VeganDave001 There seems to be some crossed wires here,or some of my comments missing. Will await to see if the correspondence thread is complete before I reply.
@gibscot2 No comments missing, all comments submitted have been approved. Whilst you are waiting, you could answer the questions below, such as why you say I am a 'Professional protester' by answering how many protests I have taken part in in the last year :)
@gibscot2 You could also answer this point : "You claim it's impossible to judge without witnessing the whole incident, yet you've done nothing but judge without witnessing the whole incident!!!".
VeganDave001 I should have known you are a professional protester. You will look for any excuse to cause trouble whether it be justified or not. Part time journalist with your camera. Why don't you get a full time job. I suspect you have personal issues. No enimity towards you. Hope you keep a balanced view on life.
@gibscot2 In what regards am I a 'Professional protester' ? Which protests have I taken part in in say the last year ? Also, as pointed out, the IPCC upheld EVERY complaint against the behaviour of these officers so clearly (given how tame the IPCC is), they were at fault.
Personal issues ? No, I just believe in honesty and integrity, if having such issues is a problem for you, I'm not the one with the issues :)
Vegan Dave001 You claim that the IPCC upheld your complaint I doubt that statement. Without having witnessed the whole of the incident it is impossible for one to judge. All I witnessed was your nuisance, your obstructive and provocative behaviour, you were trying to incite Police action probably to effect more publicity. The correct conduct on your part was to offer yourself as a witness in court. Perhaps an older more experienced officer would have ended your conduct promptly.
@gibscot2 I guess you would doubt anything that didn't agree with your personal viewpoint, I certainly get that feeling from your comments. You claim it's impossible to judge without witnessing the whole incident, yet you've done nothing but judge without witnessing the whole incident!!! Hoist by your own petard, as the saying goes :)
That nuisance the so called part time journalist was causing would not have been put up with in France or Spain or America. British Police are too soft. He was being deliberately provocative. He should have been arrested for obstructing Police. He was wasting Police time.
@gibscot2 That's strange because every complaint I put in about their behaviour was upheld by the IPCC. So, you don't think journalists (or indeed any citizen) should be willing to ensure the police carry out their legal duties without overstepping the law and acting illegally do you not ? You see no problem with letting individual police officers flout the law and think ordinary citizens should not question their actions when they do ?
The fucking Asian cop thinks she is untouchable ... When they not in uniform they shot there pants soo badly .. I've witnessed these things .. Fucking bitch and again pigs don't no the law...
Well, given all the complaints I put in about the officers' behaviour that day were upheld during the course of the IPCC complaints procedure, I'd say they mustn't have been doing a very good job that day, wouldn't you ?
And making out your a journalist because you have used a camera for 20 yrs!!! What formal qualifications have you got? It's lke me putting polyfiller on a crack on a wall then professing to be a plasterer!!!!!
No doubt you claim money on a weekly or bi-weely basis from the system that you hate so much?
The thing you lot need to remember is that quite often the cops actually agree with the principles of the demo but not the way it's conducted!
The little hate campaign that you're running against the Police (all, not just the ones who let the side down too) isn't at all bigotted in any way?
You're just out trying to antagonise the Police and the situation instead of concentrating on taking part in a peaceful protest. The majority of people who turn up to all manner of protests are very pleasant people who believe strongly in their cause, unlike the 'pick a cause of the day mob' who spoil it! These people ruin it for all. Cheers.
I note that once again I'm challenged by someone who asks questions, completely ignores the responses given then just continually repeats allegations which are clearly false!
Had you read the commentary on the Madeleine Ann demo for instance, you would note there was indeed praise for good level headed policing by one of the officers and condemnation of bad attitude by another.
How less biased can you get for fox sake ?
So please seek help for your bigotry and try to understand answers!
@ExtremeSportRacer its "weekly" moron,,so run down and get your p45,,, its like putting a cheap piece of tin and a fancy uniform on and pretending to be brave,,thats pretty close too what you mean..yea!
Close - I am a overworked underpaid lawyer so I spend all day long looking after the great public needs when they cross that blue thin line.......Though I do know quite a few Officers. Many actually think HLS is an awful place, but they do what they are paid to do.... personally I hate the idiots who demonstrate covering their faces trying to intimidate people. If you got something to protest about show your face and be proud, and if you get in trouble see me:):)
I'm surprised that as an underpaid lawyer, you're sticking up for the police with the standard 'doing their job' comment.
Most lawyers I know are appalled at the extent some officers go to in the cause of their 'paid work', many thinking some forces act as personal security for vivisection labs, airports, etc, when it comes to suppressing legitimate protest.
Also, the 'hiding of faces' is generally a statement against our surveillance society, not done as intimidation!
I also don't consider the comment 'Freelance Journalist my arse more like ALF activists!!' to be the type of comment I'd expect to hear from an 'underpaid lawyer' and if you've watched the videos as you claim, you'll know I'm at demos as a freelance (hint : you can see the videos right her, on my channel!!!!) than as a campaigner.
As an 'underpaid laywer', why do you find it hard to believe that I can be a freelance and a compassionate individual ?
