Jesus taught compassion and mercy. I also noticed Jesus never brought up gay people- at all!
He did stress we treat others as we wish to be treated. Yes this religious organization definitely thinks that all their members have a golden ticket, that guarantees them a trip straight into heaven and the rest of us Christians/Catholics- who are not part of their org- are left to go to hell. Rather judgmental-totally against the teachings of Jesus!
In 2013...people GOT to drop the whole religion gig, they just GOT to! And the Denzel Washington movie was great. His character was very wise, even though he was pure evil! =D
@kasouyumi Kind of confused me at first because when you said 2013 I was thinking it was another movie. Most people are not against faith they are against legalism in the church which is being judgemental toward people. Being under legalism is being in bondage in the mind. That is going to break this year. I had a dream about children hiding. I believe the inner child that which was crushed will come out this year and dreams will take place in America again. Will start small then grow
Excellent video. As a university student studying to become a counselor in psychology, I can tell you that the "Jesus Camp" video greatly concerns me. Brainwashing and cult-like forms of manipulation and peer pressure were blatantly obvious, and those kids are none the wiser.
However, I believe they could either rebel against what they've been taught, but I also think some will continue this tradition of hate and bigotry; that's the lat thing this world needs.
Evangelicals are just a bunch of scared little children. They only know two emotions. Confusion and hate. It's because they are raised without intellect. They are actually taught to have contempt for intellectuals, which is why they know very little about anything. And why it's so frustrating to speak with them. Personally, I have know use for people who don't want to learn more and know more. Their immoral and superior egos make them stupid, unapproachable and dangerous.
man i got my first atheists tattoo a week or so ago I fill more of a whole i know sound strange but makes me more as one then ever cuz its in the open and i dont give a shit what nut bagger see's it lmao
@mossaes No srsly, I want to know what the joke was when you said: ""Or jesus and god are a gay married cpl standinstann""
Did something get cut off? that was a complete non sequitur, it was a singular post right after a paragraph about how you're for human rights and something about brainwashing. What was it in reference to?
@standinstann i was replying on the jesus is god thou jesus and the holy what not is what i was saying well what if jesus and god are a married gay cpl lol the end of the deal was like saying he was talking to him self but i was saying what if there gay lol but am atheists so im just being funny but i put the name under what i was sayin the what if to > standinstann . well human rights and human morals are good things to me to live by but i dont see how its good to teach kids bs.
To stan I allready knew this I am for human right's and human moral'sand i live life now and I thank no god (god's) for being here the idea is just silly te he lmao they do try to scare you rather then talk more about there bible they might get more brainwashing going if they went that way But i shouldnt give them pointers lol I just wish i could brainwash as many people as faith has.
@standinstann There was God the Father, who was cause and not effect then you have God the son Jesus and God the Holy Spirit, so Jesus is the son of God, kinda like when two people get married they become one but they are two separate people. I mean if Jesus was God and not God the son, he would have been crazy in the garden praying to himself.
@SuperGolfing1 That's why they call it the Holy Trinity, 3 separate persons in one indivisible persons, but regardless, my only point was, the catholic church does not teach the god 'the father' had a mother, or that Mary is a God.
@standinstann Stan I just wanted to say your videos are cool. You seem to be a very intelligent guy who likes to have dialog. Like me I like to discuss things even though some people are argumentative. I think people can agree to disagree without being disagreeable. Its nice to have someone like you to engage with instead of someone who is loosing the debate resorting to slinging personal mud. I always want to learn and always open to that, Im always willing to concede and learn as well.
Salvation - Roman Catholicism teaches that there are many ways to God other than by Salvation through Christ- good works, attitude, baptism, etc.- but God says that there is NO OTHER way than through Christ.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
@SuperGolfing1 The church calls these (or some of them anyway) "The Spiritual works of Mercy. They aren't "ways to god" (Which is a term not used as it's very generic and overly simplistic.) They are the kinds of works that we are expected to do as followers of Christ.
‘No pre-ceremonial intercourse,’ therefore, is not an absolute principle and never was considered one by Catholic moralists. Exceptions are possible when there is serious inconvenience.” (102) (Parenthesis and quote marks are those of the author of the source quoted.)
KEEPING GOD’S COMMANDMENTS They believe that when God’s commandments are too much of a “grave inconvenience” that they can be set aside.
Concerning fornication- which is sex outside of the bounds of marriage- they teach:
“... when there is a proportionately grave inconvenience, pre-ceremonial inter-course is not pre-marital intercourse, even if we take into consideration ones' ecclesial reality (i.e., that one is not yet married in the Church).
the Word of God is the fact that the Roman Catholic Church has always used a perverted version of the Bible taken from the minority manuscripts instead of from the majority manuscripts. The manuscripts from which their “Bible” is taken include many passages perverted by a man that was once ousted by even his own group as a heretic- Origen.
Is Mary really the way to God? How about part of the way to God? Is she our only ground of hope as the Catholic Church teaches?
I Tim 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Acts 4:10 & 12 :10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead...
@standinstann Sorry for writing so much, I have been able to sleep lately.
Yes, he had to have the same temptations to sin that we experience yet he never developed any propensities to sin. You can be born subject to sin without committing it.
@SuperGolfing1 Don't ever have to apologize for writing a lot. what we're talking about here is the divine being physically born, the logic of the early church was that incorruption could not pass through corruption, which is where the immaculate conception concept came from. That is the reason for that teaching, not an attempt to make Mary something on par with God. they may have been wrong, but they did have a criteria.
“To delude men and women into thinking they can also become gods.”
- Catholicism maintains that priests have the ability to forgive sins, an ability that the Bible says is reserved for God alone; and yet humans can attain to the Roman Catholic priesthood.
So its out of the bag, your Catholic and I guess and would hope your familiar with your catholic catechism. Do you know there are 5 out of 6 precepts that qualify you as Satanic. Im in a theology program and would be happy to send it to you and then tell us about it. So if the Bible shouldnt be your only resource why just throw it out. I mean if you have to go by another source to validate another is silly, just have the Papacy beliefs and dont use the Bible at all. LDS watchtower, BM, JS
I am an atheist, and this was one of the most concise and beautiful commentaries on fundamental Christianity I have seen. If more Christians took a few weeks to think about it from the perspective that you have presented, the entire religion as a whole would become an incredible force of good in the world. It's people like these radicals that spoil the batch for everyone else. They become the face and force of Christianity to the world. And it shouldn't be that way. Listen to what Jesus said.
@TheMoncheri86 I'm not sure she's a preacher of hate, but even if she were, you're saying that people who say hateful things should be killed? Or are you being hyperbolic?
@standinstann i'll put this another way: your espousal that a woman should be killed for being a preacher of hate was proceeded by the words "DIRTY FAT STUPID AMERICAN WOMAN. FUCK CHRISTIANITY!" - .... So, I ask you.
@standinstann: she's creating monsters. These poor brainwashed children will be full of hate for her fault!!!! She said to them it's right to bombing Afghanistan and Iraq, that Islam it's "the enemy" and the children pray in front of a George W Bush picture. All bullshits. She's crazy. She must be internated into psychiatric asylum or killed
@TheMoncheri86 well, she wasn't the only one who thought that going into Afganistan was the right thing to do, but putting that aside, these "monsters" have all been caught up with in recent years, and they're your typical pop evangelicals. Them turning into monsters is actually not the problem at all, the problem is - well just watch my series again. .
just saying that if lucifer is real and many like him, and them being smarter than us, and way older, probubly keeping records of us(electronicly and real-time) studing us, thinking about how to kill, slow, trap, steal, entertain, mainly destract us, and do you not think they attack the church the most, from he begining, and they were here before, and had the old so, do u not think they were setting traps back then in old? if i do remember dad said it like this, Lean not on yor own understand-
i would also say that if you read about Jesus, he was spiritual and every day life and incorporated that into his word, i am a real follower of The Christ and all those people your talking about and showing pictures of are workers of iniquity, and not followers, they are like farhaces and they are also weapons of a very real enemy combatant dubbed lucifer and hes smarter than us, mabie im casting pearls...
