Byzantium, the Lost Empire (1/4): Building the Dream - ABTV (1997)

[Standuble]

It would have been interesting to see whether the "Byzantines" could have managed or created a renaissance and in turn American colonisation and the Industrial Revolution.

I have read Western Europe would not have been able to afford either the renaissance or the later discovery of the Americas had it not sacked Constantinople in 1204.

[Danorowski]

@Standuble It was the treachery of Crusades that led to Renaissance and was at least in part responsible for the downfall of Constantinople. Had Alexios not let the Crusaders through, they would have never sacked a library in one Arabic town containing scholarly work, such as alchemy, algebra, arithmetic, physics and even Aristotle's books that were brought back to Europe and in turn igniting Renaissance. Though Constantinople would have other things to do than discovering new lands.

[Standuble]

@Danorowski I thank you for your enlightening response, I hadn't been aware of this particular incident and was working under the belief that the revival of knowledge for the Crusaders was gradual osmosis over time.

I was thinking more along the lines of wealth, gold, silver etc. Constantinople had always been a wealthy city. Compare that to the nations of Western Europe: Living in lands mostly depleted of gold and silver by the Romans, lacking necessary wealth to fund scholars etc.

[Danorowski]

@Standuble Of course, ignition of Renaissance wasn't only due to the pillaging of old, Islamic libraries, it was a combination of that, Marco Polo's travels, Constantinople's riches and archives and newly-built colleges in Europe for priests and monks that really sparked up the desire for reasoning, it became more and more common among scholars to question everything around them. Blend it all together, and BLAM! Enlightenment! Took some time, but better late than never.

[SleepWhenIamDead]

...what a wonderful video...very well done.....the greatest Empire that ever existed....it was a challenge to the west and the plans of the Illuminati and that is why the west never came to the aid of Constantinople as promised.....they planned to let it die.....thanks for the upload.....

[shamelesshussy]

@AntiDefm Thank you so much for uploading all of these!

[3o4Titties]

Ron Paul 2012.

[Y3MUR]

ISTANBUL THE MOST BEAUTIFULL CITY IN THE WORLD

SINCE 1453 (FATIH SULTAN MEHMED THE CONQUEROR)

TO THAT GUY BELOW ITS NOT CONSTANTINOPLE ANYMORE ITS ISTANBUL AND IT WILL STAY THAT WAY NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU DEMAND. BTW YOUR COMMENT MADE ME LAUGH MY ASS OFF LOOOOL,, AND THE DAY WILL COME WHERE US MUSLIMS WILL DO OUR PRAYERS THERE AGAIN INSHALLAH VERY SOON.....

[ElDesmadreGriego]

@Y3MUR Now I know why they say only the most uneducated people on youtube write WITH BIG LETTERS!

[IAMTHECAPSGODLOL]

@Y3MUR

I DON'T ACTUALLY CARE WHAT YOU ARE ARGUING ABOUT, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT IT WAS REFERRED TO AS ISTANBUL BEFORE THE OTTOMAN CONQUEST

[amanvds]

@IAMTHECAPSGODLOL What hahahah LOL ...... What was Constantinople then ????

[IAMTHECAPSGODLOL]

@amanvds

CONSTANTINOPLE WAS ITS OFFICIAL NAME, BUT IN COMMON LANGUAGE IT WAS REFERED TO AS ISTANBUL FOR A WHILE BEFORE IT WAS OFFICIALY RENAMED (AND CHANGED OWNERSHIP)

[rocoreb]

@IAMTHECAPSGODLOL how did you reach to this conclusion sir? do you actually know the etymology of the word Istanbul (not the common knowledge that it derives from Constantinople-every one knows that) or are you just regurgitating pseudo wikipedia history here?

[geraldmartinez360]

@IAMTHECAPSGODLOL It was the Christian name until it was invaded by the muslims and changed to Istanbul. They have the habit you know of changing every trace of christianity of c city they conquered. The name of the place, time from Ano Domini to Hijdra, Laws from constitution to sharia, name of persons etc...

[iampakiboy009]

@amanvds hindu!!!!

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[Frederick562]

Lots of Faggots commenting on this video.

[Cocteau120]

The Turkish vermin should pay for the fall of Constantinople with their blood. Death to Islam. We DEMAND that Hagia Sophia be restored!

[oker59]

Outside of the Sophia and the arched underground irrigation, Byzantine empire did nothing; they're greatness died early.