Wrong again.....as a journalist you should have a impartial view to report a balanced view...which you do not. Your are a firm supporter of your cause, and very paranoid that you think because I do not believe in your methods that I must be a police officer. Yes I know many Officers both professionally and in friendship. Many of them like most of the public, have hard lives to live at this time, more closure concerns of feeding their children and paying the bills. (more to come)
Worrying about animals is important but it is a long way down the list for most of us. These campaigns are good to get a message across, but without policing the minority with their faces covered start the violence and damage we see on the news time after time, so the lots of Officers are there to prevent this problem. I know alot of people from many backgrounds and beliefs, the majority listen to your cause but have more important things to worry about.
Most people see activist as trouble, disruptive...what does G20 mean to most..violence from both Cops and Activists.....lets look at one point, Ferrets used for testing swine flu vaccines....If it means a 100 ferrets suffer for the life a one child..well sorry our children are more important everytime...!!!
LOL - standard police psychops - ignore the counter arguments (why would a 'lawyer' make such biased comments, etc) and re-inforce the points (police are just doing their job, all protests turn violent if not policed (lol!), drug testing works, our children are worth more than animals; though we do of course care for those animals)....
As you don't want to give your badge number, can I suggest you get some updated psych manuals ?!!!!
Vegandave and the long haired lad with the earing thorugh his mouth who appear at loads of demos if you watch the videos. Freelance Journalist my arse more like ALF activists!! Try s14 POA re the protests - two or more etc etc.....just scruffy trouble makers......
Why don't you just leave the police to do their job! Just coz your lives are boring you don't have to but in and make the officers job harder than it already is. If I was there that camera would of been shoved up your arse!
The Freemaosns are just one part of the Royalists. WE, the people won a civil war against the Royalists, and they came back as 2Constitutional" monarchs, with less power.
But now they are trying to break that rule, and stitch us up directly, by sending police to drag what little money is in our towns, into their ROYAL towns of Sutton Coldfield, Solihull.
Once again, the police take the money which will earns them and the lawyers, the most money. No arrest, no court case = no lawyers and police wages.
This is another easy victim.
And at the end, he say Its "POLICY". Thats right, the police would NOT have arrested him like that in Sutton or Solihull because their POLICY is to be nice to people, whereas the rest of Birmingham, the POLICY is to arrest, and extract MONEY.
They could have given the teenager a criminal record for nothing if they thought noone was interested. Messed his life up with their control freakery.
Using a megaphone isn't illegal, the law can't stop you - I had this confirmed when I had my complaints against the law upheld. Basically, the law tell you anything if they think you don't know the law!
Ok so... there 100% isn't any law or statute in place that prevents you from using a megaphone in public? What if say the police said you were disturbing the peace? It wouldn't really be the issue of having the megaphone would it? The main issue would be disturbing the peace right? Soz to be predantic but its cos police themselves can be too...
I believe some councils have introduced by-laws which state you have to have their permission to use a megaphone. Disturbing the peace by using a megaphone wouldn't apply in an area such as used on our demoes as there was a constant traffic flow and plenty of other 'environmental' noise.
If you were using a megaphone in a residential street at 3am in the morning, then yeah, I'd assume this could be classed as a breach of the peace!
Thanks very much for your patience lol! I'm really interested in this sort of stuff - I applied to be in the MET as a PC (cos' I'm Muslim and of arab origin I imagine they would've loved to bring me on board cos of ethnic stuff etc...) Although I kinda changed my mind come the interview stage... I guess I didn't think I'd realistically commit myself...
You probably made the right decision in not joining the Met - given that the police now seem to be nothing more than lackeys to the large corporations! I wonder how many cops really like being told what to do by pharmaceutical companies ?!
As to you being a cashier at Barclays that's not a problem either! Though I'd be interested to know if your branch ever got demoed because of the HLS link ?
The bad grammer was due to about 7 glasses of wine that night! I apologise if I had caused offence to anybody, however I still stand by what I said. No, I am not a police officer nor do I wish to be, however I am a big supporter of their work. The overall fact is that videos like this one are purely used to insite public hate and mistrust in the police. Nobody can really argue that point, whatever their view on this incident!
Anyway I promise I wont use youtube after a drink!
If videos showing uneditted actions of the police "insite public hate", then who is to blame for that - the police for their actions or the person who films it ?!!!!
No, my intention is not for my work to incite public hate and mistrust, my work documents life as it happens - which is the role of the journalist, which you should know as you claim to be one.
Your latest post once again shows your lack of impartiality (in fact you're quite happy to admit it) which is strange for a journalist
Dave this pillock needs ignoring. He is defending the cops on the Ian Tomlinson videos as well he is probably a cop himself or a Daily Mail / Sun reader.
Yeah, I'd assumed with the bad grammar and crap English he was probably a member of the police force!
It's obvious he's not a journalist, but hey, his comments are helping to keep my video higher up the 'most discussed in non-profits and activism', so if he's happy to show his lack of credibility to one and all, I'm happy for my videos to be higher rated (therefore more likely to be watched)!
With regards to this being classes as journalisim, is absolutly absured. If this was going to be classed as journalism it should have filmed the protest, give an idea on what it was about, give reasons for it, THEN film the police turn up and arrest the male for committing the offences that you say that he has committed. THEN ask the questions and speak to the press office for an official response
Having been an actually journalist for 9 years, I find this video insulting to the proffession
Had you read the demo report elsewhere, you would have known that the tape of the demo was seized from me, which is why there is no footage of the demo.
