So what's your point after 10mins here... Are you against capital punishment in general or just the nature in how some have been carried out, causing real pain and discomfort to murders and rapists? Hard to have sympathy for these evil people.
All the people who support capital punishment in these comments... You can tell the people who were put to death how much you hate them when you meet them in hell, because your comments will get you there... Stupid yanks!!
The positive side of the electric chair had a delightful spin off called Crispy Critters . Probably invented by the guy that through the switch that roasted the ( so called ) victims . What about these victims victim's ? What inhuman tortures did they receive for absolutely no reason other then to please the murderous scum bag's that were roasted in the electric chair , never to kill again ? I say bring back the electric chair to roast baby killers like Casey Anthony and other dirt bag's .
That's not Louisiana's electric chair. By the looks of it, it looks like West Virginia's old electric chair or possibly Ohio's, as they had very similar designs. However, at a second glance, it's definitely West Virginia's as Ohio's old electric chair appears more aged and the headrest is slightly different as are the ankle restraints and the arm/shoulder clamps.
@RorerQuaalude714 I can only repeat what I wrote in comments earlier. The person who took the picture said it was Louisiana's chair. I can only assume that, when he took the picture, he was both in Louisiana and in the presence of the chair he photographed. I admit, it's possible, though unlikely, that his memory is as bad as mine.
how about you talk about how the "victims" of the chair killed their victims. bet you hard money it was not clean it was not kind and it was not merciful.
@SaintLiam78 That was never the point. The point is that redressing one act of violence with another isn't rational. The purpose is supposed to be the protection of the people, not revenge on the criminal. As simply as I can put it, and this is by no means my idea: killing to show that killing is wrong . . . is WRONG.
@SaintLiam78 The state of California is presently considering dropping the death penalty because, believe it or not, it costs a great deal more to execute a person than to incarcerate him for life. Don't take my word for it, check it out yourself. Death penalties in every state cost MORE than warehousing bad guys. Of course, we COULD dispense with the efforts to be sure of guilt, and just summarily execute people, as they did in the wild west. But that's not going to happen.
@Largo64 people on death row are not summarily executed and how do you figure it costs less to house clothe feed and look after someones healthcare for the rest of their life? if you want to buy that bleeding heart AP bullshit that's fine by me just don't try to tell me its wrong to kill a murderer.
@SaintLiam78 Nobody said people WERE summarily executed. I said that's what you would have to do to make execution cheaper than incarceration. You really didn't check into it or you would know that execution really does cost more. Seems counterintuitive, I know, but it's a fact. You just blew off what I said without looking because you don't want to be proven wrong. Have it your own way.
@Largo64 I looked it up a few years ago for a research paper on the subject and it seems all the bleeding heart left wing sites were saying its cheaper to just let them live, I still call bullshit on that and you can say what you will about me i have fact to back up my case and thats all that matters so i will say again, fry the scumbags.
@SaintLiam78 Your research paper a few years ago doesn't cut the mustard. Go to any California newspaper site, like the Los Angeles Times or the San Jose Mercury News and you will find articles on the effort in California to drop the death penalty because of the serious financial crisis here and the fact that it is too expensive. They will cite the costs, and compare them. I looked it up before and don't intend to do your homework for you. Or you can continue to deny. All the same to me.
I think no one has the right to play god. But when that doesn't apply to the criminal??? Why r you sooo concerned for the well being of a person on death row. Kill em and b done with it. That's why it's called death row. If you want to abolish the death penalty then u need to appeal to the criminals to stop killing
@trinitytree1 You're using the kindergarden argument. If you reprimand a toddler for doing something wrong, he/she immediately replies something like "but Jason also pissed in the kitchen". If you think something's wrong when some one else does it (criminals murdering in cold blood), don't do the same fucking thing, ottherwise you could always justify everything. "Why should we have human rights when they didn't have it in Nazi Germany", etc.
I think the people who commit violent crimes should be punished in the same manner of their victims. Prison was meant for theives not gangs and killers. That's what the death penalty is for. So you can take your advice and stick it where the son don't shine. You probably have family or a friend who is on death row.
@trinitytree1 Even if you could always be sure of guilt I would disapprove of killing incarcerated people. But there have been many cases of people already on death row who were proven NOT guilty. Most times they were released before they were killed by the state. MOST times. But it should not be possible to execute an innocent person. The only way that could be is if there were no executions. By the way, I don't know anyone on death row. My objection is on principle. States shouldn't kill.
@trinitytree1 What amazing perception! I'll bet everyone else, looking at me, would say I was skinny. "An eye for an eye" is a quote, not an argument.
NOT ONE BIT troy had many chances to prove is so called innocence AND he couldnt he should have died long ago. what pisses me off more then any thing is antis never try to stop a ting untell THE RACE CARD is put in to play. to hell with DAVIS may he rot in hell. they should be executed the day the supreme court up holds there sentence. I have Personalty seen 2 people in Texas die for crimes agents my family. they got off Painless You want the DP gone then then they never leave there cell.
@ltoperater So you believe that all convicts are guilty? Or doesn't it bother you that innocent people are sometimes executed. A good case in point is the execution this week of Troy Anthony Davis in Georgia. Evidence of recanted testimony and police misconduct in the investigation was not considered because of procedural issues. A man's life was less valuable to the system than procedure.
These stories were gruesome, capital punishment is incredibly flawed, many innocents have died needlessly, yes some monsters like Bundy and Gacy were 100% guilty but I would be more satisfied to see them to this day rotting in jail rather than giving them the easy way out. Just my opinion. Life in jail with no chance of parole is a more fitting punishment.
@Crimsonjett I agree that sometimes we can be absolutely sure about guilt. And I also agree that lifetime incarceration is a better "punishment" than death.
Folks this is a place where we can try to discuss the issue without insulting and demeaning each other. If we keep open minds about it we can come to a conclusion that would satisfy both sides. In short, any insulting remarks made will be read, deleted, and ultimately ignored save a short laugh. I can see both sides of this issue, let's see if anyone else can.
@Madams1977 You're right. I've been on both sides of the issue myself. Not long ago I argued FOR capital punishment. But I have come to believe that the state's killing people to demonstrate that killing people is wrong simply makes no sense. I can't vilify someone who sincerely believes in the death penalty. I don't think such people are evil, only that they are wrong. If one could prove that the death penalty deterred others I might agree. But it hasn't been proved, because it just isn't true.
@Largo64 I agree. My reason for being against the death penalty has little to do with method, and almost everything to do with our judicial system. In short: until the government can prove someone is one hundred percent guilty with no doubt they should not be executing people. Also I believe that if we do choose to keep using capital punishment, then at the least we are socially obligated to make the death of the condemned as humane as possible so that we do not sink to their level.
I'm stating my updated opinion on the Allen Lee Davis electrocution. I've concluded that the "unintelligible roars" heard from him were probably pleas for them not to do it. The nosebleed was probably from stress and high blood pressure (which Davis had after blowing up to over 300 pounds while awaiting execution). I still hold that the electric chair is brutal and should be outlawed outright, but that's my opinion on what happened to Davis.
@dorka285 Unga bunga, he kill fo' peeple... people who base the use of capital punishment solely on vengeance are too small minded to discuss the issue with any level of intelligence. Stay out of it.
@Madams1977 shut your mouth dumb ass.You care more about that motherfucker than those innocent people - children you stupid pig ! He kill innocent children !
@dorka285 Whatever Tonto... you're the type who doesn't read comments in their entirety so any discussion is beyond your ability. Just keep ranting and misspelling things. For you to assume that from my comment is humorous. I stated only the facts of what I believed actually happened during Tiny Davis' execution, I never said he wasn't a fat piece of garbage that didn't deserve it. When you get back from remedial English, try commenting again. Good luck.
@Madams1977 And for the record, this is my updated opinion on what actually transpired during the Davis execution. There are far worse instances (Jesse Tafero for instance) to use as examples against the use of the electric chair rather than a guy who grew to the size of a baby whale while awaiting execution and in doing so his resistance to current went up. I've been zapped before and it made my nose bleed a little so that's no wonder either.
@DESERTRANGER7 If you mean the first one, the reason why electricity kills and exactly how it does were not well understood at the time. The chair was invented by a man who saw someone killed more or less instantly by touching a live electrical generator. It was thought that high voltage alone would kill quickly. Now we know that amperage (flow) is the primary cause. That's why tasers that generate 50,000 volts at extremely low amperage can knock a person down without (usually) killing him.
You know, all this could be avoided with one quick shot. Not that I'd want to be the one on either side of that situation. I wouldn't, but that's still a lot better than suffering.
@ashleyeberry91 I've been thinking the same thing about the guillotine, to be honest. I'm totally against the death penalty, but I can't help but notice that having the head cut off like that is bound to be less painful. (At least I never heard of botched guillotine executions.)
@silintpengin If you have a strong opinion, which apparently you have, there is no danger of my changing your mind. I just speak my own mind on my channel, and you can either accept it or not. I do hope to help change enough minds that the death penalty will someday soon be abolished everywhere. That has already happened in most of the civilized world. Americans are a little slow to give up the ultimate sanction. I think THAT is sad.
@mrlex2698 I'm sure of that. When I was a kid I stuck my finger into an empty light socket when the circuit was on. It didn't knock me out, but it hurt like hell. And that was less than a second of exposure. That's 120 volts, about 60 amps, if I remember household current correctly. It's enough to kill, if you are unlucky enough to be frozen to the spot. A car battery has a pretty good bite, too. It's only 12 volts, but it feels like someone hitting your finger with a hammer.
@Largo64 60 Amps is around ten times more than that drawn from the electric chair. I think that you're confusing current with frequency. You domestic power supply delivers a potential difference of 120V with an AC frequency of 60Hz. The current will depend on the resistance, but will be only a fraction of an Amp unless a deliberate short circuit is created.
