Tonight at 9:00PM EST- A brand new UFO Documentary called: "I Know What I Saw" Part 2 of "Out of the Blue" by James Fox, will air here in the USA on the *History Channel*. I think we owe it to ourselves to act as good students and stay educated and be up to date with what's been happening recently in UFO news since this topic is not only just a part of the above video but also a topic that's taken very seriously by our own government as well as a major ongoing world phenomena.
The Aztecs thought Hernando Cortez and his Spanish Conquistadors were Gods, at first. It has been said that if we were to be visited by beings from a civilization which was sufficiently advanced, we might not be able to distinquish them from Gods. We might think they were.
I don't agree with you. Perhaps in the past, in 'pre technological times' we might think them Gods. However, if modern humans, educated in the 'modern world', were to meet Extraterrestrials, I believe the more scientifically educated among us, wouldn't see the as Gods, just very advanced....
Had 4 pertinent articles out there for you to READ. But we figured it might be too much for yout. Wouldn't want you to choke on our supporting data or anything. Heh! Heh! At this juncture, you're just flying off the handle, because you haven't done your homework. So, fella, READ the two articles we've referenced. Then make your point of your counterpoint. Otherwise you'd get an "F" in any real debate class.
... The only way you can detect intelligent life is through its technological signatures. And the only way you can do that, is to use our own society as a reference. In my opinion, if intelligent beings are out there, they maybe using technology that is based on sciences that we have yet to understand. SETI could be a futile effort. However, its an honest one. Oh, please, learn how to debate the issue at hand. Be more cogent when you debate me, or piss off.
There are no other ways, huh? You don't say? You have a few "fuzzy notions" about the subject, but you need to READ a lot more -- in depth -- before you spout off, youngster. Why not try the two articles I posted, to start with? In a professional debate on the subject you'd be laughed out of the room, at this point.
So, again, exobiology is a science that is in its infancy. There isn't enough data to state for sure that life has started on any other planet. Also, we have no way of knowing the path that life could take. It could be based on silicon and not carbon on some planets. We have no way of knowing. Since our biology is constrained to this planet. Also, I'm friends with many Cosmologists, have studied cosmology and have written papers on this subject. All you have prattle. See ya, Kermit.
I've just read the comments between you and OldBen. I was on a debate team at Penn State in the 1970s. Sounds to me like you need to read the articles. I mean if you want to debate issues intelligently. Don't mean to offend, but that is how it works. Besides where is your supporting material for your remarks?
Its impossible to debate on here. And all that I was saying was that SETI is looking for 'intelligent life'. Perhaps I didn't understand Oldbens points, since I didn't read all of his posts. Anyhow, What I gathered from Oldbens statements was that he was trying to tell me that there are 'other ways' to look for life in the universe. I agree with that. I stated that spectroscopy can be used to look for the basis signs of life (atoms/molecules). ...
... Again, SETI is looking for the 'technological signatures' of a 'technologically inclined alien species'. The articles that Oldben (I'll check them later) sound like they are ways of detecting the 'basic signs' of life. That's not SETI's goal. In short this is why I think SETI is a Noble and scientifically valid quest...
... SETI is a worth while goal because if life can exist outside of Earth. And there is much evidence that the basic building blocks of life exist in space. There is a chance that some of that life may have evolved a brain, capable of the kinds of thinking required to create technology. And that's the quest of SETI. They aren't look for the 'basic signs' of life. They're looking for the 'total package': 'intelligence'.
Since you took down you comments regarding 'water miasmas', I did a bit of digging. Here is why I think you're wrong. You seem to be stating that you could look for intelligence by looking at the spectroscopic signatures of pollution. Well, one big problem, is that it would be hard to tell if the data you received was caused by technological created pollution or some nature precess that we don't understand (its a different planet). By looking for 'signals' you take out the 'if' factor.
What is your point? My original post had to do with the probability of life, and the fact that intelligence spawns from evolution. What the fuck does water molecules in deep space and spectroscopy have to do with anything? We know that the basic building blocks of life are found in space. Thus life is highly probable. Also, my original comment had to do with our ability to detect 'intelligent life'. SETI isn't looking for bacteria, since bacteria can't build technology....
Reread you own comments -- you asked me for support for my claims and I offered a couple of sources. So, turn off the TV, youngster, and READ the articles I offer here-- you know, update yourself on the latest findings -- before you mouth off.
If you don't understand what water miasmas in deep space or the visual spectroscopy of them has to do with the subject, science is not for you. Sorry.
