Eating meat is not immoral. It is necessary for survival. Eating corporate big agriculture meat certainly is immoral. Everyone needs to eat meat to be healthy, but everyone should kill the animal themselves.
Human morality loses nothing when it expands the scope of its ethical concern. Kindness and peace toward other living beings will never deprive the human race of anything.
Great video! My take is that morals are usually defined by societal "norms"... Most of our (twisted) culture views eating meat as normal. Ethics however are personally derived - And based on reason.
The truth is it is not necessary to harm life in most civilized worlds... The question then might be: Is it ethical to kill when there are choices not to?
I know I've reached my answer - Glad many more thoughtful people are doing the same! Thanks for bringing up this issue. ;)
without the chance of saving itself pain has no meaning because pain is a tool of learning what not to do. So if a deer experiences pain and fear as it runs away from a predator, and it gets away then its pain tought it how to not gete into that situation again or how to get away, and fear was the actual reason that it ran; if the deer gets eaten then its pain had no purpose because it wasin't used to save the deer and oubviously didint teach it anything. Their pain is irrelevent and useless.
Yes the human race is not evolving because there arent enough people dying to cause major change in our dna. the only link that this has with eating meat is that people are becoming unhealthy due to the fact that the animals that they eat are beeing fed poorly. you are what you eat, but you are also what your animals eat; so basically you are a stack of grain.
your only real argument in there is that animals can feel pain. all that pain is is some electricity and chemicals moving around.
I agree with everything said here, & not just because I agree. I don't eat meat- for many of the same reasons cited here. Yet there is something far more important in what you say to consider beyond the question of 'morality' itself that we take for granted; the fact that WE are ANIMALS too, & know as much about why we are here as the chicken or the cow bred as food source, or any other preserved for game. &perhaps, not as evident to us anymore than any other animal designed for similar purpose.
Many undoubtedly will find the notion far-fetched; but again a notion we take for granted, that there may be sentient beings inevident to us, that were it not for the chicken or the cow might themselves have nothing to eat or might otherwise be supplemented with a food source either way, as the fly fattens the frog for the snake-WE being the frogs having an seemingly inexhaustible surplus of flies at our disposal, oblivious to the true purpose of their provision...
@FearOfaBlackChannel if you know as much about why you're here as a chicken, then i'm afraid that would make you an idiot and probably a retard. either that or you're lying... because your an idiot.
@paenitet7nullum: You are implying then that your life has greater value to-whom?-than the chicken values its own. Then I I'd suppose we should ask the next hungry man, hmmm? Let him decide what your life is worth between his belly, and your neck. Yet in that case, as has already been said, you take for granted as much as the chicken that your neck will not be cut off first.
Oh and by the way...if at this point you are still too arrogant to understand what has been said-in which case even an idiot is wiser than you to know the difference (&for that chicken will cut your neck off as quickly) then maybe YOU can explain to everyone just why in hell are all these bullets and bombs flying around?
You see, I am grateful for life; &value it as much as you are for yours; as much as the chicken or the cow its own. Not until perhaps, the bullets & bombs are headed in your direction, or hungry men are fighting over chickens, will you not take the value of your own life-or that anyone or anything else for granted.
@FearOfaBlackChannel you said that you knew as much as a chicken, so i said that you were an idiot, but now that i think of it, a chicken doesn't know how to use a computer wich prooves that you are indeed smarter then a chicken and therefore knows more about why you are here then a chicken. therefore i'm right. but i dont understand the rest of your comment
@FearOfaBlackChannel okay are you trying to say that if there was a hungry psycopath in front of me and a chicken then both me and the chicken would think that the psycopath would eat the other one? because that doesnt make sense. if you are saying that the chicken values his own life as much as I value mine; well my ability to understand the value of my life is greater then that of a chicken, so yes i value mine more.
If you are saying that our lives have the same divine value, then stfu u tool
@paenitet7nullum: Interesting how people cling to habits by changing or creating arguments of their own (that make no sense) so they can pretend not to understand avoiding accountability ¬ having to change themselves; you speak as if your life is the only instance that has value, then question the comparative value of life itself. Life is life my friend. & as for 'value' - chickens don't attack humans, or drop bombs. There is no 'if' about what I say that you doubt. It is yourself.
u asked me a question then i gave a bunch of options as to what you may be trying to say because you made no sense. and now u say that i'm pretending not to undersstand
@FearOfaBlackChannel "life" can be many things btw, it can be an experience a type of molecular structure or maybe a word describing something interesting. the fact that chickens can't drop bombs(they can attack humans) has nothing to do with the value of life. unless you are insinuating that chickens don't attack us because they value our lives very highly. You literally bareley make any sense. I think you may have an interesting opinion or you may be crazy, lol maybe ther is no difference.
@paenitet7nullum: You are "IF" ing again I see, still pretending not to understand so that you can cling to an argument-changing context, restructuring direct meaning so that it amounts only to 'insinuation.' of course you KNOW very well that only humans drop bombs; nor can you cite any time in your life you've had to defend yourself against a chicken-attack, as long as YOU were not attacking the chicken. So there IS a difference-but you know that.
As for your 'options', they are not for me, but for yourself as a way out-as you did not answer the question asked, but contrived an answer to a question that was never asked (would you like me to repeat the question?). I never asked you to explain what I am talking about or whether you agreed that anything I said made sense to you or not; in which case you are changing the scenery (focus of the discussion). But that was already made evident two days ago, &two days later you're still doing it.
@FearOfaBlackChannel ah, ok this comment was coherent but if someone asks you a question and then you ask a question about the question (example: someone says "how is tabatha doing? you say "who is tabatha?"). I think you may have switched topic inside ur comment a few times without telling me lol. anyways I have no idea what ur saying and happy new year
It only now occurs to me that perhaps you really don't/didn't comprehend well at all the statement "& know as much about why we are here as the chicken or the cow bred as food source" implying equal ignorance on the part of either chickens or humans as to the exact reason for the existence of either, thus equally arrogant to assume that such animals exist soley for our consumption as to assert that our existence warrants or requires us to consume them, anymore than we may exist to be consumed...
But I cannot blame you for your ignorance of broader realities-unless of course you choose to ignore such facts-that there is ample evidence of the existence of sentient beings that indeed may utilize US as a food source; that we are oblivious to, were it not for chickens & cows to begin with would be more evident-or exist soley for the purpose of exploiting our ignorance&arrogance, again-the fatter the frog for the snake.
Thus to suggest that perhaps these animals may be available for our use, though not necessarily or at all for our CONSUMPTION, otherwise, like tigers& other wild beasts, we would not physiologically have any other option at our disposal. That we've no real physiological need to consume animals might suppose their consumption reserved for other wild beasts-or other sentient beings, our purpose here to maintain rather than deplete, leaving no resource other than ourselves-or each other.
While we tend to say that some animals have little or no "intelligence", it is fairer to say they have dissimilar intelligence & reason differently or by other means. Bats for eg. 'reason' by echolocation; virus, fungi & insects by means we would describe more 'mechanical' than 'intelligent' at all. The same should be obvious for "eating" & acquiring nourishment as with such beings\animals that consume the blood of chickens &cows & leave the flesh & vice verse.
Thus the question of 'morality' for me at least has more to do with the design of necessity, since it is obvious that even viral & bacterial infections cause pain, or that fungal blight consumes plants causing suffering&death. But that is the design of necessity for the survival of those 'beings', wheras consumption of animals is NOT a design of necessity for humans that is driven by anymore than our passion & power to kill & eat them, which is selfish & arrogant-thus immoral.
@FearOfaBlackChannel ....so really all ur sayin is we shouldnt eat animals because we don't need to. i think you may have over done it there a little bit lol. yea eating meat is selfish but ask yourself if you really care about some chicken, then ask yourself why. and arrogance is not immoral
@paenitet7nullum Eating meat is in no way selfish. Its called freedom of choice and completely nothing wrong with eating it. Not everyone wants to eat vegan crap.
@FearOfaBlackChannel thats true, most of the chickens I encounter are dead. could you explain what this sentence means because I can't figure it out "& as for 'value' - chickens don't attack humans, or drop bombs."
And this one" So there IS a difference-but you know that."
Difference between what and what, the word"difference" has to be connected to 2 seperate things, but you just made comments wich were true and said that there IS a difference. between u and me? between chickens and bombs???
There are different levels,grades,of awareness,goodnessand and evil.
Eating meat is wrong,bad,evil,in some low level.
But is not all the same,for example,hunting is not as bad as get the meat from a butcher's,meat that comes from a farm,where the animals suffer a lot.
Sadly,there's a lot of thoughtlessness on this issue; but of course some people doesn't care a damn,just because they are bad-evil,in a low level,and of course they will deny it.
