They can have access to any of those books at any time. There are no "secrets". You should be far more concerned with propoganda techniques used by your government in all aspects of media and indoctrination in public schools.
@MashackBJJ Ah yes - a government for the people by the people (even if "the people" are only a few elite). Watchtower Inc is no different. Thank you for pointing that out.
@propagandatechniques Yet it shouldn't be... A country that has no corruption (none today), Would not need to create such major social devides in itself. Take Sparta from ancient times. IF you were a citizen, you had one of two jobs (usually). To Kill others, or to make new Spartans. Everyone was educated in manners, writing, speech, dance, health, and combat. Revolution need to water the tree of democracy and create such a place once more.
You can handle the truth that easily, let me illustrate how, think you are from the dark place and seeking for the light instantly, what will happen? believe me you will blinded. Why? then as your doctor researcher...
@mastiffsito "Once they study a little bit they'll have access to these magazines."
Yes, and when they desire to bang on doors they get the "OD" book. Then when they desire to reach out for oversight they get the highly coveted "Flock book." And when they collect enough box tops they can get a Dick Tracy secret decoder ring. Where's the mystery?
@propagandatechniques exactly the secret decoder ring, the lodge collar pin and the book by J. Greber.....lol. LAGamer found the same fairies I did on the tract he posted on his vid.....if they just went a bit more new age membership would skyrocket. lol.....god's chanel?
@mastiffsito Now do you realy think God would withheld info from one and not to others. come on wake up! God will put no man above others! Stay away from religion!
Jesus taught his followers to go from house to house. He wants more people to become disciples. Jehovah's Witness are following Jesus our Lord. Read Acts 5:42, "...from house to house they continued ..declaring the good news about the Christ, Jesus." Acts14:21,"...making quite a few disciples,..." Acts 20:20-"...teaching you publicly and from house to house." Jesus commands his disciples to make more disciples. READ Matthew 28:19,20-"Go therefore and make disciples of people..."
I am studying as well and i was thinking they are part of a political group ....... but after studying more than 2 years i could never find any thing more than studying the truth about bible and nothing else .... what they say is the truth and right and they only religion group who understood the truth about bible.....after being with them for more than 2 years and not finding any thing wrong with them i am thinking of baptise soon......
@bawkiasmani think really hard brfore you do it because once you get baptize you cant take it back. If you get baptize and then decide I think I will only go to the meetings on Sunday or I think I will not go door to door every month those Loving brothers will look at you differently and instead of long loving conversations you will get a passing wave until you do as you are told. I left and no one talks to me but my husband was never baptize and they talk with him all the time.
@TheShelia6 i kinda like the idea of being able to go to the hall and not have people talking endlessly to me. i was disfellowshiped for a while and i liked being able to walk into the hall and sit down and take in a meeting and leave. nobody talked to me. (well occasionally someone would say something real quick like, 'its good to see you coming again.') for an anti-social person like me, being disfellowshiped was great. then i got reinstated and had to do stuff again.
@bawkiasmani You get baptized in the name of the organization. You CANNOT be a witness on the bible alone. You get baptized, the WTS owns you. Please check out more facts first. Please.
I have seen J.W.secretly buying Christmas toys for their kids,and some time celebrating birthdays.I feel they should reform their believes and remember
original sin is not in the flesh rather in our conscious -.J.W. are good people
with sincere hearts,but their are being mislead by long wolf elder.
Actually I have been getting the study edition of the watchtower for months now. Im not a JW but they come by to give me the study edition as well as the public edition and the Awake magazine. I have also requested many of their different publication and they have always brought me everything I ask for. It doesnt seem like they are hiding to me. So stop hating on them, they are nice people.
@propagandatechniques They are pain in the @sses. I keep asking them to stop coming by and waking me up on my only day to sleep. I dont believe in god , I despise organized religion and I have no interest in them, especially after dating a JW and she was nuts. Pint blank period I live my life you live yours I dont encroach on your way of life dont encroach on mine. Do they respect that? NO. Maybe if Anubis and RA (my dogs) sink their teeth into their butt cheeks, then they will get my message.
@koletoday yes well said my friend whats all this crap about JWs on here I have never met a bad one yet ,.they all seem nice to me ..these idiots that have nothing else to do but spend time putting other people down should go get a job or just get out more.
"if children are of age, then there can be a departing and breaking of family ties in a physical way, because the spiritual ties have already snapped. If, because of acting according to the disfellowship order of the company of God's people, they become threatened with a withdrawal of the parental support, then they must be willing to take such consequences. Faithful family members must recognize and conform to the disfellowship order."
@koletoday they are nice ppl for the most part just mislead..their religeon was started by a 33rd degree freemason who gained fame, sexual power and money through the church, also the founder distorted the bible to were the JW members would not understand it the way it should be understood, all of what im saying is documented
goes very smoothly. When I did this, the brothers were very nice... everything is kept private and they showed me from the scriptures my wrong doing and only wanted to help me get on a better path. Also, it's not like the elders drag you in there... you go by choice. It's up to each individual if they want to express anything to the elders. there is no forcing of it. than people become bitter like u. I was bitter for a time too, I spent 3 years away from it all... re-researched a lot of things.
@NyquiStudios Apparently you've never heard of when sisters are given a choice; "Tell us every intimate detail of your fornication, including where the other person put his fingers and mouth; or, face disfellowshipping for noncompliance."
Yes, tell the viewers the WHOLE "truth" when you talk about all the research you did. Tell them about the meetings where oral and anal sex is discussed in front of toddlers. Then, when you can honestly admit you don't know crap, get back in touch with me.
actually it's funny you should ask me that. I was raised a witness, and have experienced what's it's like to be in front of 3 elders in a room with a parent discussing such matters. lol and it's not like how you make it seem. I know that elders are not perfect, yes it is intimadating, and a hard thing to do. Even embarressing perhaps. Since elders are not perfect I'm sure they've made many mistakes in meetings like these. If they conduct everything the way they are supposed to... it actually-
@NyquiStudios Did you comprehend the part where the elders are admonished to determine from those accused of committing "porneia" (fornication) if actual fornication occurred? Have you considered what it must be like for three grown men to sit in a room with a minor and its father, questioning about sexual encounters in detail to determine if actual fornication occurred? I can produce three people right now who are willing to testify this happened to them because of that controlled publication.
just becouse they use cult technikes to form their group , doesnt mean that waht they base upon their beliefs aren't true. You can have the truth, you can have good ideas..they you can form a cult around thise things using propaganda. Propaganda is neutral, it is the thing what you want to promote is important.
@itsAndrogyn When logical fallacies are being used to promote an agenda, all credibility in the ones using the logical fallacies is destroyed when it is discovered.
@itsAndrogyn Witnesses are told the issue of sovereignty arose in the garden where the serpent challenged God's right to rule; then, God decided to scrap the issue during (1) the flood of Noah's day; (2) Sodom and Gomorrah; and (3) theTower of Babel. I guess he forgot he was allowing Satan to rule mankind. =)
i found out also that this apostate were infiltrator have a mission which is connected to Jihad islamic movement and also to the Skinhead Neo_Nazi Gangster.No wonder they too much Jws.This people were disperate bcoz the think Jw will overthrow Mecca.OMG HOW shortminded this peoples. They dont know that the very secret of faith is peace and love. Whatever relegion is.
For a person like me.. mind control simply does not exist.. I dont use my feelings to sense if these are wrong. I look @ the facts. Simply and plainly. I only started watching this youtube stuff from you and others just to let you have your best shot. It is very obvious to me that you simply have a deep seeded grudge. And you'll try and use any means necessary because the ends justify the means.. i spent 3 years of my life studying with an anointed one.. never again had i found someone so humble
@AwakenGiovanni1000 You studied with an anointed one? Really! Did he show you this scripture?
Mt 24:5 - "Many for shall come in the name of me, saying: I am the Anointed; and many they shall deceive... Lu 21:8 Not therefore go you after them." (Emphatic Diaglott)
@AwakenGiovanni1000 Really? I was raised by one of the anointed. Exhibiting humility is not an indicator of lack of mind control. For that matter it's clear you're not looking at facts. You're blaming victims. For that matter if you were using facts instead of your emotion you wouldn't be attempting to minimize what he said by suggesting it all boils down to a grudge.
