!!!!! OMFG that's a real live no-valves period authentic blow-a-blood-vessel-in-your-brain trumpet ! And what is that, a cor anglais, does anyone even make em like that anymore ? And they're busting ass on that tempo, and they just end it with barely a rit. like it wudn't no big deal what they just did. Who ARE these cats ?
My guess is that the trumpet player is sitting down because he is playing that thing to the extreme & if he were to stand up, he'd probably pass out!! MAN THAT GUY CAN PLAY!!!!!
@The Euphman: What valves? Take a closer look... no valves there! Best view at 2:00... he's wiggling his fingers on a bare bit of pipe... Really good player.
It is a natural trumpet, also known as a baroque trumpet. Valveless, hence the pinched sound, as trumpeter has to reach all of those pitches mostly on his own. Kudos to him, he's rather beast at it.
Its a natural trumpet. There aren't any valves so all of the notes are formed by playing different notes in the horn's harmonic series. The holes that people are mentioning are merely to improve intonation, they don't give the instrument any additional chromatic abilities
its kind of funny to note that every one except the trumpet player moves like a fucking puppet on a string,,, expression comes from within, not outside, its not a visual show but an aural one.
@pacman80500 Never heard of Dancing? The movement is obviously not important for the show but the music is so fun and rhythmic to play that you can forgive their excitement right?
@MAEdalgo cuz i hate the trumpet. it's loud, it's shrill, it's annoying. sorta like you. i AM a music lover. i'm just not a trumpet lover. deal with it. (let's see what body part you call me now).
@BughouseMASTER wow...bughouse as in CHESS bughouse? if so, COOL! I'm a chessplayer, but last time i played bughouse i lost to a 13 year old in like no time flat. I'm old so I like slower chess... :)
aber ich muss sagen....in jeden fall nicht nur in diesem...arum sagt man BAROCK orchester?Nur weil man auf einer naturtrompete spielt?Warum sind die Trompeter heutzutage so schlecht, das sie Klappen bzw. Löcher brauchen?? Geht es nicht ohne...nur weil es dann nicht immer sauber klingt...so klingt es aber nicht nach KOMPLETT BAROCK...
Ich musste das einfach loswerden...ist trotzdem schön und ih mag das Video sehr....
Let's face it. If Bach was alive today he would have written in all sorts of genres. Almost certainly writing for Zepplin, Floyd and Velvet Underground
I love the all mighty Bach. I love the fact that there is so much passion in music composed with such mathmatical precision. Bach had an orderly mind and a wild heart. Oh,and I believe that that piece of music was the theme music of William Buckley's program, " Firing Line ".
@sleedolfine15 "Bach had an orderly mind and a wild heart." I have never heard a better summation of the character of this grosser mann's musik. Well said.
@kaloleon seems like recorder, harpsichord, and violin to me. I've got the score somewhere in my room, but I'm far too comfortable to go dig it up right now.
It's a baroque trumpet. this modern replica has holes. the original imstrument has no holes. this is a german 3 hole variant. it approximates an authentic performance but makes the tuning much more freindly as the natural trumpet is very out of tune. it has a small thumb hole and a hole for the index and thumb.
@LudwigVanDirks I like the first 10 or so seconds(If you go to this ensemble's interpretation, it's 15 seconds) of Bach's first Brandenburg Concerto's first movement, that's the best for me I think.
In a word -- OUTSTANDING; all three movements. TO THE BAROQUE OBOIST: great job. Played it a few times and it is a difficult piece. With those long phrases it is difficult to find a place to breathe. What make is your instrument? Denner? I have a Stanesby. You have a much darker and rounder tone; and most importantly, CENTERED!
Well, I love to think of this music, that make me stronger when thinking to any other music just make me sad, angry or sleepy... but when I listen to its different...
Maybe its the interpretation... I love he 5th brandenburg with Gould, he didn't perform the others?
i hope all of you notice that only the trumpet player isn't concerned with looking cool and dramatic for the camera. if he was, he would probably collapse from exhaustion somewhere in the middle of this movement. it's a bit harder than the flutophone or putting your fingers on a string or pushing harpsichord buttons.
it's not about looking cool for the camera.. when you play a string insturment, your body moves... for us to constrain ourselves to no movement would hinder the music. it's like when a baseball player swings a bat... or throws a ball... the extra movement at the end is not "for show"... it's the natural tendency of the body. just because one brass player does not move does not mean that all other brass players are the same. i've performed with many natural horn players that move when playing
please clarify me. Isn't the pace of this execution too fast? was it originally writen to be played this fast or is it some particular interpretation of this group? They seem to be in a hurry!!
NO it wasn't supposed to be this fast and yes it is a poor interpretation of the music. The music doesn't go anywhere instead it just sounds like a bunch of notes back and forth but they aren't making music with it. Yes it is supposed to be very brilliant and happy.
