Not necessarily. It is often the case that those who shout out are educated opera fans and refuse to let a poor performance or a travesty on stage go unchecked. There are standards and it is unacceptable when big stars and the big opera houses do not meet them. The less criticism there is, the more opera, or any art suffers. The New York audience, based on the levels of cultural education one sees today, was most likely too sheepish to speak up.
Al I can say is that Anna Netrebko is just so goddam beautiful that I reckon no males in the audience would have cared much if she hit an ocassional bum note.
The New York audience for Netrebko are being polite. They would've raved if they'd thought she'd really got that High E. The people who shout out at performances are attention-seeking losers who mistakenly pride themselves on being music lovers but are nothing better than armchair divas.
I don't think Marsh singing Si Puo was that bad actually, the Ab needed more power but the tone and voice are great. Gedda and Villazon however were painful, and Netrebko's E flats were at least a semitone flat. The Aida clip is hilarious.
@AfroPoli Villazon didn't get to sing much anywhere after this... I was going to see him in Denmark (the infamous concert with 2 arias), good thing I didn't waste my time and money.
For perspective, Enrico Caruso cracked on high notes several times in his career...usually in front of big audiences. They all make mistakes, and even the greatest singers have off nights.
hmmm sometimes happen, none of them are machines!, so...About Callas i would prefer to walking out of stage if i don't feel sure about it, than make a ridiculous moment.
You know, I'm just gonna bet that you don't get on stage much. Because if you did you would have a lot more respect for a lot of these flops. Ya some of them are because they're singing the wrong rep. But others....I mean with as famous as these people are (or were) there were recordings going non stop. Imagine if every time you stepped into the practice room somebody recorded it and put it on Youtube. No they aren't in the practice room, but they sing a lot and mistakes happen to everyone.
Oh god, if I hear the justification for average singers that "they are increasing the popularity of the art form (even though they average)" one more time...the same lame lame line is used to justify popera being sung in Idol and that other dumb second rate show on British TV about teaching c grade stars how to sing opera. It is not increasing the poularity of opera because it ISN'T opera. It's people TRYING to sing opera. The acidity towards Netrebko is probably a bit OTT but still, overrated!!
@donerlich I wish I had a thousand thumbs up to give your for this comment. Thank you for stating the problem so succinctly. I wish more people understood it this way--I feel so alone sometimes.
afroPoli, i disagree that this video does not have any kind of mean intentions. your remarks about Nebtrebko were acid. by the way, to all the Netrebko naysayers, she has done wonders for spreading interest in the art form and is adored by countless adoring fans. And she brings not only singing but sensuality and good acting to her performances. despite your smug criticisms, her performances are sold out and the audiences scream for more.
When you go to a world class opera house you have the right to expect good singing. If you dislike what you hear you are entitled to air that opinion - discretely or outside the house. If the singing is horrible, then leave your seat and demand your money back but don't behave like an ape and start shouting.
I wish the German audiences were like this today. One should be twice as harsh today, because the most of the time you get singing like that Salome. But the audience applauds anything, be it in Cologne, Berlin, Munich or Bayreuth. I've seen the German public go MAD and crying bravo about singers who had killed each phrase of their role. It must be lack of knowledge and this totally provincial attitude of accepting anything, only because you've paid 80 euros and you have your diamonds on.
I like netrebko, I think that she's a good opera singer, but not excelent -it's diferent-, she's just good... I don't understand why some people says that she sucks or she is bad. I mean since the point of view of the people who knows the opera i want to know.
Netrebko is the most overrated of the century? Are you high? She is a star. She is beautiful live. She had just had a baby before that clip. Come on.....
confronting Christians against lions was also an Italian tradition. Tradition is not excuse for inappropriate behavior. I do it cause everybody else is doing it . Is childish.
BTW, booing is not the other side of cheering. Silence is. There was a time when people cheer each fucng high not.. it was ridiculous, it has mostly change tradition is not written in stone.
Wait...the Duke is not for Gedda?!? what? It was a wonderful role for him, he sang the hell out it. This is either when he was too old, or too tired, or too ill. Not sure. But it's not characteristic of his performance of the role throughout his career.
And from the comments in the video we should assume it's ok, acceptable or even appropriate in ANY way to boo a singer when it has a problem ? or 10.000 problems in a performance?
And that, for those who boo to the singers accidents. Dont make me start with those absolutely convince they own the truth about how to stage an opera, and are willing to interrupt and disturb any idea that doesnt match their own preconception. Shameful.
As an audience member who paid about $500AUD to see Dessay and Florez in Zimmerman's Sonnambula at the Met last year, I was pleased to hear the boos of other audience members. I myself did not boo, but I did stop applauding when the production team took their bows. And that was not, for me, about matching a preconception (this was the first Sonnambula I'd seen). It was about the undermining of the libretto through a faulty, poorly executed and, arguably, disrespectful production concept.
People pay a lot of money for other shows.... only opera is "circensian" enough for having such embarrassing responses.... not in ballet, nor theatre of any kind you'll find EVER such reactions..If there's something you don't like, you just leave, or you dont applaud at all.
It's just arrogant to think you're buying the rights to scream to someone for 5, 50, 500 or 5000 dollars. Actually, that explains A LOT of how that kind of audience think. Pitiful.
That's the problem... it's not a sport... it's art. And the people involved are (as a general rule, at least), sensitive people exposing themselves. That should grant them at the very least, if not the admiration, the respect of the audience. And that respect should show especially in those moments where, because is not a DVD, is a live show, things are not going as well as everybody would like.
Respect, empathy, recognition those are the key words.
I agree, it is disrespectful, that's the point, to show one's displeasure at, usually, bad singing or bad production. What's more, it comes with the territory, by which I mean to say that a person who can't take a little booing in their stride shouldn't attempt a career as a singer or director. In most houses these days, bad singing and production get off lightly too, though that appears to be changing. The audience pays, alot, they have every right to boo.
Netrebko really is rather over-rated. I know she has her fans but objectively she is a good soprano but nothing more than that (which in itself is an achievement).
The problem is that she's cast in a myriad of coloratura roles... but when she's put in more lyric roles it's like listening to someone totally different. I think she has much more potential in Puccini or Verdi lyric roles rather than Bellini and Donizetti bel canto coloratura.
