IMO rafale to eurofighter is 0,9:1 euro to su35 is 1:1 f22 is a big question mark as its primary feature the stealth has never been combat proven to assess
The Rafale does not even come close to the Typhoon or the Raptor. Rafale is just a replacement for the old Mirage 2000's. Just look at how many countries use the Typhoon, compared to countries using Rafale.
@EkaterinaRukovskaya read the leaked swiss airforce report, if you want, and please dont go by media shits man, the reports that are prepared by airforce are much more credible than what media says, Eurofighter could have been if britain would have trusted itself more than USA by providing funds to its plane....as far as The shit F35 is just type pierre sprey in you tube and you would know, or type RAND(the biggest think tank of US) report on F-35 v/s Flanker visual range combat...............
@EkaterinaRukovskaya how many countries appart from the ones that built it and their lobying at Nato? how many countries uses it outside of Europe? let me answer it for you, it is one Arabie Saudia.
As for the Rafal vs EF shit, they almost identical, they share many compounents (built by Thales or EADS, there is one thing that puts the Rafal ahead of the EF, and it is that the EF is imcomplete, and the first tranche doesn't have many features that are coming in the future
@PartyAllSeason These companies are privately owned by tata not Indian government. 90% of indians dont even know about UK Aid because UK spents money through NGO's and dont hand money to Corrupt indian govt.
@pakruy The Rafale has too large of a radar cross signature and does not have the best electronics/avionics package in the world and thus cannot be classified "best jet in the world"....
@SickKnowledge82 The Rafale has the best sensors and it also has an OSF, that can identify enemies more than 50km away. Buy the way, the Rafale is the only jet to have an OSF.
Tiens ? A priori, au vu des tes précédents commentaires, j'aurais pas cru que tu serais toi aussi candidat aux baffes de ma part, mais si tu veux vraiment on peut s'amuser... Mais je suis pas sûr que ça va te plaire, c'est pour ça que je préfère attendre une confirmation de ta part.
@ctulluh50 oups! en français pour toi bien sùr. ceci dit c'est pas tes baffes qui m'empècheraient de digérer, mais les miennes te feraient du bien, i think
@Deck7568 on oeuvre pour la même cause, la reconnaissance du génie français , parfois le rafale passe dans nos montagnes vers chez moi , et il passe (relativement discrètement)et j'adoore.
C'est vrai que c'est une superbe bête. Pour ma part, c'est au salon du Bourget que je l'ai vu (et aussi une fois au salon de Farnborough). Là, il n'est pas discret du tout :) Personnellement, je lui trouve un air particulièrement félin, et même si j'aime beaucoup le nom "Rafale", qui claque bien, je trouve qu'un nom de félin lui aurait été parfaitement adapté (mais ça aurait été moins original).
@Deck7568 " Jaguar" lui serait allé comme un gant, en effet l'animal chasse , a des griffes et des crocs redoutables, il grimpe aux arbres et saute sur une proie, il nage bref il est omnirôle.et il est magnifique. et il peut etre discret, ou trés fort .
D'ailleurs, dans la vidéo où on le voit au Tiger Meet 2009 en Belgique, je lui trouve un air particulièrement redoutable et il est tout à fait dans son élément...
@Deck7568 oui je viens de la regarder , il est terriblement beau , de face et puis il avance lentement passe devant nous , magnifique. on dit que l'EF est tellement laid qu'il fera peur a l'ennemi et s'enfuira, je pense que le Raf est tellement beau que l'ennemi ne voudra pas l'esquinter, et le protegera. ahahah!
wow sociopath! you just prove your stupid anti-French hatred, unnecessary as the Rafale has won the unanimous support of those who "try. Learn to read the real news, and especially ... treat you.
The firm decision on the fighter has yet to be set in stone, but it looks like the Rafale will arm India and Brazil’s air forces for the next few years.
Looks like the British and French are getting better ties on all fronts. French are building the cores and the Brits the rest for our new nuclear power plants.
The Mirage was good but was unable to inflict a single casulty on the Harrier force in the Falklands war. I think we would all agree the Rafale would be more than good enough to defend India.
@Bobble42 the Sea Harriers and Mirage 3 does not want to fight in the opponent's best altitude, mirages are looking down the harriers, but the Harriers were in their altitude.
@Bobble42 the English and French are the best enemy of the world (in France they say "enemy brothers"), if we were so proud, we would build a lot, as a channel tunnel, what!? it is already doing! .. well then, the highest bridge in the world! what? it is already doing! hem! an ultra modern gigantic aircraft carrier! what? .....
@MySholey I think I understand your question (I do not speak English) the M88 is very compact and very little greedy, but I think the English are more powerful engines, the English are strong engines, fortunately the M88 which will push 9 tons without post combustion, it is soon.
Bunch of dumbs arguing each other which is best.India went for rafalefter d 5 yrs evaluation wid lots of engineers,pilots &think tanks involved in dis.those who says that eurofighter is beter cud be better for those 4 countries as dey dont hav ny hostile neigbor.India has two.Rafale is undoubtedly beter thn EF.Also Dasault's Mirage had been used in Kargil war in 1999 &shown it's superiority.nyone who raise questions on India's decision wud b an asshole. Come fight Indian Air force and taste it.
According to the French Audit Watchdog, the breakeven price of a Rafale including development costs, is 142.3 million euros but India will probably buy the plane for 80 - 87 million euroswhich means the 126 planes will come without the cost of development.
This means the French taxpayer will have to finance the whole of the enormous bill for the Rafale programme as no country in the future will be willing to pay the full cost for this plane.
@sociopath79 Brazilian drivers have preferred the rafale and eliminated others including the typhoon.spain and italy are part of the Eurofighter consortium, why would he test the rafale"? and even if they did, they could not choose the rafale, logic.Lybia has chosen the rafale and fortunately she did not buy!!saudi arabia bowed to the blackmail of baksheesh (bribery) as did the great britain, otherwise, it leaned toward the rafale. true.
@HerculesRockefellerr I am very young in my head, sir, if, for you, wisdom is not to "play" with young people, keep your wisdom warm, at home, and do things "serious" entered wise your age. I prefer playing with the young people who tell us much about our old nonsenses.
@ctulluh50 how old are you ? please . i think you are thirty , thirty five ? it seems you ares too "sérious", the most dangerous people are often those who give lessons in morality to others, it's the same people who organize serious matters like war against the "axis of evil" etc. etc. you know what I mean. well! the burst is best "omnirole" your F22! will play with me! aaahahaha! ahem sorry
@sociopath79 aaah south Korea, the pilots had chosen the rafale but before the enormous American pressure, because the usa are very involved financially, militarily,korean politically selected American aircraft, yet true.
@sociopath79 Sarkozy personally went every where in the world trying to sell it, like obama with hillary clinton in brazil,who came with an aircraft carrier in the Bay of Rio, but they returned empty-handed, the Brazilian preferred the RAFALE,.oooh oh oh ahahah aaaaaah!!!!
@ctulluh50 it is funny how you make up a lie and then you beleive it HAHAHAHA.
Brazil refused after negotiating it, but instead they went to sukhoi and F-18, get your self updated with news youj retarded sucker before writing dumb comments.
look up brazilian X-jetfighter project.
the only one reported brazil will buy rafale is french media while there was no agreement, again another sign of french desperation with rafale, which no one wants it lol.
@Utubeifuwant according to a source indian source rafale costs 25% less for 6000 flight hours as typhoon.il is cheaper maintenance, lower fuel consumption too.
@ctulluh50 I ca'tt comment on these figures as I have no data. the point I was making earlier is that I believe the French tax payer has received terrible value for money regarding the Rafale programme. The Eurofighter programme ensured the orders were in place from the four nations involved before it went ahead. All subsequent export orders are a bonus. The only firm orders the Rafale has is the 180 from the French armed services. This does not justify a 41 bn euro investment.