Bach himself did not indicate any tempo markings on the Brandenburg Concertos, therefore the entire subject is up to the interpretation of the performers. Most performances i've seen play the first movement of this piece more deliberately to introduce the feel of the piece and play this movement at near this tempo. This is acceptable if the performers can maintain the even tempo, a few performers could not in this performance sending the counterpoint into disarray. as Jir already pointed out.
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Thiey played it too fast and with too much tension. They didn't enjoy what they were doing it seems, which was to render this piece into a celebratory music making. They absolutely butchered this beautiful piece !!!.
thank you at least someone has brains enough to know that this piece is rushed and not pleasant to listen to. It's impressive the way they play it but not pleasant.
Lol they don't look like they're enjoying playing this piece at all it's nothing but a race. that's it cuz it doesn't go anywhere (the music i mean) it's just a bunch of notes. I'm sure that Bach meant for the music to go somewhere.
what rubbish yourdefender ''Well anyway... Baroque is right aslong as the notes are syncopated and it sounds trilly and tunefull. So whats the problem with tiempo?'' i think you will find that there is a lot more to it than that, and im sure anyone who has studied Bach harmony will agree with me.
Yes the Frieburg Baroque Orchestra, whose members have years of experience in Baroque music, have degrees in music, and years of international playing experience misinterpret the meaning of allegro. don't call me ignorant, and don't resort to insulting people to protect yourself. Especially, as the cellist says, based on their country.
Thanks for showing how much of a brown nose you are.Having a degree isn't enough. People earn degrees and are still stupid.I never said these guys were bad technical players but I am criticizing the passion and the way they play that doesn't sound brilliant at all. these concertos are supposed to sound happy and brilliant. I wonder why the best recordings in the world match my taste hmm? Exact tempo exact style. Makes you wonder a bit doesn't it? Im sure these guys are great at technique.
Might I add that the 2006 Grammophone award for best baroque recording went to Concerto Italiano's recording of the Brandenburgs which plays this movement a tad bit faster than what the Frieburg orchestra is playing here.
Don't give us your "impeccable" taste as a defence for your opinion. That's as arrogant a thing to do as I can imagine.
Might I add that bullshit award means nothing. I have another recording of another "Italian Ensemble" playing this 2/3 this speed and to me and to a lot of professional musicians that I talk to agree that it is perfect recording. This doesn't sound musical at all. Playing notes is one thing but sounding musical is another. Im surprised that your cocksucking harmonica teacher didnt teach you that.
That's no way to talk to someone who simply disagrees with you. You're a disgrace to classical musicians everywhere.
There are a hell of alot of musicians in and out of the historically informed performance field who would completely disagree with you.
I think this is plenty musical, but you can't seem to see that because your too busy whining about the tempo. Your view has nothing to do with musicality and everything to with your strict perceptions of what constitutes "allegro assai".
I'll give you another example of fast recordings of baroque music that suck. Have you ever heard the fast recordings of Spring from THE FOUR SEASONS? whenever I hear super fast recordings of it, it just annoys me how people destroy these great pieces of music. I'm not whining thank you I am pointing out the poor musical quality based on the tempo. This speed makes it sound like a bunch of notes. Although this one isn't as bad as some of their other recordings. Listen to concerto 4 movement 2.
It seems to me that you have no good reasons to suggest why this is poor. You just keep saying "it sounds like just a bunch of notes". That's hardly descriptive, and ultimately has little relevance to the tempo. This can be played alot slower and still just sound like a "bunch of notes".
It also seems to me that the vast majority of people who viewed this video seemed to think otherwise. So don't keep going on and on about how the professionals on your side. In fact, from my experiance, I can't think of a single professional I have met that would agree with you. And I can actually give you reasons why if you would allow me to elaborate without calling my "harmonica teacher" a "cocksucker".
By the way, my name has nothing to do with freakin harmonicas.
Well if you were any kind of musician you'd know that there is a big difference between making music and just playing notes. The tempo is so fast that they can't make it sound creative and musical.
The tempo has nothing to do with the musicality in this performance. I've heard performances twice as fast and twice as slow with far more or far less musicality.
Let me just say that you have a poor way of trying to bash on people who disagree with your so-called "impeccable" music interpretations so My opinion says along with many others that this piece of music played a bit slower would be much more musical instead of just plucking a bunch of notes.
And from politics point of view these awards go to people that they like because of politics not because of who is the better performer. You should wake up to the 21st century dude ur way behind.
I Have told you my opinion my friend and I am going to stick to it. Many people have this mentality of FASTER=BETTER which is totally wrong in my opinion. How can you be creative and brilliant if you are going fast all the time. LIke I said some of these aren't that bad but for example listen to the way they play the 4th concerto second movement. IF you tell me that it sounds musical and emotional I will lose all respect for you.
Let me tell you again and again mr doesn't understand. Understanding something and just rushing through it because you don't understand it are very relative right? I am saying that people should try to understand what Bach was writing and what mood he was in when he wrote each of these instead of just rushing fast to make it "sound impressive" Their performance is impressive but I wouldn't call it musical.
