Sea ice extent is measured when sea ice reaches it's lowest level every year. Sea ice mass loss is what we are most interested about. Look up the GRACE satellite system and their discoveries regarding mass loss.
the climate changes, but , its the enemy we created according to our trusty politicians, we are to blame, when are they ever going to blame themselves ???????? never
@Dmanning11 Your division of "primary/secondary" etc factors is misleading. In climatology (and all science), context is everything. The primary factor in the seasons is solar radiation - the sun. The primary factor in the recent global warming trend is CO2 concentration.
@VictorLepanto Well, no. Mass and volume are not irrelevant, especially to long-term trends. You are oversimplifying the situation a little. Ice volume relates to how much is *retained* over many years. "Piling" looks v different.
Well it appears from the limited data that its showing hotter summers and colder winters. At least we now know that the temperature correlation is much more closely linked to the solar cycle than to green house gas accumulation.
I think there was an Australian comedian who commented on global warming in a stupid analogy "When it gets hot in a room you don't look at the guy who farted, you look at the guy who threw petrol in the fireplace"
@Dmanning11 You may only have just discovered that the sun influences climate, but climatologists have actually always known this, and taken it into consideration. The temperature correlation that they are concerned about is linked to greenhouse gas accumulation, not the "solar cycle".
@dalellll I think you will find that the sun is almost singularly responsible for 99.99999% of earths climate, the gas content of the atmosphere in the end is only a secondary, or tertiary factor.
The media in the coming years will start saying that global warming via greenhouse gas emissions are still present, but are being negated by the sun going into a solar period similar to the Dalton minimum, a slight reprieve if you will. In short the global warming fan-boys will never give up.
@Dmanning11 Excuse me? I wrote, completely un-ambiguously, in straightforward English, that the sun's influence was well known. What is also well known is the recent global warming trend, the fact that this warming has been linked conclusively with greenhouse gases (confirmed by multiple independent lines of evidence), and the multiple independent signs of climatic shift in recent years - only one of which is the net decline in Arctic ice volume. (This video shows you "Area" instead. Odd, eh?)
@Dmanning11 You couldnt be more incorrect about the atmosphere having little or no effect on the climate.Think the "greenhouse effect" is just "Made up"?? Well,I've got 2 words for ya--THE MOON. The moon is basically the same distance away from the Sun as the earth is--BUt,the moon has no atmosphere---and guess what?The moons temperatures flucuate WILDLY.It goes from around 230 fahrenheit when its facing the sun to -250 below when its not. And the reason is that there's NO AIR. Got it? LOL
@mrbrianmccarthy no the green house effect is real, its what keeps the atmosphere from loosing all its thermal energy when its facing away from the sun. The primary factor in the earths climate is the sun (no sun then there is not enough thermal energy to maintain our atmosphere as a gas and the whole lot freezes on the earths surface). The secondary factor would likely be the dense nitrogen, oxygen rich atmosphere, combined with the high moisture content of the lower atmosphere.
I know where all that snow and ice went, in my back yard. All three feet of it came from antartica along with the cold air. you can't prove global warming by me or my neighbors in new england.
@kcargh As far as environmental problems go for this planet, carbon dioxide emissions is at the bottom of the list. Even if global warming is as apocalyptic as all the ecofanatics claim (highly unlikely) it has a built in fail-safe: limited oil reserves. We've probably consumed half of all fossil fuels in the last century and what remains will go even faster, so within the next 100 years the climate will re-stabilize from our marginal emissions. News flash: Solar activity controls the climate!
The claim that the ice is thinner than before is all hoax.
Just like the whole global warming scam.
It's all about money, and oil, and limiting 3rd world development.
It's a desperate attempt by the collapsing western powers to reassert themselves as masters of the world, not through economic strength but by controlling energy use on a global scale.
Thank God China and India didn't fall for it or we would have world dictatorship already.
@kasuha ...in. Droughts and bushfires are huge risks where i live - global warming will exacerbate those. The Earth 70 million years ago didnt have ice caps - but it didnt have human civilisation either. 80% of the human population isnt going to just up-and-move in an orderly fashion. Climate change can have huge effects on both animal and human populations.
@kasuha Earth has been without its ice sheets, and 200m deep shallow seas covered much of the continents. There were sea animals in Kansas in the Cretaceous. Almost every major city on Earth is next to a river or an ocean. 80% of the human population is coastal. Thats not all, if crop zones shift away from established agricultural areas, famines would set
Oh well I always run out of characters just like a bad novel. Until I see greenland and antarctica's ice sheets DISAPPEAR you can all just fuck off and leave me be. None of this bullshit matters don't you see? Life in this vast universe does NOT revolve around our species or the jew bankers. I say let them and the military monkeys have it all. This speck of a planet doesn't mean shit to the universe so kill us off. I don't give a fuck. Now where's my hot cup of coffee? I do like a hot coffee.
After 54 years on this stinking planet I have come to the conclusion that all kings, governments, corporations, scientist LIE habitually. I trust nothing any of them say as I've watched the lies grow larger and the world's leaders and bankers grow more insane. You know what I see with this timelapse? Either a complete fake since I've never been to the arctic circle or I see the ice spreading and receding consistently season after season. Until I see greenland and antarctica's ice sheets fuck off
@angstotheclown Well i'm glad to see your disillusionment hasn't made you a vaguely racist nihilist with no ability to assess or comprehend the world, or the significance of anything in it. That would suck.
@benscoot to clarify: CO2 only needs to be in small amounts to absorb infra-red radiation. You can see demos of this where a guy stands front of an IR camera, and when CO2 pumped between him and the camera, his IR image disappears. Easy to demonstrate. The Earth re-radiates suns heat as IR, so CO2 traps it. CO2 released by forest fires, respiration - and fossil fuels. Since 1850, has PRECEDED temp. change. All facts. Thankyou for constructive questions.
@benscoot Im not ignoring this data: this data = irrelevant; laws of physics "ignore" it. I can show you the data of sea-ice mass. See Quarternary Science Reviews, issue 29 (2010), p.1757, for review of the data. I can show how CO2 drives warming: its bc CO2 absorbs infra-red from the earths surface. CO2 is released by high temp, and high temp is caused by CO2. In last 150yrs, CO2 is released by man.
@dalellll polar ice extent defines polar region albedo and that has great impact on energy exchange, in this area far greater than CO2 concentration. You can't declare it irrelevant just because it does not go well with your belief.
@kasuha It is irrelevant as a symptom of global warming. Of course albedo is broadly relevant, but to claim it has a "far greater" impact than CO2 concentration on a global scale (i note you said "in this area" - now that's irrelevant) is to lose sight of the issue completely. Of course arctic albedo would cool things more than having NO SURFACE ICE AT ALL, but that is not what we are comparing it to: we are comparing it to 1978. We have had surface ice that entire time. Theres no extra albedo.
@dalellll What is a "polar ice mass" good for as indicator of global temperature if you have temperatures themselves? Nobody's saying temperatures aren't raising. All of the discussion is about how much "man made" and how much "catastrophic" it is. And about the effect on the temperature, the area sure has much bigger effect than mass. Polar ice caps cover significant potion of earth surface, their effect is by far not irrelevant.
@kasuha Because theyr not *just* an indicator of temperature rise, they're also an indicator of the effects of temperature rise. Losing sea-ice volume means, ultimately, losing the ice-sheets - which would be catastrophic. As for sea-ice area, i've already covered this, so i'll refer you to my earlier comment: Albedo is a non-sequitor - you're having an argument with nobody.
@dalellll Earth was without its polar ice sheets several times in the history and there's no evidence life has suffered any heavy damage during that. Not only that it obviously won't happen anytime soon, even if it really happens there's nothing to be worried about.
@kasuha ...And all of that, of course, is ignoring the point that Arctic sea ice volume - which has declined markedly since 1978 - is taken as a measure of the *impact* of rising global temperatures. The OP claims "our Arctic Sea ice has not melted away" - that claim is false, and Arctic sea ice *area* - as opposed to *volume* - is irrelevant to that claim. Commenting on albedo - which is related to sea-ice *area* and is seasonal (not increasing) - is a non sequitor.
@GabrielFane Just cause they don't deny it does NOT mean that they believe it does. Science can only disprove a hypothesis, and can NEVER prove something. A scientist who says he has proven something is not a scientist at all. It becomes junk science when you say your predictions are proven. There might be "evidence to suggest" but there is never "evidence that proves". Furthermore, nobody has been able to disprove the possibility that we could be going into a cooler period.
