Sometimes i'm trying to be in your place and think why you all hate so much our Greece , well if i were not Greek i was also be jealous about it and i would want some pieces of her history.
@1337yalla The Greek civilization was around first smart a*s. We had indoor plumbing while you vlakes were winging off trees. All you Slavs and Albanians are wanna be's and never will be's
@1337yalla The Greek Civilization was around first, hence the dances are ours since back way before Christ. If you are so confident in your little Albanian mind, why do you have to yell. By the way Greece is number one in nationalism in the whole world.
@1337yalla 9es xristopanagia re malaka pousti alvane tetragonokefale karagkiozi?trava ma8e tn istoria sou pou einai kai PARAAA polu megali....EEE MALAKA ALBANE!!!
@agon1984 nice one but its a different rythm and the dancers dances like a ballet dancer...its nice but if this is your tsamiko then we all talk for different dances...and i'm the one dancing on this video...tsamiko...not something like tsamiko..cu again...
re paidia epeidi eilikrina me exei kourasei auti i sizitisi...afou einai alvanikos xoros as sikothei kapoio video me kapoion apo ekei na to xoreuei kalitera..na to noiothei kalitera i oti allo thelei...mexri tora osous exo dei na xoreyoun einai kati methismenoi pou den kseroun pou patane kai pou vriskontai..ego mayta megalosa apo tous papoudes mou..ta ezisa ta ponesa..kai to xorio mou einai arketa xiliometra apo ta sinora tis alvanias..an sas anikei loipon xorefte to etsi i kalitera..telos!!!
A geia soy re dobralez auto lew kai egw.Exontas dei arketous xorous touw 1)I mousikh toys einai diaforetiki(pio aneuri sigoura) 2)xoreyoun diaforetika(san ksestratismena gidia xoropidane xwris ixnos tis leventias kai ormis poy diakrinei to tsamiko mas).Kai eipame to tsamiko vgenei apo tin tsamouria kai oxi apo tous tsamides.Den itan oloi oi katoikoi tis tsamourias tourkotsamides
Read Hobbhouse:Travels in Albania and other provinces of Turkey in 1809 & 1810
p60
"The Christians of Ioannina, though inhabiting a part of Albania and governed by Albanian masters, CALL THEMSELVES GREEKS AS DO THE INHABITANTS OF ARTA, PREVESA, AND EVEN MANY OF OF THE VILLAGES HIGHER UP IN THE COUNTRY. THEY NEITHER WEAR THE ALBANIAN DRESS NOR SPEAK THE ALBANIAN LANGUAGE, AND THEY PARTAKE IN EVERY PARTICULAR CUSTOM OF THE GREEKS IN MOREA AND ROUMELY"
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"On the feast of Pentecost for generation after generation, the people of Messoiuso, their eyes filled with tears, would climb the hill known as Bringa, face the East, and sing in fervent tones: 'Beautiful Morea, whom I have not set eyes on since the moment I left you.There live my father, my lord, and my esteemed mother; there my grandfather and my brother dwell. Beautiful Morea, whom since I left I have never seen again.' And they sang in Albanian."
"To me and the whole world"?I suggest you talk for yourself and leave "the whole world" out of it.The "whole world" doesnt share your inferiority complex and envy towards the Greek nation.
@gkioniskk Hahahaha, you are funny... Envy?? Envy the Greeks?? Hello, how can someone for God's sake envy you, when you are proven to be the biggest losers in the history of humanity? The only thing you are good at is stealing and being gay :)) It's proven :P
You claim us to be loosers but everytime we faced your nation of naive peasants we pwned you!!! I could be a little more outspoken on how we ve kicked your asses,but I dont want to insult Bulgarian people who were your compatriots back then.Do not embarrass yourself anymore mistress of jealousy!!!And dont leave any more pathetic comments on a vid of a dance that is older than your nation itself.
When have you ever seen an orthodox turk you idiot?? The people that came from Pontus in 1922 were GREEKS. They Spoke Greek and they were orthodox. Stop your propaganda.
Theiko to video! Katse omos giati ta mpleksame! O Panagiotellis einai apo Kerasovo, perioxi Thesprotikou. Ego apo ta Giannena exo katagogi. Esy apo pou eisai?
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"The object they [the Greeks] have in view is the hellenization of Albania. The whole of the southern portion carries its commerce through Janina, and the inhabitants regard this town as their capital. They fraternize easily with the Greeks..."
"As yet, their aspirations to form a distinct nationality are thought to be weak and ill-defined, so that the Greeks hope with the possession of Janina to amalgamate the two races and gain over to the cause of hellenism the finest and most warlike race in South-Eastern Europe."
Α, ρε Ελλάδα! Αθάνατη... Ακούς τον ήχο και τρελαίνεσαι...! Και το τσάμικο που χορεύει αυτός ο ΛΕΒΈΝΤΗΣ ΈΛΛΗΝΑΣ από το χωριό μας, το Κεράσοβο, είναι άπαιχτο...
Stop your youtube propaganda. They do it good because it is Greek.. The dance and the word Tsamiko is Greek coming from thyamis (thyamides-tsamides)..the albanian tsamides adoped the name "tsamides" from the greeks living in that region of greece when they were brought to Greece by the Turks.
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Do you know what Tsami (τζαμί) means in greek?
Tsamides got their name because they were muslims. Tsami (τζαμί) means mosque in greek, and those who worshipped in the mosque (τζαμί) were called Tsamides.
Tsamiko is the dance of the muslim albanians and some muslim greeks (wich were later on adopted by the christian greeks who converted back to christianity).
You must be kidding.. during the ottoman occupation of Greece hundreds of thousands of muslims were living all over Greece, why were they not called Tsamides also?? The word tsamides is Greek originating from the river thyamis and the people living around the river were referred to as (thyamides-tsamides).. You should note that tsamides denoted christian Greeks living in the area of thesprotia.. Turk/albanians (tourakalvanoi) living in this region adopted this name in later years..
