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  • Doesn't he look like a sheep??

  • this man is a fool

  • he has some mighty eyebrows

  • Religion is no a moremore dangerous idea than the moral relativism from nihilism and atheism.

  • yeah, he works for the CIA or something.

  • Islam in India and the goal of Islam:

    Co-existence in fact, has always been a way of life in India, Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Zoroastrians, Bahais all have found home and safe refuge in this great country, however, the only exception to these immigrants was the Muslims, who did not come to adapt themselves to the local culture and live in peace and harmony.

    Their aim? to subdue the native populations and flutter the flag of Islam.

    Islamization of India was the main aim of the invaders.

  • Arch. of Canterbury

    "It is all too easy to go along with the assumption that Christianity is an IMPORT TO the Middle East rather than an export from it.

    For 2000yrs the Christian presence in the Middle East has been an integral part of successive civilisations - a dominant presence in the Byzantine era, a culturally very active partner in the early Muslim centuries.

    A patient and long-suffering element, of the Middle East, in the complex mosaic of ethnic jurisdictions within the Ottoman empire."

  • Muslims are not happy! in Gaza, Egypt, Libya, Pakiland, Syria etc

    So, where are they happy? In UK, USA, Australia, Sweden, France etc

    They’re happy in Countries that are not Muslim.

    And who do they blame?

    Not Islam - Not their Mullahs - Not themselves

    They Blame the Nations which gave them succour when they went begging for 1/2 a slice of bread to eat

    THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN! & WANT

    TO CHANGE THEM TO BE LIKE THE COUNTRY THEY CAME FROM

    WHERE THEY WERE UNHAPPY

    faithfreedom.or g

  • A French minister Jeannette Bougrab of Algerian origin said: “It’s very worrying, I don’t know of any moderate Islam.There are no half measures with sharia, you can make all the theological, literal or fundamental interpretations of it that you like but law based on sharia is inevitably a restriction on freedom, especially freedom of conscience. I am shocked that those who have rights and freedoms here gave their votes to a religious party,” she said.(Al Arabiya, 1.12.11)

    more @: wikiislam.ne t

  • However the Koranic view towards atheists or polytheists is worse, which is they should be converted or killed.

  • A reasonable, thoughtful speech. However Islam is not very compatible with friendly relations with Christians since the Koran tells Muslims not to have Christian friends and says they are misguided and going to hell. As for extremism, as Sam Harris said, it's not "extremism" or "fundamentalism" that are the problems, its that the fundamentals of Islam are not very tolerant to anyone who is not Muslim, whereas a fundamentalist buddhist, for example, would be obessively peaceful and compassionate

  • The peaceful face of Islam is a deception. It is political Islam which is the mask of violent Islam. As the Turkish Prime Minister commented (Milliyet, Turkey, August 21, 2007); “These descriptions are very ugly. It is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.”

    “The militant Muslim is the person cutting the head of the infidel while the moderate Muslim holds the victims feet.”- Dr. M. Sabieski

  • I think that once most educated, intelligent, thoughtful people realized that the entity from which the universe sprang was not what they thought it was, they moved on and left religion behind. That's why it is so rare to find someone as educated, thoughtful, and intelligent as Rowan Williams still among the religious.

  • Donohue, President of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights

    “We are constantly being told that Islam is just like every other world religion…. Yet daily we read about unprovoked violence, or threats of it, against Christians and Jews, and just as often we read about how it is justified by leading Muslim clerics in the name of their religion.”

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  • Judging from these comments it seems that atheism can lead people to hatred as often as belief does. Don't you hear what Rowan Williams is saying about looking beyond differences towards a common sense of ctiizenship? How can so simple a message be lost on atheists and believers alike?

  • I don't respect Rowan Williams even though he's a nice man ,for asking for the disgusting Sharia law to be adopted in parts of Britain show what a total an utter masochist this man is.

  • @lightandbeautiful, You said it SO well! I couldn't have coined it that well in a million years! e

  • I have a lot of respect for Rowan Williams. He's the Stephen Fry of Christianity.

  • @bored1980 well, i'd somewhat agree. the guy i really like is John Lennox.

  • Loving your enemy is an immoral concept, Rowan Williams might be prepared to love Muslims, but he certainly won't make me do so.