The correlation between CO2 and temperature in the pre-industrial 420,000 years, according to the Vostok ice core is surprisingly linear (some 8 ppmv for 1°C) and includes shorter (~800 years) for glacial-interglacial transitions and longer (up to thousands of years) lags for CO2 vs. temperature for interglacial-glacial transitions.
In simpler terms: There is no evidence to suggest anything. You also cannot disprove that the world is cooling.
Google can be your friend, there are these things called scientific databases(many in association with NASA or the ESA and such) that contain research papers opposing AGW theory for many reasons from thousands of authors.
The UN IPCC is 600 scientists who get to put together a draft and then hand it over to politicians and they are absolutely correct, but thousands of credible scientists with no political agenda are just holocaust deniers. Fuck off.
The correlation between CO2 and temperature in the pre-industrial 420,000 years, according to the Vostok ice core is surprisingly linear (some 8 ppmv for 1°C) and includes shorter (~800 years) for glacial-interglacial transitions and longer (up to thousands of years) lags for CO2 vs. temperature for interglacial-glacial transitions.
As Arctic sea ice shrinks faster than 2007, NSIDC director Serreze says, “I think it’s quite possible” we could “break another record this year.” May 24, 2010
This video is showing sea-ice extent, not sea-ice mass. If you show sea ice mass, you see a distinct decline over the last thirty years. You've ignored the actual claims made by climatologists, and chosen a set of data that misses the point.
@0PsycoDad0 I think so, but they may be genuinely confused. See their description. They posted data that doesn't actually tell you anything (because global warming manifests in sea-ice VOLUME, not area); if you search online you should be able to find the actual sea-ice volume data, which shows a very clear decline in sea-ice total mass. The area-data will only show you the annual cycle, but the proper sea-ice *volume* data shows you effects that last over multiple years - i.e. global warming.
@dalellll You are guilty of the same. You're ignoring this data for your own...and can you show us the data of sea-ice mass? Not only that, but can you show us how CO2 from man is causing this? You know CO2 follows temperature change...Can you explain how Man made CO2 (an infintesimal part of the Green House Gases) can drive the global climate...especially when CO2 changes follow temp changes by 800+ years?
@dalellll You're just plain wrong there :) i.e. "Greenpeace Leader Admits Arctic Ice Exaggeration". World is cooling :), which is too bad, because cooling is much worse than warming.
@jazzbox111 Your "greenpeace leader" must not be aware of the actual scientific evidence (which doesn't come from greenpeace, as you seem to think). There are no "climate change deniers" among the people who actually study the climate patterns at the poles.
@dalellll: Mass & volume are irrelevant to establishing cooling or warming trends. It is over all area coverd by ice that is meaningful to understanding warming or cooling. Though, ice levels generally are silly way to determine any temp. Ice is subject to air & sea currents. Volume & mass can result from simply being piled by tidal forces & current. Ice carried to a cold spot where it simply doesn't flow out very well. As for the bears, they need thin ice to break through & kill seals.
certain ones already are. however the trend so far is that they become very green, and then after a decade or so become even hotter than they were to begin with. this is a trend in canada however, if you live in the united states, i doubt that you will see such dramatic change
FLASHBACK 2009: Exclusive: New NSIDC director Serreze explains the death spiral of Arctic ice, brushes off the breathtaking ignorance of blogs like WattsUpWithThat (Climate Progress, June 5th, 2009)
(He predicted ice free Arctic by 2013 AND Death Spiral is his own choice of word)
APRIL 2010 The Times : Dr Serreze now states:
In retrospect, the reactions to the 2007 melt were overstated. The lesson is that we must be more careful in not reading too much into one event, Serreze said
It is easy for the GOP to think that the oil and gas companies are smarter than the IPCC when the oil and gas companies heavily fund the GOP to think so. There is no need to debate the science when all the GOP needs to do is delay the political process. The Bush administration agreed with the view of ACC although they disagreed to the solutions. For whatever reason, this led to a full attack against the science itself. There is no controversy. ACC is real.
@seekirk You need a serious dose of reality if you honestly think there is no controversy as there are thousands of scientists who oppose AGW(changing the name doesn't shield you from reality) and more and more are becoming "dissenters" every day because of the reality of "space weather" and it's effects on our climate clearly being far more substantial than any possible anthropogenic cause.
AGW alarmists have been disregarding actual science for a long time, science is getting sick of it.
Interesting video. But what scientists are saying about the melting of the ice is that the thickest ice, that ice that has remained frozen the longest, is reducing in volume. Yes, the AREA of the ice on the surface increases and decreases with the seasons, but it has little to do with the fact that the VOLUME of ice present on the caps is decreasing.
What they are ignoring is the simple fact that generally as the volume up north decreases, the volume at the other end of this crazy planet and other locations increases. The level of actual total decrease generally follows trends in ocean current activity and solar activity, neither of which is affected to any statistical relevancy by human activity. Our activities are as statistically relevant as a bucket of fresh water dumped in the Pacific Ocean.
Good old Mother Earth has been keeping equilibrium without our help through mass extinction causing disasters for millions of years. Thinking that our last two centuries of development is at all relevant is absolutely laughable. George Carlin said it best.
Oh, wow! That's what we've all been missing. Carlin, who was obviously an expert climatologist already settled the issue by saying something funny. I guess I missed that revelation while I was studying the data that real, highly skilled scientists were providing. Laughable indeed!
I can only assume you're referring to the data that proves the exact opposite of the point you're trying to make. If someone speculates an idea that the data they collect then negates, the premise is rendered invalid.
This has been the case with all the studies used to advance the ludicrous idea that mankind can have an effect on climate even significant next to the movement of a hundred million cubic miles of water and the radiance caused by the fusion of 600 million metric tons of hydrogen every second.
Please. At least those big numbers are roughly the reality according to known data instead of stuff like climate Prophet Al Gore saying good old Ma Earth's core is "millions of degrees" to sound smart on the tube. Stuff like the data collected in this video, the very research that is meant to support the theory of humanity caused warming, does the very opposite when considered all together and with historical variances. Keeping the dream alive is at this point Flat Earthing. Sorry, Science rules
Here are some big numbers for you: Scientists have calculated that volcanoes emit between about 130-230 million tonnes (145-255 million tons) of CO2 into the atmosphere every year (Gerlach, 1991). This estimate includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes, about in equal amounts. Emissions of CO2 by human activities, including fossil fuel burning, cement production, and gas flaring, amount to about 27 billion tonnes per year (30 billion tons) [ ( Marland, et al., 2006)
That can be found on the U.S. Geological Survey website. Something else you might find interesting is the information that can be found on the National Snow and Ice Data Center website which shows the loss of perennial sea ice over the past several decades. It's put in a nice, easy-to-read graph that maybe even you can understand. I'm not sure if you're ready for real info yet, but it's out there for you if you're willing to look it up.
As usual you get people like Luciafferri who play the man not the ball. What arrogance for him to call the man who made this video an "IDIOT".
It reminds me of the flat earthers including the Pope who forced Gallieo to retract his statement that the earth was round while the political establishment wanted to remian flat so as to keep their serfs in grinding poverty on the small pieces of farming land.
everyone should look up "Lord Monckton Climate Change Fraud"
this guy tirelessly exposes the scientific political fraud that is man made climate change, so much so, he and other scientists managed to destroy the kopenhagen treaty. which is great news as if it passed it would have taxed the middle classes into poverty and cause mass depopulation in 3rd world countries
dont believe me, look him up yourself, research yourself.
also, al gore refuses to debate lord monckton, wonder why!!!!
Sadly, this vid and 'Climate Central's' associated comments are just another example of an idiot using out-of-context and incomplete information to confirm their own prejudices. This vid fails to show mean temperature, ice thickness and other data, without which the sequence is meaningless in climate change terms.
Those of you in denial about the damage being wrought by CO2 emissions should do some homework about the subject as written by scientists whose work is subject to proper scrutiny.
Mean surface temperature worldwide has varied far less in recent history than in pre industrial records, and usually not to similar extremes. Mean temp variances historically coincide far more closely with solar activity and ocean current variances than it ever has with human CO2 production. And ice receding is not the end of the world. The IPCC data already shows that the ridiculous figures used by the punditry on the telly are mostly ridiculous exaggeration, and sometimes outright fabrications
At 3-4 seconds in you get a snapshot of the ice-cap in 1979.
