"if they make a mistake I don't want them to be punished" having a beautiful baby is a mistake and punishment. wow that is a dumb statement. did you vote for obama because he is half-black. we vote for palin because we don't think the government is the answer to all our problems. and she fights for families.thats man and woman and children only.the break down of the family is the reason the economy is broken.children raising themselfs, parents seeing chidren as punishment
Woman if you actually think SARAH PALIN will win in 2012.... god you are so stupid.
Did you ever think about how McCain workers would lash out at her for what shes done. Calling them names, belittling them, saying shes running for president in 2012... did you know the woman didn't even know Africa was a continent? Did you know she believes in incest breeding (go figure she's from alaska). Its scary how people like you only support her because she's PRO-LIFE. You're all retarded.
My personal opinion is that if something can live on its own outside your body, it deserves human rights. Otherwise it is simply a part of you, or a parasite. There's no law against cutting off your own foot if you so choose to do so. I also think there'd be a lot more pain involved with chopping off your foot. But really, the point of the matter is that it should be an individual's right to choose. It's just a hunk of flesh with potential, nothing more. It's not like we have souls or anything.
When a child is a few months old and needs to be breast fed, it is living off the mother. When a child is 12 years old and has a disease and the mom needs to pay for his health care, that child is living off the mother. Yet, it would not be right to take a 10 month old babies life nor a 12 year old pre-teen. And the comment about souls is justifing every type of murder.
Different DNA, so your FOOT analogy doesn't work. No soul argument sounds like a religion argument to me, so that doesn't count. Parasite? Do you support the hunk O' flesh, just a part of you, parasite argument 4.5 days or less before the natural birth, samisyosam?
You need to retool your lacking case against the obvious logical fact that YOU were once an unborn child in your mother's womb.
I don't understand your example relation to this argue. but if you would like you can answer my question. If woman's body defect some of conceived eggs during her life by baring in mind that christians believe life begins immediately after conceiving moment, is a baby died or not?
I know this has been a long time. But that is the most confusing question(?)/statement(?) I have read in a long time. What is the question? Or what are you trying to say?
May be it's because of my english, cause it's not my first language. sorry about that.
Any way, my point is, woman's body defecates some conceived eggs naturally, let say natural abortion. So not every conceived egg will become a baby. By todays technology it's possible to avoid that and keep those eggs to become baby. So the issue isn't as simple as so called pro-life people think. The main question is when we can call a bunch of cell human and protect it as far as we can afterwards.
BRAVO!!! great vid! and I agree with MichelleRoxs, I also like the scenes from Juno. I haven't seen the movie yet but plan to. TRhe scenes were a nice touch.
MichelleRoxs, Thank You For Being Sucha Trooper. Your Support means a lot to me.
And I would Like To Add That Abortion Is Not A Religious Issue. It is A MORAL/ETHICAL Issue. Christians,Atheists, Buddhists,Agnostics, Muslins, All type of people have commited murder. But Murder is not a Religious Issue. I Do Not Know One Person Who Things Murder In Any Case Is Justifiable. What Is The Difference With Abortion?
you're my hero jstar. a very dear child i know is the product of rape. his mother realized he was not a "punishment", but a real, live, child, and she gifted him with life and in turn, blessed two loving people who could not have a child of their own. ignore the hatred hun.
It is a punishment depending on what your world is like! It is a punishment for many women and girls who make such mistakes. George Carlin is absolutely right! Conservatives, who are anti-abortion, want live babies so that they can be raised to be dead soldiers! That's exactly what Hitler wanted too!!
The children born today won't be eligible to join the military for a good 17 years & 6 months, specifically, what with the laws that they have today that say when a person can join! And there is such a thing as a draft! Which they could bring back at any time, ..duh!!
Haha no I'm not even that devout of a Christian and I even believe that gays should be allowed to get married. But thank you for totally sterotyping me before you even know me, just like every other liberal out there =)
funny you say that, you stereotyped me as a liberal left wing baby killer just because I am in support the idea choices another woman makes with her body and the tough disisions she has to make is not the states, or any of your business.
So it has nothing to do with a soul being installed in the fertilized egg then?
I am personally against abortion as it devalues life but support upholding roe v wade. But more importantly I am against bringing this issue back into the election. Anti choice zealots got George W Bush elected and I do not want to see the republicans back in again.
