Excellent, excellent, excellent video thank you. Need more professional, well spoken video like this where even a DYI like myself never knew about the curves (as much as I've looked at how straight the studs are). So much better than those crappy ExpertVillage videos.
If you want to nail two studs together, with opposite crowns, flush the top, nail it, flush the middle, nail it, and flush the bottom, nail it. Don't nail the top and the bottom, then deal with the middle. You'll have to fight it, as you said use a 16 penny nail and force them together. Just flush ,top, middle, bottom. NO fighting. Same way with double top plates. You flush them as you go from end to end, nailing. You don't nail each end, then deal with the middle.
@OK55OK55OK Just the way I do it, A properly angled 16 seems to not be too difficult to drive wood members straight and I don't have to do it on my knees or on a step ladder, if doing it in place +++Bob
@HomeRemodelWorkshop I don't know when you'd ever be on your knees...or on a stepladder ... The double studs should be put together before the wall is built. One stud will be cut shorter to support the header over a door or window. These "cripples" are nailed together on sawhorses, or a stack of plywood. All uniform, all flush, starting on one end, and working your way to the other end. You wouldn't put two studs in a wall and then flush the sides. At least not in normal framing.
Very nicely done, and let me give you a great big THANK YOU for obviously using a tri-pod during filming. There's nothing worse than trying to watch a video that looks like it was filmed during an earthquake.
Great video! If you've framed up a wall and are still not completely happy with the alignment of the studs, would it be worthwhile to put a bead of panel cement on each stud, then screw the drywall on only enough to keep it strait and aligned while the cement hardens? The rest of the screws could be added later, allowing the cement to shim over the dips in the framing. I would think this would cover up framing defects the way the 3/8" gray plaster layer did in the old days.
@lrd9999 You can add the panel adhesive/ liquid shim and that may help but you would probably be better of if you got a power planer and a straight edge and planed the high spots prior to drywall installation. Just a suggestion. +++ Bob
good excellent tips (I learned something new today). Previously, I thought the crown just goes up (floor joists,etc.). It matters for all apps. very interesting. .. I'd say your as good as 'Tom Silva'. I like easy to understand. Thanks
@TomSawyerPainting I asked a co-worker whos work I really respected what it takes to be a master carpenter. His response was classic "Manfred" You are a master carpenter if you can do what it takes to get the job done, even if its a learn as you go process.I have'nt walked away from one yet! Thanks for watching.+++Bob
you know.... i'm a master carpenter and i have to say your a very good teacher. a very relaxed logical approach to teaching...no wonder people like your videos, you remind me of my dad....
Great informative video. The reason wood waves (wet) and arcs (dry) is because the fibers of the wood are either have too much moisture or not enough which causes the wood to distort from its original milled cut. Another thing you can do to straigten the memebers is by cutting 1 inch slits along the sides of the 2 x 4s using your circular saw blade. This removes enough material so you can straighten out that member without comromising its integritiy. Will save you time not having to return them
Wow bob I have 32 years of experience and every thing you said is what I do , especially the part about king studs and trimmer.s, I do the same thing when I have a long windows, I intentionally make 2 sills and make the crowns opposite co i have less flex in the center, so simple yet so important, great job!!! your a good teacher
...another "old" guy here, and this is good info...I also pretty much do the same thing(s), knowing what's in store at the end is helpful, eh? One thing I do is make sure I have very straight material for all my door and window openings...it actually saves a ton of time through the job to have those items absolutely straight and true. So, while you're crowning, make another pile of "straights"...oh, and check 'em again before nailing that there wall! ;O)
the idea is that two crowns going in opposite directions will cancel each out at least a little and the tension created will hold the king and jack stud true.. remember wood flexes thats it's true strength.
You simplified it very well, but your wall plates should be treated with the same consideration esp. the top ones. I know you do that, and forgot to add it to the vid.
When you put the crowns to the outside or in the floors or rafters you did not mention to set all the members in a row and number them left and right to center the highest crown in the middle. I think this is right since you would not want a crown high out on one end or edge of a roof but centered.