The ice-cap is the ice which does not melt during the summer.
Now go to 3:52. That's a snapshot of the ice-cap in 2008 (the last summer for which data is available on this video). There is a massive difference. Massive change has taken place over the last 30 years.
Ironically, Greenpeace started saving the seals from hunters decades back. Now they're trying to save polar bears, which eat seals! Are they going to bring the hunters back to kill polar bears to save seals? I swear the green movement knows not what it's doing, except in the propaganda stakes.
If we left both species alone, we wouldn't have to interfere and conserve. It's not important that polar bears kill seals, a tiny bit of environmental science would teach you that as one species falls, so does another, then one rises, making the other rise. By killing off the seals, we are killing off the polar bears, because we are destroying their food. We need to conserve both to conserve both species. Don't you get it?
I get it lukster, I was just making a point about the irony of the conservation movement regarding seals, since just about everything in the ocean eats them as well.
The first ship that ever sailed the northwest passage was in 1906 (amundsen).
The cooling trend should be to gw what warming was to "the coming ice age" of the 1970's. It's over now stop scaring the kids. Co2 has neglible impact on our weather, unless more co2 means cooling? Duh huh!
Thirty years of data isn't evan a blip in our world history of 4.5 billion years. But it clearly shows that although their are yearly changes their has been no significant total change is 30 years.
@markleyg I study palaeontology, so I am well aware of the scale of 4.5 billion years of earth history, and am well aware of the climatic variations that have happened in that time. And thirty years matters more to the health and safety of a human population than 4.5 billion years does. Any scientist worth their salt knows to choose datasets that are relevant. And every competent scientist which has looked into it has found net warming over the past 30 years, from a range of relevant data.
The same nutbags proselytizing their gospel of Thermal Armageddon (lest we shut down capitalism) are the SAME who endlessly chanted "Nuclear Winter" throughout the Cold War, attempting to shut down capitalism by having us surrender to communism.
Same socialist mystics; same goal; same Thermometer Gods; opposite end of the thermometer.
@TheAntiLeft What the hell does socialism have to do with climate change? How do you Limbaugh clones bring the into every argument?
"My scrambled eggs are cold! Damned leftist, communist bastards!"
I will agree the paranoia and ignorance of hippies in the 60s and 70s screwed us out of nuclear energy, but to say it was some plot to end capitalism is just plain moronic.
A more sensible question would be, why do you Eco-dupes bring Limbaugh into every argument?
Aside from the Socialist Cap & Tax scheme & the non-materialization of their various Thermal Armageddon prophesies, the Socialist mythology ("AGW") is based on a rich history of exposed hoaxes that were/are spawned & proselytized by merciless socialists & eco-dupes such as yourself, for the express purpose of separating Capitalist's from their earnings & their liberty to earn it.
@TheAntiLeft Please tell me, do you know what a fact is? Do you know what a generalization is? Do you know the definition of critical thinking? Do you know what causes the retardation of the ability to think critically?
Don't give me the answers to these questions, I already know them. You need to answer them for yourself. If you speak to me with facts instead of generalizations, I might be able to understand what you're saying, otherwise you're just speaking gibberish.
@TheAntiLeft This isn't so much a political division issue as it is one for human cooperation, reverence and improvement of natural interaction. We live on a living earth, yet decisions can place this life at risk - the very life we depend on for food, water and air. Moving forward, we must learn about our planets requirements, as these requirements will provide for ours. I'm not talking about economics, I'm talking about what we actually need; food, water, nutrients, air.
There were NO weapons of mass destruction in Iraq - just as Dr. Hans Blix said; But, the Republican media machine didn't want us to hear that.
And, there is NO dangerous climate change caused by human carbon dioxide - just as the "independent scientists" are now trying to tell us! But, the Democrat media machine doesn't want us to hear that.
We are made to run from one boogieman to next, as each political party achieves its own agendas for them & their money mates.
What makes anyone think we can change the world?? If it were not for some kind of warming would not NY and Canada all be covered with ICE??? Come on, let the earth warm and cool as it has done naturally since the start of time.
In my mind, the jury is still out on global warming but:
Your video clearly does not support your point.
There clearly trends to be less ice in both winter and summer from the start to the end of the video.
Even more apparent is how slow the pace is of ice growing back later in the video vs the beginning.
For example, look at the islands in N Canada, and see how many months a year a shipping passage thru there would be open from the start to the end of the video.
No of course there is lots of people that study these things , taking measurements and readings,and studing ice cores and such . BUT how can u believe them they just want funding so they want golbalwarming to be real , just like those doctors said smoking causes cancer and heart disease ......OOH wait ... shit i think where in trouble ....lol
haha al gore about "Global Warming" during Dino era (Triassic, Jurassic, Crotatious) Iowa state was right next to the equator. There was bo ice at the poles, and Europa was islands. And besides you use the kernel of a ear of corn to make ethanol, which thus increases food prices. So I'm keeping my gas guzzler.
first of all should the same ice from 1970-80 be alsow in 2010? i dont think so, it is not people's fault that the ice melts it has already melted before, not once but several times and then before 1 million years there were no people on earth, so the earth does as it want's.
LIVE AND DO WTF YOU WANT, the earth dose wtf it wants, and the ice will melt even if you drive and do other stuff.
yeeaaaah but we ARE causing it to melt faster and regenerate less.
It's like saying when you see a guy raping a woman even before you showed up you mine as well sit and do nothing because he's gonna rape her anyways. (odd comparison I know but a meaningful one tho XP)
This video shows that the summer ice is in a clearly decreasing trend.
The "hoaxsters" might try to have you mistake the thin edges of winter ice (at maximum) to much thicker "permanent" ice. Unfortunately a top-down video only shows two dimensions in a three dimensional problem.
They may even claim it's "growing".
Notice the ice is progressively getting smaller EVERY SUMMER. Look at the first few summers, then the last few.... It's not encouraging!
The Arctic ice has been in a decreasing trend for 30 years, as you say ... however Antarctic sea ice has been increasing almost twice as fast as the Arctic decrease over the same period.
Check the data ... in 2009 Arctic sea ice is at normal levels.
First off, prior to your outright insult of other people's intelligence might I suggest you first learn the difference between percentiles and median before clearly identifying to which side of the bell curve you belong.
El cambio climatico proporciona al periodista un titular, al cientifico una excusa para recaudar fondos, y al político una causa para tapar sus otros errores. Que sea real o no, o que sea causa humana o no, parece que no tiene mayor importancia.
Bueno,yo vivo en España,tengo familia en Islandia y el glacial masgrande de Eiropa que conoci en los 70,perdió mas de un km y medio de area..Eso es un dato concreto y definitivo.
Ahora bien, el perito moreno argentino también a retrocedido... Claro, se sabe que hace mil años era mucho mas grande, por la roca, pero Al Gore y sus amigos eso no lo cuentan...
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What's frustrating about this is that people will point to it and say, "See? There's no such thing as global warming."
Folks, there isn't any turkey thermometer with a button that pops out when it gets too hot. By the time the damage was obvious enough for everyone to admit, it would be too late to fix it.
If there really isn't any global warming, that would be wonderful news. But we still don't know for sure. Let's be on the guard against politics, complacency and wishful thinking.
Yes facts are frustrating things. Even worse than inconvenient. By all means, lets do everything we can to use GW to take away human liberty and choice (as the president of the Czech Republic who lived under the dogmas of Communism well knows and has warned us that BW is the new Marxism); degrade lifestyles, and even starve millions to death as we convert crops to biofuels. The Left already deprived the world of DDT over nothing and killed untold #s from malaria.
Not to mention that the Big oil company's kill people all the time that invent new ways of transportation & stifle new & innovative ideas. If there is a problem with global warming. Tax the assholes who caused the problem. The big oil company's have made trillions upon trillions of dollars for the past 100 years. Let them pay to fix the problem they created. ( That is.. if it's even a problem anyway ) But of course. If this was the issue.. they would claim that global warming was a mistake.
What's frustrating to me is the fact that No one will acknowledge the fact that, All of these videos that you see of the Ice collapsing into the ocean & melting away are ( In day light !! ) witch means .. IT'S THE SUMMER TIME. When these videos are shot. When they can show me night time video of the poles cracking apart into the oceans .. Then I'll buy the lie.. But until then. It's nothing more than a scam.
