"Gyōki (行基?) (668–749) was a Japanese Buddhist priest of the Nara period of Korean Baekje origin[1][2], born in Ōtori county, Kawachi Province (present day Sakai, Osaka). Gyōki became a monk at Asuka-dera temple in Nara at the age of 15, and studied under master Dōshō as one of his first pupils. Gyōki studied Yogacara (唯識), a core doctrine of Hosso, at Yakushi-ji."
complexity?? Face the truth, most buddhist monks in Japan were Korean origin.
@asadal123 And Korean Buddhist monks of Koryo period encouraged young novices to sexually molest young boys in Buddhist temples. Korean Buddhism has a long history of child molestation.
@asadal123 = dumbfuck. Koreans are obsessed with child pornography since Koryo days. There are numerous pictures of grown Korean men molesting young boys and girls. These child molestation pictures date back to Yi and Koryo days. Some are reputed to be even earlier.
Child molestation is an established "proud" Korean tradition.
I know that your mom and dad molested you following the Korean tradition. Hahahahaha!!!
For some koreans claim Japan was too weak to fight the koreans, here is a what happened
往者百濟先王，迷於逆順，不敦鄰好，不睦親姻。結托高麗，交通倭國，共爲殘暴，侵削新羅，，破邑屠城，
The king of Beakche, is not virtuous, doesnt like good relations with neighbors. Teamed together with Koguryo and Wa, invaded Silla, breaking in cities and killing the inhabitants.
A writer for "Hollywood report" and "Billboard" Mark Russell named the Korean wave "The Zombie wave". The Korean wave isn't dead because it wasn't existed in the beginning.
Fusang is located to the east of China, 20,000 li (1,500 kilometers) east of the state of Da Han (itself east of the state of Wa in modern Kyūshū, Japan). In former times, the people of Fusang knew nothing of the Buddhism, but in the second year of Da Ming of the Song Dynasty (467), five monks from Kipin [Kabul region of Gandhara] travelled by ship to Japan. They propagated Buddhist doctrine, circulated scriptures and drawings, and preached to let go of possesions.
Do I care? Who gave first?? We all know Korean influenced Japanese buddhism. The early Japanese buddhist schools were heavily based on Korean ones and continued until Baekje fell.
"We all know Korean influenced Japanese buddhism."
Chinese influenced both korean buddism too. Ancient koreans treated japan as a dominent country.
I dont see japanese and chinese always brag about it like koreans do.
The problem is that any confident person would not brag about what their ancestors did in order to give self confidence. Your actions give creditability to "the proof of inferiority complex of koreans"
LOL Of course, didn't I deny nothing of Chinese influence. But Chinese admits Korean influnece in Buddhism. Even Chinese historians are saying THIS, not me.
"so is he japanese? Where it says he's japanese? "
Where you born are where your nationality is. You bring in the claim that Talhae is korean, you have to give proof to prove your case. Judging on the evidence, Talhae is japanese. Only your imagination said he is korean (with no evidence)
Go look up burden of proof on wikipedia. I say wikipedia because it suits your level
You can't even prove to me his ethnicity, how do you know he's even Japanese? Does he says hes Japanese? It only states that he was born in Japan. A Chinese can be born in America, so he's American ethnicially???
"Yes it was, Was japan japanese territory??? NO, it was AINU!! FREE JAPAN!!!"
Japan and many countries in the world are multi ethnic. US included native Americans in USA as USA's history. Not doing so IS racist, Not including Ainu in Japan's history IS racist which is what you are doing now.
According to korean logic there are little Korean history because korea's king are either from China and Japan.
@Hanul91 "Buyeo is not Korean??? HAHHAHHAHA Tell that to historians." Let's check: Chinese primary source, Origin of Manchu "古肅慎之國也在夫餘" Old Sushen was in the lands of Fuyu/Buyo ""肅慎故地而黑水靺鞨"" "Sushen lands are where Heishui (Black water) Mohe lives." Black water is the chinese name for amur river Using korean logic, Kenya is now american because of Obama ruling USA. No one except desperate koreans apply blood back flow theory. Type Fuyu in britannica, its not in korean history.
@Hanul91 Oh I see, you're referring to Seong of Paekje sending Buddhist monks and writings to Nara as a gift to establish peace with Japan. This is true, but you are still exaggerating Korea's role in the spread of Buddhism throught Asia. China is responcible for a majority of this, while Korea is responcible for very little. Also the Soga clan did not originate from Baekje...what evidence do you have? I have read they had ties with Baekje(meaning they were friends) but nothing about origin.
It's true that Japanese Buddhism is connected to Paekche, but what's the big deal?
Seong (聖明王) of Baekje (百済/Kudara) paid tributes to Japan in the 6th century and the contents of the tributes were Buddhist statue and Buddhist scriptures.
Baekje was in antagonism to Silla (新羅/Shiragi) at that time, so Baekje really did need Japan's help. That's why Baekje's envoy brought the articles for presentation to the Japanese Emperor.
Paying tribute to the Japanese Emperor makes you feel so proud?
After that, many sects of Buddhism reached Japan. Among them, only Kegonshu (華厳宗) was introduced into Japan via the Korean Peninsula. All the other sects directly reached Japan from China. Kegonshu just happened to pass through Korea.
Anyway, the birthplace of Buddhism is in India. For Koreans, it's nothing to brag about.
As for Kegonshu, if the sect had not passed through Korea, it would just have been introduced from China directly. That's just about it.
Assuming that Korea impacted on Buddhism of the world, why sutras are only written in Pali, Sanskrit, Chinese, Tibetan, Mongolian, Manchu and 西夏 language? Japanese sutras too are pronounced in 呉音. Where have Korean sutras gone?
As I have written already, Korea is known as the country cracking down on Buddhism. 李栗谷, a Korean famous Confucianist (1536-1584), talked to a monk at 金剛山: "Buddhism is the teachings of barbarians, so you must not spread it in China. (仏教は夷狄の教えである。中国に施してはならない。)" (「栗谷全書」巻一詩上、楓岳贈小庵老僧)
李栗谷 called Korea "China". He was deeply indulging in Confucianism and "Small Sinocentric Culturalism (小中華思想)", and condemned Buddhism.
Baekje, Silla, Baekje, Silla.... You sound like a broken record. I know the reason why Koreans always cling onto your ancient times. That's because your original culture of modern times to be proud of is nothing.
The oldest extant Korean history book, was completed in 1145. The things of Korea in earlier times are hardly known.
So you can make up stories all you like. The more Koreans go back in time, the more their country evolves into the great one. The ancient times is most advanced civilization throughout their history. If original sources from medieval times and recent times weren't there, things would be better off for Koreans, because they could rewrite their history with freedom.
Why don't you Koreans look at current Korea rather than dreaming of being ancient Superstars? Recently, Kim Jong-il announced that his POLITICAL heir is Kim Jong-un. This means Korea is POLITICALLY headed by Kim family for three consecutive generations. It's not a modern state, but a dynasty. It's a damned shame. First, face up to the terrible reality of Korea.
>I know the reason why Koreans always cling onto your ancient times.
