im split here part of me is saying its a good fold HOWEVER had he had raised it would 66 and 44s call given you raise maybe 5* but would such a big raise be worth a small profit vs a big risk... you should all know by now that aces can be beaten but throwing them away preflop idk still... if the flop had come with aces i truely do beileve 90% of you would be caling him a donk and a tard esp if two aces came out... overall it for him in his situation was a good fold any other time it would b dumb
If he played it the others would instantly know what he had... there would be no point. They would either bluff him out on a scary board or draw out on him. This way he's not gambling with money secured for his family.
Every single one of you who are hating on the guy are fucking retarded.He is a grown ass man who has absolutely no bussines playing high stakes poker.So he won a freeroll and is now in a cash game with high stake regulars.He booked a good win that for a man his age are LIFE changing money ( for him and his family ).Who the fuck cares if IN THE LONG RUN that is a bad play.He was there for like what 150 hands or sth?.He booked a win and wanted to lock it down, that smart and adult thinink.
@Diavolo222 Agree, in 99% of situations this would be retarted. This is the 1% of the time that this makes sense. He was trying to win the money he already had in front of him, not to mention the passport for the top winner of the season. This isn't some guy playing 2-5 at the local casino.
wow and now he feels clever... he better fucking not though. he should have raised massively and deterred small shitty pairs. thats what happens, tehy flop quads.
the guys says: "you can't make fun of me now for laying down pocket Aces pre flop" @ 3:15. Thumbs up if you think that guy is retarded for not raising pre flop... what a retard
you guys dont get it hes some poor school teacher who had just doubled through phil hellmuth and was sitting on a $140,000 profit...which was probably more than 3x his ANNUAL salary so 3 years of work in one night...and he said he was gonna lock that up and fold every hand because the "loose cannon" must play the whole 150 hands so thats what he did and it worked for him
what an absolute DONK! so why he s looking his hand,if he s folding aces? it means he s folding all hands, fucking donkey loser! If he s scared, he moves all in, and take a little pot, but dont lose preflop with aces, this is so pathetic, fucking idiot ever seen!!!!!!
I don't mind that he's playing scared money from this point on, just because he wants to lock up his profit... but at least don't make it so obvious. Now your blinds getting raised 100% of the time...
Donk! .. A good player loses something in this hand .. but wins a hell of a lot more in the long run. Scared money on a table with pro's .. lol, he may have not lost this hand but losing all his money is inevitable with play like that.
@nessitane It's not fake. I saw this episode when it came out. The guy won a ton of money off of Hellmuth and he just wanted to get out of there with his 240,000 dollars of profit.
@Number1ricky I doubt it because he couldn't have shoved there. The game they were playing was pot limit preflop. So, a good player would have called a raise there, seen quads and taken his stack.
how can anyone justify this fold this guy is a total retard i dont care what his situation was his profit should have been taken off him for doing this
If I tell you I have an unevenly-weighted coin 51% on tails and 49% on heads, and you can choose take a bet of 1 Billion dollars with Bill Gates. If you lose the bet, you will have to work all your life to pay back Bill Gates and live a poor man's life forever; if you win the bet, you can keep 1 Billion dollars. How many of you will actually take that bet? The same goes through this guy's mind, I believe.
Why are people are defending this. The guy is amateur, and yes he gets to keep the money he makes. He wasn't being asked to call huge bet. He was being asked to call a $1,600 raise for him. He had a 49.2% chance of winning with that hand. Is $1,600 a lot for a guy? Sure, but it's only like a week of wages, and he's got a 49% chance of winning a pot for $5,200 pre-flop.
Think about it he had a 50.8% chance of losing a wk's sal. but a 49.2% chance of winning sal. for 3.25 wks. no brainer
Вообще-то тузов народ разыгрывать не умеет. Частенько попадая в сет забираю у АА весь стек. Бездумно грузят фишки совершенно не думая, с чем их могут колить.
If he made a big bet, evryone should fold after him because they know he will be playing really tight. I think he could have won that hand to be honest
i had AA a lot of times ... i honestly lost everytime i played them. Even after folding them, it turn out i wld have lost ;) Im honest! Some kind of crazy ..
I would have played it but I wouldn't risk a large amount of money so it might have went differently had the cannon stayed in. The cannon would have lost about 14k on that hand but they might have bet smaller to keep the cannon in until the river.