Having been a journalist for over 20 years, I'd expect any journalist (esp one for 9 years) to ascertain facts before posting uninformed comments - you've done this twice now!
Also, to state that filming the police not carrying out their duties cannot be classed as journalism, regardless of previous events is a bit absurd!
Also, if you've been a journalist for 9 years, then how is it you think a freelance isn't a real journalist ? What would the NUJ think of such sentiment ?!!!!
Do you have any freelance colleagues ? If so what do they think of you not classing them as 'real journalists' ?
Also - "this being classes as journalism", "proffession", "been an actually journalist" - you need an editor, don't you!
Also - "offences that you say that he has committed"; please point me to where I said the person committed any offence.
For a journalist with nine years experience, your English isn't very good and you don't seem to read what's actually written which is far more insulting to the profession than that which you (incorrectly) accused me of!
I refuse to call myself an animal rights activists. I am not for animal rights. I am an animal liberation activist. HLS are not the only company I demo against and I don't campign in a welfarist fashion. I campaign for total Animal Liberation and the distancing between humans and animals. Only then will the animals be free.
Identifying yourself as a "freelance" (ie, not a real one) journalist does not give you the right to shove a camera in police officers faces and demand information on people who have just been arrested!!!
It just makes you sound like a complete tool, and does no good for your cause
Erm accusing a freelance of not being a 'real' journalist makes you sound a complete tool and does not make people take you seriously.
If you watch the video you'll see I wasn't demanding info on the people arrested, I was enquiring as to why the police weren't taking witness details to an alleged crime and also asking under which law the police were saying the use of megaphones were not allowed!
As a freelance (ie a real journalist), I make sure of my facts before commenting!
Idiotic comment like most on YouTube. No-one was shoving the camera in anyones face and are you saying the police should be able to do anything without fear of members of the public being able to question them? Comments like this are the reason we live in a police state and you have the audacity to say Dave is a tool! Think first then engage brain then if you can make a valid point.
If somebody come to your place of work (thats if you actually have a job), shoved a camera in your face (which is very clear what has happened here) CLAIM your a journalist and start questioning on what you were doing in a rude and provocative manner, what would you respone have done?
And saying that this country is a police state makes you more of a tool that the prat who posted this video. If we were in a police state you would have been shot for even having an opinion
"If we were in a police state you would have been shot for even having an opinion."
No, that would be a police state that has functioned for so long that its able to repress the people further with force and violence. That's called a total dictatorship.
Do you think police state's happen overnight? Suddenly new laws are in place and its only when police are using guns on the public everyday?
Did Jean Charles de Menezes not hold opinions? We are in a police state by your definition.
The officer at the end of the video is incorrect - Section 5 of the public order act states: "within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress" and relates to threatening or violent behavior, but you know they make it up as the go along don't they - Oh and you don't need a approval from the council, like they would ever give it anyway.
We're trying to find out what happened to the lad - they only arrested him as he and his friends were showing an interest in the reasons for the demo and Barclays didn't like that!
Brilliant, another video showing how incompetent our police are in this country, they really havent a clue, i will be reposting this over social network sites, these arseholes need to be exposed
While demos based on such tenuous links are extremely unlikely to bring any real benefit to the animal rights movement and for the most part seem to serve the role of antagonising the public and police... those police officers did NOT know what they were on about, and their behaviour was completely inappropriate -- I hope complaints are upheld!
I would argue that as the MAIN SHAREHOLDER now in HLS, Local Barclays demos happening frequently up and down the country do a lot of good to the cause.
Barclays may have the largest stake in the company; this doesn't translate to a majority of shares.
And if HLS closes? Contracts will be reassigned to other labs. Does this actually represent a victory for animals, when the number of animals exploited will remain exactly the same?
Not only are single-issue campaigns futile, they reinforce speciesist attitudes by indirectly condoning other forms of animal abuse. Anti-vivisection campaigns serve only to entrench speciesist values in this manner.
All single issues make up the whole, so the answer is to fight all the abuse wherever we can it occurs, not make excuses to do nothing whilst millions of animals suffer and die needlessly.
Taking your attitude, we may as well not have granted rights to women in the UK because women are still oppressed in Afghanistan - want to go back to being a second class citizen whilst we sort out womens' rights in the rest of the world ?
1) animal rights and human rights are not comparable; it's common consensus that violations of human rights are unacceptable, while this is not the case with animal rights.
Also, activism of any form is almost always "local" by necessity. So the comparison is invalid.
2) I didn't condone doing "nothing" -- vegan outreach is an immensely productive alternative. It has the potential to actually save animals; unlike single-issue campaigns, which damage their standing in the long term.
Of course rights for all sentient beings are comparable! If you don't understand this, then perhaps that's why you don't understand the need to fight all single issues as part of the whole!
The comparison isn't invalid - you just don't understand it!
How about liberating animals ? Do you understand liberating fifty animals from suffering and death whilst millions of their species are not saved ?
Do you understand that all single issues make up the whole ?
To qualify; animal rights and human rights campaigns, and the public perception of such, are not comparable.