1. Revisionist is what I called your friend below and all Albanians bombarding greek youtube videos in an attempt to falsify history and create a new identity in the post Hodja era.
2, You have failed to answer my question put to you in my last post. Why?
3, albanians fighting in Greece were refered to as turkalbanians until 1840'S.
4. Greeks have reverted to original ancient greek name - thesprotia. As for the Albanians their motive is political..and relates to a greater Albania..
@louka1111 ... Giassou Arvaniti!!! the true courageous warriors that completed the independence from the Turks begun by Ali Pasha... as usual, the greatest stories of courage in "greece" are from Albanians... maybe the Arvanites will save you again from moral and fiscal bankruptcy! but for now, you will apparently be saved by the generosity of the Germans, the irony of the Turks and the surprise appearance of the Chinese!!! ha ha... lol...
@louka1111 Starting from this Hellenistic period, especially from the invasion of Greece by the Romans, the center of Hellenism was not Athens or other cities of Greece, but Asia Minor and Egypt. This regime scattered Helena people and it brought the depopulation and impoverishment of Hellada, which described by Plutarku during his era as a place almost deserted, and was the cause of the formation of the new great Greece .....ROBERT D ANGELY.
When King Otto of Greece came in Greece in 1830, he hardly heard anyone speak Greek and so he asked "Where are the Greeks in Athens?" His court looked at each other and answered: "There are no Greeks, but do not be troubled because this Albanian population will always be faithful to your monarchy."
You cannot keep yourself from speaking bullshit, asshole, don't you?
Ardian Vebiu
famous Albanian historian writes:
My personal opinion is that the issue of Albanians descending or not from Illyrians doesn't deserve the interest it has traditionally aroused. There is absolutely NO Illyrian cultural legacy among Albanians today. In a certain sense, Illyrians (with their less fortunate fellows, the Pelasgians) are a pure creation of Albanian romanticism.
that guy again?! ha ha... sorry dude, that is a guy who suffered a lot under hoxha and he came out of it with a hatred of everything albanian. he was used by milosevic (your best friend in the balkans) to justify oppression of albanians in kosovo as well.
you will really have to do more research before you can throw quotes out there that actually have any meaning.
Balcancoolhead your claim in regard to Zervas and Yd Vashem is a lie. Yd Vashem does not state that Greece "turned over" any Jews. You have made this up! just like everything else you post in regard to Albania and Tsamiko. But what can one expect from someone who cut and pastes the same post on all Tsamiko videos! hoping, just like his master, the Nazi propagandist Goebbles, that "if you repeat a lie a thousand time it becomes a truth". You are exposed as nothing but an Albanian fascist & liar.
Balkancoolhead, I see you admit that the word tsamis/tsamiko is Greek.which Albanians have borrowed. The same applies with tsamiko as a dance. As for the Nazi claim it is well documented that the tsamides fought with the Nazis in WW2 which explains why they left together with the Germans at the end of the war.
Tsam Albanians do dance this who settled in Thesprotia back in the 1700's this is true, but this dance resembles many other Greek dances on the mainland. It is entirely common....
And what about the dance " Soulieman Aga " which is popular in and around Edessa? According to Balkancoolhead's logic , that must be a Turkish dance. Even though Edessa was mainly a Greek city with Bulgarian villages sorrounding it....
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Voden is MACEDONIAN city whit macedonian villages surrounding it ...... there is macedonian population and orthodox turks who came after 1922............... nothing greek there , exept greek occupation on this land ..
Read Travels to Northern Greece by William Leake Vol III 1835 pg 272
"There cannot be a doubt that this is the site of Aegae or Edessa, the capital of ancient Maceonia"
Vodena so called from the BULGARIAN VODA WITH GREEK TERMINATION.."
page 273
"Numerous ruins of churches on the skirts of Vodena show it's former importance under the GREEK empire. At present it contains 1500 Turkish and 500 GREEK houses, but many of the Turkish houses are let to Greek"
"The earliest known dedications to ZEUS Hypsistos are found in Edessa" Macedonians named many other cities in Asia Edessa
The Oriental Herald and Journal of General Literature VXII 1827
"This capital of the country bvetween the Euphrates and the Tigris tha Padan Aram, and Aram Nahraim of the Hebrews the Mesopotamia of the Greeks received from it's Macedonian conquerers the name Edessa"
Balkancoolhead stop your propoganda. Ethnic identity and culture cannot be created or forced especially by you and your friends bombarding youtube. Tsamiko is a Greek dance stemming from Ancient Greece. The fact that you may have a similar dance is not suprising as it is a direct result of the effect Greek culture has had in the region. The word Tsamiko is Greek denoting people from the region of Thyamis (Tsiamis) a region that the Albanian nazi lovers occupied in Greece and adopted its name.
louka! it is now an established fact that Napoleon Zervas was a Nazi Collaborator. the documents from the Nazi archive are now public, go and search for them yourself.
you are correct about the origin of the word Tsamiko, and ONLY the Albanians use the term Tsameria for the region, obviously a much older and meaningful place name, as compared with Epirus which just means continent, and is a strange name for a small region.
as for your Nazi comment, Albania is not considered to be a Nazi collaborator nation, like Croatia for example. we were occupied.
remember another thing, no Jewish family in Albania was given up to the Nazis. unlike "greece" which turned over 94% to die in gas chambers (according to Yad Vashem).
shame on you for distorting our history and allowing such an perverted contortion of hellenism with monotheism and hyper nationalism. you are as far away from the ancient values as possible. shame.
giassou arvanita! thank you albania for all you have done for the modern state of greece. we have disrespected you and your brothers & sisters, the arvanites. we have used our church to separate you and to create in the arvanites an inferiority complex and the need to prove their greekness.
no longer. we are ready to embrace the complex cultural roots of our modern nation and extend a hand of love to all albanians and your beautiful culture so full of rich dance, costume and courage.
Wish I knew his name as well. He's certainly the best I've ever seen that's for sure. Also, I've never seen him on this show before either, so perhaps it was a one-time good thing. Enjoy.