I believe that life begins at the moment of contraception. You could argue aganist that, But because most women do not even know that they are pregnant until they are about 3 months pregnant (usually) the child is already beginning development by then. And yes the Bush administration has failed in numerous ways. And even if you do not want to see the abortion issue coming back into the election, it is happening because both McCain and Obama have brought up the issue several times.
There were numerous people McCain could have chosen to maintain a rational balance in the abortion issue but he went for the zealot in order to buy the evangelical vote. Obama never wanted to make abortion an election issue It was a politicking ploy by McCain. Republican means the marriage of big business and religiosity.. Obama is now up 5 points in the swing states I really hope he wins.
Well yes that was the point of McCain having Palin as his running mate....as for who may win, time will only tell. The vote has gone back and forth. I will not feel comfortable with Obama as president though.
It's going to be a whole lot of responsibility for anyone but like yesterday when McCain pulled the "Look at me I am a true patriot" grandstanding ploy Obama didn't fall into the one-up-man-ship trap He showed real leadership skills how he handled that.
However, how you see that will solely depend on who is your favorite candidate.
Oh and looking back, I'm sorry I called you a baby killer. I don't know you personally, and that was way out of line on my part, so , sorry and I'll understand if you don't accept it.
So, wtf are you, an atheist!?! Look, state your opinions on any subject that you want, but with abortion there is an undeniable force against it coming from the religious wrong!! The pro-life stance is anti-women, that is obvious & without a doubt!
And at the risk of sounding redundant, the pro-lifer's, certainly the ones that are religious, trample on womens rights & trample all over everything else, bc they want live babies to grow up to be dead soldiers!
I am a CHRISTIAN, just not a devout, throw the Bible in your face kind of Christian! It IS possible to be pro-life without being something like that. I am NOT going to throw Bible verses in everyone's face.
And you are a right wing fascist pig! If it was in your interest to "kill babies" then you would do it with a smile, but conservatives such as yourself are no better than Adolf Hitler who desired a virtually unlimited # of children to become an unlimited # of soldiers!
"Punished with a baby" ... That says it all.
I think not voting for Obama may be the proudest decision of my life.
williamsire 3 years ago
abortion is the mothers choice...not the presidents.
Lindseyclaire0890 3 years ago
Pro-Choice is Anti-Science & Anti-Logic.
MyMuslimFaith 3 years ago 2
Punished with a baby...? That's sounds ridiculous, Obama.
Life is the beautiful choice!
MyMuslimFaith 3 years ago 3
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acrosswalkmassacre 3 years ago
If this situation is about choice, please inform me why the child's choice to live is not a matter...
I don't support just because she's pro-life I support for a million reasons that would take way too long to type out.
jstardude 3 years ago
You sound kind of hateful, crosswalk. You also sound like a typical sailor on the SS CensorShip! PRO-LIFE? I like it!
MyMuslimFaith 3 years ago
"if they make a mistake I don't want them to be punished" having a beautiful baby is a mistake and punishment. wow that is a dumb statement. did you vote for obama because he is half-black. we vote for palin because we don't think the government is the answer to all our problems. and she fights for families.thats man and woman and children only.the break down of the family is the reason the economy is broken.children raising themselfs, parents seeing chidren as punishment
bennett1200 3 years ago
Woman if you actually think SARAH PALIN will win in 2012.... god you are so stupid.
Did you ever think about how McCain workers would lash out at her for what shes done. Calling them names, belittling them, saying shes running for president in 2012... did you know the woman didn't even know Africa was a continent? Did you know she believes in incest breeding (go figure she's from alaska). Its scary how people like you only support her because she's PRO-LIFE. You're all retarded.
acrosswalkmassacre 3 years ago
My personal opinion is that if something can live on its own outside your body, it deserves human rights. Otherwise it is simply a part of you, or a parasite. There's no law against cutting off your own foot if you so choose to do so. I also think there'd be a lot more pain involved with chopping off your foot. But really, the point of the matter is that it should be an individual's right to choose. It's just a hunk of flesh with potential, nothing more. It's not like we have souls or anything.
samisyosam 3 years ago
When a child is a few months old and needs to be breast fed, it is living off the mother. When a child is 12 years old and has a disease and the mom needs to pay for his health care, that child is living off the mother. Yet, it would not be right to take a 10 month old babies life nor a 12 year old pre-teen. And the comment about souls is justifing every type of murder.
jstardude 3 years ago
Different DNA, so your FOOT analogy doesn't work. No soul argument sounds like a religion argument to me, so that doesn't count. Parasite? Do you support the hunk O' flesh, just a part of you, parasite argument 4.5 days or less before the natural birth, samisyosam?
