STOP USING LOGICAL MIND STOP NO MORE DUALITY no more responsibility no more stupid adult life (not even ultra environmentally friendly science adult life because its too stressed
out and they never have any fun or relax and zen out, they just go and worry about getting 'everything done' and they dont do anything else all day, its just the lameness of western culture the logical mind, it makes everything dual, no more, just have fun it is spiritual no more caring about politicians i dont care i am free beyond them
wholistic, integrate, where is the magic? where is the fun?
There was (and is) a timeless time, long before and after the advent of organized religions, when All instinctively perceived deity as a loving and benevolent Mother Goddess. An overwhelming amount of archeological evidence has been found to support this, throughout the Middle East, Europe, Africa, the Americas, Antartica and Asia.
@boogiebuddy01 Zen is means clearing your mind of wordly things, questions, obsessions, worries, accomplishments, etc. And focusing on relaxing and emptying your mind. It's a little difficult to explain, but it's far from doing nothing.
@mujaku If you say this is not Buddhism, you may not understand the core of Buddhism. Forget those mahayana sutras and go back to the roots of buddhism. there lies the enlightment, the true nature!
@mujaku If you say this is not Buddhism, you may not "understand" the core of Buddhism. Forget those mahayana sutras and go back to the roots of buddhism. there lies the enlightment, the true nature! You should "live" buddhism, you can`t "understand" buddhism through literature.
@vnxapa The context of this film is Dogen's version of Soto/Caodong which is not without major problems one of which is the belief that zazen is enlightenment and liberation. But prolonged sitting has nothing to do with awakening to our true nature which is pure Mind. Didn't Zen master Huai-jang say: "If you make (yourself) a sitting Buddha this is precisely killing the Buddha. If you adhere to the sitting position, you will not attain the principle of Zen."
@mujaku dear friend, Zazen is not just sitting. Everything is Zazen and Zazen is everywhere. Don´t stick to form. . Look back at the historical Buddha: Where and how did he attain enlightment? I am not defending any school or any sect. I am neither Zazen student, nor Zen student. I am just a human and maybe i am not. Maybe it is you who wrote these words.
@vnxapa The Buddha never taught zazen or that zazen is everything and everywhere. Zen is about realizing Buddha Mind which has nothing to do with everything or everywhere (the temporal, fictional world). The Buddha Mind is transcendent. This Mind certainly transcends the panca-skandha (the five aggregates) that constitute our finite corporeal body that sits on a zafu.
Many years ago, my Zen teacher looked at my messy desk, piled up with papers, and offered only six words: "This desk, your mind - the same."
Humble bow to this great teacher, working everyday for all beings, selfless - just asking "how may I help you" in a world filled with ego and attachment. I am grateful.
We all have to live and die, so the truth about life and death concerns and applies to us all. True or false? Search "TRUTH CONTEST" in Google and click the 1st result, then open The Present and read what it says to learn the Truth. Let's get serious and honest about the truth of life.
To rise above into the caverns below .. face forward and walk to the back. There you will find what has never been found, and know what is ever unknown.
@helloagain151 Mops don't make good hat stands. That is all that is wrong with a mop, other than that,they just ARE...What is wrong with 'no mop'??...
@Imperitor2 A mop does not make a very good oar for a boat, and is more or less useless as a toothpick or a mode of transport, unless you are a witch.
Or perhaps you know the answer and were quizzing? In that case, please tell me: What is wrong with a mop?
in the egoless state, one is free from all sense of agency - all drive and motivation - all self-interest. in this state, one recognizes the truth - that there is no truth. nothing is good or bad, true or false. these are judgments constructed by our agency to keep us alive in a hostile world. it is our agency that has allowed us to survive and evolve into the things we are today. but it is also our agency that deludes us, denies this single, paradoxical truth. things are, and all else is label.
My sensei balanced a stick on his finger and said from the center to the one end is the past never to return, from the center to the other end he said this is the future yet to arrive, than he pointed to the pivot point in the middle, and said this is the now..so if anything of value matters it is here...for that is all you have.
I think it comes down to that we should see the complexity of the universum, but on the same time accept it as it is, so things are just as the way they are and not complex at all. Or just it is the state of mind that is making things complicated, while all we have to see is the truth... and become one with it.
@BluePittbull666 they are monks.. its supposed to be extreme. and their diet consists of things that are neither bland nor particularly flavorful so they don't become attached to it..and its vegetarian because they don't want to kill any animals, obviously. I personally think pickled beansprouts are really good lol
@BluePittbull666 The diet is actually very tasty and fulfilling :) it leaves your body feeling clean and the taste is very pure. The pickles are generally used after the meal to cleanse the pallet.
imho : discipline and ritual - great things for education of strong spirit. And meal - is very important. But it is possible to grow spiritually without strict vegetarianism. Because the megacity dictates own law, I make the compromise - I eat some meat for one purpose - be capable to strong physical activities (and to not lose physical pleasure of life of body).