@ctulluh50 by the way, what you said about South Korea is completely not true, the Korean armed forces use weapons from different sources, the US does not control their purchases as you claimed, korean armed forces use some russian weapons, so if they are under US control as you claimed they wouldn't buy any thing from russia.
the reality no one wants rafale, only india bought because france as so desperate to sell it and they literally paying most of the expense for india lol
@Utubeifuwant In 2011, the rising cost of the Eurofighter Typhoon program has led the UK Ministry of Defence to reduce the target from 232 to 160 aircraft and the British Audit (NAO) estimated that the 160 aircraft of the Royal Air Force will cost 37.1 billion British pounds (43.6 billion euros) it's € 272 million for each of the 160 Eurofighters ordered (+75% of initial cost) , almost double the estimated unit cost of each Rafale (152.3 million euros) according to the French National Audit.
OMG The development costs of the Rafale to date is 43bn Euros (£36bn). The French airforce and navy have 180 planes delivered or on order. This works out at £200m per aircraft - development cost!!! I don't know, but I assume manufacturing costs are on top of this!
The rafale must be the most expensive fighter ever produced. The fly-a-way cost of an F 22 is $150m.
If this happened in the UK there'd be riots in the streets and governments would fall.
@ctulluh50 All these figures can be verified on line.
However, I did quote the price of an F 22 from Wikipedia and I am told this figure is incorrect. I can't find an accurate cost of this plane . Perhaps it is classified.
You make a good argument. It is only fair to appreciate it. Whichever fighter the Indians actually buy will be more than a match for what they might come against.
I am mate. And no worries. I think the Rafale is a good fighter definately. I think that the radar range is very low for such a good piece of kit and would expect the French to address that with urgency. The EF can "apparently" target 6 enemies over the horizon which is why 4 are deemed enough in the Falklands. The EF has been proven in combat so I would suggest it is a close call but I think price is a big moved in this case. Like your point on wars today, very right.
David Cameron said that "Eurofighter is much better than Rafale" and Sarkozy said that "Rafale is far better than Eurofighter"
Anyway, who won the 20 Billion contract with India ? it"s FRANCE, and we will probably win this year in Brazil too. The Eurofighter is built by 4 countries UK, Germany, Spain and Italy, whereas we French, decided to built our own plane without help like we did with our Mirage 2000, our nuclear aircraft carrier or even our spy satelite Helios in order to be independent.
British pilot Peter Collins in flightglobal (2009):
"The classic definitions of aircraft combat roles really do not do justice to this aircraft; the Rafale is Europe's force-multiplying "war-fighter" par excellence. It is simply the best and most complete combat aircraft that I have ever flown. Its operational deployments speak for themselves. If I had to go into combat, on any mission, against anyone, I would, without question, choose the Rafale." All is said...
There seems to be a lot of conflicting data as to which one is better at aerial supremacy as when Singapore tried out the Typhoon and Rafale in a 3-1 test against 3 F-16's the Typhoon passed whilst the Rafale failed.
@tbatallen don't waste your time on him, there is no report from switzerland, since when confential reports are published on internet? LOL.
what is more funny the report is english, i did not know switzerland have english as mother tounge hehe, in another word the french are desperate, becuase all countries around the world refused to buy rafale and prefered EF and the American jets after many tests.
Saudi Arabia Brazil Germany Spain Italy Singapore Korea etc
OMFG :D Which planet do you come from you clown? You don't even realize how much you're making a fool of yourself :D This leaked evaluation report from the Swiss Air Force can be found easily on the Web now, and it is not only the French who talk about it: it is abundantly covered in the SWISS media themselves!!! Just browse the Web and get informed instead of opening your big mouth and showing your incredible stupidity and ignorance. Thanks for the big laugh though :D
China, which borders on India is now deploying the excellent Chengdu J 10 which is more than a match for the 1980's designed Dassault Rafale. To counter this threat, India would need a a lot more powerful and advanced plane like the EF Typhoon, F 15E Strike Eagle or F 35 Lightning.
India take note - the cheapest option can very easily turn out to be the most expensive.
The Swiss are known for their neutrality, so this ranking should speak for itself. Air-air combat (dogfight, interception, air superiority..). Grippen : 5.62/10 F18 Hornet : 6/10 Eurofighter : 6.54 and finally the Rafale : 7.41 ! Check mate. But that doesn't mean Switzerland will buy the Rafale.
Eventuelly Switzerland announced it won't buy the Saab Grippen because the plane has not reached the minimum requirements to protect the country. The wiss made public the test results, showing that the rafale overwhelmed teh Grippen and the Eurofighter. A new contract for the French manufacturer ?
And I don't read any papers from Britain as they tend to be full of xenophobic scare mongering lies. I think you will find both countries have a history of bashing each other adn still do.
Sorry if you thought I was French-bashing. I was mearly pointing out the Brits generally tend to do that and that the Rafale is probably a half decent decision by the Indians. The Typhoon costs a lot more and the Rafale is pretty good and fairly modern. I think the Typhoon is the better aircraft but why buy 10 of the best if you could buy 15 of the almost as good. The single supplier would worry me as a customer. I didn't mention the Olympics.
@Bobble42 Except that the French rafale beat the Eurofighter in any involvement. Yesterday the Swiss released the evaluation of the 2 aircrafts, and the Rafale won in any case : air superiority, agility, ground bombieng, etc. Dassault boys have always made good fighters. The rafale is just the best 4th generation airplane.
@Bobble42 you are honest, but all tests and simulations, and confrontations and commitments in real combat afgan Lybia proves that burst is best for the kinds of wars today, it's not easy to change his convictions but the reality is stubborn!
Snecma shud perhaps give sum thot 2 a 50% higher thrust rating & as wel Thrust-Vectoring-Nozzle(if at all suc nozzle concept's compatible w/delta wings),4 if it is,hopefully Rafy can flip on a dime like d'Su-30MKI/35 Flankr.Tho Typhy has d' mentioned advantages but still it all boils down 2 the pilot's shrewdery,quick thinking,skills & indiginous flight training regimes,w/o wic if given an F22 or Su35,he/she wud stil be easily taken out.Dassault shud've settled 4 F16's canopy or a type similar
Nah,I'll think Rafy is better.Typhy.SHornet,Fulcrm,Eagle,Flankr all seemed to strain muc at Lo level flight,only Rafy,d'F16,Miraj 2K & Raptr duznt.Do dispense d'notion of Warthog's flight characteristics,it's rather quite suicidal,unless if it's a flyable Challenger or Leopard 2,besides targeting a Slo-Lo aircraft is 2 simple evn w/only naked eye.It's bout gettin in & out at quickest possible.In A2A Typhy may win owing 2 better radar & strongr Engins,but Rafy is snappier & equally as maneuvrable
According to the Financial Times of India the Rafale was being offered 25% cheaper than the Euro fighter. This was clearly a win at all costs offer from France to try and save the reputation of their plane after loosing deals with Switzerland and Morocco. They are effectively subsidising India's purchase of their plane to the tune of 2-3 billion $ with full technology transfer and only manufacturing 18 planes themselves. It doesn't sound like a great victory to me.
@Basilona 18 aircrafts represents more than 1 year of work in France, plus all the spares will come from France, creating jobs in the contract manufacturer. Switzerland isn't lost yet ;) about Morroco I think that every french taxpayers should be elated if they really know the goals and the stuff of the contract.
@Basilona There'll always be people bashing about the french, right ? Even in the sector of aircrafts and aerospatial in which France is overall clearly more advanced than Britain. So why diminish that choice ? Anyway the reputation of the Rafale is widely established performance-wise, the choice has been made.
@chrissoubibi I noticed that today. I would love to know what the minimum requirements where given that the Swiss will never need to you it in combat. The most they will ever use their planes for will be tailing passenger aircraft that have been hijacked and the odd fly by to show their tax payers what they have spent their money on.
@chrissoubibi If you look at it on the RAF website its a defencive jet and used as anti air and does so better than the rafale. But If you look at overall the rafale would win but if it was jet vs jet the eurofighter would. It would be easier to compare it to the tornado or the lightning 2 its about equal to the tornado and theoretically the lightning 2 is better but I cant say as it hasnt seen combat experience yet.
@england930 Listen, in every test that was made confronting the Rafale and the Eurofighter, the rafale won. Even in dogfifgths, the Rafale overwhelmed the Eurofighter (4-0, 3-1, 7-0, etc). It can be easily verified (check the news from Switzerland which finallt decided not to buy the Grippen and where teh rafale beat both the Eurofighter and the Grippen). The Rafale is simply the best 4st generation fighter. It's not a surprise since Dassault has always made great fighters.
