Neuroscience (Christof Koch) and Phenomenology (Husserl) (part 1-2)

[Ermal8711]

This whole video could have used some significant preparation. Too many "uhmms" and other fillers as well as a lot of insecurity that results in a low voice...

[spacecricket]

he said "cock"!

[Ev3rFl0w]

you heard cock. :)

[joyfulvulture]

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why dont you nerds get a life and a job.

[otonanoC]

In psychology the natural, naïve attitude has the result that the human self-objectifications of transcendental intersubjectivity, which belong with essential necessity to the makeup of the constituted world pre-given to me and to us, inevitably have a horizon of transcendentally functioning intentionalities which are not accessible to reflection, not even psychological-scientific reflection.

[otonanoC]

( see Chapter 59 )  ;)

[0ThouArtThat0]

the last paragraph of that chapter concerning "significant transformation"... that's where the meat is. Husserl describes what it feels like for the ego (and the body/world it has thus far identified with) to become conscious of itself.

[Rybot9000]

I don't think all scientists are as you describe. Certainly Koch turns away from philosophy as he wrote in the intro to The Quest for Consciousness.

I think at some point a door opens that you can take or not and it really depends on whether your goal is to find purpose in your life, or to discover the Truth independant of application.

[0ThouArtThat0]

Perhaps Truth cannot be known in abstraction from life. Any Truth worthy of the name would be meaningfully related to life, wouldn't it?

[Rybot9000]

Well, hehe, if you are talking about "worth" and "meaning" then you've already ascended up the ladder of personal application.

I'm talking about Truth that has no inherent worth, no inherent application, but simply is.

I don't think that there is such a dichotomy as Life vs Non-Life. Nothing is alive and nothing is nonliving. Its just a matter of human perspective.

[0ThouArtThat0]

Truth always seems linked to a desire to discover, to an active pursuit of understanding, to a search for meaning, etc. Truth can't simply be. Truth must be sought after and revealed. There is no truth independent of our human urge to understand and know, so far as I can tell.

[mariospassov]

I agree with Husserl on the need for philosophy as discipline searching for the big picture. For this way of doing philosophy Descartes, Husserl, Gebser or Wilber certainly are great examples.

And ain't this exactly the thing you are trying to do?

I for my part am. But the more I try to follow the example of these guys, the more I feel how underprepared I am, how impossible it is to do Kosmology in the present world of such immense paradigmatic differentiation and plurality.

keep it up!

[cloudmonkeys]

I remember taking salvia once. Savia is a dicociative drug. It makes you feel that your no longer in your body. After I smoked it I kept thinking 'I'M JUST A PACK OF CHEMICALS. I'M JUST A PACK OF CHEMICALS.' Which is pretty much what Crick said. It was an very unpleasant expirience. That was a slightly random comment.

[Rybot9000]

Crick said "You are just a pack of neurons".

If that is an unpleasant thought... have you ever considered that you have unrealistic expectations?

What we consider to be pleasant is often relative to our experience. It might be indicative of our culture that so many people are grasping for nomologically inconsistent and self-contradictory themes which elevate themselves to the ranks of Gods.

Why can't being a pack of neurons be an amazing thing? beats being a rock I bet...

[AlaskanSky]

Re:  "Why can't being a pack of neurons be an amazing thing? beats being a rock I bet..."

Rybot, your last comment was brilliant! (thundering applause from my neurons) Although I think a rock is amazing in it's own way.

[Rybot9000]

Yea, in some respects it might be better to be a rock and not have to deal with all this self-awareness. In particular because our concept of self is often distorted. A rock doesn't have this problem.

[AlaskanSky]

*sigh*

It must be nice not having a central nervous system.

[alliant]

@AlaskanSky

well my friend, 60 or 70 years depending on your age.

and we might just get to see what that's like

[Rybot9000]

Here is something I found in the Gospel of Thomas, I found it interesting:

Jesus said, "If the flesh came into being because of spirit, that is a marvel, but if spirit came into being because of the body, that is a marvel of marvels.