  • He looks and sounds like a sith lord...

  • A true scholar. In both thought and rhetoric.

  • Good point by Rowan Williams to look past the differences and try to see common ground. Valerie Tarico & wisdomcommons looks at humanity's shared moral core & belief in Matt 7v12 The Golden Rule. Pop star Jessie J sings this idea in 'Nobody's perfect'; ' It's time that I learned to treat the people I love like I wanna be loved'. Often when people say, 'I hate you' they mean, 'I hate what you did there' or ' I'm upset at what you said' . Emotional literacy might be the key,

  • There needs to be more of this kind of religious person.

  • @Ricki145 Why would you wish for more christian apologists instead of people willing to go the entire honest route of just not believing in things that obviously don't have any case or argument to stand for it in the first place? I will agree he is much brighter and less annoying and dangerous than most religious people I have met, but I'm still not cheering for all of the seats in my towns bar and my countries office to be filled with even "slightly christian" people.

  • @AMpufnstuf You're right, I would much prefer atheists over this. What I meant to say is "Of the religious people that exist, more should be like this."

  • Dr. Williams is a Welshman and has the honour of heading an English religious outfit. Why are they not called Lutherism, their proper and original name?  And as the Queen of England and Colonies (including Wales) is the Head, why is her church so anti-women, anti-sex, anti-masturbation? I mean, the Queen herself did it herself when SHE was a teenager. So did Rowan. So did all the others. Yet they live in denial. Just like binge-drinkers.

  • ALL religion = Poison

  • A very wise respond on the issue of Islam...I like that statement, "We are not embarrassed ourselves as Christians..."

  • @adamskibobs Yes, I had it on a daily basis at one of my schools for 8 years. Thankfully I resisted the brainwashing from the age of 8yrs. I worked in the Middle East and whilst there I read the koran. That too was full of holes. Just because they are religious tomes does not mean they are facts. You have a brain, it's yours to use. Use it! Ask questions!

  • Islam may be TINY [at the moment]. However the name most popular for new born boys is rapidly becomming that of mohammed or one of its derivations. There is more trouble to come from one of Islams more ridiculous factions. This bible punching dope should stick to his own blinkered religion and get out more, the blithering idiot.

  • @Mzungu64 shut up show some respect towards this man his a doctor who the hell are you?

  • @naz2999 - Im Batman

  • @naz2999 He may well be a doctor, however his doctorate is in myths and conjecture. Real Doctors are qualified in subjects that involve real intelligence, viz, the Sciences. That's who the hell I am.

  • I agree we have to love our neighbours and muslims (the ones here, anyway) generally don't hate Christians. But Rowan worries me in how he speaks about "common citizenship" and joint ventures with muslims. Do we want them to remain muslims, untroubled and undisturbed? Or do we want them to come to Christ and go to heaven? What are we? Secular humanists with a pseudo spiritual streak?

  • Love your neighbor, try not to hate anyone, because its awfully to one's disadvantage! Best to always be clear minded and love as much as one is able!

  • Williams "turn the other cheek" philosophy is useless in the face of someone who wishes to assimilate you.

  • For me, there's wisdom in everything Rowan Williams says. He is careful to avoid divisiveness, and speaks with accessible warmth and very little ego. His desire for dialogue and compromise should be a model for religious leaders the world over.

  • I'm an atheist, I'm generally highly suspicious of religion and religious figures.. but I strongly respect Rowan Williams.

  • @tomsega Ha! Coming from an athiest, I'm ot surprised!

  • @tomsega Likewise.

  • @tomsega this.

  • "Love your enemies" is an utterly immoral doctrine.

  • @kaifroland Why?

  • @mrfrankincense Because it can lead to our destruction. When the twin towers were destroyed by the faithful, the good Christian president of the US didn't "love his enemies" or "turn the other cheek", he decided to fight back as we need to do when our civilization is threatened.

  • @kaifroland Why do you need to fight back when threatened? If the USA had loved it's enemies from the start then it wouldn't have exploited them and caused their anger and hatred towards it in the first place. But I'm not talking specifics. What's is immoral about your destruction?