"mr doesn't understand"... really mature and clever there.
So, to you, musicality constitutes understanding what Bach intended when he wrote this? So this is not musical because it is fast, which you think is not what Bach wanted?
Let me ask you another question: Bach wrote "allgero assai", which, losely translated, means "very happy". Is this played "very happy"?
Have you ever tried to compose any baroque? its a nightmare :P lol. Well anyway... Baroque is right aslong as the notes are syncopated and it sounds trilly and tunefull. So whats the problem with tiempo?
Hey dumbo allegro doesn't mean running. It means Happy. And Assai means (very). Allegro Assai=Very happy. Once again this doesn't sound happy, sounds like a stressed man going to work late. Don't get me wrong these guys are good players but I have a strong disagreement with the way they interpret Bachs music.
What are you talking about?!?!? They're playing at a tempo of 114/m They're playing slower than Bach's tempo markings, the whole thing is notated in 8th and 16th notes
Wow were u actually there when Bach made those so called markings? man you must be old as hell. There are different markings for different versions so stop kissing ass. One of the greatest chamber orchestras from Italy play this pretty much perfect. They are called emusichi.
I don't know exactly how I am "kissing ass" by what i said. However the title of the movement, which is on the top of the screen states "Allegro Assai." Which, if you were actually a musician, you would know means Very (Assai) Fast (Allegro). This traditionally means that the piece is played at a range of 125 to 130 beats per minute.
however, i'm willing to concede the fault to a confusion in score notation. Historically I've seen this piece notated in both 4/4 and 2/2 which would change the ideal quarter note beat to as low as 70 or 80
despite what you may think, allegro does mean fast, in music notation, not in italian. In italian it means Bright and Cheerful. I can see, however on listening it again myself, why it sounds rushed. The tempo that they chose, albeit actually a little slow for the type of music that they were playing, was too fast for a few of the performers. The recorder and the bass were both playing catch up for most of the movement.
you are right the recorder, the bass and the flutistes werw in the pursuit of the rythm. This makes the whole sound as a race towards nowhere. Bach is wonderfull even so.
It's not what I think moron it's what the dictionary says. And I'm sure that if Bach wanted it to be fast he would've put presto on it. So by playing it fast you are totally ruining what he wrote. It sounds rushed because it doesn't sound happy like I said it rather sounds like a man rushing off to work when he is late.
in musical notation = cheerfully fast, not the rushed feeling of presto.
I mean, to a musician you would never describe a song such as "My Girl" for example as Allegro even though it is a Happy song, with a Happy feeling to the rhythm, that does not make it allegro.
Well, allegro tempi ought fall around 120 to 168 bpm, and 'allegro assai' means 'very' allegro; thus the piece ought to be played closer to 168 bpm than 120. Furthermore, 'allegro' is a tempo direction, not one indicating mood like 'maestoso' (though particular tempi might suit the mood better than others). Wozniak13 was not the one "who made allegro fast"- that's just how music works. If you look up the meaning of the word (or simply glance at a metronome), you will find this to be so.
Hehe this is funny how the trumpet player stays calm while the other musicians are hopping around.
MucusFelidae 1 day ago
asombrosamente virtuoso y sublime ejecucion aunque otro cello no estaria de mas
nezalrock 3 weeks ago
Friedemann Immer is the boss. Just incredible!!
Oblivion1music 2 months ago
RRAAAAAHHHH AHHHHHHH HOLY CRAP THIS WAS FUCKING GREAT!!!! GIYAAAHAHAHAHA WOOOOOOO!
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bassbass99able 5 months ago
That is not a Cor Anglais, If you talking about the Oboe thing it is an Oboe Da Caccia.
BeowulfVids 6 months ago
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There is no Oboe da Caccia in this concerto. That is simply a baroque oboe.
NoiseOverMusic 5 months ago
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BabexiiJannetae662 10 months ago
The trumpet player is called Friedemann Immer, one of the best of natural trumpet players in the world today. He has the nickname "sleepy giant".
barliman2001 11 months ago 9
anyone have this sheet music for a modern trumpet with valves?
buerm009 11 months ago
!!!!! OMFG that's a real live no-valves period authentic blow-a-blood-vessel-in-your-brain trumpet ! And what is that, a cor anglais, does anyone even make em like that anymore ? And they're busting ass on that tempo, and they just end it with barely a rit. like it wudn't no big deal what they just did. Who ARE these cats ?
boomaga 11 months ago 12
what kind of horn is that, are there no keys?
buerm009 11 months ago
@buerm009 baroque trumpet with holes
Axolo1991 11 months ago
So heavenly... soooooo heavenly... I saw the heaven....
Oistrakhfollower 1 year ago
My guess is that the trumpet player is sitting down because he is playing that thing to the extreme & if he were to stand up, he'd probably pass out!! MAN THAT GUY CAN PLAY!!!!!
Doohanfan 1 year ago
How could valves be fit into a tiny space?
No of course they're not valves.