Most of your statements I agree with however, Evangelicals do teach salvation. Even "these people" that you refer to teach salvation. Yes they do focus on behavior but, to say that they behave good you go to heaven behave bad you go to hell is a lie. They teach salvation by grace. They just focus a lot on living holy and have a lot a the issues you taught but, to be fair a lot of altar calls was cut off in film. Might be a good ideal to talk to Becky Fischer herself about your concerns.
That's true, they do; but that never seems to be divorced from planned, deliberate attempts to change, not only the person's behavior, but the culture as a whole. I can't say based on anything in the film, or anything I've ever heard from evangelicals in general that salvation by grace is where it stops.
To your second point, I would love to talk to the woman.
Becky Fischer has a facebook page. I respect that you voice your concerns by listening, using knowledge, and logic instead of just hateful name calling. I hope you get to talk with her.
This is how I see it: 1) I do want change in my life and in society as a whole for the better. Most people want a better world. People want to make a difference. I think that desire is good. Most evangelicals have passion for a better world. That can be used for good 2) Knowledge of right and wrong along with knowledge of grace and mercy must be balanced. 3) This is where I agree with you. Focus on the heart. Behavior will change for the better when the heart is changed for the better.
@standinstann I respect that you voice your concerns without name calling. I agree with a lot of your points. You said that you would love to talk to Becky so I just wanted to let you know that she has a facebook page. Plus she wrote a book "Jesus Camp, My Story" where she talks about her side of the making of the film. Have not read the book but, I wanted to let you know. I think she would be out to talk with you because you are not name calling or sending her death threats. Yes she gets them.
@N25Jful I'm buying the book in any case! I saw an interview recently of Levi (one of the kids in the film) in the present day, and it was interesting as all hell. I can't wait to read the book. It would be really cool if either A&E did a followup, or (even better) the people them selves made their own film reflecting on the experience.
@standinstann Becky might be weary about making another film since she got so much hate mail over the film. I am so glad you have a open mind to at least hear her side of the story. I did not agree with everything in the film but, a lot of teachings in the film such as the Gifts of the Spirit is what I grew up on. If you have questions about Evangelical Pentecostal teachings which is in this film let me know.
You speak fluently and coherently through a very stressful subject. Your perswasivness was moving without falling into dramatic and garbled fits of "WHY?!?!?!?"
At first i thought you where athiest, or just against organised religion, however my respect for you only grew on learning that you are christian. Even more impressive what that you are christian and knowlagable.
It was good hearing this. most people would have suffered a mild cardiac arrest at the stupid.
So... this video is about not reading the bible for what it is, and just being jackasses, and making it mean whatever you think it should, according to what modern morality has FORCED you to comply to... Ya, I got it. This kind of stupidity just astounds me. Sorry, I'm just not very accommodating to mystical bullshit which teaches this and that disgusting buffoonery, only to have a bunch of apologists defend it as "half wrong, half right" tonight.
@a26crowez WOW.. I for one use reason, ration, and logic, rather than just affirming my allegiance to the mythical leader by repeating simplicity.
Not sure why you think that this statement of yours would mean anything at all to any reasonable person, in fact. Really, it would only help to re-affirm the delusions of already deluded people...... Ah well, if that is your goal, then I am SURE you have succeeded, so CONGRATS. Hurrah for repeating catch phrases to strengthen the already deluded.
when ever i see documentaries on religious extremism it just makes me angry at religion as a whole but as i think about the subject its not religion its the people who would use their beliefs for power and control instead of spiritual enlightenment.
I believe that you are the most intelligent person I have ever met. Seriously. I saw NO flaws in your reasoning, and I agree with you wholeheartedly. Not only that, you brought up valid points that I had never even considered. I literally agree with every word that came out of your mouth. Nice to see that there are still some intelligent people out there.
I'll admit from the beginning that I don't have as solid an understanding of the tenants/beliefs of the Roman Catholic faith as I should, so i could easily be wrong, but doesn't the RC church also try to scare people into acting a certain way to avoid hell? (although more based on believing in and worshiping Jesus than simply being moral, from what I'm told).
Christians come from pagans. The pagans killed Jesus, and the soon-to-be "Christians" preserved old Pagan beliefs such as human sacrifice and the concept of Pagan holidays such as Easter and Christmas. Not to mention Christians ARE Polythiestic because they worship more than one god. To put it in simple words Christians are Pagans...they need to just shut up and admit it.
@kasouyumi You're going to have to explain that to me, what do you mean "Christians come from pagans"? (Do you mean that the converts were ?) how are Christmas and Easter? (Are you talking about the dates that the holidays fell on?) And what do you mean they're polytheists? (are you talking about the trinity?)
@kasouyumi If God the Father is God, and God the Son is God, then you have a point as far as polytheism goes. However, since Jesus said "I can do nothing, except that which I have seen the Father do" and "If ye have seen me, ye have seen the Father" then the degree of actual difference in the Father and the Son is so infinitesimal so as to be irrelevant
@kasouyumi Saying the film focus on changing behavior not changing the heart. Said that Jesus focus on the heart of how we treat other people. When you focus on the heart people want to do right.
@kasouyumi Spirit is born again (John 3:1-21), mind is not it needs to be renewed in love (which casts out fears) and truth (which casts out lies that keep you in bondage). Have to work on renewing the mind by abiding in love and truth as much as possible. If you do not fears and lies keep you down. Evil can not touch the Spirit (true person inside) but, it can the mind (poor image of self and others) and the body (sickness, injury). Hope I am making sense.
@kasouyumi I never watched or heard about the movie Training Day. Interesting because a lot of movies talk about spiritual things now of days. I heard a sermon about this topic. I will look up the movie you are talking about. Is the saying on the movie preview if so maybe deep down I remember it on T.V. but, did not recall it. But if it is not on the movie preview then that was just a weird connection that I knew nothing about.
I like this video but i have one major problem...more then once it assumes that Evangelicals have not understood anything and theyre doing what theyre doing out of ignorance..let me give you an advice to you as a former Evangelical and esp to the Catholic Gentleman: the moment you acknowledge that what these people are doing is deliberate is the moment everything, they are ignorant, they are smart and evil...
@Megapolable In the description he says that this applies to certain, currently vocal, Evangelical groups, not Evangelicals in general. How is what they are doing not deliberate if they are smart and evil? And what do you mean by "more then once it assumes that Evangelicals have not understood anything and theyre doing what theyre doing out of ignorance"? To me that implies that it is not out of ignorance, yet you later say, "they are ignorant." I'm a bit confused.
@axiem105 oh im sorry i just noticed some words are missing oops. What I meant was that theyre not doing it out of ignorance, but because theyre evil and wicked. This is what i learned when i was among them, i was so confused as to was going on bec I used to read the bible and see the truth but what they were doing was the complete opposite. The more and more I looked and researched and spent time in prayer the more God opened my eyes to the Truth: They are not fooled
@axiem105 they are not unintelligent.theyre completely conscious of what theyre doing and they rejoice in it. They do not believe a thing of what theyre saying or teaching. In fact this movement is an atheistic movement, none of their leaders believes in God Jesus any of the Saints or the Bible etc They are what they are for one purpose and one purpose only: Deception. A Political Agenda to dominate the World and destroy the Church. Let no one fool you that its otherwise...
@Megapolable Yup, I made some spelling mistakes too.. But when I see such ignorance such as you are spewing, Satan just made me hit enter before I edited my simple typos, ROFL.
@inputverifier you are such an idiot! where in the bible does it condone behavior like this? and give me break dont answer by spewing out old testament verses, not even in the old testament brainwashing is allowed. get your facts straight, youre a liberal, good for you so am i, and the reason i abandoned faith and chose reason is specifically bec of places like this, yet why should you even ask what i believe in? you just go ahead and make assumptions and then go ahead
@Megapolable and say silly things like all christians. Im a former christian now an agnostic and even now i admit that not all christians are the same. Wake up dude! I know the Bible more then most people bec i was in a place like this, it was secretive and didnt know what they were doing. But when i found out i left immediately and later left faith and religion bec it didnt make sense at all. But even now when i look at what they did and still do and remember the bible, i cant rem
@Megapolable anything in it that condones such disgusting behavior. If you dont think then tell me why are they so secretive the evangelicals? its precisely bec they know if they open up or show what they truly believe in, nobody would believe them bec the bible speaks against their practices...
