Oh come on... I'm British and even I wouldn't put the type 23 in the top 10. And as for the Spanish frigate in at #1 - You can hardly call it Spanish, it features the Aegis tracking system which is US made, so basically all they have done is stick a bit of everyone else's stuff together and put a Spanish flag on it. The type 26 on the other hand, now that really will be special. I don't pretend to know every ship that every country has in the pipeline but the type 26 destroyer will be special.
@Brulluhman, The primary radar systems of the Zeven Provicien class are Thales made. Some parts are Lockheed
Where are the Danish figates. The Iver Huitfeldt class have
32x SM-2in MK-41 VLS, 24x RIM-162 ESSM in STANFLEX, 16x RGM-84 Harpoon, 2x 76mm Oto Melara. With eventualy SM-6 missiles and Tomahawk missiles. I say FULLY LOADED!!!
I still believe 'De Zeven Provinciën' is number 1. Why? Because of Lockheed radar systems.
Lockheed also makes the JSF (they believe it's stealthy, so they probably tested their radars on it. Thales radar systems can spot the JSF, F118, F22, the Chinese J20 400 km away. Now upgrading to 2000 km. Leaving Lockheed far behind.
@Brulluhman Norway, Spain, South Korea and Australia all use Lockheeds AEGIS combat system.
Video is bullshit anyways since the american Arleigh Burke destroyer ( granted, different class, but close to the German Norwegian and spanis frigattes) is probably the best.
Also funny that the Spanish F100 "won" the best ship, when the Norwegian Nansen class is an improved ( and much more expensive) version of the F100 with allot of American and Norwegian upgrades. Specially the weapons.
@Pirat12 Its not an improved version, its a different version. Its built upon the F100, but designed to fit norwegian needs and artic conditions. The AEGIS system is smaller, newer yes, but a smaller version. The weapon load is different, like we have NSM missile. And some other systems is different.
@Illebazz I Know the system smart-APART L has very much future and they must feel proud, this it is our cross, this depends on the American, above mentioned system Congratulations for his achievements, but do not want to overcome to the great machine ... USA. Certainly it is a success that they use system of weapons-.misiles USA, because the combination PAMMS-Aster is a Chinese story.
@Illebazz I know the ZP have space for more wells, but what they have nowadays they are 40 wells opposite to 48 of the F-100, the ZP takes the Helo Linx (in the future the NH-90), the F-100 takes the best naval Helo, the seahawk, the F-100 already have been proved in maneuvers of the NATO opposite to massive assaults of 15 planes (Tiger Meet) working out victorious, and they are designated by the NATO as the ships of the first line in AAW of the Atlantic fleet.
@Illebazz The SPY-1D (v) that is the fact that they mount the F-105 and the future class Hobart Australian is a version improved of 1D for the detection in secret zone (near the littoral), a gyratory radar loads the RCS with which the furtivity disappears, apart a rotating system loses precision in multiple aims opposite to one 3D as the SPY, for not speaking of that if the rotary system breakdown or it damages in combat, good-bye!! Thing that with AEGIS would be that to lose 4 panels.
@Illebazz The PAMMS com the APART-SMART have to demonstrate that they are better than the SPY-1 D (V). At the moment the fact that type 45 and ZP used rotary radar is an anachronism.As for the scope the information of the APART-SMART L seems to me to be fantastic, but it is alone an information, the SPY-1 D is a system highly evolved and proved per years in maneuvers and combat and has not stopped evolving.
@Maverickrad The F-35 project will turn many countries bankrupt, you'll see. the US military should fuck Lockheed for a while and check those Boeing projects... they seem just as good as the Lockheed ones, maybe better and cheaper.
@Maverickrad And I'd say that Boeing is better because they build the avionics for Lockeheed and they can also build an aircraft entirely.. Lockheed can't do that so easy. But Lockheed Martin is that kind of corporation i hate... they are some of those who mainly share the fault for the recession... wtf F-35 is too expensive... nobody can afford it... I'm from Romania and we had dozens of chances to join the F-35 projecting and development... we denied them all.
@Maverickrad I do give some credit. The U.S weaponary is the best in the world, no doubt. but there are so many weapons just as good as the american ones anywhere... I agree the SR-71 is a great plane. never stood why they cancelled it... it was quite modern and not very expensive. But drones are much more efficient that's true. I like Northop Grumman and McDonell Douglas too... McDonell Douglas merged into Boeing... right now the best corps. are Lockheed and Boeing.
@Maverickrad i bet you're an upset yank... get out of the shitty propaganda mate. not every american weapon is the best in the world... many are far from being the best... and F-117 sucked, that's why it's been retired so soon... and as i now F-22 A Raptor is made by Lockheed Martin.. and it sucks btw... that's why it flies rarely and they stopped producing it ( original order: 800, final order: 200) . it's aired to be replaced in about 10 years as i know, by a plane that Lockheed is working on.
@carl16760: I don't see it that way. Only an idiot wants war and death, but if you're weak, someone will take advantage of your weakness. I'm afraid that's just human nature and the way the real world works. The idea is to deter war by having the strength to stop would-be aggressors. Also, navies do a lot more than just fight, they also do humanitarian missions, disaster relief, anti-piracy, anti drug smuggling work etc.
@ProGaming10: Type 23 is good at what it was meant to do - hunt submarines. It's one of the quietest warships around for that reason. It was never meant to be a general purpose frigate even though it's now used as one.
@MrXray2011 Yes but again.....that's a decade or more away. And the French have about 20 light frigates and corvettes, not counting their 12 warfighting frigates.
What we could do with is some of those C3 'global corvettes' that were mooted a few years ago. They don't need to be high-end warfighting ships, they just need to be cheap enough so we can afford plenty of hulls for presence duties around the world. We do have the River class, but only 4 of them.
@MrCutsteel: But anyway I was just pointing out that it's not fair to compare the T23 to a GP frigate, since it wasn't designed to be one. As an ASW platform it's very far from being a 'piece of shit' as ProGaming10 put it. I think we're in agreement there.
@MrCutsteel France have 21 Frigates that's it. Many of these are small, outdated 'Light Firgates.' We have the edge with technology and size. Just because they have more does not mean that they have the best. We only have 420 Challenger II's- but they're better than the 8,000 odd, Abrams that the US have. We shouldn't get C3's we should design new Destroyers and new frigates (which we are) and so what UKIP want to do...
@MrXray2011: Hey, I'd love to see 40 or 50 type 45s and Type 26s, but it ain't gonna happen! In addition to their frigate / light frigates the French have about ten ships called avisos - corvettes, basically. They aren't first class warships (although they are armed with Exocets) but they're useful for patrol duties and in an emergency could be used to bolster a task force. We could do with something like that.
@MrCutsteel....as I say, I think the River class could be the basis of a RN corvette. Just build about a dozen of them and make them capable of being tooled up with Harpoon in an emergency. The idea wouldn't be to replace the high-tech ships, but to supplement them.
Challenger vs Abrams is debatable! As a Brit I'd go with Chally II - but both are very advanced tanks.
@MrCutsteel Exocets are getting easy to destroy though- they were new in the 80's but the Type 45 can take them out--- the UK has better missiles than Exocet now though. They are still not as powerful as the UK- have you ever been on Global Firepower. The RN has always been better than the MN in quality of ships, crews and commanders. Again, I agree that we should have larger numbers. 2001 levels of ships would be good,
@MrXray2011: I'm not saying the avisos can go up against the RN - but they still have their uses, that's my point. You need high end warfighting ships yes, but you also need numbers, and if you can't afford 40 first class warfighters then 20 warfighters and 20 corvettes is the next best thing.
