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This is typical invertebrate sissy-singing that is applauded in the occidental world, and has, by consequence, POLLUTED and put to OBLIVION our TRADITIONAL psaltiki, be it in Greece or the rest of the Orthodox world.
I'm sure theeir INTENTIONS are "good". HOWEVER, the Simon Karas method and "style" has been CRITICISED by many who are "just as faithful" and who believe "just as much" in "tradition and God". It might be "nice" to occidental ears. To those of us concerned about psaltiki coming from TRUE masters of the art, we feel we MUST inform the rest of the planet that this is an OCCIDENTALISATION of our culture, which, PLEASING as it may be to many, constitutes an IDIOSYNCRASY as far as we are concerned.
Mr. Michalakis, you are too opinionated and make a narrow-minded argument. Simon Karas music is backed by years of research. Through his research, simon karas makes the case that this this style comes straight from earlier chanting traditions and practices.
If you feel that "earlier" chanters sang like a bunch of "sissies", and that ancient Greeks danced like a bunch of transvestites because of some "research" from a couple of FALTSOS, then I'd say you have just as much the right to your opinion as I have to mine. I say the ABOVE sequence has NOTHING to do with my culture, and that it is ARTIFICIAL. If you want to talk RESEARCH, then use CONTEMPORARY TECHNOLOGY to MEASURE and COMPARE musical sounds scientifically.
Mr. Michalakis, I am a fan of variety. In the case for byzantine music, Simon Karas provides a sense of diversity for the music while centering his style within the boundaries of tradition. Moreover, in my opinion, one can't so readily apply science to explain art. It's like trying to mathematically describe and compare the smile (or frown) on Mona Lisa's face...absolutely rubbish!
What is absolute rubbish is trying to make someone like Karas, who NEVER obtained a university degree (in law) look like a SCIENTIST and call his SCHIZOPHRENIC work (ie. DOUBTING OBVIOUS prinicples applied without question by the entire psaltic world) "research" or even "science". Music is a COMPLEX science, which requires knowledge as far reaching as Statistics, Physiology, Neurology, Phycology, and many other pure and applied scineces so as to COMPREHEND and COMPARE.
02) In case you didn't know it, there exists TRULY scientific research which DOES describe a number of FUNDAMENTAL elements of painting (colour, perspective, etc) which make works such as the Mona Lisa a "masterpiece". I'm not going to spend time arguing here, because I have no idea WHO you are and what you know about SCIENCE and technology and how it can be applied to OBTAIN and compare VOCAL music data (which, I underline, have NOTHING to do when compared to
03) values obtained from instruments such as the monochord. The above is FALTSO for MANY reasons = tones closer to occidental temperament (200 cents vs average 212 cent in vocal psaltiki), small fifths (700 or even LESS at times vs > 710 cents in traditional psaltiki), fourths that have NOTHING to do with existing TERRESTRIAL TRADITIONAL music. I only gave SOME examples o fmetrophonia (intervals). IN terms of chronos, durations are "isochronic" vs
04) "anisochronic", which is what is illustrated in books such as the Anthologia of Petros from Ephessos (lots of "parestigmenon"). All in all, this type of singing can be described as lacking VIRILY, CONTROL and AUTHENTIC traditional Greek elements, and can be paralled to "uncontrolled" and "premature" FALTSO vocals of kindegarten level, takes by most of you as a "standard", hence DESTROYING ages of tradition. Have you ever PUBLISHED a scientific paper? Do you know what SCIENCE is?
05) Do you feel that all modern Greek "musicologists" or even "scientists" (such as those from the university of Patras) apply SCIENTIFIC method to their research? If so, please provide publications in SCIENTIFIC (not just some bogus musicological) journal where such "findings" have been forth to scrutiny and peer review. The above singing has NOTHING to do with psaltic tradition as we knew it BEFORE KARAS = the reasons it exists and spreads like cancer are quite "diverse" = one is that
06) "fans" of "diversity" such as yourself are willing to acknowledge just about anything as "research". Karas' "work" (eg theory book) is an example of schizophrenic INCOHERENCE that has been taken "seriously" by those who have NOT the patience to learn psaltiki the LONG (and traditional way) = beside a teacher who will continuously correct errors, sucha as those heard and EASILY detected by any traditional psaltis as concerns the Karas school.
