H. G. Wells

[TheLibertyChannel]

Wells was essentially what he himself termed, 'a liberal fascist' or an 'enlightened Nazi'.

He was a criminal, who played a pivotal role in setting up Fabian socialism throughout the western world. Who advocated eugenics sterilization, death camps for the unfit, a totalitarian world state modeled after the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany.

It's amazing to me, after having read his ideological and political works to see so many 'progressive' do-gooders embrace this monster.

[lebidiswa]

@TheLibertyChannel Really? Strange then that Hitler should've ordered the burning of his books, or that Orwell should've stated that 'Thinking people who were born about the begining of this century are in some sense Wells's own creation.' Now I wouldn't normally rise to the views of a conspiracy theory crank, but this fatuous crap cannot be allowed to go unchallenged. You have understood nothing, and your interpretation is frankly absurd. Monster? You're the fucking monster, mate!

[TheLibertyChannel]

@lebidiswa

This is a very simple question: either you read his speeches and ideological books, or you don't. And he did advocate mass eugenics, death camps and a totalitarian world state -- though he always did it in a sickly loving way "we must sterilize the masses for their own good!".

And he did describe himself in an Oxford talk to his peers as a liberal fascist, an enlightened Nazi. This was the time when fascists and Fabian socialists had very neat relations, during the 20s and 30s.

[TheLibertyChannel]

@lebidiswa

Now, you can and should read these books Wells authored: "New World Order"; "The Open Conspiracy"; "A Modern Utopia", among his other ideological works.

"Things to Come", being fictional, is also a good one, in that it describes the view of things he declared in his non-fictional works: his technocratic socialist elite would have to wage a relentless war on the public, to obtain the world totalitarian state.

So, go and get some education on your hero, from his own words.

[TheLibertyChannel]

@lebidiswa

By the way, talking of monsters, besides the poor soul that was Wells, you should also go into GB Shaw, another socialist hero.

If you actually research, instead of adjusting reality to your desires,you'll find his BBC recording where he states that, in the fabian state, you'd only be allowed to live if you'd be useful to the state. You'll also find his Times report where he advocates mass sterilizing the poor.

And his calls for a 'painless gas', for mass executions of the 'unfit'.

[lebidiswa]

@TheLibertyChannel It's not a question of hero worship. Wells is generally considered one of the most influential and original thinkers of his time; and as a consequence there is a wealth of biographical and critical material available. Yet nowhere, to my knowledge, even among his detractors, is it suggested he was fascist, totalitarian, criminal monster. Indeed, George Orwell (the thrust of whose fictional and critical work was, perhaps more than any other writer, anti left and right wing ...

[lebidiswa]

@TheLibertyChannel ... totalitarian) writing of Wells towards the end of his life (1941) said: 'All sensible men for decades past have been substantially in agreement with what Mr. Wells says'. Now let me ask you a simple question: Is it, even remotely, conceivable that Orwell (who knew Wells personally) could've failed to spot what you have observed at a cursory glance - or are you proposing he was a closet Nazi too? As for the charge of 'adjusting realty to your desires' - but that is ...

[lebidiswa]

@TheLibertyChannel ... your modus operandi. The intelligent critique works from the general to the particular: the zealot mentalty employs a complete reversal by desperately trawling for anything useful (and often out of context) to make the facts fit the ideology. I mean it's pretty pathetic stuff, but the interesting question is what motivates someone to expend so much time and energy in disseminating this rubbish. You obviously have some agenda, but looking at your site doesn't immediately...

[lebidiswa]

@TheLibertyChannel ... tell me what that is. It seems to be almost exclusively negative (i.e. it snipes at diverse subjects, but is not clear exactly what you are FOR) paranoid, sensationalist, lacking evidential value etc. Something to do with the right wing, American bible-belt, lunatic fringe? Anyway, I suppose you may carry a few credulous types, but ultimately your propaganda will fail because (and here you really could take a lesson from Wells!) it is a) not entertaining, and b) stupid.