Yeah that is true- at least then the major Surface Combatants can be used more effectivly... i.e. against Argentina. The thing is we can afford them. We have the 3rd largest military expenditure in the world... by my logic that means that we should have the 3rd largest Navy, 3rd largest AF and 3rd largest army- although we pay our servicemen a better wage surely we can afford more than 19 Frigates and Destroyers with £70 billion a year...
@MrXray2011 when we're not fighting in Afghanistan I'm sure more money will become avaliable but that will probably be given to Africa or work shy people here in the UK!
I am a Tory and always will be but if the Labour Party promise to rebuild the military then I may vote for them once to get them in to sign the contracts then go back to the Tories. It's shamful because I hate Labour and all Left Wing politics but they seem to be the only ones that want a big military :(
@MrXray2011: I don't have much faith in either party. Labour reduced the fleet too-they were the ones that got rid of the Sea Harrier and reduced the Type 45 buy. At least they signed up to build the carrriers (though after much delay).
Yes, we could afford a better military if we didn't piss so much money away. Trouble is politicians are shortsighted and they can't see further ahead than the next election.
@MrCutsteel UKIP are good if you want a bigger military. They want to spend an extra 1% of GDP on the military. We do spend too much on useless shit- in fact a recent study showed that we spent £250 on a bolt, for the Type 45, that should cost £10- that is why the military has had to make cuts. I would rather get rid of benefits and have work houses (nicer than they used to be). well benefits for people who truely need it (i.e. illness) but if you're out of work then into teh house
@MrXray2011: I dunno about workhouses exactly - but certainly workfare. I'd make them turn up on Monday morning at the job centre where they would be found something to do - picking litter or whatever. The thing is, I don't want to punish people who are genuinely out of work through no fault of their own - anyone can get made redundant- but the career parasites who have no intention of getting a job are the ones who need a kick up the arse.
@MrCutsteel: But yeah, the MoD like every government department, piss money away through ineffficiency. If they were private companies they'd go bust in no time.
@MrCutsteel They may have been out of work through no fault of their own but they should still produce goods for the state. They should not be treated as criminals (they should be given nice places to live.) It's not punishment- they just don't take money from th state- but there are jobs out there, and I do not believe anyone who claims that there are not!
@MrXray2011: I agree there are a lot of bums taking the piss - there's plenty around here. But I don't count someone who has worked and paid taxes say for 20 years and then gets made redundant as being in the same category as a scrounger who has no intention of working. I think the recently-redundant should be given time to find a job - say six months - after that, if they want to stay on benefits they have to work for them.
@MrCutsteel:.....that's the way the system used to work. Around a hundred years ago, when national insurance was first introduced, it was known as 'unemployment insurance' - people in work literally were paying a state-backed insurance policy. If they were made redundant their insurance kicked in and paid out - but only for a limited time. I think we need to go back to something like that.
@MrCutsteel I know about Liberal Reforms- I got an A* at GCSE History! :) It is sad if a person is made redundant but then does this mean that they should go on benefits. These Work Houses would not be as bad as they used to be.
@ProGaming10 It is well known as the best anti- submarine ship in the world- it is getting old, that is why we have designed and will soon be building the Type 26.
@laurensreinds I do not understand since in a ship of 8000 tn only they have put 48 wells, when Aster 15 and 30 occupy 1 well each one, not like that in F-100 and Zeven Pr that can use 4 ESSM for every well, then a F-100 or ZP would take 24 SM2 or SM 3 + 96 ESSM. on the other hand so much the PAMMS com the APART-SMART have to demonstrate that they are better than the SPY-1 D (V). At the moment the fact that type 45 and ZP used rotary radar is an anachronism.
@VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA Well, about the wells, I know that the Ticonderoga class, which is a lot larger than both the Zeven Provinciën and the Álvaro classes, indeed has two or three times more wells.
I can't agree with you on the radar systems though. The rotary SMART-L is just part of a larger radar system. Just as almost any modern battleship, the ZP does have phased array radar, next to numerous other sensors and electronic systems, which have actually proven to be superior.
@laurensreinds With regard to of the wells, I have not spoken anything of them TICO, what charm is that so many ZP since F-100 have more capacity that Type 45, which alone can take 1 missile - well, vs 4 ESSM well of the ZP and F-100, continues being affirmed by me that this AEGIS proved in combat and it is a system with 25 years of evolution and improvement and alone SMART/apart has demonstrated to have more scope.
@laurensreinds On the other hand YES that is very important to have a gyratory radar and it is an anachronism, because with a gyratory radar in assaults for saturation, important tenths of second get lost, besides this a gyratory radar worsens very much the RCS (the capacity Stealth), the worse thing of everything is that if for breakdown or damages of the combat, it loses this radar: GOOD-BYE, this is impossible in AEGIS, would be that to lose 4 sides.
@VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA Stealth would be an issue with regular rotating antenna. However, the SMART-L system features a somewhat stealthy housing, as is the rest of the sensor suite. Concerning stealth; the phased array of the Zeven Provinciën sits in a mast, while the Álvaro de Bazán has it integrated into the bridge tower, increasing radar signature.
The AEGIS system uses exposed antenna masts, which is more vulnerable and has even partially snapped on rare occasions.
@laurensreinds I agree with you in whom the Smart/apart L is the best of the new systems, but I continue believing that AEGIS is the best for assaults for saturation (since they demonstrated the F-100 in the Tiger Meet of the NATO) since this system was developed USSR to defend itself from massive assaults of the fleet. In any case we do not know which of the new systems and bands L, E, X, etc, will be that of the future. The AEGIS goes towards the X, for example.
@laurensreinds You have reason, we can not agree, but each one exposes his reasons, but in 99 % of videos in YOUTUBE, you cannot reason with anybody, because the majority they are children that the only thing that they know of technology, is the " Call of Duty "
@laurensreinds Ah certainly I have a good news for you and your ZP, Holland has contracted Tecnobit (it is a company of optronics of Spain) in order that this one, mount in the ships the Datalink 11, 16 and 22, with this can to communicate so much the guide's systems, since of weapon with F-100, Eurofighter, Burke, Aircraftcarrier USA, etc.
The Spanish navy is the best navy of the world for a lot of time, the Spanish navy discovered américa, governed half a world, the invincible navy, and now you possess the best frigates of combat of the world, everything they thanks to it to our marines and our great navy
@TheKifinas Plain and simple China has never really invested in their Navy but their Air Force and Army. Although they are pumping money into research, they are for all intents and purposes a Land based military. They are only investing now to secure their foreign supplies of energy and are still about 2 generations back to modern navies. It's not that they are bad, it's just they have never been the focus of the Chinese military until now.
HEY! YOU DID THIS VIDEO, YOU ARE A STUPID NO CULTURE CHINESE, RIGHT? SPANISH FIRST.....AND GOOD PLACE FOR CHINESE LOW TECH NAVY,......SO FUNNY LITTLE BOY......
The ranking is good, but I am surprised that the Nansen class was ranked as high as it was, just behind the "all but in name" destroyers.
The Visby class is a great littoral asset, but with it's limited crew, sensors, armaments and endurance it is just wrong to talk about "Visby" and "multirole" in the same sentence. The Visby class is a coastal surface combatant with limited self-defence capabilities in AS and AAW.
@lintu25 lol yeah start changing topic loser. U.S is developing Arleigh Burke flight III and zumwalt stealth destroyer for true multi-role. The Independence-class only fills in coastal combat duty. Don't be a loud mouth and spewing fake crap when you are even confusing urself. Sweden navy invested money to ask for a true multi-role ship instead they got a handicapped one. It's a failed ship with a working stealth design. That's it. Why an idiot like you is defending it is pretty ridiculous.
@lintu25 true multirole ships are anti-sub, ship to ship and anti-air and now anti-missiles as well. And the effectiveness of these roles are decided by their installed systems i.e. the accuracy and range of these 3 capabilities. Stealth is a big advantage no doubt. But others ships over time also have improved radars like the new Arleigh Burke III version. Visby can't claim to be a top boat if Sweden Navy asked for 3 capabilities and the all they are are 2 out of 3. How simple is that?