Essentially, wrongs against humans of any sort are already commonly held to be unacceptable. The same cannot be said for issues pertaining to non-humans. By focusing on a single issue (eg vivisection) and neglecting all other forms of exploitation, other forms of exploitation are condoned by omission. The same cannot be said of vegan outreach, which condemns all forms of exploitation.
People aren't campaigning for the public perception, they are fighting for the animals.
Campaigners don't focus on a single issue (ie vivisection), they campaign against all animal abuse (seal culling, dairy industry, fur, etc, etc) as well as giving time to vegan outreach.
If you are happy to stand by and do nothing directly against the abuse whilst doing outreach, then that is your decision. Those who choose to campaign too don't mock you, so again, ask why yourself why you mock them!
How many individual animals have you saved by convincing people to go vegan ?
People involved in direct campaigning are also involved in vegan outreach, so instead of mocking them for doing more than you do, perhaps you should ask yourself why you really do no campaigning and why you try to mock those who do ?
So apparently you can get council permission to break the law!?! So does this mean as long as I get council permission I can punch those arsehole coppers in the face!?!? What a complete load of bullshit!
Well done to the protesters. Fight the oppression!!
VeganDave001 There seems to be some crossed wires here,or some of my comments missing. Will await to see if the correspondence thread is complete before I reply.
gibscot2 3 weeks ago
@gibscot2 No comments missing, all comments submitted have been approved. Whilst you are waiting, you could answer the questions below, such as why you say I am a 'Professional protester' by answering how many protests I have taken part in in the last year :)
VeganDave001 3 weeks ago
@gibscot2 You could also answer this point : "You claim it's impossible to judge without witnessing the whole incident, yet you've done nothing but judge without witnessing the whole incident!!!".
VeganDave001 3 weeks ago
VeganDave001 I should have known you are a professional protester. You will look for any excuse to cause trouble whether it be justified or not. Part time journalist with your camera. Why don't you get a full time job. I suspect you have personal issues. No enimity towards you. Hope you keep a balanced view on life.
gibscot2 3 weeks ago
@gibscot2 In what regards am I a 'Professional protester' ? Which protests have I taken part in in say the last year ? Also, as pointed out, the IPCC upheld EVERY complaint against the behaviour of these officers so clearly (given how tame the IPCC is), they were at fault.
Personal issues ? No, I just believe in honesty and integrity, if having such issues is a problem for you, I'm not the one with the issues :)
VeganDave001 3 weeks ago
Vegan Dave001 You claim that the IPCC upheld your complaint I doubt that statement. Without having witnessed the whole of the incident it is impossible for one to judge. All I witnessed was your nuisance, your obstructive and provocative behaviour, you were trying to incite Police action probably to effect more publicity. The correct conduct on your part was to offer yourself as a witness in court. Perhaps an older more experienced officer would have ended your conduct promptly.
gibscot2 3 weeks ago
@gibscot2 I guess you would doubt anything that didn't agree with your personal viewpoint, I certainly get that feeling from your comments. You claim it's impossible to judge without witnessing the whole incident, yet you've done nothing but judge without witnessing the whole incident!!! Hoist by your own petard, as the saying goes :)
VeganDave001 3 weeks ago
That nuisance the so called part time journalist was causing would not have been put up with in France or Spain or America. British Police are too soft. He was being deliberately provocative. He should have been arrested for obstructing Police. He was wasting Police time.
gibscot2 3 weeks ago
@gibscot2 That's strange because every complaint I put in about their behaviour was upheld by the IPCC. So, you don't think journalists (or indeed any citizen) should be willing to ensure the police carry out their legal duties without overstepping the law and acting illegally do you not ? You see no problem with letting individual police officers flout the law and think ordinary citizens should not question their actions when they do ?
Do you want to live in a police state then ?
VeganDave001 3 weeks ago
don't refer to them as officers refer to them as constables
jse07 6 months ago
The biggest problem with the Police is just their absolutely disagreeable attitude.
silverbakuk 1 year ago 2
the worst bank I have met in my life is barclays
shujaa81 1 year ago
The fucking Asian cop thinks she is untouchable ... When they not in uniform they shot there pants soo badly .. I've witnessed these things .. Fucking bitch and again pigs don't no the law...
shabzt 1 year ago 2
Little bitch thincks she's IT.
Marcel1157 1 year ago 4
Jesus christ her attitude is appaling.
Gr33nMamba 1 year ago 2
Those fluorescent jackets or vests or whatever the fuck they are that the West Midlands Police wear are really TACKY.
StanpyX 1 year ago
sound quality is shit, can't hear a thing
angryafghan 1 year ago 2
The police are not doing there jobs which is to protect people in the first instance. Instead they are behaving like they are above the law.
21stcentuaryjustice 1 year ago 2
The attitude of these Officers is appalling.
I think Officer 20572 is too young and immature to be a police man, id like to get him in the ring & knock him around for 20 minutes =)
jasonobama 1 year ago
The attitude of these Officers is appalling.
jasonobama 1 year ago
your a public servant and i have a right to ask and you have a duty to tell me cause you can only police by consent.
jaffijaffer 2 years ago
she looks a right bitch that woman copper that asain woman
bigytye 2 years ago
Thats fucking funny man wow way cool:XD
coolcats95661 2 years ago
Well, given all the complaints I put in about the officers' behaviour that day were upheld during the course of the IPCC complaints procedure, I'd say they mustn't have been doing a very good job that day, wouldn't you ?