When we reach the point we no longer need to eat to survive, Then maybe eating meat will be IMMORAL! But your making a grave error based on present conditions based in an artificial world we have created! Peoples compassion is limited by just how much food they receive! Take away the food and see just how compassionate and merciful these creatures called humans are? Your making a terrible mistake!
Karma does not exist, some people are mean all heir life and only good things happens to them.
"harming the entire natural balance of the universe"←You speaking more nonsense, sorry but a human eating meat has no effect on the universe. If anything humans eating meat can have an effect on the ecosystem where they live, but not the universe...
Sorry but you can't convince people with those silly arguments, try using facts for a change.
1:54 So, if you are driving your car and you hit an animals and kill it, should you go to jail for the accidental murder of the animals? What if you kill a mosquito that is bugging you? You get death penalty or life in jail?
Many of your arguments are illogical which is why people think you are crazy, they do have a good reason to think that.
Back to topic, eating meat is AMORAL, the human is the one who choses to believe his actions are moral or immoral.
@rroastbeef Yes, thats true. If we have enough people such as your self spread awareness these people will come to their senses and stop that animal holocaust. Be the change you want to see in the world. Thank you for your contribution.
"We must fight against the spirit of unconscious cruelty with which we treat the animals. Animals suffer as much as we do. True humanity does not allow us to impose such sufferings on them. It is our duty to make the whole world recognize it. Until we extend our circle of compassion to all living beings, humanity will not find peace." -- Albert Schweitzer, physician/Nobel Laureate-
@EmbraceAllCreation Yes, great point. The wise, the intelligent, the noble, many others understand the reasoning of not consuming meat. We are not here to power over those who are dependent on us. We should kill them but protect them.
..reasoned that there is and exception to the rule. How can you say that people who have got nothing else to eat are exempt from the rule? We all need meat since, based on how our bodies work,(Ketosis vs Insulin poisoning from carbohydrate intake) there is no choice IF we want to be healthy and provide our body with the nutrients it needs. I will continue to eat raw meat eggs and organs but still be conscious about where it comes from. You will do your thing and I wish you all the best...
>>slaughter houses operate. I can make choices to where I get my meat from, but in a very limited way. Farms are not allowed!!! to slaughter themselves etc but, I am not one to just open a packet of meat not wanting to know what happened to it, therefore I have now decided to raise rabbits for food myself. In good conditions they will be raised until I will break their neck in one swift action and there will be no pain, no suffering and no bleeding to death etc.. and just look at the way you >>
Sorry but I do disagree with your major points of reasoning. The developing of a cukture or the availability of plant foods for every one and at any given time does not change the way our bodies react to utilising those providers of energy/nutrients etc. I am NOT happy with the way people kill those animals but I cannot!! do it myself, for this, our fascist society, has taken my right for self sufficiency away to a great extend. I am not allowed to hunt, I cannot do anything about the way >>
@haridham This from a very wise Christian author written over 100 yrs ago 'The moral evils of a flesh diet are not less marked than are the physical ills. Flesh food is injurious to health, and whatever affects the body has a corresponding effect on the mind and the soul. Think of the cruelty to animals that meat eating involves, and its effect on those who inflict and those who behold it. How it destroys the tenderness with which we should regard these creatures of God!
@haridham thanks for sharing your link, I agree that eating meat is immoral. I wanted to share a thought with you and with all Christians who for misguided reasons feel the need to defend their right to eat meat.
@Racquelle40 Wow, I am humbled at the level of your knowledge and humbleness. You are right. Eating meat is not a right that God has given us. Time place and circumstance have to be accounted for. Just as you mentioned about the flood, but that doesnt mean we eat at Mcdonalds. There is no flood at the moment that forces us to eat or consume meat. I have attended interfaith meetings, and I appreciate the many Christians such as yourself who do not condone eating meat.
1. Many medical studies show vegetarians are healthier and live longer than meat eaters.
2. In a world where many are hungry, growing crops to feed animals for slaughter is inefficient and requires more land and resources -- meaning fewer can be fed.
3. Modern animal production in factory farms is extremely cruel -- the vegetarian diet is more compassionate.
@PeaceHermitage People are mainly ignorant to the affects of eating meat in all manners. People will find any excuse to do so. They will argue, fight, debate until the cows come home. Yet when it comes to compassion they will limit it to those they seek fit.
Two big problems: My mother stubbornly refuses veganism because "everything has a soul" and I tried to tell a few of my friends about veganism...I nearly lost them.
@UmbreonAndEspeon1 Well its more important to educate with love then to force anything down on anyone. 3 stages of truth, Violent oppression, ridicule and then acceptance.
if you hate meat eating you might aswell just leave this earth. honestly bro. if you think people are eating animals is bad, wait until shit really gets real and people are eating people. me i always wondered what the human mind tasted like. hmm... anyways. as much as i agree animals have more right to be here then us. i still will not be forced to believe "gods" want me to not eat meat. when clearly we were made to. as all other meat eating creatures do.
I do not need to leave the earth(ofcourse I cant)just because of meat eating. This is a forum of education. Those animals who have it in their nature to eat animals thats their consciousness and nature that provides them to consume them. They have no choice. We do. I know that we may think we are made to eat meat but then why not hunt them down and eat them raw just like other animals that were made to
@compendiumgravemind "wait until shit really gets real and people are eating people" how do you know you are not eating people right now? See when you eat stank rot and death, they could serve/sell you anything and you wouldn't know. There is, after all, very little difference between animal flesh and human flesh.
@compendiumgravemind Actually I did want to point out, that I have heard that there are people eating people already. We have to be aware of the state of consciousness of individuals and how much more ignorant one can become if the senses are not controlled.
@compendiumgravemind You can't taste the Human mind, it's not something physical, I assume you are referring to the brain. We in no way resemble other meat eating creatures, so please, tell me how we are 'designed' to eat meat?
@UniversalTruths then you get the joke congrats. by designed i would say the the systematic chain of organs used into making that meat able to keep our sorry asses alive. i have the ability to eat it, meaning it is a human function to do so. anything saying other would have to be some "god/s" trying to tell us what we and can not do. we can so we will. and before you start talks of right and wrong realize there is no right and wrong. what you "feel" is "socaly moral" is not to others.
@compendiumgravemind I have the ability to pick up a gun and shoot you, does that mean it's o.k for me to do that? There are certain things in life that are right and that are wrong. Taking the life of a living, feeling thing without it's permission is one of those things. Causing unnecessary suffering to a living, feeling thing is another. (cont)
@compendiumgravemind (cont) I have the ability to gain all my required nutrients from Plant based foods and I have the ability to be healthier, stronger, faster, more mentally clear on those foods.
@compendiumgravemind What gods say don't eat meat? He is arguing that eating meat is immoral because hurting another being that feels is immoral. We are not meat-eaters, we are omnivores. And are you just a meat-eating creature or are you a human that can understand how others feel? If you are the latter you would see the logical connection that if you have a choice and you choose to hurt you are immoral.
@compendiumgravemind we are not made to eat meat, because we don't have any omnivore trait. also, meat is a risk factor for developing cancer, and the number one cause of atherosclerosis, which is the first killer in developed countries where the most meat is consumed. if we were designed to eat it, we wouldn't get those consequences, since there is no such thing as cancer caused by apple or spinach artery clogging. and no, it's not because of the excess, because animal fat is never good.
Nature hates you. A bear wouldn't think twice about eating you if it was hungry. We are animals, and we are a part of nature. Eating other animals is merely a part of nature, it is not "immoral".
@MrServThePerv the strange thing is you tend to eat animals, that are herbivores;cows, pigs, chickens... bears aren't a common food source except maybe in desolate areas or in certain parts of Russia.
@MrServThePerv That is not necessarily true. Nature has no feelings, things happen or they don't. Animal's can only grasp so much, an animal's only mode of survival is what is programed. We however survive outside the program, we can farm food and have choices; they don't really - they must hunt. Wouldn't it be nature to kill other people then? But you don't because you arbitrarily favor one. For animal's is kill or be killed but not for us.
We don't "exist outside the program". We are a part of nature, and we are a part of the food chain. Ingesting lower animals on the food chain is a part of nature. If I ate another person, that would be cannibalism, and that is NOT typical in nature by any stretch (only about 1,500 species out of 1,250,000 are known to do it). Thus, it is fine to eat another animal but not another person.
@MrServThePerv I bet you don't live outside and hunt your own food, because that is nature. Sitting at home on a computer and shopping for food is not nature. We don't have any natural predators because we left nature to live in cities and towns and too heavily use tool. To be in nature is to be in a cycle. Chickens eating other chickens to feed humans in not a cycle. Is slaughter natural? Does it happen outside the Human species? And 90% of the ocean partakes in cannibalism.
Making shelter is completely a part of nature, so is making tools (even monkeys make tools). So me living in a house and using a computer is an extension of nature, and still, no matter how much you may want to deny it, we are a part of nature. And in nature, we are on top of the food chain. We eat animals below us, and those animals eat other animals. There is nothing immoral about it - to say that would be to say that the food chain is immoral.
