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  • So where are the atheist schools...there's a zillion god indoctrination centres,can't think of a nasty atheist school

  • @sitwosaints People are only atheists because theists need to single out those who do not think as they do. Then again, this has nothing to do with the video I posted.

  • i don't believe in god but i find it funny how atheists say they hate it when the religious ppl preach and try to push there beliefs on others when many atheists do the same i say everybody just accept the other and stop wishing harm on the other because wouldn't that make u the same as the one u hate on

  • This seems to worry all creationists...

  • @pochopaz7381 they don't much like it. :-)

  • @damianpoirier I do.

  • The test of any theory is whether or not it provides answers to basic questions. Some well-meaning but misguided people think evolution is a reasonable theory to explain man’s questions about the universe. Evolution is not a good theory—it is just a pagan religion masquerading as science.

  • @SwordofSpirit1 hmm, should we discard the theory of gravity because it doesn't answer questions about who to date or how chemistry works? The ToE has answered many questions and makes accurate predictions. By your criteria, it is not just a good theory, but an excellent one.

  • @damianpoirier But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.—James 3: 13—18

  • @damianpoirier Who Cares about the Toe? Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? Let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.

    —James 3: 13—18

  • @SwordofSpirit1 "Who Cares about the Toe?"

    You might as well say "who cares about truth?"

  • @damianpoirier Too true. But you it cant be said what it is. That would be like fire trying to burn itself or trying to chew your own teeth!

  • @damianpoirier We can discard your cynicism if you want too. That I would like to see. Have a nice day. :)

  • @SwordofSpirit1 What is the theory of evolution? In other words, in your own words, what is a brief summary of the theory?

  • @Vincentaneous I don't run my questions past man, I take them in prayer before God, and through His supernatural ability; called His Holy Spirit, He enlightens me for the purpose of both my edification in Him as well as for the performance of His Kingdom work THIS side of the new Jerusalem; eternity. This would be my faith.

  • @Vincentaneous I am also not of any "religion," so I will not be getting into any sectarianism discussions or debates with you. I am a born—again Child of God, whom communes with Him daily from the Living Bible that He gave to me for this practical purpose.

  • @Vincentaneous If you would like the world's definition of the theory of evolution, I would invite you to go online to Wikipedia and look it up, just like anybody can; no pun intended. Other than that, because I've already told you whom my values are placed in (my Creator, God), I will not get into an argument about man—made scientific values, philosophies, and theories.

  • @SwordofSpirit1 I thought so.

  • @Vincentaneous Because of sin (Read the book of Romans, from the Holy Bible for sin nature definitions), many people walking this earth are really only what God calls an abomination in His sight, AND they are apostates (witches who work hard at destroying His truth so that the devil may have the simple's minds). But I am not feeble—minded.

  • @Vincentaneous I am a born—again Christian and this is where my values, beliefs, and opinions will stem from. They are biblical and I know God personally because His Spirit lives inside of me. I live and lead a holy, upright lifestyle in this evil age that is worthy of His supernatural strengths and powers within my body. Were I not reconciled to Him, this would not be the case.

  • @Vincentaneous I am against the theory of evolution, if this is what you really want to know. I know that there really is a God, there really is a Satan, there really is a heaven, and there really is a hell. The Holy Bible really is God's Sword of the Spirit that His children of the promise adhere to in this evil age.

  • @SwordofSpirit1 You do know that the pope approves of evolution? Just saying, everybody with a minimal education on the subject, religous or not, sees the evidence (which can be tested trough different experiments) and accepts it. Its a fact like gravity. You cannot deny it, the evidence is just too big. (if not convincent, read Richard Dawkins, the greatest show on earth)

  • 2/2 There really is a God of Israel, there really is a heaven, a Satan, a hell, and a judgment day. You will understand how things work if God gives you spiritual eyesight. If you keep on believing the lies that are fed to you by corporate industry, you'll be like the rest of the world. Only God can draw you, if you want to know both Him and His Kingdom works. God bless you. :)

  • @asraniel 1/2 You do know that the pope is Luciferian and that the Roman Catholic church is nothing but a high level pedophilia cover-up, right? I went to your 'channel,' and your quite young. If God draws you, ask Him about this.

