What about Hawke floating the dollar, deregulating the banking and financial system, selling CBA and Qantas, allowing foreign banks to enter Australia, slashing tarriffs so we could buy decent cars from overseas. He turned Australia from almost being a communist[protectonist] country into the free world. Congatulations must be given especially for a Labor government to do this.
@dlan1500 What frogshit. Labor could not run a Kindergarten BBQ fundraiser without going into deficit. They are as incompetent now as always... insulation sham, carbon tax, cash splash, middle class solar welfare rebate mess, school buildings sham, refugee mismanagement and the list goes on. As crooked as Howard was in ensuring the forced confessions of Hicks to the yanks and then imprisoning him illegally (Rudd actually enforced the imprisonment), at least Howard ran excellent fiscal policy.
@eatmyshitpl0x Bro, I'll take it all back if Labor can just give me another crack at FREE insulation. Who cares if a few young blokes die on their first job by being electrocuted, it is FREE. That's right folks, FREE from your local pro-nuke skinhead who can't dance too well.
@creativeengineer Or Howard could have got us into a few more wars around the world. What is the blowout on defence spending on this one. 10 years and still going, maybe 15-20 billion i would say.
@creativeengineer Yes, all to easy when Howard come to power after Hawke/Keating reformed our entire financial system. All they had to do was sit back and make just one more good reform in 11 years[GST] and then collect all the revenue from the mining boom then waste it all on first home owners grants which sent property prices through the roof, baby bonuses so everyone could buy a plasma. What about the oldies who sold there houses for tax free super only for the sharemarket to crash. Brilliant
@dlan1500 All parties have been guilty of robbing first home buyers by keeping prices high by their policies.... from Hawke through to Gillard. Immigration is still at an all time high. Rudd's BIG Australia dream is still alive. Most of the immigrants are Chinese who come here via the NZ back door or buy milk bars to get in. They barely speak English and won't integrate. I don't blame the Chinese for wanting to flee the communist hell hole they come from. I blame our hopeless government.
@dlan1500 I don't mind having a reasonable amount of immigration here. Everything requires good management and stewardship. The government has failed miserably on both accounts. We especially get pissed off at the government causing the housing price bubble and turning Aussie first home buyers into lifetime economic slaves. It is purely the government's fault our utility prices and housing prices have sky rocketed. THEY are to blame. That is why I don't vote... none of them are worthy of a vote.
@creativeengineer The main thing is we can have a good healthy debate about issues, without worrying about going to goal over it. Thats a healthy democracy. I donkey voted the last election because of the clowns we have now on both sides. Im for reformist governments. Turnbull would be a good leader but is probably in the wrong political party.
@dlan1500 Joe Hockey would also be a great leader. He is intelligent, level headed and believes in well engineered policies. And for the 50% of the low IQ voters who vote on personality rather than the issues, Hockey has charisma. Turnbull has the basic problem is he is filthy rich. Like with Malcomn Fraser, the Labor working class and bogans out there don't identify with wealth and refinement. Hawke did well... a good actor. A mate in behaviour, betrayer in deed (esp. first home buyers).
@dlan1500 Hawke used the safe Labor seat of Wills to become leader of the opposition. When he lost his post as PM, he dumped the people of Will within 2 weeks. Hawke had done NOTHING for Wills the entire time he was PM. The Wills electorate realised they were simply pawns and at the next election, Labor was annihilated, Liberal had no chance and a one Phil Cleary (born and bred Coburg independent) won the seat. Hawke then got millions in his dodgy superannuation payout and a root from Blanche.
@creativeengineer No money gets spent on safe labor or safe liberal seats. Only swinging seats get all the money. I was born in the Eastern Suburbs of Sydney and no money is ever spent here. Only mortgage belt areas of australia get the money because they decide elections except now for 3 independant MPs who hold the balance of power.
@dlan1500 Hey, remember it was Hawke who re-introduced tertiary fees. Both parties kept the negative gearing rort, and uncontrolled immigration of opportunist Chinese coming here via the back door called New Zealand, or via other rorts. The end result: Housing prices far too expensive for first home Australian buyers, especially those with the punitive HECS fees. So the politicians "earnt" their 40% pay rise? The politicians are criminals in suits. My response: DON'T VOTE, THEY CAN FUCK OFF.
@creativeengineer Low interest rates were also a factor, but negative gearing screwed the entire country. The blood will spill when the housing market collapses in 2 years. And the politicians will ask for another 40% pay rise.