BeowulfVids 1 year ago
@The Euphman: What valves? Take a closer look... no valves there! Best view at 2:00... he's wiggling his fingers on a bare bit of pipe... Really good player.
TheStevewhelan 1 year ago
@TheStevewhelan Actually, he's using a vented trumpet. They're not valves, but they sure aren't bare bits of pipe either.
WW2obsession 1 year ago
Haha the trumpet is fake using valves lol
TheEuphman 1 year ago
Haha the trumpet is fake using valves lol
TheEuphman 1 year ago
I love the recorder player. She is rocking out.
Madman2001madman 1 year ago
it's unbelievable that more than 200 years latter this music still sounds magnificent like a diamond this music is forever
cirosuperiore 1 year ago
what kind of trumpet was that guy playing
seeker00101 1 year ago
@seeker00101
It is a natural trumpet, also known as a baroque trumpet. Valveless, hence the pinched sound, as trumpeter has to reach all of those pitches mostly on his own. Kudos to him, he's rather beast at it.
blueberryskii 1 year ago 2
@blueberryskii right its soo kool :D
seeker00101 1 year ago
@seeker00101
Its a natural trumpet. There aren't any valves so all of the notes are formed by playing different notes in the horn's harmonic series. The holes that people are mentioning are merely to improve intonation, they don't give the instrument any additional chromatic abilities
pandrice93 1 year ago
its kind of funny to note that every one except the trumpet player moves like a fucking puppet on a string,,, expression comes from within, not outside, its not a visual show but an aural one.
pacman80500 1 year ago
@pacman80500 Never heard of Dancing? The movement is obviously not important for the show but the music is so fun and rhythmic to play that you can forgive their excitement right?
subgerocallidus 1 year ago
@pacman80500 lol d00d, omgggggggggggggggg
BughouseMASTER 1 year ago
i'd have to agree with you though.... im watching a MUSICAL performance, not some actors on a damn stage in new york city
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claviolino 1 year ago
oliver bierhoff on the violin!!!
claviolino 1 year ago
@claviolino
haha, with some imagination, yes. I haven't seen it from this perspective :D
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Axolo1991 1 year ago
My favorite one of the whole set!! >3<
KaiPendragon 1 year ago
i hate the trumpet. but this piece is pretty close to an exception.
bckm54 1 year ago
@bckm54 What a cunt. How can you be a true music lover with that attitude? Pretentious asshole
MAEdalgo 1 year ago
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bckm54 1 year ago
@MAEdalgo cuz i hate the trumpet. it's loud, it's shrill, it's annoying. sorta like you. i AM a music lover. i'm just not a trumpet lover. deal with it. (let's see what body part you call me now).
bckm54 1 year ago
@bckm54 You're a self proclaimed music lover. Nothing more. You foot.
MAEdalgo 1 year ago
@MAEdalgo LULZ!
BughouseMASTER 1 year ago
@bckm54 lulz!
BughouseMASTER 1 year ago
@BughouseMASTER wow...bughouse as in CHESS bughouse? if so, COOL! I'm a chessplayer, but last time i played bughouse i lost to a 13 year old in like no time flat. I'm old so I like slower chess... :)
bckm54 1 year ago
von Karajan - Brandenburg Concerto No. 2 in F major, BWV 1047 - DG, 1966 -
watch?v=KFJzGDkItyE
thanks and regards
classicvinylbiz 1 year ago
Super playing alround specialy the Baroque trumpet
george84178 1 year ago
b b b b r a v o . . .
MusicPredominates 1 year ago
For all Brandenburg Concerto videos, I always see the Freiburg Baroque Orchestra record.
davonindonesia1 1 year ago 3
Perfection
brookwall 1 year ago
I think The Freiburg B.O. is just greatI hope they visit England
JohnnyNorfolk 1 year ago
Sehr schöne aufnahme...wirklich...
aber ich muss sagen....in jeden fall nicht nur in diesem...arum sagt man BAROCK orchester?Nur weil man auf einer naturtrompete spielt?Warum sind die Trompeter heutzutage so schlecht, das sie Klappen bzw. Löcher brauchen?? Geht es nicht ohne...nur weil es dann nicht immer sauber klingt...so klingt es aber nicht nach KOMPLETT BAROCK...
Ich musste das einfach loswerden...ist trotzdem schön und ih mag das Video sehr....
NewEquinoxProduction 1 year ago
Were is Mr. William F Buckley, Jr.
1973jmg 1 year ago
@1973jmg Just what I was thinking that the ghost of William Buckley was enjoying this.
sleedolfine15 1 year ago
Let's face it. If Bach was alive today he would have written in all sorts of genres. Almost certainly writing for Zepplin, Floyd and Velvet Underground
27272745 1 year ago
I love the all mighty Bach. I love the fact that there is so much passion in music composed with such mathmatical precision. Bach had an orderly mind and a wild heart. Oh,and I believe that that piece of music was the theme music of William Buckley's program, " Firing Line ".
sleedolfine15 1 year ago
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@sleedolfine15 "Bach had an orderly mind and a wild heart." I have never heard a better summation of the character of this grosser mann's musik. Well said.
