Gundam Seed Destiny: Awaken Shinn Asuka

[SaitoIkari]

man it isnt right without the swear in "aw shit" lol

[africanninja23]

shinn is a bitch the guy from gundam wing would kill shinn in two seconds

[fluglenkligen]

um... y is it u hav wen shinn first has hes seed but not kiras? XD

i just wanna know the music played wen kira has his first seed D:

[chaniey01]

seed rules the other gundam series are boring...

[ponkadolz]

when freedom vs impulse took place, kira thought he destroyed impulse because he didn't know anything about the ms.. while shin studied freedom even the pilot's tendencies very well with the help of his boyfriend rey.. if you think it through, that fight was more on shin's advantage because kira was on the defensive and have AA in mind while shin only aims to kill kira.. and impulse got destroyed first but was resupplied by minerva so it's more like a 1v2 rather than a 1v1 match..

[ponkadolz]

and the part where impulse cockpit rammed freedom's shield and used vulcan cannon to destroy it was a dirty trick.. if kira did want to kill shin, he could have easily cut it to pieces with beam saber.. the first part of the fight goes to kira, while the second part where his shield was destroyed and impulse got resupplied was clearly on shin..but that match, does not, in any way, indicate that shin is better than kira.

[Weltall8000]

Let's keep in mind that Freedom still has more simultaneous weapons, unlimited power (for all intents and purposes), and HiMAT for greater maneuverability.

If a fighter is disarmed of his sword, then throws a dagger at his opponent to throw him off balance and pick up his sword again, how is that wrong? You basically argue whether or not this is "fair" on the presumption that Kira is fighting completely fair. Kira's MS is significantly better than Shinns. For aforementioned reasons while Shinn

[Weltall8000]

has to work with what he's got, creatively, to overcome this pilot and his superior MS. I could just as easily say Kira is fighting unfairly because he has a better MS.

You SAY he could have easily killed him, but you can merely say that, you have nothing to support that assertion.

How does the first part of the fight go to Kira, when the move you seem to think won it for Kira, was counterattacked without missing a beat and knocked Kira so off balance he crashed into the ground?

[Weltall8000]

The second half of the fight, Shinn was beating Kira down, Kira was hardly able to keep from getting smashed multiple times, he was on the ropes. If you want to say Shinn's resupply was what divides the two parts of the fight, Shinn wins them both. As Kira's been sent off balance in the first, and Kira's MS destroyed in the second.

[Weltall8000]

When does he give any indication that he though he destroyed Impulse? And even if he did, he fails at keeping up with the battle as it clearly wasn't destroyed.

AA was fully aware of Impulse's modular design as seen in GSD 32 when the even identify the incoming (and not yet formed) Impulse as "four heat sources."

Nothing indicates Shinn and Rey were boyfriends. But cheap shots at irrelevant character traits aside, Kira had every opportunity AND reason to do the same for Impulse.

[Weltall8000]

Actually from Kira's point, it should have become clear that he couldn't escape to AA from Impulse as Impulse kept him fenced in and restricted from AA. It would seem Kira caught on and realized he needed to take care of Impulse first before he could get to AA. Which he fails to do because Shinn is matching him, then beating him down. Impulse was not destroyed as it clearly still had the ability to fight on

During duels knights would often have squires hand them weaponry, was that frowned upon?

[ponkadolz]

there's a big difference between dueling knights and dueling ms.. the impulse WAS destroyed, the only ability to figt you are talking about is the cockpit.. if it was anyone other than kira fighting shin that time he wolud have been toast.. but because kira is a pussy, he just block him with a shield.. even with SF vs destiny, kira had the chance to pwn shin but didn't.. you recon the pointblank rail cannon shot? shin even said had that been a beam it'll be over.. sigh

[ponkadolz]

anyway, the fact that kira is indeed THE ultimate coordinator makes him the default best coordinator ever.. although athrun proved to be more skilled than kira because he had more training. as for shin, he's an excellent pilot but easily manipulated by others.. tbh, you can only know who is better by asking the CREATORS of GSD.. presumming things based on how you perceive it doesn't really matter that much.