The opera houses cast her because it sells tickets unfortunately. Her Mimi was pretty charming in my opinion. It's like it's becoming harder to find good coloraturas these days, probably because there are still so many people who say "Oh she's not as good as Sutherland" so they push aside a great deal of talented singers because they're not as good as their favorite.
@ElisabettaVS she had problems with her sinus she had always problems and that particular night she had it bad so on every top note she was in denger of craccking and vocaly puching that hurts
I think because Corelli had had a breakdown. Corelli apparently went ballistic if people started booing him. Callas did have a wobble at the top, though, so maybe she was booed next!
@runhardhooah What you write is not correct. In one of the older TV programs about Callas, the incident is commented very wisely by Lord Harewood. Callas did have some kind of cold or throat infection. In the first act she felt she was not delivering what audiences deserve when they pay to hear Maria Callas. She was such a professional that she would rather "take the flack" of walking out on the President of the Italian Republic than do a poor job. It was blown out of proportion by the media.
I thank you kindly for adding to my small knowledge of opera history, something which I am aiming to expand, for I am a studying bass singer and have come to really enjoy opera. I have known Callas was an opera great, have heard that she has also been criticized with having a wobble in her voice at the top of her range, but did not know of this incident where she walked off the stage. Quite intriguing I must say. I imagine she only gained more respect by doing so.
You are very tough regarding Netrebko. Yes, she is not very bright in Lucia, but she is still a good singer comparing to many many others. She is very original, and has a fire in her (now I am not just talking about sexiness). She has a good breath (very often she dances, and after sings without loosing her breathe).
And regarding her accent, I would tell everyone to remember that she is Russian. And for russians it is very hard to pronounce harsh sounds, like those in german.
He hits a Bb then an A and then down to the G which fits it with the orchestra's C major chord to try and make it sound correct! Quite a good save really!
awesome-- RV is singing with a rock bottom supressed larynx and then through his nose-{"mask"} whatever--a mask covers, a mu term. how soviet system school of him with 2 opposing concepts and forces.
just easy sing like domingo-air and resonance-- and don't open the mouth like a python to a meal, it smashes down your cords--thanks again Afro-on to prt 3!
Haha, I love all this stuff. Yes, indeed, half of Netrebko's career is based on her looks. European audiences also seem to be a lot more critical than audiences in North America.
Oh, please. She has a terrific, beautiful voice but shouldn´t maybe not try to sing roles above the high c. Her Mimi is wonderful and I love to hear her Tosca in a couple of years...
Por cierto tambien hay cosas muy raras que hacen algunos cantantes como por ejemplo te recomiendo que veas a Carlos Santoyo y tu dime si tiene 26, hizo hasta lo que no para entrar a dos concursos de canto lo curioso es que en el primero tiene creo que 26 y para el segundo tenia 25... otro extraño caso como el de Benjamin Button??
Efectivamente, el "joven" Carlos Santoyo (un pseudo-bajo Mexicano) se ve mucho mas viejo de la edad limite que imponen los concurso en los que ha participado ultimamente (Carlo Moreli y concurso de canto de Sinaloa, por ejemplo).
Una de dos, o existe una irregularidad o esta persona padece de una terrible enfermedad que le envejece la cara prematuramente.
Aforpoli, la verdad estos videos nos demuestran que hasta los grandes cantantes tienes sus malos ratos, pero bueno que seria del mundo de la opera sin cosas chuscas y que a todos nos han tocado, por ejemplo nunca me imagine que Alagna realmente le no diera un agudo... jajaja esta muy comico pero ninguno como Carreras y Gedda aunque sigue siendo uno de mis tenores favoritos; por favor sube mas videos y pues cada quien es libre de manifestar su opinion
callas rome 1958: it would have been so much simpler to go to the hospital!! But thank you for explaining WHY it was such a problem, I didn't know the other singers had not been informed, but that's not her fault, that's the organizers, anybody can be ill during a show, it has to be considered. There was also the fact that they had not planned for an understudy.
European audiences have the balls to tell it like it is! I hear so many MET broadcasts that are simply awful and the audience ALWAYS lauds the performers like they are gods. WTF?
I agree with you Tommy we americans should boo those that dont work or are not up-to-part i know i did at the Walkure in LA opera can you believe they put a mezzo to sing Brunhilde omg her Cs weere hahahaah
Also these great singers are human beings, this videos show how enormously diffucult many of these arias are. Let´s make them mistakes and enjoy even more if they get it. Nobody can always b
thx for videos man,seeing great fail gives us some confort...and people booing and commenting,well,what the hell do they know? only thing they understand is high and loud...the ones that realy understand singers ( their techique and hard work,people that have some "music in them") will NEVER comment out loud during the opera. its just stupid imho
I hate to be immature, but I can only imagine James Levine's face (granted he conducted) at 2:05. Villazon is quite lucky; if he was in Berlin and "commited" this, he would have been booed off the stage. James Levine shows alot of mercy by continuing. After all, Karajan or Bohm would have long since left.
@kdybyneco: Plně souhlasím! (a zdravím, krajane :-) ) Myslím, že tohle by si měli přečíst všichni (ale připravil jste mi tam pár "překladatelských oříšků" ;-) ) Tahle sbírka mne také rozesmutnila. Jestli nesouhlasíte, řekněte, já smažu!
Only, so that other people can understand: "And to whom does not this happen. We're just people ... to condemn the top singers, that they slip ... who doesn't slip?"
Thanks. Actually, the "pazzo, pazzo" you hear is Bonisolli speaking in German. He says: "trocken, trocken, Waser, Wasser!" (dry, dry, water, water) while some people are booing.
Domingo overrated. In Hamburg is the most adored opera singer ever. For one reason. perfect singing for more than 30 years. ALAGNA! is done. Villazon at 35 is worst than Di Stefano at 30, which is terrible. Does he want another vocal cord surgery this year too? He has one year to abandon 80% of his repertoire or is done. He is cracking every month!
I actually planned to include him in the next part. I hate Calleja, he is like Bocelli. The worst thing is that some crazy fans now call him the "new Björling". They must be deaf.
They are not Crazy fans, they are people who have heard him live. You equate him with Bocelli because he has a fast vibrato, but his voice carries and bathes the audience in sounds. Sorry but you are mistaken, I promise you. Of course you do not have to love his voice, this is a matter of a taste, but he is not a fake, nor is he inferior in any way.