  • @SwordofSpirit1 Poor blinded soul.

    Religion is for the weak.

    Your "GOD" is only a means to ease your mind.

    A means with the only intent on self-gratification.

    What's the purpose of life?

    The answer is : There is NO purpose in life.

    Someone weak, weak spirited just uses the means of a god to feel superior and the expectation of an eternal reward / an after life to overthrow the fact of the senselessness of living.

    The other purpose of Religion are Morals, with laws that's obsolete today.

  • @xSakijix I must admit that if this is your version of poetry, it is effectively piss poor. You can do better, mate.

  • @SwordofSpirit1 Poetry? I'm just telling you that you've been fucked in the head.

    On your profile you state ( copy and paste? ) your beliefs - and that YOUR belief is "still" AGNOSTIC - yet you're babbling bullshit like the Westboro Baptist Church.

    The universe can't be explained by Evolution - The universe is explained by physics. ( Attraction / Repulsion ).

    Whereas the curse of "Nature" can be explained by "Natural Selection".

    You are NOT superior even if a books tells you that.

  • @xSakijix I can tell you are another little spoiled brat who has nothing other to do than to watch tv and act like everything is all about you 24/ 7. GET A CLUE: Someone whom knows God has authority and power in the supernatural sense. And, when Truth has been shared with you and you willingly, arrogantly dismiss it as a weakness, know that you aren't rejecting me, YOU'RE REJECTING GOD. And you'll answer for it one day. YOUR POETRY IS THE WORK OF A TWO YEAR OLD!

  • @SwordofSpirit1 This is a video about evolution. Why are you discussing your preferred god here?

  • @damianpoirier Sweet Pea, "There Really Is A God." GO SEEK HIM BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE.

    Answer to your diatribe: So that you will be without excuse on Judgment Day. I LOVE YOU!!!

  • @xSakijix I'm not coming back to your bullcrap anymore. Save it for another two year old like yourself.

  • WTF is this?

  • I knew it that on every vid with a title evolution or a religious title like god,creation,adam would have a debate on it.

    lol

    If you're a creationist no matter God comes or not you're safe.

    If you're an atheist or evolutionist(I think that's similar) and God is real, you're in big trouble.

  • @kidasterorig111 Pascals Wager, one of the most compelling reasons to avoid all gods. The frequency which is brought up among the faithful indicates more about the nature of god's relationship with man than all the bibles in the world. Why worship a god that keeps itself so distance that folks are reduced to the roll of a 10,000 sided die regarding their fate? Why is gullibility so cherished? Who could worship such a god?

  • @damianpoirier I agree with you 100%! It takes more faith to believe that there is no God than it does to look around at all of the blatant proofs of this universe and its surrounding stratosphere and ADMIT that God not only exists, but that He's the Creator. The truth is, people are so caught up in mainstream society, that they don't WANT to be accountable for their Egyptian behaviors. As we probably both know: The game is up on Judgment Day.

  • @Seiku Zoo.

  • @SwordofSpirit1 You state: "It takes more faith to believe that there is no God than it does to look around at all of the blatant proofs of this universe and its surrounding stratosphere and ADMIT that God not only exists, but that He's the Creator."  If you are looking at the 'blatant proofs', then a universe with no God is more probable than a universe where God created it. Our 'blatant' theories of the universe show that God isn't in the picture.

  • @Tsla6565 YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS ATTACKING MY COMMENT THAT WAS AFFIRMING WHAT SOMEBODY ELSE IN THIS COMMUNITY SAID ABOUT THIS TOPIC AND VIDEO. You are a troll, a bully, and a troublemaker. Go pick on someone your own caliber!