  • @mrfrankincense If the word "moral" is to mean anything, it's immoral to destroy innocent people. While the US government has caused a lot of grief in the past, I don't think the people working in the WTC could be blamed. Same for the Holocaust, to mention another example. Sometimes we need to fight our enemies, and destroy them before they destroy us.

  • @kaifroland Why? Don't you think that this ideology has held real moral validity for the majority of war scenarios? In modern wars against radical Islamists, the lines of the battlefield are defined by moral ideology, but in the majority of wars throughout the political history of all places, the lines of battlefield were defined by economic and political difference defined by the power elite. For us common people, this sentiment is highly moral

  • Let's give the muslims something they can get really offended over.

  • Sir Winston Churchill on Islam.

    "How dreadful are the curses of Islam!

    Besides the fanatical frenzy, there is a death wish.

    The evil effects are everywhere and insecurity exist wherever muslims live.

    In Islamic law every woman must belong to a man as his? absolute property.

    There will be slavery until Islam dies.

    All Muslims know how to die and no stronger backward force exists in the world.

    If true wisdom is not sheltered, science and civilisation will fall,

    just like ancient Rome".

  • The prophet of Islam is Muhammed, a well-known terrorist and murderer. He opposed the very concept of democracy and didn't allow any voice of opposition to be heard. This is why there is so much terrorism within Islam and not within other religions, because it is the only faith whose founder advocated violence.

  • he is quite a thoughtful person...I really value his comments

  • Rowan Williams is a druid, not a bishop.

  • He should have some fucking bollocks and say that, as a Christian, his god will make all muslims burn in hell. He has the bible as "proof" why not just say it?

    (by the way I'm a athiest, fuck islam etc))

  • @FordCortinamk3 You have entirely missed the point, not only of the Archbishop's message, but also of the Christian tradition. This is probably to do with the Evangelical right's distortion of that tradition.

  • @benjaminjobrien

    How have I missed the point?

    The Bible clearly says many times in many ways that if you're not a Christian you will burn in hell for ever. God in the bible is very cruel and harsh to people who don't believe in Jesus. All I'm saying is that as a Christian the Archbishop's message should reflect god's will, not go against god's will. If he really has "god" on his side, surely he can't lose?

  • @FordCortinamk3 You're immature and childish.

  • the reason why he wants sharia law is because its the same as christian law and he cannot aplly dat shit in our country so its gna use the fear of being called racist in islam to apply sharia law fuck you rowan

  • Either you follow the Word of God or Burn in hell, is that so hard for you to understand Rowan?! Your support of Shari-ah Law is disgusting!

  • This guy has monstrous eyebrows. Also, the most hideously soporific British voice I have ever heard. It's as though he's trained to anesthetize people's minds by speaking.

  • What a bunch of politically correct jibberish coming from this man.

    It seems that the Church of England has rendered its own self impotent.

  • Think for a moment how ridiculous this is,Rowan Williams is analyzing one fairy tale from the perspective of the claims of another fairy tale.

    It is surreal.

    How humanity can sit and listen to anything uttered by these fools is beyond me.

  • Why can't people simply say to muslims that their ideas and principles are harmful and potentially destructive to all of that which thousands of years of civilization has achieved.

  • @whyabadi What would that achieve?

  • @theclinger It might make some rethink their Islam. I did.

  • Weak, weak weak.

  • all religion is rubbish, this Williams guy just proves it.

  • This guy will talk around everything....Watch FITNA on here.....no need to say another word.....this plonker has two (Yes two) palaces to live in. You'd imagine someone in his position would be clever....he agrees with Sharia courts in Britain (Over 85 now)...'.Don't assume that Muslims hate christians'..is he brain dead!

  • PLEASE GOOGLE "FAITHFREEDOM"

    & download free PDF book by Sujit Das -'Unmasking Muhammad'

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    The website tells what actually is written in the Quran

    WILL SURPRISE YOU, their inside knowledge tells, why Muslims create terrorism & blame their victims

    QUOTES IN QURAN; MUSLIM HISTORIANS & MUHAMMAD tell Muslims to kill non-Muslims

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    It's written "Infidels are firewood of hell, kill them to keep it burning"

    This QUOTE ACTUALLY IS, IN THE QURAN Chpt.72verse15

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