The Battle of China Pt. 1 of 7

[irvine0]

Good documentary movie. Besides having more land and people, China was inferior to Japan in every aspect for a war. China was broken into several parts controlled by different warlords. A farming country with very little factories and road. Japan had better trained and larger army in the beginning. China was being cut off from many kind of raw materials. China had put up a good fight to hold that long.

[0000000022]

Sorry my poor english .It was"NOT"discoverd，

ButI I like his not propaganda movies.they are so good!

[0000000022]

even one film that Japanese army slaughtered were discoverd，

so capra used film that Chinise National Party kliis Communist party of Cnina.

[OscarLiu24]

one interesting thing here is the introduction music. It's the March of Volunteers, later became the national anthem of People's Republic of China when communist took over.

[spookedbysuits]

Holy shit, Chinese women can pop babies out while walking in lines.

[carlistafilipino]

Regardless of the issues surrounding Chiang Kai-shek and his family, America should not have abandoned him.

[donguinto]

Blame Tibet conflict on the British who invaded it after centuries of Chinese rule. The India-China border conflict is another example of British colonialism. The British messed up the borders after they were ousted.

[vandeheyeric]

@donguinto So, so many problems:

1. There was no such thing as "centuries of Chinese rule" when the British marched in in 1904. The records of the beleaguered Qing diplomats make that much obvious. Tibet nominally deferred to the Qing Dynasty and actually did whatever the hell it wanted.

2. The British weren't ousted. They marched out. Both in 1904 and 1945.

3. The British had absolutely nothing to do with Mao's invasion in 1950, three years after the Raj was dissolved.

[msijerry]

Republic of China

[Konata2010]

LOL..you can tell this was from another era " In all it's existence China has never waged a war of conquest" xD

[calis920]

The jap apologists come out of the woodwork once again and display their ignorance to the world, well as always historical records and forensic evidence clearly show the degree of Japanese aggression towards China and the rest of the world (and in violation of Japanese military law on top of that), so the truth is plainly clear on their culpability

[kaito8209]

China started the war. because China made some signal of the war.

1937,7,7....The Marco polo Bridge incident(盧溝橋事件）

1937,7,25...Langfang Incident（廊坊事件）

1937,7,26...（広安門事件）

1937,7,29....Tungchow Mutiny（通州事件）

1937,8,13..,Battle of shanghai（第二次上海事変）

[kaito8209]

(Part1)Japan had no intention of starting the war against China, and immediately ordered the front army not to expand the battle beyond and cease fire swiftly and peacefully, as the Emperor Showa (Hirohito) so strongly wished. The cease-fire agreement was reached in four days. However, China broke the agreement. Japan reluctantly dispatched three more divisions on July 27 to North China. On the 29th, in the city of Tungchow (Thongzhou),

[kaito8209]

@kaito8209

(Part2) some 250 Japanese residents were murdered by the Chinese troops, and this incident was being called the 'Tungchow Massacre'. In August 1937, the Japanese government formulated the peace　proposal. Both the Japanese Army and Navy agreed to this peace proposal. What this proposal implied was that all the interests Japan had acquired since the Manchurian Incident should become nullified. This was indeed a drastic concession, which Japan had ever conceded.

[gold636]

@kaito8209 Ok, so how many Chinese resident did the Japs killed?? And you cannot say its fake...there are videos and pictures !!!

[kaito8209]

@kaito8209

(Part3)However, the peace negotiation between Japan and China crumbled immediately due to the incident in which two soldiers were slaughtered in Shanghai on the very day the peace negotiation started in shanghai between Japan and China. The KMT was building up their troops in great number in Shanghai. During that time, there were a large number of Japanese residents. To defend them, there was only one defending unit consisting of 4,000 combatants.

[kaito8209]

(Part4)To the Japanese unit, Chiang Kai-seki sent a numerically far superior number of troops consisting of thirty divisions on August 13. Thus, the war expanded to Shanghai. Japan organized the Shanghai Expeditionary Forces, and deployed them to Shanghai. By that time, Japan had abandoned the existing non-expansion policy.

Please watch this.

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Yahoo![ The Alleged 'Nanking Massacre' 再審「南京大虐殺」 ]

[kaito8209]

China started the war( Battle of shanghai)→Chinese government made up Nanking incident→Chaiang　Kai-seki's wife broadcast gossip.→USA,Britain,Holland,Ch­ina begin to put economic pressure on Japan.(ABCD包囲網)→Japan attacked Pearl harbor.