You need to retool your lacking case against the obvious logical fact that YOU were once an unborn child in your mother's womb.
MyMuslimFaith 3 years ago
what about out of body conception? is it god choice or human choice?
you are like a child, that saw a toy and keep saying I WANT IT, I DON'T CARE ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE, I JUST WANT THIS!
rezab1976 3 years ago
Let me ask you something, if a conceived egg has been defected naturally by woman body is it murder or not?
rezab1976 3 years ago
In that Case It Is God's Case To Take the Baby Home To Him. And If you Don't Believe in God, It was "natures" Choice.
jstardude 3 years ago
I meant God's Choice.
jstardude 3 years ago
If a car driving at a safe speed hits ice & causes a fatal accident, is that a murder, rezab1976 ? Weak analogy...
MyMuslimFaith 3 years ago
I don't understand your example relation to this argue. but if you would like you can answer my question. If woman's body defect some of conceived eggs during her life by baring in mind that christians believe life begins immediately after conceiving moment, is a baby died or not?
rezab1976 3 years ago
I know this has been a long time. But that is the most confusing question(?)/statement(?) I have read in a long time. What is the question? Or what are you trying to say?
williamsire 3 years ago
May be it's because of my english, cause it's not my first language. sorry about that.
Any way, my point is, woman's body defecates some conceived eggs naturally, let say natural abortion. So not every conceived egg will become a baby. By todays technology it's possible to avoid that and keep those eggs to become baby. So the issue isn't as simple as so called pro-life people think. The main question is when we can call a bunch of cell human and protect it as far as we can afterwards.
rezab1976 3 years ago
nØbama. GR8 JOB! Babies are our gifts! If you don't want yours somebody will!
MCCAIN-PALIN! FOR LIFE!
wildflowersandi 3 years ago 3
BRAVO!!! great vid! and I agree with MichelleRoxs, I also like the scenes from Juno. I haven't seen the movie yet but plan to. TRhe scenes were a nice touch.
padget24 3 years ago
Yes, your video is nice..
jesajasen 3 years ago
MichelleRoxs, Thank You For Being Sucha Trooper. Your Support means a lot to me.
And I would Like To Add That Abortion Is Not A Religious Issue. It is A MORAL/ETHICAL Issue. Christians,Atheists, Buddhists,Agnostics, Muslins, All type of people have commited murder. But Murder is not a Religious Issue. I Do Not Know One Person Who Things Murder In Any Case Is Justifiable. What Is The Difference With Abortion?
jstardude 3 years ago
No problem jstardude. I love that part from Juno you added in there, btw.
MichelleRoxs 3 years ago
Oh and I met Gianna! She is the sweetest woman!
MichelleRoxs 3 years ago
I think you did an amazing job on this video jstardude!
MichelleRoxs 3 years ago
you're my hero jstar. a very dear child i know is the product of rape. his mother realized he was not a "punishment", but a real, live, child, and she gifted him with life and in turn, blessed two loving people who could not have a child of their own. ignore the hatred hun.
laxmom6 3 years ago
Then IAm Sorry You Refuse To Face The Truth.
It Is Not Just Propaganda because In The Beginning Your Clearly Hear Obama State That A Baby Is A pUnishment
jstardude 3 years ago
It is a punishment depending on what your world is like! It is a punishment for many women and girls who make such mistakes. George Carlin is absolutely right! Conservatives, who are anti-abortion, want live babies so that they can be raised to be dead soldiers! That's exactly what Hitler wanted too!!
Is that what you want!? ...apparently!!
Obama/Biden '08!!!
SpookeyR 3 years ago
I Didn't Bring Anything Up About the War actually...
jstardude 3 years ago
You didn't have to! That's what fundamentalist conservatives want children for.
Consider it a freebie.
SpookeyR 3 years ago
Um yeah lets see, joining the military is a choice, nobody is forcing them to join it.
Oh yeah and McCain/Palin '08!
MichelleRoxs 3 years ago
LOLOL, what are you dense!??
The children born today won't be eligible to join the military for a good 17 years & 6 months, specifically, what with the laws that they have today that say when a person can join! And there is such a thing as a draft! Which they could bring back at any time, ..duh!!
Obama/Biden '08!!
SpookeyR 3 years ago
No one is bringing back the draft. You are paranoid.
McCain/Palin '08!
MichelleRoxs 3 years ago
Thank you so Much For the Support.