[Weltall8000]

Ultimate Coordinator means he has all the intended traits his creators wanted him to have, uninfluenced by the womb of a mother. Essentially, the ideal designer baby. He isn't a god and UC really doesn't carry as much weight as you seem to believe it does. Perhaps you should actually understand the terms you use.

Funny thing is, right after making your assertion about UC > all, you talk about how Athrun is better than Kira in some capacity.

You speak as if (even if we assumed) Shinn was easily

[Weltall8000]

manipulated, that it would actually have any bearing on his skill as a pilot.

Then right there, everything you've been arguing has been completely pointless by your own admission.

[Weltall8000]

And that difference is? Both are warriors enclosed in armor that are fighting one another. I suppose the difference between this and a proper duel is that, this an actual battle not a duel. In which case, things such as fairness and chivalry don't really matter

Impulse was not destroyed, as Impulse consists of multiple fliers which can link up with one another, so long as the Core Splendor remains intact with Shinn, Impulse is not destroyed. Some individual parts were destroyed, but not Impulse

[Weltall8000]

as a whole. We see that Impulse continued the fight and finished it, Impulse's ability to fight was not removed.

So do you imply that any other pilot out there is better than Kira? As anyone else would be able to succeed where Kira failed according to you.

Not sure if you actually watched the fight, but Kira blocked AND countered with his beam saber.

Actually, Kira didn't as he had no available beam weapons to strike Destiny with in that particular clash under those circumstances.

[ponkadolz]

being a UC means being superior to all coordinators in many(if not all) things in general.. because if not, then what's the point of being a UC? coordinator were genetically enhanced people so that they excel on many things so it goes without saying that being the ULTIMATE coordinator he potentially excels on everything. but then again, the only ones who can confirm this are the creators of GS and GSD. because like, i'm only saying what i think.

[ponkadolz]

i meant like you, i only say what i think what is and what isn't. the gods of CE are the creators and they decide which is which. so even if it hurts your pride, you have to admit that anything you come up with is nothing more than presumptions. because other people see it on a different light, it depends if you are a kiratard, a shintard or a neutral GS/GSD fan.

[Weltall8000]

Indeed they do, and they made this show which demonstrates Kira not being a superior MS pilot to Shinn or Athrun (assuming Athrun is actually in Seed Mode and willing to fight).

My pride isn't hurt because I'm going on what their anime shows us.

Simply because there is an alternative perspective, it doesn't make it equally valid.

[Weltall8000]

No actually it does not. Feel free to check Gundam Official's > Cosmic Era > Glossary of Terms > Ultimate Coordinator. You are wrong. In terms of Coordinator technology, sure it is the best method for getting the desired traits, but it does not make the child the best at everything.

If we look at this like a Nature vs Nurture argument you are saying that Nature dictates 100% of the person's ability, rather than accepting that Nurture also plays a significant role in the person's ability.

[Weltall8000]

Even at the Nature level, Kira isn't necessarily better in all capacities. But even that aside, when we come to the Nurture (which means the environment and experiences of their life) we have some who have honed their skills and are better at certain things than Kira. In this case, piloting, Shinn and Athrun are better pilots than Kira. Kira'd probably wipe the floor with them at computer programming. Mu and Athrun are better marksmen than Kira, Waltfeld can make better coffee than Kira, etc.

[Weltall8000]

You can't just sit here and say, "Kira's UC, therefore > everyone else at anything."

You are taking the name "Ultimate Coordinator" too literally and using it to express a concept that isn't really the case.

Once again, if you want to talk out of the side of your mouth like that, what's the point in talking about the subject at all if you yourself don't think what you say matters?

[ponkadolz]

i wasn't saying kira>everyone else at anything, i said POTENTIALLY, but he can't possibly do everything, could he? he's just one person afterall.. and if you remember the time in GS where cagalli talk to kira about being a coordinator and how they are superior, kira told her that they need training too.. so even if he has the potential, other coordinator still could be better than him in a respective field if they had more training..