A historian said "They can create anything because they got nothing."(Watch my historian analyzes korean drama series video)
There isn't enough source to research ancient Korea since Korea lacks written records, ancient Korea is the wonderland of Korean nationalists to dream about.
Firstly, the only sutras that were popular were of Sanskrit and Pali ones. The Chinese, etc.. came later as a transmittion of texts in languages. We used the Idu system for these Hanja texts, the same system Japanese used in ancient time. You can't even see difference between Japanese and Korean writing during that time.
@Hanul91 "Firstly, the only sutras that were popular were of Sanskrit and Pali ones...You can't even see difference between Japanese and Korean writing during that time."
That's not what I'm talking about. "Korean buddhism impact much to Buddhist world," you claim, so I argued that some sutras outside of Korea must be pronounced in Korean if that is true. But no one has not heard of such a thing. Where have Korean sutras gone?
@Hanul91 "Silla King had a kingdom in Japan, So Talhae was ruler of Japisland!"
As Buffon has said a dozen times, 脱解 was Japanese. And, with the Theory of Blood that Koreans like, the 9th 伐休, the 10th 奈解, the 11th 助賁, the 12th 沾解, the 14th 儒礼, the 15th 基臨, the 16th 訖解, they are all Japanese!
"新羅本紀" in Samguk Sagi says the Silla's Prime Minister was Japanese, too: "瓠公者未詳其族姓, 本倭人. 初以瓠繋腰, 度海而来. 故称瓠公."
"倭人"
"倭人"
"倭人"
Wow! The ancient Korea's Prime Minister was JAPANESE! It is definitely set down on the record. Samguk Sagi shows Silla's people was a subject tribe under the Japanese.
@Hanul91 "We all know Korean influenced Japanese buddhism."
You should know that the only people in the world who are proud of the fact that their own country was once "the path of religions" are Koreans. That's absolute nonsense.
Christianity was introduced into Great Britain via Ireland, but no Irish brags about it to Scots. No wonder, since Irishmen are not stupid like Koreans.
It's true Kukai was half Korean or full, but Koreans don't know shit about him, neither does Chinese. The same for Shotoku Taishi, ,some books say he was Korean, I think he was half since Soga clan originated from Baekje. ^_^
Let's debate! about this if you think I'm lieing. Sorry, but you can't face the facts right??? I believe Japan created Korea, you happy??? ^_^ Minama is real, alight?? zzzzzz did I make you feel better??
Korean Buddhism has also contributed much to the East Asian Buddhism as well, especially to the early Chinese, Japanese, and Tibetan schools of Buddhist thoughts.[1][2][3][4]
You Koreans frequently take crap and always call it gold. Korea was the country clamping down on Buddhism. For Buddhists, Korea was the worst place. What nerve you Koreans have.
hahahha you know Silla was known as a golden age of Buddhism in East Asia, next to Tang. Japan is nowhere to be found. Anyway, how is this Kukai so special? Any contributions???
Despite the sparse nature of sources for this period, Best nonetheless shows the multifaceted role that Buddhism played in Korea and how Paekche Buddhism facilitated what he argues was one of the greatest transformations of Japanese culture (37).
the influence of Korean Buddhism on Japan, although its focus is on Silla monk Kyŏnghŭng (fl. ca. 620-700) and aspects of his doctrine that influenced Japanese Pure Land monk Shinran (1173-1262).
Chinese buddhism of course, Vajrasamadhi-sutra, a Korean text, which is one of the most important text of Zen. Wonhyo's interpretation influences Fazang and his Huayen schools of thought, which later influenced Zongmi. Zongmi also influenced Uisang too.
"As a preliminary introduction, I here just point out two facts. First, we recall the initial spread of the Mahāyāna Śraddhotpāda Śāstra 大乘起信論 (Treatise on the awakening of faith of the Greater Vehicle in China, as well as in East Asia).18 Studied and commented on repeatedly by a long list of East Asian scholars, including Wŏnhyo from Silla, and the Huayan patriarchs Fazang 法藏 (643–712) and Zongmi 宗密 (780–841)."
this text became one of the most influential in the development of the East Asian style of Buddhism." HAHAHAHHAHA you think I'm lieing about this crap??? I feel bad for your ancestors from Kudara. ^_^
No masturbate, but this is from his (Chinese dude) work, did I made this stuff up?? OK, I feel your jealously. Even Japanese buddhist admit this, why can't you???
Yes, I am typically. At least, I tell you the truth, right??? Should I give you more on Korean buddhism influences on Japan?? From books I have right now! Don't tell a lie!
Speaking of the Silla and Goryeo eras, a monk was given a high-ranking on the social ladder, because Buddhism was regarded as the national religion of Korea. So, monks were well respected by the people.
After the Joseon era, successive kings established Confucianism as the national religion and put the screws on Buddhist monks. It's referred to as 崇儒廃仏 or 揚儒斥仏.
As a result, a monk was relegated to such a rank as 賎民. Almost all of the Buddhist temples were destroyed, and the rest of those were moved to in the mountains. Moreover, monks were banned from moving freely across the country. They went down mountains only if the government ordered them to gather for its construction works.
賎民 included 軍妓 or 辺妓. These are certain kinds of comfort women, and a monk was equated with those lower classes. In all kinds of occupations, the position situated below a monk was only 白丁 (baekjeong).
>As a result, a monk was relegated to such a rank as 賎民. Almost all of the Buddhist temples were destroyed
"Korean architecture is in a very primitive condition. the castles ,fortifications, temples, monasteries and public buildings cannot approach in magnificence those Japan or China" -Isabella L. Bird-
Thats from "Corea and the Hermit nation" by William Elliott Griffis, do you William Elliott Griffis never even visited Korea himself, his misrepresentations were taken from Japanese POV who didn't like Korea at that time (Meiji Era). On the other hand, Isabella L. Bird went to Korea many times, she never even stated such that. ^_^
"On the other hand, Isabella L. Bird went to Korea many times, she never even stated such that. ^_^" - Hanul
"Korean architecture is in a very primitive condition. the castles ,fortifications, temples, monasteries and public buildings cannot approach in magnificence those Japan or China" -Isabella L. Bird-
"As to the moribund Buddhism which has found its most secluded retreat in these mountains, it is overlaid with daemonolatry, and like that of China is smothered under a host of semi-deified heroes. Of the lofty aims and aspirations after righteousness which distinguish the great Buddhist reforming sects of Japan, such as the Monto, it knows nothing.
The monks are grossly ignorant and superstitious." -Isabella L. Bird-
"It must be remembered *snip* that all but a few of the monks must make an annual tramp, wallet and begging-bowl in hand, over rough, miry, or dusty Korean roads, put up with vile and dirty accommodation, beg for their living from those who scorn their tonsure and their creed, and receive 'low talk' from the lowest in the land." -Isabella L. Bird-
If i remember correctly the early japanese Buddhism in periods such as Asuka, Nara and Heian period there were 8 Japanese Buddhist schools of thoughts. 6 of them were Chinese Buddhism and other 3 were Indian. Also, it was japan that send people to China collecting Buddhist texts.