I ask Greeks and Albanians to stop the war or words. This music is Balkan. Greeks love it. Albanians do too. It is for all of us. I ask you to respect the sameness and revel in it for it is beautiful.
You both fought the Turks. If it weren't for Ali Pasha, the Lion of Janina, Greece might not have gained her independence because he kept a lot of the Sultan's army pinned down fighting him. Some say Skanderbeg had Greek blood. You both wear the white kilt.
fidokalman, you are right. there is one small problem though.. this music comes from the arvanite culture, that is Albanian Christians... we recognize and appreciate the motifs which are found all over Albania, so of course we are asking only for recognition of the origin of these traditions, and of fustanella...
for as long as greek nationalism seeks to divide us from our arvanite brothers and sisters, we will be here and everywhere to shine light on your propaganda...
I have read all the posts here placed to date balkancoolhead so I know you do not respond well to logic. Therefore, let me not argue with you or engage in dialogue. Instead, may I repeat, the music and dance herein depicted is beautiful. The dancer is athletic and accomplished. Both are soul-stirring to listen to and watch. I love it. I believe you do to. It is said the borders in Europe are disappearing; Live and let live. Enjoy the diversity! Unite in our commonality; Respect each other. LOVE
now if even half of your countrymen were as developed in their perspectives as you, then there would be no need for "balkancoolhead" to shine the light on the anti-albanianism which is nearly institutionalized in your nation and which PREVENTS the very outpouring of LOVE between our communities which is possible at this time.
so rather than taking a condescending position towards my words, why not stand up to your own people and help dismantle the anti-albanian propaganda machine which teaches you that Arvanites are not of Albanian origin, that Albanians are not related to Illyrians, that Albanian is not a legitimate language and Albanians are not Europeans!
if you realized the extent of distortion in the modern greek mythology, you would empathize more with our position.
are you suggesting the communities did not have any contact for 700 years? borders were open and communities were in direct contact in our tiny region until recently, over the past 100 years really.
and as you know, especially in our region, old customs and relationships don't die easily. that much is obvious. you are still arguing with me as a means to resist de-assimilation of the arvanites, since there is genuine fear that it is possible.
ironically, the one thing that may save you will be the highly primitive relationship of religion and society since your branch follows the entirely un-reformed fundamentalist lineage which aims to prevent free will from breaking out. in fact the latter is the scourge of region. sadly.
listen up cause no-one gives a shit for your propaganda!!
ok i wouldn have problem with albanians unless they were turkeys and usa doggys!!!
say whatever u want the only thing i know is that even arvanites hate your nation!noone likes you..bulgarians,serbians,russians everyone hates you!!think,everybody is crazy?dont think so!!! i will say to you again these words!!READ READ READ!!!!you damn moggols!!
"The object they [the Greeks] have in view is the hellenization of Albania. The whole of the southern portion carries its commerce through Janina, and the inhabitants regard this town as their capital. They fraternize easily with the Greeks... "
"As yet, their aspirations to form a distinct nationality are thought to be weak and ill-defined, so that the Greeks hope with the possession of Janina to amalgamate the two races and gain over to the cause of hellenism the finest and most warlike race in South-Eastern Europe."
and let me remind you that it is much more noble to be aligned with the American Dream than the Serbian Nightmare... you are the useless dogs of Artemeje.
i wouldn't have any problems with greeks except for the massive discrimination against Arvanite Culture (Albanian Christians) against Çam culture (Albanian Muslims & Christians) and the most recent economic immigrants that are exploited by your racist population!
by the way, if you had read other posts of mine on youtube over the past months, you would have seen enormous efforts on my part to connect with greeks and build a sense of community. even 1 year ago, the level of racism and discrimination was so high that you yourself might have even opted to intervene on behalf of albanians. things are finally beginning to change.
my dream is that we come to realize again that we are two arms on the same body, a very ancient body indeed.
exo akousei apo alvanous na lene oti xorevoun kalitera k oti aytoi arxisan me ayta ta tragoudia giayto tous vrizo!palikaria san tous ellinares den yparxoun pouthena.........
if u dont like us why u r still in greece?go back to ur country!ante!!na ksevrwmisei o topos!go back and make such songs!always stealing...from sheeps to songs!thats ur history!u r envying us!kiss u my dear friend!now scream and use all the bad words u ve learned!thats the only thing albanians know to do!envying,stealing,screaming....
parece del Boishoi ballet que agilidad
begonagr 7 hours ago
Tsamiko and kefi....thanks to our fathers and mothers!
BobRead11111 16 hours ago
Awesome! What a wonderful dance!
I'll love go to Greece
Sanguixaima 3 weeks ago
Sometimes i'm trying to be in your place and think why you all hate so much our Greece , well if i were not Greek i was also be jealous about it and i would want some pieces of her history.
GLORY GREECE NEVER DIE MOGGOLS
Psych0Noob 1 month ago
ΤΙ ΛΕΤΕ ΡΕ ΠΑΙΔΙΑ. ΠΟΠΟΠΟ
pasgouord 4 months ago
τι άλλο θ ακούσουμε.. Άκου αλβανικός χορός.. ;))) Ρούμελη και Μωριάς. Η καρδιά της Ελλάδας.
lilalilak 5 months ago
AYTOI OI 4 ΠOY ΔΕΝ ΤΟΥΣ ΑΡΕΣΕ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΠΩΛΙΝΕΣ!!!!!!! ΓΕΙΑ ΣΑ ΤΟΥ ΜΑΓΚΑ!!
ter414 6 months ago 2
κονδιλια την νετ φαγαν τα σιδερα ...πολλα λεφτα
rakoonloufa88 6 months ago
τι κανει ο θεός στο 2¨00??????!!!!!!!!!
MrAlexaker 8 months ago 7
Ευχαριστω για τα σχολια...αν μπορει ο hellasboy που ανεβασε αυτο το βιντεο ας μου στειλει ενα μηνυμα γιατι δεν τα εχω...ευχαριστω
dobralez13 8 months ago
re ton pousti xorevi anathema
kontos3 9 months ago
Μακραν το καλυτερο τσαμικο που εχω δει...