@MrServThePerv But you didn't make it, you bought it.... or rent or mooch. Animals that do use tools use them to survive in a natural environment, you're extending too much by using a computers a tool for your synthetic environment.
Lets go about this with a series of questions. Which is better:
to kill a guy to steal his wallet or just steal his wallet?
@MrServThePerv Just so you know nature means geology and wildlife where fresh air blows. The almost opposite of that would be man-made or synthetic things, especially in this context. What connotation of nature are you using?
@MrServThePerv The food chain is an outdated concept. No respectable biologist uses it anymore. A food web is what we're all a part of. Choosing to hurt/kill an animal when you have plenty of much healthier alternatives is wrong.
@gocrazy432 yes, according to meat eaters humans are ok to be killed, because it always happened so it's natural. females should have no rights because the male is stronger by nature, and racism is ok too because it's the survival of the fittest. slavery is also ok and raping too, because it also animals rape each other. and speaking of what animals do, since they like the lion and gazelle example, i think it's ok to kill stepsons too like the lion does.
1) The boring answer is nobody knows what is truly moral and immoral. We have our beliefs and it is OK to believe that there does exist objective morality, but one has to agree that we do not have access to objective morality. The boring answer to why I don't think it is immoral is that is is something I like to do (eat meat). The more complex answer is that there has yet to be a conclusive argument against eating meat said to me.
I'm going to make more comments, marked by numbers. This is one.
2) Let's start with the most used reason for not eating meat, harm. The first problem with this is that by killing any organism, you do harm to it, be it pain or simply causing death. The death part covers all life, the pain part covers most animals, but not all. So, does feeling pain matter? To some vegs it does, but it doesn't to others. After all, if you think about it, there is a huge jump from this animal can fell pain to this animal should not be killed for any reason.
3) An animal feeling pain is a good reason why about 99% of what we do to animals in factory farms and slaughter houses should not be allowed, but ability to feel pain does not mean an animal has a right not to be eaten, be it human or animal. Truthfully, you have only as much right to life as you can manage for yourself, or though the help of others. You have to right to try, not live forever. So I do agree that factory farming is bad, but it is a relatively new occurrence.
4) This brings me to the idea that we are not aware where our food comes from. This is true, and another argument used, but people who know where their food comes from, either through raising animals today, in years past, or hunting, do not typically believe what they are doing is morally wrong. It is also true that they may not feel great about it, but that is mostly because of the way our society views death and disconnect, not that it is wrong.
5) So lets look at the speciesist/giving rights to animals as we do humans. This would mean that ANY animal that is abandoned or hurt would be given aid by humans. From elephants to insects. Unless you leave some animals out, you would have to include all of them, aid them all, and not try to control their population numbers, after all we do not neuter mentally handicapped people. Also, I assume if they are to be equal the same laws would qualify right?
6) So if you say, hit an insect with a car, it would be manslaughter. The same for deer and other like animals. You still get self-defense though. And what about animals eating other animals? Same rights and laws right? It would thus be illegal for carnivores to eat their natural food. Of course this is an extreme example. "Equal rights" usually means right to be left alone. Though this still reiterates that animals are different from humans.
7) You could say it is speciesist to think humans are better than animals, but this is more preference then thinking humans are superior.
So the second most common argument is need. The argument goes, though I'm sure the reader is aware of it, that we do not need to eat meat and it is healthier to eat only plants. Well not so fast. If you to your homework, you will see that not eating meat vs eating meat tends to be about equal, though eating fish tends to be the best diet.
8) A personal problem I have with the need argument is that vegs apply it only to eating meat while having many items that are not needed, that harm the environment and kill animals, but are given excuses to. This ranges from I need computers to spread what I believe (that it is immoral to eat meat) to it isn't as bad as eating meat. The problem is that the factory farm way is what is used, not a sustainable way of raising animals (which is possible BTW).
9) But think about this. Compared to everyone driving cars, I could dump, say a gallon of crude oil into the ocean. This would cause less damage than everyone driving, but if everyone did it it would be as bad or worse as everyone driving cars. The same with eating meat. Most of the problems with eating meat environmentally, besides factory farming, is the amount of people doing it.
10) Let's say we get rid of everything and eating plants is the worst thing for us to do. Would you argue that we stop eating plants or that we try to better how we eat plants? I'm guessing the latter, but why should we stop eating meat altogether when it can be improved? So far, the biggest reason I see from many vegs is because they have a feeling of disgust at the idea of eating animals. This isn't what makes morality though.
11) I could have disgust for homosexuality or other religions, but that doesn't make them wrong. Of course thinking that it is OK to kill white people doesn't make it OK, which comes back to subjectivity in morality. Personal morality, even popular morality, isn't objective. You aren't enlightened for not eating meat. Food is food. Plants and animals are, at least in my opinion equally moral to eat. The only difference is that we should treat the animals we eat with respect.
12) And what if it was discovered that humans are obligate omnivores, as some people do claim after being vegs for several years. That would mean that in order to be healthy, someone would have to do something immoral, it if was truly not subjective.
13) Final nail, so to speak. Is raping children objectively immoral?
Yes?
What if humans were only able to impregnated females past age 40 and only get pregnant between 9 and 15 but didn't rally want to? If we didn't we would die outs, if we did, we would be going against objective morality. So morality is a lot more complex. Circumstances matter more than actions. As we do it now, yeah, I agree it may be immoral, but we could improve it to the point of being at least neutral.
...another great video! keep it up....meat is so disgusting...I haven't eaten meat in 11 years now, I am so glad, not even fish, and milk is even more gross it is like drinking blood....there is nothing like a nice salad or dried fruit.....thanks....
i know you are right ...but i struggle to be "clean"..but im getting close ...there is great food out there with no meat its just to look it up ..vegitariens have clean breath and they loose weight but still loaded with energy :)
@gardini100 I understand, I didn't want to give up cheese because I saw it as a struggle, a sacrifice. Turns out not eating it is the best thing for my health and now I simply do not see the sat fat/LDL in animals as food. Once we see it as the difference between life and death, between wellness and sickness, between compassion and cruelty, there simply is no choice anymore, the true road becomes clear and all other options are stumbling blocks of confusion to be brushed aside.
@haridham I just watched it after purchasing it on Amazon. I'm giving the original copy to my mom for Xmas and making a dozen or so copies to give away to friends and family. I'm recommending others do the same! Support what those guys are doing. The moral/ethical reasons will persuade some, but not everyone. Medical/scientific proof will, however, and the information in that video provides plenty of it.
But when you stop eating it because of these reasons it doesn't matter how good it tastes anymore because its WRONG!we as humans know what's right and wrong and I still can't believe we are still eating meat! I honestly can't believe how much people are influenced by the government and how people can't be independent and think for themselves.... its so obvious and I bet half the people watching this video that eat meat skipped over the part where the animals were being slaughtered.... ridiculous
@MelissaAnnTard People have to often make a choice. Between what tastes good and what is actually good. People are so conditioned that they fear the unknown. Fear what they are not supposed to fear. That fear is only because of their desire for sense gratification. As the awareness grows people will slowly make a conscious change.
People don't feel like they have a choice or that they can't make a differnce by not eating meat... when they CAN... the reason people these days don't care is because we are all so selfish and only care about themselves or their close friends, family, or pets. I'm so tired of people saying the know what happens to the animals but can't resist eating meat because its so good. Well I have been vegetarian for 6 or 7 months and I know wht meat taste like, it IS good...
@haridham No we aren't the only measuring stick God is. Morality has nothing to do with eating meat. God himself tells us we can eat meat. I like animals too but cmon man.
@haridham Genesis 9:1-3 says: "Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. The fear and dread of you will fall upon all of the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, now I give you everything.
@JesusChristDaily The god the bible is quite brutal, murderous in fact. It is not surprising I guess that brutal cruel creatures would invoke god's name to commit mass rape and torture just to ingest the diseased filthy flesh of animal carcasses.
@FathomlessJoy He's God and you are his to do with what he pleases. Just like the animals are given to us to do with what we please. Realize the facts and have some McDonalds lol. I'll bet your doing that right now.
@JesusChristDaily Actually God is nothing like the bible. It is beyond words. The "god" protrayed in the bible is quite human, with all the emotional and psychological sickness of mankind, just on an all-powerful level. That is what compells childish men to worship it, as it gives the illusion of power, thereby causing them to ignore their powerless, petty lives.
@JesusChristDaily McDonalds is the food of fools and slaves. The highest tribute I can pay to this life is to respect and love my own body and mind, therefore I take care of them; I ingest only healthy, wholesome food and do not eat filth such as McDonalds.