[oker59]

Romer wants to 'apologize' for the fall of the Roman empire by saying a kind of Nancy Reagan "just say no to drugs" by saying the rich people just moved to Constantinople(a city started by the Roman Emperor Constantine to start a christian nation away from the pagan rome).

The truth is that the Romans had roads from Byzantium to Rome and everywhere else. The German barbarians didn't just storm rome; they laid siege to it . . . for a year. If the Byzantians wanted to save rome, they could .

[oker59]

. . . they could have saved Rome(the Byzantines could have); but, they chose to just sit there and let Rome fall.

Not only that, but there's indications the Byzantine's paid off the German barbarians to take out Rome. Yes, the roman world died because of a religious civil war.

Christianity was never started in one place; it was always a hodge podge of different views going back to Platonism; it was in this state of flux till Emperor Constantine and Eusebius. That's when christianity was

[Hitman49]

@oker59 Rome (the city) was a shell of it's former self. Rome was eventually retaken by the Byzantines anyway.

[oker59]

. . . that's when christianity was really born. The Sophia is the first real official Christian temple.

[oker59]

. . . that's when christianity was really born. The Sophia is the first real official Christian temple.

Iraneous had to make writings saying what he thinks christianity is and is not. Why? Because christianity started out a multiplicity just like the Torah(the Torah is full of story repeats and different people rewriting each others stories; they just kept them side by side in the old testament)

They came up with the Gospel of John to convert the Gnostic christians.

[MAXIMILIANVS]

@oker59 nothing? without Byzantine empire today we didnt know any classical greek literature, Constantinople was typical ancient calocagathic greek city with bibliothecs, great buildings, public baths etc at the time when in europe was just dark middle age! On the Byzantine music is based all modern oriental kind of music, all eclesiastical music of eastern christianity, from Russia to Greece. Without Byzantine Greeks the renesaince couldnt become! Without Byzantium the Greeks didnt survive

[oker59]

@MAXIMILIANVS

What did they do with that knowledge? Did they learn anything from it? Did they add to it? Did they find anything wrong with it(do you ever here Jesus Christ say "criticize me"? nope!). As soon as somebody else wanted that knowledge, they gave it off as fast as they could . . . to the arabs and then to the Venetians. Then, knowledge creation started happening again; why? Because those who had that knowledge felt free to think again!

[MAXIMILIANVS]

@oker59 without byzantines we couldnt have 10% of all present day survieved ancient literature for example.

[oker59]

@MAXIMILIANVS

Hello Maximilianvs,

I wasn't argueing that they preserved Greek knowledge; but, once again, what did they do with it? Nothing. When the Arabs came and saw all that knowledge just sitting there; they asked if they could have them; the Byzantine's more than obliged them; they said they could have them for free!

[MAXIMILIANVS]

@oker59 the culture is for every person who have interest about it! The fact is that when in Europe (without Italy) people lived like dirty rats in Byzantine empire had great civilization!

[oker59]

@MAXIMILIANVS

What's more Maximilianvs,

Look where the Arabs got their Greek knowledge; a place called Jundi Shapur; there's almost nothing left of the place now. It's a place far away from Constantinople. Why is all this Greek knowledge stuffed far away up in some remote outpost of the Persian empire? That's right; anti-science. The school of Jundi Shapur was created by those escaping the anti-science of Emperor Justinian.

[oker59]

@MAXIMILIANVS Not only is there very little of Jundi Shapur left; there's not even a wiki entry!

[deductionism]

@oker59

So did the Greeks added anything to the knowledge. I think they did. See the work of Isidore of Miletus, Anthemius of Tralles, Michael Psellos, Georgios Plethon etc.

[oker59]

@deductionism

My first post on this youtube notes the Sophia(Isidore of Miletus . . . same place Thales came from). I've seen lots of mathematics history books and engineering history books(Van Der Waerden's "Science Awakening" and "Ancient Engineering") mention him and the Sophia.

I checked out a wiki on "Byzantine Science" where those names were mentioned. They did nothing but commentary, The only creative things they did was astrology. They were isolated and probably didn't really . .

[oker59]

@deductionism

 . . . appreciate any of the literature they stumbled on at various times.

[elbombardi]

hehe, what a glory!

[penguinegg01]

Apart from the dubbing, which is a bit out, excellent stuff.

[shamsham1983]

Its not in HD