I have heard him live too. I equate him with Bocelli because his voice is thin like the one of Bocelli. He is loud, that is the only difference. His technique is horrible.
Who has not cracked on the Pagliacci prologue?? LOL. These are all arias that are longing for someone to crack on the high notes, Ouch!! Thanks goodness that it happens to even the best.
It should be mentioned that Callas walkoff was not because of a performing or voice problem.
As far as I remeber she was very sick. The press made a huge story out of that but her only fault was that she did not read the apology note to the audience which Meneghini wrote for her .
jontew - I didn't hear him, but he did crack. The following is from the pages of Bel Canto Society, Corelli in conversacion with Stefan Zucker:
"FC: At Spoleto, in 1951, in Aïda cracked my throat."
"Franco tells us about his sucking of sponges and how that led to some embarrassment... a mistake in Corelli's commercial recording of Chénier; EMI/Angel's release of a Norma with a CRACKED note from Corelli--he's never forgiven them..."
oh my god Rolando Villazon i feel bad for him im glad i was lucky to hear him in good voice or should i say before he destroy his voice like that horrible
What about Domingo? If singers with such great high notes as Pavarotti and Gedda missed high notes in performance, then all the more Domingo, wow, he must have had a LOT of missed notes, even with the arias being sung in a lower key.
What a pazzo, that Bonisolli. Do you also have one presentation of Il Trovatore in Barcelona, where after he cracks on the (interpolated) high C's of "All'armi!" in "Di Quella Pira" at the end of the Act, and the audience is not giving him a big ovation during the curtain calls, he suddenly for no reason sings a high C just to show he can do it ?!?!?! Gigione!
No, I do not have that. Sounds like fun! In quanto a Domingo: I do not have such terrible cracks with him, and I have never heard such bad ones. That's how it is, sorry.
Oh yes that Bonisolli must have been fun and he was the first tenor I heard, as I saw on TV this 60's movie of La Traviata which Bonisolli with Anna Moffo (much better than Netrebko!).
As for Domingo, no apology needed. He is a great tenor but more for the overall musicality and versatility and not for pure beauty of voice and singing ability. Of all great tenors in world history, he had the least impressive high register, though in zarzuela music, his high A's and B's could be good. Thanks!
Funny. I had three different messages, with varying messages. In one, I had bad things to say about Domingo, in the other, I was more positive. And in all three messages, I got negative ratings. (sigh)
The audience clapped for Netrebko even after the bad high E's because they did not want to boo today's opera darling... for her looks more than her voice.
Netrebko and Villazon, the most overrated singers of this century, both promoted by Mingo (where is the Do) who has utilized opera for years to his own benefit.
Thank you! Great idea and very interesting. Only one thing: Bonisolli in Hamburg was not complete, you cut it so that the end is missing. I was there and recorded it too.
Netrebko? Well one thing I admire is that she sticks things out. She could have walked out of Lucia, but she came back and completed the run, which took guts.
So many singers stick with a few roles and play safe - which is boring. Netrebko at least is adventurous. But her voice - apart from Eflats - is starting to sound worn. She should never have attempted bel canto. And her attention to words is perfunctory.
I have seen Netrebko live, and watched videos and listened to recordings of her singing. And EVEN ON A RECORDING she has horrible intonation issues. She's never on pitch, and her technique is uneven throughout her register. If she can't even sound good in a recording studio, she can't sing. Period.
Netrebko gets too much media attention I agree. Like more goodlooking young women at the beginning of their career (like Garanca) But she still is capable of a lot of things. Has any critc here heard and seen her live on stage? Great Romeo et Juliette's and Manon's. The E's in Lucia were problematic, I think she made her debut too quickly after her pregnancy if this indeed is a 2009 recording.
You are right Moffo could sing (not on the same level as the great sopranos like Callas, Tebaldi, Sutherland, Caballé, etc.) n also had class and grace, unlike Netrebko who is a whore and can't sing, She is hired because the Opera Director calls the call-girl service and they send Netrebko. The only thing i have to admit is that Netrebko is a beautiful woman, unlike Moffo who became beautiful only after her plastic surgeries, if u see her Madama Butterfly, Moffo has a diferent face.
Good for Moffo that in her time they did cara for her looks because after the surgeries she got more recognized. you can see that she was an other woman in the Madama Butterfly movie and a video of Parsifal. She was not a beautiful woman, she was not ugly. Any way, i like some of her singing. She could sing unlike whore Netrebko who has to show off her brests to cover for her lacj of voice and technique.
I agree. The initial problem is that she sang the "hard" repertoire almost immediately after insufficient training. In my opinion, she is no soprano for "bravura" singing (god forbid if she tries to sing Meyerbeer...) However, in regards to lighter operas, such as the Mozart (despite her poor german linguistics) and the "Bel Canto" realm (with the exception of Lucia,) she handles herself quite uniquely. L'Elisir d'Amore, for example. Yes, she lacks range and expeirence-Yet, she still is young.
Netrebko is good for people who prefer to watch instead of listening. That's why she is here. I have her in a lot of disasters, including Rigoletto (Munich). She was simply terrible.
I completely agree with you. What baffles me though is her popularity in Austria. In accordance to Austrian and German tradition, she all but should be excluded - she doesn't possess a range nor good technical ability. Like you said, all she gives is stage presence and charism. But yet people like Barenboim and the Vienna State Opera commend her? Either tradition is deteriorating, or muscians are sucking up to the popular crowd who appeal to sex and image. Are we throwing out talent to survive?
no wonder he had a cyst of his vocal chords
TheYoungTenor100 1 week ago
LOL Mr. Gedda here sings like Tarzan!
CartoonOperatics93 4 months ago
anna netrebko non è sopravvalutata
hoiho96 5 months ago
where are those fabulous Maria Callas cracks? like the 1959 Macbeth ones?
Orfeus80 6 months ago
@Orfeus80 Please post them.
AfroPoli 1 month ago
@AfroPoli they need to be in your precious collection.
Orfeus80 1 month ago
@AfroPoli does anyone have that video?
mumularatona 6 months ago
You have made a video series of this stuff?
TheWisemonkey8 6 months ago
ok this mistakes were really awful but c'mon they are human beings and they make mistakes, they still are great singers and admire them anyway...