@JesusChristDaily The greatest form of intelligence is compassion, and thereby compassion is godly. Where cruelty exists, however, compassion does not.
@JesusChristDaily Actually, perhaps I wasn't clear. The god portrayed in the bible is not god at all. God has nothing to do with the sickness, death, destruction, murder, rape, torture of the bible. Nothing. I hope that is clear.
@JesusChristDaily Well yes, we can consider God to the ultimate measuring stick. For sure. Now you mentioned the bible, however the bible also advocates not to eat meat in various places. This ofcourse has to be looked at thoroughly as there are so many interpretations of the bible since the original however there are many christian theists that agree that even in the bible vegetarianism is accepted and eating meat is perhaps more an exception rather the norm.
@haridham No actually what is stated in scripture was veg was the norm before the flood. After the flood we were given permission to eat veg and everything else. Just saying...
@JesusChristDaily As a Christian and a vegan, I have to argue your point. God did allow meat eating after flood only because everything on earth was destroyed, it was never his ideal. You'll notice in the record of Israel's deliverance from Egypt to the promised land of Canaan, which on many different levels is a type of the deliverance of all God's people from this sinful world to the new creation, that he tried to lead the Israelites back to the ideal. cont...
@JesusChristDaily What did God provide for Israel to eat for their 40 years wandering the desert? Manna, not meat, and the one time He gave into their complaining for meat to eat and provided quail, 'And while the flesh was yet between their teeth,...the wrath of the LORD was kindled against the people, and the LORD smote the people with a very great plague' Numbers 11:33. 'The children of Israel did eat manna forty years...until they came unto the borders of the land of Canaan' Ex 16:35
@JesusChristDaily In Psalms 78:24-25 David says that God 'had given them of the corn of heaven. Man did eat angels' food: he sent them meat to the full' 'meat' meaning food, not animal's flesh, just as in the beginning he gave man 'every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat'
@JesusChristDaily The story of Daniel we see God's blessing of wisdom heath on Daniel and his friends for abstaining from meat and eating only lentils/legumes and vegetables. 'and at the end of ten days their countenances appeared fairer..than all the youths that did eat of the king's dainties...And in every matter of wisdom and understanding, concerning which the king inquired of them, he found them ten times better than all the magicians and enchanters that were in all his realm. Dan 1:15,19
@JesusChristDaily And what will the new heaven and earth be like? "The lion also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; ..and the lion shall eat straw like the ox...They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea." Isa 11:6-9 “There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.” Rev 21:4
@JesusChristDaily Read Romans 8:19-22 - ALL creation, groans together in pain and creation was subjected to this pain not by it's choice but by the will of man who brought sin, and with it pain, suffering and death, into this world. How much more then should those who profess to be Christians seek to lesson the pain and suffering of all God's creatures rather than add to it and, as well, would it not be wise to follow God's orignial diet, the one He desiged for our optimal heath?
@FathomlessJoy You have a great point. People will use anything to justify their diet of eating death. Eating meat means no compassion or mercy. Christian is supposed to be christ like. So how can one claim to be christian when eating and killing animals. Thats hardly christlike.
@haridham Christianity is full of loop holes, one does not need to be christlike to get into heaven. Illogical Christians will use one thing from the bible that supports their argument but refute those form the same book that put down their viewpoint arguing one supersedes the other in the situation.
@gocrazy432 What i meant about christlike is being compassionate and loving. As he is supposed to be like.Yes, thats a great point. Its spiritual immaturity on their part, cherry picking based on that immaturity. I guess this is evident in every tradition. If they like something that supports their habit then that is acceptable if its not then its hardly ever looked at. Cognitive dissonance
@JesusChristDaily God did not give us the animals to do with what we please, we were meant to be wise stewards of creation, something we have failed at miserably, and God will call us to task for how we have managed that which he place into our care. He will 'destroy those who destroy the earth'. .A righteous man has regard for the life of his animal, but even the compassion of the wicked is cruel.'
@Racquelle40 Um no God won't call us to task. Animals have no souls and scripture tells us they are ours to eat. Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.
@Racquelle40 Also there are several passages telling people like you to stop condemning and judging meat eaters, here is just one. Romans 14:3 Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him.
@JesusChristDaily 'Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies'
Somehow I don't thinking 'having some McDonalds' is honoring God with my body.
Eating meat is not immoral. It is necessary for survival. Eating corporate big agriculture meat certainly is immoral. Everyone needs to eat meat to be healthy, but everyone should kill the animal themselves.
alvagoldbook2 38 minutes ago
Human morality loses nothing when it expands the scope of its ethical concern. Kindness and peace toward other living beings will never deprive the human race of anything.
beaelliott 2 weeks ago
Nothing immoral about eating delicious meat. Time for a steak!
lovebigboobs29 3 weeks ago
mmmmm i really need a cheeseburger now
6ninjahs 3 weeks ago
Great video! My take is that morals are usually defined by societal "norms"... Most of our (twisted) culture views eating meat as normal. Ethics however are personally derived - And based on reason.
The truth is it is not necessary to harm life in most civilized worlds... The question then might be: Is it ethical to kill when there are choices not to?
I know I've reached my answer - Glad many more thoughtful people are doing the same! Thanks for bringing up this issue. ;)
beaelliott 3 weeks ago
@beaelliott There's nothing wrong with meat. Screw the alternative choices.
lovebigboobs29 3 weeks ago
totally agree with your video man. I gave up meat, on Chlorella and Bee Pollen and other natural stuff.
it is a sad state of affairs this world we live in.
meat is pointless. i dont have the heart to kill animals, besides, plants afford so much more.
Great video! Keep up the love bro
maidenkid84 1 month ago
@maidenkid84 I am happy with the world I live in. I would kill an animal in a heartbeat for food :)
lovebigboobs29 3 weeks ago
veggies ^_^
GorillasRbeast 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
@GorillasRbeast yeah!!
haridham 1 month ago
My uncle Bert is not very smart, but doesn't mean I'm gonna go stuff him in an oven and eat him. Animals intelligent or not, I'm a proud vegetarian.
AmieB2005 1 month ago
@AmieB2005 Great point. Veganism/vegetarianism rules! please sub if u havent
haridham 1 month ago
My dad says animals are made to eat.
But i know better.
superstipje 1 month ago
good vid
u have a certain stilness and calmness that is very pleasant
natmanprime 1 month ago
@natmanprime Thank u for the kind words
haridham 1 month ago
@haridham credit where credit's due
: )
natmanprime 1 month ago
without the chance of saving itself pain has no meaning because pain is a tool of learning what not to do. So if a deer experiences pain and fear as it runs away from a predator, and it gets away then its pain tought it how to not gete into that situation again or how to get away, and fear was the actual reason that it ran; if the deer gets eaten then its pain had no purpose because it wasin't used to save the deer and oubviously didint teach it anything. Their pain is irrelevent and useless.
paenitet7nullum 1 month ago
Yes the human race is not evolving because there arent enough people dying to cause major change in our dna. the only link that this has with eating meat is that people are becoming unhealthy due to the fact that the animals that they eat are beeing fed poorly. you are what you eat, but you are also what your animals eat; so basically you are a stack of grain.
your only real argument in there is that animals can feel pain. all that pain is is some electricity and chemicals moving around.
paenitet7nullum 1 month ago
I agree with everything said here, & not just because I agree. I don't eat meat- for many of the same reasons cited here. Yet there is something far more important in what you say to consider beyond the question of 'morality' itself that we take for granted; the fact that WE are ANIMALS too, & know as much about why we are here as the chicken or the cow bred as food source, or any other preserved for game. &perhaps, not as evident to us anymore than any other animal designed for similar purpose.
FearOfaBlackChannel 1 month ago
Many undoubtedly will find the notion far-fetched; but again a notion we take for granted, that there may be sentient beings inevident to us, that were it not for the chicken or the cow might themselves have nothing to eat or might otherwise be supplemented with a food source either way, as the fly fattens the frog for the snake-WE being the frogs having an seemingly inexhaustible surplus of flies at our disposal, oblivious to the true purpose of their provision...
FearOfaBlackChannel 1 month ago
@FearOfaBlackChannel if you know as much about why you're here as a chicken, then i'm afraid that would make you an idiot and probably a retard. either that or you're lying... because your an idiot.
paenitet7nullum 1 month ago
@paenitet7nullum: You are implying then that your life has greater value to-whom?-than the chicken values its own. Then I I'd suppose we should ask the next hungry man, hmmm? Let him decide what your life is worth between his belly, and your neck. Yet in that case, as has already been said, you take for granted as much as the chicken that your neck will not be cut off first.
FearOfaBlackChannel 1 month ago
Oh and by the way...if at this point you are still too arrogant to understand what has been said-in which case even an idiot is wiser than you to know the difference (&for that chicken will cut your neck off as quickly) then maybe YOU can explain to everyone just why in hell are all these bullets and bombs flying around?
