Art Monk - 1986 NFC Divisional Playoffs

[f3nik5]

This is awesome that you've posted this..Thank you so very much. As a wrestling fan i would be remiss to say, "Nevermind that shit here comes Mongo!"

[scaredscruff]

The 91 Redskins would destroy the 85 Bears. The Redskins oline was fantastic that year and it's widely known that if you pass protect against these Bears, their secondary was ripe for the picking. The Posse would have chewed up the Bears secondary. As for McMahon missing this game, I think that question was answered a year later when the Skins returned to Soldier Field and again beat the McMahon led Bears.

[sportshistorybuff]

I\ve heard several Bear players admit that after their dominating 1985 Super Bowl run, they became complacent, distracted. should have won at least another ring based on talent, but never had the same discipline again. Even as a Cowboys fan, I enjoyed these Skins victories over the Bears (1986 and 1987) because Chicago seemed like bullies. Half the team had their own TV show , endorsements, dissension between teammates. The same

swelled head syndrome which limited the 1999 Rams to one ring.

[SuperJM1980]

@sportshistorybuff you also have to blame coach ditka as well,he got too content and probably got too big headed himself thinking they would win more than one.

[donnpatc]

This Bear team might have been better than '85. The Skins in this game were only the third team to score two touchdowns against them.

[madrecka]

I'm a 49ers fan and I will say that Art Monk was a darn good WR for many years and I'm happy that he is in the Hall of Fame. He deserves it.

[jfliguy]

People please if you want to have a discussion about something please make sure that it has some kind of merrit. Don't just say shit to say it. Like your boy pablocoon

[cityhawk]

Even as a Giants fan, what I have always respected about Art Monk was his consistency. I thought it was shame that it took him so long to get into Canton. I've always had a lot of respect for him because not only he was a great WR, but a winner as well. Where would QBs like Rypien and Shroeder have been without an Art Monk?

[madrecka]

@cityhawk Don't forget Thiesmann and Williams as QBs that Monk had.

[jfliguy]

To anyone else on here who wants to respond to me, Art Monk should be up there with the best WR's inthe league, becuase of what he brought to the table. He isnot because of either he was not on JErry Rices Level, not that much Pro Bowl Notorities, and he was not flashy. He was workman like. I liked that about him. I like the Flashy WR's because they bring some flare to the game. They bring the I am the best to the game. Nothing is wrong with that. My opinion "pablocoon"... MY opinion bruh

[pretorious700]

The Skins were just better that year.

[TheReason77]

'86 Bears were a better DEFENSIVE team than the '85 edition but not as good offensively

[farouk414]

Art Monk was fuckin class

[JuJuBone]

the redskins pretty much shutdown any chance the Bears had at becoming a dynasty. nobody else could beat the bears but the skins.

[bigorange2082]

Art will always be one of my favorite Redskins!! He was the man and always will be! A great player and a class act all around!!

[magnumxlpi]

my moms license plate is monkfan X)

[plntntvzn]

1986 was the 3rd straight year no starting tandem had more catches than Redskins. Art Monk was physical enough to shake double team, freed up with with an economy of motion & had the upper body strength to ward off defenders. Although he rarely made the eye-opening circus catch, he was always in optimum receiving position. He was an athletic sure-handed receiver who was a big, strong former Syracuse running back could run with the ball after the catch. He was the man they looked to in the clutch

[larrydavid7000]

this is to trustnooneok. you bears of 85 were and still are ONE YEAR WONDERS. HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!!!

[TheGatorfan93]

I agree the bears were ONE YEAR WONDERS.But,in 86,i think they win it all as well,but mcmahon got hurt.Flutie was clueless in this game,and he cost them.The niners were not title ready until taylor helped rice,and brent jones emerged.They ended up being the dynasty,as the bears got older.

[plntntvzn]

Mcmahon got hurt on opening day and was not healthy all season. The Bears offensive line was better at run blocking than pass blocking. Regardless,both the Giants and the Redskins,after they won their first Super Bowls,had more than their share of QB injuries,and QB contoversies. that did not stop either the Giants or Redskins from proving their first Super Bowl victories were not flukes.

[Nick83Fairfax]

@TheGatorfan93 Would McMahon have been playing defense in this game against the Redskins? How about the following year when the Redskins went into Bears Stadium and beat them AGAIN in the Divisional Round?? I LOVE THAT THE REDSKINS MADE THE '85 BEARS ONE HIT WONDERS!!!!

[SB20Champions]

can u post the whole game

[DaveEk85]

Thanks for sharing! Great video.