Daniliz81 7 months ago
the thing is that voice sometimes is not there. . . there are so many things that can screw a performance
rubendrakkar 7 months ago
@AfroPoli because the cracks of Edgardo are non-scritti and probably Netrebko fixed her non-scritti Es...
charmeueueur 7 months ago
@wnesbitt
Not necessarily. It is often the case that those who shout out are educated opera fans and refuse to let a poor performance or a travesty on stage go unchecked. There are standards and it is unacceptable when big stars and the big opera houses do not meet them. The less criticism there is, the more opera, or any art suffers. The New York audience, based on the levels of cultural education one sees today, was most likely too sheepish to speak up.
CastleIvanhoe 7 months ago
Al I can say is that Anna Netrebko is just so goddam beautiful that I reckon no males in the audience would have cared much if she hit an ocassional bum note.
HaberfieldChiro 7 months ago
The New York audience for Netrebko are being polite. They would've raved if they'd thought she'd really got that High E. The people who shout out at performances are attention-seeking losers who mistakenly pride themselves on being music lovers but are nothing better than armchair divas.
wnesbitt1 7 months ago
Karan Armstrong is not out of tune, she is just out of vibrato and ring which make her less loud.
ThePavafan 7 months ago
I don't think Marsh singing Si Puo was that bad actually, the Ab needed more power but the tone and voice are great. Gedda and Villazon however were painful, and Netrebko's E flats were at least a semitone flat. The Aida clip is hilarious.
Beth29252 8 months ago
@AfroPoli Villazon didn't get to sing much anywhere after this... I was going to see him in Denmark (the infamous concert with 2 arias), good thing I didn't waste my time and money.
Drelnis 9 months ago
@AfroPoli I wonder why every ticket holder wouldn't be complaining for their money back at the end of the evening...
Drelnis 9 months ago
Is the VIllazon crack in maledetto sia linstante and Netrebko's horrid Ebs from the mad scene on the same night at the Met in 2009 lol?
Drelnis 9 months ago
@Drelnis
I really dont think so, cause in 2009 they broke up already, and Villazon got depression from that, how will they sing together again ???
sssss89219 7 months ago
For perspective, Enrico Caruso cracked on high notes several times in his career...usually in front of big audiences. They all make mistakes, and even the greatest singers have off nights.
BoyBeamish 9 months ago
Karan Armstrong is far away worse than Netrebko. Netrebko is not so out of tune but the last high note.
liszt80 9 months ago
2:01 Oh My God !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AchillesValda 10 months ago
Did Villazon just stop, clear and scratch his throat, wait for a few seconds and started over again? WTF
petion2010 10 months ago
But, i am agreed about Anna, she is overrated, which is sad from opera market....
MelWolff 1 year ago
hmmm sometimes happen, none of them are machines!, so...About Callas i would prefer to walking out of stage if i don't feel sure about it, than make a ridiculous moment.
MelWolff 1 year ago
Netrebko SUCKS!!!!
JennyzaS 1 year ago
You know, I'm just gonna bet that you don't get on stage much. Because if you did you would have a lot more respect for a lot of these flops. Ya some of them are because they're singing the wrong rep. But others....I mean with as famous as these people are (or were) there were recordings going non stop. Imagine if every time you stepped into the practice room somebody recorded it and put it on Youtube. No they aren't in the practice room, but they sing a lot and mistakes happen to everyone.
theredbari 1 year ago
I love how Callas just left. So dramatic.
zaklamp24 1 year ago
Oh god, if I hear the justification for average singers that "they are increasing the popularity of the art form (even though they average)" one more time...the same lame lame line is used to justify popera being sung in Idol and that other dumb second rate show on British TV about teaching c grade stars how to sing opera. It is not increasing the poularity of opera because it ISN'T opera. It's people TRYING to sing opera. The acidity towards Netrebko is probably a bit OTT but still, overrated!!
donerlich 1 year ago 10
@donerlich I wish I had a thousand thumbs up to give your for this comment. Thank you for stating the problem so succinctly. I wish more people understood it this way--I feel so alone sometimes.
phortion 1 year ago
afroPoli, i disagree that this video does not have any kind of mean intentions. your remarks about Nebtrebko were acid. by the way, to all the Netrebko naysayers, she has done wonders for spreading interest in the art form and is adored by countless adoring fans. And she brings not only singing but sensuality and good acting to her performances. despite your smug criticisms, her performances are sold out and the audiences scream for more.
louie1a 1 year ago
wht was wrong with karan armstrong's performance cuz i couldnt hear wht the problem was, can anyone tell me?
xEricTheGothx 1 year ago
Well, at least they had courage to TRY, fail and live with that,
instead ov others, sitting in their fat ass and only complaining...
rockmanx23 1 year ago 3
"Sie ist ein Ungeheuer - deine Tochter..." Applause! :o)))
nikodemus7777 1 year ago
bonisolli cracked on a TRANSPOSED de quella pira ... he tried to sang a C# .. not a C ... any way.. he cracked ...
Mrrsz1 1 year ago
Wow, worst thing to ever happen to you on stage. It's even worse when you are suppose to be a pro. Man that sucks.
operachik001 1 year ago
Thanks Anna for ruining the opera. Donizetti hates you too. Well no, hate implies some form of respect, so no, nobody hates you.
DottoreJojo 1 year ago
What happened to Callas?
ifbgb 1 year ago
When you go to a world class opera house you have the right to expect good singing. If you dislike what you hear you are entitled to air that opinion - discretely or outside the house. If the singing is horrible, then leave your seat and demand your money back but don't behave like an ape and start shouting.
Jaaakob 1 year ago
My voice hurts just listening to what villazon's chords must be going through! Ouch!
jrynz 1 year ago 3
I wish the German audiences were like this today. One should be twice as harsh today, because the most of the time you get singing like that Salome. But the audience applauds anything, be it in Cologne, Berlin, Munich or Bayreuth. I've seen the German public go MAD and crying bravo about singers who had killed each phrase of their role. It must be lack of knowledge and this totally provincial attitude of accepting anything, only because you've paid 80 euros and you have your diamonds on.
Pathetikos 1 year ago 5
0:48-0:55 makes me laugh pretty hard!
Gregsynth 1 year ago
Bravi tutti, ma Carreras non si batte!!!