VeganDave001 2 years ago
And making out your a journalist because you have used a camera for 20 yrs!!! What formal qualifications have you got? It's lke me putting polyfiller on a crack on a wall then professing to be a plasterer!!!!!
No doubt you claim money on a weekly or bi-weely basis from the system that you hate so much?
The thing you lot need to remember is that quite often the cops actually agree with the principles of the demo but not the way it's conducted!
ExtremeSportRacer 2 years ago
"...because you have used a camera for 20 yrs!!..."
LOL!!! Well, my complaints about the police attitude were upheld by the investigating Inspector...
...so I'm not really sure where your bias and apparently ignorant bigotry come from, but I'd recommend you ...erm... seek help for it!
VeganDave001 2 years ago
The little hate campaign that you're running against the Police (all, not just the ones who let the side down too) isn't at all bigotted in any way?
You're just out trying to antagonise the Police and the situation instead of concentrating on taking part in a peaceful protest. The majority of people who turn up to all manner of protests are very pleasant people who believe strongly in their cause, unlike the 'pick a cause of the day mob' who spoil it! These people ruin it for all. Cheers.
ExtremeSportRacer 2 years ago 5
I note that once again I'm challenged by someone who asks questions, completely ignores the responses given then just continually repeats allegations which are clearly false!
Had you read the commentary on the Madeleine Ann demo for instance, you would note there was indeed praise for good level headed policing by one of the officers and condemnation of bad attitude by another.
How less biased can you get for fox sake ?
So please seek help for your bigotry and try to understand answers!
VeganDave001 2 years ago
The psychological term that you are looking for is deflection.... i.e. when somebody accuses another of their own negative attributes!!!!!!
;0)
ExtremeSportRacer 2 years ago
But what difference doe it make to animal rights, how the police behave?
99cclarke 2 years ago
@ExtremeSportRacer its "weekly" moron,,so run down and get your p45,,, its like putting a cheap piece of tin and a fancy uniform on and pretending to be brave,,thats pretty close too what you mean..yea!
toptrichs 1 year ago
Nobody was arrested for criminal damage. It was breach of the peace as the officer said on arrest. Unnecessary sensationalism!!!!!
Instead of going out and conducting a peaceful protest which nobody minds, some people choose to use it as an excuse to go out and cause grief.
The person who made this consistently attempted to provoke a negative reaction from the Police. Annoying when it doesn't work, eh?
ExtremeSportRacer 2 years ago
Close - I am a overworked underpaid lawyer so I spend all day long looking after the great public needs when they cross that blue thin line.......Though I do know quite a few Officers. Many actually think HLS is an awful place, but they do what they are paid to do.... personally I hate the idiots who demonstrate covering their faces trying to intimidate people. If you got something to protest about show your face and be proud, and if you get in trouble see me:):)
surfdood1969 2 years ago
I'm surprised that as an underpaid lawyer, you're sticking up for the police with the standard 'doing their job' comment.
Most lawyers I know are appalled at the extent some officers go to in the cause of their 'paid work', many thinking some forces act as personal security for vivisection labs, airports, etc, when it comes to suppressing legitimate protest.
Also, the 'hiding of faces' is generally a statement against our surveillance society, not done as intimidation!
VeganDave001 2 years ago
I also don't consider the comment 'Freelance Journalist my arse more like ALF activists!!' to be the type of comment I'd expect to hear from an 'underpaid lawyer' and if you've watched the videos as you claim, you'll know I'm at demos as a freelance (hint : you can see the videos right her, on my channel!!!!) than as a campaigner.
As an 'underpaid laywer', why do you find it hard to believe that I can be a freelance and a compassionate individual ?
So, badge number, please ?!!!
VeganDave001 2 years ago
Wrong again.....as a journalist you should have a impartial view to report a balanced view...which you do not. Your are a firm supporter of your cause, and very paranoid that you think because I do not believe in your methods that I must be a police officer. Yes I know many Officers both professionally and in friendship. Many of them like most of the public, have hard lives to live at this time, more closure concerns of feeding their children and paying the bills. (more to come)
surfdood1969 2 years ago
Worrying about animals is important but it is a long way down the list for most of us. These campaigns are good to get a message across, but without policing the minority with their faces covered start the violence and damage we see on the news time after time, so the lots of Officers are there to prevent this problem. I know alot of people from many backgrounds and beliefs, the majority listen to your cause but have more important things to worry about.
surfdood1969 2 years ago
Most people see activist as trouble, disruptive...what does G20 mean to most..violence from both Cops and Activists.....lets look at one point, Ferrets used for testing swine flu vaccines....If it means a 100 ferrets suffer for the life a one child..well sorry our children are more important everytime...!!!
surfdood1969 2 years ago
LOL - standard police psychops - ignore the counter arguments (why would a 'lawyer' make such biased comments, etc) and re-inforce the points (police are just doing their job, all protests turn violent if not policed (lol!), drug testing works, our children are worth more than animals; though we do of course care for those animals)....
As you don't want to give your badge number, can I suggest you get some updated psych manuals ?!!!!
