For all of you idiots on here who continue to BITCH about the price of this tomahawk, you clearly miss the intended purpose of its use as a BREACHING TOOL! This is not your boyscout camping tomahawk and if you think your Cold Steel or Gerber tomahawk can do the same thing, you're badly misinformed and sadly mistaken. If you think the 172 price is steep then take a look at the RMJ Tactical tomahawks at $365+ with a 90-180 day waiting time.
Benchmade is soooooooooo freaking overprices, I wanted a M42 for the longest time, but then I saw the 200+ dollar price tag and was like "screw that!"
@firestream93 The keyword in your statement is "insane" and that's exactly what you are if you think your SOG tomahawk will do the same thing as the Benchmade 172. I would gladly take that bet!
@KillShot762 Dude, I payed $40 on Amazon for my SOG. Just because the Benchmade is made for Army Rangers, doesn't mean it's better. I'm a firefighter, and I'd gladly carry the FUSION on my gear. I can force a door open. I could take a roof off a car, with this FUSION (been to classes to learn how to) and a hacksaw! I would gladly substitute the FUSION for a fire axe! This is a true forcible entry tool!
That price...how do you guys sleep at night knowing most of these are going to solders overseas who actually NEED them? It costs you a fraction of this price to manufacture and market the thing. Give us a break.
@KillShot762 Over defensive much? Idiot, tomahawks are made to kill people. No one with an IQ great enough to know how to use one of these to that end should be smart enough to shell out more than 50$ for one. If you aren't working for these assholes then you are just pathetically weak minded to defend them.
@Lukos0036 Historically, tomahawks were made as TOOLS which can also double as a weapon. In this day and age, you have tomahawks being manufactured for different uses. Now, what was that you were saying about being "weak minded"? I don't work for Benchmade or any other tactical company but you should really educate yourself a little on the topic at hand before typing another response; just a thought.
This piece isn't made by the CHICOMs, therefore I give you 50 points for U.S. manufacture, 30 points for appearance and workmanship and 5 points for price for a total score of 85!
LAGANA Vietnam hawk 100 bucks and will last forever! the only way I would pay 300 bucks for a hawk is an orriginal antique onve owned by Crazy Horse or something lol or on a pipehawk custom made by a custom knife maker like North River Customs...........thats just an insane price
At this price you can buy an original Japanese axe from Carte Cutlery, or 5 Grandfors Bruks "smal forest axe" (20 years money-back guarantee), or 1,5 American Tomahawk tactical...
300.00!! wow that's a bit much for a pice of steel with a picture of a over rated fly on it. Don't get me wrong I love Benchmade but daaannnggg ouch. SOG has a "fasthawk" for like 60.00 or if you shop around as low as 30-40.
I'm sure the quality is awesome considering it is bench made but I agree with the highest rating guy.I'll go with cold steel.$300.00 is just to much for this.
What do you think about the SOG Fusion Tomahawk? They run about $50 on E-bay. I've been thinking about picking one up. I've also seen the Cold Steal Tomahawks, they're going for around $35.
THREE HUNDRED DOLLARS are you joking?!?!?! Absolutely ridiculous price! Go with an American Tomahawk Company LaGana Hawk for $130.00 or a Cold Steel version for around $40.00!
Yeah, MSRP for a cold steel vietnam tomahawk is 59.99 but you can get them for as low as $30 elsewhere. But, it is a wood handle so you loose the pry bar capability and it is about 3 inches shorter. but weighs in at half of the benchmade at 19oz.
I have a buck hatchet that cost me 25 bucks and it's been through hell and back. And its still cuttin stuff down. If I spent 300 on a hatchet I might as well sign my divorce papers.
@WoodenFoot ROFLMAO, I bought my Stanley Hatchet at Home Depot and I have used it for nearly 7 years without a hitch, its worn as hell, but it was only $30, and it didnt come with a pussy rich boy price tag.
@HeroSavage I would like to see a Stanley hatchet being used as a breaching tool to cut through a car door or be used to pry open the front door of a burning home. The stupidity of people like you utterly amazes me because I don't know how you've gotten this far in life.