[trustnooneok]

Live by the blitz and die by the blitz...hell what we were 32-3 in two years? The best of all times...just a missed assignment on this game and it is ours too...luckily McMahon was out or this game would have been alot different.. Oh well....Long live the 73-0 game against these guys.

[Nick83Fairfax]

God, I love that the Redskins made the '85 Bears a One Hit Wonder. Losses at home to the Redskins in the playoffs in '86 and '87ended the Bears hopes for an '80s dynasty

[trustnooneok]

The Bears of 85 are the greatest team of all time and will be remembered as such....who cares about 86...87.....Mike Tomzack was the quarterback for god sake those 2 years....what did you expect?

[Nick83Fairfax]

Hahahahahaha...3 Super Bowls to your puny 1. By the way, McMahon was the QB in '86 and '87. He was injured in the '86 game and Doug Flutie subbed. McMahon started in the '87 game. I LOVE THAT THE REDSKINS! ENDED THE '85 BEARS!!!!

[Nick83Fairfax]

One of the greatest plays in Redskins history was when some member of the National Defense knocked Walter Payton on his can and under the bench on the final carry of his career, just short of the first down. Too bad Bears. Just a one hit wonder hahahahaha

[scoresby33]

In reading some of your other comments here, you're a JACKASS!

[scoresby33]

McMahon not playing in the 86 game hurt the Bears. And it 87, McMahon returned after having been out several games. It was different when McMahon was healthy. The problem was it was difficult to keep him healthy.

[RedCeltYank1]

keep telling yourself that!hahaha! The '85 Bears would have never been if the Redskins and 49ers wouldn't have been decimated by injuries that season! The '91 Redskins would have killed the '85 Bears! No contest!

[ironworkerjeff]

@RedCeltYank1 Yeah,you keep thinking that;in 84 & 85,when the Bears ran Buddy Ryan's 46 D,they pounded the 'Skins.Don't even go there with the niners.We played them in 85 and they were heathly WITH WR Jerry Rice on the field !

[mylest100]

@ironworkerjeff Nobody feared rice until 86

[agmapleleaf93]

@RedCeltYank1

I don't think so !

[davidisraw]

@RedCeltYank1 lol the 85` bears d- would cream almost any offense

[blang84]

@RedCeltYank1 Didn't the 85 Bears beat the Skins by 35 points in the regular season... before Theisman went out??? Injuries my a@@. And if you want injuries then how about Jim Mcmahon missing this game. As far as a team matching up against the 85 Bears, definitely not the 91 Skins, maybe the 89 49ers or the 92 Cowboys.

[idster7]

wow the bears rushed 7 guys on that 2nd TD, and couldn't get to the QB. both times, they were beaten by blitzes. how come richardson didn't make the pro bowl if he was only beaten for 1 TD? on the 1st TD, BOTH bears' corners were beaten so badly so quickly.

[rwash1972]

That move Art Monk put him was ridiculous. Notice on his out move he turned his head back towards the line of scrimmage. That's how you sell the route.

[zaius316]

When the Skins had the All-Time team intros at the last game at RFK, no one had as loud an ovation as Art Monk. Three rings, three different QBs. Greatest Redskin ever, one of the greatest WRs ever.

[MrMorningside125]

I agree with you 100%. Him and Steve Largent were on of the best during the 80''s

[kronos2560]

And Jerry Rice too. DUH!! Hes the greatest receiver of all-time. Holds almost every receiving record to this day. And he has 4 rings with the 49ers.

[MrMorningside125]

I don't have to mention Rice. Of course he's the greatest. I said that Monk and Largent were ONE of the best during that time period

[scoresby33]

I'm a Bears fan and I fuckin couldn't stand our sorry ass secondary after Leslie Frasier's career ending injury in the superbowl. I fuckin hated Mike Richardson and especially Vestee Jackson. Somone should have shot those motherfuckers. Those guys fuckin blew 2 or 3 playoff games alone.

[FrsBigeasy]

Hey watch your fuckin language on YouTube buddy.

Just playin.

[FrsBigeasy]

The only WR that caught more passes then Art Monk in the 1980's was Jerry Rice & most of Monk's catches were in big games like this one.

[hank7216]

Is this the same game that darrell ran back the punt

[FrsBigeasy]

No Green did that a year later when the Redskins beat the Bears for the 2nd year in a row @ Soldier Field in the Divisional Playoffs.

[untexan]

2:40 - check out the size of the wrapping on Joe Jacoby's right arm as he's hugging Art Monk. It looks like a boxing glove covered in tape. I can't believe that was considered legal.

[MrHank3]

are you sure that isnt a cast? looks like one to me

[untexan]

Yeah, it's a cast. It's just a really, really, really, REALLY freakishly large cast.