@chrissoubibi How is the Rafale better the arnment of the eurofighter is better the radar is better the eurofighter would no the rafale is coming before the rafale would no the eurofighter is coming either way they do different roles anyway
@england930 I sent you a link. Switzerland tested the Gripen, Eurofighter and Rafale. The results clear : the Rafale is better in any way than the Eurofighter. And the margin is huge! In air combat, the Eurofighter is no match for the rafale. Plus, the Rafale can target grond units, can wear Nuclear weapons, can land et take off from a carrier. Just check the report and admit the french did a grat job with this machine.
@chrissoubibi I never said the rafale wasnt a great aircraft. on the whole I think it is better than the eurofighter. In an air vs air role though the eurofighter would come out on top. Also the new lightning 2 is coming to the RAF in 2012 and will make an even bigger gap between there air force and frances.
a newly developed, electronically scanned array multi-function radar with synthetic aperture and moving target indicator capabilities.Targeting information can also be supplied by an electro-optical system, which provides long-range detection and precision targeting by employing thermal imaging, laser tracking and marking, and a 360 infrared system. The aircrafts systems will also provide navigation,missile warning and infrared search and track capabilities.
@bingofioul no you idiot its the Lightning 2 also known as F-35. Its by far superior to the Rafale F3+. The F-35 (lightning 2) is the fastest most advanced jet in europe. It comes with different variations the one the UK is going to use is designed to go on our new aircraft carriers aswell as in RAF bases. Why the hell would it be the description of the Rafale F3+
@england930 because it is...no offences but that exactly how the Rafale F3 is described + know that netherland ranked the rafale and f35, the result was : F35 win for...0.02 point..everybody know the F35 program is running the wrong way, even the GB Navy is considering the rent of rafale M waiting for the F35C they've already buy (which arresting hook doesn't work). + The F35 cost is growing faster than all the rafale Upgrade i can ever imagine. but I don't say that The F35 is a crap
@bingofioul The F-35 will hopefully be produced in the UK but the fault has been fixed now. I think the UK should but the rafale if you want my opinion the more types of jets the better it would add to their offencive capability coupled with the tornado would be very effective as it was in libya.
@chrissoubibi Weird comparison .. different roles. Btw, India has made a radar which can target ground as well as air units .. 3d doppler =] .. we buy stuff and we improve it to our liking regarding WHAT IS MISSING ! we are very intelligent AND very LAZY ! we do not reinvent the wheel ! we just modify it to our needs !
@sociopath79 The ignorant guy here is you! Just check the web and its thousand sources : everytime the Rafale was confronted to the Eurofighter, it won! And easily! Lately, Switzerland proved thast fact once again : in Air caombat the Eurofighter is pulverized by the rafale. The F22 is a quagmire : Obama cancelled the production. The F35 is virtual. My advice is that you should check your facts before opening your big mouth. You would have avoided to look and sound like a complete idiot. Peace.
@chrissoubibi french president Sarkozym went all over the world sucking every single dick in the way to sell rafale....Libya, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Brazil, Korea, India, Sweden, Italy etc all of these countries after tests confirmed it is not good LOL
King of bahrain and US general in the wikileaks both called rafale a yesterday's technology HAHAHAHA
Now indian boy go beat your self, you buy russian junk because its the only thing you can afford.
Nothing is more funny than a typhoon fanboy. They are fed up with Typhoon-mafia's propaganda (and their jingoism too) so they are condemned to be desapointed lol The swiss report exist, you can even find it on UKs forums (FighterControl). It's not the first time than Rafale was evaluated as best plane. But a troll can't admit that a deal is not only made about the plane's performances...Oh, yeah, now they admit it because of India. LOL Bunch of hypocrits.
LOL Cameron & others offered dozens of millions£ to India since years for a favourable decision & it failed pathetically. Who sucks who? Check you fuckin' facts! Eurofighter is an unfinished & confused plane, this is why India doesn't rely on it. And India has a real airforce with great pilots. They have a geostrategic situation. They don't need planes to show off like Saudis, if you see what i mean...
@Neroniteegu India buy cheap shit from russia, thats why they bought raphape wich the whole world refused to buy perefered the EF and 35_f, let me guess the whole world is wrong but indians who couldn't afford good weapoins are right? HAHAHAHAHA
@Neroniteegu yeah right, the whole airforces in the world prefered F15, F16, EF F35...all of them!!!...but you still claim rafale is better HAHA
thats really pathetic ans show your desperation, Sarkozy went on world tour sucking every dick in the way to sell it, guess what no one bought? some of them actually prefered retarded russian jets over rafale HAHAHA.
just get over it and accept reality and stop boasting with lies, specially when every one knows it.
Hey, Socio, you're not only stupid, you're very naive too. I know that's very reassuring for you to believe your own bullshits. Do you know how weapons are sold? Do you know something about politic implications, economy, bribery? Do you know that EF was beaten by other planes in a sell? In some case, it was not shortlisted! According to your "logic" (lol), EF is a piece of shit. But i'm wasting my time with you, nobody is more limited and uses more bad faith than an humiliated WASP.
Don't make me laugh with your "Sarko sucks dick". Everybody sucks dicks in this world, time to wake up know. Everybody remember how the big sausage Cameron cried as a nipper saying "Boooo! We sent millions of "aids" to India so they MUST buy our shits" LOL Now, you know how a plane is sold, you stupid. But sometimes those "stimulations" don't work & the" traitors" eventually buy the best one. I know, it's hard to accept it, but hey, be a man!
"International Development Secretary Andrew Mitchell said in December that Britain’s controversial foreign aid programme was partly designed to win the bid.
Britain is sending £280million to India for each of the next four years...The contract was lost despite Government claims that the UK’s £1billion aid package to India would help secure the order." Daily Mail 02/05/2012
All British newspapers criticized this aid vigorously. This "aid" was officially "humanitarian".
@Neroniteegu :: I dont know what kind of aid he is talking about. India might have lot of internal problems like poverty but it's the third strongest economy in the world. It's GDP is growing faster than ever, (except last year).. It could have happened to lure us but didnt work out. Pity on britishers.. I love French... In india also I am working with France Telecom ;)
I don't really know but this "aid" exists according to British press. Many British journalists were angry arguing that "India has more billionaires than UK" which is right. Revival of colonial mindset? Indian officials said they didn't need of this aid. France is now well placed in India (futur 2nd world economical power without any doubt) and they prefer Indians to Chinese by far. British can't stand this, they view India as home & they hysterically hate French since centuries.
Superiority complexe. That's funny because Typhoon is not even Brit! They didn't build a fighter/striker on their own since the 60's with the original but unimpressive Harrier...
Il me semble que le Harrier et sa version embarquée étaient 100% britanniques. C'est le Harrier II (AV-B8) qui a été co-développé avec les Américains. Mais peut-être as-tu d'autres infos...
@himsakhils You should be asking yourself why foriegn governments, mainly the USA, need to send billions in aid to India tohelp the wretched slumdogs to survive while the Indian government wastes billions on fighter jets it will probably never use and a flag waving space programme that will acheive nothing.
@Utubeifuwant:U could've said slum instead of slumdog. I understand how frustrate are you with India's decision. anywayz keep surfing youtube Mr.utube-if-u-want.lolzz.. u wait for someone want you to surf youtube.
@himsakhils I took the term 'slumdog' from the film 'Slumdog Millionaire' and as it is used throughout the film I assumed that was the term used in India for the poor people of the slums.
If I am wrong, I apologies. I did not mean to offend.
What I am saying is that the Indian government should get its priorities right.
@sociopath79 it simply means that david Camerone is a better sucker, ah ah ah ! .the English should buy the RAFY instead of tense up on this error tchnologique: the zerofighter
Anyway, Royal Navy officials actually want Rafale instead of the Fail-35. But british government will never buy it of course, instead they will come back to their last carried fighter, the Seafire ;)
@sociopath79 Get a gf... F22 the best ? it reminds me the ATLC in 2008: Rafale vs F22, 5 draw and only 1 victory for the F22 besides french had the possibilities to shot down F22 with their MICA thanks to the Rafale's FSO but that wasn't declared in the rules of engagement... check the recent itw of french pilot Cpt Romain... EF 5th jet? Let's see: bigger RCA than Rafale, no A2G missions able, no cruise missile, no carrier able, no nuclear strike able... Do u want I go further ?