Freerolled to get in, gets to keep 140k if he doesnt play another hand... Prob has never seen more than 50k in his own hands... Why risk it? Careerwise this is a smart laydown, that 140k represents his new bankroll, if you walked from that game with 140k in your pocket, would your next move be to put it all on the table on HSPoker??? Dont think so, playing any hand here is the same thing imo
@GoldenBoyXCM since when has 4800 been small dont forget hes not rich hes a teacher who was in profit he had a few hands to play till he could leave otherwise he would have already left. The way it works is the 100k satck isnt his but he keeps the profit
you guys who think hes an idiot are fking retards. There has to be a reson why you would fold aces right? no one and i mean no one would fold this hand in a cash game in normal circumstances and you all should know that, but in your dumb narrow minds he folded them because hes stupid
ok ask yourselfs this would a guy playing poker on telvision fold his aces for no other reason, than he stupid? no he obviously would not. He was about 50k up didnt buy in like the pros he only keeps his profit anything up to the 100k buy in would not be his. he folded because it was pot limit preflop he could only raise to 9900 which means lakk and mercerier are getting great odds to call and make a set. no one in the right mind would want to get in a pot worth 50k if they only make 30 k a year
Everyone criticizing this guy clearly don't know his story or are just very rich and really don't care. This guy is just a high school teacher or something who got a chance to sit down with the pros with 100K in front of him. After 145 hands played he's up what he makes in 5 years working hard and is 5 hands away to book a life changing win. STFU ! He didn't care he wasn't making the correct play, he was thinking about sending his children to a good university !!
@DimmuBorgir123456789 Yes, it was indeed. My guess is that his line of thought like "I'll never be able to play this hand properly with scared money... I'm to afraid to raise now, I'll never check/raise the flop nor will I ever call a big bet on the river... Meh, Fold!" ... Also, this guy clearly had a plan after winning all the money which was as simple as: FOLD! Since he folded the entire last episode, around 30 hands
@grrrrrrrrrrrreg it takes balls to care about other people more than yourself. He shoulve played that hand according to everyone but he had the balls to fold it for his kids.
@vruuuuk so much backup for this one. ofc in the majority of hands this was non profitable play. but you gotta remember the loose cannon is stacked, he has a lot of $ save if he just folds himself through.
and he is clearly the worst player there, he can be outplayed easily with aces, being in a scared money mindset, let there be a draw on board and he can be fooled into committing or folding the better hand. in this case obviously he was outflopped already. so. fair game bro.
@Dynaty20 I don't know if I understood your point, he is stacked with 100K, but he only gets to keep whatever he wins above the 100k, he cannot fold every hand and take 80k home... atm of this particular hand, he was up 150k, meaning he had 250k in front of him, but the initial 100k are not his.
@Dynaty20: What do you mean he can be easily outplayed with aces?!? Don't down play this guys ability to play poker even if he's an amateur. Remember he only had that huge pile of chips because he spanked Phil Hellmuth earlier in the tourney.
@vruuuuk sorry but this is bullshit. he wouldn't be there if he wouldn't be or at least pretend to be a good player. and to fold AA preflop is ALWAYS as wack move... if he tried to grow his stack for a good university then he shouldn't have played like a fish and fold the nuts
@arbeitslos123456 he won his way there by winning a free tournament at pokerstars, not much skill about winning one of those... again, he wasn't playing to grow his ego nor to grow his popularity.
@vruuuuk: Yeah, but at the same time he was up some $129k in profit. It was $1,600 for him to call the raise (since he was sb). He's got the best pre-flop odds, the best any other player can do with him pre-flop is spilt the pot. So he SHOULD try to see the flop. If the flop comes 2c, Ah, Ad, then he'd know he had the best hand since no-one would be able to get a straight flush.
Think about it. He's got at least a 95% chance of winning up through the river if it flops two aces.
@Biswalt well, I would be the first one to call him a huge fish if he just called pre.flop, but if you think that's the correct play... Also, I don't see him folding AA after that flop, if Jason didn't fold that hand, how would someone fold AA ? Also, there is a better chance of him being beat in the flop than flopping two aces, lol xD
@vruuuuk: I'm not saying he should've just called. It's irrelevant what happened after the flop. He didn't know what was going to happen after the flop. Going into the flop he had a 49% chance of winning the hand which he knew were the best pre-flop odds. He was only being asked to call a $1,600 raise, and he's got $129k in profit. Yes the odds are that he will still lose the hand (50.2% he will lose), that's poker. But there were no cards with better odds to win, and the bet was small
@Biswalt well probably at this point he wasn't about maximizing his EV, but making sure that he actually brings his profit home, sklansky dollars don't buy you much.
@mourantell: I get that, but you've got the nuts pre-flop. It's only going to cost you $1,600 out of $129k to see the flop. You should at least see the flop. Like I said, what if that had been 2 aces and an off suit 7. In that case you know you'll win against everything except a straight flush, so why not pay the $1,600? I understand he's trying to keep his winnings, but he can't gamble with $1,600 out of $129k in profit? That's absurd... live a little.
@Biswalt well I wouldn't fold either, but that guy with his mindset at that point didn't really make such a huge mistake. If he is contemplating folding pf, then after a call he would be very easy to be scared off of any hand as his biggest fear is losing a big pot and I am sure the other players know that. If you take into considerations the number of times he will fold the best hand after the flop, it's not that bad at all. He simply realized that he can't play poker properly at this stage.
