doubt it, Rome wasn't as good as people pretend it to be. Peace and prosperity? More like continual war, razing, and tributes from colonies. Rome has its place in history, but it is not a model for a Free World.
Have you read any of the series by Kirk Mitchell "Procurator", "New Barbarians" and "Cry Republic"? Takes place in a world of Rome where it must contend with the different empires that last as well (i.e. Aztic, China.) However he suggest the technology would not develop as fast because of the use of slavery that its senate does not wish to end and the power of the emperior has changed very little, except to have gotten worse in its abuse.
@Eristof260 Maybe not,considering that Pax Romana relied on the military, and very seldom was there an age of Empire without some war at some place, even within the Empire. Not to mention any expansion would have possibly brought them into contact with civilizations that did not want to become part of that. Consider also that they became to large (at the time) to rule easly and therefore had to split. Imagine if they had continued to grow. There might have been many many world war.
all of you whom are saying EUROPE would be a midieval Empire are wrong. It would be the hold world! plus we would be 500 years ahead in tech becouse we lost 500 years of technology when Rome fell. See how you were all wrong? Now bow your head before the magnificence of Rome! Qui Mortem Vindicare Maiestatem Ordemo Senatus Roma!
romans n greeks were impostors they learned everythin from the atlanteans(basques today) the etruscans(also atlanteans) schooled them..the ungrateful bastards made us think the atlanteans didnt even exist wtf..evil rats
@Sereniama don't think you rome would have superpower then. Because the Ninjas from japan,Chinese people with their Kung fu and russians With their vodka and Spetsnaz
Would also crack a bottle or two on the battlefield. What i mean is that if the romans would still rule the "world" the most populated countries nowadays would be dangerous enemies for the Romans.
The main reason Rome fell was because it was to big... the borders where to long.
When the horses of the Huns had a major disease the come to new lands and drove old tribes to east Europe. This tribes had to move to the borders of the empire. The empire did not have strength to let them immigrate into the empire. The tribes who cross the borders made the system fall. The Roman legions where in all Europe and couldn't protect the main capital.
I hoped to see a vid about the empire, but I like the Thought.
If Rome never fell than we would have no middle ages.
So the time between 450 and 1700 would not have existed ... that is 1250 years the European mankind has lost. That means we had now visitid planets outside this galaxy.
No wars on this planet because all the things they make wars about would be solved already.
If rome never fell europe would still be in the middle ages. Out of the dark ages emerged powerful european countries such as france, england ,austia , spain, and Portugal. Without those countries, advancements like the scientific evolution, age of exploration, and the enlightenment would have never occurred. European countries were always in stiff competition with each other, thus resulting in many technological advancements (guns).
If rome never fell never fell, there would be no competition in europe, thus little advancement in technology. Rome would have just stagnated like the other empires in the world. Besides the byzantine empire is the roman empire that lasted 1000 years after rome, they never suffered the dark ages, instead they prospered. Have you seen the byzantines(romans) develop rocketships?
Ironic... you must be unfamiliar with the practices of war. Especially for roman soldiers.
The spoils of battle were split between soldiers, and if any women were present, they were..."deflowered", against their will... It was frowned upon, and only the lowest of ranks participated in such debauchery, but... Rome was just as responsible for as much murder as any other civilization. Granted, they were advanced for their time, and their engineers were geniuses.. they were smart.
yes, and events that happened because of these european countries would have never happened at all, for example the Renaissance, the enlightenment, the scientific revolution, and later the industrail revolution. If rome never fell, europe would now be a stagnated medival empire, like persia or the qing dynasty.
758BC-1453AD the Roman civilization lasted 2400 years. Roman Empire 1500 years, Roman Republic 450 years, and the Roman monarchy lasted 250 years give or take. What a remarkable history. The reach of this glorious civilization is truly vast, because almost everything we do, is in one way or another connected to ancient Rome.
@Zeta439 Rome fell due to its military conquests that it couldn't afford,and they had so many troops spread abt in different lands that it left the empire week to be conqured,Reminds me of america now days to be honest...Rome at the time was a mixture of paganism and christianity,due to emporer constatine uniting the two religions which is why most people don't understand that christmas and easter are really pagan holidays...so that kind of comment isn't true my friend...
@Zeta439 yeah I'm not trying to start a debate of any sort,but as a christian,it bothers me when people make these type of comments,such as blaming the fall of an empire on religion.when in every sense and form its always deeper than that,you know.I personally understand that religion in every form is corrupt,but the people as a whole,if living up to their beliefs,don't believe in the suffering of others for any reason.its the powers in charge who are wrong,and who create our problems..
@TheI80082 it was ALSO the christianism influences, and of course the migration of the barbarian populations from the north-east, forced or unforced by other populations (Huns?)
@TheI80082 The human stupidity is infinite, that's why it lasted until the middle 1400. And you forget the cultural differences in the Byzantine Empire and the invasion of the Mongol Empire.
@Zeta439 The Roman empire fell because it's citizens wanted more and more from the government. Government's only responsability is to regulate trade, form treaties, and national defense.
I am 14 years old i dont know alot buti did know that the romans where a great empire and they conquer other lands in europe and in africa if iam right the germanic and gothics enter rome destroying its republic and there was a civil war in rome so that hit the romans so yea =3= any one want to tell me feel free i love history
if the great Rome had not fallen i believe the empire would have resolitifed itself into the largest republic ever to be built, a world republic with a good enough army to keep it that way, and i would gladly serve its senate
@falloutmind It's the characteristic of republics not to be on macro-scale. Rome lost its republic amid its expansionist fervor. Empires inevitably decay. Byzantium lasted a millennium, but seemingly only remembered by the laypersons for its "Waterloo" in 1453 AD. Contrast its strategy with that of Rome.
The treaty that created the EU was signed in Rome, they must have done that intentionally or it is a message to the world that the greatest Empire earth has ever seen shall rise again!