@KillShot762 You know what else might *utterly* amaze you? The fact that I plowed your momma last night. Haha, in all seriousness though, why would do you think that you need an expensive hatchet like that to pry open a car door? Have you even tried prying open a door to a house? Dont be a fool, there are better tools out there for that sort of things. Only a stupid person would buy a faggot swiss army type tool. Posers use multi-wannabe-tools, ask any real hunter, specific tool, specific job.
@HeroSavage No, that wouldn't be amazing, that would be pretty disgusting but for a guy such as yourself, that would be a step up from getting jacked off in the alley by bums. Your reply is atypical of a stupid punk kid and I expected nothing less. You fail at life.
@HeroSavage No, that wouldn't be amazing, that would be pretty disgusting but for a guy such as yourself, that would be a step up from getting jacked off in the alley by bums. Your reply is atypical of a stupid punk kid and I expected nothing less. You fail at life.
@KillShot762 Only a fag would sneer at free pussy, Im an avid hunter, and I dont use shit-tools like this. I also dont use hammers that have beer bottle openers or wrenches that have crowbars at the end. I use a pry bar when I need to shimmy open construction containers, I use my hatchet when I need to split timber for a camp fire, and I use my skinner and boner knife when I need to field dress a kill. So take your gay axe and shove it up your moms *disgusting* cunt, cause im done using it.
@KillShot762 Only a fag would sneer at free pussy, Im an avid hunter, and I dont use shit-tools like this. I also dont use hammers that have beer bottle openers or wrenches that have crowbars at the end. I use a pry bar when I need to shimmy open construction containers, I use my hatchet when I need to split timber for a camp fire, and I use my skinner and boner knife when I need to field dress a kill. So take your gay axe and shove it up your moms *disgusting* cunt, cause im done using it.
@KillShot762 Only a fag would sneer at free pussy, Im an avid hunter, and I dont use shit-tools like this. I also dont use hammers that have beer bottle openers or wrenches that have crowbars at the end. I use a pry bar when I need to shimmy open construction containers, I use my hatchet when I need to split timber for a camp fire, and I use my skinner and boner knife when I need to field dress a kill. So take your gay axe and shove it up your moms *disgusting* cunt, cause im done using it.
the CS V-Tomahawk is closer to $40-$45...You get a wooden haft, 5150 drop forged steel and a leather sheath...$300 is a bit steep, even though they use g10, they might not even use a high quality steel(I'm sure they have a waranty though)... you're mostly buying the name...
@GearBuyersGuide Because there is no care about cost of production. Thus all the third world countries can be used to make things cheaper and more efficiently.
@GearBuyersGuide I think MortWulfe was saying is that over-priced domestic products, hansomely showcased here, (we're talking about a simple edged piece of steel) being priced at $300, is uncompetetive in the least and outrageous at worst. When most manufacturers can offer the same product at a fraction of the cost, this is a horrible business model, and thus prone to fail. My bet is this will be a discontinued item in a year or so, with most customers too smart to waste $300 on an axe?
@GearBuyersGuide dont mind them. i one time got into an argument with some guy who asked me "why should I pay a lazy us worker when i can get one imported from china for much cheeper" and I asked him what if that "lazy worker" was your brother and you just put him out of a job since there is no demand for the product he was making. And he said "I dont really care!" some people just dont care. Ill buy us as much as I can. Btw? what is the COO on the cold steel?
@GearBuyersGuide It does not matter where a product is produced but rather the quality control and regulation that a company enforces on their product.
If a company like Sog or Cold Steel actually cared about how their product functions in the real world, then it wouldn't matter where it was produced, it could be produced in China but as long as it when through a high quality control and passed, then it does not matter.
@0000Bronboa0000 Cold Steel does care about how their product functions in the real world. Don't take my word for it or even the Cold Steel tests if you want but at least look up this series of video by Noss4 here on Youtube. Cold Steel Kukri Machete Destruction test, do a search for those words. Or go to knifetests(dot)com.
@0000Bronboa0000 wait example of companies that do care how their products function in the real world, or companies that don't care? Because now I'm confused. As for functionality, Noss did test one of SOG's machetes, and he was not impressed at all. He was impressed by one of their knives though.
@0000Bronboa0000 The fact that you think something of "quality" can come from China nearly made me piss myself from laughing so hard. For you to be 21yrs of age, you have no excuse for being so damned stupid.