If you fold with AA preflop then quit playing poker.. geez.. Although he was lucky that he would loose.. But again.. If you fold with AA then what would you go in with? wtf..
@dibs478 clearly I did.. I was stating the fact that it was a terrible play to fold pocket aces pre flop against two players. Nothing to do what happened after the that. It was still bad play.
@MaxN91 yes i completely agree, and how many times do u win a monster with aces anyway? Wasn't worth it for the guy because off the odds against aces, too much obviously.
The only thing I don't understand or that I'd have done different in his shoes would have been to not look at my cards if I decide to fold my way to the end of the 150 hands. Just show them to the camera and fold. The "what if..." play can be done later too.
In hindsight good play lol, otherwise don't really know why. If he was in, probably would've lost alot, maybe putting laak on the King. But should only really fold Aces on the bubbles of big tournaments.
That is a Donkey fold. alternatively he could move all-in preflop, which is a lot better as it earns him a few more thousand dollars (or a call for a huge amount where he leads big).
OK... so you don't want to 3B and get stuck to the pot, but why not then just call and--and set mine? Now of course this hand wouldn't have worked out, but he certainly could've just played it very passively and folded to any heat. You say that he wanted to walk away with his profit, but how can you turn down the chance at MORE profit when you have THE BEST starting hand in poker? You have to look at the flop.
I wouldnt have recognized laak if they didnt say his name and list it, why the hell does he have that weird hairdew, charity? lost bet? very unrecognizable, lol.
@UndercoverLdn now i know that if i play against you, i re raise you, you gonna fold your aces little stupid dumbest ass in the WORLD EVER !!! and don't answer that you got nothing to say stupid dumber ever, see you in the pokerroom :)
people are saying nice read lol who can read something in that situation i think he had a bad feeling and he fold ,remeber is pot limite if it was nl he would raise and re raise and do everything before the flop.premonitian lol.but any away very strange move but he was rite kkkkk
Two people in the pot in front of him with one left to go behind him. The odds of winning with AA vs 3 random hands is about 62%. He had the potential to lose his ass on this hand. I absolutely support his fold here.
Ironically if you CAN'T fold bullets pre-flop, regardless of the circumstances, you don't belong at any poker table. Except mine.
@mdtalley In a straight up cash game you never fold aces preflop, period. Unless maybe the stakes are too high for your bankroll, which would mean that you shouldn't be playing at that table in the first place. When your put in your money with pocket rockets, you get a positive expected value, and that's what poker's about. Tourney is a different story. Given the circumstances, Fishman made the right move here, regardless of the result. He also folded KK a few hands after.
@Sycsa The EV against 3 or 4 random opponents is much different than against a single opponent. He absolutely made the right call here. You have to figure at least one other person probably has one of your aces, and there's a possibility suited connectors out there too.
@mdtalley Yeah, we agree on Fishman making the right fold. Still, if you play your aces right, you almost never have to go up against three opponents, and even if you're facing three other pocket pairs or suited connectors, you're still above 50% to win. Pot limit preflop does make it harder to isolate opponents, but it's very rare in NL cash games and a rule specifically applied here because of the loose cannon concept.
wow, i cant believe how many ppl are this fucking stupid. This game is pot-limit pre-flop.. u cant shove. Its to force these amateurs to play the hands post-flop. Dont u think he would have shoved if he could?
im split here part of me is saying its a good fold HOWEVER had he had raised it would 66 and 44s call given you raise maybe 5* but would such a big raise be worth a small profit vs a big risk... you should all know by now that aces can be beaten but throwing them away preflop idk still... if the flop had come with aces i truely do beileve 90% of you would be caling him a donk and a tard esp if two aces came out... overall it for him in his situation was a good fold any other time it would b dumb
KillEveryoneKillPhil 6 hours ago
its lockn up the money,why risk it ,gr8 fold
high5ghost26 12 hours ago
Pretty disgusting how some poker players only think in terms of probability and chips, and not what130k means to a working class family.
nioor 3 days ago 5
@nioor Exactly, I am a poker player too and I like his play.
sanderking52 2 days ago
If he played it the others would instantly know what he had... there would be no point. They would either bluff him out on a scary board or draw out on him. This way he's not gambling with money secured for his family.
DeepSpaceNinja 5 days ago
ahahah if you look in to his eyes you can see its empty in there
preitaly 5 days ago
That's one GREAT fold!
AdrianAwesomeness 5 days ago
im not that good to fold pre flop
kaudogg 6 days ago in playlist Favorite videos
They say poker it's all about knowing when to fold !
merara11 1 week ago
BEST FOLD EVER!!!!!
