We need to reach their, it will be a great feat for us all. Trust me. We would need world govt, communism and Robots to run everything while we all enjoy and share thoughts.
@fivemeomedia Evangelion is about Evangelion, which is to say it is a hodge-podge of philosophical ramblings in anime form given a candy-coating of re-interpreted Judeo-Christian eschatology. If you want an anime which actually does adress the SIngularity, try Ghost in the Shell.
You may like a singularitarian subchannel on Reddit(.com) named "Transhuman", where you can find many news and good informations about the most recent and astonishing technologies and many other topics. :)
Whose idea was it to define the Singularity as the invention of AI anyway? I'm pretty sure it started as just "infinitely fast technological progress", with strong AI as an enabler, or even a side-effect.
Frankly, I find this song entertaining and mostly agree with it, but I myself am not a Singularitarian. I am a Transhumanist, and Extropian, but I'm not so big on fully-realized A.I.
'The singularity' means different things to different peope. But 2 events are both imminent (in the historical sense of time, that is, decades and centuries, not months) and world altering.
1. Robots that routinely outperform humans in all ways.
2. The ability to engineer precisely at the sub-cellular level, yet regarding the whole person.
These 2 events change the game of life so radically that calling them a singularity (as in, a point where physics breaks down) isn't a stretch.
@singularku In the historical sense of time, imminent means within a century. (could be within a decade given the right Apollo-program type focus, or some good luck). It will happen, and very soon.
Think about this. In the 2000 years prior to 1900, average life span improved just 30 years. In the 100 years since it improved another 30 years. If we get a similar increase, not just in life-span, but in the speed at which it increases, 20 years is all we need to expect to live that century.
People hadn't thought disease was caused by demons for hundreds of years before the germ theory of disease. Find an example or stop pretending it got ridiculed.
We're not talking about average people like today's creationists. We're talking about actual scientists. Find a scientist that openly mocked the germ theory, or calculus, or penicillin.
The point I was making was "no, not all real science gets mocked, and no, that the singularity gets mocked doesn't make it real science."
It's my strong believe that the universe, holding a deep personal grudge against me, will engineer events so that humanity reaches the singularity 3 days after I'm dead and buried.
That would be quite an unfortunate turn of events. Eat healthy and do plenty of exercise, then you might hang around for 3 days longer so you don't miss the party. ;)
@amandarandom89 I can't remember the exact quote or who said it, but it's on the lines of " We'd rather believe that the universe hates us than believe that it doesn't care."
@Smithpolly We are a part of the universe, made of the same materials it is. Maybe the sun wonders if we really care about what it's going through right now, eh?
@lessermystery Maybe the sun is capable of wondering whether we care about it. Or maybe it's just a big mass of gases with no thoughts at all. The point of the quote is that as humans, we would prefer to think the former than the latter.
@Smithpolly I guess it seems like I did miss your point, plus I don't think I made my point very well either. Sorry about that. The more I learn about quantum physics, the harder it is to believe that the universe is indifferent. Very comforting actually!
You're in luck then, because the singularity will be able to - with minimal input and a little determinism (heh) - simulate reality from beginning to end, assuming there is either. So rewinding the simulation to when you were alive then recording your life will be very very easy. In fact, consider it done.
The problem with Schopenhauer is that, like Kurtzweil, he's prone to saying fabulously, obviously wrong things in a very quotable way, which people move on to attempt to use as rules. For example, nobody ever ridiculed the existence of Pluto, or how polymers worked, or the germ theory of disease, or calculus, or penicillin.
The presumption that this is a truth merely because it is being ridiculed is similarly problematic. Homeopathy isn't true thanks to being ridiculed, nor is religion.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." --Arthur Schopenhauer
@vendo233 actualy he said that he was in a play called anna and gilbert wich the song is originaly from. Its title is The Major-General song you showed search it up its quite awsome.