@creativeengineer The only thing Australians should get for free is health care, because you often cant choose your health and you shouldn't have to suffer financially for it. But if you choose to be educated at a tertiary level then you should have to pay. I think Hawke tried to get rid of negative gearing in the mid 80s but there was a backlash because there would be no incentives for investors to build housing. The home grants in 2001 sent property through the roof and the Rudd top up as well
@dlan1500 Those "on higher incomes" are punished with higher taxes, especially under Hawke. The home grants were a disaster - ill conceived, foolish and short sighted. Next came insulation scam - so baldy planned, a chook raffle at a kindergarten BBQ could have been run better. Rudd's indifference to the bereaved families of the electrocuted young men putting in the insulation beggars belief.
@creativeengineer All governments make mistakes. Its no different to the families who lost sons in the Howard wars that we should not have got involved in. Joe Hockey hasn't got a clue about economics and tried to cover up their costing before the last election only for Treasury to discover 11 billion dollar hole. Turnbull would be a good leader but he is probably in the wrong party. Believes in gay marriage, Climate change, price on carbon etc
@dlan1500 Agreed, Howard was a war monger. And a criminal in that he conspired with Bush to force a confession from David Hicks, and then organised the imprisonment of Hicks without trial in Australia (carried out by Rudd) - a complete travesty of justice. Howard was a bastard of a PM and should be imprisoned. So I am not a blind liberal. I won't vote until there is someone to vote for.
@creativeengineer Fraser is often regarded as one of our worst PM's. The Hawke and Keating reforms of the 80s to open up our economy should have been done by the Fraser Govt well before. The problem with conservatives is that they don't like to make big reforms and the National Party would never have allowed it. The Nationals along with the Greens are the biggest waste of space. Nationals supporting farmers ....what a joke. They sold out the farmers 10 years ago.
@dlan1500 Agreed, the Greens attracts idiotic idealist young lefties who have no idea. The carbon tax is a farce and the liar Julia Gillard will pay dearly for that and her bloodless coup in coming to power. It will happen within weeks. But it should not be Rudd - he is a criminal for imprisoning Hicks without trial and then ensuring all monies from "crime" are garnished. Hicks NEVER committed a crime by the way. Rudd belongs in jail.
@creativeengineer We can blame John Howard for the carbon tax as he was the first one to come up with the idea before the 2007 election which Rudd and Turnbull took up as well and now Gillard. It wont cut emissions and its probably just an extension of the GST. A higher tax on goods and services and then we get income tax breaks on our income. Pointless. Im not sure what Rudd had to do with Hicks. I thought the whole saga happened under Howard. Maybe Im wrong.
@creativeengineer I strongly believe in a free and open economy. I don't care much about political parties or personalities. Im a reformist and whether you vote Labor or Liberal the facts are we had one government in our life that had the guts to change Australia for the better. The float of the dollar is regarded as the single greatest economic reform in Australia's history along with the deregulation of the financial and banking system and it was labor govt that did this.... unbelievable
@dlan1500 Yes he floated the dollar... and under Keating's leadership our dollar became junk, especially when banana republic Keating slept in one morning. Still, floating the dollar was a good idea, agreed. But their artificially punitive interest rates (and a massive tax on new home buyers in the form of subsidies to those who bought a house before 1982) has made Hawke and Keating life long enemies.
@creativeengineer Atleast it was better managed than the float of the Thai currency which crushed all of asia in 1997. The float is good because it doesn't involve government interference. The free market decides. Right now its doing a good job with the mining boom and keeping inflation under control. If our dollar was weak right now we would have to many sectors booming with high wages growth, leading to inflation and higher interest rates.
What about Hawke's economic highlights? Record bank home interest rates at 18.5% for first home buyers who subsidized old home loans for others clipped at the 13.5% ceiling. This clown was the worst prime minister in Australia's history, subjecting first home buyers to economic slavery. Lest we forget, Hawke.
@creativeengineer Idiots like you who think politicians have any real control over interest rates and inflation is reason why Australian politics is a sewer.
@Popsumpot Listen clown, it was Hawke's socialist government which decided to freeze interest rates for those who bought houses before 1982. Those who bought them after subsidized them to the tune of about an extra 1% to 5%. That was a Hawke government initiative, the brainchild of the worlds greatest fuckwit treasurer Paul Keating. And don't forget the record 12% (was really 19%) unemployment under Labor's anti-incentive socialist government.