FearOfaBlackChannel 1 month ago
You see, I am grateful for life; &value it as much as you are for yours; as much as the chicken or the cow its own. Not until perhaps, the bullets & bombs are headed in your direction, or hungry men are fighting over chickens, will you not take the value of your own life-or that anyone or anything else for granted.
FearOfaBlackChannel 1 month ago
@FearOfaBlackChannel there are no bullets and bombs flying around.... are you okay....cuz i'm not even sure what you're talking about anymore.
or maybe that was sarcasm... i'm sorry i can't find sarcasm in your voice over the web and i'm not really sure what you're talking about.
paenitet7nullum 1 month ago
@FearOfaBlackChannel you said that you knew as much as a chicken, so i said that you were an idiot, but now that i think of it, a chicken doesn't know how to use a computer wich prooves that you are indeed smarter then a chicken and therefore knows more about why you are here then a chicken. therefore i'm right. but i dont understand the rest of your comment
paenitet7nullum 1 month ago
@FearOfaBlackChannel okay are you trying to say that if there was a hungry psycopath in front of me and a chicken then both me and the chicken would think that the psycopath would eat the other one? because that doesnt make sense. if you are saying that the chicken values his own life as much as I value mine; well my ability to understand the value of my life is greater then that of a chicken, so yes i value mine more.
If you are saying that our lives have the same divine value, then stfu u tool
paenitet7nullum 1 month ago
@paenitet7nullum: Interesting how people cling to habits by changing or creating arguments of their own (that make no sense) so they can pretend not to understand avoiding accountability ¬ having to change themselves; you speak as if your life is the only instance that has value, then question the comparative value of life itself. Life is life my friend. & as for 'value' - chickens don't attack humans, or drop bombs. There is no 'if' about what I say that you doubt. It is yourself.
FearOfaBlackChannel 1 month ago
@FearOfaBlackChannel .......is english your first language?
u asked me a question then i gave a bunch of options as to what you may be trying to say because you made no sense. and now u say that i'm pretending not to undersstand
paenitet7nullum 1 month ago
@FearOfaBlackChannel "life" can be many things btw, it can be an experience a type of molecular structure or maybe a word describing something interesting. the fact that chickens can't drop bombs(they can attack humans) has nothing to do with the value of life. unless you are insinuating that chickens don't attack us because they value our lives very highly. You literally bareley make any sense. I think you may have an interesting opinion or you may be crazy, lol maybe ther is no difference.
paenitet7nullum 1 month ago
@paenitet7nullum: You are "IF" ing again I see, still pretending not to understand so that you can cling to an argument-changing context, restructuring direct meaning so that it amounts only to 'insinuation.' of course you KNOW very well that only humans drop bombs; nor can you cite any time in your life you've had to defend yourself against a chicken-attack, as long as YOU were not attacking the chicken. So there IS a difference-but you know that.
FearOfaBlackChannel 1 month ago
As for your 'options', they are not for me, but for yourself as a way out-as you did not answer the question asked, but contrived an answer to a question that was never asked (would you like me to repeat the question?). I never asked you to explain what I am talking about or whether you agreed that anything I said made sense to you or not; in which case you are changing the scenery (focus of the discussion). But that was already made evident two days ago, &two days later you're still doing it.
FearOfaBlackChannel 1 month ago
@FearOfaBlackChannel ah, ok this comment was coherent but if someone asks you a question and then you ask a question about the question (example: someone says "how is tabatha doing? you say "who is tabatha?"). I think you may have switched topic inside ur comment a few times without telling me lol. anyways I have no idea what ur saying and happy new year
paenitet7nullum 1 month ago
It only now occurs to me that perhaps you really don't/didn't comprehend well at all the statement "& know as much about why we are here as the chicken or the cow bred as food source" implying equal ignorance on the part of either chickens or humans as to the exact reason for the existence of either, thus equally arrogant to assume that such animals exist soley for our consumption as to assert that our existence warrants or requires us to consume them, anymore than we may exist to be consumed...
FearOfaBlackChannel 1 month ago
But I cannot blame you for your ignorance of broader realities-unless of course you choose to ignore such facts-that there is ample evidence of the existence of sentient beings that indeed may utilize US as a food source; that we are oblivious to, were it not for chickens & cows to begin with would be more evident-or exist soley for the purpose of exploiting our ignorance&arrogance, again-the fatter the frog for the snake.
FearOfaBlackChannel 1 month ago
Thus to suggest that perhaps these animals may be available for our use, though not necessarily or at all for our CONSUMPTION, otherwise, like tigers& other wild beasts, we would not physiologically have any other option at our disposal. That we've no real physiological need to consume animals might suppose their consumption reserved for other wild beasts-or other sentient beings, our purpose here to maintain rather than deplete, leaving no resource other than ourselves-or each other.
FearOfaBlackChannel 1 month ago
While we tend to say that some animals have little or no "intelligence", it is fairer to say they have dissimilar intelligence & reason differently or by other means. Bats for eg. 'reason' by echolocation; virus, fungi & insects by means we would describe more 'mechanical' than 'intelligent' at all. The same should be obvious for "eating" & acquiring nourishment as with such beings\animals that consume the blood of chickens &cows & leave the flesh & vice verse.
FearOfaBlackChannel 1 month ago
Thus the question of 'morality' for me at least has more to do with the design of necessity, since it is obvious that even viral & bacterial infections cause pain, or that fungal blight consumes plants causing suffering&death. But that is the design of necessity for the survival of those 'beings', wheras consumption of animals is NOT a design of necessity for humans that is driven by anymore than our passion & power to kill & eat them, which is selfish & arrogant-thus immoral.
FearOfaBlackChannel 1 month ago
@FearOfaBlackChannel ....so really all ur sayin is we shouldnt eat animals because we don't need to. i think you may have over done it there a little bit lol. yea eating meat is selfish but ask yourself if you really care about some chicken, then ask yourself why. and arrogance is not immoral
paenitet7nullum 1 month ago
@paenitet7nullum Eating meat is in no way selfish. Its called freedom of choice and completely nothing wrong with eating it. Not everyone wants to eat vegan crap.
lovebigboobs29 3 weeks ago
@FearOfaBlackChannel thats true, most of the chickens I encounter are dead. could you explain what this sentence means because I can't figure it out "& as for 'value' - chickens don't attack humans, or drop bombs."
And this one" So there IS a difference-but you know that."
Difference between what and what, the word"difference" has to be connected to 2 seperate things, but you just made comments wich were true and said that there IS a difference. between u and me? between chickens and bombs???
paenitet7nullum 1 month ago
There are different levels,grades,of awareness,goodnessand and evil.
Eating meat is wrong,bad,evil,in some low level.
But is not all the same,for example,hunting is not as bad as get the meat from a butcher's,meat that comes from a farm,where the animals suffer a lot.
Sadly,there's a lot of thoughtlessness on this issue; but of course some people doesn't care a damn,just because they are bad-evil,in a low level,and of course they will deny it.
vegantrax 2 months ago
Good job Haridham!!! Thank you for sharing!!! :O)
meatdotorg 2 months ago
When we reach the point we no longer need to eat to survive, Then maybe eating meat will be IMMORAL! But your making a grave error based on present conditions based in an artificial world we have created! Peoples compassion is limited by just how much food they receive! Take away the food and see just how compassionate and merciful these creatures called humans are? Your making a terrible mistake!
manowar40 2 months ago
*facepalm* seriously... humans are devolving?
Karma does not exist, some people are mean all heir life and only good things happens to them.
"harming the entire natural balance of the universe"←You speaking more nonsense, sorry but a human eating meat has no effect on the universe. If anything humans eating meat can have an effect on the ecosystem where they live, but not the universe...
Sorry but you can't convince people with those silly arguments, try using facts for a change.
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 2 months ago in playlist Más vídeos de haridham
1:54 So, if you are driving your car and you hit an animals and kill it, should you go to jail for the accidental murder of the animals? What if you kill a mosquito that is bugging you? You get death penalty or life in jail?
Many of your arguments are illogical which is why people think you are crazy, they do have a good reason to think that.
Back to topic, eating meat is AMORAL, the human is the one who choses to believe his actions are moral or immoral.
Morality is 99.999999999999% subjective.