As I said, you twit. My original comment was about detecting intelligence in the Cosmos. And now you're going on about things that have nothing to do with what I said. Which is why I think you removed your comments. We know, from spectroscopy, that the building blocks of life are found in the Cosmos. Also, all the extra solar planets we have found, are larger than the Jupiter. They're all gas giants. We have just started the search for Earth like planets...
In the past 10 years ordinary water molecules have been found everywhere in our galaxy. Also, certain complex organic compounds have been found in our galaxy. Some of these compounds are used to build RNA. This suggests that life is probably out there -- somewhere. Finding simple life forms on planets will certainly be more likely, than intelligent life forms. SETI defines intelligent life forms as one that can build a radio telescope.
I don't agree with you. I think you're being too humanly centric. If life can form, and intelligence comes about through Evolutionary processes, then I think its highly probably that life is out there. Whether or not we can detect them, well, thats another story.
You have trouble understanding what you read, don't you? You need to spend time actually reading about the subject of extrasolar planets and the possibly of life on them.
I'm quite well read on the subject. Can't say the same for you. Also, where do you get your data from? The only extrasolar planets we have detected were detected by the way planets effect their parent stars. We have only just begun to be able to look for Earth size extra solar planets (the satelite Kepler for example). You cant base your arguments on the data we have, since its extremely small and non representive of what 'may' be out there. Mouth piece....
John Carr of the Naval Research Laboratory in Washington, and Joan Najita of the National Optical Astronomy Observatory, Tucson, Ariz., developed a new technique using Spitzer's infrared spectrograph to measure and analyze the chemical composition of the gases within protoplanetary disks. Carr and Najita's research results appeared in the March 14, 2008 issue of Science.
Oh yeah fella, here's another recent paper written about water in deep space.
Dr. Violette Impellizzeri and John McKean worked with Alan Roy, Christian Henkel, and Andreas Brunthaler, also of the Max-Planck Institute; Paola Castangia of the Max-Planck Institute and the INAF Astronomical Observatory of Cagliari in Italy; and Olaf Wucknitz of the Argelander Institute for Astronomy in Bonn, Germany. The scientists reported their findings in the Dec 18, 2008 issue of the journal, Nature.
Finding life forms on other planets capable of building radio telescopes, TVs, etc. will be extremely rare, even creatures capable of smelting metals to make tools will be rare. But there may be a few such planets.
Paleoanthropologists aren't really sure why man appeared, since we're an "odd branch" off the main line of primate development. It's possible man came about as a result of a single extraordinary event sometime in the remote past, making us absolutely unique to this planet...
I believe we'll find many planets with a beautiful variety of plants and animals -- unique to that planet, like a grand planet wide zoo. Earthlings walking around on those planets could be very dangerous for us and the natives. Pathogens and microbes we know nothing about could kill us within hours or days of arrival and our visits may, in turn, contaminate the planets we visit with earthly bugs. The rule thumb should be, "look, but don't touch".
Dr Shostak is an authority on the *search* for extra terrestrial *intelligence*. Nobody is really an authority on extra terrestrial *life* since none has even been found. Does he really propose investigating alien visitation? He is interested in alien *contact*, a completely different thing. As for funding, why do you care if private individuals are writing the checks?
How did a radio astronomer with little education in biology ever become considered an authority on extraterrestrial life? If Seth's claim that a lack of evidence exists to justify investigating alien visitation, then how was founding SETI justified? What suggests ETs might use radio with no encryption in the narrow range of frequencies listened to? Is the Wow! signal all that they have, and how long should funding continue with nothing to show for it?
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AlienshateU 1 month ago
seth tries to be funny and entertaining but he will never have the charisma of michio kaku, neil degrasse tyson or carl segan.
Zurround100 7 months ago
This guy is a douchebag..he will denied everything to the grave..one look at his face and is spells LIES all cross his forehead
wisesatyr72 1 year ago
@wisesatyr72 That's not even english!! Go back to school!
yousnoerd 1 year ago
Tonight at 9:00PM EST- A brand new UFO Documentary called: "I Know What I Saw" Part 2 of "Out of the Blue" by James Fox, will air here in the USA on the *History Channel*. I think we owe it to ourselves to act as good students and stay educated and be up to date with what's been happening recently in UFO news since this topic is not only just a part of the above video but also a topic that's taken very seriously by our own government as well as a major ongoing world phenomena.
lllwindrunner 2 years ago
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dbuezas 3 years ago
The Aztecs thought Hernando Cortez and his Spanish Conquistadors were Gods, at first. It has been said that if we were to be visited by beings from a civilization which was sufficiently advanced, we might not be able to distinquish them from Gods. We might think they were.
BigRedMcCool 3 years ago
I don't agree with you. Perhaps in the past, in 'pre technological times' we might think them Gods. However, if modern humans, educated in the 'modern world', were to meet Extraterrestrials, I believe the more scientifically educated among us, wouldn't see the as Gods, just very advanced....