We already surpassed the USA as biggest economy, our national armies combined form the largest unified army on earth!
@s2srea Plus it survived in the East for another thousand years and became the Greek Orthodox Church and in part Russian Orthodox. Essentially Christians everywhere (perhaps even Protestants) worship and live under the banner of Roman institutions. Rome still controls the world in some way or another.
Due to the roman empire being a conquering nation their defeat was simply due to the fact that they ran out of people to conquer. Soon inflation became apparent in the empire, the legions lost loyalty, & the barbarians slow but steadily carved into the empire. Sorry but this is simply impossible
When you think about it... most of our history today is mainly because of the Roman Empire. I do wonder what the world would be like today if the empire never existed.
@SteinbrecherBack Yea, I understand the technicalities. Effectively, although not the same, you can see the Catholic church as the illegitimate son of the empire, who metaphorically speaking has grown just as powerful as SPQR once was. I guess religion is harder to beat than an army. :D
@SteinbrecherBack the empire was already in decline before the advent of the catholic church. Pope Leo, saved the city of rome from invasion, the Huns were about to sack the city, but Leo came and talked the Attila to spare the Eternal City. Stop jumping on the band wagon and study some history before you write down your asinine comments about the catholic church.
@elysium76 Well, my university studies of HISTORY, particularly Antiquity, of the last 6 years tell me you're probably some fanatic Catholic that sees the church as innocent of everything. If you think the empire only went down because it suffered military defeat, I suggest you don't study more history, I suggest you START studying it in the first place. Also, in the time the empire BEGINS falling apart, there is not yet the "Catholic" church.
@SteinbrecherBack I have been studying roman history much more than your 6 years of "study", of course you have a bias against the catholic church which is quite evident by your post. The empire was already in decline prior to the advent of the catholic church.
@elysium76 So, "doctor" or "professor", which university would you be teaching at? I'm Catholic myself, but I don't see the church through pink glasses. I never said the church (MARK: THE CHURCH, NOT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH; if you don't know the difference, you're a pretty big human failure) was solely responsible; I said it was a big step in the decline, and so it was.
I actually wondered this sitting in class the other day. While the Roman Empire certiantly had some skeletons in their closet, they DID treat conquored lands with not only mercy, but generousity.
@VolvenIV What civilization didn't have slavery? Your accusations of genocide are purely ideological not historical. We never exterminated a single people we conquered, we assimilated them & let them continue their religious beliefs. Carthage was the only exception & they got what they deserved. When we conquered Greece, we rebuilt and preserved Athens. We contributed many things to the world. Who are you to judge? Show me a place in history w/o evil. Ironically for you, we still exist.
@Praetorian107 Blah blah blah excuses. Im not going to bother argueing with you. Btw stop talking like you're a Roman, you're not, so don't be offended by a fact.
Empires rise, empire fall...as italian I have only one big regret: Rome fell in 476 dc and Italy became a united and indipendent country just 1400 years later !
@goodyears73 Your regret should not lie with the removal of Romulus Augustulus but rather centuries earlier, when the empire began falling apart... Face facts, trying to imagine what Europe would look like today if the Latin-Roman Empire had not ceased to be in late Antiquity is pointless, because there simply was no alternative to it happening.
@SteinbrecherBack I dont try to imagine what Europe would look like, just Italy. Empires rise and fall, it's matter of time. I have no regrets abt great roman empire, anyway IMHO one the main reason of italian weakness among european countries is due to extremely delayed birth of an indipendent state compared to France, Spain or UK. Rome collapsed and no king or central power has been able to rule over italian penisula and create an italian state 1000 ys ago, instead of 150 ys
@goodyears73 Well, you can basically find examples that go with that for every modern state apart from England (as the heart of the UK). Germany had a king but every territorial prince always took power from him as much as possible. Spain was divided into many kingdoms, that only changed in the Early Modern. And while France was always centralistic, big parts of it belonged to England for a very long time and there were masses of secessionist movements, especially in the South.
@SteinbrecherBack I disagree... Spain, France, England were already a state centuries before Italy, the only exception among big european countries is Germany.
No king to unify and defend italian territory emerged from the ruins of Rome and we missed any form of continuity from roman empire to Italy...it's a pity. And last but not least, we had Pope too... two thrones were too much in Rome !
@goodyears73 By Rome do you mean the city or the empire? The roman empire continued from constantinople until 1453 and italy was even taken for a short time by the eastern romans
@ROBHUGHES1453 Well, we know roman empire splitted in two parts: eastern roman empire with Costantinople (which fall in 1453 d.c.) and western roman empire. I just think and wonder why no "italian" state ruling over our peninsula born on the ruins of Rome on about 500 d.c.
@sotopete Apart from the fact that surprisingly little actually remains of all the points you counted and rather tends to be derived from other cultures (predominantly Germanic ones in South, West, Middle and North Europe), that which does remain did not survive all that time but had to be dug up centuries later.
@SteinbrecherBack well im agree that i say it with exageration, but trust me, at least for the southern european countries, the roman law, customs, the "Imperium Universalitas", etc (the idea of a global empire, that christians knowledge later impulse) are the "backbone", the central part, that it, we are desarrollated actual justice, state, kind of view, and other many things
@warpunk1 It was Latin, and no, it is the "father" of the 5 "romantic languages" Spanish, French, Italian, Portuguese and Romanian. None of these languages are even remote to Greek, the Greek alphabet is nothing like the Latin alphabet.
@SzymanskiTheRestorer Well..except that half of Italy belonged to Greeks even before Rome was built. Therefore it is undeniable that a great deal of Greek culture ( including the alphabet ) was transfered to Romans...along with a bit of Etruskian
@Onufripos your right about most of the latin culture is from the greek culture but not the alphabet it is their own invention, at least the sort of alphabet, not the invention of writing
One could argue that russia became the true decendent of the Roman Empire because the byzantine government and culture had massive influece there, so the USSR truly killed the Empire, but I digress.