I see your point,however hopefully your crowns will be somewhat similar in crown. if you get a few that are dramatically different then the others I would not use them+++Bob
Hey Bob, I have been a carpenter for years and I gotta tell ya this video is key to success. If I am doing a small partition wall or framing a full basement or addition this is the way I have done for years. some may not care and not want to take the time to do it but I always reap the rewards of clients who are happy with straight, plumb, even walls and trim.. thanks for breakin it down for anyone on here who may wanna do a little or allot of carpentry properly
Forgot to mention, my reason for not liking the studs being toe nailed together to get them flush, is when people for a number of reasons, experience that nail bending, or coming through in a poor angle after hitting a knot or what have you, then you get that gap of the nail shank. ALWAYS nail things together at 90° when possible.
16d for the toenail is a bit much 99% of the time, 12d is better. And better still than toe nailing, is nailing a 12d in the 1½" side if the "lower" of the 2, and use a hammer or cats paw to lever the studs flush, thn nail them together, if you do not have a nail gun, you would want to pre-set some nails.
hi there I have a question. There is a type of material that contracters put in the holes of concrete blocks to make them stronger and to keep out air out. What is the name of the substance used? Thanks in advance.
I am familiar with the insulation, however I do not believe it makes the wall stronger maybe someone else will read this and be more knowledgeable +++Bob
Great video, good info & quality production. I wish I would have learned these tips before I built my first wall 20+ years ago. If you don't mind, I'd like to make one recommendation. I found that when forcing boards straight, it's better to use screws. Regular nails can slip over time. Just my opinion.
Nicely done video with good info. Quality production. I wish I would have learned these things before my first wall project. I learned the hard way. I would only suggest one change though. I find it better to use screws when trying to straighten boards. I found that regular nails can slip over time. Screws can hold that board much better in the long run.
the studs at the door jam I would nail the bottom first and than straightening along the way nail from the bottom up straightening them as you go. Its more difficult to straighten a bow.
Not sure I totally understand your comment but if what you are trying to say is you check your work with a straight edge and use a power planer to straighten bad studs. This is what I do sometimes to straighten existing walls that I stripped on one side but not necessary on walls that I build using the criteria I showed in video.I have always had consistent results===Bob
Excellent, excellent, excellent video thank you. Need more professional, well spoken video like this where even a DYI like myself never knew about the curves (as much as I've looked at how straight the studs are). So much better than those crappy ExpertVillage videos.
sidehop 1 month ago
@sidehop I have about 109 more of them if your interested! Lol Thanks for watching! +++Bob
HomeRemodelWorkshop 1 month ago
Bob Schmidt kinda looks like Harry Connick Jr.
joker102877 1 month ago
If you want to nail two studs together, with opposite crowns, flush the top, nail it, flush the middle, nail it, and flush the bottom, nail it. Don't nail the top and the bottom, then deal with the middle. You'll have to fight it, as you said use a 16 penny nail and force them together. Just flush ,top, middle, bottom. NO fighting. Same way with double top plates. You flush them as you go from end to end, nailing. You don't nail each end, then deal with the middle.
OK55OK55OK 5 months ago
@OK55OK55OK Just the way I do it, A properly angled 16 seems to not be too difficult to drive wood members straight and I don't have to do it on my knees or on a step ladder, if doing it in place +++Bob
HomeRemodelWorkshop 5 months ago
@HomeRemodelWorkshop I don't know when you'd ever be on your knees...or on a stepladder ... The double studs should be put together before the wall is built. One stud will be cut shorter to support the header over a door or window. These "cripples" are nailed together on sawhorses, or a stack of plywood. All uniform, all flush, starting on one end, and working your way to the other end. You wouldn't put two studs in a wall and then flush the sides. At least not in normal framing.
OK55OK55OK 5 months ago
what about B-Roll?
hitachi088 5 months ago
honestly i thought this was a joke...but i (like many people apparently) came here from msi so i see most things as a joke :D
penguidus 6 months ago
Awesome video. I mean like , whoda thunk?
myname4731 7 months ago
Anyone else got here from Straight to Video by MSI?