@lintu25 awesome cool toy? More like time/money ran out and ur navy got what they didn't ask for. Any real blue-water navy won't throw their cash into such limited toy boat. All Visby boats have the same modules and no other variants. All other modules u wish for are either scraped or cancelled. It's just a 1-dimensional ship that can't even venture into deep ocean by itself. U are just raving about the stealth technology that should be deployed on much better ship rather than this little toy.
hmm I'm thinking the ANZAC Class frigate should have made it into this list, perhaps not that far up on account of being a little old now but it is very heavilly armed for a ship of its size
Because everyones sick of hearing about America I suppose. There not the only nation on this planet. Many nations have been here thousands of years before any Europeans even set foot on the American continent...
@MrDeano324 Yeah, whatever. What the fuck does that have to do with anything? It's why list like these are so fucked up, because they let bigotry and discrimination cloud the truth, that American designs and builds the best military equipment on the planet. You can choose to ignore that fact and act like the rest of the world, which is ignorant. America is the only super power left, and it's understandable that you lesser nations dislike us. Good. We could care less.
You asked a question, I gave an answer. I couldnt care less whether you liked the answer or not you arrogant fool. You talk of discrimination and bigotry then call all other nations in the world "lesser". Thats called hypocrisy. Go to anger management or something, Jesus Christ...
What country do you live in? Before I go any further, I want to know what I am dealing with before I slam dunk your ass. Or are you one of those countries that only exist because of all the money America gives to you to prop you up?
The british Type 23 shouldnt be there. It´s old, not stealth, not Aegis, not anything. It is a walking corpse. Anything chinese or indian is also very weird to be put here, but we respect your opinion.
@Tecnigod Actually the Type 23 does have radar reducing features, and it is widely reguarded as the worlds best anti-submarine warship- in fact it really is the worlds best anti-submarine warship. It's being replaced by the Type 26 from about 2919-2020 anyway.
@MrXray2011 2020? We will be driving UFO´s by then. Nevermind. Just do what Singapure did. Buy state of the art frigates from France like the Formidable Class: youtube.com/watch?v=vBdbjeI31wQ
Why wasting time/money trying to develope frigates when the french were ages ahead since the time of the "Lafayette class". I mean they comissioned things in the 90´s, that most countries are even still trying to design. Or... buy aegis frigates from the spanish Navantia yards like the norwegian did.
@MrXray2011 Type 23... Chile is using those frigates in 2nd hand. I mean, what the hell did you became? You are using the same frigate a country from a 3rd world continent is using, (no offense to South Africa in Africa and theire new german Mekos). Your aircraft carriers (the only one remaining) are also old like crap and i wana see how you will have money to come up with the new ones in the middle of a european economic crysis. Italy and Spain built theires just in time.
@Tecnigod Yeah- we sold them to them. The new Type 26 will be inservice from 2020 and they will be the best frigates in the world. And actually the Type 23 is seen as the best ASW ship in the world. And we've already bought the two aircraft carriers!! Ours will be better than the Italian and Spanish one
type 23...its not that great....but India's Shivalik Class and China's Type 54 class...? try to do a bit of research bfore posting dumb comments like these...
For eg. Shivalik class is stealth , one of the most advanced today and fitted with the World's FASTEST Crusie missile,BrahMos.
And as u might know, China and India are among the top 5 powers today and hv started to challenge Usa's might,
@dustyOn3 Hold on pal! The Daring class is a destroyer. Not a frigate. if you want to compare them, compare with the Horizon class (french/italian). not with the french fremm class.
@dustyOn3 But the German "Baden-Württemberg class" is still in the development process, will be finished and combat-ready between 2016-2018...
German "Brandenburg class" should be mentioned, in service since the mid-90s but the most reliable ships of the german Navy. Btw Germanys "Sachsen" and Netherlands "Seven Proviencien" are basically the same ships. The difference is, the Dutch Ships were developed without the technical problems of the "Sachsen"
@lintu25 You don't know much about destroyers and frigates do you? The 90-degree angel building in the front is the multi-function phased array radar, with the radar panels on each side. These ships are guided missile defense frigates. They are there to shoot down fighter jets and hunt submarines. The effectiveness and accuracy of these phased array systems determine how modern these ships are, not some physical shape design employed by corvettes, which serve totally different purposes.
@TelpPov sorry, but VIsby can hunt down subs, shoot other naval vessels and kill air targets.
And its so called stealthship and very modern.
You and that Tordenguden, perhaps forget that most modern ships has multirole. Those corvettes, frigates etc. classifications are from the old days, when ships were made from wood.
Ships become more and more compact and pack more punch. Well atleast that is what i think.
What is our fast attack craft classification? (rauma and hamina)
@lintu25 Modern ships classification are still very much relevant. Visby is exactly not a frigate. It's just higly specilalized for small area defense perfect for small navy like Sweden. Its stealth sacrifices firepower and operational range, exactly the purpose the a corvette as they were for centuries. Most of these frigates above are for wider range of conflicts. There is no need for stealth when you are guarding a super carrier out in the open.
@lintu25 and Like I said before, the ship with the most advanced Phased Array radar and internal electrons wins because it determines who can hit more accurate at longer range, and that's how frigates are evaluated. Since Sweden cannot afford destroyers or any larger ship. Visby is designed with stealth for better initial-conflict self-preservation. The frigates in the video are out there in your-face-types to divert enemy fire from their DDGs and CVNs in much bigger navies.
@lintu25 and In the end you cannot send corvettes like Visby in blue-water to actively engage in full-scale conflict because the stealth factor is pretty much gone instantly at that point and much more powerful ships just out gun and out tough a corvette class. Visby is high specialized for one area of expertise at best but it cannot be ranked among true multi-role ships
@TelpPov Perhaps you join the navy and update your information.
Multirole is big thing, if u dont see that. Your same idiot what Yamato try to tell the Japanies war council, that Aircraft carriers are next huge thing.
@lintu25 lol idiot learn to read. I didn't say it's not multi-role. But it's only multi-role designed for Sweden for defending their coastal areas. They can't afford massive fleets, air support. So this corvette sacrifice many things for stealth the initial advantage, since Sweden likely will be outnumbered by a potential adversary For example Russia. But no bigger country take this corvette to the big games, fleet vs fleet operations it neither has the capability nor the capacity for it.
@lintu25 Try bring those little guns for close range defense to the big games. The only weapon integrated was the gun and it has no surface-to-air missiles rofl!!. So it's only for anti-subs and ship to ship in coastal area with out any sort of air defense what a joke. It's not even true multi-role as u claimed and it has no anti-ballistic and anti-missile capability. It also has pathetic ammunition and fuel capacity. Don't lie to start an argument, you been wasting my time.
@lintu25 ahhaha, no anti-air missile system. What a sitting duck out in the ocean. Hide in the home port for air support from other elements? Yep time for a troll like you to start spewing crap like a troll.
@lintu25 and that is why the U.S froze the development of Zumwalt destroyers. Because it is incapable of doing many things sacrificed just for stealth. So it lacks the demand for true multi-role capability an entire U.S fleet requires.
the best is ofc Visby so the rest not even close and i know this for sure since it is the only one to be able to do the multipurpose job. And also the smallest of them all and the only truu stealthed one and also one of the hardest hitting and with the best arnament. So this list sucks totaly. And i have been abord the swedish, two made by the germans and also the new by the russians so i am quite sure of what i say :)
@TiltedFuture Visby are great corvettes, but its a different kind of ship. And no, visby is not the only ship cut for a multipurpose role. Like Sweden has the Visby class, Norway has the Skjold class, witch is as tealthy as the Visby, smaller, faster and has equal amount of weapons, however...it cant fill the role of a frigate, thats why Norway has the Nansen class. Frigates has a much greater radar range, due to largers radars, and they are more fitted for longer operations.