Μπραβο φιλε εισαι καταπληκτικος.
aimaktimh 9 months ago 2
lol funny how you are trying to steal albanian culture fucking pig havent you stolen enough.
1337yalla 10 months ago
@1337yalla The Greek civilization was around first smart a*s. We had indoor plumbing while you vlakes were winging off trees. All you Slavs and Albanians are wanna be's and never will be's
JSBulls23 9 months ago
@JSBulls23 wanna bes ?? This DANCE IS ALBANIAN LIKE THE FUSTANELLAS. Get you own fucking culture.
1337yalla 9 months ago
@1337yalla The Greek Civilization was around first, hence the dances are ours since back way before Christ. If you are so confident in your little Albanian mind, why do you have to yell. By the way Greece is number one in nationalism in the whole world.
JSBulls23 9 months ago
@1337yalla 9es xristopanagia re malaka pousti alvane tetragonokefale karagkiozi?trava ma8e tn istoria sou pou einai kai PARAAA polu megali....EEE MALAKA ALBANE!!!
94gsp94 7 months ago
@agon1984 ...Opa Leventis ! ....... Yes Tsamiko .. Excellent
Rodfather62 10 months ago
oraios san ellinas o maggas.......
cuts666 11 months ago
0:23
BoomRushThrill 1 year ago
thats not camiko. you cant dance.. this is camiko /watch?v=3dcksjUoSUA
agon1984 1 year ago
@agon1984 nice one but its a different rythm and the dancers dances like a ballet dancer...its nice but if this is your tsamiko then we all talk for different dances...and i'm the one dancing on this video...tsamiko...not something like tsamiko..cu again...
dobralez13 1 year ago
qusto e camiko tutta la grecia e cameria viva cameria non esistono i greci grek =arvanites non iranian
baci1972 1 year ago
Albanische Kopie VIVA ALBANIA ALI PASHA OF JANINA WAS A ALBANIEN JANINA IS ALBANIA LOL
MrArvanit 1 year ago
μπαβο ρε Λ Ε Β Ε Ν Τ Ι Α ΕΛΛΗΝΑ !!!!!!!!!!
artifisiel 1 year ago
LEVENTIS!
anastasiosg21 1 year ago
здорово!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!греки супер!!!!!!!фала ирон кафта дар зонут!!!туркиаг да маді лахта бахарут!!!!!!иратта разма!манцинкерт помните,черестійні ирон афсад!!!!!!!!!
chuncho180676 1 year ago
He would look GREAT with a foustanella !!!
JimmyTheGreek2000 1 year ago
ela re kerasovo poiothta...
enikone1 1 year ago 4
Wonderful dancing videos !!!! Opppppaaaaaaaaa !!!!
glendetta 1 year ago
Λεβεντια!
MrGreekdancer 1 year ago
Έδωσε ρέστα ο παλίκαρος
EllinonEnosis 1 year ago
Fovero to palikari poli kalos mpravo!!
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TheaAthena 1 year ago
heh, my parents whatch this show every night on ERT
SuperSor123 1 year ago
re ti ekane to palikari sto 2:03!!!!!!!!!!!
dmsxxx 1 year ago
albanian = dog
zaza1968 1 year ago
@zaza1968 greek sing turkish song and dance albanian dance
73elona 1 year ago
πολυ χαλια φύσα αυτός ο Φιλιππίδης διάολε. Ημαρτον
kothrouman 1 year ago
Wow, that was brilliant!
TheNatty88 1 year ago
Den yparhei apla!!!Einai theos!!!
mikalucy 1 year ago
go the greeks!! opaaa!!!
ms0oh 1 year ago
que genio!! buenisimo!
argentinahastalostue 1 year ago
Bravo!!!
Lifelinker 2 years ago
Iste Turk ile Yunan kardesligi dinliyen bilir bunu.Iki halkta bu muzigi severler.
gerencem 2 years ago
ΑΡΕ ΤΣΑΜΙΚΟ ΑΘΑΝΑΤΟ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
soukasguild 2 years ago 2
Bravo ta pedia, poli orea xorepsane to tsamiko!!! 5***** !
Balkancoolhead and Chicagogeorge can you please stop this endless discussion? Relax and enjoy the art of the dance!!!
Tvinqle 2 years ago 2
dwstou mwre lebenti
takisdt200 2 years ago
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TOURKALA34 2 years ago
ELLAS to megaleio soy
takisdt200 2 years ago
bravo re alani
blacksmith141 2 years ago
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beatiful cam dance.i am praud when i see the greek to dance albanian cam folk
matteobido 2 years ago
I am proud to see that albanians rely on Greeks for everything!
superfast30 2 years ago 3
Awsome Tsamiko!! We do it all the time at our International Folk Dancing society here. Any way i could get the link to this if theres a full version?
cheers
AmericanCWOVI 2 years ago 3
Opa! Gotta love this..
lovable0209 2 years ago
This is a dance danced all over mainland Greece, from the southest corner of Peloponnesos, to central Greece, Epiros, Thessaly and Macedonia.
Give me a link with a simiral ryrhm from Albania.... what is labeled as Chamiko in a youtube video
(?v=OaNT8ZFa2wk&feature=related) has a much slower rythm from 3/4 of the panhellenic dance above.
And Chams lived in an area surrounded by Greek speakers and its obvious that their style is much different from Labs or Tosks in Korca for example..