[chuckmak1979]

Well consider that Joe Jacoby was a freakishly large man it's only fitting.

[wedge070]

Richardson was a terrible CB. Plus they blitzed way too much in this game.. Let the front 4 handle business.

[FrsBigeasy]

You can't just rush 4 against the Hogs. Theisman, Schroeder, Williams or Rypien would of consistently picked apart the Bears secondary.

[scoresby33]

That's because the scheme was different. The 46 defense was cutting edge and unpredictable. The Hogs couldn't block it. Nobody could because of two reasons. 1 = The Bears had the personnel. Their front 7 was the best in football. 2= Buddy Ryan's ingenious ability to confuse offenses. In 86 and 87 it wasn't that the hogs blocked the Bears. The front 4 got pressure in those games. Joe Gibbs called rollout plays taking advantage of the Bears secondary and new crappy zone blitz scheme under Tobin.

[FrsBigeasy]

Well I have the 1986 Redskins @ Bears Divisional Playoff Game on my Redskins Classic Playlist that I could send you that contradicts that. There's a TD pass from Schroeder to Monk where Schroeder takes a 3 step drop & lobs the ball to Monk in the End Zone.

[scoresby33]

I know which play you are talking about. I have that game on tape. Shroeder threw it up for grabs and Monk went to go get it. Shitty CB's Veste Jackson and Richardson got beat as usual. That play McMichael almost got there and if the CB's would have played honest, that play wouldn't have happened. Instead, they got smoked. Leslie Frasier was the best CB on the 85 bears. He had 18 INT's and 2 TD's from 1983-85. He sustained a career ending injury in the SB. He was our shutdown corner.

[drkthms1]

do you have this game un tape or dvd? i would like to buy it or trade with you.

[FrsBigeasy]

Na I wish I did. But if it comes on NFLN or something I'll get it though.

[FrsBigeasy]

I'll give you that the 46 Defense was cutting edge case close. That's basically what the Ravens & Titans run now the difference being that the Ravens have a great secondary as well. The Hogs not only could block the Bear 46 but they did with the help of the Double TE formation. The 86 & 87 playoff games are proof of that.

[JTWRZK]

Art Monk: Money. Cashing checks..wait... he just played the game. Unlike TO or Ocho Cinco or any of the other crybaby WR's that play today. He just sprinted down the field, went across the middle, caught the ball, took the hit, moved the chains and scored. But he also wasn't so selfish he couldn't block on running plays or act as a decoy to set up Gary Clark or Ricky Sanders. Those guys were very good, but Monk made em great.

[drkthms1]

GREAT COMMENT ABOUT MONK

[Nick83Fairfax]

On Monk's first touchdown both he and Gary Clark were wide open. Either one of them could have scored. God I love Art Monk and Gary Clark!!

[SB20Champions]

this bears team could've been way better than 85. if we had a qb. we went 14-2 and yet we went through about 4 qbs: mcmahon flutie tomczak fuller.... mcmahon came into camp 25 pounds over weight, flutie was still young, tomczak sucked, and fuller sucked. if we had a qb, we would've won 2 super bowls

[Pksoze]

You would have been whipped by the Giants in 86. They were a lot hungrier and crushed the Montana 49ers.

[bill1985]

I think you guys would've won more then 2 Super Bowls, the Bears in the 80's were dangerous.

[Nick83Fairfax]

The Bears in the 80s were dangerous. But the REDSKINS beat them in Chicago in the playoffs in back to back seasons!!!! Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

[bill1985]

They sure did, they sure did.  :)

[redmustang03]

Even if the Bears had won that game, there was no in hell could they have beaten the Giants. They just had a better defense that year and no one could of stopped LT with the type year he had in 1986. Still, the Bears would have had Flutie and they would have made the Bears one dimensional by stuffing Payton and making the rookie Flutie throw the ball all the time.

[scoresby33]

I don't see that the Bears wouldn't have had a chance in hell to beat the Giants. The Bears shutout the Giants in 85 and beat them handedly in the season opener in 1987 with Tomczak starting. In many cases, football is about matchups. The Bears matched up well against the Giants. They were both similar teams with similar styles. The Bears had trouble with passing teams like the Redskins and 49ers because of their innovative scemes. The Redskins were balanced in the early 80's, but changed.

[cbaldwinjr]

Seriously...it's all about matchups. That Bears defense was actually better by the numbers in '86. But they had DOUG FLUTIE playing in that playoff game against Washington. The Redskins had Monk and Clark...they could make a few plays. It's how it goes. But to call the Bears a one-year wonder is a little off considering they made the playoffs being an offense in transition from '86-'88. The Giants, Redskins, Bears, and of course, the 49ers were just FABULOUS teams! Can't win it all each year!