[TheLibertyChannel]

@lebidiswa Well, your MO was to make an ad hominem attack.

Look, I gave you sources and references, from Wells himself. So, this conversation is quite futile, in its present standing. You should investigate for yourself what Wells, the man, had to say about his worldview. And also, the associations and movements that he was a part of -- fabian socialism, technocracy. Wells himself was only a propagandist for a much larger, self-documented, machine. One which has won.

[TheLibertyChannel]

@lebidiswa

That's why criticism of Wells and others (and you're not even doing a critique per se when you just point out his real ideas and writings) is not publicized, in this day and age.

As for agendas: pal, I've got a +/- 3000 subscribers channel here on youtube, where I post material I find informative. So, rest assured, I'm not planning on "taking over society", nor would I have the means for doing it, if I wanted to. My interest is the truth.

[lebidiswa]

@TheLibertyChannel Yes, well selective editing of the facts does not make for a balanced argument, doen not give a fair assessment of the man, and does NOT constitute 'the truth'.

[TheLibertyChannel]

@lebidiswa

Look, I mentioned Wells' ideas and opinions, from *his own words*. I also gave you references.

Wells did want to install a mass eugenics program to weed out the 'unfit', and he believed an internationalist class of intellectuals and oligarchs should rule the world in a totalitarian fashion, under a world state. He also admired the nazi and soviet systems, because they were so similar to his own 'utopia'. He said so himself.

[TheLibertyChannel]

@lebidiswa

But really, he was just a poor yes man for the fabian movement, which were/are (fabianism has become the dominant system in the west) just social darwinism in disguise. Other main fabian socialists of his day, like Bertrand Russell, Julian Huxley, or GB Shaw were also adamant on the "necessity" of totalitarian world rule and eugenics for economic purposes.

So, yes, I'm just stating these people's own stated ideas. No matter how much of a massive whitewash there has been.

[charold3]

Foremost Wells expert? Who says so?

[EdnaSweetlove]

A senile twat.

[lebidiswa]

I think that's rather unfair. I understand this man only became a twat AFTER he got senile.

[Chaffinch4]

Who is this chap? Not the "Foremost expert on H.G.Wells" that's for sure.

[heliosium]

This guy has no idea about Wells. He mumbles and prick at his nose ! Ha waha ha ha !

Wells was a smart guy who creates a whole pletora of different futures for mankind; he sent Man to the Moon and back; etc. To speak about his work, you could talk a whole afternoon !

[jordanbridges]

*plethora

[sexysebastian]

this man is an expert on what?

[RexNunc]

H.G. Wells' epitaph--"Goddamn you all. I warned you."

[chasna2]

I disagree! Wells wrote a lot of books and had a lot of women, but he did not converse with Conan Doyle. Orson Wells did meet H.G. one afternoon in Texas by accident. Orson Wells also had a lot of women.

[DrBojayHookah]

Patrick Stewart is the perfect choice to narrate a piece on Wells!

[frnnk]

this guy has to be jewish

[frnnk]

what is this, a joke?

[neothomist1275]

Wells was a propagandist and intelligence agent.

[BeatBuddy]

H. G. Wells is often compared to Jules Verne, but this isn't fair. Most of Well's "science" will never come to pass. For him science-fiction was a vehicle to illuminate his social prophecies, whereas Verne was a prophet in the technological sense.

[neothomist1275]

Wells was a propagandist and intelligence agent.

[BeatBuddy]

I suppose you can say every writer is a propagandist. At least that's what George Bernard Shaw believed. Could your comment have anything to do with the fact that Wells was a Socialist?

[neothomist1275]

As someone who has been in the music industry and among its movers and shakers, I feel comfortable saying that scarcely anything called the "entertainment industry" exists at all.

[hatty100]

Fraud.  Very inarticulate and doesn't appear to know much about Wells at all.