@Megapolable Than. Also, you try to state that these are not "true christians" while they in fact they actually read the book.. You however make excuses. I however, abandon silly books of superstition and ignorance. Sorry for trying to decieve you into gaining a little intelligence into believing ration, and reality, over disgusting myth and stupidity.
Religion isn't the root of all evil or all hatred. But the problem is this: The very process of faith is designed to circumvent our intellects, to set aside reason and a consideration for the evidence in our decision making. It enables otherwise good people to commit horrible atrocities. And, as if things like racial intolerance weren't bad enough, religion actually creates new reasons to hate each other. It enslaves the mind, and poisons the heart. It's time for liberation.
@Ashiman12 Doesn't it also create new reasons to love eachother?....
I wouldn't say that religion, in and of its self, is designed to circumvent our intellects. Even if there were no God, and religion were merely a bad answer to the question "why are we here?" It's still predicated upon a question. Religious 'people' might be dogmatic or intellectual, but religion its self is a stab at an intellectual issue.
@Ashiman12 More correct to say that the lack of understanding of true religion creates new reason to hate each other. How do you are argue with a statement like "Love on another as I have loved you"? Or "Love your enemies, do good to them that hate you and despitefully use you" Actually, true religion frees the mind, because a person lightened by the Spirit of the Lord sees all people as his brothers and sisters. That is the come from of True Religion.
@Ashiman12 No..PEOPLE are the root of evil...Man makes religion, but God creates the Truth and the Spirit....Follow God, and not man....There is a Big difference.
@N25Jful Good...I am glad to hear you say that. You know yourself more than anyone-We are responsible for ourselves first. Many "only" see others. We all have so much work to do within. This is where real change beings, and then we can become infectious to others. Each of us is a work in progress! I appreciate your response. Peace~
I read your accompanying remarks. What you seem to not understand is the proper way to communicate.
The net effect of your posting such a video with such a title is not correction as you seem to suggest is your desire. Rather, you perpetrate and encourage hatred of Christians and Chistianity, just like the authors of the "documentary" intended.
Correction should be taken directly to the person who needs it.
The fruit of your efforts expose the reality of the seed.
@micahharlan123 he is commenting on a documentary called "jesus camp" that indoctrinates kids for christianity. the woman in charge of the jesus camp is absolutely batshit crazy.
I'm a theist and I find the expressions on the kids faces hard to look at. And the one(s) forcing their beliefs down the kids throats better straighten themselves out or else they'll go to hell with a lot of the people they hate.
@standinstann i believe the only way you CAN spread religion is through indoctrination. be it subtly or forcefully, malicious or honest. i have my own problems with religion but im not saying that this is a negative, but it seems the only way it is spread is through social indoctrination.
@jomastretch I think we need to be kind of careful about how we define that, depending on how strongly we adhere to that kind of definition, teaching kids that racism is wrong might be construed as indoctrination. I think that the best definition os indoctrination is: the teaching of a DOCTRINE that must be adhered to merely because it's taught by an authority. that is: dogmatically, and is accompanied by a demonization of all other views and teachings.
@standinstann yes that is a very good definition. The ultimate problem of religion is its intangibility. You cannot see or experience their beliefs. Therefore too often punishment is used to enforce adherence or such devices as hell, to inspire fear. Its a shame, because i believe that if they just spread love and understanding it would be far more effective.
@jomastretch I actually don't think that the intangability is the problem, I think the problem is a distinction that Adler once made, There are people who are truly religious, and people who are merely superstitious. I think that the superstitious kind has been glorified and perpetuated in the last century far more than in the past.
@standinstann I've been thinking along a similar line - we seem to be living in a strangely superstitious sort of age where we clutch onto totems that we either don't understand or don't really work. It's interesting, especially because - as in every age there ever was and will be - we don't tend to see ourselves as such.
@georgiewilliam You lie. If you wanted to get along with everyone, you wouldn't post a message that insults hundreds and hundreds of millions of people.
@BludBaut Though he may not be doing so with the gracefulness necessary to please those in support of religion, he is telling the truth. Today's forms of organized religion have too many flaws to be recognized as sources of information that are to be regarded with vailidity. That being said, religion also gives hope, however true or false it may or may not be, and inspiration to those who need it. Organized religion comes with somewhat of an abandonment of logic, but it is sometimes worth it.
@axiem105 You think you have wisdom but what I said was fact. If you really have wisdom, then how did you miss my point?
Organized religion is not the savior of the world; Jesus is, but while most organized religion is a hindrance to the truth, georgiewilliam is an outright enemy of God and wants to be because he is deceived by the devil.
You could benefit from hearing God. To do that, you should spend considerable time in His Book crying out to Him for illumination and revelation.
Children DO NOT have critival faculties. They take things literally. Nobody shall have the right to teach them anything doing with any philosophy. Complex questions demand developed consciousness. When kids grow up they will make their choice whether to embrace some philosophical doctrine or not.
@PopBogomil So we shouldn't teach them to respect others, not to take things that belong to other people? We shouldn't utter the words "don't judge a book by its cover", as that is a "philosophy"?
@standinstann These are rules for proper behaviour in society. They aren't great wisdoms. They shouldn't of course be connected to any religion. What after all does moral has to do with religion? The fact that the best that people find in a religion are these great "truths" shows that the aim of religion is rather different than being a moral guide.
@PopBogomil That wasn't your point, you said that we shouldn't teach kids to embrace a philosophical doctrine, now it seems that you're against teaching kids to embrace, specifically, a "religious" philosophical doctrine. to which I can only ask, why not? that's a far cry from what we saw in this documentary. Not all religious instruction is brainwashing, and not all religious upbringings are rigid and dogmatic.
@standinstann Yes, I'm against teaching them any philosophical doctrine, not only religious one. Why not - because it moulds their behaivor in a desired way. Young 5-13 year old children take all things literally, they can't think in abstract terms. They can't doubt what the're told, especially by a figure of authority. My experience has shown that almost all religious people are full of fears and superstitions because of "spiritual" experiences in their childhood.
And after all what's the point in teaching kids a philosophy that is dubiously moral and offers unscientific rendition of the world? Religion mixes proper social ethics with things like total obedience to any form of power and fear of hellfire.
@PopBogomil I can't personally speak to your last point because I wasn't raised in a religious household. What I can tell you is that my experience has shown that almost all people in general have fears and quirks from there childhood. Obviously nobody is for teaching kids a philosophy that is dubiously moral, but as for an unscientific rendition of the world, that doesn't necessarily come with the territory. It depends on whether the teacher is truly religious or merely superstitious. (cont
@PopBogomil In fact children tend to think only in abstract terms. Make believe, learning by analogy, these are all a big part of the development process, and they can certainly doubt what they're told. Take for example the phase where the answer to every question provokes the question "why?". What's more, you said you weren't against teaching kids a philosophical doctrine, so long as it had a materialistic basis.
woa, i was not expecting to find a video like this. Standinstann, can you teach other theists to be like you? thanks man, it will minimize the amount of unbelievable stupidity atheists have to deal with.
Finally another like me who understands basic history of our faith. These evangelicals know nothing about the gospels and why we have 4. I bet if you ask the evangelicals about the beattitudes they will be dumbfunded.
If you notice many of these photos with religious characters, such as Jesus himself, have a sun behind him. This is rather interesting. If anyone here knows about the origins of religion, these photos can be quite revealing.
Most religions, if not all, hold an ancient belief, based on the constellations. If you want to know more, study the work of D.M.Murdoch. Also watch zeitgeist: The greatest story ever told. This video is based on her work, and available for free on YouTube.
@markusboyd3 Be very careful with these "Webumentaries" Particularly zeitgeist; that movie (as well as the beginning of "the God who wasn't there") doesn't know what its talking about.
It is nice to see a reasonable religious person that criticizes the negatives of religion. Most religios people I encounter are either completely ignorant of the subject, or they stupidly support the negatives.
I'd like to point out that theology, or more accurately, "mystery" is at the far end of both spectrums. Where science ends, mystery begins, and where philosophy ends, mystery begins. There are some things that philosophy and science both CAN'T explain, and a combination of our understanding and LACK of understanding of "the infinite", is where theology seems to begin. What caused the big bang? What came before it? There's still many mysteries where "the infinite" is a substitute for "God".