[canson81]

art monk IS the true GOAT!!!

[pablocoon]

Dear lord I miss recievers who don't do a gay dance after they score in order to say "yah look at me." Art Monk was a class act and the best possesion reciever to ever play football.

[drkthms1]

i agree

[Tothe2012]

Art Monk, Walter Payton

Real football players > T.O. , Ochocinco, Braylon Edwards, etc.

[jfliguy]

@pablocoon Bruh Dancing WR's are not about look at me. Some can just be celebrations. You let the media dictate that.

[pablocoon]

@jfliguy bullshit, acting like you just had a baby every time you do your job on the field is what players with no class do. Fuck that, you root for those children, I will root for players like Monk who played the game like a man.

[jfliguy]

@pablocoon You getting pissy about someone elses opinion about the game is really fucked up. To each his own bruh. I like Art Monk. Art Monk is the most underrated WR to play the game. No love or respect was ever given to him. He gets very little love from peopel in the sports world unless you really follow the game. I like the look at me player because they bring something to the game, but Art Monk Jerry Lee Rice, Andre Reed, and Sterling Sharpe played it right. So calm your nerves.

[pablocoon]

@jfliguy Do you hear/read your self? Why was Monk so underrated and less celebrated? because he put team first, he put wins first. When he scored a touchdown, he behaved like he had done his job, like he had been there before and intended to be there again. Fuck "to each his own," to each his own has turned this world into a shit hole. You go on rooting for puerile little glory hogs like Ochocinco and T.O. who make broadway productions out of scoring and then lose the game. i will support class.

[jfliguy]

@pablocoon You are really trying to win an argument when it is really not one. Art Monk is underated because he is never talked about the greatest WR's in the league. That is real. Your comeback is really going wiht me, because as I said ass clown I like Art Monk. I feel your point about the "Look at me" WR's is really dumb. Again your opinion, about the matter. I think different though. Art Monk is outstanding and it took him way to long to get in the HOF, but your too much of an idiot.

[pablocoon]

@jfliguy Ass clown? haha oooooooh. You really nailed me there. Who gives a shit who you like, you could hate Art Monk for all i care, your still one of those sports fans who supports retarded end zone dances for ego not team and players who distract their team (Ochocinco and T.O) on and off the field from the mission at hand" winning the game, winning a championship. YOU ARE WHAT IS WRONG with sports today, becuase whenever those jack asses behaves like a that you shout "HURRAY." Classless.

[jfliguy]

@pablocoon Again your opinion if they are classless. Thats on you. As I said it does not matter if you do or do not like them. I give up trying to have this discussion with you. I see your the type that want to argue even if there is not a discussion to have. I mean bruh, I agreed with you about ARt Monk and you shot at me like I called him the worse WR in the history of the NFL. We will see different about WR's like TO and Chad. Your argument has no merit. They get the job done. Who cares?

[pablocoon]

@jfliguy They get the job done? really? Has either one won a super bowl? Nope. Art Monk won 3. He did it without bragging, without dancing like an idiot, without becoming a distraction to his team. Players who make themselves the central figure of the game are a cancer to sports, they bring guns into locker rooms, they end up in night clubs where shootings occur, they get charged with rape, they put themselves in compromising positions and waste their god given talent on promoting themselves.

[jfliguy]

@pablocoon What are you talking about? You are really trying hard to win an argument. You make no sense. This was about the "Me First" players, and you are talking about players that commit crimes. Chad, TO, or even KEyshawn Johnson have never had trouble wiht the law. I have never even heard about them getting a speeding ticket. So right now you really fucked up right there. Why are you bringing Art Monk into this again when he should not be involved.

[jfliguy]

@pablocoon So from what I am getting from you is that because you dance that means that you are me first and do not care about winning a game. That means that Micahel Irvin (The ultimate Teammate) Billy White Shoes Johnson, and Icky Woods are also me first. PLEASE!!!! Yes you let the media dictate your opinion about these players. Like I said if you do not like them dancing then don't let them score. Point blank. Your come back has no merit, and I am done wiht you

[pablocoon]

@jfliguy Micheal Irvin is a piece of shit, charged with rape, caught smoking crack etc, etc. Billy white shoes Johnson never did shit, and never even played in a super bowl. Ickey Woods had one good season and then became a joke. That's the best you can do? Dude, you are a ridiculous hand job who likes rooting on idiotic, childish behavior, end of story.