Manveru31 1 week ago
"He's thinking of step pedaling"
? What does that mean?
adolfolicious 1 week ago
he did a very good decision
exclushunedoara 1 week ago
@exclushunedoara
no he didn't, it was a horrible decision
pufixas 1 week ago
Every single one of you who are hating on the guy are fucking retarded.He is a grown ass man who has absolutely no bussines playing high stakes poker.So he won a freeroll and is now in a cash game with high stake regulars.He booked a good win that for a man his age are LIFE changing money ( for him and his family ).Who the fuck cares if IN THE LONG RUN that is a bad play.He was there for like what 150 hands or sth?.He booked a win and wanted to lock it down, that smart and adult thinink.
Diavolo222 1 week ago 11
@Diavolo222 cussing every 3 words makes you look super cool
Ke7cHuM 1 week ago
@Diavolo222 just be quiet.
AirBahg 1 week ago
@Diavolo222 Agree, in 99% of situations this would be retarted. This is the 1% of the time that this makes sense. He was trying to win the money he already had in front of him, not to mention the passport for the top winner of the season. This isn't some guy playing 2-5 at the local casino.
ikickpuppies01 3 days ago
He's either retarded, or he's a real psychic!
pumpkinpie78 1 week ago 2
wow and now he feels clever... he better fucking not though. he should have raised massively and deterred small shitty pairs. thats what happens, tehy flop quads.
weatherallc05 1 week ago
he is clever!
michaelapoelau17 1 week ago
the guys says: "you can't make fun of me now for laying down pocket Aces pre flop" @ 3:15. Thumbs up if you think that guy is retarded for not raising pre flop... what a retard
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spelatight 1 week ago
I think he lay down his hands once he realized he forgot his poker face.
yes4me 2 weeks ago 3
That's wild
tomrom83 2 weeks ago
to fold pocket aces..dumb as hell--but it worked out like a charm for him--unreal
mikex8559 2 weeks ago
lool im gamblin with aces all day
DARKR3APZ 2 weeks ago
@superwebnoob u'r right. He should have go all in with open cards :P and he is taking a small pot :P cause no one sane would call him.
matim90 2 weeks ago
you guys dont get it hes some poor school teacher who had just doubled through phil hellmuth and was sitting on a $140,000 profit...which was probably more than 3x his ANNUAL salary so 3 years of work in one night...and he said he was gonna lock that up and fold every hand because the "loose cannon" must play the whole 150 hands so thats what he did and it worked for him
RickyJnum1FAN 2 weeks ago 6
Which episode is this...wow. It was a wrong/dumb move but it paid off, like many other times in poker wrong decisions make for the biggest pots.
net4uall 2 weeks ago
what an absolute DONK! so why he s looking his hand,if he s folding aces? it means he s folding all hands, fucking donkey loser! If he s scared, he moves all in, and take a little pot, but dont lose preflop with aces, this is so pathetic, fucking idiot ever seen!!!!!!
superwebnoob 2 weeks ago
I don't mind that he's playing scared money from this point on, just because he wants to lock up his profit... but at least don't make it so obvious. Now your blinds getting raised 100% of the time...
WaspSnG 2 weeks ago
Donk! .. A good player loses something in this hand .. but wins a hell of a lot more in the long run. Scared money on a table with pro's .. lol, he may have not lost this hand but losing all his money is inevitable with play like that.
DarkTenka 3 weeks ago
@DarkTenka maybee u didnt get it, this is NOT the long run...
maxkorsoer 2 weeks ago
@maxkorsoer lol? .. it is ALWAYS the long run .. you ALWAYS factor in the long run or you are a bad player.
DarkTenka 2 weeks ago
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MartinJoker 3 weeks ago
fake for idiots!!!
nessitane 3 weeks ago
@nessitane It's not fake. I saw this episode when it came out. The guy won a ton of money off of Hellmuth and he just wanted to get out of there with his 240,000 dollars of profit.
mbr05c 2 weeks ago
incredible...amazing hot this man know to fold?
RomaniaLove2Pac 3 weeks ago
If he would have raised early pre flop he won have won though.
Number1ricky 3 weeks ago
@Number1ricky I doubt it because he couldn't have shoved there. The game they were playing was pot limit preflop. So, a good player would have called a raise there, seen quads and taken his stack.
mbr05c 2 weeks ago
Folded aces. Quads to Laak on the flop. Statistically, it was a terrible fold. In this case, it was a FANTASTIC fold. That's all there is to it.