@Bassbait Yes, that is why theology is in conflict with science and philosophy. Religions don't use "mysterys" they give "answers." "God did it" "God made it so" "Its according to Gods plan" When science or philosophy comes to a new understanding theologies "answers" are pushed back and some of its power is lost. Theologies have been fighting the advancement of understanding for as long as they have existed. How can holding on to Theology be a good thing?
Very well said and yes, I am an atheist. It is an absolute shame that thoughtful, peaceful Christians like yourself have to get caught in the crossfire.
Finally, a reasonable, moderate Chrsitian with a good critique of Evangelical Christianity. Most other reviewers I've seen were billigerent atheists who lump moderate, normal Christians like you and me in with the crazies like them.
these people are sick I am a christain and personally I know my peoples history and I belive that what this people are doing is flase teachings and flase prophecy which is mentioned in revelations this is dangerous and it should never be followed
The Vatican, according to this Third Secret of Fatima will be destroyed on August 17, 2011. The Dogma, the Trinity, has been replaced with the Masonic Trinity. The documents that prove the change from Our Lady, Our Lord and God Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost (the real Father) into the Lord Father/coming Lord Jesus/Holy Spirit are on FATIMAMOVEMENT d o t c o m
The Illuminati have essentially changed the three keys to heaven and humanity allowed it. The punishment from heaven is imminent.
the concept of hell is a cruel illusion, bestowed on the weak and children in order to brain-wash them and control them. Why does the church have so many misfits as part of its congregation? Why is this bullshit peddled in as many schools and colleges as possible? It is in order to programme the developing mind before it is able to see through the thin veneer and lies that the church exists ONLY to further its own profits. That. my friends, is all it amounts to. Sorry if you bought into it.
yeah, right, and you're not yelling "false prophet" right now? as if! i believe the bible, and i am part of the church of God in Christ. if i were to curse evangelicals and call them "stupid", i'd be no better than you or the theologians! that would be bigoted and abusive as well!
This is sad... They tried to fucking convert me ( catholic). After that they told me that if I don't believe like they do. IM going to hell. Honestly I question my religion. But my religion I have a connection.. I am a helper of jesus.. He died on the cross and I should Pay back the favour, in a way..I try to understand all religions.. but this is not a religion.. this is .. the devils religion..
Well... if you know so much about the early Christians then you know that they basically split from Judaism - and what they criticized about the Judaism at that time is pretty much the same you are criticizing about those Jesus Camp guys...
If Jesus exists and if he where to come back (which i seriously doubt) then he would probably criticize them like he criticized the corruption of Judaism. So they would attack him, label him a charlatan and have him burned at the stake or something (-:
Jesus taught compassion and mercy. I also noticed Jesus never brought up gay people- at all!
He did stress we treat others as we wish to be treated. Yes this religious organization definitely thinks that all their members have a golden ticket, that guarantees them a trip straight into heaven and the rest of us Christians/Catholics- who are not part of their org- are left to go to hell. Rather judgmental-totally against the teachings of Jesus!
TheSicilianSisters 1 day ago
As for the lack of knowledge?Ignorance is bliss ,I guess..... How pathetic.
TheSicilianSisters 1 day ago
THANKYOU! great to see this on youtube
Noahrama 3 days ago
Woah that guy said exactly what I was thinking
7563able 4 days ago
it's like they think they still live in biblical times.
LilTom895 5 days ago
@LilTom895 Its the church age because Revelations has not happen yet.
N25Jful 2 days ago
@N25Jful
In 2013...people GOT to drop the whole religion gig, they just GOT to! And the Denzel Washington movie was great. His character was very wise, even though he was pure evil! =D
kasouyumi 2 days ago
@kasouyumi Kind of confused me at first because when you said 2013 I was thinking it was another movie. Most people are not against faith they are against legalism in the church which is being judgemental toward people. Being under legalism is being in bondage in the mind. That is going to break this year. I had a dream about children hiding. I believe the inner child that which was crushed will come out this year and dreams will take place in America again. Will start small then grow
N25Jful 2 days ago
@N25Jful ...LOL! You dream about children? Fucking pervert.
AnimeLuver1981 1 day ago
Excellent video. As a university student studying to become a counselor in psychology, I can tell you that the "Jesus Camp" video greatly concerns me. Brainwashing and cult-like forms of manipulation and peer pressure were blatantly obvious, and those kids are none the wiser.
However, I believe they could either rebel against what they've been taught, but I also think some will continue this tradition of hate and bigotry; that's the lat thing this world needs.
SqueakyIri 1 week ago
It's a cult.
mysterytalents 2 weeks ago
Evangelicals are just a bunch of scared little children. They only know two emotions. Confusion and hate. It's because they are raised without intellect. They are actually taught to have contempt for intellectuals, which is why they know very little about anything. And why it's so frustrating to speak with them. Personally, I have know use for people who don't want to learn more and know more. Their immoral and superior egos make them stupid, unapproachable and dangerous.
fatouche99 2 weeks ago
man i got my first atheists tattoo a week or so ago I fill more of a whole i know sound strange but makes me more as one then ever cuz its in the open and i dont give a shit what nut bagger see's it lmao
mossaes 2 weeks ago
the bibles of brainwashing are the joke and people buy all the time
mossaes 2 weeks ago 3
@mossaes No srsly, I want to know what the joke was when you said: ""Or jesus and god are a gay married cpl standinstann""
Did something get cut off? that was a complete non sequitur, it was a singular post right after a paragraph about how you're for human rights and something about brainwashing. What was it in reference to?
standinstann 2 weeks ago 2
@standinstann i was replying on the jesus is god thou jesus and the holy what not is what i was saying well what if jesus and god are a married gay cpl lol the end of the deal was like saying he was talking to him self but i was saying what if there gay lol but am atheists so im just being funny but i put the name under what i was sayin the what if to > standinstann . well human rights and human morals are good things to me to live by but i dont see how its good to teach kids bs.
mossaes 2 weeks ago
@mossaes Okay what I've been able to decipher from the above is that you were making a joke about the holy trinity, did I get that right?
standinstann 2 weeks ago
Or jesus and god are a gay married cpl standinstann
mossaes 2 weeks ago
@mossaes ???? a punchline without a joke?
standinstann 2 weeks ago
To stan I allready knew this I am for human right's and human moral'sand i live life now and I thank no god (god's) for being here the idea is just silly te he lmao they do try to scare you rather then talk more about there bible they might get more brainwashing going if they went that way But i shouldnt give them pointers lol I just wish i could brainwash as many people as faith has.
mossaes 2 weeks ago
ACCORDING TO ROMAN CATHOLIC TEACHINGS:
God had a mother - Mary is called, literally, “... the mother of God,” (2)
SuperGolfing1 2 weeks ago
@SuperGolfing1 Yes, Jesus, who was God, had a mother; her name was Mary. God the father, did not have a mother.
standinstann 2 weeks ago
@standinstann There was God the Father, who was cause and not effect then you have God the son Jesus and God the Holy Spirit, so Jesus is the son of God, kinda like when two people get married they become one but they are two separate people. I mean if Jesus was God and not God the son, he would have been crazy in the garden praying to himself.
SuperGolfing1 2 weeks ago
@SuperGolfing1 That's why they call it the Holy Trinity, 3 separate persons in one indivisible persons, but regardless, my only point was, the catholic church does not teach the god 'the father' had a mother, or that Mary is a God.
standinstann 2 weeks ago
@standinstann Stan I just wanted to say your videos are cool. You seem to be a very intelligent guy who likes to have dialog. Like me I like to discuss things even though some people are argumentative. I think people can agree to disagree without being disagreeable. Its nice to have someone like you to engage with instead of someone who is loosing the debate resorting to slinging personal mud. I always want to learn and always open to that, Im always willing to concede and learn as well.
SuperGolfing1 2 weeks ago
Also: Ro 10:13; Jn 3:16-17; 10:9; Acts 2:21; 15:11; 16:13.
These and a hundred other scriptures tell us that Jesus is the ONLY WAY to be saved.