MikeDrewYT 1 year ago
Can somebody please tell me which instrument suddenly sounds at 1:06 ??
I can't seem to figure it out!!
kaloleon 1 year ago
@kaloleon seems like recorder, harpsichord, and violin to me. I've got the score somewhere in my room, but I'm far too comfortable to go dig it up right now.
Roboctopus 1 year ago
@kaloleon sobresalen las voces del Violonchello ( doublebass ) y la flaute (flute)
AlejandroMdz 1 year ago
I bet if Bach was still alive classical music or instrumental would more popular than it is today.
Gregq96 1 year ago
jahej wer will chattn ich ben so gelangweilt ^^ wer will meldet sich
CooperUThompsonq 1 year ago
It's a baroque trumpet. this modern replica has holes. the original imstrument has no holes. this is a german 3 hole variant. it approximates an authentic performance but makes the tuning much more freindly as the natural trumpet is very out of tune. it has a small thumb hole and a hole for the index and thumb.
mattparsons2 1 year ago
that looks like four holes to me...
jazzevans 1 year ago
@mattparsons2 There is Mr Eklund who is a total master of this insrument.
valvetrom 1 year ago
@valvetrom This is not mr. Eklund, This is Mr. Immer
tromporg 1 year ago
@tromporg Parden My English, what I meant :Go also and listen to Mr Eklund,please.
valvetrom 1 year ago
What is the trumpeter doing with his right hand?
fiandrhi 1 year ago
no valves, baroque trumpet, i think something similar to a clarinet with holes.
XYZslayer 1 year ago
@fiandrhi trumpeting?
Iridiry 1 year ago
Piccolo trumpet
numanuma20 1 year ago
uhmmmm, no XD
XYZslayer 1 year ago
im going to reincarnate as a natural trumpet virtuoso!
porpoisefathom 1 year ago 3
is the lead violinist without a cheek or chin rest and what sort of recorder is that ? a tenor recorder ?
3NUNS 2 years ago
@3NUNS i think its an alto recorder...
porpoisefathom 1 year ago
thankyou
3NUNS 1 year ago
I'm so glad to listen to this piece tuned to A415.
haquitsugu 2 years ago
I would be so scared to play on those ancient instruments, i would probably end up braking one
dauiske79 2 years ago
Bach just sounds good in any tempo or any instrument, even on a C64 homecomputer :-)
I find this relatively fast tempo sound more passionate, and less rigid. Like said before Bach didn't indicate a tempo...
Plato12345 2 years ago 13
Brilliant you know to play what I had on mind and heart - danke shoen jsb
Mrababab121212 2 years ago
2:20. I have yet to find a more beautiful ten seconds of music.
LudwigVanDirks 2 years ago 4
Yea. Probably what is known as a suspension !
3NUNS 2 years ago
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Listen to "Jailbait Baby" by Motorhead and you might think otherwise.
gorillabelly1 2 years ago
The master on top of his game. One would expect nothing less.
oneofspades 2 years ago
There are, several of them, but I'm afraid, they are all Bach's... again ;-)
bersa888 2 years ago
@LudwigVanDirks Hmm i can
Haaggus 1 year ago
@LudwigVanDirks I like the first 10 or so seconds(If you go to this ensemble's interpretation, it's 15 seconds) of Bach's first Brandenburg Concerto's first movement, that's the best for me I think.
Jagtarro 1 year ago
amazing
rtelaehthe35b 2 years ago
BRAVIIII!!!!
sirasy 2 years ago
This is where Paul McCartney got the idea for the piccolo trumpet solo on Penny Lane.
darkknight91 2 years ago
wonderfully done
dragonmelody 2 years ago
好！
Bon!
Bravo !
seattlesammi 2 years ago
bravo [2]
SiouxsieSehnsucht 2 years ago
bravo!
simplicitykitty 2 years ago
Fine musicians, ingenious music!
Yuriy21 2 years ago
Beautiful..... Though u couldn't really hear the string only the brass and woodwind :-(
JulieLemenaite 2 years ago
period instruments
FriendlyCroock 2 years ago
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JulieLemenaite 2 years ago
Well the stings are the harmony in this movement
ViVaCeViOliNo 2 years ago
oh that makes perfect sense!
JulieLemenaite 2 years ago
the strings aren't meant to be heard because its a concerto for brass,wind, and that one violin
Gregq96 2 years ago
oh ok
JulieLemenaite 2 years ago
I love these performances of the Brandonberg concertos!
msayersiii 2 years ago
In a word -- OUTSTANDING; all three movements. TO THE BAROQUE OBOIST: great job. Played it a few times and it is a difficult piece. With those long phrases it is difficult to find a place to breathe. What make is your instrument? Denner? I have a Stanesby. You have a much darker and rounder tone; and most importantly, CENTERED!