ThePanchrest 3 weeks ago
how can anyone justify this fold this guy is a total retard i dont care what his situation was his profit should have been taken off him for doing this
MrMicko21 3 weeks ago
Given the situation that is a conservative but smart fold, good play!
rico305305 3 weeks ago
What a fu cking idiot
MRadas2015 3 weeks ago
all in would make them fold
masterm01 3 weeks ago
@masterm01 but thats a stupid move with 250k or whatever he's got, he didn't wanna get beat so he folded. he's done well.
jayjaymatt 3 weeks ago
@masterm01 pre-flop only pot-limit rule was accepted
didieARM 3 weeks ago
If I tell you I have an unevenly-weighted coin 51% on tails and 49% on heads, and you can choose take a bet of 1 Billion dollars with Bill Gates. If you lose the bet, you will have to work all your life to pay back Bill Gates and live a poor man's life forever; if you win the bet, you can keep 1 Billion dollars. How many of you will actually take that bet? The same goes through this guy's mind, I believe.
justinpchan 4 weeks ago
Why are people are defending this. The guy is amateur, and yes he gets to keep the money he makes. He wasn't being asked to call huge bet. He was being asked to call a $1,600 raise for him. He had a 49.2% chance of winning with that hand. Is $1,600 a lot for a guy? Sure, but it's only like a week of wages, and he's got a 49% chance of winning a pot for $5,200 pre-flop.
Think about it he had a 50.8% chance of losing a wk's sal. but a 49.2% chance of winning sal. for 3.25 wks. no brainer
Biswalt 4 weeks ago
@Biswalt $1,600 is like a month of wages for me! haha
slick88zx 2 weeks ago
its weird but amazing. he must have seen the quads coming somehow.
kaimelis 4 weeks ago
he is an idiot
wrobel5 4 weeks ago
ну доехадо - да. но скинуть ТУЗЫ на префлопе... .... пока такие ребята есть - покер будет жить.
sgornostay 1 month ago
@sgornostay
Вообще-то тузов народ разыгрывать не умеет. Частенько попадая в сет забираю у АА весь стек. Бездумно грузят фишки совершенно не думая, с чем их могут колить.
MegaDem0n 1 month ago
I am amazed of all the morons trying to justify this guys idiotic play.
DanSaw120285 1 month ago
Stupid moron, stupid stupid stupid stupid fucking moron
mattyh50 1 month ago
wwwwhhhhhaaaaattttttt ..? ;)
christoph1192 1 month ago
If he made a big bet, evryone should fold after him because they know he will be playing really tight. I think he could have won that hand to be honest
NauseantTube 1 month ago
nice move
PurpleTurtle1337 1 month ago
yes,it is stupid call with quads, but fold with ace's before a floop is also unnormal :DDD
pauliukas1892 1 month ago
What the hell??? Calling with 4 's .. Real stupid, he wasnt kidding, bet he came close to raising!
pescadoygamba 1 month ago
"whaaaaaaat???????"
Blackdizzz 1 month ago
i had AA a lot of times ... i honestly lost everytime i played them. Even after folding them, it turn out i wld have lost ;) Im honest! Some kind of crazy ..
SirDyron 1 month ago
how many times does pocket aces win the hand. If you don't hit the flop, all you have is still aces, when 2-3 can beat you if they hit the flop.
Not saying that I would've folded preflop, I would've raised all in lol and hope Laak folds
EaglesNation24 1 month ago
@EaglesNation24 it´s pot limit preflop
killerkombokalamari 1 month ago
hahaha that was awesome
G0odf3lla 1 month ago
I would have played it but I wouldn't risk a large amount of money so it might have went differently had the cannon stayed in. The cannon would have lost about 14k on that hand but they might have bet smaller to keep the cannon in until the river.
Bisquack 1 month ago
its pot limit preflop you retards
CKyleMr 1 month ago 2
just go all in, 66 would fold
supermanmusician 1 month ago
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Anuncios1990o2000 1 month ago
all in, run it 4 times if called? reduce variance and you're +EV
ComputerGeekoo 1 month ago
u mad brah?
jcnanaman 1 month ago
ala shet .... de la k se salvo el tio
Fercitohuchiha 1 month ago
"this guy is making stuff up" -_-
*watches this clip after the game*
... :O LOOOL
tonyt0ny 1 month ago
there is NO reason to fold that!
when you dont want to lose that money then dont play high stakes poker!!
bomber2909 1 month ago
@bomber2909 omg stfu do you know the situation here? obviously not - please stop blabbing like an idiot.
FormerlyKnownAsShun 1 month ago
@FormerlyKnownAsShun then tell me .. what is the situation
bomber2909 1 month ago
Freerolled to get in, gets to keep 140k if he doesnt play another hand... Prob has never seen more than 50k in his own hands... Why risk it? Careerwise this is a smart laydown, that 140k represents his new bankroll, if you walked from that game with 140k in your pocket, would your next move be to put it all on the table on HSPoker??? Dont think so, playing any hand here is the same thing imo
99wins 1 month ago
Mother of fuck
pointpurple 1 month ago
as it turns out thats the greatest fold ever lol still would never ever do that pre flop
TheLennonlegends 1 month ago
Bullets are overrated.
Mr9ofdiamonds 1 month ago
Cheaters...
Sheiff1 1 month ago
WHAAAAAAAT (cit.)