They did,not with all but with many tribes,but they remained unruly,and the Imperial central authority was so corrupt and weak,they had no problems in replacing it.
Rome to have survived,would have to remain pagan,and religiously tolerant,and to reduce the extreme corruption,and in that sense to recentralize the power by destroying the provincial authorities,that wagered between fidelity to the Emperor,and self gain,a authentic pre feudalism.
If Rome had never fallen or split in two... I could immagine the solar system being colonized. to hell with having an industrial revolution or any of the "advances" in technology being later then the Forteenth Century AD. By the Tenth Century Rome, if they maintained their strength, might have had the entire world in it's grasp realitically speaking. But while fun to imagine what might have been, it is no use dwelling on it for too long. We can only try and aspire to their greatness. Viva Roma!
Rome already reached steam industrialization in the 3rd century,apart from many other things that we will never known,never ceding to christianism,maybe in the 8th century they would be already as advanced as we are today.
I think it was historian Will Durant who once speculated that if the Roman Empire had successfully conquered Germany, then it is entirely possible it would have advanced to the line of the Vistula and Dniester Rivers. This would have been a much shorter frontier than the Rhine-Danube, and much easier to defend. Thus keeping the Empire from being invaded.
@MyJibJib, I can understand were you are coming from with the Chinese but the Mongles conquered a bunch of desert and fields, didn't do anything in contributing to history, and lasted only 100 years. It gets me so mad when people say the Mongles were the best Empire ever because the have more territory. What would you rather have: The Russian fields? or the Mediteranian Sea as your private lake?
@aSecondCaesar The Mongols weren't the BEST, but definitely one of the best. And you are quite wrong...the Mongols did connect the West and East and had better religious tolerance than even the Romans. Weren't the Romans cruel oppressors of the Jews? Anyways, ancient China was much greater than the Mongols and even then they were technologically advanced for all their time with ancient Rome.
@Person005 Yeah, and Marshall Applewhite thought he was going to live with aliens... what is your point? Rus is not Rome despite their attempted co-optation.
@thescarletprophetess My point is that many nations like to say they're carrying on the legacy of the Romans. The Russians say it, you and many others assert that the United States is, Germans had been saying it until Hitler got a hold of that idea and wove it into his ideology.
In reality, Roman influence exists in the overall Western culture. It isn't owned by any one state or people.
@Person005 While I agree with you that many nations have attempted to co-opt Rome, when we look at each of them objectively which seems to have the most amount of historical and societal parallels with Rome while at the same time not openly shouting "we're the new rome!!!" or calling themselves the "third rome"? In my opinion it is the USA.
@thescarletprophetess The USA is less than 3 centuries old and they are already showing signs of decline. I doubt they can be historically compared to a state that lasted longer than 1000 years.
@panarkas I'd have to disagree with you. The times we live in are different. Nations can basically be wiped out with bomb nowadays. I think people mostly compare Rome with the USA in terms of power anyway, not longevity, which is accurate.
@Atheistic89 If you count the Byzantine Empire as well it is almost 2000 years, but I don't consider it a continuation of the original Roman Empire. Especially after the 7th century, the influence of Latin people in the Byzantine Empire was minimal to zero.
@panarkas byzantine empire in 7th century was totally different from the roman empire...ok...but how Costantino's empire was different from Traiano's empire . their territories came from the old empire..so..it's a continuation. It's true that influence of latin people in the eastern roman empire it was stopped by the death of the dream of restauratio imperi , but the roman empire was always divide in two different cultural areas. greek language was used in all the oriental provinces
@ComradeMing It depends on how you are qualifying "10 leagues above" - like how did you mean that - because for its day, Rome wasn't even a global hegemon, whereas the USA is. Its a matter of Rome 1st millenium vs. Rome on a qualitatively higher 3rd millenium scale... Which features of Rome did you find "leagues above"? Romans enslaved populations, the USA is Imperialist also... Romans watched people devoured by Lions in the colosseum, Americans have hollywood for that. They seem the same to me.
Assuming that the empire was able to maintain its borders to their fullest extent, no fall of the Roman Empire would have meant that Islam would have never spread beyond the southern Arabian desert, there would have been no dark ages, there would have been no rise of nationalism (or at least it would not have been successfully implemented) and no WW1 or WW2. Hard to imagine all of those changes and hard to say if the world would be better or worse off overall.
@kalbahamut In the original Star Trek tv show, there was an episode "Bread and Circuses", where they find a "parallel Earth" where the Roman Empire never fell, and had basically developed to the industrial level of 1960's Earth. There's a point in the story where one of the characters mentions that there hadn't been a major war on this "other Earth" for over 600 years. And Spock compares it to Earth's history: "10 million killed in WWI, 40 million in WWII, 70 million in WWIII...shall I go on?"
@farmerne sure, go on. I guess we're assuming that the producers of Star Trek have a magic device which allows them to see into alternate realities because otherwise the 600 years without war thing would be a bit ridiculous. The Roman Empire was virtually in a state of constant warfare.. somewhere.. either brutally putting down internal uprisings, or warring with minor powers on the empire's borders. There were other problems, too. Nero. Caligula. slavery. gladiators. Shall I go on?
doubt it, Rome wasn't as good as people pretend it to be. Peace and prosperity? More like continual war, razing, and tributes from colonies. Rome has its place in history, but it is not a model for a Free World.
LordKaisen 13 hours ago
The Senate and People of Europe! :)
FieldMarshalRommel23 14 hours ago
if Rome had not fallen our tech would be like 800 years more advanced possibly! and well things would be wierd
Kinyar22 19 hours ago
thumps up for the flag^^
1990alucard 1 day ago 4
@1990alucard thanks :)
alternatehistorypt 1 day ago
@alternatehistorypt Where can I find that picture?
Khristophoros1001 4 hours ago
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Was the Roman Empire and ancient China both great civilizations?