Exactly, The soldiers have a voice and most of them are fighting out their with their heads up because they had a say in defending their country.
The silent screams of these infants are never heard.
jstardude 3 years ago
No problem =)
MichelleRoxs 3 years ago
Your video is conservative right wing propaganda. (bullshut)
AuShawster 3 years ago
And your a liberal left wing baby killer.
MichelleRoxs 3 years ago
I guess you are not a feminist then?
How can you tell John McCain's
standards are falling?
Both is wives were beauty queens
Palin was only a runner up.
why do you think Palin would be good at foreign affairs?
Her language skills - She can speak in tongues
AuShawster 3 years ago
No I'm not a feminist, obviously.
I don't believe in being a man-basher.
MichelleRoxs 3 years ago
MichelleRoxs bet your a good christian woman like in the bible?
Property of men and almost as important as sheep and cattle.
AuShawster 3 years ago
Haha no I'm not even that devout of a Christian and I even believe that gays should be allowed to get married. But thank you for totally sterotyping me before you even know me, just like every other liberal out there =)
MichelleRoxs 3 years ago
funny you say that, you stereotyped me as a liberal left wing baby killer just because I am in support the idea choices another woman makes with her body and the tough disisions she has to make is not the states, or any of your business.
AuShawster 3 years ago
But my religon is your business??
And yeah,protecting innocent babies that have done nothing wrong is a kinda a big deal to me, as you can tell.
MichelleRoxs 3 years ago
it sure as hell is when religiosity sticks it faith based realities into politics
AuShawster 3 years ago
But NONE of my arguments aganist abortion have anything to do with religion.
MichelleRoxs 3 years ago
Unusual but not unheard of
So it has nothing to do with a soul being installed in the fertilized egg then?
I am personally against abortion as it devalues life but support upholding roe v wade. But more importantly I am against bringing this issue back into the election. Anti choice zealots got George W Bush elected and I do not want to see the republicans back in again.
AuShawster 3 years ago
I believe that life begins at the moment of contraception. You could argue aganist that, But because most women do not even know that they are pregnant until they are about 3 months pregnant (usually) the child is already beginning development by then. And yes the Bush administration has failed in numerous ways. And even if you do not want to see the abortion issue coming back into the election, it is happening because both McCain and Obama have brought up the issue several times.
MichelleRoxs 3 years ago
There were numerous people McCain could have chosen to maintain a rational balance in the abortion issue but he went for the zealot in order to buy the evangelical vote. Obama never wanted to make abortion an election issue It was a politicking ploy by McCain. Republican means the marriage of big business and religiosity.. Obama is now up 5 points in the swing states I really hope he wins.
AuShawster 3 years ago 2
Well yes that was the point of McCain having Palin as his running mate....as for who may win, time will only tell. The vote has gone back and forth. I will not feel comfortable with Obama as president though.
MichelleRoxs 3 years ago
It's going to be a whole lot of responsibility for anyone but like yesterday when McCain pulled the "Look at me I am a true patriot" grandstanding ploy Obama didn't fall into the one-up-man-ship trap He showed real leadership skills how he handled that.
However, how you see that will solely depend on who is your favorite candidate.
AuShawster 3 years ago
Oh and looking back, I'm sorry I called you a baby killer. I don't know you personally, and that was way out of line on my part, so , sorry and I'll understand if you don't accept it.
MichelleRoxs 3 years ago
So, wtf are you, an atheist!?! Look, state your opinions on any subject that you want, but with abortion there is an undeniable force against it coming from the religious wrong!! The pro-life stance is anti-women, that is obvious & without a doubt!
And at the risk of sounding redundant, the pro-lifer's, certainly the ones that are religious, trample on womens rights & trample all over everything else, bc they want live babies to grow up to be dead soldiers!
SpookeyR 3 years ago
I am a CHRISTIAN, just not a devout, throw the Bible in your face kind of Christian! It IS possible to be pro-life without being something like that. I am NOT going to throw Bible verses in everyone's face.
MichelleRoxs 3 years ago
Separate yourself from them, try if you dare! They will cut you off at the knees!!
SpookeyR 3 years ago
And you are a right wing fascist pig! If it was in your interest to "kill babies" then you would do it with a smile, but conservatives such as yourself are no better than Adolf Hitler who desired a virtually unlimited # of children to become an unlimited # of soldiers!
Get your head out of your ass!!!
Obama/Biden '08!!
SpookeyR 3 years ago