Ste00I 1 month ago
lol his name describes him perfectly FISHMAN
dieselboy87 1 month ago
i think the show told the party poker dealer to set that hand up for him to lose. .
like such a perfect flop for aces 6 K 6 . he would of lost everything .
moral of the story don't play on party poker ITS RIGGED
jungleace 1 month ago
i dont know... there was no reason to fold the hand, the pot was so small it looks like he knew laak would get quads... really strange
GoldenBoyXCM 1 month ago
@GoldenBoyXCM since when has 4800 been small dont forget hes not rich hes a teacher who was in profit he had a few hands to play till he could leave otherwise he would have already left. The way it works is the 100k satck isnt his but he keeps the profit
jcampbell97 1 month ago
@jcampbell97 there was a small raise and a call- u have no idea about poker kid-mercier cant believe what he sees fucking rigged
GoldenBoyXCM 1 month ago
you guys who think hes an idiot are fking retards. There has to be a reson why you would fold aces right? no one and i mean no one would fold this hand in a cash game in normal circumstances and you all should know that, but in your dumb narrow minds he folded them because hes stupid
jcampbell97 1 month ago
ok ask yourselfs this would a guy playing poker on telvision fold his aces for no other reason, than he stupid? no he obviously would not. He was about 50k up didnt buy in like the pros he only keeps his profit anything up to the 100k buy in would not be his. he folded because it was pot limit preflop he could only raise to 9900 which means lakk and mercerier are getting great odds to call and make a set. no one in the right mind would want to get in a pot worth 50k if they only make 30 k a year
jcampbell97 1 month ago
Everyone criticizing this guy clearly don't know his story or are just very rich and really don't care. This guy is just a high school teacher or something who got a chance to sit down with the pros with 100K in front of him. After 145 hands played he's up what he makes in 5 years working hard and is 5 hands away to book a life changing win. STFU ! He didn't care he wasn't making the correct play, he was thinking about sending his children to a good university !!
vruuuuk 1 month ago 55
@vruuuuk hahahaa yeah sure idiot
GoldenBoyXCM 1 month ago
@vruuuuk you're pretty good at making up stories, i give you that. the dude is a multimillionaire lottery winner
JohnF30Music 1 month ago
@JohnF30Music wanna put your money where your mouth is ? Tho you're right if you consider having the nuts against Helmuth a lottery...
vruuuuk 1 month ago
@vruuuuk But is was just a small bet of 2000, and not a all in for all his money?!
DimmuBorgir123456789 1 month ago
@DimmuBorgir123456789 Yes, it was indeed. My guess is that his line of thought like "I'll never be able to play this hand properly with scared money... I'm to afraid to raise now, I'll never check/raise the flop nor will I ever call a big bet on the river... Meh, Fold!" ... Also, this guy clearly had a plan after winning all the money which was as simple as: FOLD! Since he folded the entire last episode, around 30 hands
vruuuuk 1 month ago
@vruuuuk still the guy completely lacks of balls
grrrrrrrrrrrreg 1 month ago
@grrrrrrrrrrrreg it takes balls to care about other people more than yourself. He shoulve played that hand according to everyone but he had the balls to fold it for his kids.
Shiaguy 1 month ago
@Shiaguy yeah but if i were his kid i'd rather my father has balls then i have money
if you know what i mean
grrrrrrrrrrrreg 1 month ago
@vruuuuk Can you tell me where I can find the whole episode(s)/Story?
tehjoch 1 month ago
@tehjoch at pokerstars.tv, its the Big Game
vruuuuk 4 weeks ago
@vruuuuk thanks
tehjoch 4 weeks ago
@vruuuuk so much backup for this one. ofc in the majority of hands this was non profitable play. but you gotta remember the loose cannon is stacked, he has a lot of $ save if he just folds himself through.
and he is clearly the worst player there, he can be outplayed easily with aces, being in a scared money mindset, let there be a draw on board and he can be fooled into committing or folding the better hand. in this case obviously he was outflopped already. so. fair game bro.
Dynaty20 4 weeks ago
@Dynaty20 I don't know if I understood your point, he is stacked with 100K, but he only gets to keep whatever he wins above the 100k, he cannot fold every hand and take 80k home... atm of this particular hand, he was up 150k, meaning he had 250k in front of him, but the initial 100k are not his.
vruuuuk 4 weeks ago
@Dynaty20: What do you mean he can be easily outplayed with aces?!? Don't down play this guys ability to play poker even if he's an amateur. Remember he only had that huge pile of chips because he spanked Phil Hellmuth earlier in the tourney.
Biswalt 4 weeks ago
@vruuuuk sorry but this is bullshit. he wouldn't be there if he wouldn't be or at least pretend to be a good player. and to fold AA preflop is ALWAYS as wack move... if he tried to grow his stack for a good university then he shouldn't have played like a fish and fold the nuts
arbeitslos123456 4 weeks ago
@arbeitslos123456 he won his way there by winning a free tournament at pokerstars, not much skill about winning one of those... again, he wasn't playing to grow his ego nor to grow his popularity.
vruuuuk 4 weeks ago
@vruuuuk: Yeah, but at the same time he was up some $129k in profit. It was $1,600 for him to call the raise (since he was sb). He's got the best pre-flop odds, the best any other player can do with him pre-flop is spilt the pot. So he SHOULD try to see the flop. If the flop comes 2c, Ah, Ad, then he'd know he had the best hand since no-one would be able to get a straight flush.