De Zeven provinciën uses Thales radarsystems and the Alvaro de Bazan Aegis radarsystems. German and Dutch frigates are therefor more advanced. Thales can spot all stealthy objects and Thalis is years ahead of the competition, while Aegis is a product of Lockheed Martin.. they also develope the JSF. Thales Netherlands develope radarsystems that can spot the F22, F118, F25 and the Chinese J20 at a range of 400 km and recently 1000 km (you would need tomahawks for that as airdefence, but still).
@yakolin07 No it isn't that's why Thales won the competition to build a 2000 km SMART-L European rocketshield (better price and performance than Aegis). Next to this all countries replacing their radarsystems with Thales, even the British lately bought a few for their aircraft carrier.
@Brulluhman Actually Thales lost the competition when the norwegian navy tested both aegis and thales. Thales might be better in some costal envirement, but the aegis won hands down in the norwegian tests. The norwegian navy choose thales for their skjold class though, but thats mainly due to no aegis would fit the small size of the ships.
Oh come on... I'm British and even I wouldn't put the type 23 in the top 10. And as for the Spanish frigate in at #1 - You can hardly call it Spanish, it features the Aegis tracking system which is US made, so basically all they have done is stick a bit of everyone else's stuff together and put a Spanish flag on it. The type 26 on the other hand, now that really will be special. I don't pretend to know every ship that every country has in the pipeline but the type 26 destroyer will be special.
tombuckley91 15 hours ago
Best frigate surely is the new german F125 class
Goodtime618 1 day ago
Who's the composer of background music, name of piece?
hpaddyh1 2 weeks ago
The Dutch Zeven Provioncien class have 40 x VLS.
@Brulluhman, The primary radar systems of the Zeven Provicien class are Thales made. Some parts are Lockheed
Where are the Danish figates. The Iver Huitfeldt class have
32x SM-2in MK-41 VLS, 24x RIM-162 ESSM in STANFLEX, 16x RGM-84 Harpoon, 2x 76mm Oto Melara. With eventualy SM-6 missiles and Tomahawk missiles. I say FULLY LOADED!!!
missilechief 2 weeks ago
where are FREMM?
giulo87 3 weeks ago
I still believe 'De Zeven Provinciën' is number 1. Why? Because of Lockheed radar systems.
Lockheed also makes the JSF (they believe it's stealthy, so they probably tested their radars on it. Thales radar systems can spot the JSF, F118, F22, the Chinese J20 400 km away. Now upgrading to 2000 km. Leaving Lockheed far behind.
Brulluhman 3 weeks ago
@Brulluhman Norway, Spain, South Korea and Australia all use Lockheeds AEGIS combat system.
Video is bullshit anyways since the american Arleigh Burke destroyer ( granted, different class, but close to the German Norwegian and spanis frigattes) is probably the best.
Also funny that the Spanish F100 "won" the best ship, when the Norwegian Nansen class is an improved ( and much more expensive) version of the F100 with allot of American and Norwegian upgrades. Specially the weapons.
Pirat12 3 weeks ago
@Pirat12
I agree!!A part of all you mentioned he or she is totally ignoring the French FREMM class Frigate with, scalp naval, aster 30 etc etc
Suflariotlou 2 weeks ago
@Pirat12 Its not an improved version, its a different version. Its built upon the F100, but designed to fit norwegian needs and artic conditions. The AEGIS system is smaller, newer yes, but a smaller version. The weapon load is different, like we have NSM missile. And some other systems is different.
tordengud 2 weeks ago
@Brulluhman You can read more about it here;
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Pirat12 3 weeks ago
The first one, SA one looks more like a shiny yatch with some guns on it rather then a warship in the first pic :P
INSANESUICIDE 3 weeks ago
Now let's go blow up Somalian "pirates" trying to defend their fishing zones.
sharpiellll 3 weeks ago
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sharpiellll 3 weeks ago
Best Frigate in the World it is «Admiral Flota Sovetskogo Soyuza Gorshkov» Launched 29.10.2010 Commissioned plan 11.2012
Armament
1helicopter
Anti-ship: 16 supersonic missiles «Onyx»
Anti Air: SAM complex «Redut» - 128 missiles, 2 x Palash CIWS - 4x6 30 mm guns 16 missiles
Anti-submarine: "Medvedka" system - 16 supersonic missiles with the small torpedo as the warhead and 4 x 533mm torpedo tubes
Guns: 1 x 130mm 2 x 14.5mm
Electronic warfare and decoys: 2 х КТ-308-05, 8x10 launchers KT-216.
peschernik 3 weeks ago
@peschernik Dear santa, I want whatever it was peschernik said!
INSANESUICIDE 3 weeks ago
to all french an spanians around here. in germany, we sell our weapons. and after that, we pretend to be peaceful. LOL
TheSalatfinger 3 weeks ago
French one is stealth.
sharpiellll 3 weeks ago
@sharpiellll
Most of them here are Stealth
rohitb3 3 weeks ago
IM TELLING YOU MAN TITANIC WILL SHIT ON ALL THIS SHIPS !!
Cupcake3959384 4 weeks ago
@Illebazz HAHAhahahahahahaha you are a great humorist man.
KikinBcN 4 weeks ago
@Illebazz hahahahahahahaha yeeea..... sure :-/ NATO doesnt think so
fixi121 1 month ago
Alvaro Bazan the best???? You are not serius man
66SCALP 1 month ago
@Illebazz I Know the system smart-APART L has very much future and they must feel proud, this it is our cross, this depends on the American, above mentioned system Congratulations for his achievements, but do not want to overcome to the great machine ... USA. Certainly it is a success that they use system of weapons-.misiles USA, because the combination PAMMS-Aster is a Chinese story.
VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA 1 month ago
@Illebazz I know the ZP have space for more wells, but what they have nowadays they are 40 wells opposite to 48 of the F-100, the ZP takes the Helo Linx (in the future the NH-90), the F-100 takes the best naval Helo, the seahawk, the F-100 already have been proved in maneuvers of the NATO opposite to massive assaults of 15 planes (Tiger Meet) working out victorious, and they are designated by the NATO as the ships of the first line in AAW of the Atlantic fleet.
VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA 1 month ago
@Illebazz The SPY-1D (v) that is the fact that they mount the F-105 and the future class Hobart Australian is a version improved of 1D for the detection in secret zone (near the littoral), a gyratory radar loads the RCS with which the furtivity disappears, apart a rotating system loses precision in multiple aims opposite to one 3D as the SPY, for not speaking of that if the rotary system breakdown or it damages in combat, good-bye!! Thing that with AEGIS would be that to lose 4 panels.
VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA 1 month ago
@Illebazz The PAMMS com the APART-SMART have to demonstrate that they are better than the SPY-1 D (V). At the moment the fact that type 45 and ZP used rotary radar is an anachronism.As for the scope the information of the APART-SMART L seems to me to be fantastic, but it is alone an information, the SPY-1 D is a system highly evolved and proved per years in maneuvers and combat and has not stopped evolving.
VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA 1 month ago
Shivalk is among the Top 6
Chinesee 054 should be dropped to no 8 or so..
rohitb3 1 month ago
@Maverickrad The F-35 project will turn many countries bankrupt, you'll see. the US military should fuck Lockheed for a while and check those Boeing projects... they seem just as good as the Lockheed ones, maybe better and cheaper.
MrILoveFirearms 1 month ago
@Maverickrad And I'd say that Boeing is better because they build the avionics for Lockeheed and they can also build an aircraft entirely.. Lockheed can't do that so easy. But Lockheed Martin is that kind of corporation i hate... they are some of those who mainly share the fault for the recession... wtf F-35 is too expensive... nobody can afford it... I'm from Romania and we had dozens of chances to join the F-35 projecting and development... we denied them all.