SuperGolfing1 2 weeks ago
Salvation - Roman Catholicism teaches that there are many ways to God other than by Salvation through Christ- good works, attitude, baptism, etc.- but God says that there is NO OTHER way than through Christ.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
SuperGolfing1 2 weeks ago
@SuperGolfing1 The church calls these (or some of them anyway) "The Spiritual works of Mercy. They aren't "ways to god" (Which is a term not used as it's very generic and overly simplistic.) They are the kinds of works that we are expected to do as followers of Christ.
standinstann 2 weeks ago
‘No pre-ceremonial intercourse,’ therefore, is not an absolute principle and never was considered one by Catholic moralists. Exceptions are possible when there is serious inconvenience.” (102) (Parenthesis and quote marks are those of the author of the source quoted.)
SuperGolfing1 2 weeks ago
KEEPING GOD’S COMMANDMENTS They believe that when God’s commandments are too much of a “grave inconvenience” that they can be set aside.
Concerning fornication- which is sex outside of the bounds of marriage- they teach:
“... when there is a proportionately grave inconvenience, pre-ceremonial inter-course is not pre-marital intercourse, even if we take into consideration ones' ecclesial reality (i.e., that one is not yet married in the Church).
SuperGolfing1 2 weeks ago
the Word of God is the fact that the Roman Catholic Church has always used a perverted version of the Bible taken from the minority manuscripts instead of from the majority manuscripts. The manuscripts from which their “Bible” is taken include many passages perverted by a man that was once ousted by even his own group as a heretic- Origen.
SuperGolfing1 2 weeks ago
Is Mary really the way to God? How about part of the way to God? Is she our only ground of hope as the Catholic Church teaches?
I Tim 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Acts 4:10 & 12 :10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead...
SuperGolfing1 2 weeks ago
Mary
1. Was she sinless as the Catholics proclaim?
Ro 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God .
SuperGolfing1 2 weeks ago
@SuperGolfing1 You said (and wow, you really wrote a book here, and that's good): ""Mary
1. Was she sinless as the Catholics proclaim?
Ro 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God ""
Can God be born of a vessel that bares the stain of original sin?
standinstann 2 weeks ago
@standinstann Sorry for writing so much, I have been able to sleep lately.
Yes, he had to have the same temptations to sin that we experience yet he never developed any propensities to sin. You can be born subject to sin without committing it.
SuperGolfing1 2 weeks ago
@SuperGolfing1 Don't ever have to apologize for writing a lot. what we're talking about here is the divine being physically born, the logic of the early church was that incorruption could not pass through corruption, which is where the immaculate conception concept came from. That is the reason for that teaching, not an attempt to make Mary something on par with God. they may have been wrong, but they did have a criteria.
standinstann 2 weeks ago
THE BIBLE- The Roman Catholic teachings on the Bible are that:
“[It] alone is not a competent or safe guide to a correct understanding of all the teachings of the Christian religion.” (37)
They also teach that any interpretation of it must meet the judgment of the Roman Church.
SuperGolfing1 2 weeks ago
“To delude men and women into thinking they can also become gods.”
- Catholicism maintains that priests have the ability to forgive sins, an ability that the Bible says is reserved for God alone; and yet humans can attain to the Roman Catholic priesthood.
SuperGolfing1 2 weeks ago
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So its out of the bag, your Catholic and I guess and would hope your familiar with your catholic catechism. Do you know there are 5 out of 6 precepts that qualify you as Satanic. Im in a theology program and would be happy to send it to you and then tell us about it. So if the Bible shouldnt be your only resource why just throw it out. I mean if you have to go by another source to validate another is silly, just have the Papacy beliefs and dont use the Bible at all. LDS watchtower, BM, JS
SuperGolfing1 2 weeks ago
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SuperGolfing1 2 weeks ago
I am an atheist, and this was one of the most concise and beautiful commentaries on fundamental Christianity I have seen. If more Christians took a few weeks to think about it from the perspective that you have presented, the entire religion as a whole would become an incredible force of good in the world. It's people like these radicals that spoil the batch for everyone else. They become the face and force of Christianity to the world. And it shouldn't be that way. Listen to what Jesus said.
PaperPilgrim 2 weeks ago
you're crazy fat ass bitch!
MySerggi 2 weeks ago
BECKY FISCHER SHOULD BE KILLED. DIRTY FAT STUPID AMERICAN WOMAN. FUCK CHRISTIANITY!
TheMoncheri86 3 weeks ago
@TheMoncheri86 For what?
standinstann 3 weeks ago
@standinstann: because she's a preacher of HATE. She vomits bullshits. Only Americans can be so stupid
TheMoncheri86 3 weeks ago
@TheMoncheri86 I'm not sure she's a preacher of hate, but even if she were, you're saying that people who say hateful things should be killed? Or are you being hyperbolic?
standinstann 3 weeks ago
@standinstann i'll put this another way: your espousal that a woman should be killed for being a preacher of hate was proceeded by the words "DIRTY FAT STUPID AMERICAN WOMAN. FUCK CHRISTIANITY!" - .... So, I ask you.
standinstann 3 weeks ago
@standinstann: she's creating monsters. These poor brainwashed children will be full of hate for her fault!!!! She said to them it's right to bombing Afghanistan and Iraq, that Islam it's "the enemy" and the children pray in front of a George W Bush picture. All bullshits. She's crazy. She must be internated into psychiatric asylum or killed
TheMoncheri86 2 weeks ago
@TheMoncheri86 well, she wasn't the only one who thought that going into Afganistan was the right thing to do, but putting that aside, these "monsters" have all been caught up with in recent years, and they're your typical pop evangelicals. Them turning into monsters is actually not the problem at all, the problem is - well just watch my series again. .
standinstann 2 weeks ago
@TheMoncheri86 she isnt a preacher trust me, attention seeker um, yes
SuperGolfing1 2 weeks ago
just saying that if lucifer is real and many like him, and them being smarter than us, and way older, probubly keeping records of us(electronicly and real-time) studing us, thinking about how to kill, slow, trap, steal, entertain, mainly destract us, and do you not think they attack the church the most, from he begining, and they were here before, and had the old so, do u not think they were setting traps back then in old? if i do remember dad said it like this, Lean not on yor own understand-
sunshine25801 1 month ago
i would also say that if you read about Jesus, he was spiritual and every day life and incorporated that into his word, i am a real follower of The Christ and all those people your talking about and showing pictures of are workers of iniquity, and not followers, they are like farhaces and they are also weapons of a very real enemy combatant dubbed lucifer and hes smarter than us, mabie im casting pearls...
sunshine25801 1 month ago
well the eairly cathloic church pics u showed is not in the word, but we hold jesus and moses rct. with vaalue
sunshine25801 1 month ago
Most of your statements I agree with however, Evangelicals do teach salvation. Even "these people" that you refer to teach salvation. Yes they do focus on behavior but, to say that they behave good you go to heaven behave bad you go to hell is a lie. They teach salvation by grace. They just focus a lot on living holy and have a lot a the issues you taught but, to be fair a lot of altar calls was cut off in film. Might be a good ideal to talk to Becky Fischer herself about your concerns.
N25Jful 1 month ago
@N25Jful
That's true, they do; but that never seems to be divorced from planned, deliberate attempts to change, not only the person's behavior, but the culture as a whole. I can't say based on anything in the film, or anything I've ever heard from evangelicals in general that salvation by grace is where it stops.
To your second point, I would love to talk to the woman.
standinstann 1 month ago
Becky Fischer has a facebook page. I respect that you voice your concerns by listening, using knowledge, and logic instead of just hateful name calling. I hope you get to talk with her.
N25Jful 4 weeks ago
This is how I see it: 1) I do want change in my life and in society as a whole for the better. Most people want a better world. People want to make a difference. I think that desire is good. Most evangelicals have passion for a better world. That can be used for good 2) Knowledge of right and wrong along with knowledge of grace and mercy must be balanced. 3) This is where I agree with you. Focus on the heart. Behavior will change for the better when the heart is changed for the better.