But in korea, this is a different story. They only emphasis korean influence even there are no korean buddhist schools in Japan
"When buddhist priests and temples were prohibited in the walled towns three centuries ago, anything like a nationalfaith disappeared from Korea, and it is only through ancestral worship nd a form of "Shamanism" practiced by the lower and middle classes that any recognition of the unseen survives, and that is in its most superstitious and rudimentary form." -Isabella L. Bird-
"The idea of a nation destitute of a religion, and gladly accepting one brought by the foreigner, must be dropped.
The religion the Korean would accept is one which would show him how to get money without working for it.
The difference is extreme, the religious faculty is absent, there are no religious ideas t appeal to, and the moral teachings of Confucius have little influence with any class."-Isabella L. Bird-
"To the Korean it is the place in which alone life is worth living.
Yet it has no objects of art, very few antiqities, no public gardens, no displays except the rare one of the Ku-dong, and no theatres. It lacks every charm possessed by other cities."-Isabella L. Bird-
"Leaving out the temple of Confucius and the homage officially rendered to his tablet in Korea as in China, there are no official temples in Seoul, nor might a priest enter its gates under pain of death, consequently the emphasis which noble religious buildings give even to the meanest city in China or Japan is lacking. "-Isabella L. Bird-
Do you know what she even saying? She was not even Biased. BTW, I give her credit because she traveled to Korea before, many times, as often more than China or Japan. She even stated she loved to go there.
It's not only Elliott Griffis and Isabella Bird who went to Korea in the 19th century. A lot of French missionaries were engaged in their work in Korea. Claude Charles Dallet got their letters together. I have read its Japanese edition. The content of the book is about as follows:
"Generally speaking, Koreans are stubborn (頑固で), touchy (気難しく), irritable (怒りっぽく), and revengeful (執念深い). This is because of their barbarousness (未開性)."
"Koreans are not only irritable, but also full of vengeful thoughts (復讐心)."
"Their own industries are still not developed at all. Koreans are not making any progress from the day after Noah's Flood."
Prince Imseong, a member of the powerful Soga clan, is credited for playing a key role in the formation of the early Japanese state. He supported the introduction of Korean-style Buddhism and other Baekje cultural aspects in Japan.[1]
"The Soga clan's hold over the imperial family was broken and, two years later, Emperor Kōtoku enacted the Taika Reforms returning power to the emperor."
"During Soga no Umako's time of influence, the capital was temporarily transferred to Kudara Palace (named after "Baekje Palace") in what is now Kōryō, Nara." hahahah Koreans ruled your fifthy shit island!
In an article on the Fujinoki Sarcophagus, Edward Kidder, Jr. (1989), then professor of art and archeology at the International Christian University, has indeed mentioned the “Japanese unwillingness to dig such tombs for fear of finding a Korean buried inside or evidence proving that the imperial line had Korean origins.”
"Kikuchi Clan (菊池氏) ruled Kyushu, and they came from Kudara."
That's source is this Korean nationalist's site: "Korean Sentry" "Korean History & Cultural forum run by Koreans" "Some Famous Japanese clans that is Korean origin"
Night after night, the website manager and posters masturbate together! Of course, you have been going in for the masturbation time, right? AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
He concluded that thesis this way: "But my central thesis - that Fujinoki is the tomb of Emperor Sushun, d. 592 - has been reinforced by the contents of the sarcophagus and interpretation of them."
And, the excavations and researches have been carried out for a total of 5 times until 2003. It's not something for you to feel elated.
So, Wontack Hong (洪元卓) is an economics professor, NOT A HISTORIAN. Just an old Korean revisionist. Hanul is thankful for such an old man's daydream! What a poor boy....
The first two chapters by Jonathan W. Best and Hee-Sung Keel examine the impact of Korean Buddhism on Japanese Buddhism. Best’s chapter looks specifically at Paekche and its role in transmitting Buddhism to Japan by addressing first,
History is what's based on records, facts, deduction and investigation, it's not FANTASY! I really cannot understand the strange complex of Koreans.
lk251003 1 year ago
@lk251003
"Gyōki (行基?) (668–749) was a Japanese Buddhist priest of the Nara period of Korean Baekje origin[1][2], born in Ōtori county, Kawachi Province (present day Sakai, Osaka). Gyōki became a monk at Asuka-dera temple in Nara at the age of 15, and studied under master Dōshō as one of his first pupils. Gyōki studied Yogacara (唯識), a core doctrine of Hosso, at Yakushi-ji."
complexity?? Face the truth, most buddhist monks in Japan were Korean origin.
asadal123 1 year ago
@asadal123 And Korean Buddhist monks of Koryo period encouraged young novices to sexually molest young boys in Buddhist temples. Korean Buddhism has a long history of child molestation.
Were you also molested by Korean Buddhist monks?
kingmannumberone1 1 year ago
@kingmannumberone1
child pornograph exists in Japan, while in Korea it doesn't ^___^
asadal123 1 year ago
@asadal123
This is the level of Koreans who think they are historians.
BTW, South Koreans are found to be the world’s top buyer of pornographic materials, according to Newsweek.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@asadal123 = dumbfuck. Koreans are obsessed with child pornography since Koryo days. There are numerous pictures of grown Korean men molesting young boys and girls. These child molestation pictures date back to Yi and Koryo days. Some are reputed to be even earlier.
Child molestation is an established "proud" Korean tradition.
I know that your mom and dad molested you following the Korean tradition. Hahahahaha!!!
kingmannumberone1 1 year ago
@asadal123
Too bad, those educated people in Baekje were Buyeo, not ethnic Korean.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
Valshe BRS at begining, perfect draw in. She sounded like she was trying to hard though.
Remember "evil japan made deal with devil to create a delorian time machine, and what they could change, they fabricated on korea history"
SatoRindou 1 year ago
空海はこの俺（外人）が育った善通寺の唯一の有名人じゃ。朝鮮人ごときに取られてたまるか！！
axeblue 1 year ago 3
Hanul, your turn.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
"Buyeo is not Korean??? HAHHAHHAHA Tell that to historians."
Let's check:
Chinese primary source, Origin of Manchu
"古肅慎之國也在夫餘" Old Sushen was in the lands of Fuyu/Buyo "
"肅慎故地而黑水靺鞨"" "Sushen lands are where Heishui (Black water) Mohe lives."
Black water is the chinese name for amur river
Using korean logic, Kenya is now american because of Obama ruling USA. No one except desperate koreans apply blood back flow theory.
Type Fuyu in britannica, its not in korean history.
gingerbeardbastard 1 year ago
Somehow my reply to hanul is not up here?
gingerbeardbastard 1 year ago
"Buyeo is not Korean??? HAHHAHHAHA Tell that to historians." - Hanul91
Let's check:
Chinese primary source, Origin of Manchu
"古肅慎之國也在夫餘" Old Sushen was in the lands of Fuyu/Buyo "
"肅慎故地而黑水靺鞨"" "Sushen lands are where Heishui (Black water) Mohe lives."
Black water is the chinese name for amur river
Using korean logic, Kenya is now american because of Obama ruling USA. No one except desperate koreans apply blood back flow theory.