07) one last comment, and then I'll leave all sissy admirers of sissy singer "autocongratulate" themselves for the results of Karas "research": do you honestly think that a genius such as Leonardo da Vinci (LDV) did NOT use mathematics in his materpieces and that this might be a reason why trying to "mathematically describe and compare the smile (or frown) on Mona Lisa's face" would be ..."absolutely rubbish"! Would have LDV FROWNED at the use of modern day technology to DESCRIBE his art?
@mariusgabriel08 Perhaps you admire the various musical faltsos you share with us, but please don't bastardise Hellenic to Latin character transliterations: γ transliterates to g, except when preceded by itself, in which case the combination transliterates into ng as in αγγελος angelos, and not gh.
@jazzpsalti Aghia is a rendering of Greek pronunciation, and I should have written Agia instead. However, anghelo is NOT a rendering of Greek pronucniation. I know all you folks like to argue, and take deep bows in front of "experts", but what I've written thus far makes sense: how many renderings of one man's name are we to have in English?
Just click on my name and watch the ladies from Aghia Lydia. None of this sissy-occidental interval sentimentalist garbage that has been spread throughout the globe, thanks to supporters like you who probably believe that this was the way hymns were chanted in Aghia Sophia.
I'll put up more as time goes by.
I commented a FEW EBX videos as well as others quite negatively. Then there are those I commented quite elogiously.
The "correct way" is in the Iakovos videos I posted. For "choirworks", listen to the "Epi ton Potamon" etc I put up, all recorded using low quality material. If I ever showed up in Greece, would you be willing to TRY the TRULY patirarchal method of CHRONOS counting and chantig (including in choir form", or do you HONESTLY feel that today's TRANSVESTITE-like and DRUNKEN-SAILOR-like singing is a "good enough" representation of Saint Sophia singing (where even the ARMY would chant).
Mr. Michalaki.. Your sexual references are incoherent.. Moreover, your projection of any kind of sexuality or sexual insecurity onto the sacred art of chanting is out of place and inappropriate..
Maybe you should look into the menaion and see how "Martyras" women are "engomized" == to CHAUNON nikesas, ANDROPREPOS eporeuthi. Therefore, ACTING and CHANTING with VALLIANCE is a PREREQUISITE for ORTHODOX identity. Now, if a MANNER of "chanting" actually REFLECTS "sexual preferences" is a whole OTHER question, which, from what I gather, seems to be of some concern to you, given the way you are TRYING to connect my words. SINGING like a "sissy" or a "drunken sailor"
02) doesn't mean one IS a "sissy" or a "drunken sailor". What is interesting here is that you focused ONLY on the sexual reference and not the alcoholic reference. Finally, does "androprepos" mean that women martyrs are "men"? By consequence, why should "thyliprepos", "sissy singing" and "travestite-like" singing mean the opposite? Your references to sexual "insecurity" seems to reflect YOUR concerns... not mine!
03) Maybe you should look into the holy canons MUCH closer, especially the "Exegiseis" of Zonaras, etc... the terms EMPLOYED there can eventually be "portrayed" by the "gesticulations", both corporeal and vocal, that are "expressed" by contemporary "experts", NOT only such as those viewed here, but many others as well. Finally, I'm not the one whose rear end was "touched" by some "master" wishing to "suprise" his "pupil" on some tour... I have NO reason whatsoever to doubt as to MY sexuality.
this guy is truly amazing along with his outstanding choir
mcoteg 1 month ago
The best teacher in Byzantine Music is Lykourgos Aggelopoulos.
pavloskouris 10 months ago
ο γαιτανος-π.καβαρνος μαθητες του αγκελοπουλου ειναι?
105VaLentino 1 year ago
μια απο τις ποιο μετριες χορωδιες που εχω ακουσει.....οχι βυζαντινη.
105VaLentino 1 year ago
Ο μεγαλύτερος δάσκαλος Βυζαντινής μουσικής, σε μια από τις καλύτερες βυζαντινές χορωδίες του κόσμου.
CHRISTOSMED 1 year ago
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This is typical invertebrate sissy-singing that is applauded in the occidental world, and has, by consequence, POLLUTED and put to OBLIVION our TRADITIONAL psaltiki, be it in Greece or the rest of the Orthodox world.