@jangothefila some of it is the name but theres other things that you are paying for too. the benchmade 172 tomahawk is one piece of 1095 steel, from blade all the way through to the handle and has ridiculously durable g10 handle plates over the full tang and a pry bar built in to the base of the handle. cold steel tomahawks are made of a much softer drop forged 1055 carbon steel, and you are only getting the blade head on a wooden shaft.
@GearBuyersGuide oh yeah pal i love the benchmade tomahawk iv held it dont own it but im buying the cold steel trench hawk because its great quality but also affordable
@GearBuyersGuide YES !!!!! Benchmade makes great prodcts but super expensive,you can defenetly get the same results for less money with a different choice.And I am not saying cold steel, there are many other options.Never the less it will all depend on your budget also.Good luck mate.
@GearBuyersGuide oooooooo yes. muuuuch cheaper. but if you buy the benchmade tomahawk then you can brag about spending 270$ more than you needed to lol
@polkatit i know i love benchmade but thats outragious! id have fell out of mine if it wasent aganst the wall( i belive i did have a mild seizure though)
but to a certain degree you get what you pay for. The Cold Steel model is probably made in India from door hinges stolen off the shit house of a Pakistani tuna troller. My life is worth spending the extra cash.
Still half price of a cold steel Kukri, love to see field test
williamED15 22 hours ago
i carry this standart on me every day multiple times a day -> in call of duty -.-
offroadfreak8582 4 months ago
@offroadfreak8582 NERD ALERT!
donGeezee 3 months ago
For all of you idiots on here who continue to BITCH about the price of this tomahawk, you clearly miss the intended purpose of its use as a BREACHING TOOL! This is not your boyscout camping tomahawk and if you think your Cold Steel or Gerber tomahawk can do the same thing, you're badly misinformed and sadly mistaken. If you think the 172 price is steep then take a look at the RMJ Tactical tomahawks at $365+ with a 90-180 day waiting time.
Buy once, cry once! YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!
KillShot762 4 months ago
Benchmade is soooooooooo freaking overprices, I wanted a M42 for the longest time, but then I saw the 200+ dollar price tag and was like "screw that!"
CheyTac2 5 months ago
300?
they must be smoking some crazy shit.
odacir64 5 months ago
Yeah...I bet my $30 SOG FUSION Tactical Tomahawk with do the same things that thing will! $300 for a tomahawk, are they insane?
firestream93 6 months ago
@firestream93 The keyword in your statement is "insane" and that's exactly what you are if you think your SOG tomahawk will do the same thing as the Benchmade 172. I would gladly take that bet!
KillShot762 4 months ago
@KillShot762 Dude, I payed $40 on Amazon for my SOG. Just because the Benchmade is made for Army Rangers, doesn't mean it's better. I'm a firefighter, and I'd gladly carry the FUSION on my gear. I can force a door open. I could take a roof off a car, with this FUSION (been to classes to learn how to) and a hacksaw! I would gladly substitute the FUSION for a fire axe! This is a true forcible entry tool!
firestream93 4 months ago
300.00 bucks???? That's steep!
DaneStolthed 7 months ago
It's a rip off of RMJ Forge Talon
GrogTheRed 7 months ago
LMFAO, I could buy a new gun at $300.
patio87 8 months ago
That price...how do you guys sleep at night knowing most of these are going to solders overseas who actually NEED them? It costs you a fraction of this price to manufacture and market the thing. Give us a break.
Lukos0036 10 months ago
@Lukos0036 So, you're wanting them to GIVE it away? If you want to be a cheapskate bastard, take a drive down to Walmart and find you a camping axe.
KillShot762 4 months ago
@KillShot762 Over defensive much? Idiot, tomahawks are made to kill people. No one with an IQ great enough to know how to use one of these to that end should be smart enough to shell out more than 50$ for one. If you aren't working for these assholes then you are just pathetically weak minded to defend them.
Lukos0036 4 months ago
@Lukos0036 Historically, tomahawks were made as TOOLS which can also double as a weapon. In this day and age, you have tomahawks being manufactured for different uses. Now, what was that you were saying about being "weak minded"? I don't work for Benchmade or any other tactical company but you should really educate yourself a little on the topic at hand before typing another response; just a thought.
KillShot762 4 months ago
looks good just wait for the price to go down my bros.
GoldNCase 10 months ago
Bankrupt...