Type Fuyu in britannica, its not in korean history.
gingerbeardbastard 1 year ago
For some koreans claim Japan was too weak to fight the koreans, here is a what happened
往者百濟先王，迷於逆順，不敦鄰好，不睦親姻。結托高麗，交通倭國，共爲殘暴，侵削新羅，，破邑屠城，
The king of Beakche, is not virtuous, doesnt like good relations with neighbors. Teamed together with Koguryo and Wa, invaded Silla, breaking in cities and killing the inhabitants.
舊唐書/卷199上
Old Book of Tang, Volume 199
I am sure KBS didnt show these in Korean TV
gingerbeardbastard 1 year ago
@Hanul91
"Buyeo is not Korean??? HAHHAHHAHA Tell that to historians."
Let's check:
Chinese primary source, Origin of Manchu
"古肅慎之國也在夫餘" Old Sushen was in the lands of Fuyu/Buyo "
"肅慎故地而黑水靺鞨"" "Sushen lands are where Heishui (Black water) Mohe lives."
Black water is the chinese name for amur river
Using korean logic, Kenya is now american because of Obama ruling USA. No one except desperate koreans apply blood back flow theory.
Type Fuyu in britannica, its not in korean history.
gingerbeardbastard 1 year ago
I temporary blocked Hanul91
I will open this thread after ginger and tayoumusa posted.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@BuffonMusa Good luck, I'll leave him to you Japanese scholars! lol :)
TeHGoodReverend 1 year ago
Hanul91 "Korean buddhism impact much to Buddhist world"
Buddhists all over the world "What are you talking about?"
韓流の構図と同じだな。
Koreans "The Korean singers, movies, and soap operas are taking the world by storm!"
Mark Russell "The Korean wave isn't dead because it wasn't existed in the beginning."
例えるなら、新羅僧の元暁が、ピンポイントでブームのあったペ・ヨンジュンみたいなもんでしょ。
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
reference
世界日報(韓国語)“韓流は最初からなかった”The Korean wave has never existed.
アメリカ芸能雑誌‘ハリウッドレポート’と‘ビルボード’の記者であるマーク・ラッセルは韓流を‘ゾンビ・ウェーブ’と名付けた。最近の韓流は‘もう死んだ’と表現さえできない、最初から生きていた時もない虚像というのだ。
A writer for "Hollywood report" and "Billboard" Mark Russell named the Korean wave "The Zombie wave". The Korean wave isn't dead because it wasn't existed in the beginning.
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
彼は慶煕大と米ペンシルバニア大が27日、慶煕大で共同主催する‘韓流の日’シンポジウムで「ゾンビ・ウェーブ～すでに死んだものを殺すことはできない」を発表する予定だ。
22日、あらかじめ配布された発表文によれば、ラッセル記者は最近の韓流が「短期間の流行、幼稚な民族主義、劣悪な財政支援」など否定的含意がもっと多く見えると言った。
The Korean wave was a short term, childish nationalism, and poor financial support.
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
彼は映画、ドラマ、音楽など韓国の大衆文化が過去10年間、アメリカを含めた西欧圏でただの一度も注目を受けたことがない、と言い切った。また、一部の歌手やドラマのアジア地域での成功は、韓国だけが持った何か特別で独特のもののためではなく「大衆文化の世界化の流れに韓国が素早く適応した結果であるだけ」と断言した。
The Korean movies, soaps or music have never received any attention in westernn countries for the past 10 years.
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
彼は韓国大衆文化の中で、かろうじて西欧の気を引いたのは映画だけだったと述べた。
しかし、それも映画内容自体よりは「製作コストの5倍以上儲けた映画」式で紹介されるだけだ。
映画「シュリ」の大成功とイ・チャンドン、キム・キドク監督などの相次ぐ国際映画祭受賞は、国際社会で韓国映画の名声を高めたが、韓国音楽やドラマそのもので西欧メディアの激讃を受けた場合はただの一回もないと皮肉った。（引用終わり）
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
Fusang is located to the east of China, 20,000 li (1,500 kilometers) east of the state of Da Han (itself east of the state of Wa in modern Kyūshū, Japan). In former times, the people of Fusang knew nothing of the Buddhism, but in the second year of Da Ming of the Song Dynasty (467), five monks from Kipin [Kabul region of Gandhara] travelled by ship to Japan. They propagated Buddhist doctrine, circulated scriptures and drawings, and preached to let go of possesions.
—Liang Shu, 7th century AD
TeHGoodReverend 1 year ago
@TeHGoodReverend Note to make the entry fit, I changed the usage of Fusang to Japan several times.
TeHGoodReverend 1 year ago
*sigh* This same idiot posted a comment on my video claiming Koreans brought buddhism to Japan before the Chinese.
I do not understand why Koreans are angry at the Japanese for what the Chinese did. =|
TeHGoodReverend 1 year ago
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@TeHGoodReverend
Do I care? Who gave first?? We all know Korean influenced Japanese buddhism. The early Japanese buddhist schools were heavily based on Korean ones and continued until Baekje fell.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
"We all know Korean influenced Japanese buddhism."
Chinese influenced both korean buddism too. Ancient koreans treated japan as a dominent country.
I dont see japanese and chinese always brag about it like koreans do.
The problem is that any confident person would not brag about what their ancestors did in order to give self confidence. Your actions give creditability to "the proof of inferiority complex of koreans"
gingerbeardbastard 1 year ago
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@gingerbeardbastard
LOL Of course, didn't I deny nothing of Chinese influence. But Chinese admits Korean influnece in Buddhism. Even Chinese historians are saying THIS, not me.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
"Even Chinese historians are saying THIS, not me. "
Read what i said:
"Chinese influenced both korean buddism too. Ancient koreans treated japan as a dominent country.
I dont see japanese and chinese always brag about it like koreans do.
any confident person would not brag about what their ancestors did in order to give self confidence."
Koreans also though japan as a dominant country. I dont see how proud can be a korean in "influencing" japan. Mostly, its chinese anyway
gingerbeardbastard 1 year ago
@Hanul91
"so is he japanese? Where it says he's japanese? "
Where you born are where your nationality is. You bring in the claim that Talhae is korean, you have to give proof to prove your case. Judging on the evidence, Talhae is japanese. Only your imagination said he is korean (with no evidence)
Go look up burden of proof on wikipedia. I say wikipedia because it suits your level
gingerbeardbastard 1 year ago
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You can't even prove to me his ethnicity, how do you know he's even Japanese? Does he says hes Japanese? It only states that he was born in Japan. A Chinese can be born in America, so he's American ethnicially???
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
For example, King of Baekje Muryeong who was born in Japan was mentioned as a son of a Baekje woman.
If Talhae was ethnic Shila(established by difectors from Qin), it supposed to be mentioned.
Desperate?
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
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@BuffonMusa
Muryeong of Baekje was not ethinically Korean, he was born somewhere in some japanese island, but that doesn't mean anything.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
Ruling class of Baekje was Buyeo, yes Muryeong wasn't Korean.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
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@BuffonMusa
Buyeo is not Korean??? HAHHAHHAHA Tell that to historians.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
Watch my video "Was Manchuria Korean territory? "
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
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@BuffonMusa
Yes it was, Was japan japanese territory??? NO, it was AINU!! FREE JAPAN!!!