GeorgiosMICHALAKIS 3 years ago
whatever. They're up there pouring out their soul to the tradition. It's a disrespect to them, and worse, to God, to discuss anything beyond that.
jazzpsalti 3 years ago 3
I'm sure theeir INTENTIONS are "good". HOWEVER, the Simon Karas method and "style" has been CRITICISED by many who are "just as faithful" and who believe "just as much" in "tradition and God". It might be "nice" to occidental ears. To those of us concerned about psaltiki coming from TRUE masters of the art, we feel we MUST inform the rest of the planet that this is an OCCIDENTALISATION of our culture, which, PLEASING as it may be to many, constitutes an IDIOSYNCRASY as far as we are concerned.
GeorgiosMICHALAKIS 3 years ago
Mr. Michalakis, you are too opinionated and make a narrow-minded argument. Simon Karas music is backed by years of research. Through his research, simon karas makes the case that this this style comes straight from earlier chanting traditions and practices.
BoastofNicaea 2 years ago
If you feel that "earlier" chanters sang like a bunch of "sissies", and that ancient Greeks danced like a bunch of transvestites because of some "research" from a couple of FALTSOS, then I'd say you have just as much the right to your opinion as I have to mine. I say the ABOVE sequence has NOTHING to do with my culture, and that it is ARTIFICIAL. If you want to talk RESEARCH, then use CONTEMPORARY TECHNOLOGY to MEASURE and COMPARE musical sounds scientifically.
GeorgiosMICHALAKIS 2 years ago
Mr. Michalakis, I am a fan of variety. In the case for byzantine music, Simon Karas provides a sense of diversity for the music while centering his style within the boundaries of tradition. Moreover, in my opinion, one can't so readily apply science to explain art. It's like trying to mathematically describe and compare the smile (or frown) on Mona Lisa's face...absolutely rubbish!
BoastofNicaea 2 years ago
What is absolute rubbish is trying to make someone like Karas, who NEVER obtained a university degree (in law) look like a SCIENTIST and call his SCHIZOPHRENIC work (ie. DOUBTING OBVIOUS prinicples applied without question by the entire psaltic world) "research" or even "science". Music is a COMPLEX science, which requires knowledge as far reaching as Statistics, Physiology, Neurology, Phycology, and many other pure and applied scineces so as to COMPREHEND and COMPARE.
GeorgiosMICHALAKIS 2 years ago
02) In case you didn't know it, there exists TRULY scientific research which DOES describe a number of FUNDAMENTAL elements of painting (colour, perspective, etc) which make works such as the Mona Lisa a "masterpiece". I'm not going to spend time arguing here, because I have no idea WHO you are and what you know about SCIENCE and technology and how it can be applied to OBTAIN and compare VOCAL music data (which, I underline, have NOTHING to do when compared to
GeorgiosMICHALAKIS 2 years ago
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03) values obtained from instruments such as the monochord. The above is FALTSO for MANY reasons = tones closer to occidental temperament (200 cents vs average 212 cent in vocal psaltiki), small fifths (700 or even LESS at times vs > 710 cents in traditional psaltiki), fourths that have NOTHING to do with existing TERRESTRIAL TRADITIONAL music. I only gave SOME examples o fmetrophonia (intervals). IN terms of chronos, durations are "isochronic" vs
GeorgiosMICHALAKIS 2 years ago
04) "anisochronic", which is what is illustrated in books such as the Anthologia of Petros from Ephessos (lots of "parestigmenon"). All in all, this type of singing can be described as lacking VIRILY, CONTROL and AUTHENTIC traditional Greek elements, and can be paralled to "uncontrolled" and "premature" FALTSO vocals of kindegarten level, takes by most of you as a "standard", hence DESTROYING ages of tradition. Have you ever PUBLISHED a scientific paper? Do you know what SCIENCE is?
GeorgiosMICHALAKIS 2 years ago
05) Do you feel that all modern Greek "musicologists" or even "scientists" (such as those from the university of Patras) apply SCIENTIFIC method to their research? If so, please provide publications in SCIENTIFIC (not just some bogus musicological) journal where such "findings" have been forth to scrutiny and peer review. The above singing has NOTHING to do with psaltic tradition as we knew it BEFORE KARAS = the reasons it exists and spreads like cancer are quite "diverse" = one is that
GeorgiosMICHALAKIS 2 years ago
06) "fans" of "diversity" such as yourself are willing to acknowledge just about anything as "research". Karas' "work" (eg theory book) is an example of schizophrenic INCOHERENCE that has been taken "seriously" by those who have NOT the patience to learn psaltiki the LONG (and traditional way) = beside a teacher who will continuously correct errors, sucha as those heard and EASILY detected by any traditional psaltis as concerns the Karas school.