N25Jful 4 weeks ago
@standinstann I respect that you voice your concerns without name calling. I agree with a lot of your points. You said that you would love to talk to Becky so I just wanted to let you know that she has a facebook page. Plus she wrote a book "Jesus Camp, My Story" where she talks about her side of the making of the film. Have not read the book but, I wanted to let you know. I think she would be out to talk with you because you are not name calling or sending her death threats. Yes she gets them.
N25Jful 2 weeks ago
@N25Jful I'm buying the book in any case! I saw an interview recently of Levi (one of the kids in the film) in the present day, and it was interesting as all hell. I can't wait to read the book. It would be really cool if either A&E did a followup, or (even better) the people them selves made their own film reflecting on the experience.
standinstann 2 weeks ago
@standinstann Becky might be weary about making another film since she got so much hate mail over the film. I am so glad you have a open mind to at least hear her side of the story. I did not agree with everything in the film but, a lot of teachings in the film such as the Gifts of the Spirit is what I grew up on. If you have questions about Evangelical Pentecostal teachings which is in this film let me know.
N25Jful 1 week ago
you spelled mercy wrong
898samtheman 1 month ago
You speak fluently and coherently through a very stressful subject. Your perswasivness was moving without falling into dramatic and garbled fits of "WHY?!?!?!?"
At first i thought you where athiest, or just against organised religion, however my respect for you only grew on learning that you are christian. Even more impressive what that you are christian and knowlagable.
It was good hearing this. most people would have suffered a mild cardiac arrest at the stupid.
legolasisagirl 1 month ago
DUDE, you are using words TOOO BIG for Christians to understand.
kg062007 1 month ago
fuck!...god made her?
euroman32589 1 month ago
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euroman32589 1 month ago
So... this video is about not reading the bible for what it is, and just being jackasses, and making it mean whatever you think it should, according to what modern morality has FORCED you to comply to... Ya, I got it. This kind of stupidity just astounds me. Sorry, I'm just not very accommodating to mystical bullshit which teaches this and that disgusting buffoonery, only to have a bunch of apologists defend it as "half wrong, half right" tonight.
inputverifier 1 month ago
@inputverifier
I don't understand the first part of your comment: what do you mean: "according to what modern morality has FORCED you to comply to"?
standinstann 1 month ago
I LOVE JESUS my god,my maker,who made heaven and earth, i know he will come again,jesus i love you,i need you, aman
a26crowez 1 month ago
@a26crowez WOW.. I for one use reason, ration, and logic, rather than just affirming my allegiance to the mythical leader by repeating simplicity.
Not sure why you think that this statement of yours would mean anything at all to any reasonable person, in fact. Really, it would only help to re-affirm the delusions of already deluded people...... Ah well, if that is your goal, then I am SURE you have succeeded, so CONGRATS. Hurrah for repeating catch phrases to strengthen the already deluded.
inputverifier 1 month ago
when ever i see documentaries on religious extremism it just makes me angry at religion as a whole but as i think about the subject its not religion its the people who would use their beliefs for power and control instead of spiritual enlightenment.
EATHER2468 1 month ago
I believe that you are the most intelligent person I have ever met. Seriously. I saw NO flaws in your reasoning, and I agree with you wholeheartedly. Not only that, you brought up valid points that I had never even considered. I literally agree with every word that came out of your mouth. Nice to see that there are still some intelligent people out there.
axiem105 2 months ago
I'll admit from the beginning that I don't have as solid an understanding of the tenants/beliefs of the Roman Catholic faith as I should, so i could easily be wrong, but doesn't the RC church also try to scare people into acting a certain way to avoid hell? (although more based on believing in and worshiping Jesus than simply being moral, from what I'm told).
talionyzero 2 months ago
Christians come from pagans. The pagans killed Jesus, and the soon-to-be "Christians" preserved old Pagan beliefs such as human sacrifice and the concept of Pagan holidays such as Easter and Christmas. Not to mention Christians ARE Polythiestic because they worship more than one god. To put it in simple words Christians are Pagans...they need to just shut up and admit it.
kasouyumi 2 months ago
@kasouyumi You're going to have to explain that to me, what do you mean "Christians come from pagans"? (Do you mean that the converts were ?) how are Christmas and Easter? (Are you talking about the dates that the holidays fell on?) And what do you mean they're polytheists? (are you talking about the trinity?)
standinstann 2 months ago
@standinstann
Let me message my theories 2 u
kasouyumi 2 months ago
@kasouyumi If God the Father is God, and God the Son is God, then you have a point as far as polytheism goes. However, since Jesus said "I can do nothing, except that which I have seen the Father do" and "If ye have seen me, ye have seen the Father" then the degree of actual difference in the Father and the Son is so infinitesimal so as to be irrelevant
bomac10000 1 month ago
@bomac10000
Please translate his words in modern day english.
kasouyumi 1 month ago
@kasouyumi Saying the film focus on changing behavior not changing the heart. Said that Jesus focus on the heart of how we treat other people. When you focus on the heart people want to do right.
N25Jful 1 week ago
@N25Jful
Cool. Let me tell you, what Jesus said wasn't bad, it's just impossible.
kasouyumi 1 week ago
@kasouyumi Spirit is born again (John 3:1-21), mind is not it needs to be renewed in love (which casts out fears) and truth (which casts out lies that keep you in bondage). Have to work on renewing the mind by abiding in love and truth as much as possible. If you do not fears and lies keep you down. Evil can not touch the Spirit (true person inside) but, it can the mind (poor image of self and others) and the body (sickness, injury). Hope I am making sense.
N25Jful 1 week ago
@N25Jful
You got that from that Denzel Washington movie called Training Day.
kasouyumi 1 week ago
@kasouyumi I never watched or heard about the movie Training Day. Interesting because a lot of movies talk about spiritual things now of days. I heard a sermon about this topic. I will look up the movie you are talking about. Is the saying on the movie preview if so maybe deep down I remember it on T.V. but, did not recall it. But if it is not on the movie preview then that was just a weird connection that I knew nothing about.
N25Jful 2 days ago
I like this video but i have one major problem...more then once it assumes that Evangelicals have not understood anything and theyre doing what theyre doing out of ignorance..let me give you an advice to you as a former Evangelical and esp to the Catholic Gentleman: the moment you acknowledge that what these people are doing is deliberate is the moment everything, they are ignorant, they are smart and evil...
Megapolable 2 months ago
@Megapolable In the description he says that this applies to certain, currently vocal, Evangelical groups, not Evangelicals in general. How is what they are doing not deliberate if they are smart and evil? And what do you mean by "more then once it assumes that Evangelicals have not understood anything and theyre doing what theyre doing out of ignorance"? To me that implies that it is not out of ignorance, yet you later say, "they are ignorant." I'm a bit confused.
axiem105 2 months ago
@axiem105 oh im sorry i just noticed some words are missing oops. What I meant was that theyre not doing it out of ignorance, but because theyre evil and wicked. This is what i learned when i was among them, i was so confused as to was going on bec I used to read the bible and see the truth but what they were doing was the complete opposite. The more and more I looked and researched and spent time in prayer the more God opened my eyes to the Truth: They are not fooled
Megapolable 1 month ago
@axiem105 they are not unintelligent.theyre completely conscious of what theyre doing and they rejoice in it. They do not believe a thing of what theyre saying or teaching. In fact this movement is an atheistic movement, none of their leaders believes in God Jesus any of the Saints or the Bible etc They are what they are for one purpose and one purpose only: Deception. A Political Agenda to dominate the World and destroy the Church. Let no one fool you that its otherwise...
Megapolable 1 month ago
@Megapolable Yup, I made some spelling mistakes too.. But when I see such ignorance such as you are spewing, Satan just made me hit enter before I edited my simple typos, ROFL.
inputverifier 1 month ago
@inputverifier you are such an idiot! where in the bible does it condone behavior like this? and give me break dont answer by spewing out old testament verses, not even in the old testament brainwashing is allowed. get your facts straight, youre a liberal, good for you so am i, and the reason i abandoned faith and chose reason is specifically bec of places like this, yet why should you even ask what i believe in? you just go ahead and make assumptions and then go ahead
Megapolable 1 month ago
@Megapolable and say silly things like all christians. Im a former christian now an agnostic and even now i admit that not all christians are the same. Wake up dude! I know the Bible more then most people bec i was in a place like this, it was secretive and didnt know what they were doing. But when i found out i left immediately and later left faith and religion bec it didnt make sense at all. But even now when i look at what they did and still do and remember the bible, i cant rem
Megapolable 1 month ago
@Megapolable anything in it that condones such disgusting behavior. If you dont think then tell me why are they so secretive the evangelicals? its precisely bec they know if they open up or show what they truly believe in, nobody would believe them bec the bible speaks against their practices...