You guys. Stop with this Al Gore shit. Earth goes through climatic cycles all the time and this can be easily seen in the layers of the ice caps you all complain about. Yes, ice bodies are diminishing but this has happened in the past and will surely happen in the future.
Si fuera así, estamos ante un fenómeno doblemente peligroso, por un lado TU cambio climático natural y por otro el incremento de los gases invernadero. Por cierto, la última edad de hielo fue hace 10.000 años y hasta que no se retiraron los hielos los seres humanos no salieron de las cavernas. ...
Y que? Hay muchas cosas que se pueden hacer para "salvarnos", el politiqueo y los vídeos progres no son mas que peliculitas que se monta la gente para creerse algo mas de lo que son.
Por cierto el hombre de las cavernas no se cargaba el mundo. Ahora bien, el señor Gore se cree poder decirle al mundo de donde sacar la energia... Claro, estado unidos y todos los de la parra del calentamiento global viven en paises desarrollados a base de petroleo. Dile tu ahora a Nigeria que se monte unos bueno paneles solares dejandose la pasta que no tiene... Muy facil pedir que se dejen los combustible fosiles cuando nos an dejao la barriga llena... bonito ordenador por cierto....
Basically: This isn't a polar orbit satellite. It's using a camera that isn't aimed straight down and compiling 'the picture' from several passes. It can't quite 'see' the actual pole due to curvature of the Earth and the odd angle.
That´s not true. I live in Spain and it´s rainned a lot, but not cooler. That´s different. And you must know that Climatology is different from Meteorology. Climate Change is real, and maybe it´ll be good for some countries if the cultivation move.
"El calentamiento global" como suele llamarse producirá incremento de precipitaciones en algunas regiones y disminución en otras. El clima es un sistema caótico, basta con modificar significativamente una variable (el % de CO2 atmosférico) para que se modifique el clima, pero en sentido global, no hay que mirar los datos en un año, y en España, sino a lo largo de más años y hallar el PROMEDIO, un año es poco.
Al César lo que es del César. Al Gore es un político no un científico. Y son todos los científicos los que alertan sobre el cambio climático, el que un político quiera sacar tajada es otro tema que no se estaba discutiendo aquí.
Al palurdo que me ha puesto negativos en todos los comentarios que estudie Físicas como yo, y luego hablamos del cambio climático o de física cuántica.
he tries to say that ice is thinner in summer, wich is quite obvious. Also, he doesn't state the difference between the ice amount between current summer and 80's summer.
Thank you for a competant & objecive analysis
VictorLepanto 4 months ago
Sea ice extent is measured when sea ice reaches it's lowest level every year. Sea ice mass loss is what we are most interested about. Look up the GRACE satellite system and their discoveries regarding mass loss.
WaxItYourself 4 months ago
Al Gore is a hypocrite, he had/has mines, uses more electricity in one house than my whole street, and you greenies adore him, pathetic
LiamistheBest13 5 months ago
the climate changes, but , its the enemy we created according to our trusty politicians, we are to blame, when are they ever going to blame themselves ???????? never
LiamistheBest13 5 months ago
@Dmanning11 Your division of "primary/secondary" etc factors is misleading. In climatology (and all science), context is everything. The primary factor in the seasons is solar radiation - the sun. The primary factor in the recent global warming trend is CO2 concentration.
dalellll 6 months ago
@VictorLepanto Well, no. Mass and volume are not irrelevant, especially to long-term trends. You are oversimplifying the situation a little. Ice volume relates to how much is *retained* over many years. "Piling" looks v different.
dalellll 6 months ago
Well it appears from the limited data that its showing hotter summers and colder winters. At least we now know that the temperature correlation is much more closely linked to the solar cycle than to green house gas accumulation.
I think there was an Australian comedian who commented on global warming in a stupid analogy "When it gets hot in a room you don't look at the guy who farted, you look at the guy who threw petrol in the fireplace"
Dmanning11 8 months ago
@Dmanning11 You may only have just discovered that the sun influences climate, but climatologists have actually always known this, and taken it into consideration. The temperature correlation that they are concerned about is linked to greenhouse gas accumulation, not the "solar cycle".
dalellll 7 months ago
@dalellll I think you will find that the sun is almost singularly responsible for 99.99999% of earths climate, the gas content of the atmosphere in the end is only a secondary, or tertiary factor.
The media in the coming years will start saying that global warming via greenhouse gas emissions are still present, but are being negated by the sun going into a solar period similar to the Dalton minimum, a slight reprieve if you will. In short the global warming fan-boys will never give up.
Dmanning11 7 months ago
@Dmanning11 Excuse me? I wrote, completely un-ambiguously, in straightforward English, that the sun's influence was well known. What is also well known is the recent global warming trend, the fact that this warming has been linked conclusively with greenhouse gases (confirmed by multiple independent lines of evidence), and the multiple independent signs of climatic shift in recent years - only one of which is the net decline in Arctic ice volume. (This video shows you "Area" instead. Odd, eh?)
dalellll 7 months ago
@Dmanning11 You couldnt be more incorrect about the atmosphere having little or no effect on the climate.Think the "greenhouse effect" is just "Made up"?? Well,I've got 2 words for ya--THE MOON. The moon is basically the same distance away from the Sun as the earth is--BUt,the moon has no atmosphere---and guess what?The moons temperatures flucuate WILDLY.It goes from around 230 fahrenheit when its facing the sun to -250 below when its not. And the reason is that there's NO AIR. Got it? LOL
mrbrianmccarthy 6 months ago
@mrbrianmccarthy no the green house effect is real, its what keeps the atmosphere from loosing all its thermal energy when its facing away from the sun. The primary factor in the earths climate is the sun (no sun then there is not enough thermal energy to maintain our atmosphere as a gas and the whole lot freezes on the earths surface). The secondary factor would likely be the dense nitrogen, oxygen rich atmosphere, combined with the high moisture content of the lower atmosphere.
Dmanning11 6 months ago
@mrbrianmccarthy The tertiary factors would be the lesser greenhouse gasses such as CO2, CH4, N2O and so on.
Dmanning11 6 months ago
It's melting in summer then re-freezing during winter.
SuperUniverse555 8 months ago
fuck you
HATER123455 9 months ago
guess what. polar bear populations are increasing. you gorians make assessments and refuse to see if your conclusions are actualy valid
TAPriceCTR 10 months ago
I know where all that snow and ice went, in my back yard. All three feet of it came from antartica along with the cold air. you can't prove global warming by me or my neighbors in new england.
newburyportvideo 11 months ago
How convenient is it to brand global warming as a lie. After all, its much easier to ignore a problem than to face it.
kcargh 11 months ago
@kcargh As far as environmental problems go for this planet, carbon dioxide emissions is at the bottom of the list. Even if global warming is as apocalyptic as all the ecofanatics claim (highly unlikely) it has a built in fail-safe: limited oil reserves. We've probably consumed half of all fossil fuels in the last century and what remains will go even faster, so within the next 100 years the climate will re-stabilize from our marginal emissions. News flash: Solar activity controls the climate!
Arejek 9 months ago
For who is behind the hoax, see the book Anatomy of a Con Job by John Truman Wolfe.
ctp050149 1 year ago
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davedubya 1 year ago
The claim that the ice is thinner than before is all hoax.
Just like the whole global warming scam.
It's all about money, and oil, and limiting 3rd world development.
It's a desperate attempt by the collapsing western powers to reassert themselves as masters of the world, not through economic strength but by controlling energy use on a global scale.
Thank God China and India didn't fall for it or we would have world dictatorship already.
Txsray 1 year ago
@Txsray Soooo you're a scientist who's researching all of this?