GeorgiosMICHALAKIS 2 years ago
07) one last comment, and then I'll leave all sissy admirers of sissy singer "autocongratulate" themselves for the results of Karas "research": do you honestly think that a genius such as Leonardo da Vinci (LDV) did NOT use mathematics in his materpieces and that this might be a reason why trying to "mathematically describe and compare the smile (or frown) on Mona Lisa's face" would be ..."absolutely rubbish"! Would have LDV FROWNED at the use of modern day technology to DESCRIBE his art?
GeorgiosMICHALAKIS 2 years ago
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leontas2 2 years ago
Μῆνιν ἄειδε, θεά, Μιχαλάκεω........
leontas2 2 years ago
@mariusgabriel08 Perhaps you admire the various musical faltsos you share with us, but please don't bastardise Hellenic to Latin character transliterations: γ transliterates to g, except when preceded by itself, in which case the combination transliterates into ng as in αγγελος angelos, and not gh.
GeorgiosMICHALAKIS 1 year ago
@GeorgiosMICHALAKIS you wrote one year ago the word "Aghia" if you look further down in your comments.
jazzpsalti 1 year ago
@jazzpsalti Aghia is a rendering of Greek pronunciation, and I should have written Agia instead. However, anghelo is NOT a rendering of Greek pronucniation. I know all you folks like to argue, and take deep bows in front of "experts", but what I've written thus far makes sense: how many renderings of one man's name are we to have in English?
GeorgiosMICHALAKIS 1 year ago
I've seen comments like this from you on other videos. If Angelopoulos is so bad, why not post some videos showing the correct way?
pjdraud 2 years ago
Just click on my name and watch the ladies from Aghia Lydia. None of this sissy-occidental interval sentimentalist garbage that has been spread throughout the globe, thanks to supporters like you who probably believe that this was the way hymns were chanted in Aghia Sophia.
I'll put up more as time goes by.
I commented a FEW EBX videos as well as others quite negatively. Then there are those I commented quite elogiously.
GeorgiosMICHALAKIS 2 years ago
The "correct way" is in the Iakovos videos I posted. For "choirworks", listen to the "Epi ton Potamon" etc I put up, all recorded using low quality material. If I ever showed up in Greece, would you be willing to TRY the TRULY patirarchal method of CHRONOS counting and chantig (including in choir form", or do you HONESTLY feel that today's TRANSVESTITE-like and DRUNKEN-SAILOR-like singing is a "good enough" representation of Saint Sophia singing (where even the ARMY would chant).
GeorgiosMICHALAKIS 2 years ago
Mr. Michalaki.. Your sexual references are incoherent.. Moreover, your projection of any kind of sexuality or sexual insecurity onto the sacred art of chanting is out of place and inappropriate..
leontas2 2 years ago
Maybe you should look into the menaion and see how "Martyras" women are "engomized" == to CHAUNON nikesas, ANDROPREPOS eporeuthi. Therefore, ACTING and CHANTING with VALLIANCE is a PREREQUISITE for ORTHODOX identity. Now, if a MANNER of "chanting" actually REFLECTS "sexual preferences" is a whole OTHER question, which, from what I gather, seems to be of some concern to you, given the way you are TRYING to connect my words. SINGING like a "sissy" or a "drunken sailor"
GeorgiosMICHALAKIS 2 years ago
02) doesn't mean one IS a "sissy" or a "drunken sailor". What is interesting here is that you focused ONLY on the sexual reference and not the alcoholic reference. Finally, does "androprepos" mean that women martyrs are "men"? By consequence, why should "thyliprepos", "sissy singing" and "travestite-like" singing mean the opposite? Your references to sexual "insecurity" seems to reflect YOUR concerns... not mine!
GeorgiosMICHALAKIS 2 years ago
03) Maybe you should look into the holy canons MUCH closer, especially the "Exegiseis" of Zonaras, etc... the terms EMPLOYED there can eventually be "portrayed" by the "gesticulations", both corporeal and vocal, that are "expressed" by contemporary "experts", NOT only such as those viewed here, but many others as well. Finally, I'm not the one whose rear end was "touched" by some "master" wishing to "suprise" his "pupil" on some tour... I have NO reason whatsoever to doubt as to MY sexuality.
GeorgiosMICHALAKIS 2 years ago
Poli oreo,awesome, mnogo dobro.
Dragan-Serbia.
adraganz 3 years ago