I do not feel sorry for someone if he deserves the electric chair. On the other hand, he might be innocent(mostly not, but some cases...) So I am in debate about the usage of the death penalty. I am for one for live sentence, if the person is really is innocent, he has all the time to prove it, because he is in jail all the time and you know... Hes not dead. If he is not innocent, well, he will stay there forever... Thats my theory and opinion.
Oh yeah they have now been victimized....I feel SOOO sorry for them. If they are victims then we can call everyone a victim in one way or another....What a self pity trip that would be. Kleenex would sell outta tissues. They should have thought about all the victimizing shit before they murdered anyone huh. I don't feel bad for them at all.
@cnwesner Yeeeah, and in the middle ages, when people got tortured for crimes, they shoulda thought about that before they insulted the king, right? And in certain fundamentalist muslim countries where you cut off people's hands for stealing, they deserve no pity right?
@Mithcoriel Comparing a killer of humans and stealers of fruit sounds pretty stupid. Also last I checked they didn't have anyone on death row for insulting anyone. In recent times for the exception of 1995 no one was given the death penalty for anything other then murder. I'm not talking about back in the day ... We no longer live back then and if you want to compare apples to oranges then you must still be a cro-magnon.
@cnwesner Duh, of course we're better now than we were in the middle-ages. The point is to show that it's still barbarian, albeit less barbarian than before. People would have argued for torture the same way you are arguing for the death penalty now, and to me both just looks barbarian and cruel.
@Mithcoriel Honestly I understand what your saying ... However if you weigh the choices in situations like these. Death for this type of persons would only wage in the favor of the "normal" functioning members of society. I would hate to think that because someone thinks they have rehabilitated a murderer that they may re-enter the public only to do the same thing again ... Murder is not an illness as they make it sound ... Once they have killed that is it. I wish it were different but, it's not
@cnwesner Well if the death penalty got abolished, those sentences would be replaced with life sentences. It's not like former death row inmates would suddenly be released. Even with the death penalty in place, a jury is capable of wrongfully thinking a convict is fit for release.
And I'm sceptical of the claim "once they have killed that it is". That may be the case for some individuals, but certainly not all.
@Mithcoriel Ok then lets just let killers roam free or get out when they are "better" and we can all pretend like nothing happened and play with fuzzy little bunnies! ... I don't want anyone I know to be preyed upon by a killer ... And sweety the only reason they stop killing when they get locked up is because we ended their game, Otherwise they would not have stopped whatever it was they were doing.
So why is it that we should pay for them to live out lives in a proson cell when clearly they are not fit for human life to begin with. Why take the chance that they will once again victimize society and even possibly to kill another innocent human being?... I would rather have them never be a threat again. Think of a 5 year old child that is killed by a man just because they have some freak shit going on in their heads and they only want to diddle with little kids .. kid dies ..
and the man gets to live out a better life then most third world childrenin the world just because people like you want to "save" these assholes..No thanks put them down like the dogs they are and save our children and our families. And eye for an eye barely scratches the surface when it comes to things of this nature...A needle poke pales in comparison to the violent death the real victims suffered. It only ensures that this said douchebag will never reoffend again.
@cnwesner What you're basically saying is: Better kill the person, so we never see him improve in prison, and never decide he's fit for release where potentially we got it wrong. Is that the whole argument? Kill them so we never have to make the choice? What about those who really do get released and lead a good life afterwards?
And why always argue from the victim view? Do you want anyone you know to be the victim of a miscarriage of justice?
@Mithcoriel I'm saying once anyone has crossed the line of taking anothers life they should executed period. People don't end up on death row for stupid things and this day and age it is thank god with DNA it's becoming harder for injustice when it comes to killing the accused and not the true guilty and yes that is the greatest injustice ever but, i'm not willing to lose another child (specifically) because of some crap about rehabilitaion. It does not work. I hope your never victimized. Really
@cnwesner Fact is, 1. we can't ever be sure we're not killing innocents, 2. People don't only get executed for murder.
And I think it's flat-out wrong to say people don't get another chance after killing someone. Some people do it in the heat of the moment when they get into a fight, an regret it immediately afterward. You're willing to sacrifice countless strangers so your world stays comfy. And you sound like you'd be ready to kill someone who killed your child. Should we kill you afterwards?
@Mithcoriel First of all my words are to be taken exactly as I am saying them ... Stop twisting everything I say ... Second of all ... This is my opinion and as an American I can have what ever opinion I would like to have .... Third of all Your tiring ... Seriously I can't imagine how you were as a child because as a 24 y/o adult you sure have a lot of BLAH BLAH BLAH going on. AND WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT A SELF DEFENSE CASES OR CRIMES OF PASSION...Do you even know what the death penalty is?
@Mithcoriel If you do not then you need to research. I have the feeling you just think were over here killing people in prison left and right...That's how you make it sound ... Which is not only nieve but, honestly stupid. Please tell me Mithcoriel of ONE case of an inmate being executed on deathrow for self defense or accidently killing someone in a fight ... that would be manslaughter ... Which lacks intent. ... Not premeditated murder .. And im not talking the ice ages here young skywalker.
@Mithcoriel You have no clue what your talking about. And it's showing your immaturity and your know it all attitude. And now I think after going back and forth with you for how long know i'll throw in the towel until you can come back with something worth responding to. I can't stand people who have no clue what they are talking about but still run their yapper.
@cnwesner 1. Where did I twist your words? Correct me. 2. Duh, of course it's our opinions. Why are you pretending that I want to stop you from thinking, just cause I'm disagreeing with you? 3. Sorry, but insulting my intelligence or maturity or saying I'm "tiring" isn't really an argument. If you don't want to continue the conversation, just say so. There's no need to look for a way to make it seem like it's my fault, or that the only way I could possibly disagree with you is if I'm stupid.
On the topic: Glad to read the USA's really only executing murderers, that's already a lot better than other countries. (But as I mentioned, I think even killing murderers is wrong.) But then I remember even the Wikileaks founder was scared of being executed for merely spreading information? And some parents shake their baby too hard, not knowing this can kill them, and then boom, prosecutors cry for the death penalty. So yeah, you CAN get it for an accidental killing.
(Sorry it's long, but you wrote a long reply.) You stated the opinion that someone who killed has crossed a line where they MUST be killed, and I disagreed. None of us has presented evidence for this yet, so stop acting like my opinion could only stem from stupidity. Two wrongs don't make a right. You don't revive the victim by execution. And if killing changes you so much, what happens to the judges who have actively decided for people to die, or the executioners who carried it out the killing?
@Largo64 very nice. it would be better if you make video also about these method of execution(Death Penalty)........ Firing Squad, and the middle east`s Beheading.
@GsxRaider I might do a video on firing squad executions, although they are rare in the US. Only four states have ever used them, Idaho, Nevada, Utah and Oklahoma. Nevada executed only one person by firing squad, and that was in 1913. Oklahoma still has firing squad as a secondary means. Idaho banned the firing squad in 2009. Utah banned it in 2004, but not retroactively. The last execution by firing squad there was carried out on June 18, 2010 at the request of Ronnie Lee Gardner, its victim.
@Largo64 as far as i know sir,the firing squad method is still used as secondary choice of the convict in the US,am i right?and i would like to ask if the firing squad is still in use in the US or in other US state in these days?
@GsxRaider I answered this question for you in a post yesterday. Don't you read your responses? The state of Oklahoma still as the firing squad as an alternate method. Idaho and Utah both banned the firing squad by law, and although I couldn't find any ban, Nevada hasn't used a firing squad since 1913. Those are the only four US states that ever used the firing squad as a method of execution.
@GsxRaider I won't be doing a video on beheading, because my focus has been on the United States. I wish to see all executions banned in the US, as they have been in most other civilized countries. But even in its insistence on the death penalty, the US has never used beheading as a method of execution. That is apparently too grizzly for American sensibilities. I don't know which middle eastern states use beheading, but I know that the United Arab Emirates prefers the firing squad.
@Largo64 in saudi arabia,jeddah they use the beheading method,im just very curious about it,im thinking how brutal the arabs are,or it is all under their law,its very scary in this place,you know that their very strict.so i hate middle east,they are the most unhumane method of killing,my cousin told me that the beheading is held at the plaza with the people seeing at it,unlike in the other country like china,the execution is private.
@GsxRaider I don't know that Arabs, sans their religion, are any more brutal than anyone else. From biblical times the Hebrews practiced stoning, to my mind even more brutal than decapitation, and requiring the participation of the entire community in the most "hands on" way. As society progressed, if the methods didn't get more humane, at least executions were performed by professionals, whose identity was hidden from the masses. In every case, religion made the brutality possible.
@silintpengin Now you are just being a troll. I said I wanted no one killed by the state. That's not supporting anything except the right of every individual to live. Child rapists and murderers are locked up so they can't repeat their crimes. Make an argument, if you are capable. Another trolling remark like this from you and you will be blocked.
@silintpengin What matters is protecting the general population from criminals. Incarceration does that. Life in prison assures that a killer will not kill again. Sure, killing him would do that, too. But then the state becomes a killer. I don't want my state to take people's lives in my name.
In our time here on earth as a society we manage life and death vis a vis the living. Exs have many benefits and are not meant only to deter--and the purpose of the justices system is NOT only to rehab. Peace of mind is had for the victims. In wars millions are killed in the worst ways imaginable to achieve a percieved goal for those that will continue living thus the concept of death being used as a tool in certain cases is well founded throughout history.. Even collateral occurs in the chair.