[Weltall8000]

Which is exactly why your argument that "because Kira's UC, he's better" fails. As I've pointed out, in piloting we have Athrun and Shinn as better pilots than Kira, probably because they worked harder at it, but either way, at the end of the day, they are superior to him in that regard.

If you agree with that, then the entire UC argument is irrelevant by your own admission.

[kcz9271992]

his voice sound like the voice of van from zoids

[kira2581]

it is van. confirmed on wikipedia

[jyto56]

lol give him what he wants....

[twotonesamurai]

im sorry but anyone who doesnt see how much of a bad ass shinn is or questions his skill as a pilot is a fucking idiot

shinn asuka= pwnage x3

[ponkadolz]

1. Kira only had minor military training in the school wjere he made friends with Athrun. They were kids back then.

2. Shin is a soldier trained to kill.

3. Kira refuses to kill anymore.

4. Shin took advantage of kira's "NO KILLING" policy.

5. Kira got owned because he's a pussy but the doesn't make shin A LOT BETTER than him.

last but not least, Athrun beat them both.. he beat kira fair and square, while he whopped shin's sorry ass without even going seed mode.. HA! sucks to be shin! =p

[GundamKnight07]

Good Point

[Weltall8000]

1) A moot point by about half way through GS, let alone GSD.

2) Indeed he is, however keep in mind, Kira is also a war veteran by GSD.

3) Kira still kills occasionally after getting Freedom and into GSD.

4) In the fight of 34, initially, sure, by midfight, Kira was taking cockpit shots, so at that point, no

5) Wasn't about him being a pussy or not, he was simply outclassed by Shinn's piloting

When Athrun beat Shinn in GSD 50, Shinn was having a mental breakdown AND Athrun was in Seed in the end

[ThePizzadawg]

heh, since when did Shinn NOT have a mental breakdown during any fight scene in GSD? But let's say you got a point. But:

GS-season 1: Strike vs. Aegis; Athrun totally lost it (proof that he lost it: he was trying to kill KIRA his-best-friend/lover YAMATO); and he kicked Kira's butt fair and square, UNDISPUTED.

Now, do you really think Shinn, even with his SEED on, can beat CRAZY-Athrun, who, btw, isn't as predictable as Kira who only aims for the limbs?

[Weltall8000]

Why, the first 49 episodes of GSD, Shinn doesn't have mental breakdowns during fights.

Athrun didn't lose it, he blew up his MS to destroy Strike and presumably kill Kira. Indeed, I agree, he beat him.

"Crazy-Athrun" is "mentally regressed Athrun" who gets his MS wrecked in GSD 28. GS 30 Athrun, was "good pilot-Athrun."

[ThePizzadawg]

errrr... Athrun wasn't even try to fight Kira, cuz Athrun never would have thought Kira would get serious again after their fight back in GS-season 1. But Athrun totally messed up cuz he didn't think Cagali was so bothered and depressed and it got to Kira.

It wasn't a "crazy athrun", it was a "trust kira too much" Athrun.

Athrun is consistently the best pilot in the SEED universe in terms of tactical judgment - people keep forgetting that he was the captain of a ZAFT "red team" back in GS-1.

[Weltall8000]

Indeed, Athrun was not trying to fight Kira. Which is why I don't sit there and argue that this particular instance is reflective of Athrun's skill. He lost, but that wasn't his best at all.

Pick your prefix, either way, Athrun wasn't his best, which is my point.

Athrun is a horrible leader and it isn't really so much his tactics often times, its simply a matter of having more skill than most of his opponents. I do believe Athrun is either #1 or #2 in terms of skill of animated CE pilots along

[ThePizzadawg]

mental break down or not, in GSD 50, the Destiny, with its wing of light system on, was charging at full speed towards Luna and Athrun while performing its special "palm cannon" attack...

I am pretty sure Shinn going crazy didn't slow down the Destiny's wing of light at all...

1. you can say Shinn's smart, but you can't deny Shinn won cuz he exploited Kira's kindness by studying the Freedom

2. you can't deny that Athrun doesn't have the same weakness.

Conclusion: Athrun always beat Shinn

[Weltall8000]

So, how does that make Shinn not crazy, or fighting to the best of his ability?