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Bigfuckingjointsmate 3 years ago
Had 4 pertinent articles out there for you to READ. But we figured it might be too much for yout. Wouldn't want you to choke on our supporting data or anything. Heh! Heh! At this juncture, you're just flying off the handle, because you haven't done your homework. So, fella, READ the two articles we've referenced. Then make your point of your counterpoint. Otherwise you'd get an "F" in any real debate class.
OldBenFranklin 3 years ago
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OldBenFranklin 3 years ago
... The only way you can detect intelligent life is through its technological signatures. And the only way you can do that, is to use our own society as a reference. In my opinion, if intelligent beings are out there, they maybe using technology that is based on sciences that we have yet to understand. SETI could be a futile effort. However, its an honest one. Oh, please, learn how to debate the issue at hand. Be more cogent when you debate me, or piss off.
Bigfuckingjointsmate 3 years ago
There are no other ways, huh? You don't say? You have a few "fuzzy notions" about the subject, but you need to READ a lot more -- in depth -- before you spout off, youngster. Why not try the two articles I posted, to start with? In a professional debate on the subject you'd be laughed out of the room, at this point.
OldBenFranklin 3 years ago
So, again, exobiology is a science that is in its infancy. There isn't enough data to state for sure that life has started on any other planet. Also, we have no way of knowing the path that life could take. It could be based on silicon and not carbon on some planets. We have no way of knowing. Since our biology is constrained to this planet. Also, I'm friends with many Cosmologists, have studied cosmology and have written papers on this subject. All you have prattle. See ya, Kermit.
Bigfuckingjointsmate 3 years ago
Why is it that a simple-minded fella doesn't know he's simple minded?
Did you bother to look up the articles and even attempt to read them? Nope, you didn't. Wouldn't understand, would ya?
Too busy watchin' the telly and smokin' doobies, huh?
So it's like we said earlier...
You have trouble understanding what you read, don't you?
OldBenFranklin 3 years ago
I've just read the comments between you and OldBen. I was on a debate team at Penn State in the 1970s. Sounds to me like you need to read the articles. I mean if you want to debate issues intelligently. Don't mean to offend, but that is how it works. Besides where is your supporting material for your remarks?
SmerkNomGool 3 years ago
Thank you Smerky! I rest my case 'til he reads the reports.
OldBenFranklin 3 years ago
Its impossible to debate on here. And all that I was saying was that SETI is looking for 'intelligent life'. Perhaps I didn't understand Oldbens points, since I didn't read all of his posts. Anyhow, What I gathered from Oldbens statements was that he was trying to tell me that there are 'other ways' to look for life in the universe. I agree with that. I stated that spectroscopy can be used to look for the basis signs of life (atoms/molecules). ...
Bigfuckingjointsmate 3 years ago
... Again, SETI is looking for the 'technological signatures' of a 'technologically inclined alien species'. The articles that Oldben (I'll check them later) sound like they are ways of detecting the 'basic signs' of life. That's not SETI's goal. In short this is why I think SETI is a Noble and scientifically valid quest...
Bigfuckingjointsmate 3 years ago
... SETI is a worth while goal because if life can exist outside of Earth. And there is much evidence that the basic building blocks of life exist in space. There is a chance that some of that life may have evolved a brain, capable of the kinds of thinking required to create technology. And that's the quest of SETI. They aren't look for the 'basic signs' of life. They're looking for the 'total package': 'intelligence'.
Bigfuckingjointsmate 3 years ago
Since you took down you comments regarding 'water miasmas', I did a bit of digging. Here is why I think you're wrong. You seem to be stating that you could look for intelligence by looking at the spectroscopic signatures of pollution. Well, one big problem, is that it would be hard to tell if the data you received was caused by technological created pollution or some nature precess that we don't understand (its a different planet). By looking for 'signals' you take out the 'if' factor.
Bigfuckingjointsmate 3 years ago
plus our "pollution" could be the force that gives extraterrestrial civ.s life like oxygen in humans and other terrestrial life
Devinodell 2 years ago
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OldBenFranklin 3 years ago
What is your point? My original post had to do with the probability of life, and the fact that intelligence spawns from evolution. What the fuck does water molecules in deep space and spectroscopy have to do with anything? We know that the basic building blocks of life are found in space. Thus life is highly probable. Also, my original comment had to do with our ability to detect 'intelligent life'. SETI isn't looking for bacteria, since bacteria can't build technology....