MegaParzifal 1 year ago
AN is the Britney Spears of opera. She is thick as a brick, and her singing is abysmal. She is a success made by clever and aggressive marketing.
AfroPoli 2 years ago 22
She's ALWAYS FLAT on high notes! lol
Gregsynth 2 years ago
@AfroPoli
Her singing is beyond abysmal....lol
Gregsynth 1 year ago
@AfroPoli Oh! You're right! I can't believe people like her!
AlexVoltage 1 year ago
Netrebko sieht gut aus; ihr Singen ist schrecklich (Intonation, Textverständlichkeit). Was ist so toll an ihr??
belcantist 2 years ago
Everyone can have a bad day!
Rather unfair to chronicle it.
Some of the singers though do tend to show some floors on their technique.
mikkimus 2 years ago
Had no idea German audiences coul be so harsh
jrwilmott 2 years ago
I like netrebko, I think that she's a good opera singer, but not excelent -it's diferent-, she's just good... I don't understand why some people says that she sucks or she is bad. I mean since the point of view of the people who knows the opera i want to know.
peque1204 2 years ago
Netrebko is the most overrated of the century? Are you high? She is a star. She is beautiful live. She had just had a baby before that clip. Come on.....
searnold56 2 years ago
It's really sad to hear how the audience is so mean to shout "Shut up". I'd like to see if they can sing even a note.
In the other hand, I feel really sad about Rolando's case. As you wrote, he's got an excellent voice which sometimes cannot be controled by him.
ejrouge 2 years ago
confronting Christians against lions was also an Italian tradition. Tradition is not excuse for inappropriate behavior. I do it cause everybody else is doing it . Is childish.
BTW, booing is not the other side of cheering. Silence is. There was a time when people cheer each fucng high not.. it was ridiculous, it has mostly change tradition is not written in stone.
michonet77 2 years ago
Calvin Marsh's section makes me LOL every time!
Gregsynth 2 years ago
Wait...the Duke is not for Gedda?!? what? It was a wonderful role for him, he sang the hell out it. This is either when he was too old, or too tired, or too ill. Not sure. But it's not characteristic of his performance of the role throughout his career.
bradleyjenks 2 years ago 2
And from the comments in the video we should assume it's ok, acceptable or even appropriate in ANY way to boo a singer when it has a problem ? or 10.000 problems in a performance?
Asshole.
michonet77 2 years ago
What's wrong with booing? It's not hurting anyone.
33blueberries 2 years ago
As long as you consider the singer nobody..... of course it doesn't.
michonet77 2 years ago
Last time I checked, booing doesn't leave bruises. T
33blueberries 2 years ago
check again.
I'm going to send 1000 people to your job, to boo each time you make a typo.... let's see how that works.
It's, at the very least, disrespectful. Verbal aggression its not a football stadium..
Is acceptable only in the minds of frustrated people that enjoy humiliation. Arrogant people that needs desperately to show how much they know.
michonet77 2 years ago
And that, for those who boo to the singers accidents. Dont make me start with those absolutely convince they own the truth about how to stage an opera, and are willing to interrupt and disturb any idea that doesnt match their own preconception. Shameful.
michonet77 2 years ago
As an audience member who paid about $500AUD to see Dessay and Florez in Zimmerman's Sonnambula at the Met last year, I was pleased to hear the boos of other audience members. I myself did not boo, but I did stop applauding when the production team took their bows. And that was not, for me, about matching a preconception (this was the first Sonnambula I'd seen). It was about the undermining of the libretto through a faulty, poorly executed and, arguably, disrespectful production concept.
33blueberries 2 years ago
People pay a lot of money for other shows.... only opera is "circensian" enough for having such embarrassing responses.... not in ballet, nor theatre of any kind you'll find EVER such reactions..If there's something you don't like, you just leave, or you dont applaud at all.
It's just arrogant to think you're buying the rights to scream to someone for 5, 50, 500 or 5000 dollars. Actually, that explains A LOT of how that kind of audience think. Pitiful.
michonet77 2 years ago
We'll have to agree to disagree. Opera is a blood sport.
33blueberries 2 years ago
That's the problem... it's not a sport... it's art. And the people involved are (as a general rule, at least), sensitive people exposing themselves. That should grant them at the very least, if not the admiration, the respect of the audience. And that respect should show especially in those moments where, because is not a DVD, is a live show, things are not going as well as everybody would like.
Respect, empathy, recognition those are the key words.
cheers
michonet77 2 years ago
I checked again- still no bruises!
I agree, it is disrespectful, that's the point, to show one's displeasure at, usually, bad singing or bad production. What's more, it comes with the territory, by which I mean to say that a person who can't take a little booing in their stride shouldn't attempt a career as a singer or director. In most houses these days, bad singing and production get off lightly too, though that appears to be changing. The audience pays, alot, they have every right to boo.
33blueberries 2 years ago
Netrebko really is rather over-rated. I know she has her fans but objectively she is a good soprano but nothing more than that (which in itself is an achievement).
frederikkko 2 years ago 3
The problem is that she's cast in a myriad of coloratura roles... but when she's put in more lyric roles it's like listening to someone totally different. I think she has much more potential in Puccini or Verdi lyric roles rather than Bellini and Donizetti bel canto coloratura.
Jaydoggy531 2 years ago
Precisley. Why does she sing Lucia and Susanna (which I have seen her sing on here). Stick to the heavier Italian lit like Verdi and Puccini.
clarksc1988 2 years ago
The opera houses cast her because it sells tickets unfortunately. Her Mimi was pretty charming in my opinion. It's like it's becoming harder to find good coloraturas these days, probably because there are still so many people who say "Oh she's not as good as Sutherland" so they push aside a great deal of talented singers because they're not as good as their favorite.
Jaydoggy531 2 years ago
that is not the NY audience, that is Netrebko's claque of groupies. It's disgusting and shameful for the world of Opera, REAL opera.
eradesso 2 years ago
Thank you very much!
ElisabettaVS 2 years ago
What did Calvin Marsh do? I'm guessing WAY too much vibrato.
Gregsynth 2 years ago
Thank you for the prompt answer. Do you know which performance it was?
I just thought that she was barracked by the audience and therefore left.
ElisabettaVS 2 years ago
I don't understand what happened with Callas, she left the opera house, but why? Sorry, I don't get it, please help me out.