@Quasiprophet Facts huh... I am looking @ the facts.. I know this is out of a grudge.. Because if their is no God and their is no devil... why waste time trying to be right or wrong? Why try to denounce something that gives people hope and then offer them no hope.. This is a grudge and this person is angry.. You out up the front that your sincere and your doing this to help people.. but you know why you really do it.. your mad.. and your afraid..i havent been to the hall in 3 yrs. even i know
@AwakenGiovanni1000 Great. A Watchtower apologist that hasn't been to the hall in three years. You choose living in darkness over living in reality. See, the guilt you carry for not attending meetings I have been set free from. You can have the same freedom too, but you choose to live in the Watchtower darkness of "inactivity," which I call bullshit. Also, you didn't answer my other question - Did the anointed "teacher" show you the scripture I quoted above? (see "all comments")
@AwakenGiovanni1000 If that is so, why didn't you address how the facts were wrong in your comment? You've shown no evidence for why it would be a grudge aside from your wishing it so. You don't waste time being right or wrong if there's no god or devil, because your morality isn't dependent on god or the devil. You don't need to be threatened with eternal nonexistence or offered eternal heaven or paradise in order to do what's right....
@AwakenGiovanni1000 The same people that buy into that are the same people that can look at how god in the bible is described, a god of malice and mass murder over his own pettiness, and say those are acts of a purely good being instead of psychosis. Do you do what's right only out of fear of punishment, or only for reward? We denounce it because it is a false hope....
@AwakenGiovanni1000 And we do offer hope, it's just not what you wish to hear. So I'm mad? I'm afraid? On what basis? Why would I need to be either of those things? Do you have any explanation or is that the only answer you can come up with? If you haven't been to the hall in three years and that's the only reason you've found, what keeps you from going back?
my answer was only meant to help you to understand Jw's have the same rights as the governments and corporation meaning they do not have to share everything with everyone.. You were attempting to use those rights as a lightning rod against jw's and strip them of their rights. You would only join the Jw's if you wanted to do Jehovah's will.. obviously their are lots of differences between jw's and other structures,,, this so happens to be a similarity based upon laws and principles =)
@AwakenGiovanni1000 What do you think of governments and corporations that take advantage of children, targeting them for recruitment purposes, then forcing them to remain inside with fear of shunning from other trapped family members and friends? Would you feel governments and corporations doing this are anything less than scum?
@propagandatechniques I think that if a person has the mindset that cares that much about what other people think they would be willing to continue doing something they knew was wrong just 2 please those other people.. that person would be in danger and taken advantage no matter where they were.. even if they were around someone who wasnt trying to take advantage of them they would still be lead around mindless because that person lacks the strength and ability to think for themselves.
@AwakenGiovanni1000 You completely dodged my question. You are not addressing the issue of overreaching adults targeting improvident children. I'll ask again:
What do you think of governments and corporations that take advantage of children, targeting them for recruitment purposes, then forcing them to remain inside with fear of shunning from other trapped family members and friends?
@AwakenGiovanni1000 Do you understand that I asked you what you think of governments and corporations, and you then answered me with what you think of the PEOPLE the governments and corporations are taking advantage of? I'll ask again:
What do you think of GOVERNMENTS and CORPORATIONS that take advantage of CHILDREN, (so-called "mature" MINORS) targeting them for recruitment purposes, then forcing them to remain inside with fear of shunning from other trapped family members and friends?
@propagandatechniques I understand exactly what your asking. I also understand that you are trying to corner me and then say the Jw's are like that. This is simply not the truth though.. You dont have to be JW.. before you are baptized you understand the situation you are getting yourself into.. If a persons parents or family members absolutely forced them to be jw's then that is the fault of the parents.. not Jehovah or the elders or charles russell..
@propagandatechniques You say I am under mind control. I have tested the quality of my faith and looked @ it from all standpoints.. even yours.. someone who uses cornering tactics in their arguements.. Someone who does that does not care whether they are right or wrong.. they simply want to seemingly win the arguement. You or someone you know may have been one of those kids pressured into being baptized and then shunned because you left. We're not under mind control.. lol..
@propagandatechniques you cant be disfellowshipped without being baptized.. and you cant b baptized without stating many times you understand all the consequences.. a person shouldnt feel forced to get baptized.. if they do thats their fault.. they should be baptized when they know they are ready.. not to please others or look good..
@AwakenGiovanni1000 Regardless, whether children, JWs, you or anybody else realizes it or not, when children are "encouraged" by adults, whether the child's parents or otherwise, to enter a lifelong contract with a "legal corporation (WTS)," it is a contract that is made for life. The United States Constitution supports an ancient common law called "Infancy Law Doctrine" that sees this as taking advantage of the child, because the child does not have the foresight, or hindsight, of an adult.
@propagandatechniques I understand what you are saying.. But the watchtower tract society does not encourage people to do something so stupid to their children. That is a problem of parenting. You cannot blame that on the church the governments or anyone. Is Charles Russell's fault if a man decides to yell @ his kids.. certainly not.. although I know you would like it to be.. lol
@AwakenGiovanni1000 so what you are saying is that it is the Children's fault for getting baptized?....what about the ones that encourage them to do this before they are ready...they have no responsibility in the matter?
@propagandatechniques What do i think of governments or corporations that do that.. i dont know of any that do that? Maybe you can name a specific government or corporation..
Well for one they will give you a study article if you ask for one. It just might be harder to understand for you. Second try going to the u.s. Government and asking for their charts and classified documents see how they respond or perhaps try going to the Vatican and reading all their books or how about you go to your boss @ work and ask for his tax documents. lol or employee list or maybe go to a corporate center and try to sit in on the managers meeting. lol
@AwakenGiovanni1000 I see. So now the Watchtower Society is just like other governments, religions and corporations. And how does this reasoning serve to convince me to want to join it?
Well based upon these cult functions I dont think any government, corporation, church or religion would prove to b anymore then a cult. Which means we would all be in a bad situation. lol
@girlznguitarz Is that really what you believe? That's so funny, because with my religion all our prayers are answered by god, and all Witness, or other cult worshipers who rely on a team of pre-selected 144 thousand people to determine what "God" says are answered by the Devil, who can transform into Don Knotts, that or a spilled glass of urine.
@EmceAA NOt at all, but I wanted that response, as this is what a JW told me just last week...that my prayers would not be answered by God as I am not a JW.
@propagandatechniques 15 years? anyone can get. its a study version but if you ask for it, we wont say no its"forbidden". in any case if you were for 15 years what made you stay for 15 years, 15 years is a long time to be in a religion without knowing its teachings.anyways you dont look like you were in it from birth so then i would ask you this were you brain washed into serving Jehovah or was it throw scriptures reasoning that you made your decision to come serve him be honest with yourself
@doublebanabe Perhaps it's hard for you to understand that escaping this religion is comparable to chewing off your leg. Obviously, I didn't know all the esoteric teachings when I first entered it. After living the cult lifestyle for a while, it became evident something was not right; yet, I suppressed the feelings in order to maintain my social standing in what is an elitist cult. This means that the people in the cult believe they are somehow better than non-members. I'm glad to be out.
@propagandatechniques of course something wasnt right. people striving to live by the bible have different conduct compared to those not practicing bible guidelines. Its evident as well that, not all witness do follow the bible principle;You my friend are an example of that, which is why you decided to dis-fellowship yourself. you wanted to experience live going against some teaching of the bible; in other words you chose to serve both the desire of the flesh and the spirit. you can only serve 1
Do you have any proof that can support your comment ? From doublebanabe: " you wanted to experience live going against some teaching of the bible; in other words you chose to serve both the desire of the flesh and the spirit. you can only serve 1."
@doublebanabe Open your bible to Luke 22:14-23 and show me where Judas was dismissed or disfellowshipped? If Jesus had disfellowshipped or dismissed Judas, then why would the apostles be discussing who it was? It should have been obvious according to the Watchtower teaching?
@propagandatechniques who is above the GB? just would like to know. do they all have the same "ranking" in a board meeting. I know little me will never know....even if I was dusting for them........lol.
Read Zechariah 11:10-13. It plainly says that Jehovah was sold out for 30 pieces of silver...yet we know that Jesus was sold for that amount: Conclusion? Jesus is Jehovah! Also Zechariah 12:10 states "They shall look up ME (Jehovah) the one they pierced and mourn for HIM...this at Armageddon. Jesus said the same text about himself in Rev 1:7 I decree that the JW organization shall cease to exist in Jesus' name! It is done!
