Courtney Love talking to Tom Grant before and after kurt was found

[10nirvanagirl]

i do think CL did kill kurt and i know most of u will say its a load of crap but if u look at the evidence im pritty sure u will find she did and TBO it's my opinon. #justiceforkurt xoxo

[Sunzu49]

Notice how she sounds more depressed in the second tape?

[11amberyates]

I love how courtney wants soo badly for people to think kurt killed himself. Shes like "guys he had no friends. Thats a good reason to end your life. Even though im sure that bullshi. His band mates were like fam

[Muskateering]

@11amberyates I know, socially he doesn't have one friend? Wtf? He was even good friends with Michael Stipe and Kim Gordon, and those were just the famous ones! I'm sure theres many more, this just go prove that she's a lying bitch!

[scartissue94]

Jesus, can't you just accept that the man killed himself? There was actually one moment after this article by Vanity Fair claimed that Courtney used heroin during pregnancy (which was obviously wrong), and the exploitation and lies nearly drove Kurt and Courtney to come to a suicide pact, but they decided to put the gun down for the baby's sake. As for that unplugged show, someone pointed out to Kurt that the setting of it seemed like a funeral, and he replied saying "Exactly."

[shazzadee]

@scartissue94 Ah...She admitted using heroin during her first trimester of pregnancy! She said that she was using until the third month when she found out she was pregnant. That's straight from her mouth. You're obviously wrong! If you can get such simple details wrong, how do you have authority to contribute to this conversation? I have seen real evidence, what you dribbling is your interpretation of thoughts that you have no access to.

[scartissue94]

@shazzadee

If that were true, then her baby would've had health problems, and had gone through heroin withdrawl. She said she stopped as soon as she knew. I don't get you bottom feeders, you only believe what she says if it seems bad. It's just not fucking logical.

[shazzadee]

@scartissue94- She was taken away by child services the moment she was healthy enough to leave hospital, and it's not made available public whether or not she had drug withdrawal or any health problems. It was exposed by Vanity fair that both Kurt and Courtney were taking heroin into the first trimester and Courtney Love admitted it. I'm not trusting her, I'm trusting the fact that they had evidence she did and she had no choice but confess.

[scartissue94]

@shazzadee

The fact that you believe what Vanity Fair said rests my case. They're known for stretching the truth and assuming complete bullshit. The lawsuit for Frances to be taken away included a basically a xerox copy of that article. Frances was healthy the whole time. You seriously need to look at both sides of this case.

[TheStarfkr]

@scartissue94

Kurt was murdered. I've debated countless people on that and so far the overwelming majority of the people who believe Kurt killed himself have almost no knowledge of the events surrounding his death. In debating them they either don't care about facts or eventually I will show them something that snaps them out of their trance and realize it was murder. Like the fact that Kurt was not alone when he died. Understand that & a quick hop & skip toward understanding he was murdered

[scartissue94]

@TheStarfkr

There's no proof of that.

[TheStarfkr]

@scartissue94

There was no investigation. Within minutes of arriving at the scene the SPD said it was suicide. They lied and claimed that they investigated it as if it was a murder but then how could this be when they didn't even check the gun for fingerprints until a month later. It was all swept under the rug and Courtney was friends with several SPD officers.

[scartissue94]

@TheStarfkr

There's no proof of that either.

[TheStarfkr]

@scartissue94

Now you are just being willfully dense. When a case is treated like a murder investigation the police do not wait a month before they check for fingerprints. That alone indicates the police did not treat the investigation as a murder investigation as they claimed. In fact, we know from police documents and from the media that within minutes of arriving at the scene they declared it a suicide. And yes, Courtney has been taped talking about her friend Det. Terry.

[scartissue94]

@TheStarfkr

You have no idea how long it took until the case was treated, the circumstances are totally shrouded and complex, and you listen to 1 man who claims that Courtney herself killed Kurt. You have no idea that he could be bullshitting. There's not enough stable proof in any of this. On top of that, you're only looking into one side of the story.

[TheStarfkr]

@scartissue94

You are dead wrong. Like most people I assumed Kurt killed himself and was angry when Tom Grant came out in 95 saying that Kurt was murdered. It wasn't until lat 1996 until I actually started to research the case for myself that I began to realize the evidence pointed to murder. There was no proper investigation. According to police documents within minutes of arriving at the scene they concluded it was a suicide, case closed.

[TheStarfkr]

@scartissue94

FYI: Tome Grant does not claim that Courtney killed Kurt herself. That just shows you know nothing about Kurt's death. Courtney was in LA when he died. Instead, Grant claims Courtney and Michael DeWitt conspired to murder Kurt Cobain. But you are right it is extremely complex and it takes someone to actually go over the information before one realizes it was murder. It's far to easy just to choose to remain ignorant and believe it was suicide.