Pwnzoar1 11 months ago
@kasuha ...in. Droughts and bushfires are huge risks where i live - global warming will exacerbate those. The Earth 70 million years ago didnt have ice caps - but it didnt have human civilisation either. 80% of the human population isnt going to just up-and-move in an orderly fashion. Climate change can have huge effects on both animal and human populations.
dalellll 1 year ago
@kasuha Earth has been without its ice sheets, and 200m deep shallow seas covered much of the continents. There were sea animals in Kansas in the Cretaceous. Almost every major city on Earth is next to a river or an ocean. 80% of the human population is coastal. Thats not all, if crop zones shift away from established agricultural areas, famines would set
dalellll 1 year ago
Oh well I always run out of characters just like a bad novel. Until I see greenland and antarctica's ice sheets DISAPPEAR you can all just fuck off and leave me be. None of this bullshit matters don't you see? Life in this vast universe does NOT revolve around our species or the jew bankers. I say let them and the military monkeys have it all. This speck of a planet doesn't mean shit to the universe so kill us off. I don't give a fuck. Now where's my hot cup of coffee? I do like a hot coffee.
angstotheclown 1 year ago
After 54 years on this stinking planet I have come to the conclusion that all kings, governments, corporations, scientist LIE habitually. I trust nothing any of them say as I've watched the lies grow larger and the world's leaders and bankers grow more insane. You know what I see with this timelapse? Either a complete fake since I've never been to the arctic circle or I see the ice spreading and receding consistently season after season. Until I see greenland and antarctica's ice sheets fuck off
angstotheclown 1 year ago
@angstotheclown Well i'm glad to see your disillusionment hasn't made you a vaguely racist nihilist with no ability to assess or comprehend the world, or the significance of anything in it. That would suck.
dalellll 1 year ago
@benscoot to clarify: CO2 only needs to be in small amounts to absorb infra-red radiation. You can see demos of this where a guy stands front of an IR camera, and when CO2 pumped between him and the camera, his IR image disappears. Easy to demonstrate. The Earth re-radiates suns heat as IR, so CO2 traps it. CO2 released by forest fires, respiration - and fossil fuels. Since 1850, has PRECEDED temp. change. All facts. Thankyou for constructive questions.
dalellll 1 year ago
@benscoot Im not ignoring this data: this data = irrelevant; laws of physics "ignore" it. I can show you the data of sea-ice mass. See Quarternary Science Reviews, issue 29 (2010), p.1757, for review of the data. I can show how CO2 drives warming: its bc CO2 absorbs infra-red from the earths surface. CO2 is released by high temp, and high temp is caused by CO2. In last 150yrs, CO2 is released by man.
dalellll 1 year ago
@dalellll polar ice extent defines polar region albedo and that has great impact on energy exchange, in this area far greater than CO2 concentration. You can't declare it irrelevant just because it does not go well with your belief.
kasuha 1 year ago
@kasuha It is irrelevant as a symptom of global warming. Of course albedo is broadly relevant, but to claim it has a "far greater" impact than CO2 concentration on a global scale (i note you said "in this area" - now that's irrelevant) is to lose sight of the issue completely. Of course arctic albedo would cool things more than having NO SURFACE ICE AT ALL, but that is not what we are comparing it to: we are comparing it to 1978. We have had surface ice that entire time. Theres no extra albedo.
dalellll 1 year ago
@dalellll What is a "polar ice mass" good for as indicator of global temperature if you have temperatures themselves? Nobody's saying temperatures aren't raising. All of the discussion is about how much "man made" and how much "catastrophic" it is. And about the effect on the temperature, the area sure has much bigger effect than mass. Polar ice caps cover significant potion of earth surface, their effect is by far not irrelevant.
kasuha 1 year ago
@kasuha Because theyr not *just* an indicator of temperature rise, they're also an indicator of the effects of temperature rise. Losing sea-ice volume means, ultimately, losing the ice-sheets - which would be catastrophic. As for sea-ice area, i've already covered this, so i'll refer you to my earlier comment: Albedo is a non-sequitor - you're having an argument with nobody.
dalellll 1 year ago
@dalellll Earth was without its polar ice sheets several times in the history and there's no evidence life has suffered any heavy damage during that. Not only that it obviously won't happen anytime soon, even if it really happens there's nothing to be worried about.
kasuha 1 year ago
@kasuha ...And all of that, of course, is ignoring the point that Arctic sea ice volume - which has declined markedly since 1978 - is taken as a measure of the *impact* of rising global temperatures. The OP claims "our Arctic Sea ice has not melted away" - that claim is false, and Arctic sea ice *area* - as opposed to *volume* - is irrelevant to that claim. Commenting on albedo - which is related to sea-ice *area* and is seasonal (not increasing) - is a non sequitor.
dalellll 1 year ago
poor henry hudson looking for the northwest passage for over a few hundred years if he was alive he would has found the passage already
RobloxTitanicMovie 1 year ago
What does this blue circle mean? I am searching for colorful satellite images from the North Pole.
muthich 1 year ago
@GabrielFane Just cause they don't deny it does NOT mean that they believe it does. Science can only disprove a hypothesis, and can NEVER prove something. A scientist who says he has proven something is not a scientist at all. It becomes junk science when you say your predictions are proven. There might be "evidence to suggest" but there is never "evidence that proves". Furthermore, nobody has been able to disprove the possibility that we could be going into a cooler period.
lvcrxrcr 1 year ago
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1 month ago
The correlation between CO2 and temperature in the pre-industrial 420,000 years, according to the Vostok ice core is surprisingly linear (some 8 ppmv for 1°C) and includes shorter (~800 years) for glacial-interglacial transitions and longer (up to thousands of years) lags for CO2 vs. temperature for interglacial-glacial transitions.
In simpler terms: There is no evidence to suggest anything. You also cannot disprove that the world is cooling.
lvcrxrcr 1 year ago
@GabrielFane - Any facts to back that up?
Google can be your friend, there are these things called scientific databases(many in association with NASA or the ESA and such) that contain research papers opposing AGW theory for many reasons from thousands of authors.
The UN IPCC is 600 scientists who get to put together a draft and then hand it over to politicians and they are absolutely correct, but thousands of credible scientists with no political agenda are just holocaust deniers. Fuck off.
Masta420 1 year ago
The correlation between CO2 and temperature in the pre-industrial 420,000 years, according to the Vostok ice core is surprisingly linear (some 8 ppmv for 1°C) and includes shorter (~800 years) for glacial-interglacial transitions and longer (up to thousands of years) lags for CO2 vs. temperature for interglacial-glacial transitions.
lvcrxrcr 1 year ago
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As Arctic sea ice shrinks faster than 2007, NSIDC director Serreze says, “I think it’s quite possible” we could “break another record this year.” May 24, 2010
hancocklicata 1 year ago
This video is showing sea-ice extent, not sea-ice mass. If you show sea ice mass, you see a distinct decline over the last thirty years. You've ignored the actual claims made by climatologists, and chosen a set of data that misses the point.
dalellll 1 year ago 12
@dalellll Wut? Is this vid posted by a "skeptik"?
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
@0PsycoDad0 I think so, but they may be genuinely confused. See their description. They posted data that doesn't actually tell you anything (because global warming manifests in sea-ice VOLUME, not area); if you search online you should be able to find the actual sea-ice volume data, which shows a very clear decline in sea-ice total mass. The area-data will only show you the annual cycle, but the proper sea-ice *volume* data shows you effects that last over multiple years - i.e. global warming.
dalellll 1 year ago
@dalellll Yeah denial everywhere. Although the facts are appallingly obvious.
Have you heard the iceberg broken from Antacrtica this summer?
It´s the size of Massachuchetts yet the ice mass is going through "natural cycles"....
OMG!
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
@dalellll Just shutup and enjoy the video. The person uploading this content hasn't ignored anything. Go fuck yourself.
ARInternetTelevision 1 year ago
@ARInternetTelevision Why is it that as soon as kids turn old enough to use a mouse, they hit YouTube? Go back under the bridge, troll.
dalellll 1 year ago
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@dalellll Just shutup and enjoy the video. The person uploading this content hasn't ignored anything. Go fuck yourself.
ARInternetTelevision 1 year ago
@dalellll You are guilty of the same. You're ignoring this data for your own...and can you show us the data of sea-ice mass? Not only that, but can you show us how CO2 from man is causing this? You know CO2 follows temperature change...Can you explain how Man made CO2 (an infintesimal part of the Green House Gases) can drive the global climate...especially when CO2 changes follow temp changes by 800+ years?
benscoot 1 year ago
@dalellll Agreed :)
donsjuand 8 months ago
@dalellll Your just plain wrong there :)
jazzbox111 7 months ago
@dalellll You're just plain wrong there :) i.e. "Greenpeace Leader Admits Arctic Ice Exaggeration". World is cooling :), which is too bad, because cooling is much worse than warming.
jazzbox111 7 months ago
@jazzbox111 Your "greenpeace leader" must not be aware of the actual scientific evidence (which doesn't come from greenpeace, as you seem to think). There are no "climate change deniers" among the people who actually study the climate patterns at the poles.
dalellll 7 months ago
@dalellll: Mass & volume are irrelevant to establishing cooling or warming trends. It is over all area coverd by ice that is meaningful to understanding warming or cooling. Though, ice levels generally are silly way to determine any temp. Ice is subject to air & sea currents. Volume & mass can result from simply being piled by tidal forces & current. Ice carried to a cold spot where it simply doesn't flow out very well. As for the bears, they need thin ice to break through & kill seals.