I went through a tornado and divorce at the same time and not one person from any church offered to help but the mennonites who had a grant from fema. as a divorced woman Ive been ridiculed by all religious organizations my x disliked the jw and they would not leave us alone! they like so many can go to other countries but not help fellow americans in their time of need! most witness Ive meet are ok its a personal decision all organized religion is manipulative but they r freemason influence.
@karenl1234 Do all organized religions order children to shun their own parents?
propagandatechniques 2 weeks ago
Thats funny then why do you see witnesses being obedient and as well in Ephesians it says obey your parents Eph 6:1 im sure every other christains knows this plus its common for children to obey there parents. so you make it sound like its orders giving there is no order its all a mater of free will with in the boundaries of the bible
@doublebanabe Would it be possible to write in complete sentences, with periods and capital letters where appropriate? It's a courtesy in communication to do so. If you cannot do this, don't bother replying anymore.
WOw UNbelievable!! You fools still fall for these religious books? Does believing in an imaginery 'father' in the sky make you feel better about you pathetic existence here?
Do somthing with your life, your not a god damn drone. Think4Urself.
@propagandatechniques When the NWO comes for you...who will pray for you? Not me. And don't give me the crap that the WT is the NWO...I've seen your BS on that too!
LOL...still at the big 'ol lies I see. The study copies are freely available for download to anyone who wishes at jw,org! There is nothing secret. Anyone can request a copy at any time. How you can keep putting your face to outright lies is truly amazing!
Ok, I'm lying. right. Here's a quote from your handlers:
*** w08 1/15 p. 3 The New Study Edition of The Watchtower ***
"The study edition is published for Jehovah’s Witnesses and progressive Bible students."
Now, since the subject of this video is secrecy among Jehovah's witnesses, perhaps you can explain the secrecy of a judicial committee meeting where none of the nominal members know what happens to ones before they are difellowshipped.
@propagandatechniques Just because it is not intended for general distribution does not mean that it is "secret"! It can be downloaded at this moment by anyone. If someone asked me for a copy, there is no injunction forbidding me to give anyone a copy. You are disingenuous in your assertion.
@usedbrain The language that is used in the Study Article is more pointed to people who already have background in what is being discussed. I personally prefer having the more pointed and direct language that I understand. Many times in the past, people would read some of the "deeper" study articles, before the change in format, and be confused because they did not have a basis of understanding the nuances...the very nuances that you very cleverly seek to twist.
I am sorry that you feel I am twisting things. What you call "nuances" others that combat cult mind control identify as part of a loaded language scheme to isolate the minds of the members from the outside world psychologically. When a religious group incorporates a unique language of terms and phrases and then reinforces them with exclusive literature, this is perceived as a criterion of cult mind control.
Yes, they are the experts at twisting scriptures. They somehow found a way to pass this one right under their mind controlled slaves noses:
Mt 24:5 - "Many for shall come in the name of me, saying: I am the Anointed; and many they shall deceive... Lu 21:8 Not therefore go you after them." (Emphatic Diaglott)
Can you please tell me from the following quote what "purpose" the mega mansion supposedly purposed to house returning patriarchs that in reality housed 'Judge' Joseph Rutherford "fully" served?
"The board of directors . . . decided to sell Beth-Sarim. Why? . . . It had fully served its purpose . . ." (Proclaimers, p. 76).
detailairbrushing BROTHERS DON'T EVEN ENTERTAIN THIS TWISTED GARBAGE.
Matthew 7:6 6 Do not give what is holy to dogs, neither throw YOUR pearls before swine, that they may never trample them under their feet and turn around and rip YOU open."
Abviously anyone who puts so much effort into twisting truth, has bad motives. (repeat this message on all these videos
I just think the WT is the disgusting thing standing in the temple. Here Jesus came and set up a direct connection with God and then Russel comes along and puts back the Jewish through which they have to go to be approved and to judge them. So, it's like what Jesus builds up, the WT tears down. It's funny when they say that they are 'the truth' because they do as the ancients did but if you point out where they don't, they say they are "progressive".
People always talk about rev. bieng about the end times when realy it was about there time they were unhappy with rome and predicted a war in mount miggeto.between christians and rome.But people today find it nice to use it as a tool to scare the crap out of people lol.
@callofdutymw2geek might be some paralells there but revelation is still happening. Have the dead been raised yet? No.....I think also the scripture that says "God will bring to ruin those ruining the earth"...well that didn`t happen yet either, and it`s only in these days that man has the technological capacity to ruin the earth, nuclear war weapons, like WMD (like what they didn`t have in Iraq)...pollution, poisoned seas etc.,
Actually, you're not entirely correct. It did happen at least once (before flood) - and in reading Enoch possibly twice. Perhaps even on Mars in the way distant past.
So, to suggest that man only has the technological capacity to ruin the earth now is a fallacy.
(Genesis 6:11) . . .And the earth came to be ruined in the sight of the [true] God. . .
They way rev. was writen it will be easy for anyone at any point in history to identify with its storys cause there will always be wars there will always be natural disasters religion will always be under persecution truth be told it was a failed prophecy learn were the word armagedon comes from it comes from the meaning of mount miggeto he was simply trying to discribe a war in the near future because at the time christians were leaving the area due to persecution .
@archeng123 Do you not think, that if God wrote the Bible (or at least provided others to write down his words) there would need to be `interpretation`....surely God would have made it understandable b all....so if the Bible is true, it needs NO interpretation. I think for example the Ten Commandments are pretty easy to understand. Thous shalt not kill, for example...very plain to know what it means. Shame the governments don`t understand this 6th commandment.
This is one of the cases of cognitive dissonance many cult religions will inject their members' minds with; "The bible is complete and all that is necessary for understanding God and life itself", Yet, "The bible is not for private interpretation and must be studied with the use of bible study aids." so, is it complete or not? We'll have to "wait on Jehovah," or wait for "new light," whichever comes first. =)
The bible is inspired by God. God said so right in the bible. God is going to destroy all who fail to use proper punctuation on this channel's videos.
@propagandatechniques Yes I agree God is very particular about punctuation....however; what`s interesting is Biblical Prophesy coming true, even non-religionists are seeing this...whats your take on this?
@propagandatechniques It hasn`t been fulfilled, I`d say: It`s `being` fulfilled....but we are defo going towards the NWO, satan setting up a counterfeit kingdom...that`s my take on it....but open to hear yours, and we are heading towards a facist regime....and the 666 in revelation....ID chips....neither buy nor sell etc.,
Check out my faved vid "deconstructing judicial committee" and see how the elder body operates clandestinely, disallowing public trials under the guise of "protecting the congregation," clear evidence of miscarriage after miscarriage of justice - all being done in secret. Watch that vid to see - WTS is the totalitarian government of NWO. Both made by freemasons. One makes the problems, the other offers the "only solution." Also, see my vid "November 5, 2017" for my opinion. Lata, GnG.
2) Yes. The books themselves are part of the internal statecraft being used on the victims to slowly instill in them an elitist mentality. The higher up the ladder you climb, the more severe the elitist mentality.
@teddet87 i like your interest in the subject. If you would really like to find out, find out for yourself. Study a book and read the scriptures. Don't rely on the words of men.
Russel was a free mason who wanted to make money off of fools he said the end was close and alot of people sold there homes and pos.and gave it to the watchtower oc.He didnt think the suckers would come back they did even after they changed there name and russel died and a new mason took over people dont understand that free masons have taken over almost every religion and the top people bords comitiy ext are all masons in control for that tax free money its also true for the gov. as well.
@callofdutymw2geek I heard this before, sounds very possible to me. The enemy in order to conquer would send in spies etc., and destroy then from the top down....it is said that Russell refruted FreeMasonary. And that he was buried beneath his garage, NOT at the cemetry for Masons....
I think it would be more like the enemy founded them from the inception and it's been run by them ever since and all honest hearted (usually ignorant) ones are all placed strategically around the enemy intelligence running it merely for posture and appearance (white washed graves full of dead men's bones). Any truly awake ones like Ray Franz who begin to see the abnormalcy from within are subsequently rejected as apostates.