Patrinos00 2 years ago 3
re paidia epeidi eilikrina me exei kourasei auti i sizitisi...afou einai alvanikos xoros as sikothei kapoio video me kapoion apo ekei na to xoreuei kalitera..na to noiothei kalitera i oti allo thelei...mexri tora osous exo dei na xoreyoun einai kati methismenoi pou den kseroun pou patane kai pou vriskontai..ego mayta megalosa apo tous papoudes mou..ta ezisa ta ponesa..kai to xorio mou einai arketa xiliometra apo ta sinora tis alvanias..an sas anikei loipon xorefte to etsi i kalitera..telos!!!
dobralez13 2 years ago 7
A geia soy re dobralez auto lew kai egw.Exontas dei arketous xorous touw 1)I mousikh toys einai diaforetiki(pio aneuri sigoura) 2)xoreyoun diaforetika(san ksestratismena gidia xoropidane xwris ixnos tis leventias kai ormis poy diakrinei to tsamiko mas).Kai eipame to tsamiko vgenei apo tin tsamouria kai oxi apo tous tsamides.Den itan oloi oi katoikoi tis tsamourias tourkotsamides
gkioniskk 2 years ago
kapoios pou na to xorepsei me perissotero pathos den nomizw na yparxei. 5000 stars!!!!!!!!
fernardobriass 2 years ago
Read Hobbhouse:Travels in Albania and other provinces of Turkey in 1809 & 1810
p60
"The Christians of Ioannina, though inhabiting a part of Albania and governed by Albanian masters, CALL THEMSELVES GREEKS AS DO THE INHABITANTS OF ARTA, PREVESA, AND EVEN MANY OF OF THE VILLAGES HIGHER UP IN THE COUNTRY. THEY NEITHER WEAR THE ALBANIAN DRESS NOR SPEAK THE ALBANIAN LANGUAGE, AND THEY PARTAKE IN EVERY PARTICULAR CUSTOM OF THE GREEKS IN MOREA AND ROUMELY"
chicagogeorge 2 years ago 3
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"On the feast of Pentecost for generation after generation, the people of Messoiuso, their eyes filled with tears, would climb the hill known as Bringa, face the East, and sing in fervent tones: 'Beautiful Morea, whom I have not set eyes on since the moment I left you.There live my father, my lord, and my esteemed mother; there my grandfather and my brother dwell. Beautiful Morea, whom since I left I have never seen again.' And they sang in Albanian."
-Vacalopoulos,Greek Nation (1453-1669),p.49
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
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what are greeks ????????
arvanites ( orthodox albanians)
vlahs
sarakachanes
macedonians
and orthodox turks who came after 1922
where are greeks in greece ??????
macedonianchorba 2 years ago
Greeks are the ones you d love to be...But you can't.Silly wannabes,slavic people of peasant stock.
gkioniskk 2 years ago 13
@gkioniskk Can you define what it means to be Greek? To me, and to the whole world to be Greek means to Steal!
That's in your genetic code moron! You steal everything on your way, so don't be so proud of yourselves, but TAKE A MIRROR!
GothMistress666 7 months ago
@GothMistress666
"To me and the whole world"?I suggest you talk for yourself and leave "the whole world" out of it.The "whole world" doesnt share your inferiority complex and envy towards the Greek nation.
gkioniskk 7 months ago
@gkioniskk Hahahaha, you are funny... Envy?? Envy the Greeks?? Hello, how can someone for God's sake envy you, when you are proven to be the biggest losers in the history of humanity? The only thing you are good at is stealing and being gay :)) It's proven :P
Spare me of your funny comments, please!
GothMistress666 7 months ago
@GothMistress666
You claim us to be loosers but everytime we faced your nation of naive peasants we pwned you!!! I could be a little more outspoken on how we ve kicked your asses,but I dont want to insult Bulgarian people who were your compatriots back then.Do not embarrass yourself anymore mistress of jealousy!!!And dont leave any more pathetic comments on a vid of a dance that is older than your nation itself.
gkioniskk 7 months ago 2
When have you ever seen an orthodox turk you idiot?? The people that came from Pontus in 1922 were GREEKS. They Spoke Greek and they were orthodox. Stop your propaganda.
nickpafras 1 year ago
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what are greeks ????????
arvanites ( orthodox albanians)
vlahs
sarakachanes
macedonians
and orthodox turks who came after 1922
where are greeks in greece ??????
macedonianchorba 1 year ago
@macedonianchorba FUCK YOU
YP1310 1 year ago
You mean the star of Vergina which is an ancient Greek symbol.... Lol. you are right it has to do with Slavs!! Lol!
chicagogeorge 2 years ago 3
Slavs, gentiles, same thing
demetri007demetri007 2 years ago
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Why is there on the ground the Macedonian flag..has nothing to do with greece...
puncyy 2 years ago
Γειά σου Παρασκευά πρωτοχορευτή απο το Ξηρόμερο! Γειά σου Πατρίδα!!!!!!!
fernardobriass 2 years ago 4
popo ta dosei ola !!!
SonSter89 2 years ago
Παιδιά,το καλύτερο τσάμικο στην Ελλάδα το χορεύει ο Γιώργος Αριανάς ο Σπαρτιάτης.Όλα τα λεφτά!!
maxitismakedon 2 years ago
Μεγαλε σε ευχαριστω αλλα δεν ειμαι απο Κερασοβο..απο ΚΑΝΔΗΛΑ ΞΗΡΟΜΕΡΟΥ ειμαι..
dobralez13 2 years ago 3
Theiko to video! Katse omos giati ta mpleksame! O Panagiotellis einai apo Kerasovo, perioxi Thesprotikou. Ego apo ta Giannena exo katagogi. Esy apo pou eisai?
lysander1920 2 years ago
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"The object they [the Greeks] have in view is the hellenization of Albania. The whole of the southern portion carries its commerce through Janina, and the inhabitants regard this town as their capital. They fraternize easily with the Greeks..."
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
"As yet, their aspirations to form a distinct nationality are thought to be weak and ill-defined, so that the Greeks hope with the possession of Janina to amalgamate the two races and gain over to the cause of hellenism the finest and most warlike race in South-Eastern Europe."
The Times (London), January 31, 1879
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
@balkancoolhead
And you believe this crap from the British? They had their aganda at the time!
Not able to believe all ou read in a newspaper.