VictorLepanto 6 months ago
@dalellll Then explain why The massive Dye2 station in Greenland is almost subsumed into the ice since it was built in the 1960's.
m1aws 2 months ago
Global Warming is REAL!!!!
Its called SUMMER. Welcome to earth....
WageASPSlaves 1 year ago
hey is it possible now that the desert states will turn greener and more humid?
forest1997 1 year ago
@forest1997
certain ones already are. however the trend so far is that they become very green, and then after a decade or so become even hotter than they were to begin with. this is a trend in canada however, if you live in the united states, i doubt that you will see such dramatic change
tarnishedmercury 1 year ago
cool, I'm gonna go buy that Hummer I've had my eye on...
amylissa69 1 year ago
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thefudge123321 1 year ago
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FLASHBACK 2009: Exclusive: New NSIDC director Serreze explains the death spiral of Arctic ice, brushes off the breathtaking ignorance of blogs like WattsUpWithThat (Climate Progress, June 5th, 2009)
(He predicted ice free Arctic by 2013 AND Death Spiral is his own choice of word)
APRIL 2010 The Times : Dr Serreze now states:
In retrospect, the reactions to the 2007 melt were overstated. The lesson is that we must be more careful in not reading too much into one event, Serreze said
thefudge123321 1 year ago
It is easy for the GOP to think that the oil and gas companies are smarter than the IPCC when the oil and gas companies heavily fund the GOP to think so. There is no need to debate the science when all the GOP needs to do is delay the political process. The Bush administration agreed with the view of ACC although they disagreed to the solutions. For whatever reason, this led to a full attack against the science itself. There is no controversy. ACC is real.
seekirk 1 year ago
@seekirk You need a serious dose of reality if you honestly think there is no controversy as there are thousands of scientists who oppose AGW(changing the name doesn't shield you from reality) and more and more are becoming "dissenters" every day because of the reality of "space weather" and it's effects on our climate clearly being far more substantial than any possible anthropogenic cause.
AGW alarmists have been disregarding actual science for a long time, science is getting sick of it.
Masta420 1 year ago
How can you not see the change?!!
seekirk 1 year ago
hint: watch the summers
onlyshallow86 1 year ago
Interesting video. But what scientists are saying about the melting of the ice is that the thickest ice, that ice that has remained frozen the longest, is reducing in volume. Yes, the AREA of the ice on the surface increases and decreases with the seasons, but it has little to do with the fact that the VOLUME of ice present on the caps is decreasing.
luvav8n 2 years ago
well indoctrinated. A+
Gutenberg1 1 year ago
What they are ignoring is the simple fact that generally as the volume up north decreases, the volume at the other end of this crazy planet and other locations increases. The level of actual total decrease generally follows trends in ocean current activity and solar activity, neither of which is affected to any statistical relevancy by human activity. Our activities are as statistically relevant as a bucket of fresh water dumped in the Pacific Ocean.
SaintEntreri 1 year ago
@SaintEntreri LOL!
Bad try..
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
Good old Mother Earth has been keeping equilibrium without our help through mass extinction causing disasters for millions of years. Thinking that our last two centuries of development is at all relevant is absolutely laughable. George Carlin said it best.
SaintEntreri 1 year ago
Oh, wow! That's what we've all been missing. Carlin, who was obviously an expert climatologist already settled the issue by saying something funny. I guess I missed that revelation while I was studying the data that real, highly skilled scientists were providing. Laughable indeed!
luvav8n 1 year ago
I can only assume you're referring to the data that proves the exact opposite of the point you're trying to make. If someone speculates an idea that the data they collect then negates, the premise is rendered invalid.
SaintEntreri 1 year ago
This has been the case with all the studies used to advance the ludicrous idea that mankind can have an effect on climate even significant next to the movement of a hundred million cubic miles of water and the radiance caused by the fusion of 600 million metric tons of hydrogen every second.
SaintEntreri 1 year ago
Oh. Big numbers. Yep, now you convinced me.
luvav8n 1 year ago
Please. At least those big numbers are roughly the reality according to known data instead of stuff like climate Prophet Al Gore saying good old Ma Earth's core is "millions of degrees" to sound smart on the tube. Stuff like the data collected in this video, the very research that is meant to support the theory of humanity caused warming, does the very opposite when considered all together and with historical variances. Keeping the dream alive is at this point Flat Earthing. Sorry, Science rules
SaintEntreri 1 year ago
Here are some big numbers for you: Scientists have calculated that volcanoes emit between about 130-230 million tonnes (145-255 million tons) of CO2 into the atmosphere every year (Gerlach, 1991). This estimate includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes, about in equal amounts. Emissions of CO2 by human activities, including fossil fuel burning, cement production, and gas flaring, amount to about 27 billion tonnes per year (30 billion tons) [ ( Marland, et al., 2006)
luvav8n 1 year ago
That can be found on the U.S. Geological Survey website. Something else you might find interesting is the information that can be found on the National Snow and Ice Data Center website which shows the loss of perennial sea ice over the past several decades. It's put in a nice, easy-to-read graph that maybe even you can understand. I'm not sure if you're ready for real info yet, but it's out there for you if you're willing to look it up.
luvav8n 1 year ago
As usual you get people like Luciafferri who play the man not the ball. What arrogance for him to call the man who made this video an "IDIOT".
It reminds me of the flat earthers including the Pope who forced Gallieo to retract his statement that the earth was round while the political establishment wanted to remian flat so as to keep their serfs in grinding poverty on the small pieces of farming land.
tendele7 2 years ago
everyone should look up "Lord Monckton Climate Change Fraud"
this guy tirelessly exposes the scientific political fraud that is man made climate change, so much so, he and other scientists managed to destroy the kopenhagen treaty. which is great news as if it passed it would have taxed the middle classes into poverty and cause mass depopulation in 3rd world countries
dont believe me, look him up yourself, research yourself.
also, al gore refuses to debate lord monckton, wonder why!!!!
seroeth 2 years ago
Sadly, this vid and 'Climate Central's' associated comments are just another example of an idiot using out-of-context and incomplete information to confirm their own prejudices. This vid fails to show mean temperature, ice thickness and other data, without which the sequence is meaningless in climate change terms.
Those of you in denial about the damage being wrought by CO2 emissions should do some homework about the subject as written by scientists whose work is subject to proper scrutiny.
luciaferri 2 years ago
Al Gore, when in the US gov, didnt sign Kioto.
Nough said
197001 2 years ago
Well said.
lukster1991 2 years ago
Mean surface temperature worldwide has varied far less in recent history than in pre industrial records, and usually not to similar extremes. Mean temp variances historically coincide far more closely with solar activity and ocean current variances than it ever has with human CO2 production. And ice receding is not the end of the world. The IPCC data already shows that the ridiculous figures used by the punditry on the telly are mostly ridiculous exaggeration, and sometimes outright fabrications
SaintEntreri 1 year ago
@luciaferri LOL!
0PsycoDad0 1 year ago
Surface area of a sphere.
4*PI*(radius*radius)
Surface area of earth (approx)= 452,389,342 miles.
More than enough.
Tacair1 2 years ago
At 3-4 seconds in you get a snapshot of the ice-cap in 1979.
The ice-cap is the ice which does not melt during the summer.
Now go to 3:52. That's a snapshot of the ice-cap in 2008 (the last summer for which data is available on this video). There is a massive difference. Massive change has taken place over the last 30 years.
baker109able 2 years ago
So it melts in the summer. So? Thats what ice does when the water temp goes up...in the summer! Theres your clue. Doh!
Tacair1 2 years ago
This video really tells a story, no or nominal change over 30 years. The global warming religion is nuts.
Dodger481 2 years ago
Ironically, Greenpeace started saving the seals from hunters decades back. Now they're trying to save polar bears, which eat seals! Are they going to bring the hunters back to kill polar bears to save seals? I swear the green movement knows not what it's doing, except in the propaganda stakes.