But although I dis-agree with the WT on some things (I`m not a witness) I do beleive the Bible to a point, in that I believe it has indeed been corrupted down the centuries of translation. The WT says they go bakc to the original text to translate it, so? It can still be mis-represent it....so I was speaking that the Bible is pretty self sufficient re Basic things more, of course revelation is open to many thoughts. But certainly relevant.
When religious leaders mandate a belief system to the followers and then show on the very next page of their propaganda it cannot possibly be believed, this is called "cognitive dissonance." This is done to generate non-thinking followers who are always in need of further guidance:
"Jehovahs Witnesses believe the Bible to be Gods inspired Word" (Watchtower, April 15, 1996, p. 18).
"Bible translations themselves are not inspired by God" (Watchtower, April 15, 1996, p. 19).
I recently was flipping through a Watchtower( as I sometimes do to see what their doing now) and I saw an article subtly discouraging the reader from learning Greek. Could this be because they're afraid that people might see what the original text really says?
@tubian323 I cannot see that they would write an article telling people NOT to be taught Greek....when they say that Jesus himself spoke a kind of Greek (coini) probley not the correct spelling. Can you scan the article and email it to me? Thanks.
@tubian323 I was a witness for 20 years now not too disillusioned because the prophesies are debated, but that they don`t talk about the zionists etc.,
The death of the patient is caused, not because he/she refused blood transfusion, but by complications. Most doctors around the world agreed that it is not a reason to say that a patient died because of refusing blood transfusion nor he/she must accept blood transfusion just to revive. The refusal of blood transfusion is not done only by Jehovah's Witnesses. Many institutions, organizations, or the people in general are now choosing non-blood treatments and surgeries to avoid complications.
Choosing parts of blood is not necessarily the pure blood itself. In what we called the blood fractionation, blood can be divided in different fractions, like the plasma, the red blood cells, and white blood cells. Because of high-tech equipment, those tiny sections of blood can be splitted apart from the whole blood and can used for various medications. JW are coming up with wise decisions in choosing those fractions. Still, they do not accept the actual blood transfusions.
this reminds me of the Pharisees. How they added laws to laws, essentially, making their own law code that over governed the Jews. Note how Jesus attacked these very ones of that day who claimed to have all this spiritual insight, that did not exist. Blood fractions - where is that in the Bible??? How can this not be a RED FLAG to you??? It like saying oral sex is not sin because its not actually sex. JW's will eternally justify their beliefs, when they should really, REPENT!!!!
Ha! For years, the J-dubs prohibited oral sex - even within a marriage. That is, if hubby wanted a blow job, he could be disfellowshipped and his wife could seek a divorce. WTF?! Read all about it in w72 12/1 pp. 734-736.
For more fun, read Ray Franz's hilarious blow-by-blow (pun intended) description of the GB meeting that led up to that "Questions from Readers" article. Good times.
hey man i was a witness baptized at 10 almost 24 years ago. i know about isolation disfellowshiping disasociating and i can see why some people need support after leaving such an organization after growing up in it. That gets real painful. Its a real hollow feeling of needing to belong to something for a long time and realizing that you belong to yourself and god only no elders or ministerial servants, pioneers, overseers, overseers, overseers, that word always troubled me. very deep past times
Welcome to the real spirit and truth worship :) Now, you have an intimate everlasting relationship not based on being associated with men but direclty with the Father . This is the way we are to worship.
They can have access to any of those books at any time. There are no "secrets". You should be far more concerned with propoganda techniques used by your government in all aspects of media and indoctrination in public schools.
brainwashvictim 3 months ago
this technique is used by all governments... (remember the people are in charge of the government, not the other way around)
MashackBJJ 7 months ago
@MashackBJJ Ah yes - a government for the people by the people (even if "the people" are only a few elite). Watchtower Inc is no different. Thank you for pointing that out.
propagandatechniques 7 months ago
@propagandatechniques Yet it shouldn't be... A country that has no corruption (none today), Would not need to create such major social devides in itself. Take Sparta from ancient times. IF you were a citizen, you had one of two jobs (usually). To Kill others, or to make new Spartans. Everyone was educated in manners, writing, speech, dance, health, and combat. Revolution need to water the tree of democracy and create such a place once more.
MashackBJJ 6 months ago
You can handle the truth that easily, let me illustrate how, think you are from the dark place and seeking for the light instantly, what will happen? believe me you will blinded. Why? then as your doctor researcher...
darkeramain 7 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Harold Camping was RIGHT about May 21, click on my channel to see...
youneekk 8 months ago
And your point is??? Once they study a little bit they'll have access to these magazines. Where's the mistery??? "Cult" on wikipedia yet?
mastiffsito 9 months ago
@mastiffsito "Once they study a little bit they'll have access to these magazines."
Yes, and when they desire to bang on doors they get the "OD" book. Then when they desire to reach out for oversight they get the highly coveted "Flock book." And when they collect enough box tops they can get a Dick Tracy secret decoder ring. Where's the mystery?
propagandatechniques 9 months ago
@propagandatechniques exactly the secret decoder ring, the lodge collar pin and the book by J. Greber.....lol. LAGamer found the same fairies I did on the tract he posted on his vid.....if they just went a bit more new age membership would skyrocket. lol.....god's chanel?
thepixieful 6 months ago
@mastiffsito Now do you realy think God would withheld info from one and not to others. come on wake up! God will put no man above others! Stay away from religion!
europauluk 8 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Jesus taught his followers to go from house to house. He wants more people to become disciples. Jehovah's Witness are following Jesus our Lord. Read Acts 5:42, "...from house to house they continued ..declaring the good news about the Christ, Jesus." Acts14:21,"...making quite a few disciples,..." Acts 20:20-"...teaching you publicly and from house to house." Jesus commands his disciples to make more disciples. READ Matthew 28:19,20-"Go therefore and make disciples of people..."
eternityandforever 10 months ago
I am studying as well and i was thinking they are part of a political group ....... but after studying more than 2 years i could never find any thing more than studying the truth about bible and nothing else .... what they say is the truth and right and they only religion group who understood the truth about bible.....after being with them for more than 2 years and not finding any thing wrong with them i am thinking of baptise soon......
bawkiasmani 10 months ago
@bawkiasmani Watch more videos before getting baptized.
propagandatechniques 10 months ago
@bawkiasmani Ask your handlers if you can become a JW by studying only the bible and see what they tell you.
propagandatechniques 10 months ago
@bawkiasmani think really hard brfore you do it because once you get baptize you cant take it back. If you get baptize and then decide I think I will only go to the meetings on Sunday or I think I will not go door to door every month those Loving brothers will look at you differently and instead of long loving conversations you will get a passing wave until you do as you are told. I left and no one talks to me but my husband was never baptize and they talk with him all the time.
TheShelia6 8 months ago
@TheShelia6 i kinda like the idea of being able to go to the hall and not have people talking endlessly to me. i was disfellowshiped for a while and i liked being able to walk into the hall and sit down and take in a meeting and leave. nobody talked to me. (well occasionally someone would say something real quick like, 'its good to see you coming again.') for an anti-social person like me, being disfellowshiped was great. then i got reinstated and had to do stuff again.
thetruthrover 7 months ago
@bawkiasmani You get baptized in the name of the organization. You CANNOT be a witness on the bible alone. You get baptized, the WTS owns you. Please check out more facts first. Please.
Danmera 8 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Heed! Let's take notice of [The END] our time_ Mathew24:36-39
There are real understandings and hope profusely in God's Word, the Bible:
The world is managed_ 1John5:19 Revelation12:7-12
Major +/- occurrences_ Mathew24:7,8,10-14,21,22
Predicted changes in People’s behaviors_ 2Timothy 3:1-5
The True God will act soon_ Revelation16:13,14 Daniel2:44
We too must act so to be saved_ Revelation18:4 Zephaniah2:3 John17:3 Mathew6:9-11,33,34 Mark13:13
A New World, at hand Psalm37:9-11 2Peter3:8-13
plptous 11 months ago
im leaving you have helped me make up my mind,thank you!
raltine1 1 year ago
@raltine1 You're welcome. If you need further assistance, call 1-800-WHY-1914.