VeganDave001 2 years ago
Vegandave and the long haired lad with the earing thorugh his mouth who appear at loads of demos if you watch the videos. Freelance Journalist my arse more like ALF activists!! Try s14 POA re the protests - two or more etc etc.....just scruffy trouble makers......
surfdood1969 2 years ago
LOL - what's your badge number then officer ?
VeganDave001 2 years ago
A youtube video does not a journo make. A journalist would remain independent and not butt in.
scottmck72 2 years ago
And you can reference this point from the NUJ codes of pracise, right......well, you can, can't you ?
VeganDave001 2 years ago
Is she (asian cop) trying to be tough? Not buying that shit one bit.
lagosdogblue 2 years ago
Why don't you just leave the police to do their job! Just coz your lives are boring you don't have to but in and make the officers job harder than it already is. If I was there that camera would of been shoved up your arse!
danlanglands 2 years ago
Then you are part of the problem, not the cure, donanglands
mikeybrumbrum 2 years ago
I am SO amazed at how the young copper at the end, realised what he'd said and ran off like a scared chicken.
It was when he said "ITS POLICY", cus that means they are in BUSINESS. Businesses have policies. But WHO decides the policy ?
Well, its the FREEMASONS at the Lodges in Sutton Coldfield and Solihull.
Most Freemasons Lodges are in CONSERVATIVE clubs, whereas NONE are in "working mens" clubs.
The Royalist Tory Freemasons are joining together, to grind us down into Slavery AGAIN.
WAKE
mikeybrumbrum 2 years ago
you dont need to SHOUT
viperz888 2 years ago
Because, people, the ROYALISTS are BACK !
The Freemaosns are just one part of the Royalists. WE, the people won a civil war against the Royalists, and they came back as 2Constitutional" monarchs, with less power.
But now they are trying to break that rule, and stitch us up directly, by sending police to drag what little money is in our towns, into their ROYAL towns of Sutton Coldfield, Solihull.
THINK - READ - WAKE UP !!
The Empire is Striking Back !!
mikeybrumbrum 2 years ago
Once again, the police take the money which will earns them and the lawyers, the most money. No arrest, no court case = no lawyers and police wages.
This is another easy victim.
And at the end, he say Its "POLICY". Thats right, the police would NOT have arrested him like that in Sutton or Solihull because their POLICY is to be nice to people, whereas the rest of Birmingham, the POLICY is to arrest, and extract MONEY.
Why these 2 towns ?
They are the ROYAL TOWNS of Sutton and Solihull.
mikeybrumbrum 2 years ago
the arrogance of the police is disgusting , that young asian pig needs a slap
Englishlion12000050 2 years ago
Let yourself down "pig" and "slap" ...
surfdood1969 2 years ago
Well done to the journo here.
They could have given the teenager a criminal record for nothing if they thought noone was interested. Messed his life up with their control freakery.
thefunkygeezer 2 years ago
police hate being filmed because they know they're abusing their powers
tomheppy 2 years ago
so i dont get it - when can you use a megaphone in public? Anytime or do you really have to write to the council for permission blah blah blah....?
chappelle87 2 years ago
Using a megaphone isn't illegal, the law can't stop you - I had this confirmed when I had my complaints against the law upheld. Basically, the law tell you anything if they think you don't know the law!
VeganDave001 2 years ago
Ok so... there 100% isn't any law or statute in place that prevents you from using a megaphone in public? What if say the police said you were disturbing the peace? It wouldn't really be the issue of having the megaphone would it? The main issue would be disturbing the peace right? Soz to be predantic but its cos police themselves can be too...
chappelle87 2 years ago
I believe some councils have introduced by-laws which state you have to have their permission to use a megaphone. Disturbing the peace by using a megaphone wouldn't apply in an area such as used on our demoes as there was a constant traffic flow and plenty of other 'environmental' noise.
If you were using a megaphone in a residential street at 3am in the morning, then yeah, I'd assume this could be classed as a breach of the peace!
VeganDave001 2 years ago
Thanks very much for your patience lol! I'm really interested in this sort of stuff - I applied to be in the MET as a PC (cos' I'm Muslim and of arab origin I imagine they would've loved to bring me on board cos of ethnic stuff etc...) Although I kinda changed my mind come the interview stage... I guess I didn't think I'd realistically commit myself...
...So I took a cashier job at Barclays... :'(
chappelle87 2 years ago
No problem - happy to help if/when I can!
You probably made the right decision in not joining the Met - given that the police now seem to be nothing more than lackeys to the large corporations! I wonder how many cops really like being told what to do by pharmaceutical companies ?!
As to you being a cashier at Barclays that's not a problem either! Though I'd be interested to know if your branch ever got demoed because of the HLS link ?
VeganDave001 2 years ago
lord holland said it was ok
MrKippers22 2 years ago
If only i was there with my AK47. I would of shown them were to stick their corporate law.
skunkace 2 years ago
Well done again! Don't let those bully boys intimidate you. Carry on until they unlawfully arrest you and then claim compensation for it.