OfficerRobertHall 2 years ago
0:49 it sounds majestic
Gregq96 2 years ago
Well, I love to think of this music, that make me stronger when thinking to any other music just make me sad, angry or sleepy... but when I listen to its different...
Maybe its the interpretation... I love he 5th brandenburg with Gould, he didn't perform the others?
Virussse 2 years ago
A nice treat.
Well done.
gerrybriars 2 years ago
wow that trumpeter is mad pro.
WoodDuck14 2 years ago
Thats not so sweet and nice ...
Thats not so violent and dramatic ...
I dont like this particular piece... like most of the brandenburgs...
I really love Bach but I dont know why the brandenburgs are more recognize than the keyboards concertos .
Virussse 2 years ago
HEEYYYY GUYS PLEASE A BIG APLAUSE FOR THE TRUMPETER, thats a baroque trumpet, very dificult to play high notes and to play in tune!!!!!
jesemus33 2 years ago 3
the lady who plays recorder seems professional.
StarOfElendil 2 years ago
They are all professionals
Gregq96 2 years ago
Very good performance...I'd like to see him perform it a step higher on Bb piccolo trumpet...I'm sure it would sound much better!
betaomega04 2 years ago
I like that they're playing the instruments it was written for. Bb pic wasn't around when Bach lived.
altomajor 2 years ago 3
I agree. Playing it on an F natural trumpet and tuned to A415 is about as authentic as you can get nowadays.
chopperdave19 2 years ago 7
i prefer masaaki suzuki's interpretation and that is reasonably fast as well.
great trumpet playing !!! not at all easy on a natural trumpet.
WETTEKE 2 years ago
a new european record, may be world record.
without doping !
pls pls not so fast !!!!
222mozart 2 years ago
i hope all of you notice that only the trumpet player isn't concerned with looking cool and dramatic for the camera. if he was, he would probably collapse from exhaustion somewhere in the middle of this movement. it's a bit harder than the flutophone or putting your fingers on a string or pushing harpsichord buttons.
Generic1987 2 years ago
it's not about looking cool for the camera.. when you play a string insturment, your body moves... for us to constrain ourselves to no movement would hinder the music. it's like when a baseball player swings a bat... or throws a ball... the extra movement at the end is not "for show"... it's the natural tendency of the body. just because one brass player does not move does not mean that all other brass players are the same. i've performed with many natural horn players that move when playing
eddo98 2 years ago
please clarify me. Isn't the pace of this execution too fast? was it originally writen to be played this fast or is it some particular interpretation of this group? They seem to be in a hurry!!
marcoheleno71 2 years ago
NO it wasn't supposed to be this fast and yes it is a poor interpretation of the music. The music doesn't go anywhere instead it just sounds like a bunch of notes back and forth but they aren't making music with it. Yes it is supposed to be very brilliant and happy.
JirSevd 2 years ago
Bach himself did not indicate any tempo markings on the Brandenburg Concertos, therefore the entire subject is up to the interpretation of the performers. Most performances i've seen play the first movement of this piece more deliberately to introduce the feel of the piece and play this movement at near this tempo. This is acceptable if the performers can maintain the even tempo, a few performers could not in this performance sending the counterpoint into disarray. as Jir already pointed out.
Wozniak13 2 years ago
too bad the bitresolution of this audio sucks
Plato12345 2 years ago
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Thiey played it too fast and with too much tension. They didn't enjoy what they were doing it seems, which was to render this piece into a celebratory music making. They absolutely butchered this beautiful piece !!!.
freeqwerqwer 2 years ago
thank you at least someone has brains enough to know that this piece is rushed and not pleasant to listen to. It's impressive the way they play it but not pleasant.
JirSevd 2 years ago
Lol they don't look like they're enjoying playing this piece at all it's nothing but a race. that's it cuz it doesn't go anywhere (the music i mean) it's just a bunch of notes. I'm sure that Bach meant for the music to go somewhere.
JirSevd 2 years ago
what rubbish yourdefender ''Well anyway... Baroque is right aslong as the notes are syncopated and it sounds trilly and tunefull. So whats the problem with tiempo?'' i think you will find that there is a lot more to it than that, and im sure anyone who has studied Bach harmony will agree with me.
rudispider 3 years ago
Excellent!
Plato12345 3 years ago 3
I love how this is played on period instruments and in period tuning :O
Jagtarro 3 years ago 3
Musicians should understand sarcasm a bit. If you don't then I don't know what planet you are from APE.
JirSevd 3 years ago
Yes the Frieburg Baroque Orchestra, whose members have years of experience in Baroque music, have degrees in music, and years of international playing experience misinterpret the meaning of allegro. don't call me ignorant, and don't resort to insulting people to protect yourself. Especially, as the cellist says, based on their country.
mattparsons2 3 years ago
Thanks for showing how much of a brown nose you are.Having a degree isn't enough. People earn degrees and are still stupid.I never said these guys were bad technical players but I am criticizing the passion and the way they play that doesn't sound brilliant at all. these concertos are supposed to sound happy and brilliant. I wonder why the best recordings in the world match my taste hmm? Exact tempo exact style. Makes you wonder a bit doesn't it? Im sure these guys are great at technique.