Craig
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
I went to the British version of Bethel in Mill Hill today they have a Miltary base right next door wander what thats for?
essy111 1 year ago
thanks for this
essy111 1 year ago
I have seen J.W.secretly buying Christmas toys for their kids,and some time celebrating birthdays.I feel they should reform their believes and remember
original sin is not in the flesh rather in our conscious -.J.W. are good people
with sincere hearts,but their are being mislead by long wolf elder.
humberlick 1 year ago
Actually I have been getting the study edition of the watchtower for months now. Im not a JW but they come by to give me the study edition as well as the public edition and the Awake magazine. I have also requested many of their different publication and they have always brought me everything I ask for. It doesnt seem like they are hiding to me. So stop hating on them, they are nice people.
koletoday 1 year ago
@koletoday Ask them for the publication "Shepherd the Flock of God" and then report back here with their response.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques They are pain in the @sses. I keep asking them to stop coming by and waking me up on my only day to sleep. I dont believe in god , I despise organized religion and I have no interest in them, especially after dating a JW and she was nuts. Pint blank period I live my life you live yours I dont encroach on your way of life dont encroach on mine. Do they respect that? NO. Maybe if Anubis and RA (my dogs) sink their teeth into their butt cheeks, then they will get my message.
96soloist 1 year ago
@koletoday yes well said my friend whats all this crap about JWs on here I have never met a bad one yet ,.they all seem nice to me ..these idiots that have nothing else to do but spend time putting other people down should go get a job or just get out more.
lpiuikk 1 year ago
@lpiuikk SUNNING CHILDREN 9/15/52 WT pp.703-4
"if children are of age, then there can be a departing and breaking of family ties in a physical way, because the spiritual ties have already snapped. If, because of acting according to the disfellowship order of the company of God's people, they become threatened with a withdrawal of the parental support, then they must be willing to take such consequences. Faithful family members must recognize and conform to the disfellowship order."
SpecialPioneerSmerf 1 year ago
@koletoday they are nice ppl for the most part just mislead..their religeon was started by a 33rd degree freemason who gained fame, sexual power and money through the church, also the founder distorted the bible to were the JW members would not understand it the way it should be understood, all of what im saying is documented
lyfe1zruff 1 year ago
@koletoday I was raised a Jehovah's Witness and I would scream from the rooftops DON'T DO IT!!!!
marquisdehulk 1 year ago
goes very smoothly. When I did this, the brothers were very nice... everything is kept private and they showed me from the scriptures my wrong doing and only wanted to help me get on a better path. Also, it's not like the elders drag you in there... you go by choice. It's up to each individual if they want to express anything to the elders. there is no forcing of it. than people become bitter like u. I was bitter for a time too, I spent 3 years away from it all... re-researched a lot of things.
NyquiStudios 1 year ago
@NyquiStudios Apparently you've never heard of when sisters are given a choice; "Tell us every intimate detail of your fornication, including where the other person put his fingers and mouth; or, face disfellowshipping for noncompliance."
Yes, tell the viewers the WHOLE "truth" when you talk about all the research you did. Tell them about the meetings where oral and anal sex is discussed in front of toddlers. Then, when you can honestly admit you don't know crap, get back in touch with me.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
actually it's funny you should ask me that. I was raised a witness, and have experienced what's it's like to be in front of 3 elders in a room with a parent discussing such matters. lol and it's not like how you make it seem. I know that elders are not perfect, yes it is intimadating, and a hard thing to do. Even embarressing perhaps. Since elders are not perfect I'm sure they've made many mistakes in meetings like these. If they conduct everything the way they are supposed to... it actually-
NyquiStudios 1 year ago
@NyquiStudios there just people trying there best to be good nothing more .they try ,.well done to them
lpiuikk 1 year ago
ive read the book theres nothing but boring stuff in there
NyquiStudios 1 year ago
@NyquiStudios Did you comprehend the part where the elders are admonished to determine from those accused of committing "porneia" (fornication) if actual fornication occurred? Have you considered what it must be like for three grown men to sit in a room with a minor and its father, questioning about sexual encounters in detail to determine if actual fornication occurred? I can produce three people right now who are willing to testify this happened to them because of that controlled publication.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
id like to read that book any where i can get a copy?
IDontDoDrumCovers 1 year ago
@IDontDoDrumCovers Google PATYATATF
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques couldnt find anything
IDontDoDrumCovers 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques found it
IDontDoDrumCovers 1 year ago
just becouse they use cult technikes to form their group , doesnt mean that waht they base upon their beliefs aren't true. You can have the truth, you can have good ideas..they you can form a cult around thise things using propaganda. Propaganda is neutral, it is the thing what you want to promote is important.
itsAndrogyn 1 year ago
@itsAndrogyn Yep. And when you take lots and lots of truth and lace it with mind control, that's called "Poisoning the Hamburger."
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@itsAndrogyn Propaganda used to deceive minds is deceptive no matter how much truth it is saturated with.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@itsAndrogyn When logical fallacies are being used to promote an agenda, all credibility in the ones using the logical fallacies is destroyed when it is discovered.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@itsAndrogyn Witnesses are told the issue of sovereignty arose in the garden where the serpent challenged God's right to rule; then, God decided to scrap the issue during (1) the flood of Noah's day; (2) Sodom and Gomorrah; and (3) theTower of Babel. I guess he forgot he was allowing Satan to rule mankind. =)
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
i found out also that this apostate were infiltrator have a mission which is connected to Jihad islamic movement and also to the Skinhead Neo_Nazi Gangster.No wonder they too much Jws.This people were disperate bcoz the think Jw will overthrow Mecca.OMG HOW shortminded this peoples. They dont know that the very secret of faith is peace and love. Whatever relegion is.
sanchezzar 1 year ago
@sanchezzar Can you please reword what you are saying here in something other than jibber jibe so it can be understood?
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
Megadeth WOOT!!!
iScreamAimandFire 1 year ago
For a person like me.. mind control simply does not exist.. I dont use my feelings to sense if these are wrong. I look @ the facts. Simply and plainly. I only started watching this youtube stuff from you and others just to let you have your best shot. It is very obvious to me that you simply have a deep seeded grudge. And you'll try and use any means necessary because the ends justify the means.. i spent 3 years of my life studying with an anointed one.. never again had i found someone so humble
AwakenGiovanni1000 1 year ago
@AwakenGiovanni1000 You studied with an anointed one? Really! Did he show you this scripture?
Mt 24:5 - "Many for shall come in the name of me, saying: I am the Anointed; and many they shall deceive... Lu 21:8 Not therefore go you after them." (Emphatic Diaglott)
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@AwakenGiovanni1000 Really? I was raised by one of the anointed. Exhibiting humility is not an indicator of lack of mind control. For that matter it's clear you're not looking at facts. You're blaming victims. For that matter if you were using facts instead of your emotion you wouldn't be attempting to minimize what he said by suggesting it all boils down to a grudge.
Quasiprophet 1 year ago
@Quasiprophet Facts huh... I am looking @ the facts.. I know this is out of a grudge.. Because if their is no God and their is no devil... why waste time trying to be right or wrong? Why try to denounce something that gives people hope and then offer them no hope.. This is a grudge and this person is angry.. You out up the front that your sincere and your doing this to help people.. but you know why you really do it.. your mad.. and your afraid..i havent been to the hall in 3 yrs. even i know
AwakenGiovanni1000 1 year ago
@AwakenGiovanni1000 Great. A Watchtower apologist that hasn't been to the hall in three years. You choose living in darkness over living in reality. See, the guilt you carry for not attending meetings I have been set free from. You can have the same freedom too, but you choose to live in the Watchtower darkness of "inactivity," which I call bullshit. Also, you didn't answer my other question - Did the anointed "teacher" show you the scripture I quoted above? (see "all comments")
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@AwakenGiovanni1000 If that is so, why didn't you address how the facts were wrong in your comment? You've shown no evidence for why it would be a grudge aside from your wishing it so. You don't waste time being right or wrong if there's no god or devil, because your morality isn't dependent on god or the devil. You don't need to be threatened with eternal nonexistence or offered eternal heaven or paradise in order to do what's right....
Quasiprophet 1 year ago
@AwakenGiovanni1000 The same people that buy into that are the same people that can look at how god in the bible is described, a god of malice and mass murder over his own pettiness, and say those are acts of a purely good being instead of psychosis. Do you do what's right only out of fear of punishment, or only for reward? We denounce it because it is a false hope....
Quasiprophet 1 year ago
@AwakenGiovanni1000 And we do offer hope, it's just not what you wish to hear. So I'm mad? I'm afraid? On what basis? Why would I need to be either of those things? Do you have any explanation or is that the only answer you can come up with? If you haven't been to the hall in three years and that's the only reason you've found, what keeps you from going back?