MeGoFTW 7 months ago
Did you film this during a tornado?
faffaflunkie 7 months ago
@faffaflunkie Windy yes, should have used the mic=muffle Hope you found the info you could hear worthwhile+++Bob
HomeRemodelWorkshop 7 months ago
GREAT VIDEO BOB!
soulessdelu 8 months ago
thank you sooo much. i didnt even think about that. damm good advice
chrisbraveheart 9 months ago
I got sent to this from 'Straight to Video' by MSI... Umm....
0GreenDayAllTheWay0 11 months ago 6
@0GreenDayAllTheWay0 ikr me too lol
TheDemonicHeretic 7 months ago
Very nicely done, and let me give you a great big THANK YOU for obviously using a tri-pod during filming. There's nothing worse than trying to watch a video that looks like it was filmed during an earthquake.
friscoamm 1 year ago
Great video! If you've framed up a wall and are still not completely happy with the alignment of the studs, would it be worthwhile to put a bead of panel cement on each stud, then screw the drywall on only enough to keep it strait and aligned while the cement hardens? The rest of the screws could be added later, allowing the cement to shim over the dips in the framing. I would think this would cover up framing defects the way the 3/8" gray plaster layer did in the old days.
lrd9999 1 year ago
@lrd9999 You can add the panel adhesive/ liquid shim and that may help but you would probably be better of if you got a power planer and a straight edge and planed the high spots prior to drywall installation. Just a suggestion. +++ Bob
HomeRemodelWorkshop 1 year ago
@HomeRemodelWorkshop Thanks!
lrd9999 1 year ago
Thanks for the great info. I used this video as I built my twin sheds. I even made a video. Thanks
12345mike6789 1 year ago
great vids
BiggCleve2 1 year ago
good excellent tips (I learned something new today). Previously, I thought the crown just goes up (floor joists,etc.). It matters for all apps. very interesting. .. I'd say your as good as 'Tom Silva'. I like easy to understand. Thanks
bonanzatime 1 year ago
I think you're wonderful ; )
TheHandyGoddess 1 year ago
I love getting these great tips from Master Carpenters ! Thanks Bob !
TomSawyerPainting 1 year ago
@TomSawyerPainting I asked a co-worker whos work I really respected what it takes to be a master carpenter. His response was classic "Manfred" You are a master carpenter if you can do what it takes to get the job done, even if its a learn as you go process.I have'nt walked away from one yet! Thanks for watching.+++Bob
HomeRemodelWorkshop 1 year ago
I have been building for decades, and your videos are superb. Good job and it's a joy to watch them as well.
pancakepie2 1 year ago
i am so subscribing
trackmaniakid27 1 year ago
You need to get a directional mic *WIIIIIIIND*
DarkKnightBob1o1 1 year ago
Great Tips
gregvandenberge 1 year ago
Good info. Great resource. I subscribed. Keep 'em comin'!
PimpMilkySaysThis 1 year ago
Nice!
pancakepie2 1 year ago
good reminers thanks
ForPropertyInvestors 1 year ago
So glad to see someone just telling it like it is. So many hacks it's good to know that someone is out there giving good advice!
wildwill1970 1 year ago
thx Bob333
dorcsy 1 year ago
What would you suggest for my walls?
2007omi 1 year ago
Great tip.
bgoogins 1 year ago
you know.... i'm a master carpenter and i have to say your a very good teacher. a very relaxed logical approach to teaching...no wonder people like your videos, you remind me of my dad....
dekonfrost7 1 year ago 6
@dekonfrost7 "remind me of my dad" Obviously you must be about 10. LOL +++Bob
HomeRemodelWorkshop 1 year ago
great video
scidhumouse 1 year ago
Great informative video. The reason wood waves (wet) and arcs (dry) is because the fibers of the wood are either have too much moisture or not enough which causes the wood to distort from its original milled cut. Another thing you can do to straigten the memebers is by cutting 1 inch slits along the sides of the 2 x 4s using your circular saw blade. This removes enough material so you can straighten out that member without comromising its integritiy. Will save you time not having to return them
scidhumouse 1 year ago
crowned wall plate can be bent to the line, i think he mentioned that briefly
JAM20102010 1 year ago
Very pertinent information explained intellectually. Very well done, and thank you for that info.