@Emiller74 Four states, Alabama, Florida, South Carolina and Virginia have electrocution as an option. In Kentucky or Tennessee a person can be electrocuted if their crime took place before the use of the electric chair had been abolished in their state. Arkansas, Illinois and Oklahoma have it as an option if all other forms have been declared unconstitutional. Imagine the "option." "How do you want to be killed?" I guess I'd pick whatever promised to hurt least.
i hope that people that were executed on the Electric Chair were fried good. Look at it from this point of view; if ur wife was raped and killed, and so was your daughter by the same guy. what would u like to c? a few life sentences without the posibility of parrol? no! u wana c the bastard fry!
@Cassatucky Of course I would want to punish a person who killed a loved one. That was never the point. That would not be justice, but revenge. It's normal to feel that way. But our society should not be killing its citizens for any reason. Once they are in prison, society is protected. Killing them does not bring back their victims. Yet states execute people even if their victim's families have forgiven them. How is that a good thing?
@Largo64 because of the laws, thats great as a victims family will forgive them, but the laws wont forgive. i also feel that it is good to execute people to keep the taxes down. taxpayers pay thousands a year on 1 inmate to keep them in jail. y pay money to keep murders in prison?
@Cassatucky You are mistaken about taxes. The fact is that it costs much more to execute a prisoner than to keep him for life, because of the additional penalty phase in capital trials and the mandated appeals process if there is a sentence of death. That process is necessary so that innocent persons are not executed wrongly. Use Google and look up costs of executions. You will see it's much more than lifetime incarceration.
@Largo64 wow, u do know ur stuff lol i actually feel that we go to highly extreme measures to execute prisoners. i mean relly? electrocution? what about firing squad. its quick, easy, and inexpensive. how much does it cost for 2 bullets and 1 blank? plus if its its a direct hit, its an instintanious kill. plus, most prisoners want to be executed rather than spend life in prison. ik i would
@Largo64 You said, "That would not be justice, but revenge." to the comment below mine. I would be particularly interested on your analysis, that is, breaking it down to its components between justice and revenge without the entanglement or connection to one another. I know this is a small box for the explanation of your answer, however, I am interested in your answer.
@ThoughtGazeCarlos First I would define the terms. Justice is defined as the quality of being just; righteousness, equitableness, or moral rightness. Revenge is defined as the infliction of punishment in return for a wrong. States like to use the word justice when their action is revenge. I understand the desire for revenge on the part of a victim's family, IF you could be absolutely certain of the guilt of the person to be executed. But that's a huge IF. Too many innocents are on death row.
@Largo64 Thanks Largo. The point I was trying to get across to you was that revenge serves as part of a whole, that whole being justice. For instance, someone committing murder revenge takes part as retaliation (revenge is that harmful act) to send the man to prison and not necessarily killing him, too. Justice has been served since both sides of the scale have been somewhat balanced. Does this make sense?
@ThoughtGazeCarlos If you mean incarceration - permanent loss of freedom - balances the scale, then yes, it makes sense. I just don't think depriving a convict of life is a true balance, especially since recent freeing of death row inmates because DNA proved that they were actually not guilty makes execution rather OVERbalanced. Juries can be wrong. Executions make it impossible for those wrongs to be corrected.
@ThoughtGazeCarlos Thus far we have agreed on everything my dear Largo. However I'll be asking this in a more bluntly manner and that is, would you agree that any punishment--any, contains the element of revenge?
@electroexecutoid I don't actually think vendetta is a good idea. I used that as a hypothetical, because at least the family of a victim would have a real reason to want revenge. The problem with that would be the same as the problem with state execution, at least some of the time. Most murders are not witnessed on television, and an angry family, like an angry community, can jump to the wrong conclusion and kill the wrong man.
@electroexecutoid There was no doubt at all about Jack Ruby's guilt in killing Lee Harvey Oswald, either. Millions of Americans watched him do it on television. My problem with the DP is only partly about being sure. I just don't think that states should kill their own citizens. Incarceration keeps everyone else protected. No need to kill.
@FlyingfinnRC Someone else pointed that out somewhere in these comments. All I can say is that the person who took the picture identified it as Louisiana's.
@crash6531 And what is killing them going to do? It's not going to bring back your loved ones. And it's not going take away pain of losing a loved one.
Watching liberals feel sorry for condemned shitbags is touching. Granted, innocent people are executed and it's good that DNA is helping to repudiate guilt, but when the asshole is dead-to-rights guilty let 'em fry, I'll throw the switch. Allen Tiny Lee Davis got a bloody nose and may have died in pain - boo hoo, who gives a good god damn? Look at what he did to his victim! In a just universe only liberal democrats would be the victims of brutal violent crimes since they love 'em so damn much!
@slamtheleft I don't feel sorry for them. In fact, I think they deserve to rot in prison for life. I do, however feel sorry that our society hasn't become more civilized. I don't say that you are uncivilized, because not too long ago I would have said everything you just did. But I have changed my thinking on it. Even if guilt could be absolutely certain, I don't think the state should kill its citizens. As I have said, if you could be sure, I might go along with vendetta by the victim's family.
I understand where youre going with this, but your only showing "failed" attempts. How about show the succesfull electric chair killings? Show both sides man.
@campauchicken When you get right down to it, ALL the electric chair killings were successful. Some were just more foul than others. Do you think there is a good side to killing a man? I can't agree. Sometimes the death may be quick and relatively painless, but it's still a death. There is no evidence of a deterrent in capital punishment and much evidence that there is none.
@Largo64 I think that in certain circumstances killing a man is good. You have to look at it from both sides, if I had a loved one killed, i would want the person who did it to be executed. Theres also the argument of cruel and unusual punishment. Until its a federal law banning all executions, at least one state will continue to do it.
@campauchicken If someone killed a loved one of mine I would feel the same way. But that wouldn't make it right. At least call it what it is, revenge. As a country we should be above that.
@campauchicken My problem with the chair is that the botched executions were so awful that you never know how the chair is going to behave. The Davis execution was just an example of a 350 pound man who was too big for the chair and the hood smothered him. Unfortunate, but not exactly gruesome. The execution of Jesse Tafero is what turned me away from it. It stemmed from some idiot using a synthetic sponge instead of a natural sponge. They actually had to clear the witness room.
@campauchicken It isn't my idea. It's been suggested many times by many people. It isn't used because too many people think it removes the terror from the death penalty. As if being killed wouldn't be terrifying enough.
@Largo64 Yea, i dont know why i said it was your idea, ive heard of it before. Thinking of it this way though, again. If i had a loved one killed i certainly wouldnt want an easy death as harsh as that sounds.
@campauchicken I can't disagree with that. That's why, if guilt cold be absolutely certain (not just beyond a reasonable doubt - a much too low standard) I would say let the family of the victim do it. Vendetta actually makes some kind of sense, if in a primitive way. But for the state to kill a person who is incarcerated and virtually helpless seems unnecessary at best and wrong at worst.
@Largo64 Well, there isn't really any way to remove the terror from being put to death. There was an episode of "In the Heat of the Night" where Carol O'Connor's character said "the only way to put a man to death without torturing him is to tell him that he's forgiven and that you're going to let him go. Then, as soon as the smile shows on his face you shoot him in the back of the head." That's pretty much how I feel about it.
@campauchicken Well thanks, but I can't take credit for that one, I came across it when studying alternative methods of execution that would be more humane.
In the state of New Jersey where I got my experience there has never been an escape from a maximum security prison. I live in California now: We've never had an escape from our maximum security prisons. Inmates don't escape from such places very often. You wouldn't believe the nature of the security: high walls, razor wire, spotlights, well armed/trigger happy guards. Yes: capital punishment is state sactioned revenge and for many it's not very satisfying.
especially after having lost a family freind to a rapist who killed 2 other girls,her name was sophia,i dont know the murderers name,but i guess he kidnapped her off of her front porch or from her house and then brutally beat her near death,raped her,and strangled her to death,some time after her disappearance,one of my dads freinds found her decomposed corpes behind some building and after that police either chased the killer down or cornered him at a gas station where he blew his own brain out
allen lee davis was 350 lbs and from what ive read about his execution they used no less at any given time,10 amps,thats a LOT of power and it was deserved in my opinion if what ive read was right about him raping a pregnant woman and then beating her face unrecognizable with the .357 he used after the forementioned mauling and rape of the 8 year old girls mom that she had to watch,he put a .357 round in her back as she ran away from it all,it was a deserved botched execution in my opinion....
@kghsbassboy My objection to the death penalty has never been that the condemned don't deserve it, but that we, as a people, should not be killing people for any reason. I don't want to see executions carried out in my name (as one of "the people"). But it happens all the time.
I'm sorry your logic escapes me and doesn't make sense. The debate over the death penalty is easy: Your either for or against it. Sometimes one has no opinion. One can't oppose the death penalty in one breath and then say this or that person deserved it. The debate is about individual opinion. You said Davis deserved the electric chair because of the heinousness of his crime. Reread what you wrote. Then, below you claim not to want killings carried out in your name. What are you trying to say?
Deserves to die? Who made you God? Killing a criminal is NEVER justified. Criminal punishment is meant as justice not revenge. Killing criminal regardless of what they did is simply legal revenge. Naturally, death penalty supporters wouldn't call the death penalty revenge because that would likely make the it less popular. There's a reason why the rest of the civilized world has outlawed societal murder...to bad the US elects behave uncivilized.
@RogerHWerner no one made me God,i was stating my opinion is all, "it was a deserved botched execution in my OPINION" quoth the bassboy! i never said anything about myself being any sort of authourity bearing anyone or anything,you silly silly talk before you think about another persons OPINION type you. and thats fact judging based on your reply to my forementioned and fore posted comment and such (not that im judging you),and your veiws on self defense and use of force level pray tell?