Think about it. He's got at least a 95% chance of winning up through the river if it flops two aces.
Biswalt 4 weeks ago
@Biswalt well, I would be the first one to call him a huge fish if he just called pre.flop, but if you think that's the correct play... Also, I don't see him folding AA after that flop, if Jason didn't fold that hand, how would someone fold AA ? Also, there is a better chance of him being beat in the flop than flopping two aces, lol xD
vruuuuk 4 weeks ago
@vruuuuk: I'm not saying he should've just called. It's irrelevant what happened after the flop. He didn't know what was going to happen after the flop. Going into the flop he had a 49% chance of winning the hand which he knew were the best pre-flop odds. He was only being asked to call a $1,600 raise, and he's got $129k in profit. Yes the odds are that he will still lose the hand (50.2% he will lose), that's poker. But there were no cards with better odds to win, and the bet was small
Biswalt 4 weeks ago
@Biswalt well probably at this point he wasn't about maximizing his EV, but making sure that he actually brings his profit home, sklansky dollars don't buy you much.
mourantell 4 weeks ago
@mourantell: I get that, but you've got the nuts pre-flop. It's only going to cost you $1,600 out of $129k to see the flop. You should at least see the flop. Like I said, what if that had been 2 aces and an off suit 7. In that case you know you'll win against everything except a straight flush, so why not pay the $1,600? I understand he's trying to keep his winnings, but he can't gamble with $1,600 out of $129k in profit? That's absurd... live a little.
Biswalt 4 weeks ago
@Biswalt well I wouldn't fold either, but that guy with his mindset at that point didn't really make such a huge mistake. If he is contemplating folding pf, then after a call he would be very easy to be scared off of any hand as his biggest fear is losing a big pot and I am sure the other players know that. If you take into considerations the number of times he will fold the best hand after the flop, it's not that bad at all. He simply realized that he can't play poker properly at this stage.
mourantell 3 weeks ago
If you fold with AA preflop then quit playing poker.. geez.. Although he was lucky that he would loose.. But again.. If you fold with AA then what would you go in with? wtf..
malakasofdeath 1 month ago
2:30 "AIYAAAH" lol
andywtfff 1 month ago
well pocket aces how to fold? flop gaved him quads but in 100000x hands u will get this maybe
so how he can be proud like this and laughing after the round like " i knew it,,, thats why i fold aces "
retarded bastard look on t his face
Syforce92 1 month ago
@dibs478 clearly I did.. I was stating the fact that it was a terrible play to fold pocket aces pre flop against two players. Nothing to do what happened after the that. It was still bad play.
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Davezilla26 1 month ago
its a bad fold if u play on your limit obv .
if u have life changing money in front of u , and your a bad postflop player its an easy muck
MaxN91 1 month ago
@MaxN91 yes i completely agree, and how many times do u win a monster with aces anyway? Wasn't worth it for the guy because off the odds against aces, too much obviously.
sexpistolsdaz 1 month ago
it's a cashgame so it's never a correct fold.
If you're in a tourney and want to get a higher pay then maybe.
chanodewens 1 month ago
WTF What an idiot! Worst fold ever.
StewartWood88 1 month ago
@StewartWood88 Clearly you didn't watch the rest of the video.
dibs478 1 month ago
to everyone who says he might a stupid fold, try to imagine this guys EV/Variance graphic
Taroxus 1 month ago
Nice read!
bassnchess 1 month ago
this guy is a total jerk and shouldnt be at this table..fucking idiot
weapons33 1 month ago
The only thing I don't understand or that I'd have done different in his shoes would have been to not look at my cards if I decide to fold my way to the end of the 150 hands. Just show them to the camera and fold. The "what if..." play can be done later too.
KACDragon20 1 month ago
only in a million hands
evolutionfarm479 1 month ago
terrible laydown. got really lucky though
let88it88be 2 months ago 2
@let88it88be lol ok "poker pro" get a life
ARMEDSh0t 1 month ago
@let88it88be really????????????
crackz123 1 month ago
@crackz123 really??????????
let88it88be 1 month ago
In hindsight good play lol, otherwise don't really know why. If he was in, probably would've lost alot, maybe putting laak on the King. But should only really fold Aces on the bubbles of big tournaments.
whitey9933 2 months ago
how?!!!
pmrooter 2 months ago
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DjNewtOfficial 2 months ago
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That is a Donkey fold. alternatively he could move all-in preflop, which is a lot better as it earns him a few more thousand dollars (or a call for a huge amount where he leads big).
nirorgad 2 months ago
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nirorgad 2 months ago
I don't understand...