I never said it did slow down the Destiny, however, it doesn't show him piloting the thing very well.

1 Shinn generally is smart, however, GSD 50 was uncharacteristically stupid of him.

2 Where is there an instance of him having a mental breakdown, in which he grabs beam sabers with his MS's hands and kicks another one?

We don't have a good fight to indicate which is more skilled...plus go watch GSD 36.

[ThePizzadawg]

ah...i see...we have a shinn fan here....

Hey, i like shinn, but the thing is, most people say Shinn only lost to Athrun cuz he had a mental breakdown. When Kira and Athrun have a mental breakdown, they become invincible gods; my rhetorical question is: does Shinn?

And about your counter to my point, I was basically saying, Athrun destroyed Destiny - a faster MS with Wings of Light on - that shows how good Athrun is, it was Athrun vs. Wings of light; Shinn going nutz didn't slow his MS down

[Weltall8000]

I don't really identify myself as a Shinn fan actually.

Kira doesn't have a mental breakdown in a MS. When he fights Rau he's angry, not having a breakdown, granted he had ridiculous plot shielding to not die there. Once again, Athrun did not have a mental breakdown when he beat Strike in GS. Being angry is not to be confused with mentally breaking down. The answer to your "rhetorical question" would be no, but so too would it be for Athrun and Kira.

No, it doesn't. Kira rushed Providence

[Weltall8000]

flying straight through the DRAGOON fire then impaled Providence...after tanking a shot directly to his cockpit that really should have killed him, then not getting blown up, despite GENESIS's beam flying right next to his MS (which has been shown to annihilate warships by even being near them).

It was Athrun vs mentally regressed Shinn. Destiny is faster than IJ, but just because its a faster MS doesn't somehow mean it should automatically win via essentially a blind charge.

[ThePizzadawg]

I guess, um...I really do like Shinn, I think his character kicks ass I mean who else would (dare to) say this to Kira and Freedom: "I will beat you, right here right now!" He has the most heart of all the SEED characters.

But...

There is just no way Shinn can beat either Kira or Athrun when everything else is equal, K+A are in a totally different league. Even with SEED on, Shinn can only just hold his own against Kira (remember that time when Kira mocked him with the rail guns?)

[Weltall8000]

Look at GSD 34. That fight Shinn beat Kira, with Kira still having the advantage in MS performance. In that fight, we have a relatively fair fight (with Kira even still having some advantage due to MS) and Shinn pulls out ahead. Kira is not in a league above Shinn.

43, in which, Shinn was not in Seed mode at the time Kira does that, though Kira was. After that, when Shinn goes Seed mode, he fought Kira to a stalemate, despite missing multiple weapons. Kira couldn't have killed him there anyway.

[BlissKira]

But you have to admit, Athrun had a shit load more training, and Im guessing Shin had close to the same amount, which make Athrun better than Shin, but Kira was a BORN ultimate coordinator, and he just jumped into the MS and kicked ass.

[Newtamaki]

When I first saw this,I was like''holy fuck,hes a goner''then he goes seed mode I threw out soda from my moth in shock like''Him too??''His seed activation is more brighter,and more entertaining then kira's or athrun's.

[shinn59]

HE IS STRONGER TO KIRA IS JUST NOTHING

[lemaitredeschiottes]

awsome

[DarkKnight506]

"Ahh SHIT!"

[xGaiDaigoji]

Shinn rules! Kira sucks!

[Newtamaki]

Agreed :)

[shinn59]

shinn is the best pilot and not kira in real if they all fight with zaku i think sven from c.e.73 stargazer will win kira is nothing he is noob wont die can onl use gundam with nice beams and speed athrun can use all shinn can use gundams with sword and gun sven can use gundam with gun sven owns

[animeownage86]

Your a rambling idiot who gives all seed fans a bad name.

[halorulesyourface]

this was when gundam seed destiny was good; it really emphasized shinn's growth and potential as a hero.

the only reason why i liked the later episodes was because of the gundams--those were awesome. but there was just so much bias and bullshit towards kira and athrun, and i really wanted shinn and rey to win

[animeownage86]

I hated Ray with a passion bigest douche bag ever. Shinn turned into a brainless retard because of him.