@RogerHWerner use of force level meaning (a comparison to the ratio of aggression to the ratio of force you think youll need or whatever) its hard to explain really but your thoughts nonetheless? mine is from lowest to highest 1.avoidance 2.warning 3.oc deployment 4.taser 5.less lethal projectile if legal and if im in possesion of such a launcher 6.more tasering and less lethal projectiles 7. .22 to the kneecap 8.another .22 slug to the corresponding kneecap 9.22. to the center of mass 10....
@RogerHWerner 10.another and another until the threat is no longer a threat as it were so to speak i guess.... kill the threat? now keep in mind this could be an animal or a person or a monkey,it applys to all of them but thats generally what i tend to go with and thankfully avoidance and running has worked well thus far and ive never needed to do any further than that really
Deserves to die? Who made you God? Killing a criminal is NEVER justified. Criminal punishment is meant as justice not revenge. Killing criminal regardless of what they did is simply legal revenge. Naturally, death penalty supporters wouldn't call the death penalty revenge because that would likely make the it less popular. There's a reason why the rest of the civilized world has outlawed societal murder...to bad the US elects behave uncivilized.
whereby the defendant actually wants to be executed.... I believe in the case of Jihadists, life imprisonment is more effective because they regard the death penalty as martyrising them on a path to paradise; why give them what they want?
An abolished death penalty does not mean criminals get off the hook; a life sentence is arguably a tougher- and therefore more balanced punishment for the most serious crimes. I see two extremes; the brutalised US and the ultra-lenient Swedish model
Having worked in a maximum security prison and spent a month living in a cell as part of my training I can personally testify that living in a prison is far worse then dying. TV sets, radios, books, work, school, church, whatever...nothing rally makes prison easy.
of botched executions and last-minute exonerations shows that the methods are not secure and crucial evidence could be presented too late
e) Even pro-DP Governor Richardson of New Mexico had to admit the system is flawed; there is an effective precedent in the US for banning it. Case study New York- crime is much lower than 20 years ago without the threat of re-introducing the DP which to New York's credit has not been use since 1965
f) There are cases such as that of dedicated Islamists cont..
d) In cases of miscarriage of justice, which does occur, it is impossible to exonerate a dead person
e) The length of time an inmate is on death row is costly to the tax payer and causes emotional pain to the inmates family and friends; if they have not commited a crime why should they be punished as well?
f) Where is a line drawn in establishing who should die? If a long suffering wife stabs her abusive husband, she has killed- should she be executed?
The death penalty not only cheapens life but it makes it rather hypocritcal for society to demand that its citizens respect human life. Why should people respect life when the state has no respect for it? Because the state will kill you if you don't? That'sa hellofa justification. In fact, the death penalty has never worked as deterence, So why use it? I can only think that many Americans feel the need for revenge and so they exact it through the state. It's a poor roll model.
What I don't get is why in a country so obsessed by guns, the firing squad is not an option. In my line of thinking that is more humane and less likely to be botched than the elctric chair which I regard as primitive, brutal, strange and uncivilised.
Only two developed, democratic countries still use the death penalty; the US and Japan. In Britain, im proud to say we abolished it 43 years ago; the last execution was 45 years ago and the last public execution, 142 years ago.
@WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 Until fairly recently, I think, Utah was the only state that had a firing squad as an option. It's only a guess, but I think it may be that with other methods, the executioner can be more removed from the victim. In a firing squad, individuals have to aim a rifle at the heart of the victim and pull the trigger. I know that only one or two of the rifles in a squad are supposed to carry live rounds, but an expert rifleman knows when he's firing a blank (or so I've heard).
It doesn't take an expert to know. Fire a pelet gun at a target from 25 ft,,,you will see the hole in the target without moving. A steel-tipped 30-06 round makes a hole in a human body rather larger than a pellet.
While your information was good, I do think that people who protest against the death penalty should at all costs try to avoid sounding smug. Body language speaks very loudly. When it comes down to it in the end, I changed my position to one of against capital punishment simply because I believe being incarcerated for life with NO possibility of getting out (other than exoneration if you are innocent) is very fitting, especially if you are put on restrictive status which you should be.
You finally get it. Life without possibility of parole is far far FAR worse then execution. Prison life is bloody awful. I worked for almost a year in a maximum security prison so my views derive from first hand experience. Not that it really matters but lefe without parole is less expensive then execution by a substantial amount of money.
@electroexecutoid If you really hated them so much for murdering wouldn't you want them to suffer instead of getting the easy way out in death? Also, people who murder other inmates are put in lockdown. Sort of like a prison within a prison. Another thing, how many false convictions have there been made? If you gave them the death penalty, you would have killed an innocent person.
Lock down of 'Ad Seg'puts an inmate in what amounts to solitary confinement. They get to come out of their cell for an hour a day. Try to imagine what it would be like to spend 24 hours aday in a 15 x 8 ft cell with a bed (uncomfortable). Meals served on a steel tray with a spoon. In some prisons defecation is often in a bucket. Some 'luxury ' prisons have toilets in Ad Seg but not all.
@electroexecutoid You still didn't really answer my question on to why the state can kill a murderer, but a civilian can't do the same. Also, they rarely do escape. An exception to this is the notorious Ted Bundy, but he was later executed. Another thing, if we made escape 100% possible, why do we need to entomb them in concrete walls?
@electroexecutoid Killing is wrong no matter what you think. No life is worth more than another. No matter what they did. Everyone is different and there will never be another you, me, or anyone else. Their mannerism, thought process, skills, and personality all together can never be replicated. That's what makes life so unique and valuable. Your anger to kill for what this person did is no better than his reason.
I'm not saying to let the murderer get off free. Just put them in prison for the rest of their lives. No need to kill them. By your logic, if someone kills a family of mine, I should kill them back without consequences. Yet we're not allowed to. How hypocritical is that.
I'd like to think he is a bleeding heart.
daletiger35 6 days ago
So what's your point after 10mins here... Are you against capital punishment in general or just the nature in how some have been carried out, causing real pain and discomfort to murders and rapists? Hard to have sympathy for these evil people.
rico305305 1 month ago
DAMN NATURE YOU SCARY
SmashieXD 2 months ago
All the people who support capital punishment in these comments... You can tell the people who were put to death how much you hate them when you meet them in hell, because your comments will get you there... Stupid yanks!!
TheDoomace 2 months ago
The positive side of the electric chair had a delightful spin off called Crispy Critters . Probably invented by the guy that through the switch that roasted the ( so called ) victims . What about these victims victim's ? What inhuman tortures did they receive for absolutely no reason other then to please the murderous scum bag's that were roasted in the electric chair , never to kill again ? I say bring back the electric chair to roast baby killers like Casey Anthony and other dirt bag's .
1955woodsmin 2 months ago
It is removing these individuals from society where they can no longer hurt others. It is exactly what it sounds like- a punishment.
aaronnaku 2 months ago
Baaaaw.... What a shame vicious murderers had to suffer...
Uuxaul 3 months ago
Largo64 you're so handsome. And that beard makes you look even sexier <3
myaccountsdisabled 3 months ago
@largo64 electric chair probably one of the most inhumane forms of execution.
panchod100 3 months ago
What is the music used in this largo?
Dimentinalslingshot 3 months ago
That's not Louisiana's electric chair. By the looks of it, it looks like West Virginia's old electric chair or possibly Ohio's, as they had very similar designs. However, at a second glance, it's definitely West Virginia's as Ohio's old electric chair appears more aged and the headrest is slightly different as are the ankle restraints and the arm/shoulder clamps.
RorerQuaalude714 3 months ago
@RorerQuaalude714 I can only repeat what I wrote in comments earlier. The person who took the picture said it was Louisiana's chair. I can only assume that, when he took the picture, he was both in Louisiana and in the presence of the chair he photographed. I admit, it's possible, though unlikely, that his memory is as bad as mine.
Largo64 3 months ago
how about you talk about how the "victims" of the chair killed their victims. bet you hard money it was not clean it was not kind and it was not merciful.
SaintLiam78 4 months ago
@SaintLiam78 That was never the point. The point is that redressing one act of violence with another isn't rational. The purpose is supposed to be the protection of the people, not revenge on the criminal. As simply as I can put it, and this is by no means my idea: killing to show that killing is wrong . . . is WRONG.
Largo64 4 months ago
@Largo64 and having us as tax payers support the scum for the rest of their lives is ok? screw that.
SaintLiam78 4 months ago
@SaintLiam78 The state of California is presently considering dropping the death penalty because, believe it or not, it costs a great deal more to execute a person than to incarcerate him for life. Don't take my word for it, check it out yourself. Death penalties in every state cost MORE than warehousing bad guys. Of course, we COULD dispense with the efforts to be sure of guilt, and just summarily execute people, as they did in the wild west. But that's not going to happen.
Largo64 4 months ago
@Largo64 people on death row are not summarily executed and how do you figure it costs less to house clothe feed and look after someones healthcare for the rest of their life? if you want to buy that bleeding heart AP bullshit that's fine by me just don't try to tell me its wrong to kill a murderer.
SaintLiam78 4 months ago
@SaintLiam78 Nobody said people WERE summarily executed. I said that's what you would have to do to make execution cheaper than incarceration. You really didn't check into it or you would know that execution really does cost more. Seems counterintuitive, I know, but it's a fact. You just blew off what I said without looking because you don't want to be proven wrong. Have it your own way.
Largo64 4 months ago
@Largo64 I looked it up a few years ago for a research paper on the subject and it seems all the bleeding heart left wing sites were saying its cheaper to just let them live, I still call bullshit on that and you can say what you will about me i have fact to back up my case and thats all that matters so i will say again, fry the scumbags.