Megapolable 1 month ago
@axiem105 and this is precisely why its the most dangerous thing in the world today, much more subtle and much more deceptive then Extreme Islam
Megapolable 1 month ago
@Megapolable Than. Also, you try to state that these are not "true christians" while they in fact they actually read the book.. You however make excuses. I however, abandon silly books of superstition and ignorance. Sorry for trying to decieve you into gaining a little intelligence into believing ration, and reality, over disgusting myth and stupidity.
inputverifier 1 month ago
Religion isn't the root of all evil or all hatred. But the problem is this: The very process of faith is designed to circumvent our intellects, to set aside reason and a consideration for the evidence in our decision making. It enables otherwise good people to commit horrible atrocities. And, as if things like racial intolerance weren't bad enough, religion actually creates new reasons to hate each other. It enslaves the mind, and poisons the heart. It's time for liberation.
Ashiman12 2 months ago
@Ashiman12 Doesn't it also create new reasons to love eachother?....
I wouldn't say that religion, in and of its self, is designed to circumvent our intellects. Even if there were no God, and religion were merely a bad answer to the question "why are we here?" It's still predicated upon a question. Religious 'people' might be dogmatic or intellectual, but religion its self is a stab at an intellectual issue.
standinstann 2 months ago
@Ashiman12 More correct to say that the lack of understanding of true religion creates new reason to hate each other. How do you are argue with a statement like "Love on another as I have loved you"? Or "Love your enemies, do good to them that hate you and despitefully use you" Actually, true religion frees the mind, because a person lightened by the Spirit of the Lord sees all people as his brothers and sisters. That is the come from of True Religion.
bomac10000 1 month ago
@Ashiman12 No..PEOPLE are the root of evil...Man makes religion, but God creates the Truth and the Spirit....Follow God, and not man....There is a Big difference.
Speakwisely1st 1 month ago
@Speakwisely1st I am not the root of evil. I am forgiven by God. I refuse to put myself down like that.
N25Jful 3 weeks ago
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Speakwisely1st 3 weeks ago
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@N25Jful Good...I am glad to hear you say that. You know yourself more than anyone-We are responsible for ourselves first. Many "only" see others. We all have so much work to do within. This is where real change beings, and then we can become infectious to others. Each of us is a work in progress! I appreciate your response. Peace~
Speakwisely1st 3 weeks ago
I read your accompanying remarks. What you seem to not understand is the proper way to communicate.
The net effect of your posting such a video with such a title is not correction as you seem to suggest is your desire. Rather, you perpetrate and encourage hatred of Christians and Chistianity, just like the authors of the "documentary" intended.
Correction should be taken directly to the person who needs it.
The fruit of your efforts expose the reality of the seed.
BludBaut 2 months ago
why does it matter what the muslims are doing?
Tamar16100 2 months ago
Where's part 1? :S
Seldomsleeper 3 months ago
what a well thought out commentary. nice job
mebe84 3 months ago
Can someone explain this to me in a nutshell?? Its so confusing!!!! Is it about teaching kids to worship the devil or something??!!
micahharlan123 3 months ago
@micahharlan123 he is commenting on a documentary called "jesus camp" that indoctrinates kids for christianity. the woman in charge of the jesus camp is absolutely batshit crazy.
mebe84 3 months ago 4
@mebe84
Batshit? No, she's BEYOND batshit. Certifiably executable? Sure.
Straif5 2 months ago
i do like this video a lot. You're so clever, its just so...true, what you say.
redace903 3 months ago
Just an idea that occurred to me - do you think you could put these videos on a playlist? It would just make for easier navigation!
Thanks and keep up the good work!
Sapphonouveau 3 months ago
The problem is you are seeing or living a religion and not a relationship with God and the Holy Spirit.
sgcaropik 3 months ago
@sgcaropik was that directed at me?
standinstann 3 months ago
Excellent.
BlackLabelSlushie 4 months ago
1:39
Lol, that's my version of the Bible! That's the Catholic Douay-Rheims edition!
colliric 4 months ago
I'm a theist and I find the expressions on the kids faces hard to look at. And the one(s) forcing their beliefs down the kids throats better straighten themselves out or else they'll go to hell with a lot of the people they hate.
MetaKnight964 4 months ago
oh hell, spare the politically correct comments. most musilms DO indoctrinate their children.
amyyyamy 4 months ago
@amyyyamy And you're basing that on..... what?
standinstann 4 months ago
@standinstann i believe the only way you CAN spread religion is through indoctrination. be it subtly or forcefully, malicious or honest. i have my own problems with religion but im not saying that this is a negative, but it seems the only way it is spread is through social indoctrination.
jomastretch 4 months ago
@jomastretch How do you define "Indoctrination"?
standinstann 4 months ago
@standinstann I guess just teaching them to think in a certain way, but threatening punishment or at least negative social attitudes.
jomastretch 4 months ago
@jomastretch I think we need to be kind of careful about how we define that, depending on how strongly we adhere to that kind of definition, teaching kids that racism is wrong might be construed as indoctrination. I think that the best definition os indoctrination is: the teaching of a DOCTRINE that must be adhered to merely because it's taught by an authority. that is: dogmatically, and is accompanied by a demonization of all other views and teachings.
standinstann 4 months ago
@standinstann yes that is a very good definition. The ultimate problem of religion is its intangibility. You cannot see or experience their beliefs. Therefore too often punishment is used to enforce adherence or such devices as hell, to inspire fear. Its a shame, because i believe that if they just spread love and understanding it would be far more effective.
jomastretch 4 months ago
@jomastretch I actually don't think that the intangability is the problem, I think the problem is a distinction that Adler once made, There are people who are truly religious, and people who are merely superstitious. I think that the superstitious kind has been glorified and perpetuated in the last century far more than in the past.
standinstann 4 months ago
@standinstann Hmm interesting, i never thought about it like that. I think you have a good point.
jomastretch 3 months ago
@standinstann I've been thinking along a similar line - we seem to be living in a strangely superstitious sort of age where we clutch onto totems that we either don't understand or don't really work. It's interesting, especially because - as in every age there ever was and will be - we don't tend to see ourselves as such.
Sapphonouveau 3 months ago
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@jomastretch I wouldn't waste your breath, your dealing with morons here. It's too late for them
KillTheStranger 4 months ago
Sports camps are a lot worst, but no one cares.
belegulo 4 months ago
@belegulo
I actually think that some sports camps are about the same. No joke.
standinstann 4 months ago
Great POV! Thanks for posting! ;-)
advantage73 5 months ago
Religion the largest form of discrimination in the world ... lets drop the make-believe spirits and just all get along
georgiewilliam 6 months ago 16
@georgiewilliam You lie. If you wanted to get along with everyone, you wouldn't post a message that insults hundreds and hundreds of millions of people.
BludBaut 2 months ago
@BludBaut Though he may not be doing so with the gracefulness necessary to please those in support of religion, he is telling the truth. Today's forms of organized religion have too many flaws to be recognized as sources of information that are to be regarded with vailidity. That being said, religion also gives hope, however true or false it may or may not be, and inspiration to those who need it. Organized religion comes with somewhat of an abandonment of logic, but it is sometimes worth it.
axiem105 2 months ago
@axiem105 You think you have wisdom but what I said was fact. If you really have wisdom, then how did you miss my point?
Organized religion is not the savior of the world; Jesus is, but while most organized religion is a hindrance to the truth, georgiewilliam is an outright enemy of God and wants to be because he is deceived by the devil.
You could benefit from hearing God. To do that, you should spend considerable time in His Book crying out to Him for illumination and revelation.
BludBaut 2 months ago
@georgiewilliam Nothing is make believe about God...People are just too EGO-tistical and narrow-minded to believe.