"Little has been said about the confrontation between the Rafale and F-22. In BRV engagements, F-22 did not even have to turn on their radar, remaining invisible to RBE2 and spectra of the Rafales,while pinpointing the electromagnetic emissions of French fighter, thus securing their firing of AMRAAM from standoff ranges.On at least two occasions, the F-22 were also involved in close combat with Rafales, providing gun kill without much difficulty each time"
@eikkkN See thats the thing...in a real combat situation the F-22 would be launching its AIM-120 missile at the Rafale BRV before the Rafale knew it was there, it would never come to gun combat and you know it. By your own words it was not a realistic simulation.
Dont get me wrong I like the Rafale, its a great multi role fighter and attack plane, but if it was a real life air to air battle against the F-22 the Rafales chances of winning are next to zero.
@HerculesRockefellerr LOL? the Rafale is able to shot down aircrafts beyond its radar range and without the help of its radar thus it stays passive and the F22 can't detect that...
IMO rafale to eurofighter is 0,9:1 euro to su35 is 1:1 f22 is a big question mark as its primary feature the stealth has never been combat proven to assess
unltd679 13 hours ago
The Rafale does not even come close to the Typhoon or the Raptor. Rafale is just a replacement for the old Mirage 2000's. Just look at how many countries use the Typhoon, compared to countries using Rafale.
EkaterinaRukovskaya 1 day ago
@EkaterinaRukovskaya read the leaked swiss airforce report, if you want, and please dont go by media shits man, the reports that are prepared by airforce are much more credible than what media says, Eurofighter could have been if britain would have trusted itself more than USA by providing funds to its plane....as far as The shit F35 is just type pierre sprey in you tube and you would know, or type RAND(the biggest think tank of US) report on F-35 v/s Flanker visual range combat...............
prateekjaiswal1986 1 day ago
@prateekjaiswal1986
I heared the typhoon wich was tested at this swiss report was tranche 1 and the rafale was a F3.
DiggesKnoedel17 12 hours ago
@EkaterinaRukovskaya except producing nations only Austria and Saudis
unltd679 13 hours ago
@EkaterinaRukovskaya how many countries appart from the ones that built it and their lobying at Nato? how many countries uses it outside of Europe? let me answer it for you, it is one Arabie Saudia.
As for the Rafal vs EF shit, they almost identical, they share many compounents (built by Thales or EADS, there is one thing that puts the Rafal ahead of the EF, and it is that the EF is imcomplete, and the first tranche doesn't have many features that are coming in the future
InitialDAmine 9 hours ago
yeah British gave aid to India...and then India bought Corus, Land Rover & Jaguar etc. with that "aid".
PartyAllSeason 1 day ago
@PartyAllSeason These companies are privately owned by tata not Indian government. 90% of indians dont even know about UK Aid because UK spents money through NGO's and dont hand money to Corrupt indian govt.
anick27 1 day ago
Rafale is sexier, can pull higher G's, and is a tad faster with the same payload....
= Rafale > Typhoon
Case Closed
surfgodx 1 day ago
British gave India Aids. :D LMAO..
That is why we bought Rafael...Piss of British pigzzzzz...
KarthikSoun 2 days ago
Eurofighter Typhoon VS Dassault rafale = Rafale won, it is a fact.....kids, stop crying! love you much, anyway.
ctulluh50 5 days ago
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Neroniteegu 5 days ago
Rafale sucks, its as easy as that..
Sterndust 5 days ago
@Sterndust ------Rafale suck, Sarko suck, France suck ---- waow !?
We inspire you so much! I believe you are in love, calm you, kids, you get a lollipop.
ctulluh50 5 days ago
@ctulluh50 I don't know if France suck's, but I know that the Rafale is the best jet in the world.
pakruy 5 days ago
@pakruy The Rafale has too large of a radar cross signature and does not have the best electronics/avionics package in the world and thus cannot be classified "best jet in the world"....
SickKnowledge82 5 days ago
@SickKnowledge82 The Rafale has the best sensors and it also has an OSF, that can identify enemies more than 50km away. Buy the way, the Rafale is the only jet to have an OSF.
pakruy 5 days ago
@Sterndust
Yeah, Rafale will suck the big money from the deal with India; meanwhile, you and the Typhoon will be sucking Rafale's big tail :D
Deck7568 5 days ago
@Deck7568 it's all your imagination that? nothing better ?
ctulluh50 5 days ago
@ctulluh50
Tiens ? A priori, au vu des tes précédents commentaires, j'aurais pas cru que tu serais toi aussi candidat aux baffes de ma part, mais si tu veux vraiment on peut s'amuser... Mais je suis pas sûr que ça va te plaire, c'est pour ça que je préfère attendre une confirmation de ta part.
Deck7568 4 days ago
@Deck7568 ahahah ! sorry friend! it has Sterndust that this message was intended! do not hit me ...
ctulluh50 4 days ago
@ctulluh50 oups! en français pour toi bien sùr. ceci dit c'est pas tes baffes qui m'empècheraient de digérer, mais les miennes te feraient du bien, i think
ctulluh50 4 days ago
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@ctulluh50
"mais les miennes te feraient du bien"
C'est-à-dire ?
Deck7568 4 days ago
@ctulluh50
Ah ok, ça me semble plus logique en effet :)
Deck7568 4 days ago
@Deck7568 on oeuvre pour la même cause, la reconnaissance du génie français , parfois le rafale passe dans nos montagnes vers chez moi , et il passe (relativement discrètement)et j'adoore.
ctulluh50 3 days ago
@ctulluh50
C'est vrai que c'est une superbe bête. Pour ma part, c'est au salon du Bourget que je l'ai vu (et aussi une fois au salon de Farnborough). Là, il n'est pas discret du tout :) Personnellement, je lui trouve un air particulièrement félin, et même si j'aime beaucoup le nom "Rafale", qui claque bien, je trouve qu'un nom de félin lui aurait été parfaitement adapté (mais ça aurait été moins original).
Deck7568 3 days ago
@Deck7568 " Jaguar" lui serait allé comme un gant, en effet l'animal chasse , a des griffes et des crocs redoutables, il grimpe aux arbres et saute sur une proie, il nage bref il est omnirôle.et il est magnifique. et il peut etre discret, ou trés fort .
ctulluh50 2 days ago
@ctulluh50
D'ailleurs, dans la vidéo où on le voit au Tiger Meet 2009 en Belgique, je lui trouve un air particulièrement redoutable et il est tout à fait dans son élément...
Deck7568 3 days ago
@Deck7568 oui je viens de la regarder , il est terriblement beau , de face et puis il avance lentement passe devant nous , magnifique. on dit que l'EF est tellement laid qu'il fera peur a l'ennemi et s'enfuira, je pense que le Raf est tellement beau que l'ennemi ne voudra pas l'esquinter, et le protegera. ahahah!
ctulluh50 2 days ago
wow sociopath! you just prove your stupid anti-French hatred, unnecessary as the Rafale has won the unanimous support of those who "try. Learn to read the real news, and especially ... treat you.
ctulluh50 5 days ago
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Doesn't help if the Rafale pilot surrenders before he even gets in the cockpit...
Silly frenchies.
otester 5 days ago
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The firm decision on the fighter has yet to be set in stone, but it looks like the Rafale will arm India and Brazil’s air forces for the next few years.
ctulluh50 1 week ago 6
@ctulluh50 This wouldn't be because they have let them pay over a 25 year period would it...?
vonsmith 5 days ago
@ctulluh50
Looks like the British and French are getting better ties on all fronts. French are building the cores and the Brits the rest for our new nuclear power plants.
@himsakhils
The Mirage was good but was unable to inflict a single casulty on the Harrier force in the Falklands war. I think we would all agree the Rafale would be more than good enough to defend India.