MrOllyK 2 years ago
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lukster1991 2 years ago
If we left both species alone, we wouldn't have to interfere and conserve. It's not important that polar bears kill seals, a tiny bit of environmental science would teach you that as one species falls, so does another, then one rises, making the other rise. By killing off the seals, we are killing off the polar bears, because we are destroying their food. We need to conserve both to conserve both species. Don't you get it?
lukster1991 2 years ago
I get it lukster, I was just making a point about the irony of the conservation movement regarding seals, since just about everything in the ocean eats them as well.
MrOllyK 2 years ago
dx. doi. org/10.1029/2007GL029703
substanti8 1 year ago
"My opinion is significant!!"
metcalf1690 2 years ago
The first ship that ever sailed the northwest passage was in 1906 (amundsen).
The cooling trend should be to gw what warming was to "the coming ice age" of the 1970's. It's over now stop scaring the kids. Co2 has neglible impact on our weather, unless more co2 means cooling? Duh huh!
traxter42 2 years ago
Thirty years of data isn't evan a blip in our world history of 4.5 billion years. But it clearly shows that although their are yearly changes their has been no significant total change is 30 years.
markleyg 2 years ago 5
@markleyg I study palaeontology, so I am well aware of the scale of 4.5 billion years of earth history, and am well aware of the climatic variations that have happened in that time. And thirty years matters more to the health and safety of a human population than 4.5 billion years does. Any scientist worth their salt knows to choose datasets that are relevant. And every competent scientist which has looked into it has found net warming over the past 30 years, from a range of relevant data.
dalellll 7 months ago
The same nutbags proselytizing their gospel of Thermal Armageddon (lest we shut down capitalism) are the SAME who endlessly chanted "Nuclear Winter" throughout the Cold War, attempting to shut down capitalism by having us surrender to communism.
Same socialist mystics; same goal; same Thermometer Gods; opposite end of the thermometer.
TheAntiLeft 2 years ago 2
@TheAntiLeft What the hell does socialism have to do with climate change? How do you Limbaugh clones bring the into every argument?
"My scrambled eggs are cold! Damned leftist, communist bastards!"
I will agree the paranoia and ignorance of hippies in the 60s and 70s screwed us out of nuclear energy, but to say it was some plot to end capitalism is just plain moronic.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80
A more sensible question would be, why do you Eco-dupes bring Limbaugh into every argument?
Aside from the Socialist Cap & Tax scheme & the non-materialization of their various Thermal Armageddon prophesies, the Socialist mythology ("AGW") is based on a rich history of exposed hoaxes that were/are spawned & proselytized by merciless socialists & eco-dupes such as yourself, for the express purpose of separating Capitalist's from their earnings & their liberty to earn it.
EVOLVE!
TheAntiLeft 1 year ago
@TheAntiLeft Please tell me, do you know what a fact is? Do you know what a generalization is? Do you know the definition of critical thinking? Do you know what causes the retardation of the ability to think critically?
Don't give me the answers to these questions, I already know them. You need to answer them for yourself. If you speak to me with facts instead of generalizations, I might be able to understand what you're saying, otherwise you're just speaking gibberish.
idontcare80 1 year ago
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@idontcare80
"if you.......i might be able to understand....."
Are you REALLY posing your immaculate ignorance as a rebuttal?
By "generalization", the eco-dupe means directly citing facts that debunk Leftist mythology.
We BOTH know you're not stupid enough to not know that "Cap & Tax scheme" isn't a "generalization".
EVOLVE!
TheAntiLeft 1 year ago
@TheAntiLeft This isn't so much a political division issue as it is one for human cooperation, reverence and improvement of natural interaction. We live on a living earth, yet decisions can place this life at risk - the very life we depend on for food, water and air. Moving forward, we must learn about our planets requirements, as these requirements will provide for ours. I'm not talking about economics, I'm talking about what we actually need; food, water, nutrients, air.
donsjuand 8 months ago
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There were NO weapons of mass destruction in Iraq - just as Dr. Hans Blix said; But, the Republican media machine didn't want us to hear that.
And, there is NO dangerous climate change caused by human carbon dioxide - just as the "independent scientists" are now trying to tell us! But, the Democrat media machine doesn't want us to hear that.
We are made to run from one boogieman to next, as each political party achieves its own agendas for them & their money mates.
SEE Professor Bob Carter
weallknowitstrue 2 years ago 2
"The total ice area in the Arctic reached its 2009 minimum on September 12, 2009 with approximately 4.5 mill sq. km.
This is approximately 10 days earlier and almost 1 mill sq km. more than the record minimum of 2007.
Compared to the minimum of 2008, this years total ice area minimum is ca. 700,000 mill. sq. km. higher."
arctic-roos . org
Arctic Regional Ocean Observing System (Arctic ROOS) has been established by a group of 14 member institutions from nine European countries.
StopTheCarbonTax1 2 years ago
another dissembling assessment of reality
JuanVoyce 2 years ago
How thick was the ice? And I don't think there are 700,000 MILLION square km on all of earth. Try again.
Paladiea 2 years ago
What makes anyone think we can change the world?? If it were not for some kind of warming would not NY and Canada all be covered with ICE??? Come on, let the earth warm and cool as it has done naturally since the start of time.
lloydharkins 2 years ago
I agree...let's return to natural warming and cooling...not AGW.
JuanVoyce 2 years ago 2
Compare extent of ice at 8 sec with 351 sec.
JuanVoyce 2 years ago
JuanVoyce,
YOUR AN IDIOT!!!
FreeinTX 2 years ago
In my mind, the jury is still out on global warming but:
Your video clearly does not support your point.
There clearly trends to be less ice in both winter and summer from the start to the end of the video.
Even more apparent is how slow the pace is of ice growing back later in the video vs the beginning.
For example, look at the islands in N Canada, and see how many months a year a shipping passage thru there would be open from the start to the end of the video.
caymancandlewood 2 years ago
No of course there is lots of people that study these things , taking measurements and readings,and studing ice cores and such . BUT how can u believe them they just want funding so they want golbalwarming to be real , just like those doctors said smoking causes cancer and heart disease ......OOH wait ... shit i think where in trouble ....lol
slessar 2 years ago
god the people here are stupid.
pincoya44 2 years ago 7
haha al gore about "Global Warming" during Dino era (Triassic, Jurassic, Crotatious) Iowa state was right next to the equator. There was bo ice at the poles, and Europa was islands. And besides you use the kernel of a ear of corn to make ethanol, which thus increases food prices. So I'm keeping my gas guzzler.
Whisper95Productions 2 years ago
Jingle bells ,ho ho ho
congratulations to everyone
You will aaaalll get your presents anyway this christmas,with or without ice
I love you so ,my little lovely creatures
bye bye
awake2012nibiru 2 years ago
first of all should the same ice from 1970-80 be alsow in 2010? i dont think so, it is not people's fault that the ice melts it has already melted before, not once but several times and then before 1 million years there were no people on earth, so the earth does as it want's.
LIVE AND DO WTF YOU WANT, the earth dose wtf it wants, and the ice will melt even if you drive and do other stuff.
TheDalibor89 2 years ago
yeeaaaah but we ARE causing it to melt faster and regenerate less.
It's like saying when you see a guy raping a woman even before you showed up you mine as well sit and do nothing because he's gonna rape her anyways. (odd comparison I know but a meaningful one tho XP)
Axxidous 2 years ago
I don't know what happened to my last comment.
I created the video from the NSIDC snow ice data. It is not a fake and is actually used to generate the sea ice curves we see everywhere.
For more cool stuff on clmatology google "the air vent"
JeffId1 2 years ago
Seriously though, this video is a fake.
Take a look at the first frames at the begining of the video and the frames at the end. THEY ARE EXACTLY THE SAME!!
fugert 2 years ago
ok. You can pay carbon taxes to Al Gore. I'll keep My money. hippy
wingnut4427 2 years ago
This video shows that the summer ice is in a clearly decreasing trend.
The "hoaxsters" might try to have you mistake the thin edges of winter ice (at maximum) to much thicker "permanent" ice. Unfortunately a top-down video only shows two dimensions in a three dimensional problem.
They may even claim it's "growing".
Notice the ice is progressively getting smaller EVERY SUMMER. Look at the first few summers, then the last few.... It's not encouraging!
fiftysix01 2 years ago
The Arctic ice has been in a decreasing trend for 30 years, as you say ... however Antarctic sea ice has been increasing almost twice as fast as the Arctic decrease over the same period.