They probably didn't, so to speak. Many of them became monks having little or no choice. The family inheritance always passing to the first born son, alternatives were few. One of them was to become a monk. Which wasn't a romantic life at all
Eiheiji still has it's 'unsui' (novice monks) signing a waver in case they should die. Life in a monastery here in Japan was / is very different from what many 'new-age tourists' people have imagine. Still, a lot better theses days, mostly
Japan isn't very religious anymore. Maybe it once was but these days most people approach religion the same way we do in norther europe.
If you want to read more I'd recommend. 'the three pillars of zen', 'Zen mind beginners mind' and Eat Sleep Sit: My Year at Japan's Most Rigorous Zen Temple.
All three books are very different as they are from three different temples. Eat sleep sit is a bit shocking so maybe read that last or you'll think all temples r like that.
@Peekingduck : Thank you for the recommendations. I had just been reading the reviews on Amazon about "Eat Sleep Sit," and it does sound quite shocking, especially in the contrast to what we have been led, by popular media, to imagine a Zen monastery to be. I am glad to find out that my own spiritual struggle shall be continued as it is presently, in silence and alone. I was feeling guilty that I hadn't "committed" to a monastery yet, but now perhaps I don't have to! Will look at "3 Pillars."
@Peekingduck : I had no idea! We here in the West only know "Grasshopper" and David Carradine in Kung-Fu. Very romantic indeed. I always wondered why so many young men would go to a monastery and live such an austere life. I thought there must be a huge religious population in Japan, much more so than here in the U.S. Glad that life is a "lot better these days." Where can I find out more? How have you learned so much about this life? Thanks for commenting... CatherineTodd2 at gmail.
@Peekingduck : thank you for that clarification. I was wondering about such a delicious and varied display of food. Why would "beri beri" be a problem?
@Peekingduck : I removed so many duplicated posts; don't know why this happened, but there you have it (or don't have it, actually!). Thanks for all your comments. Very interesting to find out facts about all this. Had no idea!
They look like they're in time-out, like children. lol, I guess that mothers have been wise in their tactics all these years! "Go sit in the corner --and achieve original mind!" I'm just joking. I have all respect for Zen and I don't even practice time-out with my kids.
Most monks have to take over their father's temple and funeral business, and training in a monastery is how they get their licence. It's not generally a matter of choice.
- The true self is one with the universe and finds great peace and joy in all of existence.. whether it be deep meditation or cleaning or doing some sort of service or work, or just enjoying the company of loved ones... all is perfect, beautiful and sacred... all is one =)
Interesting that they revere cleaning and cooking and sweeping just as much as the practice of Za-Zen it self... this is the indicator that all of life is sacred and there is no one thing that is below another except in the human ego- the true self is one with the universe and finds great peace and joy in all of existence..
@thejugglenaut91 What's more, the monks at the monastery are clearly giving a deliberately false impression of themselves and their training. Training in Japanese Zen monasteries is one of brutal top-down hazing and outrageous violence. And as for the food - beginning monks get about two minutes to eat their rice before they get kicked in the face. Spending time in hospital suffering from malnutrition is not unusual. For accurate information, read 'Eat, Sleep, Sit'.
@nianfochan That depends on the master! If he's forcefull and sadistic, or patient and benevolent. Read the 3 pillars of Zen and the author describes the different treatment from different masters, even thought there is no differenciation in Zen! LOL! :)
@urbandenizen In mainstream sodos it does not depend on the "master" at all. It is a brutal system, and the roshi is just a cog in the machine. A kind roshi might be able to help somebody here and there a little bit, but if he tries to change the system he will be removed.
@urbandenizen In addition, Philip Kapleau's experience was with the Sanbo Kyodan, a non-mainstream group that is not well-known in Japan. Harada and Yasutani took the sado-masochism in Japanese Zen even further, going so far as to try to beat satori into their students. They were also shameless fascists. Read Brian Victoria "Zen At War".
@BluePittbull666 no that's bullshit. Only someone who doesn't do zen would say something like that. Anyways, you're going to have a much more difficult time if you have a timeline for it.
@thejugglenaut91 Calm yourself, harsh words will not free the mind, for pride is the source of all anger. In order to too free ourselve's of pride we must all face humiliation. Let shame from others be the anti-dote to your own anger, shake's it's hand. When others curse you, that negative energy may help your reach enlightment.
@sarabeth1410 Wow, I've met alot of hypocrites in the western world that supposedly practice meditation, but you seriously take the cake. Here's a tip, don't tell others how they should practice or live their life, ever. I'm not your student, and you're certainly not my teacher. And you're certainly not wise enough to be a zen teacher.
@BluePittbull666 Yes, becoming a monk usually requires retreating from regular life for extended time, whether it be Buddist, Christian or other faiths.
But this is not the only option.
There exist several different paths by which it may be possible to achieve enlightnment or a more developed state of exhistance, becoming a monk is just one of these ways.This is sometimes called the "Second Way", it is not siuted for everyone.
@TheKyrist Yes, women can be monks. Originally, the Bhikkhus (monks in buddhist tradition) will follow the Patimokkha, which comprises 225 rules, if I'm not mistaken. Female monks or "Bhikkhunis" follow 311 rules, the additional were chosen by them on the occasion that feminine monkhood was allowed by the Buddha. I hope I helped in your doubt!