Quasiprophet 1 year ago
my answer was only meant to help you to understand Jw's have the same rights as the governments and corporation meaning they do not have to share everything with everyone.. You were attempting to use those rights as a lightning rod against jw's and strip them of their rights. You would only join the Jw's if you wanted to do Jehovah's will.. obviously their are lots of differences between jw's and other structures,,, this so happens to be a similarity based upon laws and principles =)
AwakenGiovanni1000 1 year ago
@AwakenGiovanni1000 What do you think of governments and corporations that take advantage of children, targeting them for recruitment purposes, then forcing them to remain inside with fear of shunning from other trapped family members and friends? Would you feel governments and corporations doing this are anything less than scum?
I will patiently await your response.
Craig
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques I think that if a person has the mindset that cares that much about what other people think they would be willing to continue doing something they knew was wrong just 2 please those other people.. that person would be in danger and taken advantage no matter where they were.. even if they were around someone who wasnt trying to take advantage of them they would still be lead around mindless because that person lacks the strength and ability to think for themselves.
AwakenGiovanni1000 1 year ago
@AwakenGiovanni1000 You completely dodged my question. You are not addressing the issue of overreaching adults targeting improvident children. I'll ask again:
What do you think of governments and corporations that take advantage of children, targeting them for recruitment purposes, then forcing them to remain inside with fear of shunning from other trapped family members and friends?
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@AwakenGiovanni1000 Do you understand that I asked you what you think of governments and corporations, and you then answered me with what you think of the PEOPLE the governments and corporations are taking advantage of? I'll ask again:
What do you think of GOVERNMENTS and CORPORATIONS that take advantage of CHILDREN, (so-called "mature" MINORS) targeting them for recruitment purposes, then forcing them to remain inside with fear of shunning from other trapped family members and friends?
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques I understand exactly what your asking. I also understand that you are trying to corner me and then say the Jw's are like that. This is simply not the truth though.. You dont have to be JW.. before you are baptized you understand the situation you are getting yourself into.. If a persons parents or family members absolutely forced them to be jw's then that is the fault of the parents.. not Jehovah or the elders or charles russell..
AwakenGiovanni1000 1 year ago
@AwakenGiovanni1000 You are under mind control. If you weren't, you would be able to answer my question. You are now the subject of my next video.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques You say I am under mind control. I have tested the quality of my faith and looked @ it from all standpoints.. even yours.. someone who uses cornering tactics in their arguements.. Someone who does that does not care whether they are right or wrong.. they simply want to seemingly win the arguement. You or someone you know may have been one of those kids pressured into being baptized and then shunned because you left. We're not under mind control.. lol..
AwakenGiovanni1000 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques you cant be disfellowshipped without being baptized.. and you cant b baptized without stating many times you understand all the consequences.. a person shouldnt feel forced to get baptized.. if they do thats their fault.. they should be baptized when they know they are ready.. not to please others or look good..
AwakenGiovanni1000 1 year ago
@AwakenGiovanni1000 Regardless, whether children, JWs, you or anybody else realizes it or not, when children are "encouraged" by adults, whether the child's parents or otherwise, to enter a lifelong contract with a "legal corporation (WTS)," it is a contract that is made for life. The United States Constitution supports an ancient common law called "Infancy Law Doctrine" that sees this as taking advantage of the child, because the child does not have the foresight, or hindsight, of an adult.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques I understand what you are saying.. But the watchtower tract society does not encourage people to do something so stupid to their children. That is a problem of parenting. You cannot blame that on the church the governments or anyone. Is Charles Russell's fault if a man decides to yell @ his kids.. certainly not.. although I know you would like it to be.. lol
AwakenGiovanni1000 1 year ago
@AwakenGiovanni1000 so what you are saying is that it is the Children's fault for getting baptized?....what about the ones that encourage them to do this before they are ready...they have no responsibility in the matter?
JanicelVindy 1 year ago
@AwakenGiovanni1000
So what you are saying is that these children will be victimized anyways so they might as well be victimized by The Watchtower.
Great argument.
dhamamy 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques What do i think of governments or corporations that do that.. i dont know of any that do that? Maybe you can name a specific government or corporation..
AwakenGiovanni1000 1 year ago
Well for one they will give you a study article if you ask for one. It just might be harder to understand for you. Second try going to the u.s. Government and asking for their charts and classified documents see how they respond or perhaps try going to the Vatican and reading all their books or how about you go to your boss @ work and ask for his tax documents. lol or employee list or maybe go to a corporate center and try to sit in on the managers meeting. lol
AwakenGiovanni1000 1 year ago
@AwakenGiovanni1000 I see. So now the Watchtower Society is just like other governments, religions and corporations. And how does this reasoning serve to convince me to want to join it?
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
Well based upon these cult functions I dont think any government, corporation, church or religion would prove to b anymore then a cult. Which means we would all be in a bad situation. lol
AwakenGiovanni1000 1 year ago
Im not a jehovah witness and I am allowed to order any book available, plus I am allowed to have watch tower copy when I want.
RebeccaThakur 1 year ago
@RebeccaThakur Really? I'll give you $1000.00 if you can get me a brand new copy of the book, "Pay Attention To Yourselves and To All the Flock."
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
i think abrook88 dnt no exactly the meaning of zachariah read the context for proper comprehension .
sanchezzar 1 year ago
i think abrook88 dnt no exactly the meaning of zachariah read the context for proper comprehension .
sanchezzar 1 year ago
only Jws can get their prayers answered by God....non JWs prayers are answered by the devil who can transform himself into an angel of light......
girlznguitarz 1 year ago
@girlznguitarz Is that really what you believe? That's so funny, because with my religion all our prayers are answered by god, and all Witness, or other cult worshipers who rely on a team of pre-selected 144 thousand people to determine what "God" says are answered by the Devil, who can transform into Don Knotts, that or a spilled glass of urine.
EmceAA 1 year ago
@EmceAA NOt at all, but I wanted that response, as this is what a JW told me just last week...that my prayers would not be answered by God as I am not a JW.
girlznguitarz 1 year ago
study edition is not available to the public then how did you get it? ppl only hear what they want they dont reason after that
doublebanabe 1 year ago
@doublebanabe I was a JW for 15 years. Now i'll ask you a question: How do you THINK I got it?
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques 15 years? anyone can get. its a study version but if you ask for it, we wont say no its"forbidden". in any case if you were for 15 years what made you stay for 15 years, 15 years is a long time to be in a religion without knowing its teachings.anyways you dont look like you were in it from birth so then i would ask you this were you brain washed into serving Jehovah or was it throw scriptures reasoning that you made your decision to come serve him be honest with yourself
doublebanabe 1 year ago
@doublebanabe Perhaps it's hard for you to understand that escaping this religion is comparable to chewing off your leg. Obviously, I didn't know all the esoteric teachings when I first entered it. After living the cult lifestyle for a while, it became evident something was not right; yet, I suppressed the feelings in order to maintain my social standing in what is an elitist cult. This means that the people in the cult believe they are somehow better than non-members. I'm glad to be out.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques of course something wasnt right. people striving to live by the bible have different conduct compared to those not practicing bible guidelines. Its evident as well that, not all witness do follow the bible principle;You my friend are an example of that, which is why you decided to dis-fellowship yourself. you wanted to experience live going against some teaching of the bible; in other words you chose to serve both the desire of the flesh and the spirit. you can only serve 1
doublebanabe 1 year ago
@doublebanabe
Do you have any proof that can support your comment ? From doublebanabe: " you wanted to experience live going against some teaching of the bible; in other words you chose to serve both the desire of the flesh and the spirit. you can only serve 1."
1914watcher 1 year ago
@doublebanabe Open your bible to Luke 22:14-23 and show me where Judas was dismissed or disfellowshipped? If Jesus had disfellowshipped or dismissed Judas, then why would the apostles be discussing who it was? It should have been obvious according to the Watchtower teaching?
2 Tim 3:16,17
1914watcher 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques who is above the GB? just would like to know. do they all have the same "ranking" in a board meeting. I know little me will never know....even if I was dusting for them........lol.
thepixieful 6 months ago
@doublebanabe So you can tell by simple physical genetic makeup who an who is not a Witness by birth?
all more compelling evidence that it should be outlawed.