SaintLiam78 4 months ago
@SaintLiam78 Your research paper a few years ago doesn't cut the mustard. Go to any California newspaper site, like the Los Angeles Times or the San Jose Mercury News and you will find articles on the effort in California to drop the death penalty because of the serious financial crisis here and the fact that it is too expensive. They will cite the costs, and compare them. I looked it up before and don't intend to do your homework for you. Or you can continue to deny. All the same to me.
Largo64 4 months ago
What largo64 says is all true including the horror stories
lnn6785 4 months ago
Kill them all they need to bring back hanging. I bet them so called victims didn't show any remorse for there victims. Eye for an eye.....
MyScotty77 4 months ago
I think no one has the right to play god. But when that doesn't apply to the criminal??? Why r you sooo concerned for the well being of a person on death row. Kill em and b done with it. That's why it's called death row. If you want to abolish the death penalty then u need to appeal to the criminals to stop killing
trinitytree1 4 months ago
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Largo64 4 months ago
@trinitytree1 You're using the kindergarden argument. If you reprimand a toddler for doing something wrong, he/she immediately replies something like "but Jason also pissed in the kitchen". If you think something's wrong when some one else does it (criminals murdering in cold blood), don't do the same fucking thing, ottherwise you could always justify everything. "Why should we have human rights when they didn't have it in Nazi Germany", etc.
flubertify 4 months ago
I think the people who commit violent crimes should be punished in the same manner of their victims. Prison was meant for theives not gangs and killers. That's what the death penalty is for. So you can take your advice and stick it where the son don't shine. You probably have family or a friend who is on death row.
trinitytree1 4 months ago
@trinitytree1 Even if you could always be sure of guilt I would disapprove of killing incarcerated people. But there have been many cases of people already on death row who were proven NOT guilty. Most times they were released before they were killed by the state. MOST times. But it should not be possible to execute an innocent person. The only way that could be is if there were no executions. By the way, I don't know anyone on death row. My objection is on principle. States shouldn't kill.
Largo64 4 months ago
An eye for an eye fatty.
trinitytree1 4 months ago
@trinitytree1 What amazing perception! I'll bet everyone else, looking at me, would say I was skinny. "An eye for an eye" is a quote, not an argument.
Largo64 4 months ago
NOT ONE BIT troy had many chances to prove is so called innocence AND he couldnt he should have died long ago. what pisses me off more then any thing is antis never try to stop a ting untell THE RACE CARD is put in to play. to hell with DAVIS may he rot in hell. they should be executed the day the supreme court up holds there sentence. I have Personalty seen 2 people in Texas die for crimes agents my family. they got off Painless You want the DP gone then then they never leave there cell.
ltoperater 5 months ago
lo cruel your funny. i say kill all convicts....
ltoperater 5 months ago
@ltoperater So you believe that all convicts are guilty? Or doesn't it bother you that innocent people are sometimes executed. A good case in point is the execution this week of Troy Anthony Davis in Georgia. Evidence of recanted testimony and police misconduct in the investigation was not considered because of procedural issues. A man's life was less valuable to the system than procedure.
Largo64 5 months ago
These stories were gruesome, capital punishment is incredibly flawed, many innocents have died needlessly, yes some monsters like Bundy and Gacy were 100% guilty but I would be more satisfied to see them to this day rotting in jail rather than giving them the easy way out. Just my opinion. Life in jail with no chance of parole is a more fitting punishment.
Crimsonjett 6 months ago
@Crimsonjett I agree that sometimes we can be absolutely sure about guilt. And I also agree that lifetime incarceration is a better "punishment" than death.
Largo64 6 months ago
Electric chairs should be reserved for politicians.
cheapcape 6 months ago
Folks this is a place where we can try to discuss the issue without insulting and demeaning each other. If we keep open minds about it we can come to a conclusion that would satisfy both sides. In short, any insulting remarks made will be read, deleted, and ultimately ignored save a short laugh. I can see both sides of this issue, let's see if anyone else can.
Madams1977 8 months ago
@Madams1977 You're right. I've been on both sides of the issue myself. Not long ago I argued FOR capital punishment. But I have come to believe that the state's killing people to demonstrate that killing people is wrong simply makes no sense. I can't vilify someone who sincerely believes in the death penalty. I don't think such people are evil, only that they are wrong. If one could prove that the death penalty deterred others I might agree. But it hasn't been proved, because it just isn't true.
Largo64 8 months ago
@Largo64 I agree. My reason for being against the death penalty has little to do with method, and almost everything to do with our judicial system. In short: until the government can prove someone is one hundred percent guilty with no doubt they should not be executing people. Also I believe that if we do choose to keep using capital punishment, then at the least we are socially obligated to make the death of the condemned as humane as possible so that we do not sink to their level.
Madams1977 8 months ago
I'm stating my updated opinion on the Allen Lee Davis electrocution. I've concluded that the "unintelligible roars" heard from him were probably pleas for them not to do it. The nosebleed was probably from stress and high blood pressure (which Davis had after blowing up to over 300 pounds while awaiting execution). I still hold that the electric chair is brutal and should be outlawed outright, but that's my opinion on what happened to Davis.
Madams1977 8 months ago
@Madams1977 Who cares ? He kill 4 people you dumb asshole !
1.Nancy Weiler ( she was pregant ) -
2.her unborn child and two daughters :
3.Kristine ( 9 years old )
4.Katherine ( 5 years old )
dorka285 8 months ago
@dorka285 Unga bunga, he kill fo' peeple... people who base the use of capital punishment solely on vengeance are too small minded to discuss the issue with any level of intelligence. Stay out of it.
Madams1977 8 months ago
@Madams1977 shut your mouth dumb ass.You care more about that motherfucker than those innocent people - children you stupid pig ! He kill innocent children !
dorka285 8 months ago
@dorka285 Whatever Tonto... you're the type who doesn't read comments in their entirety so any discussion is beyond your ability. Just keep ranting and misspelling things. For you to assume that from my comment is humorous. I stated only the facts of what I believed actually happened during Tiny Davis' execution, I never said he wasn't a fat piece of garbage that didn't deserve it. When you get back from remedial English, try commenting again. Good luck.
Madams1977 8 months ago
@Madams1977 And for the record, this is my updated opinion on what actually transpired during the Davis execution. There are far worse instances (Jesse Tafero for instance) to use as examples against the use of the electric chair rather than a guy who grew to the size of a baby whale while awaiting execution and in doing so his resistance to current went up. I've been zapped before and it made my nose bleed a little so that's no wonder either.
Madams1977 8 months ago
any one know who it was who took 3 hours or somethings worth of shocks to kill him
DESERTRANGER7 9 months ago
@DESERTRANGER7 If you mean the first one, the reason why electricity kills and exactly how it does were not well understood at the time. The chair was invented by a man who saw someone killed more or less instantly by touching a live electrical generator. It was thought that high voltage alone would kill quickly. Now we know that amperage (flow) is the primary cause. That's why tasers that generate 50,000 volts at extremely low amperage can knock a person down without (usually) killing him.
Largo64 9 months ago
@Largo64 ok thanx man
DESERTRANGER7 9 months ago
@Largo64 thanks what did wiliam kemler do to get the death penalty
DESERTRANGER7 9 months ago
@DESERTRANGER7 Chopped his wife to death with an axe.
electroexecutoide 9 months ago
@electroexecutoide thanks
DESERTRANGER7 9 months ago
I live in indiana!!!!!!!!!!!!
ZipherrMagikZ 9 months ago
@ZipherrMagikZ Then your chair was called "Old Betsy". Fearsome-looking when it was still in use. Pretty dull now.
electroexecutoide 9 months ago
You know, all this could be avoided with one quick shot. Not that I'd want to be the one on either side of that situation. I wouldn't, but that's still a lot better than suffering.
ashleyeberry91 9 months ago
@ashleyeberry91 I've been thinking the same thing about the guillotine, to be honest. I'm totally against the death penalty, but I can't help but notice that having the head cut off like that is bound to be less painful. (At least I never heard of botched guillotine executions.)
Mithcoriel 9 months ago
Why does this guys head come to a point?
Baldgol4 10 months ago
@Baldgol4 Obviously because I'm sharp! ;^)
Do you have a comment about the death penalty (for or against - either way)? I don't think my appearance is relevant to this discussion.
Largo64 10 months ago
@silintpengin If you have a strong opinion, which apparently you have, there is no danger of my changing your mind. I just speak my own mind on my channel, and you can either accept it or not. I do hope to help change enough minds that the death penalty will someday soon be abolished everywhere. That has already happened in most of the civilized world. Americans are a little slow to give up the ultimate sanction. I think THAT is sad.
Largo64 10 months ago
electric chair is always painfullllll
mrlex2698 10 months ago
@mrlex2698 I'm sure of that. When I was a kid I stuck my finger into an empty light socket when the circuit was on. It didn't knock me out, but it hurt like hell. And that was less than a second of exposure. That's 120 volts, about 60 amps, if I remember household current correctly. It's enough to kill, if you are unlucky enough to be frozen to the spot. A car battery has a pretty good bite, too. It's only 12 volts, but it feels like someone hitting your finger with a hammer.
Largo64 10 months ago
@Largo64 60 Amps is around ten times more than that drawn from the electric chair. I think that you're confusing current with frequency. You domestic power supply delivers a potential difference of 120V with an AC frequency of 60Hz. The current will depend on the resistance, but will be only a fraction of an Amp unless a deliberate short circuit is created.
electroexecutoide 9 months ago
I do not feel sorry for someone if he deserves the electric chair. On the other hand, he might be innocent(mostly not, but some cases...) So I am in debate about the usage of the death penalty. I am for one for live sentence, if the person is really is innocent, he has all the time to prove it, because he is in jail all the time and you know... Hes not dead. If he is not innocent, well, he will stay there forever... Thats my theory and opinion.
magictouch115 11 months ago
Oh yeah they have now been victimized....I feel SOOO sorry for them. If they are victims then we can call everyone a victim in one way or another....What a self pity trip that would be. Kleenex would sell outta tissues. They should have thought about all the victimizing shit before they murdered anyone huh. I don't feel bad for them at all.
cnwesner 11 months ago
@cnwesner Yeeeah, and in the middle ages, when people got tortured for crimes, they shoulda thought about that before they insulted the king, right? And in certain fundamentalist muslim countries where you cut off people's hands for stealing, they deserve no pity right?
