It's a good idea to check the brass, But i would stop buying from this supplier or call and tell them about it, Because i've never gotten new brass that didn't look or measure almost perfect, and i've been reloading for 27 yrs.
alright so im not sure if this is the right place to ask but, i was seating my 30-30 bullets about the 7th or 8th one in what it looks like happened was that the shoulder got crushed, is that something i should worry about?
i bought new 30-30 brass and mine wasnt as bad as those. had to trim and make sure case mouth was round. also some new brass i bought the package was short a few.
I purchsed a single set of brass, 416 Rigby, out of which about 40 weighed 340 grains +/- 1 and 60 weighed 328 grains +/- 1. That was a huge difference. I have had to keep them separate and to treat them like brass from different manufacturers. So check everything. by the way, Nosler does some very fine 'custom' brass, that has been sorted and prepared. You pay for it, but sometimes this is worth it.
Okay, first, the brass is run through FL sizers at the factory. that is how the shoulders are formed to begin with. second, the deformation does not come from the machines that make it, but rather from other pieces of brass in the packaging. run an expander ball through the neck, trim, load and shoot. FL sizing just works the entire case more than is necessary, and will not "pop" out any dents or dings in the body, only make it the right diameter.
While I agree with most of what you said, if the new brass is the correct dimensions out of the bag, FL sizing will not further work the brass.
The best course of action is probably to check the brass in a case gauge, if you have one for that caliber. If it passes, simply address only the neck to assure it's round and has the proper tension. Also check that flash hole to make sure it's fully punched and no material "hanging" inside the case.
Besure to inspect your brass I have found cracked necks,cracks in the shoulders and deformed (not just out of round). All of the above stated conditions were found in new ( unfired) brass purchased from ' the log cabin' store. Maybe that is why there is always a few extra pieces of brass in the bag?
I have some win brass and the top of the case is not straight. I have tried to cut it using the lee cutter but it can only cut so far. I have only fired it once. Should I just fire again or cut it manually so its all straight.
Yes...I do however put all of my brass including the Norma and Lapua through the full length sizing die to make sure they're uniform and trim to make sure they are exact.
I purchase Nosler brand new brass and I've been very impressed with quality - always full length size new brass, trim case, chamfer and debur case mouth and debur primer pocket and flash hole and I'm godo to go!
Another thing people often don't realize is that new unfired bras will not perform as well as fireformed brass. I don't look at new brass as finished. The handloader does the final steps in the manufacturing process...uniforming and fire forming.
The thing I like best about new brass is I know what loads were shot through them Range brass is an unknown quality. I do love looking for brass. I find some really interesting stuff. Someone left some 577-450 brass once!
I bought a box of 500 in a good name brand, pulled the first one out of the box, it looked prefect, I thought great, I can just load this up and go. But that was the only one that looked prefect, had to work the new brass just like it was fired brass.
That is common. If you mic your brass you might find them to be a bit long too. You may want to either neck size or full length resize them then trim them to true them up.
Depends on how hot you load it. I've overloaded some .220 Swift ammo on new brass that wrecked them. I also have about 60 rounds of .308 that I've loaded 20 times. A lot depends on the load.
It depends, I've had Remington brass do the same thing. I think it has a lot to do with the cartride itself. The 30-30 has a thin wall anyway so it's prone to damage.
No problem at all! We are about making the best ammunition humanly possible. Examine each piece of brass. Don't take it for granted that new brass is perfect. In fact, most of my rifles shoot better when the cases are once fired. it irons out all the inperfections in case dimentions.
Hey thanks for the tip, I never resized or trimmed my new brass i ordered for midway but after seeing your video i'm going to start. Good video keep up the good work.
I bought some new brass and was amazed how much of it was over length right out of the bag.
Julius44bc 2 months ago
It's a good idea to check the brass, But i would stop buying from this supplier or call and tell them about it, Because i've never gotten new brass that didn't look or measure almost perfect, and i've been reloading for 27 yrs.
blacksrt8300c 4 months ago
Thanks for the heads up. got some brand new LC brass and i thought I was good to go . Glade i saw your video first
millster101 7 months ago
alright so im not sure if this is the right place to ask but, i was seating my 30-30 bullets about the 7th or 8th one in what it looks like happened was that the shoulder got crushed, is that something i should worry about?
trooperx666 9 months ago
i bought new 30-30 brass and mine wasnt as bad as those. had to trim and make sure case mouth was round. also some new brass i bought the package was short a few.