EmceAA 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques off other witnesses?
girlznguitarz 1 year ago
Read Zechariah 11:10-13. It plainly says that Jehovah was sold out for 30 pieces of silver...yet we know that Jesus was sold for that amount: Conclusion? Jesus is Jehovah! Also Zechariah 12:10 states "They shall look up ME (Jehovah) the one they pierced and mourn for HIM...this at Armageddon. Jesus said the same text about himself in Rev 1:7 I decree that the JW organization shall cease to exist in Jesus' name! It is done!
abrook888 1 year ago
i really dont know about that I am not a jw nor belong to any organized religion i wish everyone peace and prosperity and happiness!
karenl1234 1 year ago
I went through a tornado and divorce at the same time and not one person from any church offered to help but the mennonites who had a grant from fema. as a divorced woman Ive been ridiculed by all religious organizations my x disliked the jw and they would not leave us alone! they like so many can go to other countries but not help fellow americans in their time of need! most witness Ive meet are ok its a personal decision all organized religion is manipulative but they r freemason influence.
karenl1234 1 year ago
@karenl1234 Do all organized religions order children to shun their own parents?
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques
@karenl1234 Do all organized religions order children to shun their own parents?
propagandatechniques 2 weeks ago
Thats funny then why do you see witnesses being obedient and as well in Ephesians it says obey your parents Eph 6:1 im sure every other christains knows this plus its common for children to obey there parents. so you make it sound like its orders giving there is no order its all a mater of free will with in the boundaries of the bible
doublebanabe 1 year ago
@doublebanabe Would it be possible to write in complete sentences, with periods and capital letters where appropriate? It's a courtesy in communication to do so. If you cannot do this, don't bother replying anymore.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@propagandatechniques if you cant make sense of what i said, then you lack intelligence.
doublebanabe 1 year ago
WATCH ......RING OF POWER .....PARTS 1- 29
TheVipernick 1 year ago
Wow. 1:23, the light gets brighter!LOL. seriously though, I'm sick of Watchtower lies.
PuNkOfNiCe 1 year ago
WOw UNbelievable!! You fools still fall for these religious books? Does believing in an imaginery 'father' in the sky make you feel better about you pathetic existence here?
Do somthing with your life, your not a god damn drone. Think4Urself.
armenof 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques When the NWO comes for you...who will pray for you? Not me. And don't give me the crap that the WT is the NWO...I've seen your BS on that too!
usedbrain 1 year ago
The "organized" book is not a secret book only for members!
usedbrain 1 year ago
LOL...still at the big 'ol lies I see. The study copies are freely available for download to anyone who wishes at jw,org! There is nothing secret. Anyone can request a copy at any time. How you can keep putting your face to outright lies is truly amazing!
usedbrain 1 year ago
@usedbrain
Ok, I'm lying. right. Here's a quote from your handlers:
*** w08 1/15 p. 3 The New Study Edition of The Watchtower ***
"The study edition is published for Jehovah’s Witnesses and progressive Bible students."
Now, since the subject of this video is secrecy among Jehovah's witnesses, perhaps you can explain the secrecy of a judicial committee meeting where none of the nominal members know what happens to ones before they are difellowshipped.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@propagandatechniques Just because it is not intended for general distribution does not mean that it is "secret"! It can be downloaded at this moment by anyone. If someone asked me for a copy, there is no injunction forbidding me to give anyone a copy. You are disingenuous in your assertion.
usedbrain 1 year ago
@usedbrain The language that is used in the Study Article is more pointed to people who already have background in what is being discussed. I personally prefer having the more pointed and direct language that I understand. Many times in the past, people would read some of the "deeper" study articles, before the change in format, and be confused because they did not have a basis of understanding the nuances...the very nuances that you very cleverly seek to twist.
usedbrain 1 year ago
@usedbrain
I am sorry that you feel I am twisting things. What you call "nuances" others that combat cult mind control identify as part of a loaded language scheme to isolate the minds of the members from the outside world psychologically. When a religious group incorporates a unique language of terms and phrases and then reinforces them with exclusive literature, this is perceived as a criterion of cult mind control.
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
cool music good formation, thanks i have been questioning this organization and its intentions
CONCUSSION187 1 year ago
good twisting of the scriptures
shemybill15 1 year ago
@shemybill15
Yes, they are the experts at twisting scriptures. They somehow found a way to pass this one right under their mind controlled slaves noses:
Mt 24:5 - "Many for shall come in the name of me, saying: I am the Anointed; and many they shall deceive... Lu 21:8 Not therefore go you after them." (Emphatic Diaglott)
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@shemybill15
I have a very simple question for you:
Can you please tell me from the following quote what "purpose" the mega mansion supposedly purposed to house returning patriarchs that in reality housed 'Judge' Joseph Rutherford "fully" served?
"The board of directors . . . decided to sell Beth-Sarim. Why? . . . It had fully served its purpose . . ." (Proclaimers, p. 76).
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
detailairbrushing BROTHERS DON'T EVEN ENTERTAIN THIS TWISTED GARBAGE.
Matthew 7:6 6 Do not give what is holy to dogs, neither throw YOUR pearls before swine, that they may never trample them under their feet and turn around and rip YOU open."
Abviously anyone who puts so much effort into twisting truth, has bad motives. (repeat this message on all these videos
gizzygiz56 1 year ago
its the same reason they won't allow recording of judicial meetings.
bababybwoo 2 years ago 2
@bababybwoo wow. that must be against Jesus.....
girlznguitarz 2 years ago
@girlznguitarz no its not.
bababybwoo 2 years ago
@bababybwoo being `secretive` is against Jesus is what I meant, sorry I guess I didn`t explain properly
girlznguitarz 2 years ago
woops. gotcha.
bababybwoo 2 years ago
@bababybwoo good you`re learning : )
girlznguitarz 2 years ago
that's what happened to my dad when they went over his head to fire him with no warning. He still thinks it's the truth.
bababybwoo 2 years ago
I just think the WT is the disgusting thing standing in the temple. Here Jesus came and set up a direct connection with God and then Russel comes along and puts back the Jewish through which they have to go to be approved and to judge them. So, it's like what Jesus builds up, the WT tears down. It's funny when they say that they are 'the truth' because they do as the ancients did but if you point out where they don't, they say they are "progressive".
bababybwoo 2 years ago
How do you get those bubbles to come out of your right ear?
Ushawn 2 years ago 2
People always talk about rev. bieng about the end times when realy it was about there time they were unhappy with rome and predicted a war in mount miggeto.between christians and rome.But people today find it nice to use it as a tool to scare the crap out of people lol.
callofdutymw2geek 2 years ago
@callofdutymw2geek might be some paralells there but revelation is still happening. Have the dead been raised yet? No.....I think also the scripture that says "God will bring to ruin those ruining the earth"...well that didn`t happen yet either, and it`s only in these days that man has the technological capacity to ruin the earth, nuclear war weapons, like WMD (like what they didn`t have in Iraq)...pollution, poisoned seas etc.,
girlznguitarz 2 years ago
"only in these days . . ruin the earth"
Actually, you're not entirely correct. It did happen at least once (before flood) - and in reading Enoch possibly twice. Perhaps even on Mars in the way distant past.
So, to suggest that man only has the technological capacity to ruin the earth now is a fallacy.
(Genesis 6:11) . . .And the earth came to be ruined in the sight of the [true] God. . .
Read Enoch GnG.
Craig
propagandatechniques 2 years ago
good point but revelation is well `after` the flood but I see your point
girlznguitarz 2 years ago
They way rev. was writen it will be easy for anyone at any point in history to identify with its storys cause there will always be wars there will always be natural disasters religion will always be under persecution truth be told it was a failed prophecy learn were the word armagedon comes from it comes from the meaning of mount miggeto he was simply trying to discribe a war in the near future because at the time christians were leaving the area due to persecution .
callofdutymw2geek 2 years ago
If you were to learn the history and orgins of all religions you would awake.
callofdutymw2geek 2 years ago
I`m sure
girlznguitarz 2 years ago
@archeng123 Do you not think, that if God wrote the Bible (or at least provided others to write down his words) there would need to be `interpretation`....surely God would have made it understandable b all....so if the Bible is true, it needs NO interpretation. I think for example the Ten Commandments are pretty easy to understand. Thous shalt not kill, for example...very plain to know what it means. Shame the governments don`t understand this 6th commandment.
girlznguitarz 2 years ago
This is one of the cases of cognitive dissonance many cult religions will inject their members' minds with; "The bible is complete and all that is necessary for understanding God and life itself", Yet, "The bible is not for private interpretation and must be studied with the use of bible study aids." so, is it complete or not? We'll have to "wait on Jehovah," or wait for "new light," whichever comes first. =)
propagandatechniques 2 years ago
The bible is inspired by God. God said so right in the bible. God is going to destroy all who fail to use proper punctuation on this channel's videos.
propagandatechniques 2 years ago
@propagandatechniques Yes I agree God is very particular about punctuation....however; what`s interesting is Biblical Prophesy coming true, even non-religionists are seeing this...whats your take on this?
girlznguitarz 2 years ago
Please cite an example of "Bible Prophesy [sic] coming true" (girlznguitarz) and I will gladly give you my take on it.