Suamere 1 year ago 3
man,,, if the wood is dry.... crownor no crown wall will be straight. some of it is true but to build like this take too long
yanikivanov 1 year ago
@yanikivanov - Ya, cutting corners is much faster. I agree with Yanikivanov, it is too much work to do things the right way. /sarcasm
Suamere 1 year ago
Great info. Thanks.
Quakeserver149 1 year ago
thanks for the tips....
Robbgen 1 year ago
Wow bob I have 32 years of experience and every thing you said is what I do , especially the part about king studs and trimmer.s, I do the same thing when I have a long windows, I intentionally make 2 sills and make the crowns opposite co i have less flex in the center, so simple yet so important, great job!!! your a good teacher
vlineguy 2 years ago
...another "old" guy here, and this is good info...I also pretty much do the same thing(s), knowing what's in store at the end is helpful, eh? One thing I do is make sure I have very straight material for all my door and window openings...it actually saves a ton of time through the job to have those items absolutely straight and true. So, while you're crowning, make another pile of "straights"...oh, and check 'em again before nailing that there wall! ;O)
chasgroh 1 year ago
Bob, I didn't fully understand the part regarding crowns for the door jams. Awesome video. 5 stars!
SBha30 2 years ago
@SBha30 ,
the idea is that two crowns going in opposite directions will cancel each out at least a little and the tension created will hold the king and jack stud true.. remember wood flexes thats it's true strength.
dekonfrost7 1 year ago
You simplified it very well, but your wall plates should be treated with the same consideration esp. the top ones. I know you do that, and forgot to add it to the vid.
orcstr8d 2 years ago
great videos man i am building a recording studio out of my bedroom and i wouldnt of known where to start without these vids!
DjWurm1 2 years ago
You are very welcome+++Bob
HomeRemodelWorkshop 2 years ago
When you put the crowns to the outside or in the floors or rafters you did not mention to set all the members in a row and number them left and right to center the highest crown in the middle. I think this is right since you would not want a crown high out on one end or edge of a roof but centered.
floyd5666 2 years ago
I see your point,however hopefully your crowns will be somewhat similar in crown. if you get a few that are dramatically different then the others I would not use them+++Bob
HomeRemodelWorkshop 2 years ago
very well done! Exactly the info I needed
scalliwagrx8 2 years ago
Sometimes the small things can make a big difference! Thanks for watching +++Bob
HomeRemodelWorkshop 2 years ago
Hey Bob, I have been a carpenter for years and I gotta tell ya this video is key to success. If I am doing a small partition wall or framing a full basement or addition this is the way I have done for years. some may not care and not want to take the time to do it but I always reap the rewards of clients who are happy with straight, plumb, even walls and trim.. thanks for breakin it down for anyone on here who may wanna do a little or allot of carpentry properly
-Tino -
actorguy6 2 years ago
I too have had the same feedback Thanks+++Bob
HomeRemodelWorkshop 2 years ago
Thank you, that was very practical.
stumpgrinderguy 2 years ago
commen sense :)
mikesandytoes 2 years ago
great videos bob, thanks.
sigmundfloyder 2 years ago
Terrific Video, thanks!!!
OahuLargeScaleTrains 2 years ago
Or be forced to used metal studs by the NYC building code :(
risottto 2 years ago
Forgot to mention, my reason for not liking the studs being toe nailed together to get them flush, is when people for a number of reasons, experience that nail bending, or coming through in a poor angle after hitting a knot or what have you, then you get that gap of the nail shank. ALWAYS nail things together at 90° when possible.
rotagbhd 2 years ago
When possible is the key phrase. I also made a video about a palm nailer which assists in toenailing for the hammer challenged.+++Bob
HomeRemodelWorkshop 2 years ago
16d for the toenail is a bit much 99% of the time, 12d is better. And better still than toe nailing, is nailing a 12d in the 1½" side if the "lower" of the 2, and use a hammer or cats paw to lever the studs flush, thn nail them together, if you do not have a nail gun, you would want to pre-set some nails.
rotagbhd 2 years ago
Thanks for this!! Very well explained, excellent tips for things I've had trouble with as an amature . . . .