DerGeckarbor 10 months ago
This piece isn't made by the CHICOMs, therefore I give you 50 points for U.S. manufacture, 30 points for appearance and workmanship and 5 points for price for a total score of 85!
AR15fan 10 months ago
LAGANA Vietnam hawk 100 bucks and will last forever! the only way I would pay 300 bucks for a hawk is an orriginal antique onve owned by Crazy Horse or something lol or on a pipehawk custom made by a custom knife maker like North River Customs...........thats just an insane price
MrShamelessone 10 months ago
The cold steel Trench Hawk is nicer imho...
robertson109 11 months ago
$300! HOLY FUCK TURKEY!
KnifeNut88 11 months ago
At this price you can buy an original Japanese axe from Carte Cutlery, or 5 Grandfors Bruks "smal forest axe" (20 years money-back guarantee), or 1,5 American Tomahawk tactical...
lol insane
grappolidipalma 1 year ago
The prybar and scales are nice, but i could buy 10 SoG Fusion Tomahawks for that money. Can this one outlast 10 SoG's? I think not.
VengeanceIV 1 year ago
300.00!! wow that's a bit much for a pice of steel with a picture of a over rated fly on it. Don't get me wrong I love Benchmade but daaannnggg ouch. SOG has a "fasthawk" for like 60.00 or if you shop around as low as 30-40.
Enigma00017 1 year ago
I'm sure the quality is awesome considering it is bench made but I agree with the highest rating guy.I'll go with cold steel.$300.00 is just to much for this.
USAdude30 1 year ago
people wasting there money on a supped u hatchet sad
erererer2 1 year ago
Screw that. Ill stick to my cold steel trenchhawk. 35 bucks and works just as well. Knowing that its a high carbon steel helps to.
RenmarStriff 1 year ago
Seriously? $300.00? Well, I hear there's a sucker born every minute so I guess there's always a chance someone will buy one O_O
tlawson1992 1 year ago
I love the design but I need to see this around the $100 price range at most.
mtsEnrique 1 year ago
Benchmade is over-priced on all their stuff.
Magnus2131 1 year ago
I had that pit in my stomach feeling when i heard the "300 dollars retail"
The second time i listened to it i got the same feeling.
OfficerSheepDog 1 year ago 5
1st and 2nd type of cool just radiates from that thing !
shanehey 1 year ago
Lagana VTAC for $100 would be my choice. Though i like the sheath for the hickory one ($40) better.
Jonbino 1 year ago
pffffffff buy a SOG its much better than this overpriced crap
generalzod4life 1 year ago 2
For $300 it had better be hand made in the USA and stainless steel!
swansongusa 1 year ago
Thats awesome, Im getting one!
ndh87 1 year ago
The cheaper tomahawks are cheaper because they are not a solid full tang construction. Use them enough and they will have head separation issues.
Also, the SOG does not have a sharpened lower hook style head, which is a very effetive self defense tool.
benchmade and RMJ are the two best by far and the price reflects it.
NicegyRacing 1 year ago 2
@NicegyRacing
Full tang? thats it? that all you got for an arguement? ill make my own damn tomahawks for that shit. Smithing is kinda a dream of mine anyway.
Jonbino 1 year ago 6
What do you think about the SOG Fusion Tomahawk? They run about $50 on E-bay. I've been thinking about picking one up. I've also seen the Cold Steal Tomahawks, they're going for around $35.
amaya1000rr 1 year ago
I found these for pre-order online for $255.00
88Azazel 2 years ago
THREE HUNDRED DOLLARS are you joking?!?!?! Absolutely ridiculous price! Go with an American Tomahawk Company LaGana Hawk for $130.00 or a Cold Steel version for around $40.00!
88Azazel 2 years ago
@GearBuyersGuide
Yeah, MSRP for a cold steel vietnam tomahawk is 59.99 but you can get them for as low as $30 elsewhere. But, it is a wood handle so you loose the pry bar capability and it is about 3 inches shorter. but weighs in at half of the benchmade at 19oz.
polkatit 2 years ago
I have a buck hatchet that cost me 25 bucks and it's been through hell and back. And its still cuttin stuff down. If I spent 300 on a hatchet I might as well sign my divorce papers.