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
Oh did the video stimulate your napoleon complex?
Buyeo people were in the area later called Manchu(N.E.China), Korean race were in southern part of Korean paninsula.
They were different.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@Hanul91
"Yes it was, Was japan japanese territory??? NO, it was AINU!! FREE JAPAN!!!"
Japan and many countries in the world are multi ethnic. US included native Americans in USA as USA's history. Not doing so IS racist, Not including Ainu in Japan's history IS racist which is what you are doing now.
According to korean logic there are little Korean history because korea's king are either from China and Japan.
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gingerbeardbastard 1 year ago
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@BuffonMusa
Desperate??? Can you prove me he's even ethnic JApanese????
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
Did you prove Amenohiboko was ethnic Korean?
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
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@BuffonMusa
It's in your texts that he was from Silla. I can't dispute, can you? Were you there when he was there? I don't care about Ameno hiboko. Do I care?
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
You are just trying to flood this thread, aren't you?
You want push other people's comments way back.
You reached limit today.
Bye.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@Hanul91
Sorry, Amenohiboko was what another Uriginal Korean said.
I was confused, you guys are so similar.^ ^
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@Hanul91 Oh I see, you're referring to Seong of Paekje sending Buddhist monks and writings to Nara as a gift to establish peace with Japan. This is true, but you are still exaggerating Korea's role in the spread of Buddhism throught Asia. China is responcible for a majority of this, while Korea is responcible for very little. Also the Soga clan did not originate from Baekje...what evidence do you have? I have read they had ties with Baekje(meaning they were friends) but nothing about origin.
TeHGoodReverend 1 year ago
@Hanul91
It's true that Japanese Buddhism is connected to Paekche, but what's the big deal?
Seong (聖明王) of Baekje (百済/Kudara) paid tributes to Japan in the 6th century and the contents of the tributes were Buddhist statue and Buddhist scriptures.
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
Baekje was in antagonism to Silla (新羅/Shiragi) at that time, so Baekje really did need Japan's help. That's why Baekje's envoy brought the articles for presentation to the Japanese Emperor.
Paying tribute to the Japanese Emperor makes you feel so proud?
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
After that, many sects of Buddhism reached Japan. Among them, only Kegonshu (華厳宗) was introduced into Japan via the Korean Peninsula. All the other sects directly reached Japan from China. Kegonshu just happened to pass through Korea.
Anyway, the birthplace of Buddhism is in India. For Koreans, it's nothing to brag about.
As for Kegonshu, if the sect had not passed through Korea, it would just have been introduced from China directly. That's just about it.
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
Assuming that Korea impacted on Buddhism of the world, why sutras are only written in Pali, Sanskrit, Chinese, Tibetan, Mongolian, Manchu and 西夏 language? Japanese sutras too are pronounced in 呉音. Where have Korean sutras gone?
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
As I have written already, Korea is known as the country cracking down on Buddhism. 李栗谷, a Korean famous Confucianist (1536-1584), talked to a monk at 金剛山: "Buddhism is the teachings of barbarians, so you must not spread it in China. (仏教は夷狄の教えである。中国に施してはならない。)" (「栗谷全書」巻一詩上、楓岳贈小庵老僧)
李栗谷 called Korea "China". He was deeply indulging in Confucianism and "Small Sinocentric Culturalism (小中華思想)", and condemned Buddhism.
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
Baekje, Silla, Baekje, Silla.... You sound like a broken record. I know the reason why Koreans always cling onto your ancient times. That's because your original culture of modern times to be proud of is nothing.
The oldest extant Korean history book, was completed in 1145. The things of Korea in earlier times are hardly known.
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
So you can make up stories all you like. The more Koreans go back in time, the more their country evolves into the great one. The ancient times is most advanced civilization throughout their history. If original sources from medieval times and recent times weren't there, things would be better off for Koreans, because they could rewrite their history with freedom.
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
But the actual Korean life was like ancient lifestyle until early twentieth century.
/watch?v=PrsUnOw-6F0
/watch?v=5P_jLscHAlE
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TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
Why don't you Koreans look at current Korea rather than dreaming of being ancient Superstars? Recently, Kim Jong-il announced that his POLITICAL heir is Kim Jong-un. This means Korea is POLITICALLY headed by Kim family for three consecutive generations. It's not a modern state, but a dynasty. It's a damned shame. First, face up to the terrible reality of Korea.
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
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@TayounoriseMusa
He was a member of the Gyeongju Seok clan, one of the noble clans that shared the Silla throne during the early Common Era.
So the famous Gyeongju Seok clan is Japanese or Korean, you tell me! ^___^
Hanul91 1 year ago
@TayounoriseMusa
>I know the reason why Koreans always cling onto your ancient times.
A historian said "They can create anything because they got nothing."(Watch my historian analyzes korean drama series video)
There isn't enough source to research ancient Korea since Korea lacks written records, ancient Korea is the wonderland of Korean nationalists to dream about.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
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@BuffonMusa
Which one can I trust, Nihongo or Samguk Sagi. Which one has myths and fantasies twisted with common reality?? Tell me about this!
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
脱解本多婆那國所生也。
其國在倭國東北一千里。
Did you think it was Nihongo?
It's the original text on Samguk Sagi.
Samguk Sagi was written in 1143-45, higher rank Koreans used Chinese characters in those days.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
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@BuffonMusa
So did Japanese, Japanese don't use Chinese characters??? HAHHHAHHAHHa no more fantasy!
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
Did I say Japanese didn't use Chinese characters?
Your inferiority complex filter is funny.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
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@TayounoriseMusa
Yes, Neo-Confucianism of Zhi Xi was the main religion at that time.
Hanul91 1 year ago
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@TayounoriseMusa
Firstly, the only sutras that were popular were of Sanskrit and Pali ones. The Chinese, etc.. came later as a transmittion of texts in languages. We used the Idu system for these Hanja texts, the same system Japanese used in ancient time. You can't even see difference between Japanese and Korean writing during that time.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 "Firstly, the only sutras that were popular were of Sanskrit and Pali ones...You can't even see difference between Japanese and Korean writing during that time."
That's not what I'm talking about. "Korean buddhism impact much to Buddhist world," you claim, so I argued that some sutras outside of Korea must be pronounced in Korean if that is true. But no one has not heard of such a thing. Where have Korean sutras gone?
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
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Where are sutras made from Japan? Are they famous? Why does Korea has complete Tripitaka?? Not china nor japan?? Hmmmmmm.....
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
Japan and China both had 大蔵経.
So who was Korean 三蔵法師?
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
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@TayounoriseMusa
Huayen is not Indian, but a Chinese school originally, ok. Stop lieing. It was introduced by a Korean monk.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
>Huayen is not Indian, but a Chinese school originally,
>ok. Stop lieing. It was introduced by a Korean monk.
You say Huayen was originally from China.
But also say it was introduced by Korean.
???
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@Hanul91 "Huayen is not Indian, but a Chinese school originally, ok. Stop lieing. It was introduced by a Korean monk."