cedartree696 2 years ago
hi there I have a question. There is a type of material that contracters put in the holes of concrete blocks to make them stronger and to keep out air out. What is the name of the substance used? Thanks in advance.
shecutess 2 years ago
I am familiar with the insulation, however I do not believe it makes the wall stronger maybe someone else will read this and be more knowledgeable +++Bob
HomeRemodelWorkshop 2 years ago
Great video, good info & quality production. I wish I would have learned these tips before I built my first wall 20+ years ago. If you don't mind, I'd like to make one recommendation. I found that when forcing boards straight, it's better to use screws. Regular nails can slip over time. Just my opinion.
dcrawford919 2 years ago
I agree screws always hold better than nails,in this case may be a bit of overkill,but I would have no problem doing it that way Thanks+++Bob
HomeRemodelWorkshop 2 years ago
Nicely done video with good info. Quality production. I wish I would have learned these things before my first wall project. I learned the hard way. I would only suggest one change though. I find it better to use screws when trying to straighten boards. I found that regular nails can slip over time. Screws can hold that board much better in the long run.
dcrawford919 2 years ago
i would of had it up by now lol thank god he anit on price lol
andybarnes20 2 years ago
Channel not designed for people who have already honed their craft, maybe you could share some of your building tips Thanks+++Bob
HomeRemodelWorkshop 2 years ago
build ur wall, then take a straight stud and mark crowns, then go back and put another stud with opposite crown next to it and secure together
SucceedsAtWill 2 years ago
Great info for us wanna be backyard builders! Thanks.
rkeeme 2 years ago
the studs at the door jam I would nail the bottom first and than straightening along the way nail from the bottom up straightening them as you go. Its more difficult to straighten a bow.
sarandorairaj 2 years ago
Different technique same results +++Bob
HomeRemodelWorkshop 2 years ago
when you mention using the 16d nails, where are you hammering them from?
vonblon 2 years ago
Into the 1 1/2 edge of 2x4 at angle to catch 2x behind it+++Bob
HomeRemodelWorkshop 2 years ago
Thanks for the tip! I'm definitely going to apply what you mentioned here to my next wall project.
Jonniespeed 2 years ago
great door jam tip, i never really thought about it.
duuuuuumb 2 years ago
great information thanx
excavation480 3 years ago
No problem, What do you excavate?+++Bob
HomeRemodelWorkshop 3 years ago
whats a crown
cmcmedina 3 years ago
5* vid
StevenJamesJ 3 years ago
Thanks Bob for the informative tip!
R42464 3 years ago
You are very welcome Merry Christmas! +++Bob
HomeRemodelWorkshop 3 years ago
Nice video. Good job. Bob Vila would be proud.
gettingitfirst 3 years ago
Bob WHO????????Lol just kidding+++Bob
HomeRemodelWorkshop 3 years ago
Excellent tips and extremely well explained!!
saultman 3 years ago
Thanks obviously,I have had no formal training but have trained many new helpers over the years+++Bob
HomeRemodelWorkshop 3 years ago
Not sure I totally understand your comment but if what you are trying to say is you check your work with a straight edge and use a power planer to straighten bad studs. This is what I do sometimes to straighten existing walls that I stripped on one side but not necessary on walls that I build using the criteria I showed in video.I have always had consistent results===Bob
HomeRemodelWorkshop 3 years ago
you dont have to do it because at the end you can use your planer and thats it
5465465436 3 years ago
Very well put. Thanks
243WW 3 years ago
That is a good tip. Thanks.
Stan1208 3 years ago
This has do be one of the best tips I have seen on youtube
quaheedus 3 years ago
Great tip.
nibelungensohn 3 years ago
thats a nice handy tip
thanks bob.
masterquadbiker 3 years ago
thanx Bob. Maybe one day you will talk about wall framing ;-)
sumbook 3 years ago
Good to know!
jwarchol 3 years ago
Wow, this tip is definitely a winner!
MRSketch09 3 years ago
Thanks!!!
BlackRobe2012 3 years ago
thanks Bob, great tips, you really know a lot about building walls. You answered many questions I had about walls.
CameronTingley 3 years ago
Very informative, thanks for sharing that tidbit - don't forget the walls !
LeoBurns728 3 years ago