[jfliguy]

@pablocoon But you called the dancing players me first players, but yet those were team players. Again you have no merrit. Your tryingt o hard. Like I said quit talking to me cause your argument has no damn substance. Your just saying shit just to say it

[pablocoon]

@jfliguy They are me first players, plain and simple. Either way they were losers, except for Irvin whose end zone exploits pale in comparison to Owens and Chad Johnson. You know what? Keep on rooting for them, teach your children to behave like that when they score too. Teach them to be ridiculous braggarts and arrogant clowns. Tell them to star on revolting reality tv shows and enthrone themselves above the team. Go for it Skippy. Art Monk will still be better than them all where it counts.

[jfliguy]

@pablocoon Why are you responding to me? You make no damn sense. Look you ropinion about these players are so cloudy it is pitiful. Go and try and argue someone who does not know football. You make no sense

[jfliguy]

@pablocoon Bruh, I really do not care what you think about TO, Chad, Brandon MArshall, or even Earnest Givens. They danced because they got inthe end zone. IF you do not like their celebrations, tell the D they are going up against to stop them from scoring. They will never have to dance again if that happens. If not then deal with it. They are going to dance weather you like it or not. They bring something to the table, but you let ESPN dictate what you think about this subject.

[pablocoon]

@jfliguy No they dance because they are idiots who never grew up. And I don't even watch espn.I was raised to comport myself with humility and class, not galavant around like i am the shit every time I do something good. I know they will dance whether I like it or not, so thank you captain obvious.That doesn't mean I am going to root for them, I am going to root for the guys who play to win, who put team first, city second, self respect third and self tenth.Like Art Monk and Barry Sanders did.

[Rooblakas]

I hope current Redskins receivers Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas quickly develop and use their height to their own advantage in order to catch the ball like Art Monk did in the 80s and early 90s.

[Canuck204]

Super Bowl Winners from 80 to 90: 80: Raiders 81: 49ers 82: Redskins 83: Raiders 84: 49ers 85: Bears 86: Giants 87: Redskins 88: 49ers 89: 49ers 90: Giants The Redskins figured them this game and next year in 87. The 49ers practically EMBARRASSED the Bears in the 88 NFC Championship game, only allowing the Bears with a piss poor 3 points, Montana to Rice killing their secondary and the 49ers defense stopping the offense, or lack their of.

[Spr463]

Let's understand this about the Washington Redskins at this time. They had faced the Bears the previous two seasons. They met in the 1984 NFC Divisional Playoff Game in D.C., won by the Bears and then the following year in Chicago, also won by the Bears en route to their 15-1 Super Bowl Shuffle season.

But both those games featured the Bears defensive domination.

Joe Gibbs was a smart coach, and by then, the third time being the charm. He figured out a way to beat the Bears. Plan and simple.

[wizeman5974]

I didn't think of it that way, but you're right. By this game, Joe and his staff had devised a great game plan to stymie the Bears defense. (Bill) Walsh and the 49ers had done the same thing to the Bears in '87 (Reg Season) and '88 (NFC Championship Game). To me, the Redskins biggest nemesis at this time was the Giants.

[StraightOuttaDC]

Concurrage.

[wizeman5974]

I wished the Bears had beaten the Redskins to set-up a rematch of the Bears-Giants in the NFC Championship in 1986 (after the Bears had beaten the Giants in the '85 playoffs).

[StraightOuttaDC]

Perhaps the '80s Bears were a group of underachievers, but it's not surprising with them relying on their defense every year, because it gets old and exposed, this game being proof.

[StraightOuttaDC]

But I feel that when comparing the two, you gotta compare the coaching staff; Gibbs was a proven winner, and had (as of this game) two NFC Championships, a ring, and an NFL Record (most points scored...second best team in NFL history with the '83 Campaign) to show for it. Now Mike Ditka, for as good as he was, relied on his defense with Ryan.

I'm not saying that the Bears WEREN'T good; indeed they were. But to say that they were better than the '80s Washington Redskins is damn near blasphemous.

[StraightOuttaDC]

Comparing the Redskins and Bears of the '80's is irrelevant; Washington was more successful. After reading the comments, one cannot deny, no matter how big of a fan or how good the team was, that Chicago was largely a by-product of its defense. Sweetness was the man, but a runningback alone can only carry a team so far with decent-at-best WRs. Proof of this is found in the near offensive collapse after Gault (who was good) left.

[amotisi8859]

1986 bears one of the most disapointing teams of all time

[tennysonfootball]

The best route runner in NFL history.

[drkthms1]

you maybe right. cris carter said he tried to pattern his route running after art monk's.