Check the data ... in 2009 Arctic sea ice is at normal levels.
sydneydoc 2 years ago
2009 Arctic sea ice has returned to normal levels.
Antarctic sea ice continues to grow at 4.7% per annum.
sydneydoc 2 years ago
Great video. It is evidence like this that will help end the climate change fraud.
woodNfish 2 years ago 3
Unfortunately there are too many people who are easily scammed ... plus the 50% of the population that is below average intelligence.
sydneydoc 2 years ago
LOL FAG!~!!!
fugert 2 years ago
Obviously you're one of the 50% below average !
sydneydoc 2 years ago
First off, prior to your outright insult of other people's intelligence might I suggest you first learn the difference between percentiles and median before clearly identifying to which side of the bell curve you belong.
fiftysix01 2 years ago
In this instance there is no significant difference.
sydneydoc 2 years ago
Between median and mean that is ... which is what I assume you are talking about.
... and stating that half the population is below average intelligence is a fact not an "insult"... although you seem to fell insulted by it ...
sydneydoc 2 years ago
A seguir consumiendo petróleo que nuuuunca se acabará (irónico).
SusyQuattro 2 years ago
El cambio climatico proporciona al periodista un titular, al cientifico una excusa para recaudar fondos, y al político una causa para tapar sus otros errores. Que sea real o no, o que sea causa humana o no, parece que no tiene mayor importancia.
Grangulp 2 years ago
¿Cambio climático? ¿Calentamiento global?
Nos engañan como quieren. El deshielo Artico es un ciclo perfecto.
PcJPrograms 2 years ago
Bueno,yo vivo en España,tengo familia en Islandia y el glacial masgrande de Eiropa que conoci en los 70,perdió mas de un km y medio de area..Eso es un dato concreto y definitivo.
mexicanos1 2 years ago
Si igual que la mayoría del mundo.
Ahora bien, el perito moreno argentino también a retrocedido... Claro, se sabe que hace mil años era mucho mas grande, por la roca, pero Al Gore y sus amigos eso no lo cuentan...
LA TIERRA TIENE CICLOS!
197001 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
What's frustrating about this is that people will point to it and say, "See? There's no such thing as global warming."
Folks, there isn't any turkey thermometer with a button that pops out when it gets too hot. By the time the damage was obvious enough for everyone to admit, it would be too late to fix it.
If there really isn't any global warming, that would be wonderful news. But we still don't know for sure. Let's be on the guard against politics, complacency and wishful thinking.
ELuhn 2 years ago
Yes facts are frustrating things. Even worse than inconvenient. By all means, lets do everything we can to use GW to take away human liberty and choice (as the president of the Czech Republic who lived under the dogmas of Communism well knows and has warned us that BW is the new Marxism); degrade lifestyles, and even starve millions to death as we convert crops to biofuels. The Left already deprived the world of DDT over nothing and killed untold #s from malaria.
NCOMUSCLE 2 years ago 4
Please don't take this the wrong way, but when is the last time you had a CAT scan?
ELuhn 2 years ago
I dont have a cat. I own dogs... Just thought I'd bring the conversation down to yr level asshole.
NCOMUSCLE 2 years ago
You overshot a bit.
ELuhn 2 years ago
Not to mention that the Big oil company's kill people all the time that invent new ways of transportation & stifle new & innovative ideas. If there is a problem with global warming. Tax the assholes who caused the problem. The big oil company's have made trillions upon trillions of dollars for the past 100 years. Let them pay to fix the problem they created. ( That is.. if it's even a problem anyway ) But of course. If this was the issue.. they would claim that global warming was a mistake.
wingnut4427 2 years ago
What's frustrating to me is the fact that No one will acknowledge the fact that, All of these videos that you see of the Ice collapsing into the ocean & melting away are ( In day light !! ) witch means .. IT'S THE SUMMER TIME. When these videos are shot. When they can show me night time video of the poles cracking apart into the oceans .. Then I'll buy the lie.. But until then. It's nothing more than a scam.
wingnut4427 2 years ago
You guys. Stop with this Al Gore shit. Earth goes through climatic cycles all the time and this can be easily seen in the layers of the ice caps you all complain about. Yes, ice bodies are diminishing but this has happened in the past and will surely happen in the future.
197001 2 years ago 4
Si fuera así, estamos ante un fenómeno doblemente peligroso, por un lado TU cambio climático natural y por otro el incremento de los gases invernadero. Por cierto, la última edad de hielo fue hace 10.000 años y hasta que no se retiraron los hielos los seres humanos no salieron de las cavernas. ...
SusyQuattro 2 years ago
Y que? Hay muchas cosas que se pueden hacer para "salvarnos", el politiqueo y los vídeos progres no son mas que peliculitas que se monta la gente para creerse algo mas de lo que son.
197001 2 years ago
Por cierto el hombre de las cavernas no se cargaba el mundo. Ahora bien, el señor Gore se cree poder decirle al mundo de donde sacar la energia... Claro, estado unidos y todos los de la parra del calentamiento global viven en paises desarrollados a base de petroleo. Dile tu ahora a Nigeria que se monte unos bueno paneles solares dejandose la pasta que no tiene... Muy facil pedir que se dejen los combustible fosiles cuando nos an dejao la barriga llena... bonito ordenador por cierto....
197001 2 years ago
anyone can explain the blue circle in the center?
why is in all satellite images of poles?
thank you
buenrato 2 years ago
Do us all a favor and RTFD.
ELuhn 2 years ago
Basically: This isn't a polar orbit satellite. It's using a camera that isn't aimed straight down and compiling 'the picture' from several passes. It can't quite 'see' the actual pole due to curvature of the Earth and the odd angle.
shrikedecil 2 years ago
In Spain it´s cooler than others years, i think that global worming it´s only a bussiness.
solrak1945 2 years ago 2
That´s not true. I live in Spain and it´s rainned a lot, but not cooler. That´s different. And you must know that Climatology is different from Meteorology. Climate Change is real, and maybe it´ll be good for some countries if the cultivation move.
SusyQuattro 2 years ago
It is true. I'm also living in Spain, and it has been cooler than in the 90s, for example. Check temperature histograms
Didacgil9 2 years ago
Ya pero parte de vendernos la burra es decir que por el calentamiento global, también hace mas frío...
197001 2 years ago
"El calentamiento global" como suele llamarse producirá incremento de precipitaciones en algunas regiones y disminución en otras. El clima es un sistema caótico, basta con modificar significativamente una variable (el % de CO2 atmosférico) para que se modifique el clima, pero en sentido global, no hay que mirar los datos en un año, y en España, sino a lo largo de más años y hallar el PROMEDIO, un año es poco.
SusyQuattro 2 years ago
50 también cuando miramos la edad de la tierra.
Saludos Al Goristas, que los 80 mil dolares que cobra el colega por charlar se ve que merecen la pena!
197001 2 years ago
Al César lo que es del César. Al Gore es un político no un científico. Y son todos los científicos los que alertan sobre el cambio climático, el que un político quiera sacar tajada es otro tema que no se estaba discutiendo aquí.
SusyQuattro 2 years ago
Al palurdo que me ha puesto negativos en todos los comentarios que estudie Físicas como yo, y luego hablamos del cambio climático o de física cuántica.
SusyQuattro 2 years ago
yikes....visibly thinner ice in summer. : ( and remember this animation isn't even a hiccup in geologic time.
videochick770 2 years ago
Wait... What? Are you saying that this proves something, that the ice gets thinner at summer? Or am I missing some joke?
kanalje 2 years ago
he tries to say that ice is thinner in summer, wich is quite obvious. Also, he doesn't state the difference between the ice amount between current summer and 80's summer.
ignasivt 2 years ago
sea ice is getting thinner. that is the consistent reporting from ppl who study this.
videochick770 2 years ago
Kind of hypnotizing isn't it?
But c'mon man this is YouTube. You need some sort of irritating, semi-significant pop-ish melody playing in the background.
I suggest Ice Ice Baby. ;)
xempla 2 years ago 5
Beautiful work, perspective MUCH needed. Thank You.
zootybeano 2 years ago 2
Very, vey interesting. Thanks.
cubicspacedivision 2 years ago 2
The -PDO influence will keep 2009 melt from looking like 2007 melt in the South West?
acx1n9s 2 years ago