Police stupidity funds SHAC!! LOL
tayraw 2 years ago
The bad grammer was due to about 7 glasses of wine that night! I apologise if I had caused offence to anybody, however I still stand by what I said. No, I am not a police officer nor do I wish to be, however I am a big supporter of their work. The overall fact is that videos like this one are purely used to insite public hate and mistrust in the police. Nobody can really argue that point, whatever their view on this incident!
Anyway I promise I wont use youtube after a drink!
DrunkFlatEric 2 years ago
If videos showing uneditted actions of the police "insite public hate", then who is to blame for that - the police for their actions or the person who films it ?!!!!
No, my intention is not for my work to incite public hate and mistrust, my work documents life as it happens - which is the role of the journalist, which you should know as you claim to be one.
Your latest post once again shows your lack of impartiality (in fact you're quite happy to admit it) which is strange for a journalist
VeganDave001 2 years ago
Bully tactics. Should have been no arrests. No law broken
Glendale1835 2 years ago
Dave this pillock needs ignoring. He is defending the cops on the Ian Tomlinson videos as well he is probably a cop himself or a Daily Mail / Sun reader.
obesevegan 2 years ago
Yeah, I'd assumed with the bad grammar and crap English he was probably a member of the police force!
It's obvious he's not a journalist, but hey, his comments are helping to keep my video higher up the 'most discussed in non-profits and activism', so if he's happy to show his lack of credibility to one and all, I'm happy for my videos to be higher rated (therefore more likely to be watched)!
VeganDave001 2 years ago
With regards to this being classes as journalisim, is absolutly absured. If this was going to be classed as journalism it should have filmed the protest, give an idea on what it was about, give reasons for it, THEN film the police turn up and arrest the male for committing the offences that you say that he has committed. THEN ask the questions and speak to the press office for an official response
Having been an actually journalist for 9 years, I find this video insulting to the proffession
DrunkFlatEric 2 years ago
Had you read the demo report elsewhere, you would have known that the tape of the demo was seized from me, which is why there is no footage of the demo.
Having been a journalist for over 20 years, I'd expect any journalist (esp one for 9 years) to ascertain facts before posting uninformed comments - you've done this twice now!
Also, to state that filming the police not carrying out their duties cannot be classed as journalism, regardless of previous events is a bit absurd!
VeganDave001 2 years ago
Also, if you've been a journalist for 9 years, then how is it you think a freelance isn't a real journalist ? What would the NUJ think of such sentiment ?!!!!
Do you have any freelance colleagues ? If so what do they think of you not classing them as 'real journalists' ?
VeganDave001 2 years ago
Also - "this being classes as journalism", "proffession", "been an actually journalist" - you need an editor, don't you!
Also - "offences that you say that he has committed"; please point me to where I said the person committed any offence.
For a journalist with nine years experience, your English isn't very good and you don't seem to read what's actually written which is far more insulting to the profession than that which you (incorrectly) accused me of!
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VeganDave001 2 years ago
If you can do better then get out there, dave was .
LeahSade 2 years ago
I refuse to call myself an animal rights activists. I am not for animal rights. I am an animal liberation activist. HLS are not the only company I demo against and I don't campign in a welfarist fashion. I campaign for total Animal Liberation and the distancing between humans and animals. Only then will the animals be free.
triple203 2 years ago
Identifying yourself as a "freelance" (ie, not a real one) journalist does not give you the right to shove a camera in police officers faces and demand information on people who have just been arrested!!!
It just makes you sound like a complete tool, and does no good for your cause
DrunkFlatEric 2 years ago
Erm accusing a freelance of not being a 'real' journalist makes you sound a complete tool and does not make people take you seriously.
If you watch the video you'll see I wasn't demanding info on the people arrested, I was enquiring as to why the police weren't taking witness details to an alleged crime and also asking under which law the police were saying the use of megaphones were not allowed!
As a freelance (ie a real journalist), I make sure of my facts before commenting!
VeganDave001 2 years ago
Idiotic comment like most on YouTube. No-one was shoving the camera in anyones face and are you saying the police should be able to do anything without fear of members of the public being able to question them? Comments like this are the reason we live in a police state and you have the audacity to say Dave is a tool! Think first then engage brain then if you can make a valid point.
obesevegan 2 years ago
If somebody come to your place of work (thats if you actually have a job), shoved a camera in your face (which is very clear what has happened here) CLAIM your a journalist and start questioning on what you were doing in a rude and provocative manner, what would you respone have done?
And saying that this country is a police state makes you more of a tool that the prat who posted this video. If we were in a police state you would have been shot for even having an opinion
DrunkFlatEric 2 years ago
"Tool who posted this video", 'prat who posted this video' - where's your journalistic professionalism and integrity here then ?
Also, 'shoved a camera in your face' - do you understand that cameras have zoom functions ?
"Claim your a journalist" should be "claim you're a journalist" - bad English does not enhance your claim to be a juornalist!
VeganDave001 2 years ago
"If we were in a police state you would have been shot for even having an opinion."
No, that would be a police state that has functioned for so long that its able to repress the people further with force and violence. That's called a total dictatorship.
Do you think police state's happen overnight? Suddenly new laws are in place and its only when police are using guns on the public everyday?
Did Jean Charles de Menezes not hold opinions? We are in a police state by your definition.
untilallarefree 2 years ago
That was ment to be 'people with further force and violence'.