It is a nice attempt for a film maker. Not bad at all. I recommend Jon to live in Japan away from cities amongst our tradition and let go of past for 5 years. Then the films would be almost authentic. It is difficult to make films about Japan when you live and keep attachments in Florida.
But!
If I was to pick a film maker in the view of an US citizen, I would consider in the future to choose Jon as a film maker for us.
Shikantaza's is only tough when you think about what you have to do with Shikantaza. Without thinking what you have to do with Shikantaza, you get Shikantaza. :)
Empty Mind Fimls do a fabulous job of all the titles they produce. The photography is excellent and the narration and writing really draw the viewer into the subject matter.
I would love them to follow Sensei Kagawa Masao and to show what it is to be a dedicated karate instructor in a modern world.
Dull? I don't know.but I don't think soulless and brainless are the right terms to describe monks. They use meditation to understand life around them, to reach something that's bigger and great to them. They are trying to understand their existence find peace, free themselves from "ordinary" feelings. Reaching something that has been attempted in so many ways in so many cultures since the beginning of intelligence. They see higher purpose in that, so who are you to call them apes?
Dull? I don't know.but I don't think soulless and brainless are the right terms to describe monks. They use meditation to understand life around them, to reach something that's bigger and great to them. They are trying to understand their existence find peace, free themselves from "ordinary" feelings. Reaching something that has been attempted in so many ways in so many cultures since the beginning of intelligence. They see higher purpose in that, so who are you to call them apes?
you are soo "smart",first off all they dont torture some person,you just dont understand.
Gurdjieff was right when he said "Without self knowledge, without understanding the working and functions of his machine, man cannot be free, he cannot govern himself and he will always remain a slave. "
People are pure mechanical beings,half of them are alredy dead.Sad but true.
Vitality- your logical mind hasn't been exposed to the range of principles necessary to comprehend the function of such practices. As such, you are simply ignorant, and in your ignorance do not hesitate to speak out- much like a child.
The "no-mind state" is not the same as being "mindless". It's more like "no ego", or "original-mind state".
I may differ in my beliefs and approach, but I acknowledge their reasoning.
I still maintain that you are ignorant of their reasoning, but I apologize for going too far.
I never said anything about attaining that mind state- unfortunately, my ego is "still here". I don't know about their "forcing subserviency," but I believe it does take a humble mind to find the Way. Their backs- without proper exercise and stretching they will be weak. Diet- I once heard it said that "man does not live on bread alone." It is common to maintain an austere diet in many religions.
I recommend the people who are interested in Zen to join a Sesshin (retreat) you will feel the inner power & peace. (and also the pain of sitting silently) Nice impression of Zen but ofcourse it can never be explained in words.
@Thet3 Well, you just empowered my quote even more. To work smart also takes hard work, harder then just physical labor. Therefore hard work conquers everything. I'm right, and then I'm more right. Understood?
Any religion can be perverted for secular causes. I don't blame peaceful Christians for the inquisition. You can't blame Buddhism for the atrocities of Imperial Japan. Lets face it, any philosophy can be manipulated and distorted beyond its original message
Yes, but only because people aren't allowed to name several religions in these statistics. If you ask a Japanese about his/her religion, he/she will mention more than just one - for example shinto AND buddhism ;-)
That is a modern day outlook; back then, they were Shinto through and through, and religiously devoted to their emperor. Nowadays, Japan is more liberal.
Read a little more about the history of Buddhism and you will find out that it was not always so peaceful as good Buddhists want it to be. (Tibet, Japan, warrior monks etc)
I'm with Peekingduck. To say Buddhism is not peaceful is a misconception, its very foundation is on non-violence and peace. In fact, if you want to take it to the extreme, the followers who are considered to have the highest consciousness, the one closest to illumination, are the ones who won't use violence not even to defend their own lives. Of course those would be the "saints" of Buddhism.
There were great zen masters who justified the japanese atrocities during WWII. What i ment is: empty your mind and with an empty mind killing becomes easy. No remorse.
i saw a documentary where japanese soldiers talked candidly about the atrocities they committed in world war II. one said at one time a monk who was drafted refused to harm civilians, and had the hell beaten out of him by an officer.
the abuse of zen to train soldiers, and before that its corruption by many for the training of a samurai class, did exist, but many japanese monks opposed this vehemently. it doesnt define zen. indeed the first precept of buddhism is against killing.
Zen is already in your life. When the mind is not fixed one one thing, then it is everywhere. When lightning strikes a tree, it makes a loud noise. Where does the sound come from? The lightnig bolt? The tree? The place where they meet? Wrong, wrong, and wrong.
you may think alchemy is gay and i would say thats pretty much true
maybealover 1 month ago
STOP USING LOGICAL MIND STOP NO MORE DUALITY no more responsibility no more stupid adult life (not even ultra environmentally friendly science adult life because its too stressed
rainbowaon 1 month ago
out and they never have any fun or relax and zen out, they just go and worry about getting 'everything done' and they dont do anything else all day, its just the lameness of western culture the logical mind, it makes everything dual, no more, just have fun it is spiritual no more caring about politicians i dont care i am free beyond them
wholistic, integrate, where is the magic? where is the fun?