[twotonesamurai]

rei was cool in the beginning i actually really liked him

but he became a twat after he got legend manipulating shin all the time

but shin i always liked eve when he portrayed as the sorta anti hero

he's the best pilot in CE so much rage so little mobile suits to take it out on lol

[ronnor001]

Wait wait wait...betraying friends for personal gain? manipulating people to destory enemies? Clone of Rau? Why he sounds like best idea Gundam has come up with since the Gundam Turn A. Yes it looks weird but it was made by the same guy who made most of the stuff for Blade Runner so that just makes it badd-ass. Very realistic too.

[twotonesamurai]

come again you lost me?????

[shinn59]

yea ur right he is better then kira 100 times if kira use strike and fight with these gundams he is going to lose because he is nooob he cant use gundams without a very fast likes at episode somewhere in the 30 returning of kira for his strike freedom he fight with a zaku with strike he lose

[twotonesamurai]

its a shame he was actually really good with the strike in the beginning of SEED and was actually quite a good character thats the sad thing

it just shows that since he got freedom and got all those targeting aids and other handicaps he cant perform at the same lvl as he did before without them and shows that all the stuff he's done is freedoms doing not his

only god know how shit he'd be in a zaku or a gouf which are actually really good suits just he fails unlike athrun who can pwn in anything

[chaos35789]

the os was for the strike was also at fault because kira (i think) never adjusted the os good enough so it was still at a regular coordinater lvl at best

[animeownage86]

Targeting aids? You try aiming Full burst mode which is 5 to 13 weapons manually depending on wither hes using the Freedom or Strike Freedom. Hes not a Newtype and cant do that shit with his mind like them. Just lay off with that shit Im tiered of hearing people bring that up people dont bitch about zero system and thats a hundred times worse. A system thats suppose to be impossible to use that guarantees victory.

[twotonesamurai]

actually that system is impressive to master though cos if you use it and cant control it the machine ends up controlling you and beam spam is well just beam spam

but thats not the point the reason why i mentioned the targeting aids is cos everyone acts like kira does all that shit when actually its al the freedoms work not his

and isnt kira meant to be the ultimate coordinator so should aiming at 5 to 13 targets be a walk in the park for mister wonder boy

[animeownage86]

Like I said rambling idiot, rewatch the Waltfeld arch of Gundam Seed then kill yourself for talking out of your ass. Kira is just as good without the Freedom as he is with it and the only reason he lost in the Strike Rouge was because it's shield was destroyed it was though no fault of his own.

[twotonesamurai]

and all im saying is kira was better in strike your aloud your own opinion but thats mine okay

[ThePizzadawg]

LOL, i love this line: "so much rage so little mobile suits to take it out on"

HAHAHA

That's so true in Shinn's case hahaha. May I change it a bit?

"so much rage, so little strike daggers and M1s to take it out on"

[Weltall8000]

with Shinn filling the other rank. My thing is between those two is, we never get a conclusive fight between the two in which they are both fighting their best on even footing.

If you're laughing at Shinn for taking out scrubs, Kira and Athrun don't have many bragging rights here in GSD, with very few aces downed. That's not to say they're bad pilots because of that, but that's a weak criteria to poke fun at Shinn for, while Kira and Athrun are not so different from him in that regard.

[twotonesamurai]

thank you i know its very fitting should be the slogan on destiny gundam lol :P

[Naosuke666]

I agree with ya, Shinn and Rey should have won

[animeownage86]

Yeah... all hail lord Durandle.

[jyto56]

NO.... ALL HAIL LELOUCH!

[shinn59]

lelouch vi britannia :p

[AnimeXShinn]

LOL Sasuke Voice is Shinn Vo ice

[ferbeltran]

Go Shinn, GO!

[ZeonsSilverStar]

That was good Shinn is like my favorite Seed character right next to Canard and Lowe.

[5951988]

of course Canard and Lowe both would have kicked Shinn's little butt right back 2 the minerva