ElisabettaVS 2 years ago
@ElisabettaVS she had problems with her sinus she had always problems and that particular night she had it bad so on every top note she was in denger of craccking and vocaly puching that hurts
MAPIAKALLAS 1 year ago
@ElisabettaVS
I think because Corelli had had a breakdown. Corelli apparently went ballistic if people started booing him. Callas did have a wobble at the top, though, so maybe she was booed next!
runhardhooah 1 year ago
@runhardhooah What you write is not correct. In one of the older TV programs about Callas, the incident is commented very wisely by Lord Harewood. Callas did have some kind of cold or throat infection. In the first act she felt she was not delivering what audiences deserve when they pay to hear Maria Callas. She was such a professional that she would rather "take the flack" of walking out on the President of the Italian Republic than do a poor job. It was blown out of proportion by the media.
VivaRenata 1 year ago
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runhardhooah 1 year ago
@VivaRenata
I thank you kindly for adding to my small knowledge of opera history, something which I am aiming to expand, for I am a studying bass singer and have come to really enjoy opera. I have known Callas was an opera great, have heard that she has also been criticized with having a wobble in her voice at the top of her range, but did not know of this incident where she walked off the stage. Quite intriguing I must say. I imagine she only gained more respect by doing so.
runhardhooah 1 year ago
oh my lord.....did he really clear his throat....PAUSE... and just sing the note again....?...on the MET stage??.......who was the conductor???!...
gellibeangurl 2 years ago 22
@gellibeangurl armilliato
rezila 1 year ago
@gellibeangurl: Marco Armiliato was the conductor.
ilmaestro18 1 year ago
@gellibeangurl
armilliato
rezila 11 months ago
You are very tough regarding Netrebko. Yes, she is not very bright in Lucia, but she is still a good singer comparing to many many others. She is very original, and has a fire in her (now I am not just talking about sexiness). She has a good breath (very often she dances, and after sings without loosing her breathe).
And regarding her accent, I would tell everyone to remember that she is Russian. And for russians it is very hard to pronounce harsh sounds, like those in german.
varikozovna 2 years ago
This would be part of the reason why Villazon is undergoing vocal surgery. Perhaps in 5 years he won't be heard from again.
jrynz 2 years ago 2
This may sound like a crazy question but could somebody tell me what note(s) Alagna actually sings when he trying for the C in the first clip here?
Thanks
frederikkko 2 years ago
He hits a Bb then an A and then down to the G which fits it with the orchestra's C major chord to try and make it sound correct! Quite a good save really!
64ftContraBombarde 2 years ago
@64ftContraBombarde
Thank you. It is quite bizarre but I actually like what he does when it all goes wrong (and I'm not an Alagna fan at all!)
frederikkko 2 years ago
@64ftContraBombarde
Thanks for that information. Surprisingly, I rather like what he does when it all goes wrong ... taste and opera is a bizarre thing!
frederikkko 2 years ago
I agree, Netrebko is the most overrated singer of the past 50 years. She is horrible.
annanetrebkobasher 2 years ago 2
awesome-- RV is singing with a rock bottom supressed larynx and then through his nose-{"mask"} whatever--a mask covers, a mu term. how soviet system school of him with 2 opposing concepts and forces.
just easy sing like domingo-air and resonance-- and don't open the mouth like a python to a meal, it smashes down your cords--thanks again Afro-on to prt 3!
btsg 2 years ago
Really a great compendium artfully put together! Thank you!
I heard one tenor debut at SFO crack in "Puritani" and nearly knock Sills' wiglet off. No career for him!
nmcaia 2 years ago
jajaa villazon pelotudo
!!
siglinde86 2 years ago
Haha, I love all this stuff. Yes, indeed, half of Netrebko's career is based on her looks. European audiences also seem to be a lot more critical than audiences in North America.
tenoregermania 2 years ago 3
Oh, please. She has a terrific, beautiful voice but shouldn´t maybe not try to sing roles above the high c. Her Mimi is wonderful and I love to hear her Tosca in a couple of years...
dannymaestro 2 years ago
Oh give me a break. The woman has no sense of pitch.
nestersg 2 years ago
Por cierto tambien hay cosas muy raras que hacen algunos cantantes como por ejemplo te recomiendo que veas a Carlos Santoyo y tu dime si tiene 26, hizo hasta lo que no para entrar a dos concursos de canto lo curioso es que en el primero tiene creo que 26 y para el segundo tenia 25... otro extraño caso como el de Benjamin Button??
Babilonsion 2 years ago 3
Efectivamente, el "joven" Carlos Santoyo (un pseudo-bajo Mexicano) se ve mucho mas viejo de la edad limite que imponen los concurso en los que ha participado ultimamente (Carlo Moreli y concurso de canto de Sinaloa, por ejemplo).
Una de dos, o existe una irregularidad o esta persona padece de una terrible enfermedad que le envejece la cara prematuramente.
voiceteacher100 2 years ago
Aforpoli, la verdad estos videos nos demuestran que hasta los grandes cantantes tienes sus malos ratos, pero bueno que seria del mundo de la opera sin cosas chuscas y que a todos nos han tocado, por ejemplo nunca me imagine que Alagna realmente le no diera un agudo... jajaja esta muy comico pero ninguno como Carreras y Gedda aunque sigue siendo uno de mis tenores favoritos; por favor sube mas videos y pues cada quien es libre de manifestar su opinion
Babilonsion 2 years ago
callas rome 1958: it would have been so much simpler to go to the hospital!! But thank you for explaining WHY it was such a problem, I didn't know the other singers had not been informed, but that's not her fault, that's the organizers, anybody can be ill during a show, it has to be considered. There was also the fact that they had not planned for an understudy.
wattever333 2 years ago
European audiences have the balls to tell it like it is! I hear so many MET broadcasts that are simply awful and the audience ALWAYS lauds the performers like they are gods. WTF?
tommyopera 2 years ago 3
I agree with you Tommy we americans should boo those that dont work or are not up-to-part i know i did at the Walkure in LA opera can you believe they put a mezzo to sing Brunhilde omg her Cs weere hahahaah
MAPIAKALLAS 2 years ago
It sounds like Villazon might be getting nodules. I hope he takes time off and gets a hold of his voice.
tommyopera 2 years ago
Netrebko,is a sad joke. Those Met performances "Puritani" etc YUK.