JimmyTheGreek2000 1 year ago
Den ksero poion ennoeis panagioteli..ego eimai apo Kandila ksiromerou..aitoloakarnania..misi ora meta ton Astako pros Vonitsa..an voithisa..
dobralez13 2 years ago
Fysika kai voithises!
lysander1920 2 years ago
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YianniTCM 2 years ago
Α, ρε Ελλάδα! Αθάνατη... Ακούς τον ήχο και τρελαίνεσαι...! Και το τσάμικο που χορεύει αυτός ο ΛΕΒΈΝΤΗΣ ΈΛΛΗΝΑΣ από το χωριό μας, το Κεράσοβο, είναι άπαιχτο...
Panagiotellis 2 years ago 3
re file
eisai to eidwlo mou
eisai levenths me olh t shmasia ths lekshs
arispaoktsis 2 years ago 2
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Valle shqiptare e camerise!!!!
tirona78 2 years ago
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Valle shqipetare e camerise!!!
tirona78 2 years ago
This is so a cool.
One of the funnest ways to get a peek at other cultures is to simply watch how they dance.
:D
B62RU 2 years ago 3
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This is a imitation of an albanian dance. The etymology of the name Tsamiko comes from the albanian Tsamides.
albansktiger 2 years ago
Yeah, that's how I found it. I was looking on Wikipedia under traditional dances (or something of the like) and I found Tsamiko under Albanian.
B62RU 2 years ago
But i have to admit, the greeks do it very good.
albansktiger 2 years ago
Stop your youtube propaganda. They do it good because it is Greek.. The dance and the word Tsamiko is Greek coming from thyamis (thyamides-tsamides)..the albanian tsamides adoped the name "tsamides" from the greeks living in that region of greece when they were brought to Greece by the Turks.
louka1111 2 years ago 3
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Do you know what Tsami (τζαμί) means in greek?
Tsamides got their name because they were muslims. Tsami (τζαμί) means mosque in greek, and those who worshipped in the mosque (τζαμί) were called Tsamides.
Tsamiko is the dance of the muslim albanians and some muslim greeks (wich were later on adopted by the christian greeks who converted back to christianity).
albansktiger 2 years ago
You must be kidding.. during the ottoman occupation of Greece hundreds of thousands of muslims were living all over Greece, why were they not called Tsamides also?? The word tsamides is Greek originating from the river thyamis and the people living around the river were referred to as (thyamides-tsamides).. You should note that tsamides denoted christian Greeks living in the area of thesprotia.. Turk/albanians (tourakalvanoi) living in this region adopted this name in later years..
louka1111 2 years ago 2
Youre a revisionist i see...
First: there is no such thing as turkalbanian, ans
Second: Why is it ONLY albanians that call themselves Tsam/cham today?
albansktiger 2 years ago
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louka1111 2 years ago
1. Revisionist is what I called your friend below and all Albanians bombarding greek youtube videos in an attempt to falsify history and create a new identity in the post Hodja era.
2, You have failed to answer my question put to you in my last post. Why?
3, albanians fighting in Greece were refered to as turkalbanians until 1840'S.
4. Greeks have reverted to original ancient greek name - thesprotia. As for the Albanians their motive is political..and relates to a greater Albania..
louka1111 2 years ago 24
@louka1111
arvanites belong to the greek family
progonolatreia 1 year ago
@louka1111 ... Giassou Arvaniti!!! the true courageous warriors that completed the independence from the Turks begun by Ali Pasha... as usual, the greatest stories of courage in "greece" are from Albanians... maybe the Arvanites will save you again from moral and fiscal bankruptcy! but for now, you will apparently be saved by the generosity of the Germans, the irony of the Turks and the surprise appearance of the Chinese!!! ha ha... lol...
be nice to the Albanians patriotis... bff ;-)
balkancoolhead 1 year ago
@louka1111 Starting from this Hellenistic period, especially from the invasion of Greece by the Romans, the center of Hellenism was not Athens or other cities of Greece, but Asia Minor and Egypt. This regime scattered Helena people and it brought the depopulation and impoverishment of Hellada, which described by Plutarku during his era as a place almost deserted, and was the cause of the formation of the new great Greece .....ROBERT D ANGELY.
cambsuk 8 months ago
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When King Otto of Greece came in Greece in 1830, he hardly heard anyone speak Greek and so he asked "Where are the Greeks in Athens?" His court looked at each other and answered: "There are no Greeks, but do not be troubled because this Albanian population will always be faithful to your monarchy."
King Otto, Zaharias Papantoniou
Ζαχαρίας Παπαντωνίου; Τα ψηλά βουνά
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
You cannot keep yourself from speaking bullshit, asshole, don't you?
Ardian Vebiu
famous Albanian historian writes:
My personal opinion is that the issue of Albanians descending or not from Illyrians doesn't deserve the interest it has traditionally aroused. There is absolutely NO Illyrian cultural legacy among Albanians today. In a certain sense, Illyrians (with their less fortunate fellows, the Pelasgians) are a pure creation of Albanian romanticism.
lysander1920 2 years ago
that guy again?! ha ha... sorry dude, that is a guy who suffered a lot under hoxha and he came out of it with a hatred of everything albanian. he was used by milosevic (your best friend in the balkans) to justify oppression of albanians in kosovo as well.
you will really have to do more research before you can throw quotes out there that actually have any meaning.
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
Balcancoolhead your claim in regard to Zervas and Yd Vashem is a lie. Yd Vashem does not state that Greece "turned over" any Jews. You have made this up! just like everything else you post in regard to Albania and Tsamiko. But what can one expect from someone who cut and pastes the same post on all Tsamiko videos! hoping, just like his master, the Nazi propagandist Goebbles, that "if you repeat a lie a thousand time it becomes a truth". You are exposed as nothing but an Albanian fascist & liar.
louka1111 2 years ago 3
Balkancoolhead, I see you admit that the word tsamis/tsamiko is Greek.which Albanians have borrowed. The same applies with tsamiko as a dance. As for the Nazi claim it is well documented that the tsamides fought with the Nazis in WW2 which explains why they left together with the Germans at the end of the war.
louka1111 2 years ago 2
stop trying to drive wedges between Albanians, Albanians and Albanians... you can't do it patrioti!!!
giassou arvaniti!!!