???
I said ONLY 華厳宗 was introduced into Japan via the Korean Peninsula.
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
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@TayounoriseMusa
Give the record. BTW, Silla King had a kingdom in Japan, So Talhae was ruler of Japisland! HAHHAHHAHHAHA His from Gwonju clan!
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
Talhae was King of Shila which was described on Korean own historical record Samguk Sagi.
『新羅本紀』脱解尼師今 脱解尼師今立、一云吐解。時年六十二、姓昔。妃阿孝夫人。脱解本多婆那國所生也。其國在倭國東北一千里。初其國王娶女國王女為妻。有娠七年、乃生大卵。王曰「人而生卵不祥也。宜棄之」。其女不忍、以帛卵裏寶物置於櫝中、浮於海、任其所往。
Remember, this is not Nihongo.
You seem to think any text that contains Chinese characters are Nihongo.
Samguk Sagi was written in classical Chinese.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@Hanul91 "Silla King had a kingdom in Japan, So Talhae was ruler of Japisland!"
As Buffon has said a dozen times, 脱解 was Japanese. And, with the Theory of Blood that Koreans like, the 9th 伐休, the 10th 奈解, the 11th 助賁, the 12th 沾解, the 14th 儒礼, the 15th 基臨, the 16th 訖解, they are all Japanese!
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
"新羅本紀" in Samguk Sagi says the Silla's Prime Minister was Japanese, too: "瓠公者未詳其族姓, 本倭人. 初以瓠繋腰, 度海而来. 故称瓠公."
"倭人"
"倭人"
"倭人"
Wow! The ancient Korea's Prime Minister was JAPANESE! It is definitely set down on the record. Samguk Sagi shows Silla's people was a subject tribe under the Japanese.
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
It might possibly be justified, that's because Silla sent the royal family to Japan as hostage. "新羅本紀" in Samguk Sagi reads: "與倭國通好 以奈勿王子未斯欣爲質"
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
@TayounoriseMusa
"It might possibly be justified, that's because Silla sent the royal family to Japan as hostage. "新羅本紀" in Samguk Sagi reads: "與倭國通好 以奈勿王子未斯欣爲質""
The old book of Tang states Wa, Beache, Koguryo invaded silla and pillaging their cities.
Book of Qi (AKA Book of Southern Qi) states Wa exerted big influence of the korean peninsular.
gingerbeardbastard 1 year ago
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@TayounoriseMusa
Tell me about 琳聖太子? Why did he ruled Japan so easily?? There's a statue of him in Japan HAHAHHAHAHHHAHHAHAA
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
琳聖太子 is a fictional figure created by Ouchi clan in the 15th century.
According to 山口市文化政策課(Yamaguchi city)
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
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@TayounoriseMusa
Where is the tributes??? HHAHAHHAH
Hanul91 1 year ago
@TayounoriseMusa
School name - Founder
Kegon School - Shinsho - learned in Shila and Tang.
Hosso School - Dosho -learned in Tang.
Ritsu School - Ganjin, he's Chinese
Shingon School - Kukai - learned in Tang
Tendai School - Saicho - learned in Tang.
Nichiren School - Nichiren - learned at domestic temples.
Jodo School - Honen - learned at domestic temples.
Yuzunenbutsu School - Ryonin - learned at domestic temples.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
Ji School - Ippen - learned at domestic temples.
Soto School - Dogen - learned in The Southern Song.
Rinzai School - Eisai - learned in The Southern Song.
Yobaku School - Ingen, he's Chinese.
I see Chinese impact alot.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@Hanul91 "We all know Korean influenced Japanese buddhism."
You should know that the only people in the world who are proud of the fact that their own country was once "the path of religions" are Koreans. That's absolute nonsense.
Christianity was introduced into Great Britain via Ireland, but no Irish brags about it to Scots. No wonder, since Irishmen are not stupid like Koreans.
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
It's true Kukai was half Korean or full, but Koreans don't know shit about him, neither does Chinese. The same for Shotoku Taishi, ,some books say he was Korean, I think he was half since Soga clan originated from Baekje. ^_^
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
Korean nationalists believe all the great people in the world are Korean descent.
Google Uriginal.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@BuffonMusa
Let's debate! about this if you think I'm lieing. Sorry, but you can't face the facts right??? I believe Japan created Korea, you happy??? ^_^ Minama is real, alight?? zzzzzz did I make you feel better??
Hanul91 1 year ago
Korean Buddhism has also contributed much to the East Asian Buddhism as well, especially to the early Chinese, Japanese, and Tibetan schools of Buddhist thoughts.[1][2][3][4]
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
You Koreans frequently take crap and always call it gold. Korea was the country clamping down on Buddhism. For Buddhists, Korea was the worst place. What nerve you Koreans have.
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
@TayounoriseMusa
hahahha you know Silla was known as a golden age of Buddhism in East Asia, next to Tang. Japan is nowhere to be found. Anyway, how is this Kukai so special? Any contributions???
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
>Silla was known as a golden age of Buddhism in East Asia
Known by who?
Korean nationalists?
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@TayounoriseMusa
Despite the sparse nature of sources for this period, Best nonetheless shows the multifaceted role that Buddhism played in Korea and how Paekche Buddhism facilitated what he argues was one of the greatest transformations of Japanese culture (37).
Hanul91 1 year ago
@TayounoriseMusa
the influence of Korean Buddhism on Japan, although its focus is on Silla monk Kyŏnghŭng (fl. ca. 620-700) and aspects of his doctrine that influenced Japanese Pure Land monk Shinran (1173-1262).
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
You said "Korean Buddhism has also contributed much to the East Asian Buddhism"
Please explain Korean(Shilla?) buddhism impact on China(Sui or Tang), Taiwan, Ryukyu, Mongolia, Ezo, Koguryo.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@BuffonMusa
Chinese buddhism of course, Vajrasamadhi-sutra, a Korean text, which is one of the most important text of Zen. Wonhyo's interpretation influences Fazang and his Huayen schools of thought, which later influenced Zongmi. Zongmi also influenced Uisang too.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
So Buddhism was brought to Korea from India and then brought to China from Korea?
Which Korea do you mean?
What year did Zen Buddhism come to Korea from India by whom?
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@BuffonMusa
No, It was brought to Korea through China from India. You are funny, I said early buddhist school of thoughts, Koreans played a vital role in it.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
>Koreans played a vital role in it.
In China?
Like what?
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@BuffonMusa
Scholars like Sungnang, Pomnang, Wonhyo, Jinul, etc.. all contributed thinking in China.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
We have Chinese expert here so I'll wait what he say.
He is capable to read ancient texts.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@BuffonMusa
"As a preliminary introduction, I here just point out two facts. First, we recall the initial spread of the Mahāyāna Śraddhotpāda Śāstra 大乘起信論 (Treatise on the awakening of faith of the Greater Vehicle in China, as well as in East Asia).18 Studied and commented on repeatedly by a long list of East Asian scholars, including Wŏnhyo from Silla, and the Huayan patriarchs Fazang 法藏 (643–712) and Zongmi 宗密 (780–841)."
