Bong Sau and forms: Apply it

[fightmate]

man I just love listening to him, his such a dam cool instructor

[wingchundragon]

he has a point with doing the bon sao against a taller person..but I'd rather bil sao and a kick to the nuts will work

[squaresphere]

Good advice on application. Forms are only your library for techniques, ie just a way to remember the motions.

[kamyad]

at least this guy is wise enough to demonstrate and highlight the limilations of the wing chun system....

[shuyin131]

It's not a limitation of the wing chun system! he is teaching you that each situation is different and you use different tools to deal with it. Bong Sau certainly deflects an opponents punch, but against a taller person, you would tan sau or bil sau, disengage into a Bong Sau and go into whatever you want, Lap Sau for instance.

[usquanigo]

@shuyin131 Exactly. Being a system designed for a woman to use against a man, it is built around a smaller, lighter, weaker opponent taking on a bigger, heavier, stronger one, and using techniques to deal with it.

Limitations are not in the system (any system), they are in the student.

[wingchunjourney]

The other thing to keep in mind is that in application, bong sau ideally should not be used as a primary deflection. Bong sau is more of a transition movement. For example, if you deflect with a Tan Sau or Biu Sau, and as it starts to collapse, transition to Bong Sau and into your next move. Not as three separate moves, but in one smooth motion, or a 1.5 beat motion.

[pajaroborracho]

I appreciate the vids thanks i am able to relate alot of what my sifu says to the way he teaches

[rhoghost]

i have small problums with bon sao, like sifu is saying cannot use much with a tall guy but i also dont feel like using bon sao for defending any attack above my chest. and for the last part of those big guys hittin with shield, cant we use bil sao insted? ofcouse not for that much heavy attack, can some 1 explain please?

[kelly980]

you're right about being able to use bil sau

[fievel3782]

@rhoghost Old question but Kwon sao is the best block.. since you use the structure of both elbows, tan sao, and bong sao to block a 300 lb person's punch. A biu sao isn't as strong since you're using a single arm. The advantage to the biu sao is you can simultaneously attack with the other hand.

[peposo7]

I couldnt understand what he said about Bong sao, except that you dont use it exactly like in the form. I think I missed what he was saying when the large guy was being hit with the shield. Could someone point me what he meant? I would appreciate it.

[kiddl3]

I've had the privilege to attend a few of SiFu Lee's workshops where besides working out till you drop, he emphasizes application application application. In this video clip, he demonstrated how that bong sau movement from the second form can be applied against someone a wild swing and pointed out that if you tried to just put up the bong sau, or tan sau as learned in the form, you'd be knocked out.

[peposo7]

I think I got that idea, just not if he mentioned a way to face correctly this opponent with a bong sau in a more useful manner...

[kiddl3]

My current take is that you need to understand the context of each activity (Forms, drills, exercises, etc). The forms, drills, exercises and theories of the curriculum along with your dedication culminate in your ability to "apply" the art when needed. Of course, it helps to have a qualified teacher willing to show you.

[kiddl3]

Correct or incorrect, these are only my thoughts and I don't want to misrepresent this SiFu. Hopefully one of his students of SiFu himself can chime in.

[silimtao]

WC forms form the "alphabet", and it's up to you to make words/sentences. Forms are just the foundation. As to your bong sau question, when applied in that example, you have your defense up against a wild round house. You're safe; the guy swinging at you hurts himself cuz the blade of your forearm is hit by the soft tissue of the guy round-housing. He didn't have time to go deeper, but I've been trained to use the bong in diff. ways.

[silimtao]

Pt.2- 2nd look at vid is exactly what I was talking about. Sifu Lee is showing the diff. 'tween form and real application. The big guy is shooting out the bong (unlike how it's done in the form)against the swinger. The guy swinging def. hurts himself. Trust me on that.

[derekchow1]

So which block do you use for a straight punch from a tall guy? Lan-sao?

[o0Tao0o]

The more I see SiFu Lee teaching, the more I like him! Thanks for that clip.