Bobble42 1 week ago
@Bobble42 During Faklands argentines had Mirage 3 and not Mirage 2000 besides their mirages were outdated in term of technology.
eikkkN 1 week ago
@Bobble42 the Sea Harriers and Mirage 3 does not want to fight in the opponent's best altitude, mirages are looking down the harriers, but the Harriers were in their altitude.
ctulluh50 1 week ago
@Bobble42 the English and French are the best enemy of the world (in France they say "enemy brothers"), if we were so proud, we would build a lot, as a channel tunnel, what!? it is already doing! .. well then, the highest bridge in the world! what? it is already doing! hem! an ultra modern gigantic aircraft carrier! what? .....
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Neroniteegu 6 days ago
@Bobble42:: depends a lot on pilots and the level of morale in them as well :).. We cant solely depend on fighter jets.
himsakhils 4 days ago
more lamest music can you choose /??? lmfao
icemangtr1 1 week ago 9
ANY ONE..WHICH OUT OF THE 2 HAS A BETTER ENGINE?
MySholey 1 week ago
@MySholey I think I understand your question (I do not speak English) the M88 is very compact and very little greedy, but I think the English are more powerful engines, the English are strong engines, fortunately the M88 which will push 9 tons without post combustion, it is soon.
ctulluh50 1 week ago
@MySholey what google translated makes no sense, sorry
ctulluh50 1 week ago
Bunch of dumbs arguing each other which is best.India went for rafalefter d 5 yrs evaluation wid lots of engineers,pilots &think tanks involved in dis.those who says that eurofighter is beter cud be better for those 4 countries as dey dont hav ny hostile neigbor.India has two.Rafale is undoubtedly beter thn EF.Also Dasault's Mirage had been used in Kargil war in 1999 &shown it's superiority.nyone who raise questions on India's decision wud b an asshole. Come fight Indian Air force and taste it.
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The Sunday Guardian, Feb. 17th.
According to the French Audit Watchdog, the breakeven price of a Rafale including development costs, is 142.3 million euros but India will probably buy the plane for 80 - 87 million euroswhich means the 126 planes will come without the cost of development.
This means the French taxpayer will have to finance the whole of the enormous bill for the Rafale programme as no country in the future will be willing to pay the full cost for this plane.
Utubeifuwant 1 week ago 3
@Utubeifuwant I would pay no problem !
ctulluh50 1 week ago
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@Utubeifuwant of course it is shit aircraft, Sarkozy personally went every where in the world trying to sell it, you jst name it!.
Libya, Brazil, Singapore, Turkey, Italy, Spain, Saudi Arabia, South Korea etc
al of them after testing the aircraft refused it, they prefered EF typhoon, F-16, F-15, F-35
the only one who will buy this are indians because they can't afford any thing else, all they can afford is soviet junk.
sociopath79 1 week ago
@sociopath79 Brazilian drivers have preferred the rafale and eliminated others including the typhoon.spain and italy are part of the Eurofighter consortium, why would he test the rafale"? and even if they did, they could not choose the rafale, logic.Lybia has chosen the rafale and fortunately she did not buy!!saudi arabia bowed to the blackmail of baksheesh (bribery) as did the great britain, otherwise, it leaned toward the rafale. true.
ctulluh50 1 week ago
@ctulluh50 If you really are 53 like your profile says its kinda sad you are on here having a dick measuring contest with teengers over fighter jets
HerculesRockefellerr 4 days ago
@HerculesRockefellerr I am very young in my head, sir, if, for you, wisdom is not to "play" with young people, keep your wisdom warm, at home, and do things "serious" entered wise your age. I prefer playing with the young people who tell us much about our old nonsenses.
ctulluh50 4 days ago
@ctulluh50 how old are you ? please . i think you are thirty , thirty five ? it seems you ares too "sérious", the most dangerous people are often those who give lessons in morality to others, it's the same people who organize serious matters like war against the "axis of evil" etc. etc. you know what I mean. well! the burst is best "omnirole" your F22! will play with me! aaahahaha! ahem sorry
ctulluh50 4 days ago
@ctulluh50 burst = Rafale ( the google translator, is a comic, him )
ctulluh50 4 days ago
@sociopath79 aaah south Korea, the pilots had chosen the rafale but before the enormous American pressure, because the usa are very involved financially, militarily,korean politically selected American aircraft, yet true.
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HerculesRockefellerr 4 days ago
@sociopath79 same for singapore and for turkey ,it is the same usa pressure,the Americans are very involved in turkey, strategic countrie.
ctulluh50 1 week ago
@sociopath79 Sarkozy personally went every where in the world trying to sell it, like obama with hillary clinton in brazil,who came with an aircraft carrier in the Bay of Rio, but they returned empty-handed, the Brazilian preferred the RAFALE,.oooh oh oh ahahah aaaaaah!!!!
ctulluh50 1 week ago
@sociopath79 very recent "Brazil just confirmed he wants to study the purchase of 35 rafales to start". SOME TEA ?!
ctulluh50 1 week ago
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@sociopath79 very recent "Brazil just confirmed he wants to study the purchase of 35 rafales to start". SOME TEA ?!
ctulluh50 1 week ago
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@sociopath79 very recent "Brazil just confirmed he wants to study the purchase of 35 rafales, to start". SOME TEA ?!
ctulluh50 1 week ago
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@sociopath79 very recent "Brazil just confirmed he wants to study the purchase of 35 rafales, to start". SOME TEA ?!
ctulluh50 1 week ago
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@sociopath79 very recent "Brazil just confirmed he wants to study the purchase of 35 rafales to start". SOME TEA ?!
ctulluh50 1 week ago
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@sociopath79 very recent "Brazil just confirmed he wants to study the purchase of 35 rafales to start". SOME TEA ?!
ctulluh50 1 week ago
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@sociopath79 very recent "Brazil just confirmed he wants to study the purchase of 35 rafales to start". SOME TEA ?!
ctulluh50 1 week ago
@ctulluh50 it is funny how you make up a lie and then you beleive it HAHAHAHA.
Brazil refused after negotiating it, but instead they went to sukhoi and F-18, get your self updated with news youj retarded sucker before writing dumb comments.
look up brazilian X-jetfighter project.
the only one reported brazil will buy rafale is french media while there was no agreement, again another sign of french desperation with rafale, which no one wants it lol.
sociopath79 5 days ago
@sociopath79 Now I understand why your name is "sociopath", it is treatable boy!
ctulluh50 1 week ago
@Utubeifuwant according to a source indian source rafale costs 25% less for 6000 flight hours as typhoon.il is cheaper maintenance, lower fuel consumption too.
ctulluh50 1 week ago
@ctulluh50 I ca'tt comment on these figures as I have no data. the point I was making earlier is that I believe the French tax payer has received terrible value for money regarding the Rafale programme. The Eurofighter programme ensured the orders were in place from the four nations involved before it went ahead. All subsequent export orders are a bonus. The only firm orders the Rafale has is the 180 from the French armed services. This does not justify a 41 bn euro investment.
Utubeifuwant 1 week ago
@Utubeifuwant may be , may be , i don't know
ctulluh50 1 week ago
@Utubeifuwant , and a Eurofighter Typhoon cost 270 millions € and was propose at 90 millions € to India... your argument is a fake
XBotticelli 1 week ago
@XBotticelli +1
ctulluh50 1 week ago
@ctulluh50 by the way, what you said about South Korea is completely not true, the Korean armed forces use weapons from different sources, the US does not control their purchases as you claimed, korean armed forces use some russian weapons, so if they are under US control as you claimed they wouldn't buy any thing from russia.
the reality no one wants rafale, only india bought because france as so desperate to sell it and they literally paying most of the expense for india lol
sociopath79 5 days ago
@sociopath79 oh yes ! it is truth, ------- some wine ?
ctulluh50 5 days ago
@ctulluh50 another thing funny, is how you spam comments, to make other people comments disappear HAHAHAHA
another sign of french desperation i beleive you are the same person earilier with multi accounts giving him self thumbs up with shit LOL.
you are just another french idiot and a lair nothing more.
sociopath79 5 days ago
@XBotticelli Explain where you get your figures from
Utubeifuwant 6 days ago
@Utubeifuwant In 2011, the rising cost of the Eurofighter Typhoon program has led the UK Ministry of Defence to reduce the target from 232 to 160 aircraft and the British Audit (NAO) estimated that the 160 aircraft of the Royal Air Force will cost 37.1 billion British pounds (43.6 billion euros) it's € 272 million for each of the 160 Eurofighters ordered (+75% of initial cost) , almost double the estimated unit cost of each Rafale (152.3 million euros) according to the French National Audit.