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 2 months ago in playlist Más vídeos de haridham
The meat business makes concentration camps for animals and it needs to end
rroastbeef 2 months ago
@rroastbeef Yes, thats true. If we have enough people such as your self spread awareness these people will come to their senses and stop that animal holocaust. Be the change you want to see in the world. Thank you for your contribution.
haridham 2 months ago
"All beings tremble before violence. All fear death. All love life. See yourself in others. Then whom can you hurt? What harm can you do? ~Buddha
EmbraceAllCreation 2 months ago
"We must fight against the spirit of unconscious cruelty with which we treat the animals. Animals suffer as much as we do. True humanity does not allow us to impose such sufferings on them. It is our duty to make the whole world recognize it. Until we extend our circle of compassion to all living beings, humanity will not find peace." -- Albert Schweitzer, physician/Nobel Laureate-
EmbraceAllCreation 2 months ago
@EmbraceAllCreation Yes, great point. The wise, the intelligent, the noble, many others understand the reasoning of not consuming meat. We are not here to power over those who are dependent on us. We should kill them but protect them.
haridham 2 months ago
@EmbraceAllCreation Thank you so much for this quote; so beautiful and full of wisdom.
Racquelle40 2 months ago
..reasoned that there is and exception to the rule. How can you say that people who have got nothing else to eat are exempt from the rule? We all need meat since, based on how our bodies work,(Ketosis vs Insulin poisoning from carbohydrate intake) there is no choice IF we want to be healthy and provide our body with the nutrients it needs. I will continue to eat raw meat eggs and organs but still be conscious about where it comes from. You will do your thing and I wish you all the best...
PupsLeonandI 2 months ago
>>slaughter houses operate. I can make choices to where I get my meat from, but in a very limited way. Farms are not allowed!!! to slaughter themselves etc but, I am not one to just open a packet of meat not wanting to know what happened to it, therefore I have now decided to raise rabbits for food myself. In good conditions they will be raised until I will break their neck in one swift action and there will be no pain, no suffering and no bleeding to death etc.. and just look at the way you >>
PupsLeonandI 2 months ago
Sorry but I do disagree with your major points of reasoning. The developing of a cukture or the availability of plant foods for every one and at any given time does not change the way our bodies react to utilising those providers of energy/nutrients etc. I am NOT happy with the way people kill those animals but I cannot!! do it myself, for this, our fascist society, has taken my right for self sufficiency away to a great extend. I am not allowed to hunt, I cannot do anything about the way >>
PupsLeonandI 2 months ago
@haridham This from a very wise Christian author written over 100 yrs ago 'The moral evils of a flesh diet are not less marked than are the physical ills. Flesh food is injurious to health, and whatever affects the body has a corresponding effect on the mind and the soul. Think of the cruelty to animals that meat eating involves, and its effect on those who inflict and those who behold it. How it destroys the tenderness with which we should regard these creatures of God!
Racquelle40 2 months ago
@haridham thanks for sharing your link, I agree that eating meat is immoral. I wanted to share a thought with you and with all Christians who for misguided reasons feel the need to defend their right to eat meat.
Racquelle40 2 months ago
@Racquelle40 Wow, I am humbled at the level of your knowledge and humbleness. You are right. Eating meat is not a right that God has given us. Time place and circumstance have to be accounted for. Just as you mentioned about the flood, but that doesnt mean we eat at Mcdonalds. There is no flood at the moment that forces us to eat or consume meat. I have attended interfaith meetings, and I appreciate the many Christians such as yourself who do not condone eating meat.
haridham 2 months ago
Stop meat eating start chanting it will improve your life standerds physically mentally and spiritually
travikiran321 2 months ago
@travikiran321 Yes, great point.
haridham 2 months ago
But it's so so tasty!
tomjegan808 2 months ago
@tomjegan808 The taste is only because of the seasonings added to the meat, not the meat itself.
haridham 2 months ago
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@haridham
Sorry but that is a lie, raw meat and cocked meat (without seasonings) tastes very good.
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 2 months ago in playlist Más vídeos de haridham
@haridham You have obviously never had a proper juicy steak ;) Also, I don't believe that a potato on it's own is particularly appealing!
tomjegan808 2 months ago
Cool story.
LiquidOce1ot 2 months ago
@LiquidOce1ot Glad you appreciate it. Thank you!
haridham 2 months ago
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donna1948ful 2 months ago
@donna1948ful Thank you! please send me a link to your facebook please.
haridham 2 months ago
Well said!
Three reasons for being a vegetarian or vegan:
1. Many medical studies show vegetarians are healthier and live longer than meat eaters.
2. In a world where many are hungry, growing crops to feed animals for slaughter is inefficient and requires more land and resources -- meaning fewer can be fed.
3. Modern animal production in factory farms is extremely cruel -- the vegetarian diet is more compassionate.
PeaceHermitage 2 months ago
@PeaceHermitage People are mainly ignorant to the affects of eating meat in all manners. People will find any excuse to do so. They will argue, fight, debate until the cows come home. Yet when it comes to compassion they will limit it to those they seek fit.
haridham 2 months ago
Two big problems: My mother stubbornly refuses veganism because "everything has a soul" and I tried to tell a few of my friends about veganism...I nearly lost them.
UmbreonAndEspeon1 2 months ago
@UmbreonAndEspeon1 Well its more important to educate with love then to force anything down on anyone. 3 stages of truth, Violent oppression, ridicule and then acceptance.
haridham 2 months ago
if you hate meat eating you might aswell just leave this earth. honestly bro. if you think people are eating animals is bad, wait until shit really gets real and people are eating people. me i always wondered what the human mind tasted like. hmm... anyways. as much as i agree animals have more right to be here then us. i still will not be forced to believe "gods" want me to not eat meat. when clearly we were made to. as all other meat eating creatures do.
compendiumgravemind 2 months ago
@compendiumgravemind
I do not need to leave the earth(ofcourse I cant)just because of meat eating. This is a forum of education. Those animals who have it in their nature to eat animals thats their consciousness and nature that provides them to consume them. They have no choice. We do. I know that we may think we are made to eat meat but then why not hunt them down and eat them raw just like other animals that were made to
haridham 2 months ago
@haridham we have spent 100,000 years hunting, picking, and cooking. cooking is the biggest. being our useless appendix is no longer in service.
compendiumgravemind 2 months ago
@compendiumgravemind "wait until shit really gets real and people are eating people" how do you know you are not eating people right now? See when you eat stank rot and death, they could serve/sell you anything and you wouldn't know. There is, after all, very little difference between animal flesh and human flesh.
FathomlessJoy 2 months ago
@compendiumgravemind Actually I did want to point out, that I have heard that there are people eating people already. We have to be aware of the state of consciousness of individuals and how much more ignorant one can become if the senses are not controlled.
haridham 2 months ago
@compendiumgravemind You can't taste the Human mind, it's not something physical, I assume you are referring to the brain. We in no way resemble other meat eating creatures, so please, tell me how we are 'designed' to eat meat?
UniversalTruths 2 months ago
@UniversalTruths then you get the joke congrats. by designed i would say the the systematic chain of organs used into making that meat able to keep our sorry asses alive. i have the ability to eat it, meaning it is a human function to do so. anything saying other would have to be some "god/s" trying to tell us what we and can not do. we can so we will. and before you start talks of right and wrong realize there is no right and wrong. what you "feel" is "socaly moral" is not to others.
compendiumgravemind 2 months ago
@compendiumgravemind I have the ability to pick up a gun and shoot you, does that mean it's o.k for me to do that? There are certain things in life that are right and that are wrong. Taking the life of a living, feeling thing without it's permission is one of those things. Causing unnecessary suffering to a living, feeling thing is another. (cont)
UniversalTruths 2 months ago
@compendiumgravemind (cont) I have the ability to gain all my required nutrients from Plant based foods and I have the ability to be healthier, stronger, faster, more mentally clear on those foods.
UniversalTruths 2 months ago
@UniversalTruths "We in no way resemble other meat eating creatures" so you really think that? i can start listing things if you like.
compendiumgravemind 2 months ago
@compendiumgravemind Well, that is what I asked you to do, so please go ahead.
UniversalTruths 2 months ago
@UniversalTruths Great points. I really like your points and discussion points in this video!. Thanks. Continue on.
haridham 2 months ago
@compendiumgravemind What gods say don't eat meat? He is arguing that eating meat is immoral because hurting another being that feels is immoral. We are not meat-eaters, we are omnivores. And are you just a meat-eating creature or are you a human that can understand how others feel? If you are the latter you would see the logical connection that if you have a choice and you choose to hurt you are immoral.
gocrazy432 2 months ago
@compendiumgravemind we are not made to eat meat, because we don't have any omnivore trait. also, meat is a risk factor for developing cancer, and the number one cause of atherosclerosis, which is the first killer in developed countries where the most meat is consumed. if we were designed to eat it, we wouldn't get those consequences, since there is no such thing as cancer caused by apple or spinach artery clogging. and no, it's not because of the excess, because animal fat is never good.
fammentra 2 months ago
Nature hates you. A bear wouldn't think twice about eating you if it was hungry. We are animals, and we are a part of nature. Eating other animals is merely a part of nature, it is not "immoral".
MrServThePerv 2 months ago
@MrServThePerv the strange thing is you tend to eat animals, that are herbivores;cows, pigs, chickens... bears aren't a common food source except maybe in desolate areas or in certain parts of Russia.