WoodenFoot 2 years ago 25
@WoodenFoot
thats what im saying i can buy a pry bar for $15 a very good hatchet for $65 and have enough cash left over to fill my truck up 3 times!
cbr6864 2 years ago
@WoodenFoot ROFLMAO, I bought my Stanley Hatchet at Home Depot and I have used it for nearly 7 years without a hitch, its worn as hell, but it was only $30, and it didnt come with a pussy rich boy price tag.
HeroSavage 1 year ago
@HeroSavage I would like to see a Stanley hatchet being used as a breaching tool to cut through a car door or be used to pry open the front door of a burning home. The stupidity of people like you utterly amazes me because I don't know how you've gotten this far in life.
KillShot762 4 months ago
@KillShot762 You know what else might *utterly* amaze you? The fact that I plowed your momma last night. Haha, in all seriousness though, why would do you think that you need an expensive hatchet like that to pry open a car door? Have you even tried prying open a door to a house? Dont be a fool, there are better tools out there for that sort of things. Only a stupid person would buy a faggot swiss army type tool. Posers use multi-wannabe-tools, ask any real hunter, specific tool, specific job.
HeroSavage 4 months ago
@HeroSavage No, that wouldn't be amazing, that would be pretty disgusting but for a guy such as yourself, that would be a step up from getting jacked off in the alley by bums. Your reply is atypical of a stupid punk kid and I expected nothing less. You fail at life.
KillShot762 4 months ago
@HeroSavage No, that wouldn't be amazing, that would be pretty disgusting but for a guy such as yourself, that would be a step up from getting jacked off in the alley by bums. Your reply is atypical of a stupid punk kid and I expected nothing less. You fail at life.
KillShot762 4 months ago
@KillShot762 Only a fag would sneer at free pussy, Im an avid hunter, and I dont use shit-tools like this. I also dont use hammers that have beer bottle openers or wrenches that have crowbars at the end. I use a pry bar when I need to shimmy open construction containers, I use my hatchet when I need to split timber for a camp fire, and I use my skinner and boner knife when I need to field dress a kill. So take your gay axe and shove it up your moms *disgusting* cunt, cause im done using it.
HeroSavage 4 months ago
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@KillShot762 Only a fag would sneer at free pussy, Im an avid hunter, and I dont use shit-tools like this. I also dont use hammers that have beer bottle openers or wrenches that have crowbars at the end. I use a pry bar when I need to shimmy open construction containers, I use my hatchet when I need to split timber for a camp fire, and I use my skinner and boner knife when I need to field dress a kill. So take your gay axe and shove it up your moms *disgusting* cunt, cause im done using it.
HeroSavage 4 months ago
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@KillShot762 Only a fag would sneer at free pussy, Im an avid hunter, and I dont use shit-tools like this. I also dont use hammers that have beer bottle openers or wrenches that have crowbars at the end. I use a pry bar when I need to shimmy open construction containers, I use my hatchet when I need to split timber for a camp fire, and I use my skinner and boner knife when I need to field dress a kill. So take your gay axe and shove it up your moms *disgusting* cunt, cause im done using it.
HeroSavage 4 months ago
I almost fell out of my chair when i heard the retail! thats rediculous for a piece of steel. i think i will get a cold steel one for $30 instead!
polkatit 2 years ago 16
is the cold steel one really that much cheaper?
GearBuyersGuide 2 years ago
@GearBuyersGuide yes its like £40.
kidri0t 1 year ago
@GearBuyersGuide Yep, the trench hawk is 45 bucks MSRP, its around 30-35 actual.
Kylef7735 1 year ago
@GearBuyersGuide Yes, Yes it is.
brink5k 1 year ago
@GearBuyersGuide
the CS V-Tomahawk is closer to $40-$45...You get a wooden haft, 5150 drop forged steel and a leather sheath...$300 is a bit steep, even though they use g10, they might not even use a high quality steel(I'm sure they have a waranty though)... you're mostly buying the name...
jangothefila 1 year ago
@jangothefila
more like paying the US workers who made the axe and the steel.. if that matters to you
GearBuyersGuide 1 year ago
@GearBuyersGuide And thus it is that way of thinking that makes our economy fail...
MorteWulfe 1 year ago
@MorteWulfe
how is that?
GearBuyersGuide 1 year ago
@GearBuyersGuide Because there is no care about cost of production. Thus all the third world countries can be used to make things cheaper and more efficiently.