VanillaSnow23 3 days ago
Have you read any of the series by Kirk Mitchell "Procurator", "New Barbarians" and "Cry Republic"? Takes place in a world of Rome where it must contend with the different empires that last as well (i.e. Aztic, China.) However he suggest the technology would not develop as fast because of the use of slavery that its senate does not wish to end and the power of the emperior has changed very little, except to have gotten worse in its abuse.
candr 4 days ago
@candr I've heard about those books but never red them. One day perhaps I might :)
alternatehistorypt 4 days ago
interesting well 2000 years of peace i'd say, no ww1, no ww2
Eristof260 4 days ago
@Eristof260 Maybe not,considering that Pax Romana relied on the military, and very seldom was there an age of Empire without some war at some place, even within the Empire. Not to mention any expansion would have possibly brought them into contact with civilizations that did not want to become part of that. Consider also that they became to large (at the time) to rule easly and therefore had to split. Imagine if they had continued to grow. There might have been many many world war.
candr 4 days ago
HELL ROME TOTAL WAR GAME WOULD BE EVEN MORE EPIC HAHAHA!
YorkGod1 6 days ago
all of you whom are saying EUROPE would be a midieval Empire are wrong. It would be the hold world! plus we would be 500 years ahead in tech becouse we lost 500 years of technology when Rome fell. See how you were all wrong? Now bow your head before the magnificence of Rome! Qui Mortem Vindicare Maiestatem Ordemo Senatus Roma!
RomaInAeternum 6 days ago
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romans n greeks were impostors they learned everythin from the atlanteans(basques today) the etruscans(also atlanteans) schooled them..the ungrateful bastards made us think the atlanteans didnt even exist wtf..evil rats
MiamiDolphinsClyde10 6 days ago
lol bullshit, and we all complain about human rights violations? Holy shit rome was the epitome of fail in that regard.
LordKaisen 1 week ago
PAN LATINISM, IS THE ANSWER!!! UNITED LATIN NATIONS, A FEDERATION LIKE NAPOLEON WOULD, FRANCE, ITALY, SPAIN AND PORTUGAL ! Federal Latin Union !
MachinasDeusEx 1 week ago
Europe is a foot of Navuhudonosor's statue. North Africa, Asia and Western Europe - this is the Gog and Magog -Rome Empire. =)
MyPopori 1 week ago
@Sereniama don't think you rome would have superpower then. Because the Ninjas from japan,Chinese people with their Kung fu and russians With their vodka and Spetsnaz
Would also crack a bottle or two on the battlefield. What i mean is that if the romans would still rule the "world" the most populated countries nowadays would be dangerous enemies for the Romans.
TheUrbab 1 week ago
i reckon a world where rome never fell would be pretty good
3Slim3Shady3 1 week ago
The main reason Rome fell was because it was to big... the borders where to long.
When the horses of the Huns had a major disease the come to new lands and drove old tribes to east Europe. This tribes had to move to the borders of the empire. The empire did not have strength to let them immigrate into the empire. The tribes who cross the borders made the system fall. The Roman legions where in all Europe and couldn't protect the main capital.
JWPemperor 1 week ago
I hoped to see a vid about the empire, but I like the Thought.
If Rome never fell than we would have no middle ages.
So the time between 450 and 1700 would not have existed ... that is 1250 years the European mankind has lost. That means we had now visitid planets outside this galaxy.
No wars on this planet because all the things they make wars about would be solved already.
JWPemperor 1 week ago
@JWPemperor
If rome never fell europe would still be in the middle ages. Out of the dark ages emerged powerful european countries such as france, england ,austia , spain, and Portugal. Without those countries, advancements like the scientific evolution, age of exploration, and the enlightenment would have never occurred. European countries were always in stiff competition with each other, thus resulting in many technological advancements (guns).
ironmantis25 1 week ago
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If rome never fell never fell, there would be no competition in europe, thus little advancement in technology. Rome would have just stagnated like the other empires in the world. Besides the byzantine empire is the roman empire that lasted 1000 years after rome, they never suffered the dark ages, instead they prospered. Have you seen the byzantines(romans) develop rocketships?
ironmantis25 1 week ago
@ironmantis25
FUCK PORTUGAL!
exuemensajeru 1 week ago
If Rome wouldnt fall we wouldnt have mass immigration and niggers raping and killing in europe.
AdamForExample 1 week ago
@AdamForExample
Ironic... you must be unfamiliar with the practices of war. Especially for roman soldiers.
The spoils of battle were split between soldiers, and if any women were present, they were..."deflowered", against their will... It was frowned upon, and only the lowest of ranks participated in such debauchery, but... Rome was just as responsible for as much murder as any other civilization. Granted, they were advanced for their time, and their engineers were geniuses.. they were smart.
ArtistikVision 1 week ago
@ArtistikVision Yeah well this was a long time ago.. the world develops... Except Islam.
AdamForExample 1 week ago
pretty boring anthem.
Jagdstahl 1 week ago
@Jagdstahl By good god! This music is beautiful! It reminds me of the unity Europe once had!
vanbismark 1 week ago in playlist Roma
If rome never fell then the british empire wouldnt have existed
Lockstock97 2 weeks ago 8
@Lockstock97 probably, thanks for watching my video :)
alternatehistorypt 2 weeks ago
@Lockstock97 if Rome didn't fall, half of Europe countries wouldn't have existed.
Mixajlo93 1 week ago
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yes, and events that happened because of these european countries would have never happened at all, for example the Renaissance, the enlightenment, the scientific revolution, and later the industrail revolution. If rome never fell, europe would now be a stagnated medival empire, like persia or the qing dynasty.
ironmantis25 1 week ago
@Lockstock97 and that is a bad thing?
Alexiosbutcher 3 days ago
If Rome never fell, we (a colony of Rome) would be a super power.
Vivat et res publica populi Romani! A provinciae Americae! (Long live the Roman Republic from the province of America!)