nes4ever69 1 year ago
On Norma brass,
I purchsed a single set of brass, 416 Rigby, out of which about 40 weighed 340 grains +/- 1 and 60 weighed 328 grains +/- 1. That was a huge difference. I have had to keep them separate and to treat them like brass from different manufacturers. So check everything. by the way, Nosler does some very fine 'custom' brass, that has been sorted and prepared. You pay for it, but sometimes this is worth it.
alefomegaalef 1 year ago
Okay, first, the brass is run through FL sizers at the factory. that is how the shoulders are formed to begin with. second, the deformation does not come from the machines that make it, but rather from other pieces of brass in the packaging. run an expander ball through the neck, trim, load and shoot. FL sizing just works the entire case more than is necessary, and will not "pop" out any dents or dings in the body, only make it the right diameter.
purpleqwerty22 2 years ago
@purpleqwerty22
While I agree with most of what you said, if the new brass is the correct dimensions out of the bag, FL sizing will not further work the brass.
The best course of action is probably to check the brass in a case gauge, if you have one for that caliber. If it passes, simply address only the neck to assure it's round and has the proper tension. Also check that flash hole to make sure it's fully punched and no material "hanging" inside the case.
twal1011 2 years ago
Besure to inspect your brass I have found cracked necks,cracks in the shoulders and deformed (not just out of round). All of the above stated conditions were found in new ( unfired) brass purchased from ' the log cabin' store. Maybe that is why there is always a few extra pieces of brass in the bag?
500SWMAGOPERATOR 2 years ago
I have some win brass and the top of the case is not straight. I have tried to cut it using the lee cutter but it can only cut so far. I have only fired it once. Should I just fire again or cut it manually so its all straight.
detectiveinspekta 2 years ago
Yes.
ammosmith 2 years ago
When tested, Federal Gold Medal Match ammo in .308 always shoots very, VERY well.
Factory ammo, straight from the box. Not fireformed, of course.
How do they do that!
RackEmPunk 2 years ago
thanks for the heads up i have some on order i will be looking at them more closer now thanks
cory8791 2 years ago 2
Norma and Lapua is "top of the line" brass, never sen that kind of deformation on those. Just load and shoot
Ehnebom 2 years ago
Yes...I do however put all of my brass including the Norma and Lapua through the full length sizing die to make sure they're uniform and trim to make sure they are exact.
ammosmith 2 years ago
I just purchased some Norma 7.5 x 55 that was super duper. I've never seen brass like that. Very thick walled and quality brass.
AA550cord 2 years ago
I purchase Nosler brand new brass and I've been very impressed with quality - always full length size new brass, trim case, chamfer and debur case mouth and debur primer pocket and flash hole and I'm godo to go!
raa29642 3 years ago
So true
Gungeek 3 years ago
Another thing people often don't realize is that new unfired bras will not perform as well as fireformed brass. I don't look at new brass as finished. The handloader does the final steps in the manufacturing process...uniforming and fire forming.
ammosmith 3 years ago
Yep, and new brass gives higher pressure if not fire formed first...
Gungeek 3 years ago 2
The thing I like best about new brass is I know what loads were shot through them Range brass is an unknown quality. I do love looking for brass. I find some really interesting stuff. Someone left some 577-450 brass once!
ammosmith 3 years ago
I bought a box of 500 in a good name brand, pulled the first one out of the box, it looked prefect, I thought great, I can just load this up and go. But that was the only one that looked prefect, had to work the new brass just like it was fired brass.
CelticSouthland 3 years ago
That is common. If you mic your brass you might find them to be a bit long too. You may want to either neck size or full length resize them then trim them to true them up.
ammosmith 3 years ago
How many times can a cartridge be loaded before trashing it?
gunnyranger2 3 years ago
Depends on how hot you load it. I've overloaded some .220 Swift ammo on new brass that wrecked them. I also have about 60 rounds of .308 that I've loaded 20 times. A lot depends on the load.
ammosmith 3 years ago
Let me guess- you started with Winchester brass? That's the only brand I've seen that has case mouths that deformed, straight from the factory.
greenbottle12in 3 years ago
It depends, I've had Remington brass do the same thing. I think it has a lot to do with the cartride itself. The 30-30 has a thin wall anyway so it's prone to damage.
ammosmith 3 years ago
No problem at all! We are about making the best ammunition humanly possible. Examine each piece of brass. Don't take it for granted that new brass is perfect. In fact, most of my rifles shoot better when the cases are once fired. it irons out all the inperfections in case dimentions.
ammosmith 3 years ago
Hey thanks for the tip, I never resized or trimmed my new brass i ordered for midway but after seeing your video i'm going to start. Good video keep up the good work.
tharr2008 3 years ago