To all the people saying he was smart to fold,
OK... so you don't want to 3B and get stuck to the pot, but why not then just call and--and set mine? Now of course this hand wouldn't have worked out, but he certainly could've just played it very passively and folded to any heat. You say that he wanted to walk away with his profit, but how can you turn down the chance at MORE profit when you have THE BEST starting hand in poker? You have to look at the flop.
JohnLeeMD 2 months ago
look at these smile...somehow HE knew he would lose...O.o AMAZING
DJMAXPROJECT 2 months ago
i saw the fold and I don't believe it!.... omg !!!!!,but than the flop is coming and I figured .....omg!!!!
KocksRhythmus 2 months ago
If he had enough profit so he got out of the table but folding AA pre flop,so bad play !
rated1man 2 months ago
I hate how this show is pot limit.
gaminkalv 2 months ago
come on are u kiddin me??
he supposed to went there to play..
jesus
tsias10 2 months ago
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yabbaguy 2 months ago
best fold ever he wouldve gotten murdered!
nimblenimrod69 2 months ago
If he didn't want to play aces he should've bet 50k or something outlandish like that that would've made them lay their hands down.
Cdub2k 2 months ago
@Cdub2k The game is pot limit preflop so he can't raise enough to get rid of all the opponents.
Sycsa 2 months ago
I wouldnt have recognized laak if they didnt say his name and list it, why the hell does he have that weird hairdew, charity? lost bet? very unrecognizable, lol.
Wisest90 2 months ago
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat ;)
99Fenomeno 2 months ago
3:10 lol :-D
SinusPlexus 2 months ago
The question is.. what if he had the pair of 6s?
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spelatight 2 months ago
Uhh... still aces!
yabbaguy 2 months ago
is that phil laak WTF happened to him?? did jennifer leave him? LOL
KILLtheMESSENGER101 2 months ago
-Throws them away...!!!
-Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat??? :P
GenuineKiller18 2 months ago
Some player just cannot get off AA preflop.
You have to fold it if you know you're gonna get outflopped.
That was genius !
skearo75013 2 months ago
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ElValhallaMeEspera 2 months ago
what you gonna call pre flop if you fold AA ???? scared money as f*ck
kalorication 2 months ago
@kalorication
dumbass
UndercoverLdn 2 months ago
@UndercoverLdn now i know that if i play against you, i re raise you, you gonna fold your aces little stupid dumbest ass in the WORLD EVER !!! and don't answer that you got nothing to say stupid dumber ever, see you in the pokerroom :)
kalorication 2 months ago
@kalorication
Lol....
UndercoverLdn 2 months ago
@kalorication
You obviously are too stupid to realize why he folded aces.
UndercoverLdn 2 months ago
the fuck.....? id keep that shit a secret.
williac100 2 months ago
people are saying nice read lol who can read something in that situation i think he had a bad feeling and he fold ,remeber is pot limite if it was nl he would raise and re raise and do everything before the flop.premonitian lol.but any away very strange move but he was rite kkkkk
SuperPedro1976 3 months ago
Two people in the pot in front of him with one left to go behind him. The odds of winning with AA vs 3 random hands is about 62%. He had the potential to lose his ass on this hand. I absolutely support his fold here.
Ironically if you CAN'T fold bullets pre-flop, regardless of the circumstances, you don't belong at any poker table. Except mine.
mdtalley 3 months ago
@mdtalley In a straight up cash game you never fold aces preflop, period. Unless maybe the stakes are too high for your bankroll, which would mean that you shouldn't be playing at that table in the first place. When your put in your money with pocket rockets, you get a positive expected value, and that's what poker's about. Tourney is a different story. Given the circumstances, Fishman made the right move here, regardless of the result. He also folded KK a few hands after.
Sycsa 2 months ago
@Sycsa The EV against 3 or 4 random opponents is much different than against a single opponent. He absolutely made the right call here. You have to figure at least one other person probably has one of your aces, and there's a possibility suited connectors out there too.
mdtalley 2 months ago
@mdtalley Yeah, we agree on Fishman making the right fold. Still, if you play your aces right, you almost never have to go up against three opponents, and even if you're facing three other pocket pairs or suited connectors, you're still above 50% to win. Pot limit preflop does make it harder to isolate opponents, but it's very rare in NL cash games and a rule specifically applied here because of the loose cannon concept.
Sycsa 2 months ago
nice read from the bald guy
RICHARD272007 3 months ago
wow, i cant believe how many ppl are this fucking stupid. This game is pot-limit pre-flop.. u cant shove. Its to force these amateurs to play the hands post-flop. Dont u think he would have shoved if he could?
AneurysmXX 3 months ago
Check out my video "Howard Coward". A shortfilm about a Howard you might know, who is 1000 times more of a nit than this guy
MrUndead115 3 months ago