Thanks,
Craig
propagandatechniques 2 years ago
The four horsemen of the apocylipse .....?
girlznguitarz 2 years ago
You must first explain to me how this bible prophecy came true before I can give my take on it. Thanks.
propagandatechniques 2 years ago
@propagandatechniques It hasn`t been fulfilled, I`d say: It`s `being` fulfilled....but we are defo going towards the NWO, satan setting up a counterfeit kingdom...that`s my take on it....but open to hear yours, and we are heading towards a facist regime....and the 666 in revelation....ID chips....neither buy nor sell etc.,
girlznguitarz 2 years ago
Check out my faved vid "deconstructing judicial committee" and see how the elder body operates clandestinely, disallowing public trials under the guise of "protecting the congregation," clear evidence of miscarriage after miscarriage of justice - all being done in secret. Watch that vid to see - WTS is the totalitarian government of NWO. Both made by freemasons. One makes the problems, the other offers the "only solution." Also, see my vid "November 5, 2017" for my opinion. Lata, GnG.
propagandatechniques 2 years ago
@propagandatechniques
the real question is does the books refer to the bible? does anything in the book mislead you morally or spiritually?
teddet87 2 years ago
teddet,
1) Yes.
2) Yes. The books themselves are part of the internal statecraft being used on the victims to slowly instill in them an elitist mentality. The higher up the ladder you climb, the more severe the elitist mentality.
Thanks for your interest.
propagandatechniques 2 years ago
@teddet87 i like your interest in the subject. If you would really like to find out, find out for yourself. Study a book and read the scriptures. Don't rely on the words of men.
gizzygiz56 1 year ago
@gizzygiz56
You said, "Don't rely on the words of men."
That's really wise advice. So many people fall into the trap of following men. By the way:
The Watchtower - God's Word or Man's?
propagandatechniques 1 year ago
@gizzygiz56 They are all the words of men, and that is the point.
tranceman22 1 year ago
Russel was a free mason who wanted to make money off of fools he said the end was close and alot of people sold there homes and pos.and gave it to the watchtower oc.He didnt think the suckers would come back they did even after they changed there name and russel died and a new mason took over people dont understand that free masons have taken over almost every religion and the top people bords comitiy ext are all masons in control for that tax free money its also true for the gov. as well.
callofdutymw2geek 2 years ago
. . .and the UN. Can't forget them. The masons established that along with the state of Israel.
propagandatechniques 2 years ago
@callofdutymw2geek I heard this before, sounds very possible to me. The enemy in order to conquer would send in spies etc., and destroy then from the top down....it is said that Russell refruted FreeMasonary. And that he was buried beneath his garage, NOT at the cemetry for Masons....
girlznguitarz 2 years ago
I think it would be more like the enemy founded them from the inception and it's been run by them ever since and all honest hearted (usually ignorant) ones are all placed strategically around the enemy intelligence running it merely for posture and appearance (white washed graves full of dead men's bones). Any truly awake ones like Ray Franz who begin to see the abnormalcy from within are subsequently rejected as apostates.
propagandatechniques 2 years ago
@propagandatechniques I agree here with you.
But although I dis-agree with the WT on some things (I`m not a witness) I do beleive the Bible to a point, in that I believe it has indeed been corrupted down the centuries of translation. The WT says they go bakc to the original text to translate it, so? It can still be mis-represent it....so I was speaking that the Bible is pretty self sufficient re Basic things more, of course revelation is open to many thoughts. But certainly relevant.
girlznguitarz 2 years ago
When religious leaders mandate a belief system to the followers and then show on the very next page of their propaganda it cannot possibly be believed, this is called "cognitive dissonance." This is done to generate non-thinking followers who are always in need of further guidance:
"Jehovahs Witnesses believe the Bible to be Gods inspired Word" (Watchtower, April 15, 1996, p. 18).
"Bible translations themselves are not inspired by God" (Watchtower, April 15, 1996, p. 19).
propagandatechniques 2 years ago
Whats the bet it is called 'Damage Control Directive'...
JustUsIce 2 years ago
I recently was flipping through a Watchtower( as I sometimes do to see what their doing now) and I saw an article subtly discouraging the reader from learning Greek. Could this be because they're afraid that people might see what the original text really says?
tubian323 2 years ago
@tubian323 I cannot see that they would write an article telling people NOT to be taught Greek....when they say that Jesus himself spoke a kind of Greek (coini) probley not the correct spelling. Can you scan the article and email it to me? Thanks.
girlznguitarz 2 years ago
I'm not sure how to scan an article, sorry. But I do agree with you about Greek. I was only specualting.
tubian323 2 years ago
@tubian323 I was a witness for 20 years now not too disillusioned because the prophesies are debated, but that they don`t talk about the zionists etc.,
girlznguitarz 2 years ago
I heard a new term for the "study edition": the Kool Aide edition. HA!
tubian323 2 years ago
Lol! good one! Freaking Moonie impersonators.
propagandatechniques 2 years ago
The death of the patient is caused, not because he/she refused blood transfusion, but by complications. Most doctors around the world agreed that it is not a reason to say that a patient died because of refusing blood transfusion nor he/she must accept blood transfusion just to revive. The refusal of blood transfusion is not done only by Jehovah's Witnesses. Many institutions, organizations, or the people in general are now choosing non-blood treatments and surgeries to avoid complications.
philjoshvideo 2 years ago
What are some complications that can happen in a surgery?
Who are "most" of these doctors?
Refusal is still done by JWs.
Now a JW is able to chose parts of blood, which still in essence is having blood.
NeoNikkiChan 2 years ago
Choosing parts of blood is not necessarily the pure blood itself. In what we called the blood fractionation, blood can be divided in different fractions, like the plasma, the red blood cells, and white blood cells. Because of high-tech equipment, those tiny sections of blood can be splitted apart from the whole blood and can used for various medications. JW are coming up with wise decisions in choosing those fractions. Still, they do not accept the actual blood transfusions.
philjoshvideo 2 years ago
/watch?v=949n_xH9nso
NeoNikkiChan 2 years ago
this reminds me of the Pharisees. How they added laws to laws, essentially, making their own law code that over governed the Jews. Note how Jesus attacked these very ones of that day who claimed to have all this spiritual insight, that did not exist. Blood fractions - where is that in the Bible??? How can this not be a RED FLAG to you??? It like saying oral sex is not sin because its not actually sex. JW's will eternally justify their beliefs, when they should really, REPENT!!!!
originalcountrysongs 2 years ago
Ha! For years, the J-dubs prohibited oral sex - even within a marriage. That is, if hubby wanted a blow job, he could be disfellowshipped and his wife could seek a divorce. WTF?! Read all about it in w72 12/1 pp. 734-736.
For more fun, read Ray Franz's hilarious blow-by-blow (pun intended) description of the GB meeting that led up to that "Questions from Readers" article. Good times.
jtgunz 2 years ago
hey man i was a witness baptized at 10 almost 24 years ago. i know about isolation disfellowshiping disasociating and i can see why some people need support after leaving such an organization after growing up in it. That gets real painful. Its a real hollow feeling of needing to belong to something for a long time and realizing that you belong to yourself and god only no elders or ministerial servants, pioneers, overseers, overseers, overseers, that word always troubled me. very deep past times
ronburgunify 2 years ago
Welcome to the real spirit and truth worship :) Now, you have an intimate everlasting relationship not based on being associated with men but direclty with the Father . This is the way we are to worship.
shakibibi 2 years ago