MrILoveFirearms 1 month ago
@Maverickrad I do give some credit. The U.S weaponary is the best in the world, no doubt. but there are so many weapons just as good as the american ones anywhere... I agree the SR-71 is a great plane. never stood why they cancelled it... it was quite modern and not very expensive. But drones are much more efficient that's true. I like Northop Grumman and McDonell Douglas too... McDonell Douglas merged into Boeing... right now the best corps. are Lockheed and Boeing.
MrILoveFirearms 1 month ago
@Maverickrad i bet you're an upset yank... get out of the shitty propaganda mate. not every american weapon is the best in the world... many are far from being the best... and F-117 sucked, that's why it's been retired so soon... and as i now F-22 A Raptor is made by Lockheed Martin.. and it sucks btw... that's why it flies rarely and they stopped producing it ( original order: 800, final order: 200) . it's aired to be replaced in about 10 years as i know, by a plane that Lockheed is working on.
MrILoveFirearms 1 month ago
wow, look at the effort people put into killing each other...impressive
carl16760 1 month ago
all in the name of death
carl16760 1 month ago
@carl16760: I don't see it that way. Only an idiot wants war and death, but if you're weak, someone will take advantage of your weakness. I'm afraid that's just human nature and the way the real world works. The idea is to deter war by having the strength to stop would-be aggressors. Also, navies do a lot more than just fight, they also do humanitarian missions, disaster relief, anti-piracy, anti drug smuggling work etc.
MrCutsteel 2 weeks ago
The Type 23 is a piece of shit, I'm British and even I know that.
ProGaming10 1 month ago 14
@ProGaming10: Type 23 is good at what it was meant to do - hunt submarines. It's one of the quietest warships around for that reason. It was never meant to be a general purpose frigate even though it's now used as one.
MrCutsteel 2 weeks ago
@MrCutsteel That's why when we build the Type 26 we will have 8 Anti Submarine ships and 5 General Puropse platforms.
MrXray2011 1 week ago
@MrXray2011 Yes but again.....that's a decade or more away. And the French have about 20 light frigates and corvettes, not counting their 12 warfighting frigates.
What we could do with is some of those C3 'global corvettes' that were mooted a few years ago. They don't need to be high-end warfighting ships, they just need to be cheap enough so we can afford plenty of hulls for presence duties around the world. We do have the River class, but only 4 of them.
MrCutsteel 1 week ago
@MrCutsteel: But anyway I was just pointing out that it's not fair to compare the T23 to a GP frigate, since it wasn't designed to be one. As an ASW platform it's very far from being a 'piece of shit' as ProGaming10 put it. I think we're in agreement there.
MrCutsteel 1 week ago
@MrCutsteel France have 21 Frigates that's it. Many of these are small, outdated 'Light Firgates.' We have the edge with technology and size. Just because they have more does not mean that they have the best. We only have 420 Challenger II's- but they're better than the 8,000 odd, Abrams that the US have. We shouldn't get C3's we should design new Destroyers and new frigates (which we are) and so what UKIP want to do...
MrXray2011 1 week ago
@MrXray2011 they want;
3x QE Class
12x Destroyers- which should be 6x Type 45 and 6x UXV's.
22x Frigates- all Type 26's- although new ones should be designed.
12x SSN's
4x SSBN's (which we have anyway.)
MrXray2011 1 week ago
@MrXray2011: Hey, I'd love to see 40 or 50 type 45s and Type 26s, but it ain't gonna happen! In addition to their frigate / light frigates the French have about ten ships called avisos - corvettes, basically. They aren't first class warships (although they are armed with Exocets) but they're useful for patrol duties and in an emergency could be used to bolster a task force. We could do with something like that.
MrCutsteel 1 week ago
@MrCutsteel....as I say, I think the River class could be the basis of a RN corvette. Just build about a dozen of them and make them capable of being tooled up with Harpoon in an emergency. The idea wouldn't be to replace the high-tech ships, but to supplement them.
Challenger vs Abrams is debatable! As a Brit I'd go with Chally II - but both are very advanced tanks.
MrCutsteel 1 week ago
@MrCutsteel Exocets are getting easy to destroy though- they were new in the 80's but the Type 45 can take them out--- the UK has better missiles than Exocet now though. They are still not as powerful as the UK- have you ever been on Global Firepower. The RN has always been better than the MN in quality of ships, crews and commanders. Again, I agree that we should have larger numbers. 2001 levels of ships would be good,
3x ACC
22x Frigates
12x Destroyers
12x SSN
4x SSBN.
MrXray2011 1 week ago
@MrXray2011: I'm not saying the avisos can go up against the RN - but they still have their uses, that's my point. You need high end warfighting ships yes, but you also need numbers, and if you can't afford 40 first class warfighters then 20 warfighters and 20 corvettes is the next best thing.
MrCutsteel 1 week ago
@MrCutsteel
Yeah that is true- at least then the major Surface Combatants can be used more effectivly... i.e. against Argentina. The thing is we can afford them. We have the 3rd largest military expenditure in the world... by my logic that means that we should have the 3rd largest Navy, 3rd largest AF and 3rd largest army- although we pay our servicemen a better wage surely we can afford more than 19 Frigates and Destroyers with £70 billion a year...
MrXray2011 1 week ago
@MrXray2011 when we're not fighting in Afghanistan I'm sure more money will become avaliable but that will probably be given to Africa or work shy people here in the UK!
I am a Tory and always will be but if the Labour Party promise to rebuild the military then I may vote for them once to get them in to sign the contracts then go back to the Tories. It's shamful because I hate Labour and all Left Wing politics but they seem to be the only ones that want a big military :(
MrXray2011 1 week ago
@MrXray2011: I don't have much faith in either party. Labour reduced the fleet too-they were the ones that got rid of the Sea Harrier and reduced the Type 45 buy. At least they signed up to build the carrriers (though after much delay).
Yes, we could afford a better military if we didn't piss so much money away. Trouble is politicians are shortsighted and they can't see further ahead than the next election.
MrCutsteel 1 week ago
@MrCutsteel UKIP are good if you want a bigger military. They want to spend an extra 1% of GDP on the military. We do spend too much on useless shit- in fact a recent study showed that we spent £250 on a bolt, for the Type 45, that should cost £10- that is why the military has had to make cuts. I would rather get rid of benefits and have work houses (nicer than they used to be). well benefits for people who truely need it (i.e. illness) but if you're out of work then into teh house
MrXray2011 1 week ago
@MrXray2011: I dunno about workhouses exactly - but certainly workfare. I'd make them turn up on Monday morning at the job centre where they would be found something to do - picking litter or whatever. The thing is, I don't want to punish people who are genuinely out of work through no fault of their own - anyone can get made redundant- but the career parasites who have no intention of getting a job are the ones who need a kick up the arse.
MrCutsteel 1 week ago
@MrCutsteel: But yeah, the MoD like every government department, piss money away through ineffficiency. If they were private companies they'd go bust in no time.
MrCutsteel 1 week ago
@MrCutsteel They may have been out of work through no fault of their own but they should still produce goods for the state. They should not be treated as criminals (they should be given nice places to live.) It's not punishment- they just don't take money from th state- but there are jobs out there, and I do not believe anyone who claims that there are not!
MrXray2011 1 week ago
@MrXray2011: I agree there are a lot of bums taking the piss - there's plenty around here. But I don't count someone who has worked and paid taxes say for 20 years and then gets made redundant as being in the same category as a scrounger who has no intention of working. I think the recently-redundant should be given time to find a job - say six months - after that, if they want to stay on benefits they have to work for them.