Mithcoriel 9 months ago
@Mithcoriel Comparing a killer of humans and stealers of fruit sounds pretty stupid. Also last I checked they didn't have anyone on death row for insulting anyone. In recent times for the exception of 1995 no one was given the death penalty for anything other then murder. I'm not talking about back in the day ... We no longer live back then and if you want to compare apples to oranges then you must still be a cro-magnon.
cnwesner 9 months ago
@cnwesner Duh, of course we're better now than we were in the middle-ages. The point is to show that it's still barbarian, albeit less barbarian than before. People would have argued for torture the same way you are arguing for the death penalty now, and to me both just looks barbarian and cruel.
Mithcoriel 9 months ago
@Mithcoriel Honestly I understand what your saying ... However if you weigh the choices in situations like these. Death for this type of persons would only wage in the favor of the "normal" functioning members of society. I would hate to think that because someone thinks they have rehabilitated a murderer that they may re-enter the public only to do the same thing again ... Murder is not an illness as they make it sound ... Once they have killed that is it. I wish it were different but, it's not
cnwesner 9 months ago
@cnwesner Well if the death penalty got abolished, those sentences would be replaced with life sentences. It's not like former death row inmates would suddenly be released. Even with the death penalty in place, a jury is capable of wrongfully thinking a convict is fit for release.
And I'm sceptical of the claim "once they have killed that it is". That may be the case for some individuals, but certainly not all.
Mithcoriel 9 months ago
@Mithcoriel Ok then lets just let killers roam free or get out when they are "better" and we can all pretend like nothing happened and play with fuzzy little bunnies! ... I don't want anyone I know to be preyed upon by a killer ... And sweety the only reason they stop killing when they get locked up is because we ended their game, Otherwise they would not have stopped whatever it was they were doing.
cnwesner 9 months ago
So why is it that we should pay for them to live out lives in a proson cell when clearly they are not fit for human life to begin with. Why take the chance that they will once again victimize society and even possibly to kill another innocent human being?... I would rather have them never be a threat again. Think of a 5 year old child that is killed by a man just because they have some freak shit going on in their heads and they only want to diddle with little kids .. kid dies ..
cnwesner 9 months ago
and the man gets to live out a better life then most third world childrenin the world just because people like you want to "save" these assholes..No thanks put them down like the dogs they are and save our children and our families. And eye for an eye barely scratches the surface when it comes to things of this nature...A needle poke pales in comparison to the violent death the real victims suffered. It only ensures that this said douchebag will never reoffend again.
cnwesner 9 months ago
@cnwesner What you're basically saying is: Better kill the person, so we never see him improve in prison, and never decide he's fit for release where potentially we got it wrong. Is that the whole argument? Kill them so we never have to make the choice? What about those who really do get released and lead a good life afterwards?
And why always argue from the victim view? Do you want anyone you know to be the victim of a miscarriage of justice?
Mithcoriel 9 months ago
@Mithcoriel I'm saying once anyone has crossed the line of taking anothers life they should executed period. People don't end up on death row for stupid things and this day and age it is thank god with DNA it's becoming harder for injustice when it comes to killing the accused and not the true guilty and yes that is the greatest injustice ever but, i'm not willing to lose another child (specifically) because of some crap about rehabilitaion. It does not work. I hope your never victimized. Really
cnwesner 9 months ago
@cnwesner Fact is, 1. we can't ever be sure we're not killing innocents, 2. People don't only get executed for murder.
And I think it's flat-out wrong to say people don't get another chance after killing someone. Some people do it in the heat of the moment when they get into a fight, an regret it immediately afterward. You're willing to sacrifice countless strangers so your world stays comfy. And you sound like you'd be ready to kill someone who killed your child. Should we kill you afterwards?
Mithcoriel 9 months ago
@Mithcoriel First of all my words are to be taken exactly as I am saying them ... Stop twisting everything I say ... Second of all ... This is my opinion and as an American I can have what ever opinion I would like to have .... Third of all Your tiring ... Seriously I can't imagine how you were as a child because as a 24 y/o adult you sure have a lot of BLAH BLAH BLAH going on. AND WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT A SELF DEFENSE CASES OR CRIMES OF PASSION...Do you even know what the death penalty is?
cnwesner 9 months ago
@Mithcoriel If you do not then you need to research. I have the feeling you just think were over here killing people in prison left and right...That's how you make it sound ... Which is not only nieve but, honestly stupid. Please tell me Mithcoriel of ONE case of an inmate being executed on deathrow for self defense or accidently killing someone in a fight ... that would be manslaughter ... Which lacks intent. ... Not premeditated murder .. And im not talking the ice ages here young skywalker.
cnwesner 9 months ago
@Mithcoriel You have no clue what your talking about. And it's showing your immaturity and your know it all attitude. And now I think after going back and forth with you for how long know i'll throw in the towel until you can come back with something worth responding to. I can't stand people who have no clue what they are talking about but still run their yapper.
cnwesner 9 months ago
@cnwesner 1. Where did I twist your words? Correct me. 2. Duh, of course it's our opinions. Why are you pretending that I want to stop you from thinking, just cause I'm disagreeing with you? 3. Sorry, but insulting my intelligence or maturity or saying I'm "tiring" isn't really an argument. If you don't want to continue the conversation, just say so. There's no need to look for a way to make it seem like it's my fault, or that the only way I could possibly disagree with you is if I'm stupid.
Mithcoriel 9 months ago
On the topic: Glad to read the USA's really only executing murderers, that's already a lot better than other countries. (But as I mentioned, I think even killing murderers is wrong.) But then I remember even the Wikileaks founder was scared of being executed for merely spreading information? And some parents shake their baby too hard, not knowing this can kill them, and then boom, prosecutors cry for the death penalty. So yeah, you CAN get it for an accidental killing.
Mithcoriel 9 months ago
(Sorry it's long, but you wrote a long reply.) You stated the opinion that someone who killed has crossed a line where they MUST be killed, and I disagreed. None of us has presented evidence for this yet, so stop acting like my opinion could only stem from stupidity. Two wrongs don't make a right. You don't revive the victim by execution. And if killing changes you so much, what happens to the judges who have actively decided for people to die, or the executioners who carried it out the killing?
Mithcoriel 9 months ago
How horrid how you would dare to call these scumbags "victims" your a freak dude!
cnwesner 11 months ago
@cnwesner I think what he is describing is more "horrid" than anything. Calling them victims, well they are a victim of something, are they not?
Sozlled 11 months ago
@Largo64 hey hey hey hey sir?why do you know everything about death penalty?are you law enforcer?a government employee or what?
GsxRaider 11 months ago
@GsxRaider I researched the subject, so that when I presented my objection to the death penalty it would not be out of ignorance.
Largo64 11 months ago
@Largo64 thank you.
GsxRaider 11 months ago
@Largo64 very nice. it would be better if you make video also about these method of execution(Death Penalty)........ Firing Squad, and the middle east`s Beheading.
GsxRaider 11 months ago
@GsxRaider I might do a video on firing squad executions, although they are rare in the US. Only four states have ever used them, Idaho, Nevada, Utah and Oklahoma. Nevada executed only one person by firing squad, and that was in 1913. Oklahoma still has firing squad as a secondary means. Idaho banned the firing squad in 2009. Utah banned it in 2004, but not retroactively. The last execution by firing squad there was carried out on June 18, 2010 at the request of Ronnie Lee Gardner, its victim.
Largo64 11 months ago
@Largo64 as far as i know sir,the firing squad method is still used as secondary choice of the convict in the US,am i right?and i would like to ask if the firing squad is still in use in the US or in other US state in these days?
GsxRaider 11 months ago
@GsxRaider I answered this question for you in a post yesterday. Don't you read your responses? The state of Oklahoma still as the firing squad as an alternate method. Idaho and Utah both banned the firing squad by law, and although I couldn't find any ban, Nevada hasn't used a firing squad since 1913. Those are the only four US states that ever used the firing squad as a method of execution.
Largo64 11 months ago
@GsxRaider I won't be doing a video on beheading, because my focus has been on the United States. I wish to see all executions banned in the US, as they have been in most other civilized countries. But even in its insistence on the death penalty, the US has never used beheading as a method of execution. That is apparently too grizzly for American sensibilities. I don't know which middle eastern states use beheading, but I know that the United Arab Emirates prefers the firing squad.
Largo64 11 months ago
@Largo64 in saudi arabia,jeddah they use the beheading method,im just very curious about it,im thinking how brutal the arabs are,or it is all under their law,its very scary in this place,you know that their very strict.so i hate middle east,they are the most unhumane method of killing,my cousin told me that the beheading is held at the plaza with the people seeing at it,unlike in the other country like china,the execution is private.
GsxRaider 11 months ago
@GsxRaider I don't know that Arabs, sans their religion, are any more brutal than anyone else. From biblical times the Hebrews practiced stoning, to my mind even more brutal than decapitation, and requiring the participation of the entire community in the most "hands on" way. As society progressed, if the methods didn't get more humane, at least executions were performed by professionals, whose identity was hidden from the masses. In every case, religion made the brutality possible.
Largo64 11 months ago
@Largo64 thanks.