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rainbowaon 1 month ago
What is the name of temple?
Rotek10000 1 month ago
sleeping and making art
boogiebuddy01 1 month ago
i thought zen was just about doing nothing
boogiebuddy01 1 month ago
@boogiebuddy01 Zen is means clearing your mind of wordly things, questions, obsessions, worries, accomplishments, etc. And focusing on relaxing and emptying your mind. It's a little difficult to explain, but it's far from doing nothing.
SneersAtDeath 1 month ago
@SneersAtDeath oh ok that makes more sense, plus doing nothing is still doing, i have trouble understanding doing vs being
boogiebuddy01 1 month ago
what about protein?
boogiebuddy01 1 month ago
@boogiebuddy01 Protein doesn't only come from meat.
AquariaSpirit 1 month ago
For this kind of life style.. Just imagine how much key power they have stored. If the time came, they could probably like.. lift an elephant.
OhFawkMoment 3 months ago
For those who have studied Buddhism, the Agamas and Mahayana Sutras, there is nothing in this film "Buddhist." It is all Dogen's invention.
mujaku 3 months ago
@mujaku If you say this is not Buddhism, you may not understand the core of Buddhism. Forget those mahayana sutras and go back to the roots of buddhism. there lies the enlightment, the true nature!
vnxapa 2 months ago
@mujaku If you say this is not Buddhism, you may not "understand" the core of Buddhism. Forget those mahayana sutras and go back to the roots of buddhism. there lies the enlightment, the true nature! You should "live" buddhism, you can`t "understand" buddhism through literature.
vnxapa 2 months ago
@vnxapa The context of this film is Dogen's version of Soto/Caodong which is not without major problems one of which is the belief that zazen is enlightenment and liberation. But prolonged sitting has nothing to do with awakening to our true nature which is pure Mind. Didn't Zen master Huai-jang say: "If you make (yourself) a sitting Buddha this is precisely killing the Buddha. If you adhere to the sitting position, you will not attain the principle of Zen."
mujaku 2 months ago
@mujaku dear friend, Zazen is not just sitting. Everything is Zazen and Zazen is everywhere. Don´t stick to form. . Look back at the historical Buddha: Where and how did he attain enlightment? I am not defending any school or any sect. I am neither Zazen student, nor Zen student. I am just a human and maybe i am not. Maybe it is you who wrote these words.
vnxapa 2 months ago
@vnxapa The Buddha never taught zazen or that zazen is everything and everywhere. Zen is about realizing Buddha Mind which has nothing to do with everything or everywhere (the temporal, fictional world). The Buddha Mind is transcendent. This Mind certainly transcends the panca-skandha (the five aggregates) that constitute our finite corporeal body that sits on a zafu.
mujaku 2 months ago
@mujaku
The buddha said you should find your own way to enlightenment, friend.
If someone tries to teach you something spiritually, look to the buddhas teachings and discern for yourself if it is right for you.
nidep3ngyou 2 months ago
Although the film maker clearly had good intentions, this film smells, smells smells of specialness.
nozenji 3 months ago
Many years ago, my Zen teacher looked at my messy desk, piled up with papers, and offered only six words: "This desk, your mind - the same."
Humble bow to this great teacher, working everyday for all beings, selfless - just asking "how may I help you" in a world filled with ego and attachment. I am grateful.
zensitter 4 months ago 13
I am going to meet death. For whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee. KATSU!
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jchijan 4 months ago
August Turak talks of the red hot cannonball of zen. Is his karma missing? Or was there a leap of evolution?
bezelbub2010 4 months ago
What is that commentator talking about? THAT is not what Shikantaza is. He didn't get it at all.
MilesD3 4 months ago
the fire of zen
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To rise above into the caverns below .. face forward and walk to the back. There you will find what has never been found, and know what is ever unknown.
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Work is enlightenment.
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the way they clean floors looks fun and all, but what's wrong with a mop?
Imperitor2 11 months ago
@Imperitor2 A mop does not make a very good oar for a boat, and is more or less useless as a toothpick or a mode of transport, unless you are a witch.
Or perhaps you know the answer and were quizzing? In that case, please tell me: What is wrong with a mop?
HelloAgain151 10 months ago
@Imperitor2 I think they are doing it the hard way on puerpose
pakk82 8 months ago
@Imperitor2 lol thats the same way we cleaned the floors in marine corps boot camp. it was always fun to see 2 idiots crash into each other.
SenorSober 7 months ago
in the egoless state, one is free from all sense of agency - all drive and motivation - all self-interest. in this state, one recognizes the truth - that there is no truth. nothing is good or bad, true or false. these are judgments constructed by our agency to keep us alive in a hostile world. it is our agency that has allowed us to survive and evolve into the things we are today. but it is also our agency that deludes us, denies this single, paradoxical truth. things are, and all else is label.
projectmerry 11 months ago 2
My sensei balanced a stick on his finger and said from the center to the one end is the past never to return, from the center to the other end he said this is the future yet to arrive, than he pointed to the pivot point in the middle, and said this is the now..so if anything of value matters it is here...for that is all you have.