[scartissue94]

@TheStarfkr

That's just what every conspirator tells me-that Courtney killed Kurt. I just don't think it makes sense that Courtney would want to kill him. No one she's ever been associated with ever found that she had that drive. She's also revived Kurt from an overdose several times (unpublicized), and even talked Kurt into handing his gun to her because he considered killing himself (Eric Erlandson was there). She was even the one who initiated a pre nup.

[TheStarfkr]

@scartissue94

Courtney was facing a divorce and due to their prenup she would have gotten little to nothing. Kurt called the lawyer and wanted a new will drawn up excluding Courtney. Since he died Courtney got everything. As far as Courtney "helping" Kurt via overdose, on May 2, 1993 Courtney administered drugs to an unconscious Kurt and against his will. The drugs could have killed him. Believers feel this was the 1st murder attempt. The police report was blacked out.

[flyingpiggie999]

Please sooner or later, apprehend this motherfucker.

[shazzadee]

Update on Project Unplugged:

Next segment of project unplugged will contain previously unheard recordings of conversations with Dr. Hartshorne ( the person that performed Kurt and Kristen's autopsy and now also deceased). Be sure to watch out for segment three of project unplugged which will be out soon....

[hanhanlovessahbear]

courtney is a stupid B****

she killed kurt.

anyone who says otherwise obviously dusnt knw muchh

[PurpleeeNurpleee]

@hanhanlovessahbear i have to agree... once you do your "research" and really get into it... you get the conclusion that he was killed.

[scartissue94]

@hanhanlovessahbear

Wow, so people like you who believe this obviously must be right, huh?

[xXGloriousAnarchyxX]

I can't believe she thought his disappearance would make publicity! Why? Why? Why? Why did she say that? No wonder he was planning leaving her.

How can people like her? How can any human with a functioning brain like her? Well....I guess I can't say that...seeing as I don't know Frances feelings on her...but still.

She never deserved him...at all...

[shazzadee]

I have no idea. I'm guessing that most people just mistake her psychopathy as being "outspoken" and an "individual". And Frances would have no idea about the circumstances surrounding her father's death; only the lies that she has been spoonfed from a very young age. So of course Frances is going to love her mother; she is oblivious to who her mother really is.

[MrStonesword]

@shazzadee Until, of course, she got old enough to think for herself. Then she might study the case herself and realize she'd been lied to all her life. Then she might even move away from her mother and refuse contact with her.

[Muskateering]

@MrStonesword actually, she's already pretty much left her mother and doesn't want to see her very often. If you do some research, you'll see that Frances isn't comfortable around her at all.

[MrStonesword]

@Muskateering I know, that's why I said that. Sarcasm always gets lost when posting, I've got to try not to write that way. I agree with you.

[pivot1022]

@xXGloriousAnarchyxX she HATES COURTNEY she is living with one of kurts parents or grandparents i believe

[laperallimonera]

Fuck you, Courtney's not a killer.

[grungebettan]

I agree with you Courtney is not a fucking killer!

[RandomChick210]

courtney killed kurt. she hurried and cremated him so they couldnt do another autopsey.

[shazzadee]

I agree. To my knowledge, Kurt never asked for a cremation either. She also had the greenhouse destroyed and said that it was imposing on park land. Funny how the local government never claimed that land back....

Hmm.

[RandomChick210]

exactly. i watched a video on here, and courtney love admitted to burning the evidence. i really hope they re-open the case. frances [[his daughter]] and kurt deserve justice. people will say "he reached the gun with his toes, but he had shoes on. courtney love doesnt deserve the name mother. she never deserved kurt. she doesnt deserve life. she is just a money hungry bitch.

[shazzadee]

Thanks for the comments veggiegurl06! I agree with you 100%. I sent this as a video response to NevermindKurt94's silly little post and she denied it. Woudln't watch it AT ALL.

[veggiegurl06]

I think you did a really good job with this. That one part Courtney says "you know, you always she on tv where a woman comes in and she says there's no way he could have run off with a woman or there's no way he could have killed himself. I'm telling you he has no friends" Strange huh? Yeah right, I always see that on tv. I think this shows her mind running a mile a minute trying to come up with BS and lies.

[veggiegurl06]

I think she said the part about running off with a woman because she was afraid that was what Kurt was going to do. He had 2 plane tickets to leave Seattle so maybe that is exactly what he was going to do (or maybe he was planning on leaving with a friend or even with Frances, we'll never know). In any case he wanted to leave Seattle and Courtney. She didn't want the public to know this. She also didn't want the public thinking there was no way he could have killed himself,

[veggiegurl06]

because she wanted everything to think he killed himself without question. She also said he has no friends, and I'm not sure if she is plotting here (or recollecting what she had already done) and thinking he can't leave Seattle with flattened tires on his car, cancelled credit cards and no one to call for help (which wasn't true, but maybe he was just too proud to ask for help). She could be also be trying to convince Tom and thinking what image she wanted the media to portray of Kurt

[veggiegurl06]

being a depressed loner with no friends who killed himself. Although on the surface what she says sounds strange I think it says a lot about how her mind works, always planning and plotting and saying whatever will further her cause or ambition at the time. She make slips sometimes, as you know (like about the Rome incident when she told 2 mag reporters about waking up at 3-4am, and letting her drug use slip to the Vanity Fair interviewers) and I think this is along those lines.