Bartoli has lapsed into self- parady.
Fleming still can get it together.She san a beautiful Rusalka at the Met this year.
65attila 2 years ago
Anna Netrebko is so overrated.
65attila 2 years ago 2
Netrebko, Bartoli (once beautiful now an aspirating shrieker) and Renee Fleming - all unbearable to my ears. Tasteless and crude.
vstasov 2 years ago
It sounds as if the singers are overcome by the madness of their characters!!
gloria25031 2 years ago
I can´t find anything unusual in these scenes with Netrebko and Villazon? Is this not the way in which they always sing?
Dekyi1210 2 years ago 2
Also these great singers are human beings, this videos show how enormously diffucult many of these arias are. Let´s make them mistakes and enjoy even more if they get it. Nobody can always b
kiepura1902 2 years ago 3
Thank you, kiepura1902. I subscribe to every word! "Poiche noi siam uomini di carne e d'ossa"
frufruJ 2 years ago
thx for videos man,seeing great fail gives us some confort...and people booing and commenting,well,what the hell do they know? only thing they understand is high and loud...the ones that realy understand singers ( their techique and hard work,people that have some "music in them") will NEVER comment out loud during the opera. its just stupid imho
septichka 2 years ago 2
Bonisolli forever!! :)
pagatwarrior 2 years ago 2
Of course: Franco forever. He was the last great tenor and real artist.
Dekyi1210 2 years ago
I hate to be immature, but I can only imagine James Levine's face (granted he conducted) at 2:05. Villazon is quite lucky; if he was in Berlin and "commited" this, he would have been booed off the stage. James Levine shows alot of mercy by continuing. After all, Karajan or Bohm would have long since left.
NnFfBb 2 years ago
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kdybyneco 2 years ago
@kdybyneco: Plně souhlasím! (a zdravím, krajane :-) ) Myslím, že tohle by si měli přečíst všichni (ale připravil jste mi tam pár "překladatelských oříšků" ;-) ) Tahle sbírka mne také rozesmutnila. Jestli nesouhlasíte, řekněte, já smažu!
Only, so that other people can understand: "And to whom does not this happen. We're just people ... to condemn the top singers, that they slip ... who doesn't slip?"
frufruJ 2 years ago
Actually, Netrebko had the same problem at the aria "addio" in the famous Salzburg Traviata DVD
lxr0913 2 years ago 2
Cruel but so so funny!!! In fact Villazon's having surgery for nodules now...More videos please! Some Carreras would be appreciated!
Englishtenor2 2 years ago
From 5:15 to 5:20: AfroPoli forgot to place the audience's comments in red:
Italian: Buuu!!!! Pazzo!!!! Pazzo!!!! Pazzo!!
English: Boo!!!! Crazy!!!! Crazy!!!!! Crazy!!!!
Stereo4102 2 years ago
Thanks. Actually, the "pazzo, pazzo" you hear is Bonisolli speaking in German. He says: "trocken, trocken, Waser, Wasser!" (dry, dry, water, water) while some people are booing.
AfroPoli 2 years ago
Ha, ha!!! Thanks for the correction, but that audio was too hard to understand, so I hardly listened with my headphones!!! LOL!!!!
Stereo4102 2 years ago
Domingo overrated. In Hamburg is the most adored opera singer ever. For one reason. perfect singing for more than 30 years. ALAGNA! is done. Villazon at 35 is worst than Di Stefano at 30, which is terrible. Does he want another vocal cord surgery this year too? He has one year to abandon 80% of his repertoire or is done. He is cracking every month!
greattenors 2 years ago
Can't you upload something from Joseph Calleja, every note is horrible!
diomipoteviscagliar 2 years ago
I actually planned to include him in the next part. I hate Calleja, he is like Bocelli. The worst thing is that some crazy fans now call him the "new Björling". They must be deaf.
AfroPoli 2 years ago
They are not Crazy fans, they are people who have heard him live. You equate him with Bocelli because he has a fast vibrato, but his voice carries and bathes the audience in sounds. Sorry but you are mistaken, I promise you. Of course you do not have to love his voice, this is a matter of a taste, but he is not a fake, nor is he inferior in any way.
hightenor123 2 years ago 3
I have heard him live too. I equate him with Bocelli because his voice is thin like the one of Bocelli. He is loud, that is the only difference. His technique is horrible.
AfroPoli 2 years ago
Can somebody dub Netrebko's voice to a fat and ulgy woman? I wish I knew how to do that.
heartstrings76 2 years ago
Who has not cracked on the Pagliacci prologue?? LOL. These are all arias that are longing for someone to crack on the high notes, Ouch!! Thanks goodness that it happens to even the best.
ykaiilah 2 years ago 2
Exactly, and all except for that note, Marsh was GLORIOUS!! CHE SUONO!!
33blueberries 2 years ago
It should be mentioned that Callas walkoff was not because of a performing or voice problem.
As far as I remeber she was very sick. The press made a huge story out of that but her only fault was that she did not read the apology note to the audience which Meneghini wrote for her .
chris99103 2 years ago
Anyone ever hear Corelli crack? ;)
jontew 2 years ago
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jontew - I didn't hear him, but he did crack. The following is from the pages of Bel Canto Society, Corelli in conversacion with Stefan Zucker:
"FC: At Spoleto, in 1951, in Aïda cracked my throat."
"Franco tells us about his sucking of sponges and how that led to some embarrassment... a mistake in Corelli's commercial recording of Chénier; EMI/Angel's release of a Norma with a CRACKED note from Corelli--he's never forgiven them..."
Herur22 2 years ago
God, Netrebko is SOOO flat at Lucia's high Eb, good Lord... thanks a lot for your videos, they're great! ;);) Truly educational ;)
nimmidiel 2 years ago 3
I was there at that Lucia!
uggy999 2 years ago
c est pas gentille met toi a leur places qu on aussi boufone
cenerentola62 2 years ago
oh my god Rolando Villazon i feel bad for him im glad i was lucky to hear him in good voice or should i say before he destroy his voice like that horrible
MAPIAKALLAS 2 years ago 4
What about Domingo? If singers with such great high notes as Pavarotti and Gedda missed high notes in performance, then all the more Domingo, wow, he must have had a LOT of missed notes, even with the arias being sung in a lower key.