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
Fazang 法藏 (643–712) and Zongmi 宗密 (780–841) were Chinese.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@BuffonMusa
Actually Fazang was an surindian, Zongmi was ethnically Chinese. Just saying the truth.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@BuffonMusa
this text became one of the most influential in the development of the East Asian style of Buddhism." HAHAHAHHAHA you think I'm lieing about this crap??? I feel bad for your ancestors from Kudara. ^_^
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
Oh I see, you wanted to masturbate here.
OK.
I'll wait until you finish.
Go posting how great Korean master race was.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@BuffonMusa
No masturbate, but this is from his (Chinese dude) work, did I made this stuff up?? OK, I feel your jealously. Even Japanese buddhist admit this, why can't you???
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
Through out your posts, Chinese seemed to contribute Buddhism in East China a lot.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@Hanul91
Can you tell me the ancient Korean name of Vajrasamadhi Sutra?
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@BuffonMusa
"Kumgang Sammae-gyong Non"
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
That's English alphabet.
What I meant is "Original text" which suppose to be Hanja.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@BuffonMusa
Go search it yourself, why bother me then???
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
Strange, you have never read any primary source?
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@BuffonMusa
LOL Japs and their Kukai? Why is he famous? contriubted shit to buddhism. Nothing but pile of shit like japan. The same go for Shinran and others.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
When Korean nationalist can't answer logically, they start posting racial slur and dirty words.
You are so typical.
A person who claimed "Kukai is a famous monk" was Greg Park he's a Korean.
AKA Chosonninja.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@BuffonMusa
Yes, I am typically. At least, I tell you the truth, right??? Should I give you more on Korean buddhism influences on Japan?? From books I have right now! Don't tell a lie!
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
Some are true, some are twisted, some are lies.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@Hanul91
For Buddhists around the world, Korea is the object of contempt because of Joseon's crackdown on Buddhism.
The social stratification of Joseon era is about as follows:
両班 (yangban) - 中人 (chungin) - 常民 (sangmin) - 賎民 (chunmin〔for example, 奴婢 (nobi), 巫堂 (mudang) or 白丁 (baekjeong)〕)
Among these, a monk belonged to 賎民 (the social pariah) in the Joseon era.
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
Speaking of the Silla and Goryeo eras, a monk was given a high-ranking on the social ladder, because Buddhism was regarded as the national religion of Korea. So, monks were well respected by the people.
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
After the Joseon era, successive kings established Confucianism as the national religion and put the screws on Buddhist monks. It's referred to as 崇儒廃仏 or 揚儒斥仏.
As a result, a monk was relegated to such a rank as 賎民. Almost all of the Buddhist temples were destroyed, and the rest of those were moved to in the mountains. Moreover, monks were banned from moving freely across the country. They went down mountains only if the government ordered them to gather for its construction works.
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
賎民 included 軍妓 or 辺妓. These are certain kinds of comfort women, and a monk was equated with those lower classes. In all kinds of occupations, the position situated below a monk was only 白丁 (baekjeong).
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
Reference
燕山君の後をついだ中宗は、さらに徹底した廃仏政策を進めた。(中略) 燕山君が僧科を廃した結果、僧侶の社会的地位は低下し、優秀な者で僧になる者はなく、無頼の徒や犯罪者や遊民が僧となったため破戒僧がふえ、ついには偽僧が出現し、寺を本拠とする盗賊団が現れるまでになった。(朝鮮仏教史 鎌田茂雄 著 東京大学出版会)
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
That's the realities of Korea's crackdown on Buddhism.
How dare you brag about Buddhism? Shame on you.
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
@TayounoriseMusa
>As a result, a monk was relegated to such a rank as 賎民. Almost all of the Buddhist temples were destroyed
"Korean architecture is in a very primitive condition. the castles ,fortifications, temples, monasteries and public buildings cannot approach in magnificence those Japan or China" -Isabella L. Bird-
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
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@BuffonMusa
Thats from "Corea and the Hermit nation" by William Elliott Griffis, do you William Elliott Griffis never even visited Korea himself, his misrepresentations were taken from Japanese POV who didn't like Korea at that time (Meiji Era). On the other hand, Isabella L. Bird went to Korea many times, she never even stated such that. ^_^
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
"On the other hand, Isabella L. Bird went to Korea many times, she never even stated such that. ^_^" - Hanul
"Korean architecture is in a very primitive condition. the castles ,fortifications, temples, monasteries and public buildings cannot approach in magnificence those Japan or China" -Isabella L. Bird-
gingerbeardbastard 1 year ago
@Hanul91
"As to the moribund Buddhism which has found its most secluded retreat in these mountains, it is overlaid with daemonolatry, and like that of China is smothered under a host of semi-deified heroes. Of the lofty aims and aspirations after righteousness which distinguish the great Buddhist reforming sects of Japan, such as the Monto, it knows nothing.
The monks are grossly ignorant and superstitious." -Isabella L. Bird-
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
"It must be remembered *snip* that all but a few of the monks must make an annual tramp, wallet and begging-bowl in hand, over rough, miry, or dusty Korean roads, put up with vile and dirty accommodation, beg for their living from those who scorn their tonsure and their creed, and receive 'low talk' from the lowest in the land." -Isabella L. Bird-
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
@TayounoriseMusa
If i remember correctly the early japanese Buddhism in periods such as Asuka, Nara and Heian period there were 8 Japanese Buddhist schools of thoughts. 6 of them were Chinese Buddhism and other 3 were Indian. Also, it was japan that send people to China collecting Buddhist texts.
But in korea, this is a different story. They only emphasis korean influence even there are no korean buddhist schools in Japan
gingerbeardbastard 1 year ago
@gingerbeardbastard
And later the japanese developed their own Buddhist thoughts different to the asian continent anyway.
Why is it so hard for koreans to accept their real place in history? Do they think their real history is really that bad?
gingerbeardbastard 1 year ago
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Tell me what's the three indian schools of thought. First;y, the early patriarchies were all ethnic Koreans, no doubt. They ruled over the schools.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
"When buddhist priests and temples were prohibited in the walled towns three centuries ago, anything like a nationalfaith disappeared from Korea, and it is only through ancestral worship nd a form of "Shamanism" practiced by the lower and middle classes that any recognition of the unseen survives, and that is in its most superstitious and rudimentary form." -Isabella L. Bird-
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@Hanul91
"The idea of a nation destitute of a religion, and gladly accepting one brought by the foreigner, must be dropped.
The religion the Korean would accept is one which would show him how to get money without working for it.
The difference is extreme, the religious faculty is absent, there are no religious ideas t appeal to, and the moral teachings of Confucius have little influence with any class."-Isabella L. Bird-
She is even more harsh.lol
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
I especially like this part.
"The religion the Korean would accept is one which would show him how to get money without working for it."
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@Hanul91
"To the Korean it is the place in which alone life is worth living.