MorteWulfe 1 year ago
@GearBuyersGuide I think MortWulfe was saying is that over-priced domestic products, hansomely showcased here, (we're talking about a simple edged piece of steel) being priced at $300, is uncompetetive in the least and outrageous at worst. When most manufacturers can offer the same product at a fraction of the cost, this is a horrible business model, and thus prone to fail. My bet is this will be a discontinued item in a year or so, with most customers too smart to waste $300 on an axe?
kimberHD45 1 year ago
@GearBuyersGuide dont mind them. i one time got into an argument with some guy who asked me "why should I pay a lazy us worker when i can get one imported from china for much cheeper" and I asked him what if that "lazy worker" was your brother and you just put him out of a job since there is no demand for the product he was making. And he said "I dont really care!" some people just dont care. Ill buy us as much as I can. Btw? what is the COO on the cold steel?
DARKSCOPE001 6 months ago
@GearBuyersGuide It does not matter where a product is produced but rather the quality control and regulation that a company enforces on their product.
If a company like Sog or Cold Steel actually cared about how their product functions in the real world, then it wouldn't matter where it was produced, it could be produced in China but as long as it when through a high quality control and passed, then it does not matter.
0000Bronboa0000 5 months ago
@0000Bronboa0000 Cold Steel does care about how their product functions in the real world. Don't take my word for it or even the Cold Steel tests if you want but at least look up this series of video by Noss4 here on Youtube. Cold Steel Kukri Machete Destruction test, do a search for those words. Or go to knifetests(dot)com.
RadarNocturn 5 months ago
@RadarNocturn I know they do, I was making an example.
0000Bronboa0000 5 months ago
@0000Bronboa0000 wait example of companies that do care how their products function in the real world, or companies that don't care? Because now I'm confused. As for functionality, Noss did test one of SOG's machetes, and he was not impressed at all. He was impressed by one of their knives though.
RadarNocturn 5 months ago
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RadarNocturn 5 months ago
@0000Bronboa0000 The fact that you think something of "quality" can come from China nearly made me piss myself from laughing so hard. For you to be 21yrs of age, you have no excuse for being so damned stupid.
KillShot762 4 months ago
@MorteWulfe
I agree with GearBuyersGuide.....we shouldnt have to pay more to support unions that have no reason to exist anymore anyway
jooby24 8 months ago
@MorteWulfe the government rapes and taxes small business like no other...
ViolentEncounter 4 months ago
@GearBuyersGuide Well said!
konjyoman 8 months ago
@jangothefila some of it is the name but theres other things that you are paying for too. the benchmade 172 tomahawk is one piece of 1095 steel, from blade all the way through to the handle and has ridiculously durable g10 handle plates over the full tang and a pry bar built in to the base of the handle. cold steel tomahawks are made of a much softer drop forged 1055 carbon steel, and you are only getting the blade head on a wooden shaft.
visno 4 months ago 3
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@GearBuyersGuide $35.00 gets you this. Watch the clip w w w .youtube.com/watch?v=ZgYhw8F7oVc&feature=player_embedded#!
BrokenRRT 1 year ago
@GearBuyersGuide oh yeah pal i love the benchmade tomahawk iv held it dont own it but im buying the cold steel trench hawk because its great quality but also affordable
RobbTZombie 10 months ago
@GearBuyersGuide YES !!!!! Benchmade makes great prodcts but super expensive,you can defenetly get the same results for less money with a different choice.And I am not saying cold steel, there are many other options.Never the less it will all depend on your budget also.Good luck mate.
marlin187 6 months ago
@GearBuyersGuide oooooooo yes. muuuuch cheaper. but if you buy the benchmade tomahawk then you can brag about spending 270$ more than you needed to lol
venomsam 4 months ago
@polkatit i know i love benchmade but thats outragious! id have fell out of mine if it wasent aganst the wall( i belive i did have a mild seizure though)
JBK52596 1 year ago
@polkatit
but to a certain degree you get what you pay for. The Cold Steel model is probably made in India from door hinges stolen off the shit house of a Pakistani tuna troller. My life is worth spending the extra cash.
bluerazors 8 months ago
Nice
seven47katana 2 years ago
Thanks for this. Love these things!
HiCapacity 2 years ago