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
Anyway, tsamiko is NOT an Arvanite dance.
Tsam Albanians do dance this who settled in Thesprotia back in the 1700's this is true, but this dance resembles many other Greek dances on the mainland. It is entirely common....
And what about the dance " Soulieman Aga " which is popular in and around Edessa? According to Balkancoolhead's logic , that must be a Turkish dance. Even though Edessa was mainly a Greek city with Bulgarian villages sorrounding it....
chicagogeorge 2 years ago
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Voden is MACEDONIAN city whit macedonian villages surrounding it ...... there is macedonian population and orthodox turks who came after 1922............... nothing greek there , exept greek occupation on this land ..
macedonianchorba 2 years ago
What is this Vodena?
Read Travels to Northern Greece by William Leake Vol III 1835 pg 272
"There cannot be a doubt that this is the site of Aegae or Edessa, the capital of ancient Maceonia"
Vodena so called from the BULGARIAN VODA WITH GREEK TERMINATION.."
page 273
"Numerous ruins of churches on the skirts of Vodena show it's former importance under the GREEK empire. At present it contains 1500 Turkish and 500 GREEK houses, but many of the Turkish houses are let to Greek"
chicagogeorge 2 years ago 2
ancient Macedonian also called the city Edessa
Paul's Macedonian Associations pg 199
"The earliest known dedications to ZEUS Hypsistos are found in Edessa" Macedonians named many other cities in Asia Edessa
The Oriental Herald and Journal of General Literature VXII 1827
"This capital of the country bvetween the Euphrates and the Tigris tha Padan Aram, and Aram Nahraim of the Hebrews the Mesopotamia of the Greeks received from it's Macedonian conquerers the name Edessa"
chicagogeorge 2 years ago
Ask Balkancoolhead why the Arvanites every chance they got raised up arms against invading Albanians during the 18 and 19th century.
Doesn't sound like their "brothers" to me lol...
chicagogeorge 2 years ago
Balkancoolhead stop your propoganda. Ethnic identity and culture cannot be created or forced especially by you and your friends bombarding youtube. Tsamiko is a Greek dance stemming from Ancient Greece. The fact that you may have a similar dance is not suprising as it is a direct result of the effect Greek culture has had in the region. The word Tsamiko is Greek denoting people from the region of Thyamis (Tsiamis) a region that the Albanian nazi lovers occupied in Greece and adopted its name.
louka1111 2 years ago
louka! it is now an established fact that Napoleon Zervas was a Nazi Collaborator. the documents from the Nazi archive are now public, go and search for them yourself.
you are correct about the origin of the word Tsamiko, and ONLY the Albanians use the term Tsameria for the region, obviously a much older and meaningful place name, as compared with Epirus which just means continent, and is a strange name for a small region.
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
as for your Nazi comment, Albania is not considered to be a Nazi collaborator nation, like Croatia for example. we were occupied.
remember another thing, no Jewish family in Albania was given up to the Nazis. unlike "greece" which turned over 94% to die in gas chambers (according to Yad Vashem).
shame on you for distorting our history and allowing such an perverted contortion of hellenism with monotheism and hyper nationalism. you are as far away from the ancient values as possible. shame.
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
@louka1111 I think "επίτριτος" (epitritos - over the third beat) was the name for tsamiko in ancient Greece due to its rythm (3/4).
aliekous 1 year ago
giassou arvanita! thank you albania for all you have done for the modern state of greece. we have disrespected you and your brothers & sisters, the arvanites. we have used our church to separate you and to create in the arvanites an inferiority complex and the need to prove their greekness.
no longer. we are ready to embrace the complex cultural roots of our modern nation and extend a hand of love to all albanians and your beautiful culture so full of rich dance, costume and courage.
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
Μπράβο στο παλικάρι που χορεύει μπροστά!!! Είναι ο ορισμός του ΛΕΒΕΝΤΗ!!!
Η εκτέση του ραστ επίσης εκπληκτική από το Φιλιππίδη!
Fade2Black161284 2 years ago 2
Bravo Nikos Filippidis!!!!
klarino47 2 years ago
The Armenians have a dance they call the "Greek hop"... I don't see any Greeks claiming Armenian culture....
chicagogeorge 2 years ago
People, this guy is outstanding! Greek women worship his interpretation of the music, as displayed by his dance. Wow! Nicely done! Bravo!!
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TheaAthena 1 year ago
@TheaAthena
Wish I knew his name as well. He's certainly the best I've ever seen that's for sure. Also, I've never seen him on this show before either, so perhaps it was a one-time good thing. Enjoy.
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dobralez13 1 year ago
auto 8a pei xoreuths me ar........a!
trampakoulas007 2 years ago 2
auto einai xoros re!!!!!!!!!!!! oxi san tous allous, pou alwnizoun staria!
5.000 stars!
fernardobriass 2 years ago
το κομματι λεγεται ραστ και ειναι ξηρομερητικος χορος.Σταματηστε να λετε οτι σας ερθει...ΣΤΥΛΙΑΡΙΑ!!!
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YianniTCM 2 years ago
I ask Greeks and Albanians to stop the war or words. This music is Balkan. Greeks love it. Albanians do too. It is for all of us. I ask you to respect the sameness and revel in it for it is beautiful.
You both fought the Turks. If it weren't for Ali Pasha, the Lion of Janina, Greece might not have gained her independence because he kept a lot of the Sultan's army pinned down fighting him. Some say Skanderbeg had Greek blood. You both wear the white kilt.
Long live the music!
fidokalman 2 years ago
Bravo re fidokalman!
WAGTVdotcom 2 years ago
fidokalman, you are right. there is one small problem though.. this music comes from the arvanite culture, that is Albanian Christians... we recognize and appreciate the motifs which are found all over Albania, so of course we are asking only for recognition of the origin of these traditions, and of fustanella...
for as long as greek nationalism seeks to divide us from our arvanite brothers and sisters, we will be here and everywhere to shine light on your propaganda...
shame.