Sereniama 2 weeks ago
ugh, if rome existed today we'd have a name for it. Nazi Rome. unthinkable torture, no rights, etc etc.
it would have been a tragedy, which is why it fell cause it couldn't support itself. Still, loved their dynamics and architecture.
LordKaisen 2 weeks ago
758BC-1453AD the Roman civilization lasted 2400 years. Roman Empire 1500 years, Roman Republic 450 years, and the Roman monarchy lasted 250 years give or take. What a remarkable history. The reach of this glorious civilization is truly vast, because almost everything we do, is in one way or another connected to ancient Rome.
3dwardcullen69 2 weeks ago
The Roman Empire fell because the corruption of its emperors and the judeo-christianism influences.
Zeta439 2 weeks ago 3
@Zeta439 I agree with you, thanks for watching my video :)
alternatehistorypt 2 weeks ago
@Zeta439 Rome fell due to its military conquests that it couldn't afford,and they had so many troops spread abt in different lands that it left the empire week to be conqured,Reminds me of america now days to be honest...Rome at the time was a mixture of paganism and christianity,due to emporer constatine uniting the two religions which is why most people don't understand that christmas and easter are really pagan holidays...so that kind of comment isn't true my friend...
malchow3x7 2 weeks ago
@malchow3x7 Sorry but your reason is valid too. Their fell because that, there is nothing to argue with.
Zeta439 2 weeks ago
@Zeta439 yeah I'm not trying to start a debate of any sort,but as a christian,it bothers me when people make these type of comments,such as blaming the fall of an empire on religion.when in every sense and form its always deeper than that,you know.I personally understand that religion in every form is corrupt,but the people as a whole,if living up to their beliefs,don't believe in the suffering of others for any reason.its the powers in charge who are wrong,and who create our problems..
malchow3x7 2 weeks ago
@Zeta439 if it was the christianism influences then how come that the byzantine lasted untill the middle 1400
TheI80082 1 week ago
@TheI80082 it was ALSO the christianism influences, and of course the migration of the barbarian populations from the north-east, forced or unforced by other populations (Huns?)
DaedalSphallolalia 1 week ago
@TheI80082 The human stupidity is infinite, that's why it lasted until the middle 1400. And you forget the cultural differences in the Byzantine Empire and the invasion of the Mongol Empire.
Zeta439 1 week ago
@Zeta439 stupidity cant hold an empire togheter
TheI80082 1 week ago
@TheI80082 Sorry but I don't agree with that.
Zeta439 1 week ago
@Zeta439 how the fuck could stupidity hold an empire togheter
TheI80082 1 week ago
@TheI80082 I don't know, tell me you. You are the one who said that stupidity can hold an empire togheter
Zeta439 1 week ago
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@Zeta439 i said
''stupidity cant hold an empire togheter'' and you said
''Sorry but I don't agree with that.''
TheI80082 1 week ago
@Zeta439 and huge fiscalism and militarism
SauroniastyPL 1 week ago
@Zeta439 The Roman empire fell because it's citizens wanted more and more from the government. Government's only responsability is to regulate trade, form treaties, and national defense.
zenmonk9003 1 week ago
if rome never fell, we would be singing and enjoying ourselves speaking in Latin now.
bugilator 2 weeks ago 13
@bugilator probably lol, thanks for watching :)
alternatehistorypt 2 weeks ago
@bugilator Actually Rome began speaking Greek later on
Dooglemcdan 1 week ago
@bugilator roman empire did exhist for 1500 years not others empire was gone for such long time .....nobody can endure forever keep it in mind dude
TEXTUDO 1 week ago
@TEXTUDO somehow i agree mate ... cheers!
bugilator 1 week ago
The Roman Empire didnt fall tell1453. after the truks took the last roman city from the Byzantine Empire
Nozz65 2 weeks ago
Third Rome now in Russia....
loldiegoss 2 weeks ago
I would live in Rome, proudly. PRO ROMA Diu et servire superbe.
Nameinprogression 3 weeks ago 4
@Nameinprogression thanks for watching and liking my video :)
alternatehistorypt 3 weeks ago
The Roman Empire never fell, it just reinvented itself!
WolfAssad 3 weeks ago
Rome never really quite fell if you think about about people!
s7427beast 3 weeks ago
I am 14 years old i dont know alot buti did know that the romans where a great empire and they conquer other lands in europe and in africa if iam right the germanic and gothics enter rome destroying its republic and there was a civil war in rome so that hit the romans so yea =3= any one want to tell me feel free i love history
Lors0909 3 weeks ago
if the great Rome had not fallen i believe the empire would have resolitifed itself into the largest republic ever to be built, a world republic with a good enough army to keep it that way, and i would gladly serve its senate
Senatus Pospulseques Romanus
falloutmind 3 weeks ago 17
@falloutmind thanks for watching and liking my video :)
alternatehistorypt 3 weeks ago
@falloutmind You would be glad to serve Rome as a Senator -- how about as a slave?
johnmburt1960 3 weeks ago
@falloutmind It's the characteristic of republics not to be on macro-scale. Rome lost its republic amid its expansionist fervor. Empires inevitably decay. Byzantium lasted a millennium, but seemingly only remembered by the laypersons for its "Waterloo" in 1453 AD. Contrast its strategy with that of Rome.
patriotofliberty1776 2 weeks ago
@falloutmind republic? you are high as a kite.
Valholm 6 days ago
that might actually be quite cool..
Synthiotics 3 weeks ago
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The EU = Roman Empire
The treaty that created the EU was signed in Rome, they must have done that intentionally or it is a message to the world that the greatest Empire earth has ever seen shall rise again!
We already surpassed the USA as biggest economy, our national armies combined form the largest unified army on earth!
It's great to be a European :)
ThexNaaru 3 weeks ago
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ThexNaaru 3 weeks ago
Actually, Rome never fell. It transitioned into and was kept alive by the Roman Catholic Church.
s2srea 3 weeks ago
@s2srea Plus it survived in the East for another thousand years and became the Greek Orthodox Church and in part Russian Orthodox. Essentially Christians everywhere (perhaps even Protestants) worship and live under the banner of Roman institutions. Rome still controls the world in some way or another.