What about Hawke floating the dollar, deregulating the banking and financial system, selling CBA and Qantas, allowing foreign banks to enter Australia, slashing tarriffs so we could buy decent cars from overseas. He turned Australia from almost being a communist[protectonist] country into the free world. Congatulations must be given especially for a Labor government to do this.
dlan1500 3 months ago
@dlan1500 What frogshit. Labor could not run a Kindergarten BBQ fundraiser without going into deficit. They are as incompetent now as always... insulation sham, carbon tax, cash splash, middle class solar welfare rebate mess, school buildings sham, refugee mismanagement and the list goes on. As crooked as Howard was in ensuring the forced confessions of Hicks to the yanks and then imprisoning him illegally (Rudd actually enforced the imprisonment), at least Howard ran excellent fiscal policy.
creativeengineer 2 months ago
@creativeengineer so many strawmans and ad hominems everywhere. its blinding me lassy. ill leave you be troll.
eatmyshitpl0x 2 months ago
@eatmyshitpl0x Bro, I'll take it all back if Labor can just give me another crack at FREE insulation. Who cares if a few young blokes die on their first job by being electrocuted, it is FREE. That's right folks, FREE from your local pro-nuke skinhead who can't dance too well.
creativeengineer 2 months ago
@creativeengineer Or Howard could have got us into a few more wars around the world. What is the blowout on defence spending on this one. 10 years and still going, maybe 15-20 billion i would say.
dlan1500 1 month ago
@creativeengineer Yes, all to easy when Howard come to power after Hawke/Keating reformed our entire financial system. All they had to do was sit back and make just one more good reform in 11 years[GST] and then collect all the revenue from the mining boom then waste it all on first home owners grants which sent property prices through the roof, baby bonuses so everyone could buy a plasma. What about the oldies who sold there houses for tax free super only for the sharemarket to crash. Brilliant
dlan1500 2 months ago
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creativeengineer 2 months ago
@dlan1500 All parties have been guilty of robbing first home buyers by keeping prices high by their policies.... from Hawke through to Gillard. Immigration is still at an all time high. Rudd's BIG Australia dream is still alive. Most of the immigrants are Chinese who come here via the NZ back door or buy milk bars to get in. They barely speak English and won't integrate. I don't blame the Chinese for wanting to flee the communist hell hole they come from. I blame our hopeless government.
creativeengineer 2 months ago
@dlan1500 I don't mind having a reasonable amount of immigration here. Everything requires good management and stewardship. The government has failed miserably on both accounts. We especially get pissed off at the government causing the housing price bubble and turning Aussie first home buyers into lifetime economic slaves. It is purely the government's fault our utility prices and housing prices have sky rocketed. THEY are to blame. That is why I don't vote... none of them are worthy of a vote.
creativeengineer 2 months ago
@creativeengineer The main thing is we can have a good healthy debate about issues, without worrying about going to goal over it. Thats a healthy democracy. I donkey voted the last election because of the clowns we have now on both sides. Im for reformist governments. Turnbull would be a good leader but is probably in the wrong political party.
dlan1500 2 months ago
@dlan1500 Joe Hockey would also be a great leader. He is intelligent, level headed and believes in well engineered policies. And for the 50% of the low IQ voters who vote on personality rather than the issues, Hockey has charisma. Turnbull has the basic problem is he is filthy rich. Like with Malcomn Fraser, the Labor working class and bogans out there don't identify with wealth and refinement. Hawke did well... a good actor. A mate in behaviour, betrayer in deed (esp. first home buyers).
creativeengineer 1 month ago
@dlan1500 Hawke used the safe Labor seat of Wills to become leader of the opposition. When he lost his post as PM, he dumped the people of Will within 2 weeks. Hawke had done NOTHING for Wills the entire time he was PM. The Wills electorate realised they were simply pawns and at the next election, Labor was annihilated, Liberal had no chance and a one Phil Cleary (born and bred Coburg independent) won the seat. Hawke then got millions in his dodgy superannuation payout and a root from Blanche.
creativeengineer 2 months ago
@creativeengineer No money gets spent on safe labor or safe liberal seats. Only swinging seats get all the money. I was born in the Eastern Suburbs of Sydney and no money is ever spent here. Only mortgage belt areas of australia get the money because they decide elections except now for 3 independant MPs who hold the balance of power.
dlan1500 2 months ago
@dlan1500 Hey, remember it was Hawke who re-introduced tertiary fees. Both parties kept the negative gearing rort, and uncontrolled immigration of opportunist Chinese coming here via the back door called New Zealand, or via other rorts. The end result: Housing prices far too expensive for first home Australian buyers, especially those with the punitive HECS fees. So the politicians "earnt" their 40% pay rise? The politicians are criminals in suits. My response: DON'T VOTE, THEY CAN FUCK OFF.
creativeengineer 1 month ago
@creativeengineer Low interest rates were also a factor, but negative gearing screwed the entire country. The blood will spill when the housing market collapses in 2 years. And the politicians will ask for another 40% pay rise.