JirSevd 3 years ago
Might I add that the 2006 Grammophone award for best baroque recording went to Concerto Italiano's recording of the Brandenburgs which plays this movement a tad bit faster than what the Frieburg orchestra is playing here.
Don't give us your "impeccable" taste as a defence for your opinion. That's as arrogant a thing to do as I can imagine.
HARMONICO101 3 years ago
Might I add that bullshit award means nothing. I have another recording of another "Italian Ensemble" playing this 2/3 this speed and to me and to a lot of professional musicians that I talk to agree that it is perfect recording. This doesn't sound musical at all. Playing notes is one thing but sounding musical is another. Im surprised that your cocksucking harmonica teacher didnt teach you that.
JirSevd 3 years ago
That's no way to talk to someone who simply disagrees with you. You're a disgrace to classical musicians everywhere.
There are a hell of alot of musicians in and out of the historically informed performance field who would completely disagree with you.
I think this is plenty musical, but you can't seem to see that because your too busy whining about the tempo. Your view has nothing to do with musicality and everything to with your strict perceptions of what constitutes "allegro assai".
HARMONICO101 3 years ago
I'll give you another example of fast recordings of baroque music that suck. Have you ever heard the fast recordings of Spring from THE FOUR SEASONS? whenever I hear super fast recordings of it, it just annoys me how people destroy these great pieces of music. I'm not whining thank you I am pointing out the poor musical quality based on the tempo. This speed makes it sound like a bunch of notes. Although this one isn't as bad as some of their other recordings. Listen to concerto 4 movement 2.
JirSevd 3 years ago
There is no poor musical quality in this.
It seems to me that you have no good reasons to suggest why this is poor. You just keep saying "it sounds like just a bunch of notes". That's hardly descriptive, and ultimately has little relevance to the tempo. This can be played alot slower and still just sound like a "bunch of notes".
HARMONICO101 3 years ago
It also seems to me that the vast majority of people who viewed this video seemed to think otherwise. So don't keep going on and on about how the professionals on your side. In fact, from my experiance, I can't think of a single professional I have met that would agree with you. And I can actually give you reasons why if you would allow me to elaborate without calling my "harmonica teacher" a "cocksucker".
By the way, my name has nothing to do with freakin harmonicas.
HARMONICO101 3 years ago
Well if you were any kind of musician you'd know that there is a big difference between making music and just playing notes. The tempo is so fast that they can't make it sound creative and musical.
JirSevd 3 years ago
The tempo has nothing to do with the musicality in this performance. I've heard performances twice as fast and twice as slow with far more or far less musicality.
Tell me, what constitutes musicality to you?
HARMONICO101 3 years ago
Let me just say that you have a poor way of trying to bash on people who disagree with your so-called "impeccable" music interpretations so My opinion says along with many others that this piece of music played a bit slower would be much more musical instead of just plucking a bunch of notes.
JirSevd 3 years ago
Just writing that over and over again isn't going to change anything. Plus you can't quote me on something I didn't write.
HARMONICO101 3 years ago
Maybe you should think before you speak because your quote "impeccable" is in there.
JirSevd 3 years ago
I did say impeccable, but not in reference to my own taste. Therefore it is an improper quote.
HARMONICO101 3 years ago
Oh, well I guess since you say that award means nothing, than it does.... how unbelievably arrogant you are.
HARMONICO101 3 years ago
There are so many politics involved with awards now it's unbelievable. It's all politics so don't get to proud of it.
JirSevd 3 years ago
You only say that because these awards go to people you don't like.
HARMONICO101 3 years ago
And from politics point of view these awards go to people that they like because of politics not because of who is the better performer. You should wake up to the 21st century dude ur way behind.
JirSevd 3 years ago
Well I was hoping you could tell me something intelligent why that is not the case, but it doesn't seem to be working. Oh well.
HARMONICO101 3 years ago
I Have told you my opinion my friend and I am going to stick to it. Many people have this mentality of FASTER=BETTER which is totally wrong in my opinion. How can you be creative and brilliant if you are going fast all the time. LIke I said some of these aren't that bad but for example listen to the way they play the 4th concerto second movement. IF you tell me that it sounds musical and emotional I will lose all respect for you.
JirSevd 3 years ago
Again, what constitutes musicality to you?
HARMONICO101 3 years ago
Let me tell you again and again mr doesn't understand. Understanding something and just rushing through it because you don't understand it are very relative right? I am saying that people should try to understand what Bach was writing and what mood he was in when he wrote each of these instead of just rushing fast to make it "sound impressive" Their performance is impressive but I wouldn't call it musical.
JirSevd 3 years ago
"mr doesn't understand"... really mature and clever there.
So, to you, musicality constitutes understanding what Bach intended when he wrote this? So this is not musical because it is fast, which you think is not what Bach wanted?