Standuble 3 weeks ago
Due to the roman empire being a conquering nation their defeat was simply due to the fact that they ran out of people to conquer. Soon inflation became apparent in the empire, the legions lost loyalty, & the barbarians slow but steadily carved into the empire. Sorry but this is simply impossible
warfreaks97 3 weeks ago
china?
VanillaSnow23 3 weeks ago
so rome never fell... after 300ad they chose not to change any culture but invent guns?
HowtoLego 3 weeks ago
How did i get here from slipknot
885RIOT 3 weeks ago
When you think about it... most of our history today is mainly because of the Roman Empire. I do wonder what the world would be like today if the empire never existed.
thehandsy 4 weeks ago
Isn't holy mother church a guise of the Roman empire?
Zichiable 4 weeks ago
@Zichiable "Holy Mother Church" rather was one of the most important factors in the degredation and eventual downfall of the Latin-Roman Empire...
SteinbrecherBack 4 weeks ago
@SteinbrecherBack Yea, I understand the technicalities. Effectively, although not the same, you can see the Catholic church as the illegitimate son of the empire, who metaphorically speaking has grown just as powerful as SPQR once was. I guess religion is harder to beat than an army. :D
Zichiable 4 weeks ago
@SteinbrecherBack the empire was already in decline before the advent of the catholic church. Pope Leo, saved the city of rome from invasion, the Huns were about to sack the city, but Leo came and talked the Attila to spare the Eternal City. Stop jumping on the band wagon and study some history before you write down your asinine comments about the catholic church.
elysium76 3 weeks ago
@elysium76 Well, my university studies of HISTORY, particularly Antiquity, of the last 6 years tell me you're probably some fanatic Catholic that sees the church as innocent of everything. If you think the empire only went down because it suffered military defeat, I suggest you don't study more history, I suggest you START studying it in the first place. Also, in the time the empire BEGINS falling apart, there is not yet the "Catholic" church.
SteinbrecherBack 3 weeks ago
@SteinbrecherBack I have been studying roman history much more than your 6 years of "study", of course you have a bias against the catholic church which is quite evident by your post. The empire was already in decline prior to the advent of the catholic church.
elysium76 3 weeks ago
@elysium76 So, "doctor" or "professor", which university would you be teaching at? I'm Catholic myself, but I don't see the church through pink glasses. I never said the church (MARK: THE CHURCH, NOT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH; if you don't know the difference, you're a pretty big human failure) was solely responsible; I said it was a big step in the decline, and so it was.
SteinbrecherBack 3 weeks ago
Every alternate history is better then actual reality. Ecept that the Nazis or communists had won.
benutzer29915022 4 weeks ago
I actually wondered this sitting in class the other day. While the Roman Empire certiantly had some skeletons in their closet, they DID treat conquored lands with not only mercy, but generousity.
troy242621 4 weeks ago
s.p.q.r.
vintason 4 weeks ago
@adamlevy32 you are an idiot and an illiterate in history if you think this.
lillybellebutterfly1 4 weeks ago
the fall of the roman empire was probably inevitable, one way or another
HipHopLived 1 month ago
@HipHopLived served them right with their mass-slavery and genocide anyway.
VolvenIV 1 month ago
@VolvenIV What civilization didn't have slavery? Your accusations of genocide are purely ideological not historical. We never exterminated a single people we conquered, we assimilated them & let them continue their religious beliefs. Carthage was the only exception & they got what they deserved. When we conquered Greece, we rebuilt and preserved Athens. We contributed many things to the world. Who are you to judge? Show me a place in history w/o evil. Ironically for you, we still exist.
Praetorian107 3 weeks ago
@Praetorian107 Blah blah blah excuses. Im not going to bother argueing with you. Btw stop talking like you're a Roman, you're not, so don't be offended by a fact.
VolvenIV 3 weeks ago
Shut up and speak Latin!!!!!!
Bicyclesrcool000 1 month ago
Empires rise, empire fall...as italian I have only one big regret: Rome fell in 476 dc and Italy became a united and indipendent country just 1400 years later !
goodyears73 1 month ago 13
@goodyears73 hi thanks for watching my video :)
alternatehistorypt 1 month ago
@goodyears73 Your regret should not lie with the removal of Romulus Augustulus but rather centuries earlier, when the empire began falling apart... Face facts, trying to imagine what Europe would look like today if the Latin-Roman Empire had not ceased to be in late Antiquity is pointless, because there simply was no alternative to it happening.
SteinbrecherBack 4 weeks ago
@SteinbrecherBack I dont try to imagine what Europe would look like, just Italy. Empires rise and fall, it's matter of time. I have no regrets abt great roman empire, anyway IMHO one the main reason of italian weakness among european countries is due to extremely delayed birth of an indipendent state compared to France, Spain or UK. Rome collapsed and no king or central power has been able to rule over italian penisula and create an italian state 1000 ys ago, instead of 150 ys
goodyears73 3 weeks ago
@goodyears73 Well, you can basically find examples that go with that for every modern state apart from England (as the heart of the UK). Germany had a king but every territorial prince always took power from him as much as possible. Spain was divided into many kingdoms, that only changed in the Early Modern. And while France was always centralistic, big parts of it belonged to England for a very long time and there were masses of secessionist movements, especially in the South.
SteinbrecherBack 3 weeks ago
@SteinbrecherBack I disagree... Spain, France, England were already a state centuries before Italy, the only exception among big european countries is Germany.