Dojocho 1 year ago 18
I was a monk.
I used to hate that bell in the mornings.
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The nature of the universe? What does this mean?....Can it be put into words?....Anyone dare try?
mathiasgandy 1 year ago
I think it comes down to that we should see the complexity of the universum, but on the same time accept it as it is, so things are just as the way they are and not complex at all. Or just it is the state of mind that is making things complicated, while all we have to see is the truth... and become one with it.
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mathiasgandy 1 year ago
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Tyrkul 10 months ago
meditation is ok , but this is too extreme.
their diet looked like crap.
zazen is just one meditation form. lot's of other ways to meditate.
BluePittbull666 1 year ago
@BluePittbull666 they are monks.. its supposed to be extreme. and their diet consists of things that are neither bland nor particularly flavorful so they don't become attached to it..and its vegetarian because they don't want to kill any animals, obviously. I personally think pickled beansprouts are really good lol
MangakaRob 1 year ago
@BluePittbull666 The diet is actually very tasty and fulfilling :) it leaves your body feeling clean and the taste is very pure. The pickles are generally used after the meal to cleanse the pallet.
Burning0Lilac 5 months ago
imho : discipline and ritual - great things for education of strong spirit. And meal - is very important. But it is possible to grow spiritually without strict vegetarianism. Because the megacity dictates own law, I make the compromise - I eat some meat for one purpose - be capable to strong physical activities (and to not lose physical pleasure of life of body).
10axyz 1 year ago
wow they eat really super healthy
tienen23 1 year ago
@tienen23
The monks don't eat that food usually.
It's for guests.
Monks mostly live on 'genmai' and boiled veggies.
In the old days beri beri used to be common, but I think
that may not be a problem in most temples these days.
Peekingduck 1 year ago
@Peekingduck : thank you for that clarification. I was wondering about such a display of food. Why would "beri beri" be a problem?
CommentsSurvey 1 year ago
@CommentsSurvey
The food wasn't varied enough it seems and sometimes there wasn't enough of it to begin with.
Peekingduck 1 year ago
@Peekingduck : that doesn't seem quite right (not having enough food). What did the students think about this?
CommentsSurvey 1 year ago
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They probably didn't, so to speak. Many of them became monks having little or no choice. The family inheritance always passing to the first born son, alternatives were few. One of them was to become a monk. Which wasn't a romantic life at all
Eiheiji still has it's 'unsui' (novice monks) signing a waver in case they should die. Life in a monastery here in Japan was / is very different from what many 'new-age tourists' people have imagine. Still, a lot better theses days, mostly
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Japan isn't very religious anymore. Maybe it once was but these days most people approach religion the same way we do in norther europe.
If you want to read more I'd recommend. 'the three pillars of zen', 'Zen mind beginners mind' and Eat Sleep Sit: My Year at Japan's Most Rigorous Zen Temple.
All three books are very different as they are from three different temples. Eat sleep sit is a bit shocking so maybe read that last or you'll think all temples r like that.
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@Peekingduck : Thank you for the recommendations. I had just been reading the reviews on Amazon about "Eat Sleep Sit," and it does sound quite shocking, especially in the contrast to what we have been led, by popular media, to imagine a Zen monastery to be. I am glad to find out that my own spiritual struggle shall be continued as it is presently, in silence and alone. I was feeling guilty that I hadn't "committed" to a monastery yet, but now perhaps I don't have to! Will look at "3 Pillars."
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@Peekingduck : I had no idea! We here in the West only know "Grasshopper" and David Carradine in Kung-Fu. Very romantic indeed. I always wondered why so many young men would go to a monastery and live such an austere life. I thought there must be a huge religious population in Japan, much more so than here in the U.S. Glad that life is a "lot better these days." Where can I find out more? How have you learned so much about this life? Thanks for commenting... CatherineTodd2 at gmail.
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@Peekingduck : thank you for that clarification. I was wondering about such a delicious and varied display of food. Why would "beri beri" be a problem?
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@Peekingduck : I removed so many duplicated posts; don't know why this happened, but there you have it (or don't have it, actually!). Thanks for all your comments. Very interesting to find out facts about all this. Had no idea!
CommentsSurvey 1 year ago
They look like they're in time-out, like children. lol, I guess that mothers have been wise in their tactics all these years! "Go sit in the corner --and achieve original mind!" I'm just joking. I have all respect for Zen and I don't even practice time-out with my kids.
ericasumner 1 year ago
either this wasn't filmed right or the decoder sucks, but I can't see a damn thing while they're meditating
maddcat0 1 year ago
It's my sincerest wish to not be inhibited by thought cuz nothing would bother me and I could LOL all the time
DjDemolic 1 year ago
"nothing bothers you, and you LOL" haha
rememberthename33 1 year ago 2
Who am i
Why am i here
Where do i go from here
Akaliko 1 year ago
@Akaliko just be
finding0 1 year ago
Holy shit!! talk about discipline!!!!
GnosisMan50 1 year ago
i'm not sure i wanna live as a munch just so that i can do some meditation.
maybe try it for 1 or 2 years. not the rest of my life.
this state called satori does not look easy to attain.