GsxRaider 11 months ago
@silintpengin Now you are just being a troll. I said I wanted no one killed by the state. That's not supporting anything except the right of every individual to live. Child rapists and murderers are locked up so they can't repeat their crimes. Make an argument, if you are capable. Another trolling remark like this from you and you will be blocked.
Largo64 11 months ago
@silintpengin What matters is protecting the general population from criminals. Incarceration does that. Life in prison assures that a killer will not kill again. Sure, killing him would do that, too. But then the state becomes a killer. I don't want my state to take people's lives in my name.
Largo64 11 months ago
In our time here on earth as a society we manage life and death vis a vis the living. Exs have many benefits and are not meant only to deter--and the purpose of the justices system is NOT only to rehab. Peace of mind is had for the victims. In wars millions are killed in the worst ways imaginable to achieve a percieved goal for those that will continue living thus the concept of death being used as a tool in certain cases is well founded throughout history.. Even collateral occurs in the chair.
phantomvibrationsX 11 months ago
What's pa's exections?
rseagles14 1 year ago
It really doesn't matter which method you use. It's not like it's life or death. Tsk!
llllTERMINATORllll 1 year ago
I was wondering do they still use the electric chair
Emiller74 1 year ago
@Emiller74 Four states, Alabama, Florida, South Carolina and Virginia have electrocution as an option. In Kentucky or Tennessee a person can be electrocuted if their crime took place before the use of the electric chair had been abolished in their state. Arkansas, Illinois and Oklahoma have it as an option if all other forms have been declared unconstitutional. Imagine the "option." "How do you want to be killed?" I guess I'd pick whatever promised to hurt least.
Largo64 1 year ago
i hope that people that were executed on the Electric Chair were fried good. Look at it from this point of view; if ur wife was raped and killed, and so was your daughter by the same guy. what would u like to c? a few life sentences without the posibility of parrol? no! u wana c the bastard fry!
Cassatucky 1 year ago
@Cassatucky Of course I would want to punish a person who killed a loved one. That was never the point. That would not be justice, but revenge. It's normal to feel that way. But our society should not be killing its citizens for any reason. Once they are in prison, society is protected. Killing them does not bring back their victims. Yet states execute people even if their victim's families have forgiven them. How is that a good thing?
Largo64 1 year ago
@Largo64 because of the laws, thats great as a victims family will forgive them, but the laws wont forgive. i also feel that it is good to execute people to keep the taxes down. taxpayers pay thousands a year on 1 inmate to keep them in jail. y pay money to keep murders in prison?
Cassatucky 1 year ago
@Cassatucky You are mistaken about taxes. The fact is that it costs much more to execute a prisoner than to keep him for life, because of the additional penalty phase in capital trials and the mandated appeals process if there is a sentence of death. That process is necessary so that innocent persons are not executed wrongly. Use Google and look up costs of executions. You will see it's much more than lifetime incarceration.
Largo64 1 year ago
@Largo64 wow, u do know ur stuff lol i actually feel that we go to highly extreme measures to execute prisoners. i mean relly? electrocution? what about firing squad. its quick, easy, and inexpensive. how much does it cost for 2 bullets and 1 blank? plus if its its a direct hit, its an instintanious kill. plus, most prisoners want to be executed rather than spend life in prison. ik i would
Cassatucky 1 year ago
@Largo64 You said, "That would not be justice, but revenge." to the comment below mine. I would be particularly interested on your analysis, that is, breaking it down to its components between justice and revenge without the entanglement or connection to one another. I know this is a small box for the explanation of your answer, however, I am interested in your answer.
ThoughtGazeCarlos 1 year ago
@ThoughtGazeCarlos First I would define the terms. Justice is defined as the quality of being just; righteousness, equitableness, or moral rightness. Revenge is defined as the infliction of punishment in return for a wrong. States like to use the word justice when their action is revenge. I understand the desire for revenge on the part of a victim's family, IF you could be absolutely certain of the guilt of the person to be executed. But that's a huge IF. Too many innocents are on death row.
Largo64 1 year ago
@Largo64 Thanks Largo. The point I was trying to get across to you was that revenge serves as part of a whole, that whole being justice. For instance, someone committing murder revenge takes part as retaliation (revenge is that harmful act) to send the man to prison and not necessarily killing him, too. Justice has been served since both sides of the scale have been somewhat balanced. Does this make sense?
ThoughtGazeCarlos 1 year ago
@ThoughtGazeCarlos If you mean incarceration - permanent loss of freedom - balances the scale, then yes, it makes sense. I just don't think depriving a convict of life is a true balance, especially since recent freeing of death row inmates because DNA proved that they were actually not guilty makes execution rather OVERbalanced. Juries can be wrong. Executions make it impossible for those wrongs to be corrected.
Largo64 1 year ago
@ThoughtGazeCarlos Thus far we have agreed on everything my dear Largo. However I'll be asking this in a more bluntly manner and that is, would you agree that any punishment--any, contains the element of revenge?
ThoughtGazeCarlos 1 year ago
@electroexecutoid I don't actually think vendetta is a good idea. I used that as a hypothetical, because at least the family of a victim would have a real reason to want revenge. The problem with that would be the same as the problem with state execution, at least some of the time. Most murders are not witnessed on television, and an angry family, like an angry community, can jump to the wrong conclusion and kill the wrong man.
Largo64 1 year ago
@electroexecutoid There was no doubt at all about Jack Ruby's guilt in killing Lee Harvey Oswald, either. Millions of Americans watched him do it on television. My problem with the DP is only partly about being sure. I just don't think that states should kill their own citizens. Incarceration keeps everyone else protected. No need to kill.
Largo64 1 year ago
Louisiana had Gruesome Gertie. The electric chair at the beginning of your video is not of Lousiana's Gruesome Gertie.
FlyingfinnRC 1 year ago
@FlyingfinnRC Someone else pointed that out somewhere in these comments. All I can say is that the person who took the picture identified it as Louisiana's.
Largo64 1 year ago
@crash6531 And what is killing them going to do? It's not going to bring back your loved ones. And it's not going take away pain of losing a loved one.
sanauj15 1 year ago
Thank goodness that the Death Penalty has been revoked in Australia.
mozpiano2 1 year ago
Watching liberals feel sorry for condemned shitbags is touching. Granted, innocent people are executed and it's good that DNA is helping to repudiate guilt, but when the asshole is dead-to-rights guilty let 'em fry, I'll throw the switch. Allen Tiny Lee Davis got a bloody nose and may have died in pain - boo hoo, who gives a good god damn? Look at what he did to his victim! In a just universe only liberal democrats would be the victims of brutal violent crimes since they love 'em so damn much!
slamtheleft 1 year ago
@slamtheleft I don't feel sorry for them. In fact, I think they deserve to rot in prison for life. I do, however feel sorry that our society hasn't become more civilized. I don't say that you are uncivilized, because not too long ago I would have said everything you just did. But I have changed my thinking on it. Even if guilt could be absolutely certain, I don't think the state should kill its citizens. As I have said, if you could be sure, I might go along with vendetta by the victim's family.
Largo64 1 year ago
@slamtheleft All goody Goodies like this should get the Chair!
Gillyyorkie 1 year ago
I understand where youre going with this, but your only showing "failed" attempts. How about show the succesfull electric chair killings? Show both sides man.
campauchicken 1 year ago
@campauchicken When you get right down to it, ALL the electric chair killings were successful. Some were just more foul than others. Do you think there is a good side to killing a man? I can't agree. Sometimes the death may be quick and relatively painless, but it's still a death. There is no evidence of a deterrent in capital punishment and much evidence that there is none.
Largo64 1 year ago
@Largo64 I think that in certain circumstances killing a man is good. You have to look at it from both sides, if I had a loved one killed, i would want the person who did it to be executed. Theres also the argument of cruel and unusual punishment. Until its a federal law banning all executions, at least one state will continue to do it.
campauchicken 1 year ago
@campauchicken If someone killed a loved one of mine I would feel the same way. But that wouldn't make it right. At least call it what it is, revenge. As a country we should be above that.
Largo64 1 year ago
@campauchicken My problem with the chair is that the botched executions were so awful that you never know how the chair is going to behave. The Davis execution was just an example of a 350 pound man who was too big for the chair and the hood smothered him. Unfortunate, but not exactly gruesome. The execution of Jesse Tafero is what turned me away from it. It stemmed from some idiot using a synthetic sponge instead of a natural sponge. They actually had to clear the witness room.
Madams1977 1 year ago
@Madams1977 I see where youre coming from. I personally like your idea for nitrogen asfixiation. I think its quite brilliant.
campauchicken 1 year ago
@campauchicken It isn't my idea. It's been suggested many times by many people. It isn't used because too many people think it removes the terror from the death penalty. As if being killed wouldn't be terrifying enough.
Largo64 1 year ago
@Largo64 Yea, i dont know why i said it was your idea, ive heard of it before. Thinking of it this way though, again. If i had a loved one killed i certainly wouldnt want an easy death as harsh as that sounds.
campauchicken 1 year ago
@campauchicken I can't disagree with that. That's why, if guilt cold be absolutely certain (not just beyond a reasonable doubt - a much too low standard) I would say let the family of the victim do it. Vendetta actually makes some kind of sense, if in a primitive way. But for the state to kill a person who is incarcerated and virtually helpless seems unnecessary at best and wrong at worst.
Largo64 1 year ago
@Largo64 Well, there isn't really any way to remove the terror from being put to death. There was an episode of "In the Heat of the Night" where Carol O'Connor's character said "the only way to put a man to death without torturing him is to tell him that he's forgiven and that you're going to let him go. Then, as soon as the smile shows on his face you shoot him in the back of the head." That's pretty much how I feel about it.
Madams1977 1 year ago
@campauchicken Well thanks, but I can't take credit for that one, I came across it when studying alternative methods of execution that would be more humane.