No king to unify and defend italian territory emerged from the ruins of Rome and we missed any form of continuity from roman empire to Italy...it's a pity. And last but not least, we had Pope too... two thrones were too much in Rome !
goodyears73 3 weeks ago
@goodyears73
the roman empire only finally fell at 1453, or 1458 if you count trebizon
nhytgbvfeco2 3 weeks ago
@goodyears73 By Rome do you mean the city or the empire? The roman empire continued from constantinople until 1453 and italy was even taken for a short time by the eastern romans
ROBHUGHES1453 3 weeks ago
@ROBHUGHES1453 Well, we know roman empire splitted in two parts: eastern roman empire with Costantinople (which fall in 1453 d.c.) and western roman empire. I just think and wonder why no "italian" state ruling over our peninsula born on the ruins of Rome on about 500 d.c.
goodyears73 2 weeks ago
Hey, Rome never fell, than the Bible is wrong!!!!!
CSteven59 1 month ago
what about chinese
VanillaSnow23 1 month ago
Roman Empire= Empire of Europe
sm0keshell 1 month ago
can anybody tell me the name of the song..??? it's magnificent!!
JohnDFogg 1 month ago
@JohnDFogg it is in the ballon in the beggining of the video :)
alternatehistorypt 1 month ago
what do rome think of far east asians
VanillaSnow23 1 month ago
Rome not fell. the rights, the law, the custom, the language, the thought, etc...lives in the european culture
sotopete 1 month ago 28
@sotopete part of it yes :) thanks for watching and commenting my video :)
alternatehistorypt 1 month ago
@sotopete And so the pen and paper, finally outpaced the sword.
Tarik360 1 month ago
@sotopete Apart from the fact that surprisingly little actually remains of all the points you counted and rather tends to be derived from other cultures (predominantly Germanic ones in South, West, Middle and North Europe), that which does remain did not survive all that time but had to be dug up centuries later.
SteinbrecherBack 4 weeks ago
@SteinbrecherBack well im agree that i say it with exageration, but trust me, at least for the southern european countries, the roman law, customs, the "Imperium Universalitas", etc (the idea of a global empire, that christians knowledge later impulse) are the "backbone", the central part, that it, we are desarrollated actual justice, state, kind of view, and other many things
sotopete 3 weeks ago
@sotopete it fell,and Europe was never the same again.
unurautare2 3 weeks ago
It is funny that the lyrics of the anthem for the unification of europe are in GREEK! LOL
shaivista 1 month ago
@shaivista I heard that the language the Romans spoke is closer to modern Greek to Modern Italian. A fun little fact fo' ya'
warpunk1 1 month ago
@warpunk1 It was Latin, and no, it is the "father" of the 5 "romantic languages" Spanish, French, Italian, Portuguese and Romanian. None of these languages are even remote to Greek, the Greek alphabet is nothing like the Latin alphabet.
SzymanskiTheRestorer 1 month ago
@SzymanskiTheRestorer Well..except that half of Italy belonged to Greeks even before Rome was built. Therefore it is undeniable that a great deal of Greek culture ( including the alphabet ) was transfered to Romans...along with a bit of Etruskian
Onufripos 1 month ago
@Onufripos your right about most of the latin culture is from the greek culture but not the alphabet it is their own invention, at least the sort of alphabet, not the invention of writing
TheOmetecuhtli 4 weeks ago
@warpunk1 no, read latin an compare it to ancient greek
elysium76 3 weeks ago
Just found one reason why Rome fell.
If you must break the law, do it to seize power: in all other cases observe it.
Julius Caesar
DWatchRazgriz 1 month ago
Those are not stars dumbshit mindless sheeple. They are a Luciferian deity's called a Baphomet.
GOLDSILVERDUDE 1 month ago
One could argue that russia became the true decendent of the Roman Empire because the byzantine government and culture had massive influece there, so the USSR truly killed the Empire, but I digress.
shiningbeans 1 month ago
senatus populusqu romanus dicit: we think you are just a bunch of idiots...
schwebor 1 month ago
no 1st and 2nd world war so yeah i think it wouldn´t be so bad
Abhulst 1 month ago
Ha ha Roman Legionair the Ancient marines
Joeyal123 1 month ago
The title is misleading, since you don't bring any alternative history into discussion.
tristbjorn 1 month ago
If they had allied with the barbarians in north and made skilled soldiers out of them then send them east, the empire would never collapsed.
Da40cal 1 month ago
@Da40cal
They did,not with all but with many tribes,but they remained unruly,and the Imperial central authority was so corrupt and weak,they had no problems in replacing it.
Rome to have survived,would have to remain pagan,and religiously tolerant,and to reduce the extreme corruption,and in that sense to recentralize the power by destroying the provincial authorities,that wagered between fidelity to the Emperor,and self gain,a authentic pre feudalism.
StellandBlood 1 month ago
@Da40cal
Germanics due to their fidelity,were more a solution than a problem,the real problem was within Rome itself.
StellandBlood 1 month ago
The USA is the 21st century version of the Roman empire.
ITSbigwillystyle 1 month ago
@ITSbigwillystyle umm, no rome was great
ucdeBZ 1 month ago
@ucdeBZ Yup, slavery and oppression sure were great.
ITSbigwillystyle 1 month ago
@ITSbigwillystyle And look how has that turned out for ya?
VanillaSnow23 1 month ago
The roman empire, the original "latinos".
Reyludd 1 month ago
If Rome had never fallen or split in two... I could immagine the solar system being colonized. to hell with having an industrial revolution or any of the "advances" in technology being later then the Forteenth Century AD. By the Tenth Century Rome, if they maintained their strength, might have had the entire world in it's grasp realitically speaking. But while fun to imagine what might have been, it is no use dwelling on it for too long. We can only try and aspire to their greatness. Viva Roma!
DWatchRazgriz 1 month ago
@DWatchRazgriz
Rome already reached steam industrialization in the 3rd century,apart from many other things that we will never known,never ceding to christianism,maybe in the 8th century they would be already as advanced as we are today.
Nothing more than a possibility.