It is only natural that war started because Japan don't have resource.USA government had wanted to start the war against Japan.

[gold636]

@kaito8209 I got to say, your one of those Jap bull shiter who want to saying anything to changed the truth story in WW2. I'm guessing the chemical test on hundred and thousands of Chinese people never took place?? ( even thou their bodies was dug up and proven by UN) Or the time when Japan try to re-write its history book??? Anyways, no matter what you say no one will believe your shit. I'm glad USA nuked your country!!! Dont brother re-ply, thanks loser! . : )

[kaito8209]

@gold636

watch?v=4LbVeadjSbo

[gold636]

@kaito8209 Yeah, and why the fuck the Japs in China during the 1930 anyway then? The land was never part of Japan!!

[nuggert]

Thank god Japan can't do shit to China now..

or Id be fucking scared

[maseradio]

Actually the Han never comitted physical genocide, the only destroyed the culture of non-Hans and made them Han or sinocized.

[Exult]

What I find interesting about this documentary is that it starts off with the song "The March of the Volunteers" which would eventually be used as a national anthem by Communist China, who would be immediately painted as an enemy five years after this documentary was made. It should also be noted this cut ends with another great song, "Three Principles of the People" the anthem of the other China...

[EmperorTiger]

March of the Volunteers was a popular military song sung by KMT soldiers too.

[toiacvietcong]

There is no such thing as Chinese in reference to Americans. China (a mix bowl of asians) is ruled by the imperialistic Han people, who committed genocide against other peoples that they conquered. Those who lost their homeland and national identity to the Han people are forced to be called chinese: just like native americans (indians) who now hold U.S. citizenship.

This "information" film is propagandic by nature since its makers underestimate viewers' knowledge about world history.

[candyard1]

If this was filmed around 1944, and the film already cited Tibet is part of China, so how come people keep saying it was Mao who took over Tibet from Dalai Lama in 1950??? anyone can answer this question?

[rjscheppy]

In 1911, the emperor quit and china broke into many states. the whole place was still called china. basically, tibet was on its own from 1911-1950.

[0112337]

@candyard1 Good question. The map they showed at around 3:07 is the map of the Qing dynasty. That was the last dynasty of China. During that time the Manchus in Beijing ruled Tibet indirectly. This means the Tibetan Lamas answered to the Manchus but there were relatively few Chinese in Tibet. In 1950, Mao founded the PRC, a new "China", and he attacked Tibet because Tibet was trying to gain independence at that time. This was DIRECT control, with Chinese soldiers stationed there.

[0112337]

@candyard1 This new policy of direct control was something the officials in Beijing did not do before. Honestly, all truth told, if Mao was not against Tibetan Buddhism, the Dalai Lama would have no problem with Tibet being part of China. He actually liked Mao when they first met.

[vandeheyeric]

@candyard1 Long story short? Because Western policymakers (and especially my fellow Americans) were IDIOTS who gobbled up absolutely everything Chiang said and did. And since the KMT claimed that Tibet was part of China, the propagandists (who didn't have the education to know better and had more pressing priorities at the time) took their work for it.

People finally woke up and did the research when the invasion actually happened, and (on a more cynical note) Chiang was out and Mao was in.

[ihavesomerice]

@candyard1 tibet belong to china because one of the begining of dalai lama is when tibet becomes part of china then in the Qing dynasty which is manchu and chinese then british took over but then nationlist then PRC but through all these years dalai lamas were ruling tibet with out problem until the tibetan rebel and was defeated dailai lama was so scared that he have to leave and make up lies so his subjects is still loyal to him

[pieceofparadox]

@candyard1 it also included Mongolia...

[tdzheng]

@candyard1 the old chinese imperial empire was abdicated in 1912, tibet fell into the local warlords hands, knows as tibet aristocrats at the time 'under' the dalai lama. under the influence of the british empire and then the CIA. by that time roughly 7 different warlord states existed in china, nationalist kuomintang was one of them in southern china.

Mao took over tibet around 1945-7 roughly, due to the fact tibet refused to free it's ppl of feudal rule. the tibetan caste.

[artensdaskomodie]

that much is obvious.

[chinamanpoo]

The tIbetians only claims theyre independant

[TheAndreakent]

@artensdaskomodie i know

[Savakka]

I have readen about this series: Why we fight. It is ranked as propaganda movie.