  • @SwordofSpirit1 Well, I would have to defend myself that I am not a troll, since I am not trying to provoke any reaction, just trying to have a good debate is all. Although, note that you are "feeding the troll," in the sense, since if I WAS a troll, your reaction would be just what I wanted. Anyhow, I am not attempting to attack your comment, I am again just trying to have a good debate is all. Please don't be offended, I am not trying to offend you.

  • @SwordofSpirit1 What blatant proofs are those? (Note: please don't bother with arguments from incredulity)

  • @damianpoirier Do what? 8=~

  • @kidasterorig111 If there's a big invisible monster in your garage that have the ability to take over your soul when you die... YOU'RE IN BIGGGG TROUBLE!!!

  • @kidasterorig111 Well said sir! better to live your natural life in god fearing mode, than to step back and think logically about the concept of eternal life. hold on, BRB!.. ok, I'm back. God was on the phone. He said if you give me all your money, you get into a special a VIP section in heaven! I might be lying, but imagine how great it will be for you if i'm not! Cash only please, god doesn't like bounced checks.

  • @afatdutch HAahahahha....too funny. I said something exactly like that today!

  • @kidasterorig111 Ah, but what if you've picked the wrong god? Or what if there is no god, and you've devoted countless hours of your life to meaningless religious pursuit such as prayer and church, all for naught - wasted time which you could've spent doing something worthwhile - spending time with loved ones, volunteering for charity, studying science and nature to advance our technology and improve the quality of life for all mankind. All that, because you chose to believe ifna "god"...

  • @kidasterorig111 what if god doesnt take gullible people but instead rational people?

    yous in biwg trabll den!!!111

    also i hope you have googled pascals wager, you may think youre pretty smart for figuring out that its always better to believe in a god but it really isnt that easy.

  • @kidasterorig111 Might aswell join every single religion, just to make sure you're safe.

  • @kidasterorig111

    Atheist and Evolutionist are about as similar as physicist and Hindu.

  • @kidasterorig111 Amen to that, Kid! And, keep up the great work, by the way. No matter HOW they slice it, it is all the same: They deny Jesus Christ's ability to save perishing souls from eternal hell. I hope that's not too "deep," as I have redundantly been accused.

  • @kidasterorig111 Amen to that, Kid! And, keep up the great work, by the way. An atheist, agnostic, and deist are all the same in that they don't believe in the person nor the work of Jesus Christ. Atheism rejects One True God. Agnosticism and Deism teach that there is a higher power, but that it is unknowable; rejects "supernatural power," OR Spirituality OR a relationship with God in Christ Jesus.

  • creationists are mentally ill.

  • replace "antiquity" with "adequately".

  • Yes mutations create variety in species and natural selection gets rid of the weak in the species this is OBSERVED and EVIDENCED..... this is science

    But mutation and selection do not change one species into another this is NOT observed and NOT evidenced ....this is a RELIGION, a faith ,a belief..

  • What stops micro evolution? For a cell type to stop adding information it would have to have an information analyzer on board to know when it was on the road to going to far. And such a system would be larger in extent than the cell nucleus. There is no such thing in any cell ever seen. You just WANT it to stop because that feeds your need for evolution to be ridiculed. Find that mechanism and you'll have the last laugh.

  • This is how science is not a religion... There is no central idea or precept as a foundation, it is built purely through observation, experimentation and peer reviewed acceptance. It does not prescribe meaning to anything, just explanation.

    not a faith...

    Nothing in science is taken on faith and must be explained antiquity to be excepted by the scientific community.

    Not a belief...

    For the same reasons as above. It is a set of beliefs backed up by evidence and always subject to change.

  • science is most definetly not a religion but processes unobserved and unevidenced like change of species is

  • How is it a religion?

  • And evolution has been confirmed through prediction. Look up Human Chromosome 2. It's been evidenced and continues to be evidenced through and ever increasing fossil record.