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
I have read all the posts here placed to date balkancoolhead so I know you do not respond well to logic. Therefore, let me not argue with you or engage in dialogue. Instead, may I repeat, the music and dance herein depicted is beautiful. The dancer is athletic and accomplished. Both are soul-stirring to listen to and watch. I love it. I believe you do to. It is said the borders in Europe are disappearing; Live and let live. Enjoy the diversity! Unite in our commonality; Respect each other. LOVE
fidokalman 2 years ago
fidokalman, i agree with you completely.
now if even half of your countrymen were as developed in their perspectives as you, then there would be no need for "balkancoolhead" to shine the light on the anti-albanianism which is nearly institutionalized in your nation and which PREVENTS the very outpouring of LOVE between our communities which is possible at this time.
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
so rather than taking a condescending position towards my words, why not stand up to your own people and help dismantle the anti-albanian propaganda machine which teaches you that Arvanites are not of Albanian origin, that Albanians are not related to Illyrians, that Albanian is not a legitimate language and Albanians are not Europeans!
if you realized the extent of distortion in the modern greek mythology, you would empathize more with our position.
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
Arvanites came to Greece 700 years ago. How Albanian do you think they are today LOL!!
chicagogeorge 2 years ago
now that is true french-fry logic chicagoGjergj.
are you suggesting the communities did not have any contact for 700 years? borders were open and communities were in direct contact in our tiny region until recently, over the past 100 years really.
and as you know, especially in our region, old customs and relationships don't die easily. that much is obvious. you are still arguing with me as a means to resist de-assimilation of the arvanites, since there is genuine fear that it is possible.
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
ironically, the one thing that may save you will be the highly primitive relationship of religion and society since your branch follows the entirely un-reformed fundamentalist lineage which aims to prevent free will from breaking out. in fact the latter is the scourge of region. sadly.
what are your thoughts on this?
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
here u are again!!!
listen up cause no-one gives a shit for your propaganda!!
ok i wouldn have problem with albanians unless they were turkeys and usa doggys!!!
say whatever u want the only thing i know is that even arvanites hate your nation!noone likes you..bulgarians,serbians,russians everyone hates you!!think,everybody is crazy?dont think so!!! i will say to you again these words!!READ READ READ!!!!you damn moggols!!
nicolaspao 2 years ago
"The object they [the Greeks] have in view is the hellenization of Albania. The whole of the southern portion carries its commerce through Janina, and the inhabitants regard this town as their capital. They fraternize easily with the Greeks... "
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
"As yet, their aspirations to form a distinct nationality are thought to be weak and ill-defined, so that the Greeks hope with the possession of Janina to amalgamate the two races and gain over to the cause of hellenism the finest and most warlike race in South-Eastern Europe."
The Times (London), January 31, 1879
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
can you read this? ha ha... one of my favorites.
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
and let me remind you that it is much more noble to be aligned with the American Dream than the Serbian Nightmare... you are the useless dogs of Artemeje.
i wouldn't have any problems with greeks except for the massive discrimination against Arvanite Culture (Albanian Christians) against Çam culture (Albanian Muslims & Christians) and the most recent economic immigrants that are exploited by your racist population!
besides those things, i guess we are fine.
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
peace to you in any case patrioti, you are a good person. perhaps we can all begin to follow your lead soon.
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
by the way, if you had read other posts of mine on youtube over the past months, you would have seen enormous efforts on my part to connect with greeks and build a sense of community. even 1 year ago, the level of racism and discrimination was so high that you yourself might have even opted to intervene on behalf of albanians. things are finally beginning to change.
my dream is that we come to realize again that we are two arms on the same body, a very ancient body indeed.
balkancoolhead 2 years ago
yea...right!!..but only Greeks do it like this!!
YORGOS1965 2 years ago
Quite so! Bravo Yorgos1965
fidokalman 2 years ago
Bet they do as it is pure Albanian dance. Even music is pure Albanian. Check wedding music of Albanians.
gjoleka 2 years ago
μπράβο το παληκάρι, ράγισε το πάτωμα!
burandas 2 years ago 2
entaxi katapliktiko...
timise tin ellada k meto parapanw
BLAYDANCER 2 years ago
@π@ιχτος !!!!! Μπράβο !!!!!!
sotos206 3 years ago 2
Bravo sas vre pedia! Ti na po? speechless....the way you are dancing, its just art....
TubesGarden 3 years ago
Fabulous soloist! Wow! What a dancer! Very nice! Not exactly a tsamiko for beginners. heh
FolkDancer2009 3 years ago
Απλα, ο τύπος είναι "in the zone"!
MolossianZagori 3 years ago
exo akousei apo alvanous na lene oti xorevoun kalitera k oti aytoi arxisan me ayta ta tragoudia giayto tous vrizo!palikaria san tous ellinares den yparxoun pouthena.........
giorg000s 3 years ago 2
TI ALBANOI RE ???
Pou ta eixan oi Albanoi ayta ....
21parat 3 years ago 7
gamo tous albanous
giorg000s 3 years ago
απαιχτος ο τζες
paslas 3 years ago 2
And your "Chameria" comes from the Thymaria river as it was called in ancient Epirus by the Greeks.
Learn how to pronounce it!
chicagogeorge 3 years ago 4
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fuck you bitches
is called camiko,is cham albanian you shuiters
teduashpirti 3 years ago
if u dont like us why u r still in greece?go back to ur country!ante!!na ksevrwmisei o topos!go back and make such songs!always stealing...from sheeps to songs!thats ur history!u r envying us!kiss u my dear friend!now scream and use all the bad words u ve learned!thats the only thing albanians know to do!envying,stealing,screaming....
assos206 3 years ago 6
Tell me you little thief, do they dance like this in Kosovo too???
hahaha get lost malaka!
MolossianZagori 3 years ago