[veggiegurl06]

The rest of it shows how unconcerned she really is about finding Kurt, or rather how concerned she is in furthering her career! Kurt was supposedly missing and suicidal? If he really was, why would she even be thinking about her damn record coming up? And the Rome note can't be a suicide note AND a note saying he was leaving her, so again another f- up by her revealing what the note was actually about. She even outright admits the note wasn't "nice" and talked about getting a divorce.

[GamerGeorge]

Agreed, it's time Courtney got hers.

[shazzadee]

Are you subscribed to Tom's channel? :)

[GamerGeorge]

Yep.

[heartrock83]

hey, where were you when this shit happened, do you even know? you stupid little kid quit talking about things you have no idea about. kurts dead yeah it sucks but courtney is not guilty, the claims ewere investigated and a lot of tom grant's claims were proven fabricated and fake. do your research if your gonna make stupid youtube videos about shit thats already been closed for 15 years.

[shazzadee]

Well evident by your response, I know more than you. Tom's claims aren't fabricated, nor have they been proven to be. If they were, then courtney would have sued him. Let's face it, she has sued just about everyone else (or tried to)! I have done my research. Maybe you should do yours. There are tonnes of cases where initial suicides are later ruled murders. The police get it wrong all the time. But kids killed themselves over this. I am going to keep your stupid comment up for everyone to see.

[robdamiano76]

the case has been closed because the seattle police blotched this case and wanted to cover up their mistakes!

You can hear the phone taped conversations!!! dont you hear the things Courtney is saying?!?! how can you say she is innocent after listening to those?!?

alot of people tried to censor what Tom Grant had to say because they KNEW he was right... and he has evidence that they didnt want you to see! havent you ever heard of cover ups?

[robdamiano76]

also, why would police close a case before it even was looked into? just because he was famous or did drugs?

they didnt even examine the shotgun until months after and found no fingerprints on the shotgun,yet they closed the case! i find that to be quite strange....

I think Courtney paid alot of people to cover this up and she brainwashed the media,fans,etc into thinking Kurt was suicidal... i mean cmon, listen to her talk about her record sales when her husband is missing...

[shazzadee]

The death cert was dated april 13th and the gun wasn't dusted for prints until May 6th. They also did not look into the stolen credit card that was used until the day he was found. Also there is tonnes of forensic evidence they missed. They didn't bother to do DNA tests on the cigarette butts on the ground and they didn't test the root beer that was 3/4's full (it could have been spiked or anything). There was diazepam also in his system and to my knowledge he didn't have a prescription.

[judyleasugar97]

Hi, Shazzadee, he may have gotten the valium at Exodus, but the important thing is that it contributed to the debilitating effects of the heroin and would have made it all the more impossible for him to have picked up the gun.

[shazzadee]

Yes very true. But yet everyone still seems to believe that a person can be that tolerant. In reality, it IS impossible.

Do you agree that they should have taken everything? There were several cigarette butts.One could have been someone else's. I think that changing it to undetermined is the least they can do.

[judyleasugar97]

I agree, shazzadee. It was such a poorly handled investigation by the Seattle pd, where would one begin. They need to get over their bad selves and admit they were wrong.

[AhZhi86Tyler]

dude im on ur side. i still dun believe courtney did this job. and shazzadee, no offense but why suddenly u want to talk this murder case? i mean u're only 5 in 94 n doing those research back n reopen this case doesn't mean kurt will be alive 4 2nd time. this is totally funny job 4 u to do.

[shazzadee]

Are you serious? My age is irrelevant. It doesn't change my ability to understand the evidence. So you think that people should just get away with murder? I mean afterall, it's not going to bring the victim of the crime back to life! Is that your logic?! Many people died because the SPD screwed up, not just kurt.

[AhZhi86Tyler]

i dare you to go and explain more relevant evidence in front of courtney love, go find her n tell her that u got the real deal for this. wish u all the best!

[shazzadee]

You're response is childish. Courtney Love is aware of Tom's claims. He spoke to her first and asked for an explanation. Why hasn't Tom been sued? Because in a civil law room, Tom would have right of deposition.Meaning if Courtney sues him, he has the right to respond to her claim that he was not defaming her. It is only defamation if it is untrue.He would present evidence that she murdered kurt. She doesn't want that. A deposition can be recorded and later used in a criminal case.

[AhZhi86Tyler]

u better read back again the suicide note....once again... u'll get what i mean for this whole conversation between both of us. u just have to be grown up. im not yellin u or screwin u up or whatsoever, just try to be nice with u.

[shazzadee]

Heard that it was the same day that his body was found. I fail to understand how people could perceive her as this "dedicated, loving wife" .