Speakwisely1st 1 month ago
Children DO NOT have critival faculties. They take things literally. Nobody shall have the right to teach them anything doing with any philosophy. Complex questions demand developed consciousness. When kids grow up they will make their choice whether to embrace some philosophical doctrine or not.
PopBogomil 6 months ago
@PopBogomil So we shouldn't teach them to respect others, not to take things that belong to other people? We shouldn't utter the words "don't judge a book by its cover", as that is a "philosophy"?
standinstann 6 months ago
@standinstann These are rules for proper behaviour in society. They aren't great wisdoms. They shouldn't of course be connected to any religion. What after all does moral has to do with religion? The fact that the best that people find in a religion are these great "truths" shows that the aim of religion is rather different than being a moral guide.
PopBogomil 6 months ago
@PopBogomil That wasn't your point, you said that we shouldn't teach kids to embrace a philosophical doctrine, now it seems that you're against teaching kids to embrace, specifically, a "religious" philosophical doctrine. to which I can only ask, why not? that's a far cry from what we saw in this documentary. Not all religious instruction is brainwashing, and not all religious upbringings are rigid and dogmatic.
standinstann 6 months ago
@standinstann Yes, I'm against teaching them any philosophical doctrine, not only religious one. Why not - because it moulds their behaivor in a desired way. Young 5-13 year old children take all things literally, they can't think in abstract terms. They can't doubt what the're told, especially by a figure of authority. My experience has shown that almost all religious people are full of fears and superstitions because of "spiritual" experiences in their childhood.
PopBogomil 6 months ago
And after all what's the point in teaching kids a philosophy that is dubiously moral and offers unscientific rendition of the world? Religion mixes proper social ethics with things like total obedience to any form of power and fear of hellfire.
PopBogomil 6 months ago
@PopBogomil I can't personally speak to your last point because I wasn't raised in a religious household. What I can tell you is that my experience has shown that almost all people in general have fears and quirks from there childhood. Obviously nobody is for teaching kids a philosophy that is dubiously moral, but as for an unscientific rendition of the world, that doesn't necessarily come with the territory. It depends on whether the teacher is truly religious or merely superstitious. (cont
standinstann 6 months ago
@standinstann you said "Religion mixes proper social ethics with things like total obedience to any form of power and fear of hellfire."
Sometimes, it depends on the religion. Fundamentalist Christianity certainly does, others are more intellectual. It all just depends.
standinstann 6 months ago
@PopBogomil In fact children tend to think only in abstract terms. Make believe, learning by analogy, these are all a big part of the development process, and they can certainly doubt what they're told. Take for example the phase where the answer to every question provokes the question "why?". What's more, you said you weren't against teaching kids a philosophical doctrine, so long as it had a materialistic basis.
standinstann 6 months ago
woa, i was not expecting to find a video like this. Standinstann, can you teach other theists to be like you? thanks man, it will minimize the amount of unbelievable stupidity atheists have to deal with.
AtheismISgod 6 months ago
Finally another like me who understands basic history of our faith. These evangelicals know nothing about the gospels and why we have 4. I bet if you ask the evangelicals about the beattitudes they will be dumbfunded.
jonbrotto 6 months ago
If you notice many of these photos with religious characters, such as Jesus himself, have a sun behind him. This is rather interesting. If anyone here knows about the origins of religion, these photos can be quite revealing.
Most religions, if not all, hold an ancient belief, based on the constellations. If you want to know more, study the work of D.M.Murdoch. Also watch zeitgeist: The greatest story ever told. This video is based on her work, and available for free on YouTube.
markusboyd3 7 months ago
@markusboyd3 Be very careful with these "Webumentaries" Particularly zeitgeist; that movie (as well as the beginning of "the God who wasn't there") doesn't know what its talking about.
standinstann 6 months ago
It is nice to see a reasonable religious person that criticizes the negatives of religion. Most religios people I encounter are either completely ignorant of the subject, or they stupidly support the negatives.
Andy32268 7 months ago
Religious or not, you have to admit that standinstann is very reasonable and rational.
The5thGeruda 7 months ago
I'd like to point out that theology, or more accurately, "mystery" is at the far end of both spectrums. Where science ends, mystery begins, and where philosophy ends, mystery begins. There are some things that philosophy and science both CAN'T explain, and a combination of our understanding and LACK of understanding of "the infinite", is where theology seems to begin. What caused the big bang? What came before it? There's still many mysteries where "the infinite" is a substitute for "God".
Bassbait 7 months ago
@Bassbait Yes, that is why theology is in conflict with science and philosophy. Religions don't use "mysterys" they give "answers." "God did it" "God made it so" "Its according to Gods plan" When science or philosophy comes to a new understanding theologies "answers" are pushed back and some of its power is lost. Theologies have been fighting the advancement of understanding for as long as they have existed. How can holding on to Theology be a good thing?
deadmouse217 7 months ago
Wow, maybe I should take a Theology class.
Ankh117 7 months ago
The day ALL kids go to Becky Fisher's camp, will be the beggining of world war III.
CuteMcBeauty 8 months ago
Very well said and yes, I am an atheist. It is an absolute shame that thoughtful, peaceful Christians like yourself have to get caught in the crossfire.
GodlessNeanderthal 9 months ago
Becky is a sociopath.A fanatic without empathy,a manipulative monster who breaks these kids' minds.She is a despicable excuse for a human being
redjirachi1 9 months ago
Evangelical Christian's are related to the Taliban in Gods eyes
chefdstair 10 months ago
Finally, a reasonable, moderate Chrsitian with a good critique of Evangelical Christianity. Most other reviewers I've seen were billigerent atheists who lump moderate, normal Christians like you and me in with the crazies like them.
JediHobbit89 11 months ago
these people are sick I am a christain and personally I know my peoples history and I belive that what this people are doing is flase teachings and flase prophecy which is mentioned in revelations this is dangerous and it should never be followed
spiderlily21 11 months ago
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The Vatican, according to this Third Secret of Fatima will be destroyed on August 17, 2011. The Dogma, the Trinity, has been replaced with the Masonic Trinity. The documents that prove the change from Our Lady, Our Lord and God Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost (the real Father) into the Lord Father/coming Lord Jesus/Holy Spirit are on FATIMAMOVEMENT d o t c o m
The Illuminati have essentially changed the three keys to heaven and humanity allowed it. The punishment from heaven is imminent.
fatimamovement 11 months ago
the concept of hell is a cruel illusion, bestowed on the weak and children in order to brain-wash them and control them. Why does the church have so many misfits as part of its congregation? Why is this bullshit peddled in as many schools and colleges as possible? It is in order to programme the developing mind before it is able to see through the thin veneer and lies that the church exists ONLY to further its own profits. That. my friends, is all it amounts to. Sorry if you bought into it.
domodunc 1 year ago
Pretty sure gods a joke
APRIME 1 year ago
im glad i got my own Religon and dont get brainwashed by others. If everyvone would have their own religon it would never have been war in this war.
Lilycha100 1 year ago
This Becky woman should be arrested...it's child abuse!
MisterBokeh 1 year ago
I like your ideas, but you sound too intelligent to believe in any of the metaphysical nonsense.
jerico641 1 year ago
yeah, right, and you're not yelling "false prophet" right now? as if! i believe the bible, and i am part of the church of God in Christ. if i were to curse evangelicals and call them "stupid", i'd be no better than you or the theologians! that would be bigoted and abusive as well!
einblitz93 1 year ago
This is sad... They tried to fucking convert me ( catholic). After that they told me that if I don't believe like they do. IM going to hell. Honestly I question my religion. But my religion I have a connection.. I am a helper of jesus.. He died on the cross and I should Pay back the favour, in a way..I try to understand all religions.. but this is not a religion.. this is .. the devils religion..
DeathbyDakota 1 year ago
Well... if you know so much about the early Christians then you know that they basically split from Judaism - and what they criticized about the Judaism at that time is pretty much the same you are criticizing about those Jesus Camp guys...
If Jesus exists and if he where to come back (which i seriously doubt) then he would probably criticize them like he criticized the corruption of Judaism. So they would attack him, label him a charlatan and have him burned at the stake or something (-:
Supenmanu 1 year ago