XBotticelli 6 days ago
@Utubeifuwant -----the GUARDIAN ?! no comments
ctulluh50 1 week ago
OMG The development costs of the Rafale to date is 43bn Euros (£36bn). The French airforce and navy have 180 planes delivered or on order. This works out at £200m per aircraft - development cost!!! I don't know, but I assume manufacturing costs are on top of this!
The rafale must be the most expensive fighter ever produced. The fly-a-way cost of an F 22 is $150m.
If this happened in the UK there'd be riots in the streets and governments would fall.
Utubeifuwant 1 week ago
@Utubeifuwant hahaha! you are a magician with numbers, what a joke.
ctulluh50 1 week ago
@ctulluh50 All these figures can be verified on line.
However, I did quote the price of an F 22 from Wikipedia and I am told this figure is incorrect. I can't find an accurate cost of this plane . Perhaps it is classified.
Utubeifuwant 1 week ago
@ctulluh50
You make a good argument. It is only fair to appreciate it. Whichever fighter the Indians actually buy will be more than a match for what they might come against.
Bobble42 1 week ago
@Bobble42 just a little crazy! a rafale with two engines typhoons?! ahhaaah
ctulluh50 1 week ago
@ctulluh50
I am mate. And no worries. I think the Rafale is a good fighter definately. I think that the radar range is very low for such a good piece of kit and would expect the French to address that with urgency. The EF can "apparently" target 6 enemies over the horizon which is why 4 are deemed enough in the Falklands. The EF has been proven in combat so I would suggest it is a close call but I think price is a big moved in this case. Like your point on wars today, very right.
Bobble42 1 week ago
@Bobble42 everyone has an opinion when called with respect I do not insist!
ctulluh50 1 week ago
eurofighters better
at getting shot down.
iamgig9876 1 week ago
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David Cameron said that "Eurofighter is much better than Rafale" and Sarkozy said that "Rafale is far better than Eurofighter"
Anyway, who won the 20 Billion contract with India ? it"s FRANCE, and we will probably win this year in Brazil too. The Eurofighter is built by 4 countries UK, Germany, Spain and Italy, whereas we French, decided to built our own plane without help like we did with our Mirage 2000, our nuclear aircraft carrier or even our spy satelite Helios in order to be independent.
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British pilot Peter Collins in flightglobal (2009):
"The classic definitions of aircraft combat roles really do not do justice to this aircraft; the Rafale is Europe's force-multiplying "war-fighter" par excellence. It is simply the best and most complete combat aircraft that I have ever flown. Its operational deployments speak for themselves. If I had to go into combat, on any mission, against anyone, I would, without question, choose the Rafale." All is said...
ctulluh50 1 week ago
There seems to be a lot of conflicting data as to which one is better at aerial supremacy as when Singapore tried out the Typhoon and Rafale in a 3-1 test against 3 F-16's the Typhoon passed whilst the Rafale failed.
tbatallen 1 week ago
@tbatallen don't waste your time on him, there is no report from switzerland, since when confential reports are published on internet? LOL.
what is more funny the report is english, i did not know switzerland have english as mother tounge hehe, in another word the french are desperate, becuase all countries around the world refused to buy rafale and prefered EF and the American jets after many tests.
Saudi Arabia Brazil Germany Spain Italy Singapore Korea etc
sociopath79 1 week ago
@sociopath79
OMFG :D Which planet do you come from you clown? You don't even realize how much you're making a fool of yourself :D This leaked evaluation report from the Swiss Air Force can be found easily on the Web now, and it is not only the French who talk about it: it is abundantly covered in the SWISS media themselves!!! Just browse the Web and get informed instead of opening your big mouth and showing your incredible stupidity and ignorance. Thanks for the big laugh though :D
Deck7568 1 week ago
China, which borders on India is now deploying the excellent Chengdu J 10 which is more than a match for the 1980's designed Dassault Rafale. To counter this threat, India would need a a lot more powerful and advanced plane like the EF Typhoon, F 15E Strike Eagle or F 35 Lightning.
India take note - the cheapest option can very easily turn out to be the most expensive.
Utubeifuwant 1 week ago
@Utubeifuwant if its made in china it cant fight, a collaborated scientific law explained by the string theory..
iamgig9876 1 week ago
@iamgig9876 I did not understand everything but I feel much humor as I like! ahahah!
ctulluh50 1 week ago
The Swiss are known for their neutrality, so this ranking should speak for itself. Air-air combat (dogfight, interception, air superiority..). Grippen : 5.62/10 F18 Hornet : 6/10 Eurofighter : 6.54 and finally the Rafale : 7.41 ! Check mate. But that doesn't mean Switzerland will buy the Rafale.
chrissoubibi 1 week ago
Eventuelly Switzerland announced it won't buy the Saab Grippen because the plane has not reached the minimum requirements to protect the country. The wiss made public the test results, showing that the rafale overwhelmed teh Grippen and the Eurofighter. A new contract for the French manufacturer ?
chrissoubibi 1 week ago
Thank you India for having chosen Rafale! :) It was obviously the best choice and now its qualities are better known
tomletom 1 week ago
So, again, overall Rafale is a bit better than eurofither, and even in Air to Air. But this doesn't mean Typhoon is a bad fighter.
tomletom 1 week ago
From ww w.lematin.ch/suisse/standard/Ce-quUeli-Maurer-a-cache/story/13757863
tomletom 1 week ago
Look at this:
SWISS TECHNICAL EVALUATION LEAKED :
files.newsnetz.ch/upload//1/2/12332.pdf
The myth that the EF is better in A2A is totally busted in the above report
tomletom 1 week ago
@bennyfromthe72
And I don't read any papers from Britain as they tend to be full of xenophobic scare mongering lies. I think you will find both countries have a history of bashing each other adn still do.
Bobble42 1 week ago
@bennyfromthe72
Sorry if you thought I was French-bashing. I was mearly pointing out the Brits generally tend to do that and that the Rafale is probably a half decent decision by the Indians. The Typhoon costs a lot more and the Rafale is pretty good and fairly modern. I think the Typhoon is the better aircraft but why buy 10 of the best if you could buy 15 of the almost as good. The single supplier would worry me as a customer. I didn't mention the Olympics.
Bobble42 1 week ago
@Bobble42 Except that the French rafale beat the Eurofighter in any involvement. Yesterday the Swiss released the evaluation of the 2 aircrafts, and the Rafale won in any case : air superiority, agility, ground bombieng, etc. Dassault boys have always made good fighters. The rafale is just the best 4th generation airplane.
chrissoubibi 1 week ago
@Bobble42 you are honest, but all tests and simulations, and confrontations and commitments in real combat afgan Lybia proves that burst is best for the kinds of wars today, it's not easy to change his convictions but the reality is stubborn!
ctulluh50 1 week ago
@Bobble42 burst = rafale by translater
ctulluh50 1 week ago
Whats the song before the "Fireee!!!""
TheEpicNacho1 1 week ago
Snecma shud perhaps give sum thot 2 a 50% higher thrust rating & as wel Thrust-Vectoring-Nozzle(if at all suc nozzle concept's compatible w/delta wings),4 if it is,hopefully Rafy can flip on a dime like d'Su-30MKI/35 Flankr.Tho Typhy has d' mentioned advantages but still it all boils down 2 the pilot's shrewdery,quick thinking,skills & indiginous flight training regimes,w/o wic if given an F22 or Su35,he/she wud stil be easily taken out.Dassault shud've settled 4 F16's canopy or a type similar
beaggyboy 2 weeks ago
Nah,I'll think Rafy is better.Typhy.SHornet,Fulcrm,Eagle,Flankr all seemed to strain muc at Lo level flight,only Rafy,d'F16,Miraj 2K & Raptr duznt.Do dispense d'notion of Warthog's flight characteristics,it's rather quite suicidal,unless if it's a flyable Challenger or Leopard 2,besides targeting a Slo-Lo aircraft is 2 simple evn w/only naked eye.It's bout gettin in & out at quickest possible.In A2A Typhy may win owing 2 better radar & strongr Engins,but Rafy is snappier & equally as maneuvrable
beaggyboy 2 weeks ago
According to the Financial Times of India the Rafale was being offered 25% cheaper than the Euro fighter. This was clearly a win at all costs offer from France to try and save the reputation of their plane after loosing deals with Switzerland and Morocco. They are effectively subsidising India's purchase of their plane to the tune of 2-3 billion $ with full technology transfer and only manufacturing 18 planes themselves. It doesn't sound like a great victory to me.