StellandBlood 1 month ago
the stars ?:))
VASIOOO 1 month ago
I think it was historian Will Durant who once speculated that if the Roman Empire had successfully conquered Germany, then it is entirely possible it would have advanced to the line of the Vistula and Dniester Rivers. This would have been a much shorter frontier than the Rhine-Danube, and much easier to defend. Thus keeping the Empire from being invaded.
delavalmilker 1 month ago
Hail Rome! The greatest Empire the World has ever seen!
aSecondCaesar 1 month ago 27
@aSecondCaesar thanks for watching and liking my video :)
alternatehistorypt 1 month ago
@aSecondCaesar no it wasnt you dumb fuck
badababoopi 1 month ago
@badababoopi, Ha, Then what was oh smart one?
aSecondCaesar 1 month ago
@aSecondCaesar Yeah..... except for the Mongol's and the Chinese....
MyJibJib 1 month ago
@MyJibJib, I can understand were you are coming from with the Chinese but the Mongles conquered a bunch of desert and fields, didn't do anything in contributing to history, and lasted only 100 years. It gets me so mad when people say the Mongles were the best Empire ever because the have more territory. What would you rather have: The Russian fields? or the Mediteranian Sea as your private lake?
aSecondCaesar 1 month ago
@aSecondCaesar The Mongols weren't the BEST, but definitely one of the best. And you are quite wrong...the Mongols did connect the West and East and had better religious tolerance than even the Romans. Weren't the Romans cruel oppressors of the Jews? Anyways, ancient China was much greater than the Mongols and even then they were technologically advanced for all their time with ancient Rome.
VanillaSnow23 1 month ago
@aSecondCaesar so true I want the Mediterranean fuck the cold wastelands of russia lol
texasallstar6969 1 month ago
@texasallstar6969, Finally someone gets it lol :)
aSecondCaesar 1 month ago
it would have been alot better than today i can garantee you that. all this religious bullshit that is polluting our minds its a dead end!
KaxiLaxi 1 month ago 11
@KaxiLaxi thanks for watching and liking my video :)
alternatehistorypt 1 month ago
if there are no guns and everything will return what was
than i will be with fun a german BERSERKERS
maassuporters 1 month ago
@Person005 Yeah, and Marshall Applewhite thought he was going to live with aliens... what is your point? Rus is not Rome despite their attempted co-optation.
thescarletprophetess 1 month ago
@thescarletprophetess My point is that many nations like to say they're carrying on the legacy of the Romans. The Russians say it, you and many others assert that the United States is, Germans had been saying it until Hitler got a hold of that idea and wove it into his ideology.
In reality, Roman influence exists in the overall Western culture. It isn't owned by any one state or people.
Person005 1 month ago
@Person005 While I agree with you that many nations have attempted to co-opt Rome, when we look at each of them objectively which seems to have the most amount of historical and societal parallels with Rome while at the same time not openly shouting "we're the new rome!!!" or calling themselves the "third rome"? In my opinion it is the USA.
thescarletprophetess 1 month ago
@thescarletprophetess The USA is less than 3 centuries old and they are already showing signs of decline. I doubt they can be historically compared to a state that lasted longer than 1000 years.
panarkas 1 month ago
@panarkas I'd have to disagree with you. The times we live in are different. Nations can basically be wiped out with bomb nowadays. I think people mostly compare Rome with the USA in terms of power anyway, not longevity, which is accurate.
NoWayOut716 1 month ago
@panarkas 1000 years? more...byzantium was conquered only in 1453. it was the eastern roman empire...
Atheistic89 4 weeks ago
@Atheistic89 If you count the Byzantine Empire as well it is almost 2000 years, but I don't consider it a continuation of the original Roman Empire. Especially after the 7th century, the influence of Latin people in the Byzantine Empire was minimal to zero.
panarkas 3 weeks ago
@panarkas byzantine empire in 7th century was totally different from the roman empire...ok...but how Costantino's empire was different from Traiano's empire . their territories came from the old empire..so..it's a continuation. It's true that influence of latin people in the eastern roman empire it was stopped by the death of the dream of restauratio imperi , but the roman empire was always divide in two different cultural areas. greek language was used in all the oriental provinces
Atheistic89 3 weeks ago
@ComradeMing It depends on how you are qualifying "10 leagues above" - like how did you mean that - because for its day, Rome wasn't even a global hegemon, whereas the USA is. Its a matter of Rome 1st millenium vs. Rome on a qualitatively higher 3rd millenium scale... Which features of Rome did you find "leagues above"? Romans enslaved populations, the USA is Imperialist also... Romans watched people devoured by Lions in the colosseum, Americans have hollywood for that. They seem the same to me.
thescarletprophetess 1 month ago
Assuming that the empire was able to maintain its borders to their fullest extent, no fall of the Roman Empire would have meant that Islam would have never spread beyond the southern Arabian desert, there would have been no dark ages, there would have been no rise of nationalism (or at least it would not have been successfully implemented) and no WW1 or WW2. Hard to imagine all of those changes and hard to say if the world would be better or worse off overall.
kalbahamut 1 month ago
@kalbahamut In the original Star Trek tv show, there was an episode "Bread and Circuses", where they find a "parallel Earth" where the Roman Empire never fell, and had basically developed to the industrial level of 1960's Earth. There's a point in the story where one of the characters mentions that there hadn't been a major war on this "other Earth" for over 600 years. And Spock compares it to Earth's history: "10 million killed in WWI, 40 million in WWII, 70 million in WWIII...shall I go on?"
farmerne 1 month ago
@farmerne sure, go on. I guess we're assuming that the producers of Star Trek have a magic device which allows them to see into alternate realities because otherwise the 600 years without war thing would be a bit ridiculous. The Roman Empire was virtually in a state of constant warfare.. somewhere.. either brutally putting down internal uprisings, or warring with minor powers on the empire's borders. There were other problems, too. Nero. Caligula. slavery. gladiators. Shall I go on?
kalbahamut 1 month ago
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farmerne 1 month ago
@kalbahamut oh blow off asshole!
farmerne 1 month ago
@farmerne you're an idiot.
kalbahamut 1 month ago
Then most of the world would be Roman if this were true