  • Chromosome 2 fusion evidence merely knocks out the creationists claim that chromosome count matters. In and of itself it doesn't really indicate much about evolution(if you completely ignore the gene sequence matching that led to confirming the fusion. The sequence matches are the real evolution confirmer here). Just look into ERVs. No not at creationist websites. At actual research papers by real scientists.(this last wasn't directed at you chodaboy)

  • The significance of Chromosome 2 fusion as proof isn't that count matters. It's the fact that it was predicted before human sequencing was done.

    It was stated that if humans were closely related to chimpanzees, there had to be a fused human chromosome.

    Here is the clincher. The assumed Human Chimpanzee common origin in light of a non matching chromosome count was the only reason for such a prediction.

  • Continued...

    Creationists usually reason (wrongly) that sequences match because we were designed independently in much the same way.

    It is hard to get around the fact that we knew in advance to sequencing that there would be a fused pair as required by a common ancestry.

  • all good points. :-)

  • ERVs are remnants of failed VIRAL infection which occurred in an ancestor's SEX CELL(sperm or egg) and got propagated in its child. For many ERVs the viral insertion SITE is completely random.

    Finding one of these in the same location in two individuals indicates they each had that same ancestor.

    Humans and chimps share many of these ERVs in common in the same locations. What other conclusion can one come to?

  • This is really cool, did you program it yourself?

  • yes. thank you. You can DL the source from the link in the side bar. There's a link to the interpreter used as well. It is written in a language called EUPHORIA(semi sort of pascal/cobol type language)

  • It's a real shame you're getting all these negative comments.. Idiots who don't understand evolution at all.

    I think it's a fantastic demonstration.

  • Thanks. I thought so too. Yet part 2 really is better.

  • Fantastic!! Keep up the good work!

  • stupid thing im 13 and i dont understand what these things are

  • That's OK. At 13 you don't have to understaand everything and should be expected to. I remember how frustrating it is to be taht way because I'm still in the same position. Learning is a life long joy. Part 2 is better anotated and has better examples to view.

  • Don't let ppl patronise you, im 20 and i dont understand it, it's stupid.

  • Well WillSKB88 I'm glad that at 20 you have so much background in programming that you find this program trivial.

    oh wait.. you say you didn't understand it. Perhaps because it's not well annotated? Perhaps because the examples in this episode aren't very good?

    I directed abid1995 to part 2 because it really IS better done and better explained.

    I've only left this version up to retain the comments that were already posted.

  • Okay, sorry mate, must have been a bit peeved by that kid being patronised :P I'll check it out, I'm sure you put lots of work into it and it's good that you're willing to spend your time doing this to educate others! Take care :) W

  • Major flaw: you are directing this "evolution". Natural selection doesn't set distant goals to be met. The "goal" is always being the best survivor/reproducer for the current environment.

  • Did you read the side bar? LOL who would think to mistake this for natural selection? This mode of evolution is EXTREEMLY anatural. It is a FIXED population. There is no interplay of one population against another viaing for limited resources. This is a demo of one thing i was able to do with evolutionary software. The man point was to see if anyone would DL my code and look it over and maybe find some use in it for themselves. Where's the flaw in that? Can you write a GA that doesn't evolve?

  • Burn

  • what the hell is this? it looks like an old video game or something.

  • did you notice the "About This Video" description?

  • ...Good work, I really want to see the project evolving... maybe ill provide something similar to this in future...too few freetime...

    Keep up the good work.

  • feel free to dl the source code (link is over on the sidebar) It was writen in EUPHORIA a free opensource intepreter(Link also in the sidebar)

  • Good stuff, although a self-automated environment would be better(..or at least more entertaining) to simulate evolution, I think it's not too hard to implement random "food" appearance and let the algorithm do the rest. You can also add new Information of "spread",[a segment splits into two], so a worm could[due gene variety] become more a brunch, so he can reach more ressources at the same time,at the same number of segments..so he has to "find" an equilibrium[interesting domain of evolution]

  • Well, thank you very much for your compliment. I actually have implimented quite a few different versions of this program. I'm working on a huge simulator project involving plants animals barriers with a variety of co-existing dynamic environments and such. This particular version was started as a test of using GA to work up a path through twisty tunnels for a robotic rope controller.