MrCutsteel 1 week ago
@MrCutsteel:.....that's the way the system used to work. Around a hundred years ago, when national insurance was first introduced, it was known as 'unemployment insurance' - people in work literally were paying a state-backed insurance policy. If they were made redundant their insurance kicked in and paid out - but only for a limited time. I think we need to go back to something like that.
MrCutsteel 1 week ago
@MrCutsteel: Maybe it could even be privatised......now there's a radical idea! Privatised unemployment insurance.......
MrCutsteel 1 week ago
@MrCutsteel I know about Liberal Reforms- I got an A* at GCSE History! :) It is sad if a person is made redundant but then does this mean that they should go on benefits. These Work Houses would not be as bad as they used to be.
MrXray2011 1 week ago
@ProGaming10 It is well known as the best anti- submarine ship in the world- it is getting old, that is why we have designed and will soon be building the Type 26.
MrXray2011 1 week ago
@ProGaming10
yeah germans can sink any british ship hahahaha
logelamutp 5 days ago
why is the danish Iver Huitfeldt-class frigate not in the list?
AdmiralMoeberg 1 month ago
By the way, how can the Type 45 even be excluded from this video?
laurensreinds 1 month ago
@laurensreinds because i think its a destroyer not a frigate? the type 26 will be our new frigate class and that definately will be included lol
TheLegendofpk 1 month ago
@TheLegendofpk Technically, the 7 Provinciën is also a destroyer. It is just called a frigate because it sounds less aggressive.
But okay, your argument is valid.
laurensreinds 1 month ago
I say, drop the Chinese vessel, put the Alvaro de Bazán in it's place, move the Zeven Provinciën class up to first and put the Type 45 in second.
laurensreinds 1 month ago
@laurensreinds
Type 45 is a destroyer.....duh..not frigate
rohitb3 1 month ago
@laurensreinds I do not understand since in a ship of 8000 tn only they have put 48 wells, when Aster 15 and 30 occupy 1 well each one, not like that in F-100 and Zeven Pr that can use 4 ESSM for every well, then a F-100 or ZP would take 24 SM2 or SM 3 + 96 ESSM. on the other hand so much the PAMMS com the APART-SMART have to demonstrate that they are better than the SPY-1 D (V). At the moment the fact that type 45 and ZP used rotary radar is an anachronism.
VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA 1 month ago
@VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA Well, about the wells, I know that the Ticonderoga class, which is a lot larger than both the Zeven Provinciën and the Álvaro classes, indeed has two or three times more wells.
I can't agree with you on the radar systems though. The rotary SMART-L is just part of a larger radar system. Just as almost any modern battleship, the ZP does have phased array radar, next to numerous other sensors and electronic systems, which have actually proven to be superior.
laurensreinds 1 month ago
@laurensreinds With regard to of the wells, I have not spoken anything of them TICO, what charm is that so many ZP since F-100 have more capacity that Type 45, which alone can take 1 missile - well, vs 4 ESSM well of the ZP and F-100, continues being affirmed by me that this AEGIS proved in combat and it is a system with 25 years of evolution and improvement and alone SMART/apart has demonstrated to have more scope.
VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA 1 month ago
@laurensreinds On the other hand YES that is very important to have a gyratory radar and it is an anachronism, because with a gyratory radar in assaults for saturation, important tenths of second get lost, besides this a gyratory radar worsens very much the RCS (the capacity Stealth), the worse thing of everything is that if for breakdown or damages of the combat, it loses this radar: GOOD-BYE, this is impossible in AEGIS, would be that to lose 4 sides.
VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA 1 month ago
@VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA Stealth would be an issue with regular rotating antenna. However, the SMART-L system features a somewhat stealthy housing, as is the rest of the sensor suite. Concerning stealth; the phased array of the Zeven Provinciën sits in a mast, while the Álvaro de Bazán has it integrated into the bridge tower, increasing radar signature.
The AEGIS system uses exposed antenna masts, which is more vulnerable and has even partially snapped on rare occasions.
laurensreinds 1 month ago
@VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA By the way, finally someone who actually knows what he is talking about... ;]
laurensreinds 1 month ago
@laurensreinds I agree with you in whom the Smart/apart L is the best of the new systems, but I continue believing that AEGIS is the best for assaults for saturation (since they demonstrated the F-100 in the Tiger Meet of the NATO) since this system was developed USSR to defend itself from massive assaults of the fleet. In any case we do not know which of the new systems and bands L, E, X, etc, will be that of the future. The AEGIS goes towards the X, for example.
VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA 1 month ago
@laurensreinds You have reason, we can not agree, but each one exposes his reasons, but in 99 % of videos in YOUTUBE, you cannot reason with anybody, because the majority they are children that the only thing that they know of technology, is the " Call of Duty "
VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA 1 month ago
@VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA Haha, exactly. Well, lets just say both are formidable warships and they'll still beat the pirates and chinks if needed.
laurensreinds 1 month ago
@laurensreinds Ah certainly I have a good news for you and your ZP, Holland has contracted Tecnobit (it is a company of optronics of Spain) in order that this one, mount in the ships the Datalink 11, 16 and 22, with this can to communicate so much the guide's systems, since of weapon with F-100, Eurofighter, Burke, Aircraftcarrier USA, etc.
VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA 1 month ago
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The Spanish navy is the best navy of the world for a lot of time, the Spanish navy discovered américa, governed half a world, the invincible navy, and now you possess the best frigates of combat of the world, everything they thanks to it to our marines and our great navy
cabrutis 1 month ago
The Top 10 Best "stealth ships" in the World?
oominoomi 1 month ago
excuse me, could you tell me what's the background music?
thomasflee 2 months ago
@thomasflee Geoff Zanelli, Hans Zimmer & Blake Neely
'Honor (Main Title Theme from "The Pacific")'
4Anonymos 2 months ago
Korvette 130, best in the woorld, 1 cost 1,2 billion € and the modernest =)
Trustds07 2 months ago
@Trustds07 But doesn't work because they screwed up the gear. They are built for years but still not 100% in service.
fire112germany 1 month ago
@fire112germany Yep^^, But.....SOON!.. =D
Trustds07 1 month ago
@Trustds07 Hopefully.
fire112germany 1 month ago
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i would love to see admiral gorshkov on the list bit they are still building that baby .. It will have on it s-400 sam ....
TheKifinas 2 months ago
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TheKifinas 2 months ago
why you motherfuckers underestimate China ??? One day she will kick your ass ....
TheKifinas 2 months ago
@TheKifinas Plain and simple China has never really invested in their Navy but their Air Force and Army. Although they are pumping money into research, they are for all intents and purposes a Land based military. They are only investing now to secure their foreign supplies of energy and are still about 2 generations back to modern navies. It's not that they are bad, it's just they have never been the focus of the Chinese military until now.
Vortex21x 3 weeks ago
@Vortex21x i will accept that ..
TheKifinas 3 weeks ago
LULZ @ N00BZ, RIFTER IS TEH BEST FRIGATE EVAH!!1!
Morgansaur 2 months ago
HEY! YOU DID THIS VIDEO, YOU ARE A STUPID NO CULTURE CHINESE, RIGHT? SPANISH FIRST.....AND GOOD PLACE FOR CHINESE LOW TECH NAVY,......SO FUNNY LITTLE BOY......
youpeopleofmonkeys 2 months ago
@youpeopleofmonkeys hehehe..how r you boy
89Bossi 2 months ago
@youpeopleofmonkeys Whats wrong with the F100?
Spanish have been making battle ships for a looooong time.
Lynxtpm 2 months ago
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cabrutis 1 month ago
the only thing i dont like is the type 21, replace it with the ANZAC class then i think this list will be correct
Samm8420 2 months ago
niceeeee the Dutch are second!
jimba222 2 months ago
The ranking is good, but I am surprised that the Nansen class was ranked as high as it was, just behind the "all but in name" destroyers.