BluePittbull666 1 year ago
Wow!
softypapa 1 year ago
"It is a popular choice for monks in training..."
Most monks have to take over their father's temple and funeral business, and training in a monastery is how they get their licence. It's not generally a matter of choice.
nianfochan 1 year ago
I enjoyed this very much. Thankyou.
faetrn 1 year ago
love buddhism :)
thiminhthao 1 year ago 3
- The true self is one with the universe and finds great peace and joy in all of existence.. whether it be deep meditation or cleaning or doing some sort of service or work, or just enjoying the company of loved ones... all is perfect, beautiful and sacred... all is one =)
thelifeuwant 1 year ago 2
Interesting that they revere cleaning and cooking and sweeping just as much as the practice of Za-Zen it self... this is the indicator that all of life is sacred and there is no one thing that is below another except in the human ego- the true self is one with the universe and finds great peace and joy in all of existence..
thelifeuwant 1 year ago
I liked this, very peaceful :)
thelifeuwant 1 year ago
wow, this video gets so many things wrong it's crazy
thejugglenaut91 1 year ago
@thejugglenaut91 What's more, the monks at the monastery are clearly giving a deliberately false impression of themselves and their training. Training in Japanese Zen monasteries is one of brutal top-down hazing and outrageous violence. And as for the food - beginning monks get about two minutes to eat their rice before they get kicked in the face. Spending time in hospital suffering from malnutrition is not unusual. For accurate information, read 'Eat, Sleep, Sit'.
nianfochan 1 year ago
@nianfochan That depends on the master! If he's forcefull and sadistic, or patient and benevolent. Read the 3 pillars of Zen and the author describes the different treatment from different masters, even thought there is no differenciation in Zen! LOL! :)
urbandenizen 1 year ago
@urbandenizen In mainstream sodos it does not depend on the "master" at all. It is a brutal system, and the roshi is just a cog in the machine. A kind roshi might be able to help somebody here and there a little bit, but if he tries to change the system he will be removed.
nianfochan 1 year ago
@urbandenizen In addition, Philip Kapleau's experience was with the Sanbo Kyodan, a non-mainstream group that is not well-known in Japan. Harada and Yasutani took the sado-masochism in Japanese Zen even further, going so far as to try to beat satori into their students. They were also shameless fascists. Read Brian Victoria "Zen At War".
nianfochan 1 year ago
one day you stay, one day you lost !
ffff734 1 year ago
ok so this zen buddism.
u can only do it if u live in a zen monastery.
and it takes like 30 years before u reach enlightment.
does not work for me this buddism.
u have to be a monk and use ur whole life in a monastery.
BluePittbull666 1 year ago
@BluePittbull666 no that's bullshit. Only someone who doesn't do zen would say something like that. Anyways, you're going to have a much more difficult time if you have a timeline for it.
thejugglenaut91 1 year ago
@thejugglenaut91
i'm trying to do zazen.
reading some books bout it.
but i don't have time to live as a munk in a monastry.
BluePittbull666 1 year ago
@BluePittbull666 don't even loose your time reading zen book. Enlightment is killing autorities...
LEVRAIVRAIZEN 1 year ago
@thejugglenaut91 Calm yourself, harsh words will not free the mind, for pride is the source of all anger. In order to too free ourselve's of pride we must all face humiliation. Let shame from others be the anti-dote to your own anger, shake's it's hand. When others curse you, that negative energy may help your reach enlightment.
sarabeth1410 1 year ago
@sarabeth1410 Wow, I've met alot of hypocrites in the western world that supposedly practice meditation, but you seriously take the cake. Here's a tip, don't tell others how they should practice or live their life, ever. I'm not your student, and you're certainly not my teacher. And you're certainly not wise enough to be a zen teacher.
thejugglenaut91 1 year ago
@thejugglenaut91 I wish you the best :)
sarabeth1410 1 year ago
@sarabeth1410 very nice
"WTF he is nothing but a ass raming uncle fucker :)"
where did you study meditation again?
thejugglenaut91 1 year ago
@BluePittbull666 Yes, becoming a monk usually requires retreating from regular life for extended time, whether it be Buddist, Christian or other faiths.
But this is not the only option.
There exist several different paths by which it may be possible to achieve enlightnment or a more developed state of exhistance, becoming a monk is just one of these ways.This is sometimes called the "Second Way", it is not siuted for everyone.
There are four paths to choose from.
trespire 1 year ago
give thanks the to china japan for all this
beatrockas 1 year ago
Before enlightenment: chop wood, carry water.
After enlightenment: chop wood, carry water.
eliminatethenegative 1 year ago 39
goede inkijk
zenleraar 1 year ago
out of curiosity can females be monks? does anybody know?
TheKyrist 1 year ago
@TheKyrist Yes, women can be monks. Originally, the Bhikkhus (monks in buddhist tradition) will follow the Patimokkha, which comprises 225 rules, if I'm not mistaken. Female monks or "Bhikkhunis" follow 311 rules, the additional were chosen by them on the occasion that feminine monkhood was allowed by the Buddha. I hope I helped in your doubt!