[sejb12992]

I know, I don't know why I used past tense.

[Canuck204]

Between 1982 and 1991, the Washington Redskins went to the Super Bowl 4 times, winning 3 of them. The only thing that changed on those teams were the quarterbacks, everything else was basically the same with some changes. Joe Theismann, Doug Williams and Mark Rypien all won rings with em.

[meast21rip]

the redskins were todays patriots without a quarterback

[mixtremesvig]

jay got very lucky on that 1st td pass. sometimes thats all you need

[baheat86]

Art Monk killed the bears in this game. They couldn't stop him.

[zlahc]

I know this one thing, todays Redskins need to view some of these old videos. They can learn a lot from them!

[scoresby33]

Dude - McMahon was 70-33 as a starter, including the playoffs. He has one of the top winning percentages by a QB in NFL history. From 84-88 he was 36-4 as a starter.He lost 1 game as a starter from 85-87 (3 seasons). The one game he lost was at the AFC Champion Broncos 29-31, where McMahon threw for over 300 yards and 3 TD's and ran for 1 TD. It was a shootout with Elway. McMahon was 8-3 as a starter in 9-3 as s starter with Phi and 8-4 as a starter with Min. The guy knew how to win,.

[mixtremesvig]

his cockyness and arrogance was a good booster for his teams excluding the chargers

ashamed that he was injury prone. chicago would have had 2 or even 3 rings in the 80s

coulda woulda shoulda

[TheN01skinsfan]

By the way, on your 86 comments again. Lets look at this: The overall division record for the NFC East in 1986: 42-36, NFC Central: 34-46, and dig this: NFC West: 34- 28!!! They won as many games as your division and they had 1 less team!!!!!!!! Dude your record and stats were pumped up by playing scrubs like Green Bay, Detroit, and Tampa Bay and in large part, Minn.

[scoresby33]

The difference was that the Bears were underachievers in the playoffs,while the Redskins maximized their talent and had better coaching schemes, and performed well in the playoffs. I give them credit.

[scoresby33]

The Bears had the top defense in the NFL in 84,85,86,and 88 in total yards and points allowed. In 87, they were 4th and 2nd. The league hasn't seen such dominance statistically. You said the 85 Bears were like the 00 Ravens on offense. In 85, they were 2nd in scoring and 7th in total offense. Hardly, like the 00 Ravens. And that was with musical chairs at QB.

[TheN01skinsfan]

The following are Minnesota's records in the 80's: 1981: 7-9, 82: 5-4, 83: 8-8, 84: 3-13, 85: 7-9, 86: 9-7, 87: 8-7, 88: 11-5,

89: 10-6 = 68 - 68 an exactly .500 record. HARDLY imposing during the decade and during the "vital" years we have been talking about: 84 - 87, they were 22- 37. HARDLY imposing!!!! EVERYBODY who was into Pro Football back then knew that the NFC East RULED pro football with an IRON FIST during the 80's, followed in the great distance by the NFC West, and the Central

[scoresby33]

Everybody who knows the NFL back then,knows that the NFC east was 2 teams at this particular time.The Cowboys run had ended and they were mediocre to bad.The Eagles became good around 88.The Cardinals were a laugh.The 49ers were dominant and the Rams were what the Vikings were. The Rams were decent and went to the playoffs in 84,85,86,88,89.The Vikings had winning records in 86,87,88, 89, including beating the 13-2 49ers in 87Also,they were coming off some great years in the 70's and early 80's.

[donnpatc]

@scoresby33 Well, the Cards weren't a total laugh. The Skins won their third straight Eastern championship (the year they lost to Chicago in RFK, Gibbs's only home playoff loss) by beating...the Cardinals, who would have clinched the title by winning in DC (a very close game, only decided when Cards kicker Neil O'Donoghue missed a last-play FG that would have won it). I think they also made the playoffs in '82. Neil Lomax was a dangerous QB. But the Skins and Jints, no, they weren't.

[scoresby33]

The Bears of the 80's were the biggest group of underachievers. If the Bears would of had a healthy Jim McMahon, they would have won this game. Never the less, the Bears should have been a dynasty, but Vince Tobin's zone blitz defense was crap. All that talent went to waste.

[TheN01skinsfan]

Sorry Scoresby33, but there is NO WAY you guys would have won this game. The only thing that kept the Skins from the Super bowl was the Giants. The Skins lost to Denver in 86 on a qb sneak from 10 yards out late in the game to Denver 31-30. To the Giants twice (close) in the regular season and to the team that ALWAYS plays them tough...the team that makes up along with the skins, the toughest rivalry in football, the Dallas Convicts. We were the better team, REALLY!