creativeengineer 1 month ago
@creativeengineer The only thing Australians should get for free is health care, because you often cant choose your health and you shouldn't have to suffer financially for it. But if you choose to be educated at a tertiary level then you should have to pay. I think Hawke tried to get rid of negative gearing in the mid 80s but there was a backlash because there would be no incentives for investors to build housing. The home grants in 2001 sent property through the roof and the Rudd top up as well
dlan1500 1 month ago
@dlan1500 Those "on higher incomes" are punished with higher taxes, especially under Hawke. The home grants were a disaster - ill conceived, foolish and short sighted. Next came insulation scam - so baldy planned, a chook raffle at a kindergarten BBQ could have been run better. Rudd's indifference to the bereaved families of the electrocuted young men putting in the insulation beggars belief.
creativeengineer 1 month ago
@creativeengineer All governments make mistakes. Its no different to the families who lost sons in the Howard wars that we should not have got involved in. Joe Hockey hasn't got a clue about economics and tried to cover up their costing before the last election only for Treasury to discover 11 billion dollar hole. Turnbull would be a good leader but he is probably in the wrong party. Believes in gay marriage, Climate change, price on carbon etc
dlan1500 1 month ago
@dlan1500 Agreed, Howard was a war monger. And a criminal in that he conspired with Bush to force a confession from David Hicks, and then organised the imprisonment of Hicks without trial in Australia (carried out by Rudd) - a complete travesty of justice. Howard was a bastard of a PM and should be imprisoned. So I am not a blind liberal. I won't vote until there is someone to vote for.
creativeengineer 1 month ago
@creativeengineer Fraser is often regarded as one of our worst PM's. The Hawke and Keating reforms of the 80s to open up our economy should have been done by the Fraser Govt well before. The problem with conservatives is that they don't like to make big reforms and the National Party would never have allowed it. The Nationals along with the Greens are the biggest waste of space. Nationals supporting farmers ....what a joke. They sold out the farmers 10 years ago.
dlan1500 1 month ago
@dlan1500 Agreed, the Greens attracts idiotic idealist young lefties who have no idea. The carbon tax is a farce and the liar Julia Gillard will pay dearly for that and her bloodless coup in coming to power. It will happen within weeks. But it should not be Rudd - he is a criminal for imprisoning Hicks without trial and then ensuring all monies from "crime" are garnished. Hicks NEVER committed a crime by the way. Rudd belongs in jail.
creativeengineer 1 month ago
@creativeengineer We can blame John Howard for the carbon tax as he was the first one to come up with the idea before the 2007 election which Rudd and Turnbull took up as well and now Gillard. It wont cut emissions and its probably just an extension of the GST. A higher tax on goods and services and then we get income tax breaks on our income. Pointless. Im not sure what Rudd had to do with Hicks. I thought the whole saga happened under Howard. Maybe Im wrong.
dlan1500 1 month ago
@creativeengineer I strongly believe in a free and open economy. I don't care much about political parties or personalities. Im a reformist and whether you vote Labor or Liberal the facts are we had one government in our life that had the guts to change Australia for the better. The float of the dollar is regarded as the single greatest economic reform in Australia's history along with the deregulation of the financial and banking system and it was labor govt that did this.... unbelievable
dlan1500 1 month ago
@dlan1500 Yes he floated the dollar... and under Keating's leadership our dollar became junk, especially when banana republic Keating slept in one morning. Still, floating the dollar was a good idea, agreed. But their artificially punitive interest rates (and a massive tax on new home buyers in the form of subsidies to those who bought a house before 1982) has made Hawke and Keating life long enemies.
creativeengineer 1 month ago
@creativeengineer Atleast it was better managed than the float of the Thai currency which crushed all of asia in 1997. The float is good because it doesn't involve government interference. The free market decides. Right now its doing a good job with the mining boom and keeping inflation under control. If our dollar was weak right now we would have to many sectors booming with high wages growth, leading to inflation and higher interest rates.
dlan1500 1 month ago
What about Hawke's economic highlights? Record bank home interest rates at 18.5% for first home buyers who subsidized old home loans for others clipped at the 13.5% ceiling. This clown was the worst prime minister in Australia's history, subjecting first home buyers to economic slavery. Lest we forget, Hawke.
creativeengineer 4 months ago
@creativeengineer Idiots like you who think politicians have any real control over interest rates and inflation is reason why Australian politics is a sewer.
Popsumpot 2 months ago
@Popsumpot Listen clown, it was Hawke's socialist government which decided to freeze interest rates for those who bought houses before 1982. Those who bought them after subsidized them to the tune of about an extra 1% to 5%. That was a Hawke government initiative, the brainchild of the worlds greatest fuckwit treasurer Paul Keating. And don't forget the record 12% (was really 19%) unemployment under Labor's anti-incentive socialist government.
creativeengineer 2 months ago