Ignvs 1 year ago
Yes, they can be monks too =)
sietek 1 year ago
PHENOMENAL!!!!
moviedude22 2 years ago
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Nonsense and bullshit.
Marlonzen 2 years ago
@Marlonzen You are truly enlightened.
TheBanyanEmperor 1 year ago
「空即是色 色即是空」 英語でどう説明されるのかなぁ。
osamuk38 2 years ago
It is a nice attempt for a film maker. Not bad at all. I recommend Jon to live in Japan away from cities amongst our tradition and let go of past for 5 years. Then the films would be almost authentic. It is difficult to make films about Japan when you live and keep attachments in Florida.
But!
If I was to pick a film maker in the view of an US citizen, I would consider in the future to choose Jon as a film maker for us.
Yuki1meltingsnow 2 years ago
Shikantaza's tough.
SJamesGray 2 years ago
Shikantaza's is only tough when you think about what you have to do with Shikantaza. Without thinking what you have to do with Shikantaza, you get Shikantaza. :)
Zennuts1 2 years ago 2
Ah :)
I see
SJamesGray 2 years ago
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Screw the fact that my classmates suck at english, I'm SO going to show this to my religion class!
Norrvinge 2 years ago
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Norrvinge 2 years ago
Empty Mind Fimls do a fabulous job of all the titles they produce. The photography is excellent and the narration and writing really draw the viewer into the subject matter.
I would love them to follow Sensei Kagawa Masao and to show what it is to be a dedicated karate instructor in a modern world.
NormaStitz 2 years ago 8
i find this very interesting. i hope i can visit the monks in japan one day
xxxAnimeFreakxxx1 2 years ago 4
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They need to buy an alarm clock and get a job
tonycaegarw 2 years ago
true
BramleyAppleFun 2 years ago
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Why? So that they can reduce themselves to the level of a dull, soulless, brainless, drooling, ape-creature like you?
drav1dan 2 years ago
To drav1dan:
Dull? I don't know.but I don't think soulless and brainless are the right terms to describe monks. They use meditation to understand life around them, to reach something that's bigger and great to them. They are trying to understand their existence find peace, free themselves from "ordinary" feelings. Reaching something that has been attempted in so many ways in so many cultures since the beginning of intelligence. They see higher purpose in that, so who are you to call them apes?
miki5xD 2 years ago
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To drav1dan:
Dull? I don't know.but I don't think soulless and brainless are the right terms to describe monks. They use meditation to understand life around them, to reach something that's bigger and great to them. They are trying to understand their existence find peace, free themselves from "ordinary" feelings. Reaching something that has been attempted in so many ways in so many cultures since the beginning of intelligence. They see higher purpose in that, so who are you to call them apes?
miki5xD 2 years ago
There's a nice movie called "Enlightenment Guaranteed" that takes place partly at Sojiji. I recommend it.
podx990 2 years ago
you mean the german movie by dorris dörrie with uwe ochsenknecht? i recommend it too:a funny, but in a special sense a very wise movie
scientistMUC79 2 years ago
One who does not cling, will live in peace
impermanentoo 2 years ago 2
You have Taoist insights.
rootvalue 2 years ago
One whose mind is pure will utter pleasant speech.
One who is ignorant will look at others" fault.
One who is wise will look at his own fault.. Such a man according to the Buddha is superior .
impermanentoo 2 years ago
i love thier philosphy
BreValintine 2 years ago
自分との戦いだろうね。
homeruyohomeruyo 2 years ago
So unbelievable beautiful...video, story...
MrSudsawat 2 years ago 3
LOL VitalityMassage
you are soo "smart",first off all they dont torture some person,you just dont understand.
Gurdjieff was right when he said "Without self knowledge, without understanding the working and functions of his machine, man cannot be free, he cannot govern himself and he will always remain a slave. "
People are pure mechanical beings,half of them are alredy dead.Sad but true.
danijeelm8 2 years ago
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VitalityMassage 2 years ago
Vitality- your logical mind hasn't been exposed to the range of principles necessary to comprehend the function of such practices. As such, you are simply ignorant, and in your ignorance do not hesitate to speak out- much like a child.
The "no-mind state" is not the same as being "mindless". It's more like "no ego", or "original-mind state".
I may differ in my beliefs and approach, but I acknowledge their reasoning.
NocturneoftheFirefly 2 years ago
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VitalityMassage 2 years ago
I still maintain that you are ignorant of their reasoning, but I apologize for going too far.
I never said anything about attaining that mind state- unfortunately, my ego is "still here". I don't know about their "forcing subserviency," but I believe it does take a humble mind to find the Way. Their backs- without proper exercise and stretching they will be weak. Diet- I once heard it said that "man does not live on bread alone." It is common to maintain an austere diet in many religions.
NocturneoftheFirefly 2 years ago
"their" not "thier" and "idocracy" sure as shit isn't a word you are an idiot
nihtg 2 years ago
Devotion to the Emperor had nothing to do with Buddhism. Least it shouldn't have lol, there are no Emperor/Gods in Buddhism.
honestkaos 2 years ago 6
beautiful
rayflores 2 years ago
I recommend the people who are interested in Zen to join a Sesshin (retreat) you will feel the inner power & peace. (and also the pain of sitting silently) Nice impression of Zen but ofcourse it can never be explained in words.
dipchips 2 years ago 4
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmnnn....