Let me ask you another question: Bach wrote "allgero assai", which, losely translated, means "very happy". Is this played "very happy"?
HARMONICO101 3 years ago 4
Have you ever tried to compose any baroque? its a nightmare :P lol. Well anyway... Baroque is right aslong as the notes are syncopated and it sounds trilly and tunefull. So whats the problem with tiempo?
YourDefender 3 years ago
yeah!
it does, I believe you're right, this is a very good tempo in my opinion!
Jagtarro 3 years ago
Exactly!
HARMONICO101 3 years ago 2
This is a very inspiring tempo, the music reaaly shines! That's why they call it ASSAI
Play it VERY allegro
Plato12345 3 years ago 4
Dat's a vewy 'assai' answer!
3NUNS 3 years ago
this doesn't sound very happy. Sounds like a man rushing off to work in his car.
JirSevd 2 years ago
That's what allegro assai means in Italian: running off to work (assai) on your horse (allegro).
perkiomenville 2 years ago
Hey dumbo allegro doesn't mean running. It means Happy. And Assai means (very). Allegro Assai=Very happy. Once again this doesn't sound happy, sounds like a stressed man going to work late. Don't get me wrong these guys are good players but I have a strong disagreement with the way they interpret Bachs music.
JirSevd 2 years ago
Thanks for language lesson, professor. If can't figure out that my comment was tongue-in-cheek then the joke is on you.
perkiomenville 2 years ago
ok well it's hard to make out sarcasm online cuz i'm very sarcastic but can never tell online if someone is either stupid or sarcastic.
JirSevd 2 years ago
Hilarious!!!! But this movement does seem a little more serious than the first, but just as spritely.
Basspower04 2 years ago
What a brown nose.
JirSevd 2 years ago
What are you talking about?!?!? They're playing at a tempo of 114/m They're playing slower than Bach's tempo markings, the whole thing is notated in 8th and 16th notes
Wozniak13 2 years ago
Wow were u actually there when Bach made those so called markings? man you must be old as hell. There are different markings for different versions so stop kissing ass. One of the greatest chamber orchestras from Italy play this pretty much perfect. They are called emusichi.
JirSevd 2 years ago
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TurbojugendJoe 2 years ago
I don't know exactly how I am "kissing ass" by what i said. However the title of the movement, which is on the top of the screen states "Allegro Assai." Which, if you were actually a musician, you would know means Very (Assai) Fast (Allegro). This traditionally means that the piece is played at a range of 125 to 130 beats per minute.
Wozniak13 2 years ago
however, i'm willing to concede the fault to a confusion in score notation. Historically I've seen this piece notated in both 4/4 and 2/2 which would change the ideal quarter note beat to as low as 70 or 80
Wozniak13 2 years ago
Well someone obviously doesn't know italian. Allegro doesn't mean fast. Allegro Assai means Very Happy.
JirSevd 2 years ago
despite what you may think, allegro does mean fast, in music notation, not in italian. In italian it means Bright and Cheerful. I can see, however on listening it again myself, why it sounds rushed. The tempo that they chose, albeit actually a little slow for the type of music that they were playing, was too fast for a few of the performers. The recorder and the bass were both playing catch up for most of the movement.
Wozniak13 2 years ago
you are right the recorder, the bass and the flutistes werw in the pursuit of the rythm. This makes the whole sound as a race towards nowhere. Bach is wonderfull even so.
marcoheleno71 2 years ago 2
It's not what I think moron it's what the dictionary says. And I'm sure that if Bach wanted it to be fast he would've put presto on it. So by playing it fast you are totally ruining what he wrote. It sounds rushed because it doesn't sound happy like I said it rather sounds like a man rushing off to work when he is late.
JirSevd 2 years ago
In italian=happy
in musical notation = cheerfully fast, not the rushed feeling of presto.
I mean, to a musician you would never describe a song such as "My Girl" for example as Allegro even though it is a Happy song, with a Happy feeling to the rhythm, that does not make it allegro.
Wozniak13 2 years ago
So who made allegro fast? Your opinion of what allegro means is irrelevant because it means happy and cheerful. NOT FAST!!!
JirSevd 2 years ago
Well, allegro tempi ought fall around 120 to 168 bpm, and 'allegro assai' means 'very' allegro; thus the piece ought to be played closer to 168 bpm than 120. Furthermore, 'allegro' is a tempo direction, not one indicating mood like 'maestoso' (though particular tempi might suit the mood better than others). Wozniak13 was not the one "who made allegro fast"- that's just how music works. If you look up the meaning of the word (or simply glance at a metronome), you will find this to be so.
payrollz1234 2 years ago
I'm curious how we know how many beats per minute they played in Baroque times, since the metronome wasn't invented until Beethoven's time.
bachkirche 2 years ago
I will agree, though, that the piece would be better suited to be played a bit slower.
payrollz1234 2 years ago
As you may have noticed by now, I'm agreeing with you that this is not a good performance of this piece
Wozniak13 2 years ago