  • And how does this prove evolution? to the layman?

  • did you read the side bar?

  • Yes I did. And I fail to see where evolution occurs. For instance-bacteria mutated is still bacteria; no evolution happening there. Show me where one kind of animal "mutates" into another kind of creature.

  • What do you mean no evolution is happening there? Of course it is. A change to a dna sequence may alter the protein product of that gene. The takes the genes' old protein and makes new protein. If this occurs on a primary gene the old information(for that individual) is lost. If it occurs on a copy gene(a duplicate) the original AND the new product are both produced. Howsoever the new product hinders the organism or not determines wither the gene gets amplified or not. continued...

  • all of these things have been observed. What has never been observed is ANY protein or process that tells a cell "Don't add any more new genes you're about to develope into a new species." And of course the only rebutal you'll offer is "They just can't"

    But WHY CAN'T THEY? We have all the tools necessary to discover such a protein or process if such existed. Where is it?

  • The information for a fish changing into a lizard is just not there. It was never there, therefore it (evolution)cannot, and has never happened. The Nylon eating bacteria is still bacteria. No evolution happened. You evolutionists cannot make something appear/happen that cannot. Except by trickery and deceit, and some clever artistry, and a wild imagination. The evolutionists foundation is based on suppositions and outright hoaxes. Creation is based upon Truth, Infallible Authority.

  • Are you willing to put evolution to the ultimate test?

  • I am not calling all evolutionists "nutjobs", far from it, there are many evolutionists out there that are very smart and would beat me at a debate every time. Yet God's simplistic wisdom will win out over the worlds wisest each and every time. Everyone here has a father and mother and other family members, and would be greatly hurt that someone would talk about their relatives the way that some disrespect others. No matter their status. We need to maintain a debate atmosphere;+ respect others.

  • This is not a venue for discussing god. If you can stick to the topic of evolution, fine.

    Would you like to attempt to disprove evolution?

    Let see if you can write a genetic algorithm that doesn't evolve. You've more than welcome to use my source code as a starting point if you wish although you may also wish to write your own from scratch. You choose. No cheating. You must utilise mutation and copying and not have as your selection criteria a completely random function.

  • If I cannot discuss God then I will retire.

  • Yeah to bad this program had a CREATOR.

  • perhaps you didn't notice that the enviroment computer programs operate in is engineered to ONLY work when given good instructions. Funny that you compare this to the wild and wooly world of atoms, chemicals and miriad energy landscapes.

  • You claim it's so different from the real world, yet you still use this this as evidence for punctuated equilibrium in the REAL world? Make up your mind.

  • sorry? The model is what it is. If you can not see the extent to which it parallels biological evolution is that my failure?

  • As you said, computer programs operate in is engineered to ONLY work when given good instructions. Funny that you compare this to the wild and wooly world of atoms, chemicals and miriad energy landscapes. ;) Clearly, there is no comparison.

  • Is there some aspect of my PROGRAM that you've analysed and found to be wanting? Or are you just critical of the very basis without having investigated the source code? Or is it that you HAVE looked at the code and gone "Fuck, there's nothing there that would be any different than biological evolution." and thence mearly ridicule what you think trashes your foundation?

  • All that proves is that life had to be seeded, not that it couldn't have evolved.

  • Hi IseeSugar42, You've indicated on CDK's video an interest in GA. Here i provide source code and a link to the free Euphoria interpreter used to run it. Some day I'll get around to commenting it for more useability. Meanwhile it's not the worst code in the world to use as a base for starting your own. I take special pride in the gene swapping parts and the variable (and varying) mutation rates that work to help bounce populations out of local minima (not completely natural, but very usefull)

  • Wait.. do these interpret CDK's programs or just yours?

  • Euphoria and Matlab are not related. Sorry for the confusion.

  • i have to agree with mildsauce here, it takes faith to believe in evolution. and even if i had the slightest idea of what i'm looking at here, its only a computer simulation based on someone's idea.