That's deep.
noideagsd 2 years ago 24
it's ridiculously hard to sit as still as they are sitting...and thats probably like an hour into the zazen too...
doodovf 2 years ago
"Hard work conquers everything"
PermaWrath 2 years ago 21
@PermaWrath Smart work makes more money!!! The hardiest working people are always employees!! not that it's bad if that's what you want!!!
Thet3 1 year ago
@Thet3 Well, you just empowered my quote even more. To work smart also takes hard work, harder then just physical labor. Therefore hard work conquers everything. I'm right, and then I'm more right. Understood?
PermaWrath 1 year ago
@PermaWrath Actually, you're wrong.
volokk 1 year ago
Any religion can be perverted for secular causes. I don't blame peaceful Christians for the inquisition. You can't blame Buddhism for the atrocities of Imperial Japan. Lets face it, any philosophy can be manipulated and distorted beyond its original message
KurtisERIK 2 years ago 7
Um, in Japan, the state religion was Shinto in WWII, not Buddhism. At the time, Shinto was practiced by 99% of the population. O_o;
TheCombativeObjector 2 years ago 7
Yes, but only because people aren't allowed to name several religions in these statistics. If you ask a Japanese about his/her religion, he/she will mention more than just one - for example shinto AND buddhism ;-)
AgiosDaimon 2 years ago
That is a modern day outlook; back then, they were Shinto through and through, and religiously devoted to their emperor. Nowadays, Japan is more liberal.
KhaoticWrath 2 years ago 6
Agreed, buddhism is a very versatile and adaptable philosophy.
One of the reasons I have a love for it :)
outsidepers 2 years ago
lowest level of consciousness or highest? I would think highest.
gusheneshin 2 years ago
No high OR low "I" would say..
aftertoucherr 2 years ago 4
Up and down give measure to each other, they are only ideas.
gabsrossetti 2 years ago
They need to make one on iaido
1softsniper1 2 years ago
And one on Koryu bujutsu
Peekingduck 2 years ago
Read a little more about the history of Buddhism and you will find out that it was not always so peaceful as good Buddhists want it to be. (Tibet, Japan, warrior monks etc)
ruzickaw 2 years ago
Maybe that's people using the name of a religion to justify their own personal agendas and power-fetish. Same could be said for political colors.
Peekingduck 2 years ago 6
I'm with Peekingduck. To say Buddhism is not peaceful is a misconception, its very foundation is on non-violence and peace. In fact, if you want to take it to the extreme, the followers who are considered to have the highest consciousness, the one closest to illumination, are the ones who won't use violence not even to defend their own lives. Of course those would be the "saints" of Buddhism.
JoeTheEagle 2 years ago
yes, Zen gave japanese soldiers the right mind to kill
ruzickaw 2 years ago
Sorry I dont understand what you mean?
Klonsebia 2 years ago
There were great zen masters who justified the japanese atrocities during WWII. What i ment is: empty your mind and with an empty mind killing becomes easy. No remorse.
ruzickaw 2 years ago
Oh I see,thanks.Yeah,thats true.
Klonsebia 2 years ago
Its a very unfortunate implication you cast on Zen.
Of all religions, Buddhism is light-years ahead on human civil rights, ecology, animal rights and , of course, science.
Buddhism is first and foremost a science- a technology- and like all other technology can be used for good or ill.
synch1216 2 years ago 2
i saw a documentary where japanese soldiers talked candidly about the atrocities they committed in world war II. one said at one time a monk who was drafted refused to harm civilians, and had the hell beaten out of him by an officer.
the abuse of zen to train soldiers, and before that its corruption by many for the training of a samurai class, did exist, but many japanese monks opposed this vehemently. it doesnt define zen. indeed the first precept of buddhism is against killing.
coslb 2 years ago 5
So the monks are vegetarians?If yes why?
Klonsebia 2 years ago
In ancient japan meat was very expensive. Animal livestock was expensive to raise, so it was much cheaper just to eat vegetables
Nightmonkey17 2 years ago
Thats interesting to know.Thanks.
Klonsebia 2 years ago
I thought it was because they're Buddhists. They do it out of compassion for the animals, right?
kingolaf99 2 years ago
I thought so too.
Klonsebia 2 years ago
self is one, all is one.
k1ngk00ng 2 years ago
Check out video #618 on MIT world of the 2004 Nobel Prize winner: The Lightness of being.
honhanguyen 2 years ago
"And you LOL." Best line.
wildreams 2 years ago
great film. the description explained well too.
Seanpiano 2 years ago
thank you very much :-)
8575784 2 years ago
Zen is already in your life. When the mind is not fixed one one thing, then it is everywhere. When lightning strikes a tree, it makes a loud noise. Where does the sound come from? The lightnig bolt? The tree? The place where they meet? Wrong, wrong, and wrong.
TheImmaculateHeart 2 years ago 3
i wanna go there and become monk.any links ?
frankbough1955 2 years ago