The Visby class is a great littoral asset, but with it's limited crew, sensors, armaments and endurance it is just wrong to talk about "Visby" and "multirole" in the same sentence. The Visby class is a coastal surface combatant with limited self-defence capabilities in AS and AAW.
sboverland 2 months ago
Parhaps you dont undearstand multirole ships at all.
There are 2 types of those.
1. There is ships what is goot agaist, air, subs, surface, land.
2. There is ships what can be fitted with different modules.
That they can be one of from #1. Same hull same design but different role.
And thats it.
lintu25 2 months ago
"true multirole ships are anti-sub"
Haha, what an multirole if they are agaist submarines. Think frist speak then.
lintu25 2 months ago
no 1 is old school ship... designed in 60-70. Come out in 80.
Do you really think that jar can do shit agaist modern stealth ships?
Really?
lintu25 2 months ago
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TelpPov 2 months ago
@lintu25 lol yeah start changing topic loser. U.S is developing Arleigh Burke flight III and zumwalt stealth destroyer for true multi-role. The Independence-class only fills in coastal combat duty. Don't be a loud mouth and spewing fake crap when you are even confusing urself. Sweden navy invested money to ask for a true multi-role ship instead they got a handicapped one. It's a failed ship with a working stealth design. That's it. Why an idiot like you is defending it is pretty ridiculous.
TelpPov 2 months ago
@TelpPov No i dont change topic.
But dont you see how navy is improving?
U still classified ships... How you can classifed multirole ships?
They are same lenght, same KT. But totaly different role in the seas?
Plz wake up.
lintu25 2 months ago
@TelpPov Oh my. Many country is developing this and that.
and yes, usa got nice toys, so? But plz tell us all what is "true multirole"-ship?
lintu25 2 months ago
@lintu25 true multirole ships are anti-sub, ship to ship and anti-air and now anti-missiles as well. And the effectiveness of these roles are decided by their installed systems i.e. the accuracy and range of these 3 capabilities. Stealth is a big advantage no doubt. But others ships over time also have improved radars like the new Arleigh Burke III version. Visby can't claim to be a top boat if Sweden Navy asked for 3 capabilities and the all they are are 2 out of 3. How simple is that?
TelpPov 2 months ago
@TelpPov
Oh boy, u talk a lot of that "Arleigh Burke III version", when it come out?
lintu25 2 months ago
@TelpPov And i didnt say Visby is top. I say it is real multirole stealt ship.
and awsome cool toy for swedish.
lintu25 2 months ago
@lintu25 awesome cool toy? More like time/money ran out and ur navy got what they didn't ask for. Any real blue-water navy won't throw their cash into such limited toy boat. All Visby boats have the same modules and no other variants. All other modules u wish for are either scraped or cancelled. It's just a 1-dimensional ship that can't even venture into deep ocean by itself. U are just raving about the stealth technology that should be deployed on much better ship rather than this little toy.
TelpPov 2 months ago
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Personally would have rated T23 bit higher.
Why no Russian frigates?
simplysmartification 2 months ago
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simplysmartification 2 months ago
hummmmm !! Formidable class syngapour based La Fayette class of France !!!??
TheLolo51140 3 months ago
hmm I'm thinking the ANZAC Class frigate should have made it into this list, perhaps not that far up on account of being a little old now but it is very heavilly armed for a ship of its size
raybot1 3 months ago
LOL....u'll make sure India comes after China.....wont u...
Even though Shivalik class is bigger,has more firepower and is armed with the fastest cruise missile in the world,BrahMos, Type 054 comes ahead...LOL
rohitb3 3 months ago
Ahh.. leave it. Russia wants war.. makes us happy. We're exporter number 4 ww.
Brulluhman 3 months ago
Based on your criteria, why no American ships? The Perry Class firgate has much better numbers than some of your choices. Just wondering.
HEADBANGBALLER 3 months ago
@HEADBANGBALLER
Because everyones sick of hearing about America I suppose. There not the only nation on this planet. Many nations have been here thousands of years before any Europeans even set foot on the American continent...
MrDeano324 3 months ago
@MrDeano324 Yeah, whatever. What the fuck does that have to do with anything? It's why list like these are so fucked up, because they let bigotry and discrimination cloud the truth, that American designs and builds the best military equipment on the planet. You can choose to ignore that fact and act like the rest of the world, which is ignorant. America is the only super power left, and it's understandable that you lesser nations dislike us. Good. We could care less.
HEADBANGBALLER 2 months ago
@HEADBANGBALLER
You asked a question, I gave an answer. I couldnt care less whether you liked the answer or not you arrogant fool. You talk of discrimination and bigotry then call all other nations in the world "lesser". Thats called hypocrisy. Go to anger management or something, Jesus Christ...
MrDeano324 2 months ago
@HEADBANGBALLER American desings are the best?
WHy there is Swedes made stealth submarine schooling USA navy?
Do u know who is Von Braun, man behind you missle defence, your man in the moon.
He was German orgin.
So shutta fuck up.
lintu25 2 months ago
What country do you live in? Before I go any further, I want to know what I am dealing with before I slam dunk your ass. Or are you one of those countries that only exist because of all the money America gives to you to prop you up?
HEADBANGBALLER 2 months ago
@HEADBANGBALLER U cant click your mouse?
If u cant even do that, plz dont speak with me. Thank you.
lintu25 2 months ago
fright
lwkmkam 3 months ago
yup but where is USS INDEPENDENCE !!!!!
dexen2 3 months ago
@dexen2 It's independent, are you stupid?
LOLLIEGEEFMELOLLY 3 months ago
@LOLLIEGEEFMELOLLY independence not independent u fuckyn idiot...........
dexen2 3 months ago
@dexen2 That's not what i ment, are you stupid?
LOLLIEGEEFMELOLLY 3 months ago
The british Type 23 shouldnt be there. It´s old, not stealth, not Aegis, not anything. It is a walking corpse. Anything chinese or indian is also very weird to be put here, but we respect your opinion.
Tecnigod 3 months ago
@Tecnigod Actually the Type 23 does have radar reducing features, and it is widely reguarded as the worlds best anti-submarine warship- in fact it really is the worlds best anti-submarine warship. It's being replaced by the Type 26 from about 2919-2020 anyway.
MrXray2011 3 months ago
@MrXray2011 2020? We will be driving UFO´s by then. Nevermind. Just do what Singapure did. Buy state of the art frigates from France like the Formidable Class: youtube.com/watch?v=vBdbjeI31wQ
Why wasting time/money trying to develope frigates when the french were ages ahead since the time of the "Lafayette class". I mean they comissioned things in the 90´s, that most countries are even still trying to design. Or... buy aegis frigates from the spanish Navantia yards like the norwegian did.
Tecnigod 3 months ago
@Tecnigod We have a better system than Aegis (Type 45) and future Type 26 frigate.
The last Type 23 was commissioned in 2002 or 4 so they're not that old. And we have the Type 45 destroyer (best in the world)
MrXray2011 3 months ago
@MrXray2011 Type 23... Chile is using those frigates in 2nd hand. I mean, what the hell did you became? You are using the same frigate a country from a 3rd world continent is using, (no offense to South Africa in Africa and theire new german Mekos). Your aircraft carriers (the only one remaining) are also old like crap and i wana see how you will have money to come up with the new ones in the middle of a european economic crysis. Italy and Spain built theires just in time.
Tecnigod 3 months ago
@Tecnigod Yeah- we sold them to them. The new Type 26 will be inservice from 2020 and they will be the best frigates in the world. And actually the Type 23 is seen as the best ASW ship in the world. And we've already bought the two aircraft carriers!! Ours will be better than the Italian and Spanish one
MrXray2011 3 months ago
@Tecnigod
type 23...its not that great....but India's Shivalik Class and China's Type 54 class...? try to do a bit of research bfore posting dumb comments like these...