Basilona 2 weeks ago
@Basilona 18 aircrafts represents more than 1 year of work in France, plus all the spares will come from France, creating jobs in the contract manufacturer. Switzerland isn't lost yet ;) about Morroco I think that every french taxpayers should be elated if they really know the goals and the stuff of the contract.
eikkkN 2 weeks ago
@Basilona There'll always be people bashing about the french, right ? Even in the sector of aircrafts and aerospatial in which France is overall clearly more advanced than Britain. So why diminish that choice ? Anyway the reputation of the Rafale is widely established performance-wise, the choice has been made.
bennyfromthe72 1 week ago
@Basilona Switzerland will probably choose the rafale. The Saab Grippen failed with the minimum basis ;-)
chrissoubibi 1 week ago
@chrissoubibi I noticed that today. I would love to know what the minimum requirements where given that the Swiss will never need to you it in combat. The most they will ever use their planes for will be tailing passenger aircraft that have been hijacked and the odd fly by to show their tax payers what they have spent their money on.
Basilona 1 week ago
@sharpanator Just google "ATLC 2008"
eikkkN 2 weeks ago
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The Eurofighter still can't target ground units and will never be able to land on a carrier. This is enough to diqualify it.
chrissoubibi 2 weeks ago 2
@chrissoubibi If you look at it on the RAF website its a defencive jet and used as anti air and does so better than the rafale. But If you look at overall the rafale would win but if it was jet vs jet the eurofighter would. It would be easier to compare it to the tornado or the lightning 2 its about equal to the tornado and theoretically the lightning 2 is better but I cant say as it hasnt seen combat experience yet.
england930 2 weeks ago
@england930 Listen, in every test that was made confronting the Rafale and the Eurofighter, the rafale won. Even in dogfifgths, the Rafale overwhelmed the Eurofighter (4-0, 3-1, 7-0, etc). It can be easily verified (check the news from Switzerland which finallt decided not to buy the Grippen and where teh rafale beat both the Eurofighter and the Grippen). The Rafale is simply the best 4st generation fighter. It's not a surprise since Dassault has always made great fighters.
chrissoubibi 1 week ago
@chrissoubibi How is the Rafale better the arnment of the eurofighter is better the radar is better the eurofighter would no the rafale is coming before the rafale would no the eurofighter is coming either way they do different roles anyway
england930 1 week ago
@england930 I sent you a link. Switzerland tested the Gripen, Eurofighter and Rafale. The results clear : the Rafale is better in any way than the Eurofighter. And the margin is huge! In air combat, the Eurofighter is no match for the rafale. Plus, the Rafale can target grond units, can wear Nuclear weapons, can land et take off from a carrier. Just check the report and admit the french did a grat job with this machine.
chrissoubibi 1 week ago
@chrissoubibi I never said the rafale wasnt a great aircraft. on the whole I think it is better than the eurofighter. In an air vs air role though the eurofighter would come out on top. Also the new lightning 2 is coming to the RAF in 2012 and will make an even bigger gap between there air force and frances.
england930 1 week ago
@england930 can you tell more about the "new lightning 2" ?
bingofioul 1 week ago
@bingofioul The radar.
a newly developed, electronically scanned array multi-function radar with synthetic aperture and moving target indicator capabilities.Targeting information can also be supplied by an electro-optical system, which provides long-range detection and precision targeting by employing thermal imaging, laser tracking and marking, and a 360 infrared system. The aircrafts systems will also provide navigation,missile warning and infrared search and track capabilities.
england930 1 week ago
@england930 mhh...that's the description of a RAFALE F3+
bingofioul 1 week ago
@bingofioul no you idiot its the Lightning 2 also known as F-35. Its by far superior to the Rafale F3+. The F-35 (lightning 2) is the fastest most advanced jet in europe. It comes with different variations the one the UK is going to use is designed to go on our new aircraft carriers aswell as in RAF bases. Why the hell would it be the description of the Rafale F3+
england930 1 week ago
@england930 because it is...no offences but that exactly how the Rafale F3 is described + know that netherland ranked the rafale and f35, the result was : F35 win for...0.02 point..everybody know the F35 program is running the wrong way, even the GB Navy is considering the rent of rafale M waiting for the F35C they've already buy (which arresting hook doesn't work). + The F35 cost is growing faster than all the rafale Upgrade i can ever imagine. but I don't say that The F35 is a crap
bingofioul 1 week ago
@bingofioul The F-35 will hopefully be produced in the UK but the fault has been fixed now. I think the UK should but the rafale if you want my opinion the more types of jets the better it would add to their offencive capability coupled with the tornado would be very effective as it was in libya.
england930 1 week ago
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@bingofioul Engines: Pratt & Whitney F-135 turbofanThrust: 37000lbsMax
speed: 1.6 mach at low altitude I dont no what it is for middle/ high altitude but its supposed to be the fastest in the EU.
Length: 15.7m
Max altitude: 50,000ft
Span: 13.11m
Aircrew: 1
Armament: Paveway IV, AMRAAM, ASRAAM
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england930 1 week ago
@chrissoubibi Weird comparison .. different roles. Btw, India has made a radar which can target ground as well as air units .. 3d doppler =] .. we buy stuff and we improve it to our liking regarding WHAT IS MISSING ! we are very intelligent AND very LAZY ! we do not reinvent the wheel ! we just modify it to our needs !
DaSnipy 1 week ago
@chrissoubibi you are incredibly ignorant kiddo.
there are special aircrafts for carriers, F-22 is the best Jet Fighter in history it can't land on air carriers.
Rafael is yesterdays technology EF typhoon is the only jet in the world thats 5th generation fighter with F-35 and F-22.
get some education son, you are a good example why indians are a universal symbol for stupidity and ignorance.
sociopath79 1 week ago
@sociopath79 The ignorant guy here is you! Just check the web and its thousand sources : everytime the Rafale was confronted to the Eurofighter, it won! And easily! Lately, Switzerland proved thast fact once again : in Air caombat the Eurofighter is pulverized by the rafale. The F22 is a quagmire : Obama cancelled the production. The F35 is virtual. My advice is that you should check your facts before opening your big mouth. You would have avoided to look and sound like a complete idiot. Peace.
chrissoubibi 1 week ago
@chrissoubibi french president Sarkozym went all over the world sucking every single dick in the way to sell rafale....Libya, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Brazil, Korea, India, Sweden, Italy etc all of these countries after tests confirmed it is not good LOL
King of bahrain and US general in the wikileaks both called rafale a yesterday's technology HAHAHAHA
Now indian boy go beat your self, you buy russian junk because its the only thing you can afford.
get education son
sociopath79 1 week ago
@sociopath79
Nothing is more funny than a typhoon fanboy. They are fed up with Typhoon-mafia's propaganda (and their jingoism too) so they are condemned to be desapointed lol The swiss report exist, you can even find it on UKs forums (FighterControl). It's not the first time than Rafale was evaluated as best plane. But a troll can't admit that a deal is not only made about the plane's performances...Oh, yeah, now they admit it because of India. LOL Bunch of hypocrits.
Neroniteegu 1 week ago
@sociopath79
LOL Cameron & others offered dozens of millions£ to India since years for a favourable decision & it failed pathetically. Who sucks who? Check you fuckin' facts! Eurofighter is an unfinished & confused plane, this is why India doesn't rely on it. And India has a real airforce with great pilots. They have a geostrategic situation. They don't need planes to show off like Saudis, if you see what i mean...