This guy is blatantly a cop, I don't care what he says! This is just cop 'solidarity'.
untilallarefree 2 years ago
The officer at the end of the video is incorrect - Section 5 of the public order act states: "within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress" and relates to threatening or violent behavior, but you know they make it up as the go along don't they - Oh and you don't need a approval from the council, like they would ever give it anyway.
jadedshade 2 years ago
police, acting for a government, controlled by corporate interest, is fascism.
UK = POLICE STATE.
pigfister 2 years ago
Does anyone else get the impression that this country's whole social hierarchy/system is crumbling? It's wonderful.
Fight the Police. Don't take any shit from those murderous bastards.
alex1810 2 years ago
Wow, she's a complete bitch!
You find out what happened to the poor boy?
jjmuse121 2 years ago
We're trying to find out what happened to the lad - they only arrested him as he and his friends were showing an interest in the reasons for the demo and Barclays didn't like that!
VeganDave001 2 years ago
Apparently the lad was eventually released without charge.
VeganDave001 2 years ago
Brilliant, another video showing how incompetent our police are in this country, they really havent a clue, i will be reposting this over social network sites, these arseholes need to be exposed
robmarriott72 2 years ago
While demos based on such tenuous links are extremely unlikely to bring any real benefit to the animal rights movement and for the most part seem to serve the role of antagonising the public and police... those police officers did NOT know what they were on about, and their behaviour was completely inappropriate -- I hope complaints are upheld!
vgnsxe 2 years ago
I would argue that as the MAIN SHAREHOLDER now in HLS, Local Barclays demos happening frequently up and down the country do a lot of good to the cause.
triple203 2 years ago
I agree - Barclays demos are not only useful, but essential if the routine animal cruelty at HLS is to be stopped.
VeganDave001 2 years ago
Barclays may have the largest stake in the company; this doesn't translate to a majority of shares.
And if HLS closes? Contracts will be reassigned to other labs. Does this actually represent a victory for animals, when the number of animals exploited will remain exactly the same?
Not only are single-issue campaigns futile, they reinforce speciesist attitudes by indirectly condoning other forms of animal abuse. Anti-vivisection campaigns serve only to entrench speciesist values in this manner.
vgnsxe 2 years ago
All single issues make up the whole, so the answer is to fight all the abuse wherever we can it occurs, not make excuses to do nothing whilst millions of animals suffer and die needlessly.
Taking your attitude, we may as well not have granted rights to women in the UK because women are still oppressed in Afghanistan - want to go back to being a second class citizen whilst we sort out womens' rights in the rest of the world ?
No, didn't think so!
VeganDave001 2 years ago
1) animal rights and human rights are not comparable; it's common consensus that violations of human rights are unacceptable, while this is not the case with animal rights.
Also, activism of any form is almost always "local" by necessity. So the comparison is invalid.
2) I didn't condone doing "nothing" -- vegan outreach is an immensely productive alternative. It has the potential to actually save animals; unlike single-issue campaigns, which damage their standing in the long term.
vgnsxe 2 years ago
Of course rights for all sentient beings are comparable! If you don't understand this, then perhaps that's why you don't understand the need to fight all single issues as part of the whole!
The comparison isn't invalid - you just don't understand it!
How about liberating animals ? Do you understand liberating fifty animals from suffering and death whilst millions of their species are not saved ?
Do you understand that all single issues make up the whole ?
VeganDave001 2 years ago
To qualify; animal rights and human rights campaigns, and the public perception of such, are not comparable.
Essentially, wrongs against humans of any sort are already commonly held to be unacceptable. The same cannot be said for issues pertaining to non-humans. By focusing on a single issue (eg vivisection) and neglecting all other forms of exploitation, other forms of exploitation are condoned by omission. The same cannot be said of vegan outreach, which condemns all forms of exploitation.
vgnsxe 2 years ago
People aren't campaigning for the public perception, they are fighting for the animals.
Campaigners don't focus on a single issue (ie vivisection), they campaign against all animal abuse (seal culling, dairy industry, fur, etc, etc) as well as giving time to vegan outreach.
If you are happy to stand by and do nothing directly against the abuse whilst doing outreach, then that is your decision. Those who choose to campaign too don't mock you, so again, ask why yourself why you mock them!
VeganDave001 2 years ago
How many individual animals have you saved by convincing people to go vegan ?
People involved in direct campaigning are also involved in vegan outreach, so instead of mocking them for doing more than you do, perhaps you should ask yourself why you really do no campaigning and why you try to mock those who do ?
VeganDave001 2 years ago
P.S. you can put in a separate complaint for the 2 bike cops because they need to be retrained on S5 public orders 1986.
triple203 2 years ago 3
Yeah - 2 complaints have been submitted to the IPCC.
VeganDave001 2 years ago
Sue the fucker. I hope you got the arresting officer's number. We just 2 IPCC complaints upheld from last year.
triple203 2 years ago 2
So apparently you can get council permission to break the law!?! So does this mean as long as I get council permission I can punch those arsehole coppers in the face!?!? What a complete load of bullshit!
Well done to the protesters. Fight the oppression!!
alanbuttle 2 years ago 2
The cops are getting really stupid, I hope a they get IPCC and sued!
AranSPEAKS 2 years ago