[scoresby33]

Sorry Skins fan, but 9 out of 10 times with a healthy Jim McMahon and Buddy Ryan the Bears would have won this game. The Bears lost by 2 points in Denver that year on a fluke play. Payton uncharacteristically fumbled in the 2nd half deep in Redskin territory. Doug Flutie started the game at QB bcause of injuries. It was Flutie's 2nd NFL start. Remember the 2 previous years the Bears won at Washington in the 84 playoffs and slaughtered them at home in 85 by a score of 45-10. `

[TheN01skinsfan]

IMHO, of ALL of the QB's that ever won a SB, McMahon was the MOST overrated. That 85 bears team was EXACTLY like the 2000 Raisins. All defense mediocre O. The Raisins had a very good RB in Jamal Lewis, Y'all had Sweetness. Other than that your team and the Raisins were EXACTLY the same. Even in the coaching Your team had a coach that had been offensive oriented who wasn't that great, Ditka. The Raisins had Billick. You have NO IDEA just how good the 86 Skins really were.

[scoresby33]

The Redskins beating the Bears was a monumental upset.The Bears were complacent and cocky.They had won the previous year so easily that they lost focus.Also, you mention the Giants.The Bears shutout the Giants in the 85 playoffs and opened up the 87 regular season by outplaying the defending champion Giants at home 35-19. In 1987, the Redkins also beat the Bears at home in the playoffs 21-17. The Bears had that game in hand before a lucky punt return by Darrell Green.

[scoresby33]

Like I said, As a Bears fan I am disappointed bcause they underachieved in the 80's. They could have been a dynasty. They were the youngest team in the NFL in 85 and no team dominated in that fashion. The Bears were 14-2 in 86, 11-4 in the strike year, and 12-4 in 88 with homefield advantage. Ego, Quarterback injuries, and the loss of Buddy Ryan contributed to their losses. I respect Joe Gibbs and the Redskins, but to say that there was no way the Bears would have won is ridiculous!

[TheN01skinsfan]

In 1985, we were losing to you guys 10-7 when our punter tore a thigh muscle and Theismann kicked the one yard punt. It changed the game. You won in 85, it was your year. The Giants won in 86 it was THEIR year and the second best team in that division was the second best team in the NFC. The Washington Redskins at 12-4. Here is the way you are NOT looking at it. We had Jay scrubby Schroeder as our QB that day He started the last 5 games of 85 and 16 games in 86. That's a little more than Flutie

[scoresby33]

Joe Gibbs says to this day and even in his books that this was the biggest upset of his coaching career.I am aware that the Redskins was12 games.The NFC Central was slighly weaker than the East, but not by much. The Vikings were a force for many years. The Eagles, Cardinals, and Cowboys all sucked by this time. We are not talking about 1980 or 1993, we are talking about 1986.The Giants and Redskins were good competition, but they weren't superior to the Bears.You are being biased,not objective.

[scoresby33]

Jay Shroeder was in a better offensive system and was a probowler in 86. That might have been a fluke, but then we can say the same of Doug Williams. He was very overrated. He had a great offensive line and did Okay at Tampa, but was not as good as given credit for.That showed following seasons after 87, Jim McMahon was not overrated. He could read defenses well and had great leadership skills. Unfortunately, He had major injuries.He was never the same after the Charles Martin cheapshot.

[scoresby33]

How good were the 80's Bears talentwise.Let's look at 88.They were 12-4and lost to the 49ers in the NFC Championship.They got there after losing WIlber Marshall and Willie Gault to freeagency.Losing Walter Payton and Gary Fencik to retirement.Losing Ricard Dent, William Perry,Otis Wilson, Jim McMahon,and Dennis McKinnon. Not to mention, that the Bears D never played up to potential after Buddy Ryan left.Like said,the Bears had the most talent,but choked in the playoffs.Ditka got outcoached also.

[TheN01skinsfan]

Dude, c'mon get real. Doug Williams took his TB team to the NFC Championship game in 79. Then, 8 years later with torn up knees won a SB with the Skins. Two different systems same sort of winning results. Meanwhile, McMahon, 6 years after winning the bowl in 85, was in Philly on a playoff team in 1991. He started in week 5 against Washington and got shutout 23-0. Could NOT duplicate his success! Was carried by sweetness and a great D

[scoresby33]

Dude, McMahon's injuries were much worse than Williams.Doug Williams gets alot of credit for his superbowl victory.He was at the right place at the right time.He had some talent, but never even made a probowl.Tampa was 10 - 6 and went to the NFC Championship bcause of their defense.They got shut out 9-0 by the Rams bcause Williams couldn't produce offensively.I give Mark Rypien much more credit than Williams.McMahon won a super bowl,went to a probowl,and led the Vikings to the playoffs in 93.