  • well Radel, if you please, the software is available in the about this video to the right. If you care to DL, it is text document. You can view it with any text editor/viewer. Zero chance of viral infection(despite the evolutionary nature of the program). Read the decription to the right here and tell me more about why you think it takes faith to 'believe' something so easy to understand and as obvious as evolution.

  • "It takes faith to believe in evolution."

    If you study philosophy, you will come to understand that "knowing" with complete certainty is an impossibility. The true metric of knowledge is the likelihood that your predictions are accurate. Scientific faith gets much closer to that goal than religious faith, by the simple fact that participants in the scientific process expect to be challenged.

    "Laws" of science are those principles that have withstood countless tests. Evolution is a law.

  • Nice program. Other evo sims I've seen ususally change colors to match the environment. I like the novel way of presenting it, as lines with a goal.

  • TY. You can DL the source in the about this video there's a link to it and the application i use to run it(EUPHORIA). Feel free to tinker all you like with it. It has been highly educational for me. It has taught me that dispite what one may try, evolution can not even be stopped(without busting the rules of the game)

  • as we all know DNA has informantion, well i would like to ask if there is no God where did this information come from? this would be like having a computer program to program itself, wheres the information coming from?

  • what IS information?

  • Re; DNA all we can say is information is the dna say how to make protien X.

    but why is that information?

    a trillion bacteria with a 500KBP DNA strand will mutate through just about every possible permutaion of mutations of those few basepairs. it's this population ratio you need to look at.

  • the odds of NOT finding even a partial solution amongst all those mutation is even more astronomically inconcievable.

  • DNA: Deoxyribonucleic acid. One of two types of molecules that encode genetic information.

    A nucleic acid that carries the genetic information in the cell and is capable of self-replication and synthesis of RNA. DNA consists of two long chains of nucleotides twisted into a double helix and joined by hydrogen bonds between the complementary bases adenine and thymine or cytosine and guanine. The sequence of nucleotides determines individual hereditary characteristics.

  • DNA... yes, i know all that. very VERY well. I don't have to look it up on wiki. Let's assume that I DO know what I'm talking about?

  • look man we both know that there are wholes through out the entire theory. it requires just as much faith to believe evolution as it does to believe in God

  • no, there are no holes in the ToE. It is rock solid sensable. Life doesn't make any sense without it. Life and evolution are like a square and it's sides.

  • so its rock solid sensable to belive in things that can not be proven, never witness, can not be tested or observed. sorry my friend but that is not scientific and not trying to be mean but its also ingnorat. (i am not saying creation is scientific neither one is, they both require faith)

  • leaving aside that nonmathematical things are never proven, evolution HAS been witnessed in nature in labs and actually by you just now when you watched this video.

    It has been tested repeatedly every year in thousands of universities throughout the world.

  • Morons - Evolution is a fact has been for over a century ,Creationists have a 5th grade understanding of science .Use your computer to read science web sites EDUCATE YOURSELF

  • In fact, take a program like this one here. You have RMNS with inheritace. It's impossible to make it NOT evolve. To make it not evolve you have to break the rules. That means removing the mutation or removing selection or making the inheritance go away. It works the same way in biology computers and sad to say in human brains.

  • wow thats pretty cool man i get it

  • Hearing that makes it so worth while, Thank you.

  • Read "About This Video > "

    I provide the source code for this. It's text based and not 'too' difficult to read.

  • Ah, now I get it. The longer vid description helped. Great example of a genetic algorithm.

  • Interesting program; but with all of the worms overlapping and with them being so thin it is difficult to observe anything other than punctuated equilibrium.

    Still neat though!

  • It helps to watch it FULL SCREEN mode.

    Also use of the start/stop button helps when you want to compare individuals.

  • sweet! what programming language did you use?

  • it's called euphoria. i'll make the source avialable shortly.

    euphoria is available at

    htt p://w w.rapideuphoria. com

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