Milordvega 2 years ago
Maria Callas , larger than life!
What a pazzo, that Bonisolli. Do you also have one presentation of Il Trovatore in Barcelona, where after he cracks on the (interpolated) high C's of "All'armi!" in "Di Quella Pira" at the end of the Act, and the audience is not giving him a big ovation during the curtain calls, he suddenly for no reason sings a high C just to show he can do it ?!?!?! Gigione!
Milordvega 2 years ago
No, I do not have that. Sounds like fun! In quanto a Domingo: I do not have such terrible cracks with him, and I have never heard such bad ones. That's how it is, sorry.
AfroPoli 2 years ago
Oh yes that Bonisolli must have been fun and he was the first tenor I heard, as I saw on TV this 60's movie of La Traviata which Bonisolli with Anna Moffo (much better than Netrebko!).
As for Domingo, no apology needed. He is a great tenor but more for the overall musicality and versatility and not for pure beauty of voice and singing ability. Of all great tenors in world history, he had the least impressive high register, though in zarzuela music, his high A's and B's could be good. Thanks!
Milordvega 2 years ago
Domingo a great tenor for puzzlewits
antitenor 2 years ago
Funny. I had three different messages, with varying messages. In one, I had bad things to say about Domingo, in the other, I was more positive. And in all three messages, I got negative ratings. (sigh)
The audience clapped for Netrebko even after the bad high E's because they did not want to boo today's opera darling... for her looks more than her voice.
Milordvega 2 years ago
dunderhead couillon
antitenor 2 years ago 3
That face at the end is a little creepy.
LightSpeed99999 2 years ago
Because booing is fascism.
SENAFOREVER 2 years ago
Booing is not fascism
benitosolomini 2 years ago
Netrebko and Villazon, the most overrated singers of this century, both promoted by Mingo (where is the Do) who has utilized opera for years to his own benefit.
operapimp 2 years ago 5
I think Netrebko is still a very nice singer with a great raw material
Though, she's not made for bel canto
tetasdevirgen 2 years ago
Thank you! Great idea and very interesting. Only one thing: Bonisolli in Hamburg was not complete, you cut it so that the end is missing. I was there and recorded it too.
Andi6205 2 years ago 2
That berliner spectator is a maniac, a coward and a fascist.
SENAFOREVER 2 years ago
I see s sensitive Fosch
bobrideout 2 years ago
correction Frosch
bobrideout 2 years ago
Of course I meant that guy booing and shouting in the audience, not the berliner public in general.
Ich bitte Sie, I love Berlin and germans from all my heart, how could you misinterpret my words?
SENAFOREVER 2 years ago
Oh dear...you can't help feeling sorry for them.
Netrebko? Well one thing I admire is that she sticks things out. She could have walked out of Lucia, but she came back and completed the run, which took guts.
So many singers stick with a few roles and play safe - which is boring. Netrebko at least is adventurous. But her voice - apart from Eflats - is starting to sound worn. She should never have attempted bel canto. And her attention to words is perfunctory.
Vsevolod14 2 years ago
I have seen Netrebko live, and watched videos and listened to recordings of her singing. And EVEN ON A RECORDING she has horrible intonation issues. She's never on pitch, and her technique is uneven throughout her register. If she can't even sound good in a recording studio, she can't sing. Period.
tjb286 2 years ago 2
Netrebko gets too much media attention I agree. Like more goodlooking young women at the beginning of their career (like Garanca) But she still is capable of a lot of things. Has any critc here heard and seen her live on stage? Great Romeo et Juliette's and Manon's. The E's in Lucia were problematic, I think she made her debut too quickly after her pregnancy if this indeed is a 2009 recording.
martello79 3 years ago 3
That's pretty right.
callastoujours 3 years ago
funny guy
bobrideout 3 years ago
Nebeshiku-Anothe point. Moffo had class and grace. Netrebko has none -she's operatic centerfold.
TheInquisitive4Ever 3 years ago 2
You are right Moffo could sing (not on the same level as the great sopranos like Callas, Tebaldi, Sutherland, Caballé, etc.) n also had class and grace, unlike Netrebko who is a whore and can't sing, She is hired because the Opera Director calls the call-girl service and they send Netrebko. The only thing i have to admit is that Netrebko is a beautiful woman, unlike Moffo who became beautiful only after her plastic surgeries, if u see her Madama Butterfly, Moffo has a diferent face.
NEBESHIKU 3 years ago
I do not know about Moffo's surgical history nor do I care. My interest in her is purely operatic!
TheInquisitive4Ever 3 years ago
Good for Moffo that in her time they did cara for her looks because after the surgeries she got more recognized. you can see that she was an other woman in the Madama Butterfly movie and a video of Parsifal. She was not a beautiful woman, she was not ugly. Any way, i like some of her singing. She could sing unlike whore Netrebko who has to show off her brests to cover for her lacj of voice and technique.
NEBESHIKU 3 years ago
Please, we shouldn´t use such words with such ease! Whore! She is a nice person with a small child! Moffo did nude shootings!
And her voice is OK, she just chooses wrong repertory in the last years.
DemisLian 2 years ago
I agree. The initial problem is that she sang the "hard" repertoire almost immediately after insufficient training. In my opinion, she is no soprano for "bravura" singing (god forbid if she tries to sing Meyerbeer...) However, in regards to lighter operas, such as the Mozart (despite her poor german linguistics) and the "Bel Canto" realm (with the exception of Lucia,) she handles herself quite uniquely. L'Elisir d'Amore, for example. Yes, she lacks range and expeirence-Yet, she still is young.
NnFfBb 2 years ago
Netrebko is good for people who prefer to watch instead of listening. That's why she is here. I have her in a lot of disasters, including Rigoletto (Munich). She was simply terrible.
AfroPoli 2 years ago
I completely agree with you. What baffles me though is her popularity in Austria. In accordance to Austrian and German tradition, she all but should be excluded - she doesn't possess a range nor good technical ability. Like you said, all she gives is stage presence and charism. But yet people like Barenboim and the Vienna State Opera commend her? Either tradition is deteriorating, or muscians are sucking up to the popular crowd who appeal to sex and image. Are we throwing out talent to survive?
NnFfBb 2 years ago