Neroniteegu 1 week ago
@Neroniteegu India buy cheap shit from russia, thats why they bought raphape wich the whole world refused to buy perefered the EF and 35_f, let me guess the whole world is wrong but indians who couldn't afford good weapoins are right? HAHAHAHAHA
go fuck yourself in the ass frenchie
sociopath79 1 week ago
@sociopath79
I don't need to be pathetically agressive for knowing how Rafale & EF were evaluated by the foreign armies.
Invariably:
1. Rafale
2. Typhoon
Equal to F-35 according to Dutch evaluation (F-35 = 6,97 Rafale = 6,95......Typhoon 5,83 huhuhu).
I know, truth hurts. But you can't change reality with pitiful anti-french feelings & a laughable jingoism.
Deal with it.......Or die.
Neroniteegu 6 days ago 11
@Neroniteegu
+ 1000...
I love this "sociopath79" clown, he is priceless :D
Deck7568 6 days ago
@Neroniteegu yeah right, the whole airforces in the world prefered F15, F16, EF F35...all of them!!!...but you still claim rafale is better HAHA
thats really pathetic ans show your desperation, Sarkozy went on world tour sucking every dick in the way to sell it, guess what no one bought? some of them actually prefered retarded russian jets over rafale HAHAHA.
just get over it and accept reality and stop boasting with lies, specially when every one knows it.
sociopath79 5 days ago
Hey, Socio, you're not only stupid, you're very naive too. I know that's very reassuring for you to believe your own bullshits. Do you know how weapons are sold? Do you know something about politic implications, economy, bribery? Do you know that EF was beaten by other planes in a sell? In some case, it was not shortlisted! According to your "logic" (lol), EF is a piece of shit. But i'm wasting my time with you, nobody is more limited and uses more bad faith than an humiliated WASP.
Neroniteegu 5 days ago
@sociopath79
Don't make me laugh with your "Sarko sucks dick". Everybody sucks dicks in this world, time to wake up know. Everybody remember how the big sausage Cameron cried as a nipper saying "Boooo! We sent millions of "aids" to India so they MUST buy our shits" LOL Now, you know how a plane is sold, you stupid. But sometimes those "stimulations" don't work & the" traitors" eventually buy the best one. I know, it's hard to accept it, but hey, be a man!
Neroniteegu 5 days ago 3
dude India went ahead wid Rafale.it's nice.I do have faith on dassault as IAF has already usd Mirage2000 successfully in Kargil war.
But cud u xplain whn did UK sent millionsaids to India
himsakhils 5 days ago 5
@himsakhils
"International Development Secretary Andrew Mitchell said in December that Britain’s controversial foreign aid programme was partly designed to win the bid.
Britain is sending £280million to India for each of the next four years...The contract was lost despite Government claims that the UK’s £1billion aid package to India would help secure the order." Daily Mail 02/05/2012
All British newspapers criticized this aid vigorously. This "aid" was officially "humanitarian".
Neroniteegu 5 days ago
@Neroniteegu :: I dont know what kind of aid he is talking about. India might have lot of internal problems like poverty but it's the third strongest economy in the world. It's GDP is growing faster than ever, (except last year).. It could have happened to lure us but didnt work out. Pity on britishers.. I love French... In india also I am working with France Telecom ;)
himsakhils 4 days ago
I don't really know but this "aid" exists according to British press. Many British journalists were angry arguing that "India has more billionaires than UK" which is right. Revival of colonial mindset? Indian officials said they didn't need of this aid. France is now well placed in India (futur 2nd world economical power without any doubt) and they prefer Indians to Chinese by far. British can't stand this, they view India as home & they hysterically hate French since centuries.
Neroniteegu 4 days ago
@Neroniteegu Totally true, it seems the brits still think India is a colony...
eikkkN 4 days ago
@eikkkN
Superiority complexe. That's funny because Typhoon is not even Brit! They didn't build a fighter/striker on their own since the 60's with the original but unimpressive Harrier...
Neroniteegu 3 days ago
@Neroniteegu
Still, the Harrier was a common development with the US (can't remember thou if it was Boeing or Lockheed)
chenoir 3 days ago
@chenoir
Il me semble que le Harrier et sa version embarquée étaient 100% britanniques. C'est le Harrier II (AV-B8) qui a été co-développé avec les Américains. Mais peut-être as-tu d'autres infos...
Neroniteegu 2 days ago
@himsakhils You should be asking yourself why foriegn governments, mainly the USA, need to send billions in aid to India tohelp the wretched slumdogs to survive while the Indian government wastes billions on fighter jets it will probably never use and a flag waving space programme that will acheive nothing.
Utubeifuwant 11 hours ago
@Utubeifuwant:U could've said slum instead of slumdog. I understand how frustrate are you with India's decision. anywayz keep surfing youtube Mr.utube-if-u-want.lolzz.. u wait for someone want you to surf youtube.
himsakhils 10 hours ago
@himsakhils I took the term 'slumdog' from the film 'Slumdog Millionaire' and as it is used throughout the film I assumed that was the term used in India for the poor people of the slums.
If I am wrong, I apologies. I did not mean to offend.
What I am saying is that the Indian government should get its priorities right.
Utubeifuwant 8 hours ago
@sociopath79 it simply means that david Camerone is a better sucker, ah ah ah ! .the English should buy the RAFY instead of tense up on this error tchnologique: the zerofighter
ctulluh50 1 week ago
@ctulluh50
EuroFAILter...
Anyway, Royal Navy officials actually want Rafale instead of the Fail-35. But british government will never buy it of course, instead they will come back to their last carried fighter, the Seafire ;)
chenoir 1 week ago
@chenoir The Seafire? I wish!!!
The most beautiful plane ever made!
That would blast the Rafale out of the skies, no problem.
I can hear the 1500hp Merlin rumbling away ready for takeoff now!
Utubeifuwant 1 week ago
@chenoir oui j'ai appris ça quelque part, quel pied si ça se faisait, des rafales anglais , ça me fait tout drole,
ctulluh50 1 week ago
@ctulluh50
Oui mais il faudrait quand même pas donner aux anglais de vrais avions, ils ont déja un sacré complexe de supériorité ca risquerait de l'aggraver.
chenoir 1 week ago
@sociopath79 you're just a troll
chrissoubibi 1 week ago
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@sociopath79 Get a gf... F22 the best ? it reminds me the ATLC in 2008: Rafale vs F22, 5 draw and only 1 victory for the F22 besides french had the possibilities to shot down F22 with their MICA thanks to the Rafale's FSO but that wasn't declared in the rules of engagement... check the recent itw of french pilot Cpt Romain... EF 5th jet? Let's see: bigger RCA than Rafale, no A2G missions able, no cruise missile, no carrier able, no nuclear strike able... Do u want I go further ?
eikkkN 1 week ago 4
@eikkkN Thats the cutest thing Ive heard all day...and Ive been watching cat videos
HerculesRockefellerr 1 week ago
@eikkkN French Weekly Air&cosmos:
"Little has been said about the confrontation between the Rafale and F-22. In BRV engagements, F-22 did not even have to turn on their radar, remaining invisible to RBE2 and spectra of the Rafales,while pinpointing the electromagnetic emissions of French fighter, thus securing their firing of AMRAAM from standoff ranges.On at least two occasions, the F-22 were also involved in close combat with Rafales, providing gun kill without much difficulty each time"
HerculesRockefellerr 1 week ago
@HerculesRockefellerr Strange, it was only a gun combat and SPECTRA wasn't activated.
eikkkN 1 week ago
@eikkkN See thats the thing...in a real combat situation the F-22 would be launching its AIM-120 missile at the Rafale BRV before the Rafale knew it was there, it would never come to gun combat and you know it. By your own words it was not a realistic simulation.
Dont get me wrong I like the Rafale, its a great multi role fighter and attack plane, but if it was a real life air to air battle against the F-22 the Rafales chances of winning are next to zero.
HerculesRockefellerr 1 week ago
@HerculesRockefellerr LOL? the Rafale is able to shot down aircrafts beyond its radar range and without the help of its radar thus it stays passive and the F22 can't detect that...
eikkkN 1 week ago
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@eikkkN "Rafale is able to shot down aircrafts beyond its radar range and without the help of its radar"
...LOL
HerculesRockefellerr 1 week ago