For eg. Shivalik class is stealth , one of the most advanced today and fitted with the World's FASTEST Crusie missile,BrahMos.
And as u might know, China and India are among the top 5 powers today and hv started to challenge Usa's might,
rohitb3 3 months ago
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Tecnigod 3 months ago
The F-100 frigates of Spain have only the name of frigates, this ships are destroyers... everybody know that.
KikinBcN 4 months ago
try to see l c s 2
roseviery 4 months ago
The best frigates are the German "Baden-Württemberg class", the British "Daring class" and the French "FREMM class".
dustyOn3 4 months ago
@dustyOn3 Hold on pal! The Daring class is a destroyer. Not a frigate. if you want to compare them, compare with the Horizon class (french/italian). not with the french fremm class.
Tecnigod 3 months ago
@dustyOn3 But the German "Baden-Württemberg class" is still in the development process, will be finished and combat-ready between 2016-2018...
German "Brandenburg class" should be mentioned, in service since the mid-90s but the most reliable ships of the german Navy. Btw Germanys "Sachsen" and Netherlands "Seven Proviencien" are basically the same ships. The difference is, the Dutch Ships were developed without the technical problems of the "Sachsen"
ForRicksbak 3 months ago
Why most of ships got so 90-gree angele front command deck ?
THat is just not modern... See visby class corvette.
lintu25 4 months ago
@lintu25 You don't know much about destroyers and frigates do you? The 90-degree angel building in the front is the multi-function phased array radar, with the radar panels on each side. These ships are guided missile defense frigates. They are there to shoot down fighter jets and hunt submarines. The effectiveness and accuracy of these phased array systems determine how modern these ships are, not some physical shape design employed by corvettes, which serve totally different purposes.
TelpPov 3 months ago
@TelpPov sorry, but VIsby can hunt down subs, shoot other naval vessels and kill air targets.
And its so called stealthship and very modern.
You and that Tordenguden, perhaps forget that most modern ships has multirole. Those corvettes, frigates etc. classifications are from the old days, when ships were made from wood.
Ships become more and more compact and pack more punch. Well atleast that is what i think.
What is our fast attack craft classification? (rauma and hamina)
See my point?
lintu25 3 months ago
@lintu25 Modern ships classification are still very much relevant. Visby is exactly not a frigate. It's just higly specilalized for small area defense perfect for small navy like Sweden. Its stealth sacrifices firepower and operational range, exactly the purpose the a corvette as they were for centuries. Most of these frigates above are for wider range of conflicts. There is no need for stealth when you are guarding a super carrier out in the open.
TelpPov 3 months ago
@lintu25 and Like I said before, the ship with the most advanced Phased Array radar and internal electrons wins because it determines who can hit more accurate at longer range, and that's how frigates are evaluated. Since Sweden cannot afford destroyers or any larger ship. Visby is designed with stealth for better initial-conflict self-preservation. The frigates in the video are out there in your-face-types to divert enemy fire from their DDGs and CVNs in much bigger navies.
TelpPov 3 months ago
@lintu25 and In the end you cannot send corvettes like Visby in blue-water to actively engage in full-scale conflict because the stealth factor is pretty much gone instantly at that point and much more powerful ships just out gun and out tough a corvette class. Visby is high specialized for one area of expertise at best but it cannot be ranked among true multi-role ships
TelpPov 3 months ago
@TelpPov Perhaps you join the navy and update your information.
Multirole is big thing, if u dont see that. Your same idiot what Yamato try to tell the Japanies war council, that Aircraft carriers are next huge thing.
And what happend, Admiral Yamamoto was right.
lintu25 3 months ago
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TelpPov 3 months ago
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TelpPov 3 months ago
@lintu25 lol idiot learn to read. I didn't say it's not multi-role. But it's only multi-role designed for Sweden for defending their coastal areas. They can't afford massive fleets, air support. So this corvette sacrifice many things for stealth the initial advantage, since Sweden likely will be outnumbered by a potential adversary For example Russia. But no bigger country take this corvette to the big games, fleet vs fleet operations it neither has the capability nor the capacity for it.
TelpPov 3 months ago
@TelpPov youtube.com/watch?v=FqO9R8L-Rww&feature=related
Go play your rolegames, boy.
lintu25 3 months ago
@lintu25 Try bring those little guns for close range defense to the big games. The only weapon integrated was the gun and it has no surface-to-air missiles rofl!!. So it's only for anti-subs and ship to ship in coastal area with out any sort of air defense what a joke. It's not even true multi-role as u claimed and it has no anti-ballistic and anti-missile capability. It also has pathetic ammunition and fuel capacity. Don't lie to start an argument, you been wasting my time.
TelpPov 3 months ago
@lintu25 And Sweden is so disgusted at its reduced operation capability after pouring in so much money. It already cancelled all future ones.
TelpPov 3 months ago
@TelpPov U havent even serve in the navy. So shut up.
lintu25 2 months ago
@lintu25 ahhaha, no anti-air missile system. What a sitting duck out in the ocean. Hide in the home port for air support from other elements? Yep time for a troll like you to start spewing crap like a troll.
TelpPov 2 months ago
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lintu25 2 months ago
@lintu25 and that is why the U.S froze the development of Zumwalt destroyers. Because it is incapable of doing many things sacrificed just for stealth. So it lacks the demand for true multi-role capability an entire U.S fleet requires.
TelpPov 3 months ago
@lintu25 Visby is a corvette, its role is completly different from a frig.
Tordenguden 3 months ago
what the fuck is that heap of metal shit doing at spot 2?
cubosensaj 4 months ago
@cubosensaj it wants sloppy seconds on your mum
derpotni3riots 4 months ago
LaFayette
MrFlaujac 4 months ago
the best is ofc Visby so the rest not even close and i know this for sure since it is the only one to be able to do the multipurpose job. And also the smallest of them all and the only truu stealthed one and also one of the hardest hitting and with the best arnament. So this list sucks totaly. And i have been abord the swedish, two made by the germans and also the new by the russians so i am quite sure of what i say :)
TiltedFuture 5 months ago
@TiltedFuture Visby are great corvettes, but its a different kind of ship. And no, visby is not the only ship cut for a multipurpose role. Like Sweden has the Visby class, Norway has the Skjold class, witch is as tealthy as the Visby, smaller, faster and has equal amount of weapons, however...it cant fill the role of a frigate, thats why Norway has the Nansen class. Frigates has a much greater radar range, due to largers radars, and they are more fitted for longer operations.
Tordenguden 3 months ago
Mean F35.
Brulluhman 5 months ago
De Zeven provinciën uses Thales radarsystems and the Alvaro de Bazan Aegis radarsystems. German and Dutch frigates are therefor more advanced. Thales can spot all stealthy objects and Thalis is years ahead of the competition, while Aegis is a product of Lockheed Martin.. they also develope the JSF. Thales Netherlands develope radarsystems that can spot the F22, F118, F25 and the Chinese J20 at a range of 400 km and recently 1000 km (you would need tomahawks for that as airdefence, but still).
Brulluhman 5 months ago
@Brulluhman aegis is not radar,is a combat system,the radar is s-py and it is better than thales.
yakolin07 4 months ago
@yakolin07 No it isn't that's why Thales won the competition to build a 2000 km SMART-L European rocketshield (better price and performance than Aegis). Next to this all countries replacing their radarsystems with Thales, even the British lately bought a few for their aircraft carrier.
Brulluhman 4 months ago
@Brulluhman Actually Thales lost the competition when the norwegian navy tested both aegis and thales. Thales might be better in some costal envirement, but the aegis won hands down in the norwegian tests. The norwegian navy choose thales for their skjold class though, but thats mainly due to no aegis would fit the small size of the ships.
Tordenguden 3 months ago