Yet it has no objects of art, very few antiqities, no public gardens, no displays except the rare one of the Ku-dong, and no theatres. It lacks every charm possessed by other cities."-Isabella L. Bird-
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@Hanul91
"Leaving out the temple of Confucius and the homage officially rendered to his tablet in Korea as in China, there are no official temples in Seoul, nor might a priest enter its gates under pain of death, consequently the emphasis which noble religious buildings give even to the meanest city in China or Japan is lacking. "-Isabella L. Bird-
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
What Elliott Griffis said and what Isabella Bird said were almost same.
Elliott might traveled Korea while he was in Japan.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
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@BuffonMusa
Do you know what she even saying? She was not even Biased. BTW, I give her credit because she traveled to Korea before, many times, as often more than China or Japan. She even stated she loved to go there.
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
It's not only Elliott Griffis and Isabella Bird who went to Korea in the 19th century. A lot of French missionaries were engaged in their work in Korea. Claude Charles Dallet got their letters together. I have read its Japanese edition. The content of the book is about as follows:
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
"The Royal Palace of Korea is shabbier than houses of pensioners in Paris, and even they wouldn't want to live in that."
"Korea has been a vassal state of China over the centuries."
"Females can't walk alone without worrying about rape. Even if her husband is with her, he must never let her out of his sight."
"Everywhere in the town, prostitution was thriving in the daytime."
cont
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
"Generally speaking, Koreans are stubborn (頑固で), touchy (気難しく), irritable (怒りっぽく), and revengeful (執念深い). This is because of their barbarousness (未開性)."
"Koreans are not only irritable, but also full of vengeful thoughts (復讐心)."
"Their own industries are still not developed at all. Koreans are not making any progress from the day after Noah's Flood."
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
Hanul, it seems Silla in your brain is more prosperous than 19th-century Korea.
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
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@TayounoriseMusa
Prince Imseong, a member of the powerful Soga clan, is credited for playing a key role in the formation of the early Japanese state. He supported the introduction of Korean-style Buddhism and other Baekje cultural aspects in Japan.[1]
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
Again, Prince Imseong琳聖太子 is a fictional figure created by Ouchi clan in the 15th century.
Koreans really have no border between myth and fact.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
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@TayounoriseMusa
"The Soga clan's hold over the imperial family was broken and, two years later, Emperor Kōtoku enacted the Taika Reforms returning power to the emperor."
Hanul91 1 year ago
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@TayounoriseMusa
"During Soga no Umako's time of influence, the capital was temporarily transferred to Kudara Palace (named after "Baekje Palace") in what is now Kōryō, Nara." hahahah Koreans ruled your fifthy shit island!
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
I see there is no Korean in your text.
Baekje was a country of Buyeo, not Korean.
>the capital was temporarily transferred to Kudara Palace
It was the time of Emperor Jomei.
According to Nihonshoki, Jomei year3 March 1st.
King of Baekje Uija義慈王 sent his son Buyeo Pun 扶余豊璋 to Japan as a hostage.
Here is the original text.
三月庚申朔百済王義慈入王子豊章為質
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
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@TayounoriseMusa
Kikuchi Clan (菊池氏) ruled Kyushu, and they came from Kudara. HAHAHHAHHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
You are getting like a broken stereo.
Kikuchi clan lineage can be seen on internet easily.
Their root was Fujiwara Noritaka who was a bureaucrat stationed in Kyushu, he was in charge of guarding from 刀伊 Jurchen pirates.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
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@TayounoriseMusa
In an article on the Fujinoki Sarcophagus, Edward Kidder, Jr. (1989), then professor of art and archeology at the International Christian University, has indeed mentioned the “Japanese unwillingness to dig such tombs for fear of finding a Korean buried inside or evidence proving that the imperial line had Korean origins.”
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91 "Prince Imseong"
You copied & pasted a whole description from Wiki. And the Wiki's source is excerpted from Korean Yahoo site. But the article has been deleted.
Your information gathering capacity is so poor.
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
"transferred to Kudara Palace (named after 'Baekje Palace') in what is now Kōryō, Nara." "hahahah Koreans ruled your fifthy shit island"
Moron. That's the Imperial Palace at 百済大井 (Kudara-no-Oi). 百済大井 is only a Japanese place-name.
That article too is from Wiki rewritten by Koreans many times. What's "Baekje Palace?"
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
"Kikuchi Clan (菊池氏) ruled Kyushu, and they came from Kudara."
That's source is this Korean nationalist's site: "Korean Sentry" "Korean History & Cultural forum run by Koreans" "Some Famous Japanese clans that is Korean origin"
Night after night, the website manager and posters masturbate together! Of course, you have been going in for the masturbation time, right? AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
"Edward Kidder, Jr. (1989)"
He concluded that thesis this way: "But my central thesis - that Fujinoki is the tomb of Emperor Sushun, d. 592 - has been reinforced by the contents of the sarcophagus and interpretation of them."
And, the excavations and researches have been carried out for a total of 5 times until 2003. It's not something for you to feel elated.
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
I know where you found the Kidder's article from. You quote from Wontack Hong's text. Really, though, you like 洪元卓 (Wontack Hong). Haha.
As I've pointed out before, 洪元卓 is an ill-disposed old Korean nationalist; He has been rewriting history on the ground of his dream.
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
His business title and works are as follows:
"『百済倭』を出版した洪元卓・ソウル大経済学科教授"
chosunonline(dot)com/article/20030418000033
"日本初の古代国家である大和王国は、4世紀後半の百済人たちが日本列島に渡って建国した国であり、天皇族の根源は百済王族であるというのが核心だ。洪教授は「日本の15代王である応神天皇が大和政権の実際の設立者であり、彼は百済王族の子孫と推定される」と主張する。"
"洪元卓（ホン・ウォンタク／63）ソウル大学経済学科教授は、米コロンビア大学で経済学の博士号を取得し、韓国国際経済学会長を歴任した"
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
So, Wontack Hong (洪元卓) is an economics professor, NOT A HISTORIAN. Just an old Korean revisionist. Hanul is thankful for such an old man's daydream! What a poor boy....
TayounoriseMusa 1 year ago
@TayounoriseMusa
So wat, Korean buddhism impact much to Buddhist world, now what has Japan even accomplished???? HHAHHAHHAHHA even Historians are noting this!!!
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
That doesn't matter.
Japanese don't claim things like J-Buddhism is better than others.
That's Korean matter.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@TayounoriseMusa
Haha, Koreans banned Buddhism by themselves.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
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@BuffonMusa
Chinese banned confucianism, so what???
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
I don't see your point.
You say Shila Buddhism is great because it influenced East Asian Buddhism.
TayounoriseMusa said Choson dynasty banned Buddhism and put the monks in the lowest social rank.
It's nothing to do with ban of Confucianism in China.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@Hanul91
>Korean Buddhism has also contributed much to the East Asian Buddhism
within your brain.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago
@BuffonMusa
The first two chapters by Jonathan W. Best and Hee-Sung Keel examine the impact of Korean Buddhism on Japanese Buddhism. Best’s chapter looks specifically at Paekche and its role in transmitting Buddhism to Japan by addressing first,
Hanul91 1 year ago
@Hanul91
Right.
King of Baekje 聖明王 sent some Buddhinm items to Japan.
However Baekje was a nation of Buyeo, not Korean race.
BuffonMusa 1 year ago