YuriaDanny1 2 months ago
@MrServThePerv That is not necessarily true. Nature has no feelings, things happen or they don't. Animal's can only grasp so much, an animal's only mode of survival is what is programed. We however survive outside the program, we can farm food and have choices; they don't really - they must hunt. Wouldn't it be nature to kill other people then? But you don't because you arbitrarily favor one. For animal's is kill or be killed but not for us.
gocrazy432 2 months ago
@gocrazy432
We don't "exist outside the program". We are a part of nature, and we are a part of the food chain. Ingesting lower animals on the food chain is a part of nature. If I ate another person, that would be cannibalism, and that is NOT typical in nature by any stretch (only about 1,500 species out of 1,250,000 are known to do it). Thus, it is fine to eat another animal but not another person.
MrServThePerv 2 months ago
@MrServThePerv I bet you don't live outside and hunt your own food, because that is nature. Sitting at home on a computer and shopping for food is not nature. We don't have any natural predators because we left nature to live in cities and towns and too heavily use tool. To be in nature is to be in a cycle. Chickens eating other chickens to feed humans in not a cycle. Is slaughter natural? Does it happen outside the Human species? And 90% of the ocean partakes in cannibalism.
gocrazy432 2 months ago
@gocrazy432
Making shelter is completely a part of nature, so is making tools (even monkeys make tools). So me living in a house and using a computer is an extension of nature, and still, no matter how much you may want to deny it, we are a part of nature. And in nature, we are on top of the food chain. We eat animals below us, and those animals eat other animals. There is nothing immoral about it - to say that would be to say that the food chain is immoral.
MrServThePerv 2 months ago
@MrServThePerv But you didn't make it, you bought it.... or rent or mooch. Animals that do use tools use them to survive in a natural environment, you're extending too much by using a computers a tool for your synthetic environment.
Lets go about this with a series of questions. Which is better:
to kill a guy to steal his wallet or just steal his wallet?
to steal (food/tools) to survive or just for fun?
gocrazy432 2 months ago
@MrServThePerv Just so you know nature means geology and wildlife where fresh air blows. The almost opposite of that would be man-made or synthetic things, especially in this context. What connotation of nature are you using?
gocrazy432 2 months ago
@MrServThePerv The food chain is an outdated concept. No respectable biologist uses it anymore. A food web is what we're all a part of. Choosing to hurt/kill an animal when you have plenty of much healthier alternatives is wrong.
1imesub 2 months ago
@MrServThePerv Why is killing animal's ok but not other people?
gocrazy432 2 months ago
@gocrazy432 yes, according to meat eaters humans are ok to be killed, because it always happened so it's natural. females should have no rights because the male is stronger by nature, and racism is ok too because it's the survival of the fittest. slavery is also ok and raping too, because it also animals rape each other. and speaking of what animals do, since they like the lion and gazelle example, i think it's ok to kill stepsons too like the lion does.
fammentra 2 months ago
FUCK YOU
DrewPicklesOgre 2 months ago
1) The boring answer is nobody knows what is truly moral and immoral. We have our beliefs and it is OK to believe that there does exist objective morality, but one has to agree that we do not have access to objective morality. The boring answer to why I don't think it is immoral is that is is something I like to do (eat meat). The more complex answer is that there has yet to be a conclusive argument against eating meat said to me.
I'm going to make more comments, marked by numbers. This is one.
BLHProductions 2 months ago
2) Let's start with the most used reason for not eating meat, harm. The first problem with this is that by killing any organism, you do harm to it, be it pain or simply causing death. The death part covers all life, the pain part covers most animals, but not all. So, does feeling pain matter? To some vegs it does, but it doesn't to others. After all, if you think about it, there is a huge jump from this animal can fell pain to this animal should not be killed for any reason.
BLHProductions 2 months ago
3) An animal feeling pain is a good reason why about 99% of what we do to animals in factory farms and slaughter houses should not be allowed, but ability to feel pain does not mean an animal has a right not to be eaten, be it human or animal. Truthfully, you have only as much right to life as you can manage for yourself, or though the help of others. You have to right to try, not live forever. So I do agree that factory farming is bad, but it is a relatively new occurrence.
BLHProductions 2 months ago
4) This brings me to the idea that we are not aware where our food comes from. This is true, and another argument used, but people who know where their food comes from, either through raising animals today, in years past, or hunting, do not typically believe what they are doing is morally wrong. It is also true that they may not feel great about it, but that is mostly because of the way our society views death and disconnect, not that it is wrong.
BLHProductions 2 months ago
5) So lets look at the speciesist/giving rights to animals as we do humans. This would mean that ANY animal that is abandoned or hurt would be given aid by humans. From elephants to insects. Unless you leave some animals out, you would have to include all of them, aid them all, and not try to control their population numbers, after all we do not neuter mentally handicapped people. Also, I assume if they are to be equal the same laws would qualify right?
BLHProductions 2 months ago
6) So if you say, hit an insect with a car, it would be manslaughter. The same for deer and other like animals. You still get self-defense though. And what about animals eating other animals? Same rights and laws right? It would thus be illegal for carnivores to eat their natural food. Of course this is an extreme example. "Equal rights" usually means right to be left alone. Though this still reiterates that animals are different from humans.
BLHProductions 2 months ago
7) You could say it is speciesist to think humans are better than animals, but this is more preference then thinking humans are superior.
So the second most common argument is need. The argument goes, though I'm sure the reader is aware of it, that we do not need to eat meat and it is healthier to eat only plants. Well not so fast. If you to your homework, you will see that not eating meat vs eating meat tends to be about equal, though eating fish tends to be the best diet.
BLHProductions 2 months ago
8) A personal problem I have with the need argument is that vegs apply it only to eating meat while having many items that are not needed, that harm the environment and kill animals, but are given excuses to. This ranges from I need computers to spread what I believe (that it is immoral to eat meat) to it isn't as bad as eating meat. The problem is that the factory farm way is what is used, not a sustainable way of raising animals (which is possible BTW).
BLHProductions 2 months ago
9) But think about this. Compared to everyone driving cars, I could dump, say a gallon of crude oil into the ocean. This would cause less damage than everyone driving, but if everyone did it it would be as bad or worse as everyone driving cars. The same with eating meat. Most of the problems with eating meat environmentally, besides factory farming, is the amount of people doing it.
BLHProductions 2 months ago
10) Let's say we get rid of everything and eating plants is the worst thing for us to do. Would you argue that we stop eating plants or that we try to better how we eat plants? I'm guessing the latter, but why should we stop eating meat altogether when it can be improved? So far, the biggest reason I see from many vegs is because they have a feeling of disgust at the idea of eating animals. This isn't what makes morality though.
BLHProductions 2 months ago
11) I could have disgust for homosexuality or other religions, but that doesn't make them wrong. Of course thinking that it is OK to kill white people doesn't make it OK, which comes back to subjectivity in morality. Personal morality, even popular morality, isn't objective. You aren't enlightened for not eating meat. Food is food. Plants and animals are, at least in my opinion equally moral to eat. The only difference is that we should treat the animals we eat with respect.
BLHProductions 2 months ago
12) And what if it was discovered that humans are obligate omnivores, as some people do claim after being vegs for several years. That would mean that in order to be healthy, someone would have to do something immoral, it if was truly not subjective.
BLHProductions 2 months ago
13) Final nail, so to speak. Is raping children objectively immoral?
Yes?
What if humans were only able to impregnated females past age 40 and only get pregnant between 9 and 15 but didn't rally want to? If we didn't we would die outs, if we did, we would be going against objective morality. So morality is a lot more complex. Circumstances matter more than actions. As we do it now, yeah, I agree it may be immoral, but we could improve it to the point of being at least neutral.
BLHProductions 2 months ago
...another great video! keep it up....meat is so disgusting...I haven't eaten meat in 11 years now, I am so glad, not even fish, and milk is even more gross it is like drinking blood....there is nothing like a nice salad or dried fruit.....thanks....
SleepWhenIamDead 2 months ago
i know you are right ...but i struggle to be "clean"..but im getting close ...there is great food out there with no meat its just to look it up ..vegitariens have clean breath and they loose weight but still loaded with energy :)
gardini100 2 months ago
@gardini100 One stept at a time. There are so many channels on youtube that can help you make the transition.
haridham 2 months ago
@gardini100 I understand, I didn't want to give up cheese because I saw it as a struggle, a sacrifice. Turns out not eating it is the best thing for my health and now I simply do not see the sat fat/LDL in animals as food. Once we see it as the difference between life and death, between wellness and sickness, between compassion and cruelty, there simply is no choice anymore, the true road becomes clear and all other options are stumbling blocks of confusion to be brushed aside.
FathomlessJoy 2 months ago
Have you seen Forks over Knives?