Bigfuckingjointsmate 3 years ago
Reread you own comments -- you asked me for support for my claims and I offered a couple of sources. So, turn off the TV, youngster, and READ the articles I offer here-- you know, update yourself on the latest findings -- before you mouth off.
OldBenFranklin 3 years ago
If you don't understand what water miasmas in deep space or the visual spectroscopy of them has to do with the subject, science is not for you. Sorry.
OldBenFranklin 3 years ago
As I said, you twit. My original comment was about detecting intelligence in the Cosmos. And now you're going on about things that have nothing to do with what I said. Which is why I think you removed your comments. We know, from spectroscopy, that the building blocks of life are found in the Cosmos. Also, all the extra solar planets we have found, are larger than the Jupiter. They're all gas giants. We have just started the search for Earth like planets...
Bigfuckingjointsmate 3 years ago
In the past 10 years ordinary water molecules have been found everywhere in our galaxy. Also, certain complex organic compounds have been found in our galaxy. Some of these compounds are used to build RNA. This suggests that life is probably out there -- somewhere. Finding simple life forms on planets will certainly be more likely, than intelligent life forms. SETI defines intelligent life forms as one that can build a radio telescope.
OldBenFranklin 3 years ago
I don't agree with you. I think you're being too humanly centric. If life can form, and intelligence comes about through Evolutionary processes, then I think its highly probably that life is out there. Whether or not we can detect them, well, thats another story.
Bigfuckingjointsmate 3 years ago
You have trouble understanding what you read, don't you? You need to spend time actually reading about the subject of extrasolar planets and the possibly of life on them.
...and less time in front of the television.
OldBenFranklin 3 years ago
I'm quite well read on the subject. Can't say the same for you. Also, where do you get your data from? The only extrasolar planets we have detected were detected by the way planets effect their parent stars. We have only just begun to be able to look for Earth size extra solar planets (the satelite Kepler for example). You cant base your arguments on the data we have, since its extremely small and non representive of what 'may' be out there. Mouth piece....
Bigfuckingjointsmate 3 years ago
No sir, you're not well read on the subject.
Here is a highly relevant paper on this subject.
John Carr of the Naval Research Laboratory in Washington, and Joan Najita of the National Optical Astronomy Observatory, Tucson, Ariz., developed a new technique using Spitzer's infrared spectrograph to measure and analyze the chemical composition of the gases within protoplanetary disks. Carr and Najita's research results appeared in the March 14, 2008 issue of Science.
Would you like more?
OldBenFranklin 3 years ago
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Oh yeah fella, here's another recent paper written about water in deep space.
Dr. Violette Impellizzeri and John McKean worked with Alan Roy, Christian Henkel, and Andreas Brunthaler, also of the Max-Planck Institute; Paola Castangia of the Max-Planck Institute and the INAF Astronomical Observatory of Cagliari in Italy; and Olaf Wucknitz of the Argelander Institute for Astronomy in Bonn, Germany. The scientists reported their findings in the Dec 18, 2008 issue of the journal, Nature.
OldBenFranklin 3 years ago
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OldBenFranklin 3 years ago
Think you have enough to start with, pal? Now the question is, once again, can you really understand what you read?
OldBenFranklin 3 years ago
Finding life forms on other planets capable of building radio telescopes, TVs, etc. will be extremely rare, even creatures capable of smelting metals to make tools will be rare. But there may be a few such planets.
Paleoanthropologists aren't really sure why man appeared, since we're an "odd branch" off the main line of primate development. It's possible man came about as a result of a single extraordinary event sometime in the remote past, making us absolutely unique to this planet...
OldBenFranklin 3 years ago
I believe we'll find many planets with a beautiful variety of plants and animals -- unique to that planet, like a grand planet wide zoo. Earthlings walking around on those planets could be very dangerous for us and the natives. Pathogens and microbes we know nothing about could kill us within hours or days of arrival and our visits may, in turn, contaminate the planets we visit with earthly bugs. The rule thumb should be, "look, but don't touch".
OldBenFranklin 3 years ago
Shostakovich?
daverbecks 3 years ago
Dr Shostak is an authority on the *search* for extra terrestrial *intelligence*. Nobody is really an authority on extra terrestrial *life* since none has even been found. Does he really propose investigating alien visitation? He is interested in alien *contact*, a completely different thing. As for funding, why do you care if private individuals are writing the checks?
legogenius 3 years ago
How did a radio astronomer with little education in biology ever become considered an authority on extraterrestrial life? If Seth's claim that a lack of evidence exists to justify investigating alien visitation, then how was founding SETI justified? What suggests ETs might use radio with no encryption in the narrow range of frequencies listened to? Is the Wow! signal all that they have, and how long should funding continue with nothing to show for it?
davidchenard 3 years ago