[dre4eva]

Actually Doug Williams got hurt in that NFC Championship game with TB and the Rams outlasted the Bucs because Williams couldn't return. He singlehandedly carried the bucs to the playoffs 79' and 81'

[TheN01skinsfan]

Now, while the Bears were a slight favorite, everyone knew the Skins were good and had NO reason to fear Chicago. Chicago was NOT battletested in 1986, you came from a weak division. Your 14-2 was a fraud. Meanwhile, we came from a division that sent the 1980, 82, 83, 86, 87, NFC SB representative team. As for 1984, you may recall that that year, the Redskins set an NFL record for most starters (projected at the beginning of the season) on IR. Yet still won our vicious division.

[donnpatc]

@TheN01skinsfan I'm chiming in a bit late here, I know. But both Skins wins over the Bears were upsets of considerable magnitude. I watched both of them. I don't think any games they played - even the '82 NFC championship scalping of the Cowboys - made me happier, and none better showed - nor better tested - the mettle of the Skins than those two games. They were difficult-to-handicap unknown quantities both seasons. Although undeniably good, no one knew what to expect in the playoffs.

[Daftandsuch]

The Bears of the 80s were like the Mets of the 80s...Great teams throughout but just the one championship to show for it

[sejb12992]

Art Monk had an awesome name.

[Cimondi51]

Bears would have run this damn game if we didnt have the little midget at qb. Losing McMahon because of that dirty hit on him by green bay cost us back to back titles.

[silverandblackman1]

do u have the rest of this game? can u post it?

[jahtez]

How do you define 6 guys coming after the QB, with one more spying for the delayed blitz as "bend but don't break"?

[madrecka]

The Redskins exposed the "46" defense this day in Chicago. Washington won 27-14 in this NFC Divisonal Playoff game in January '87.

The Redskins would lose to the Giants the next week for the 3rd time in '86 in the NFC Championship game 17-0 as the Giants advanced to the Super Bowl.

[zxcv444453]

The Bears didn't run the 46 defense in 1986.

This was Vince Tobin's "bend but don't break" defense. It had the record for fewest points in a season against a creampuff schedule.

[madrecka]

Well yes Ryan was in his 1st yr as Eagles coach in '86 but they had the same players on defense and they were outplayed in '86 playoffs by the Redskins; '87 playoffs by the Redskins; and in the '88 NFC Title game by the eventual Super Bowl Champs S.F. 49ers 28-3 all in Chicago.

The Bears just had one yr in '85 where they were dominant.

The '80s belong to the 49ers(4 Super Bowl Titles) the Team of the Decade!

[redmustang03]

I may be Cowboy fan, but I respect Darrell Green and Art Monk because they were selfless players. They were such a beacon of sportsmanship and great play they deserved and Art Monk should have been there a long time ago.

[eirefrance]

As a Skins fan, I know that means a lot from a Cowboys fan.

[killaroc]

i remember pretending to be art monk when i played ball as a kid. W2g art and darrell. props to the bears defense too. they're nasty

[dong604]

the bears were super bowl champs at this time and were 14-2 in 1986. this was definately an upset. i think the bears set the record for least points allowed by a defense in a season this year too. very impressive win for the skins beating them in chicago.

[chuckmak1979]

Mind you the 'Skins went 12-4 that year too...they weren't any slouches.

[ericcollins81]

this was the same team who lost to the future sb champs ny giants 17-0. that lost in my opinion was the reason they won in 87

[johnboy779]

Yeah, but the Bears also had the most cream puff schedule ever that year--I saw them play a crappy Steeler team in Soldier Field and they barely won in OT. The Bears were not nearly as dominant that year as they were in '85.

[hailhokies]

this mustve been a huge upset, wish i could of seen it

[krunkghost]

i know that jerry rice is the greatest wide reciever(with the assistace of two hall of fame quaterbacks"joe montana"and"steve young") but i think that other great wide recievers talents, including Art Monk, have been overshadowed.Art Monk did not have great hall of fame quarterbacks, but Art was still one of the greats using his "catch and clutch" talent.

[aquarianbabe]

I agree. I'm a hardcore Skins fan. A receiver is only as good as his QB, but everything relates. If the QB has no protection, he can't make the pass and therefore the WR is mediocre. Honestly, it's the lines that make or break a team. I see the same in Rex G. He's a good QB when he has protection. He's not the fuck-up people make him out to be.