1imesub 2 months ago
@1imesub Nope, I do hope to see it eventually.
haridham 2 months ago
@haridham I just watched it after purchasing it on Amazon. I'm giving the original copy to my mom for Xmas and making a dozen or so copies to give away to friends and family. I'm recommending others do the same! Support what those guys are doing. The moral/ethical reasons will persuade some, but not everyone. Medical/scientific proof will, however, and the information in that video provides plenty of it.
I like your videos, keep up the good work.
1imesub 2 months ago
@1imesub I need to see that. earthlings was amazing and I am sure that will help. I am certain that those who need excuses will always find them.
haridham 2 months ago
But when you stop eating it because of these reasons it doesn't matter how good it tastes anymore because its WRONG!we as humans know what's right and wrong and I still can't believe we are still eating meat! I honestly can't believe how much people are influenced by the government and how people can't be independent and think for themselves.... its so obvious and I bet half the people watching this video that eat meat skipped over the part where the animals were being slaughtered.... ridiculous
MelissaAnnTard 2 months ago
@MelissaAnnTard People have to often make a choice. Between what tastes good and what is actually good. People are so conditioned that they fear the unknown. Fear what they are not supposed to fear. That fear is only because of their desire for sense gratification. As the awareness grows people will slowly make a conscious change.
haridham 2 months ago
People don't feel like they have a choice or that they can't make a differnce by not eating meat... when they CAN... the reason people these days don't care is because we are all so selfish and only care about themselves or their close friends, family, or pets. I'm so tired of people saying the know what happens to the animals but can't resist eating meat because its so good. Well I have been vegetarian for 6 or 7 months and I know wht meat taste like, it IS good...
MelissaAnnTard 2 months ago
awesome video dude. nice inclusion of Earthlings. thank you.
SuperAnimalDrummer 2 months ago
@SuperAnimalDrummer Thank you! I appreciate your support.
haridham 2 months ago
Immoral? YES!!! Thanks for the reality check!
walk4trot2canter3 2 months ago
@walk4trot2canter3 Thank you for your support.
haridham 2 months ago
@haridham No we aren't the only measuring stick God is. Morality has nothing to do with eating meat. God himself tells us we can eat meat. I like animals too but cmon man.
JesusChristDaily 2 months ago
@haridham Genesis 9:1-3 says: "Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. The fear and dread of you will fall upon all of the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, now I give you everything.
JesusChristDaily 2 months ago
@JesusChristDaily Strange that adult humans, who supposedly are so progressed, use childish beleifs to rationalize their own sick, cruel lives.
FathomlessJoy 2 months ago
@JesusChristDaily The god the bible is quite brutal, murderous in fact. It is not surprising I guess that brutal cruel creatures would invoke god's name to commit mass rape and torture just to ingest the diseased filthy flesh of animal carcasses.
FathomlessJoy 2 months ago
@FathomlessJoy He's God and you are his to do with what he pleases. Just like the animals are given to us to do with what we please. Realize the facts and have some McDonalds lol. I'll bet your doing that right now.
JesusChristDaily 2 months ago
@JesusChristDaily Actually God is nothing like the bible. It is beyond words. The "god" protrayed in the bible is quite human, with all the emotional and psychological sickness of mankind, just on an all-powerful level. That is what compells childish men to worship it, as it gives the illusion of power, thereby causing them to ignore their powerless, petty lives.
FathomlessJoy 2 months ago
@JesusChristDaily McDonalds is the food of fools and slaves. The highest tribute I can pay to this life is to respect and love my own body and mind, therefore I take care of them; I ingest only healthy, wholesome food and do not eat filth such as McDonalds.
FathomlessJoy 2 months ago
@JesusChristDaily The greatest form of intelligence is compassion, and thereby compassion is godly. Where cruelty exists, however, compassion does not.
FathomlessJoy 2 months ago
@FathomlessJoy You just said God was a mean asshole and in the same breath say compassion is Godly. Are you reading the garbage you write?
JesusChristDaily 2 months ago
@JesusChristDaily Actually, perhaps I wasn't clear. The god portrayed in the bible is not god at all. God has nothing to do with the sickness, death, destruction, murder, rape, torture of the bible. Nothing. I hope that is clear.
FathomlessJoy 2 months ago
@JesusChristDaily The bible is in fact ungodly. Sorry, dude.
FathomlessJoy 2 months ago
@FathomlessJoy "The bible is in fact ungodly. Sorry, dude." LOL? really? I must admit I've never heard that one before. Care to elaborate?
JesusChristDaily 2 months ago
@JesusChristDaily Well yes, we can consider God to the ultimate measuring stick. For sure. Now you mentioned the bible, however the bible also advocates not to eat meat in various places. This ofcourse has to be looked at thoroughly as there are so many interpretations of the bible since the original however there are many christian theists that agree that even in the bible vegetarianism is accepted and eating meat is perhaps more an exception rather the norm.
haridham 2 months ago
@haridham No actually what is stated in scripture was veg was the norm before the flood. After the flood we were given permission to eat veg and everything else. Just saying...
JesusChristDaily 2 months ago
@JesusChristDaily As a Christian and a vegan, I have to argue your point. God did allow meat eating after flood only because everything on earth was destroyed, it was never his ideal. You'll notice in the record of Israel's deliverance from Egypt to the promised land of Canaan, which on many different levels is a type of the deliverance of all God's people from this sinful world to the new creation, that he tried to lead the Israelites back to the ideal. cont...
Racquelle40 2 months ago
@JesusChristDaily What did God provide for Israel to eat for their 40 years wandering the desert? Manna, not meat, and the one time He gave into their complaining for meat to eat and provided quail, 'And while the flesh was yet between their teeth,...the wrath of the LORD was kindled against the people, and the LORD smote the people with a very great plague' Numbers 11:33. 'The children of Israel did eat manna forty years...until they came unto the borders of the land of Canaan' Ex 16:35
Racquelle40 2 months ago
@JesusChristDaily In Psalms 78:24-25 David says that God 'had given them of the corn of heaven. Man did eat angels' food: he sent them meat to the full' 'meat' meaning food, not animal's flesh, just as in the beginning he gave man 'every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat'
Racquelle40 2 months ago
@JesusChristDaily The story of Daniel we see God's blessing of wisdom heath on Daniel and his friends for abstaining from meat and eating only lentils/legumes and vegetables. 'and at the end of ten days their countenances appeared fairer..than all the youths that did eat of the king's dainties...And in every matter of wisdom and understanding, concerning which the king inquired of them, he found them ten times better than all the magicians and enchanters that were in all his realm. Dan 1:15,19
Racquelle40 2 months ago
@JesusChristDaily And what will the new heaven and earth be like? "The lion also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; ..and the lion shall eat straw like the ox...They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea." Isa 11:6-9 “There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.” Rev 21:4
Racquelle40 2 months ago
@JesusChristDaily Read Romans 8:19-22 - ALL creation, groans together in pain and creation was subjected to this pain not by it's choice but by the will of man who brought sin, and with it pain, suffering and death, into this world. How much more then should those who profess to be Christians seek to lesson the pain and suffering of all God's creatures rather than add to it and, as well, would it not be wise to follow God's orignial diet, the one He desiged for our optimal heath?
Racquelle40 2 months ago
@FathomlessJoy You have a great point. People will use anything to justify their diet of eating death. Eating meat means no compassion or mercy. Christian is supposed to be christ like. So how can one claim to be christian when eating and killing animals. Thats hardly christlike.
haridham 2 months ago
@haridham Christianity is full of loop holes, one does not need to be christlike to get into heaven. Illogical Christians will use one thing from the bible that supports their argument but refute those form the same book that put down their viewpoint arguing one supersedes the other in the situation.
gocrazy432 2 months ago
@gocrazy432 What i meant about christlike is being compassionate and loving. As he is supposed to be like.Yes, thats a great point. Its spiritual immaturity on their part, cherry picking based on that immaturity. I guess this is evident in every tradition. If they like something that supports their habit then that is acceptable if its not then its hardly ever looked at. Cognitive dissonance
haridham 2 months ago
@JesusChristDaily God did not give us the animals to do with what we please, we were meant to be wise stewards of creation, something we have failed at miserably, and God will call us to task for how we have managed that which he place into our care. He will 'destroy those who destroy the earth'. .A righteous man has regard for the life of his animal, but even the compassion of the wicked is cruel.'
Racquelle40 2 months ago
@Racquelle40 Um no God won't call us to task. Animals have no souls and scripture tells us they are ours to eat. Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.
JesusChristDaily 2 months ago
@Racquelle40 Also there are several passages telling people like you to stop condemning and judging meat eaters, here is just one. Romans 14:3 Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him.
JesusChristDaily 2 months ago
@JesusChristDaily 'Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies'
Somehow I don't thinking 'having some McDonalds' is honoring God with my body.
Racquelle40 2 months ago