Madams1977 1 year ago
In the state of New Jersey where I got my experience there has never been an escape from a maximum security prison. I live in California now: We've never had an escape from our maximum security prisons. Inmates don't escape from such places very often. You wouldn't believe the nature of the security: high walls, razor wire, spotlights, well armed/trigger happy guards. Yes: capital punishment is state sactioned revenge and for many it's not very satisfying.
RogerHWerner 1 year ago
i know they cornered him at a gas station but still,he wouldve more than likely been executed anyway
kghsbassboy 1 year ago
especially after having lost a family freind to a rapist who killed 2 other girls,her name was sophia,i dont know the murderers name,but i guess he kidnapped her off of her front porch or from her house and then brutally beat her near death,raped her,and strangled her to death,some time after her disappearance,one of my dads freinds found her decomposed corpes behind some building and after that police either chased the killer down or cornered him at a gas station where he blew his own brain out
kghsbassboy 1 year ago
allen lee davis was 350 lbs and from what ive read about his execution they used no less at any given time,10 amps,thats a LOT of power and it was deserved in my opinion if what ive read was right about him raping a pregnant woman and then beating her face unrecognizable with the .357 he used after the forementioned mauling and rape of the 8 year old girls mom that she had to watch,he put a .357 round in her back as she ran away from it all,it was a deserved botched execution in my opinion....
kghsbassboy 1 year ago
@kghsbassboy My objection to the death penalty has never been that the condemned don't deserve it, but that we, as a people, should not be killing people for any reason. I don't want to see executions carried out in my name (as one of "the people"). But it happens all the time.
Largo64 1 year ago
I'm sorry your logic escapes me and doesn't make sense. The debate over the death penalty is easy: Your either for or against it. Sometimes one has no opinion. One can't oppose the death penalty in one breath and then say this or that person deserved it. The debate is about individual opinion. You said Davis deserved the electric chair because of the heinousness of his crime. Reread what you wrote. Then, below you claim not to want killings carried out in your name. What are you trying to say?
RogerHWerner 1 year ago
Deserves to die? Who made you God? Killing a criminal is NEVER justified. Criminal punishment is meant as justice not revenge. Killing criminal regardless of what they did is simply legal revenge. Naturally, death penalty supporters wouldn't call the death penalty revenge because that would likely make the it less popular. There's a reason why the rest of the civilized world has outlawed societal murder...to bad the US elects behave uncivilized.
RogerHWerner 1 year ago
@RogerHWerner no one made me God,i was stating my opinion is all, "it was a deserved botched execution in my OPINION" quoth the bassboy! i never said anything about myself being any sort of authourity bearing anyone or anything,you silly silly talk before you think about another persons OPINION type you. and thats fact judging based on your reply to my forementioned and fore posted comment and such (not that im judging you),and your veiws on self defense and use of force level pray tell?
kghsbassboy 1 year ago
kghsbassboy 1 year ago
@RogerHWerner 10.another and another until the threat is no longer a threat as it were so to speak i guess.... kill the threat? now keep in mind this could be an animal or a person or a monkey,it applys to all of them but thats generally what i tend to go with and thankfully avoidance and running has worked well thus far and ive never needed to do any further than that really
kghsbassboy 1 year ago
Deserves to die? Who made you God? Killing a criminal is NEVER justified. Criminal punishment is meant as justice not revenge. Killing criminal regardless of what they did is simply legal revenge. Naturally, death penalty supporters wouldn't call the death penalty revenge because that would likely make the it less popular. There's a reason why the rest of the civilized world has outlawed societal murder...to bad the US elects behave uncivilized.
RogerHWerner 1 year ago
whereby the defendant actually wants to be executed.... I believe in the case of Jihadists, life imprisonment is more effective because they regard the death penalty as martyrising them on a path to paradise; why give them what they want?
An abolished death penalty does not mean criminals get off the hook; a life sentence is arguably a tougher- and therefore more balanced punishment for the most serious crimes. I see two extremes; the brutalised US and the ultra-lenient Swedish model
WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 1 year ago
Having worked in a maximum security prison and spent a month living in a cell as part of my training I can personally testify that living in a prison is far worse then dying. TV sets, radios, books, work, school, church, whatever...nothing rally makes prison easy.
RogerHWerner 1 year ago
of botched executions and last-minute exonerations shows that the methods are not secure and crucial evidence could be presented too late
e) Even pro-DP Governor Richardson of New Mexico had to admit the system is flawed; there is an effective precedent in the US for banning it. Case study New York- crime is much lower than 20 years ago without the threat of re-introducing the DP which to New York's credit has not been use since 1965
f) There are cases such as that of dedicated Islamists cont..
WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 1 year ago
... thanb those without
d) In cases of miscarriage of justice, which does occur, it is impossible to exonerate a dead person
e) The length of time an inmate is on death row is costly to the tax payer and causes emotional pain to the inmates family and friends; if they have not commited a crime why should they be punished as well?
f) Where is a line drawn in establishing who should die? If a long suffering wife stabs her abusive husband, she has killed- should she be executed?
g) The number
WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 1 year ago
Exactly when is the United States going to join the rest of the civilised world and abolish the death penalty in every state?
Sure there are some scumbags out there, but why should the state stoop to their level? There are so many reasons why it is flawed.
a) It brutalises society
b) Money is a major factor and defendants, particularly poor black defendants are too often not given the sufficient legal aid to make a fair case
c) It is not deterrant and states with the DP have higher crime
WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 1 year ago
@WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 All good points. I would like to see the death penalty abolished once and for all.
Largo64 1 year ago
@Largo64
Thankyou; for your reply and for the video.
I think the US is a great nation but it will be a greater nation without the death penalty.
WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 1 year ago
@WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 Agreed on both counts.
Largo64 1 year ago
The death penalty not only cheapens life but it makes it rather hypocritcal for society to demand that its citizens respect human life. Why should people respect life when the state has no respect for it? Because the state will kill you if you don't? That'sa hellofa justification. In fact, the death penalty has never worked as deterence, So why use it? I can only think that many Americans feel the need for revenge and so they exact it through the state. It's a poor roll model.
RogerHWerner 1 year ago
What I don't get is why in a country so obsessed by guns, the firing squad is not an option. In my line of thinking that is more humane and less likely to be botched than the elctric chair which I regard as primitive, brutal, strange and uncivilised.
Only two developed, democratic countries still use the death penalty; the US and Japan. In Britain, im proud to say we abolished it 43 years ago; the last execution was 45 years ago and the last public execution, 142 years ago.
WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 1 year ago
@WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 Until fairly recently, I think, Utah was the only state that had a firing squad as an option. It's only a guess, but I think it may be that with other methods, the executioner can be more removed from the victim. In a firing squad, individuals have to aim a rifle at the heart of the victim and pull the trigger. I know that only one or two of the rifles in a squad are supposed to carry live rounds, but an expert rifleman knows when he's firing a blank (or so I've heard).
Largo64 1 year ago
@Largo64
Thankyou for the explanation. Yes I think I remember the Utah situation now and unless im mistaken a case had come up there recently.
WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 1 year ago
It doesn't take an expert to know. Fire a pelet gun at a target from 25 ft,,,you will see the hole in the target without moving. A steel-tipped 30-06 round makes a hole in a human body rather larger than a pellet.
RogerHWerner 1 year ago
RIDE THE LIGHTNING!
jkotaka 1 year ago
While your information was good, I do think that people who protest against the death penalty should at all costs try to avoid sounding smug. Body language speaks very loudly. When it comes down to it in the end, I changed my position to one of against capital punishment simply because I believe being incarcerated for life with NO possibility of getting out (other than exoneration if you are innocent) is very fitting, especially if you are put on restrictive status which you should be.
Madams1977 1 year ago
You finally get it. Life without possibility of parole is far far FAR worse then execution. Prison life is bloody awful. I worked for almost a year in a maximum security prison so my views derive from first hand experience. Not that it really matters but lefe without parole is less expensive then execution by a substantial amount of money.
RogerHWerner 1 year ago
Damn, that`s why my home always black out and i can`t play internet and watch youtube..
farzblack 1 year ago
@electroexecutoid If you really hated them so much for murdering wouldn't you want them to suffer instead of getting the easy way out in death? Also, people who murder other inmates are put in lockdown. Sort of like a prison within a prison. Another thing, how many false convictions have there been made? If you gave them the death penalty, you would have killed an innocent person.
sanauj15 1 year ago
Lock down of 'Ad Seg'puts an inmate in what amounts to solitary confinement. They get to come out of their cell for an hour a day. Try to imagine what it would be like to spend 24 hours aday in a 15 x 8 ft cell with a bed (uncomfortable). Meals served on a steel tray with a spoon. In some prisons defecation is often in a bucket. Some 'luxury ' prisons have toilets in Ad Seg but not all.
RogerHWerner 1 year ago
@electroexecutoid You still didn't really answer my question on to why the state can kill a murderer, but a civilian can't do the same. Also, they rarely do escape. An exception to this is the notorious Ted Bundy, but he was later executed. Another thing, if we made escape 100% possible, why do we need to entomb them in concrete walls?
sanauj15 1 year ago
@electroexecutoid Killing is wrong no matter what you think. No life is worth more than another. No matter what they did. Everyone is different and there will never be another you, me, or anyone else. Their mannerism, thought process, skills, and personality all together can never be replicated. That's what makes life so unique and valuable. Your anger to kill for what this person did is no better than his reason.
sanauj15 1 year ago
@electroexecutoid
I'm not saying to let the murderer get off free. Just put them in prison for the rest of their lives. No need to kill them. By your logic, if someone kills a family of mine, I should kill them back without consequences. Yet we're not allowed to. How hypocritical is that.
sanauj15 1 year ago