The singularity is a horseshit myth which rides on a bunch of untenable presumptions. There's a reason Kurzweil and Minsky have never generated anything for AI other than press releases and mediocre science fiction.
we are the borg, join the collective loll just saying there are two sides to everything, i just hope it's not going end up a big: fail, still there's enough crap coming our way in the next 5 to 10 years, i don't think we'll be thinking about immortality, while fighting for our lives, in environnemental catastrophies, wars, economic depression, riots, and all the fun things humanity loves to do loll but i'm an optimist still, so hey let's hope for the best :)
we are the borg, join the collective loll just saying there are two sides to everything, i just hope it's not going end up a big: fail, still there's enough crap coming our way in the next 5 to 10 years, i don't think we'll be thinking about immortality, while fighting for our lives, in environnemental catastrophies, wars, economic depression, riots, and all the fun things humanity loves to do loll but i'm an optimist still, so hey let's hope for the best :)
NO, almost all the Universe is unaware. A simple calculation. There are 6 billion intelligent beings on Earth. As said in the song, no many aliens that we know have come forward so it is safe to assume intelligent life is pretty rare. How rare? The radius of the Universe is about 10^10 light years (more if you consider the expansion of the Universe). 6 billon intelligent beings divide (10^10)^3 L.Y. cube= 10^-21 intelligent beings per L.Y. cube !!!
It wasn't biased with atheistic hedonism, so I thought it was a good idea. If parts of the transhumanist movement aren't careful, they'll eventually schism. Hell, I think that schism has already occurred. One one end, you have people with the Immortalist Institute who want to live forever and enjoy life. On the other spectrum, you have people who want to understand why the Universe exists and why were are all here.
So you are saying there are the people who want to be immortal, fight disease and death, and tackle the obstacles that come with being human, and thus become post human, and you have people who... Wonder why we are here? Is that a religious question? A philosophical one? We are here because we are here. There really isn't a reason. Why is there something instead of nothing? Honestly, such nonsense.
Around the U.S. Revolutionary war Yankee Doodle Dandy was written to make fun of Americans, but turns out they liked it so much they made it their song.
I'm really liking this song, and wondering if it was written to make fun of me, and those like me who think that the future will be much better than the present (which is much better than the past)
I've never heard of people like this before but i went ahead and googled it so i could get a better idea of it all. i had no idea there were people like this on earth, very fascinating indeed you learn something new everyday.
I've noticed that the deeper people delve into the unknown, be it religious, scientific, spirital, or biological, the more our opinions not only differ, but also the more we as humans are unwilling to be open minded in the face of other views. How interesting. Very nice video BTW. Your vocabulary is inspiring. Lol
@whysoserious645 what do you think the fucking concept is, it's just a song and it's just a question, don't be so stupidly serious about everything. And don't reply. It's disguesting to talk with you. And by the way, I don't think singularity has any future.
You fail so hard. You explicitly stated that you had no idea what something is, and then proceeded to state that you thought it had no future. You're fucking retarded.
And, I'm not sure about what the fuck the rest of that shit is. Have I argued with you before? Are you butthurt that I insulted you? Become literate before you respond next time.
@whysoserious645 I think something that I cann't make sense from what have been studied so much so far. is something that I think has no future. ok? Sometimes, when something look controversial and contrary, yet fit well together.
And don't be rude to anybody you don't know. It's not good for you.
@uytfvbnmkoiuy You still sound fucking retarded. Learn english, or get off of the internet.
I'm not arguing, I'm just point out that maybe, just maybe, you need to get off of the internet and leave it to literate people. If you don't understand something, don't comment on it, because this really doesn't help your case.
Seriously? You think that I should just not reply so you win? Your entire argument is made up of "just don't fight." Again, you're just retarded. You're the one who should GTFO.
@whysoserious645 I think something that I cann't make sense from what have been studied so much so far. is something that I think has no future. ok? Sometimes, when something look controversial and contrary, yet fit well together.
And don't be rude to anybody you don't know. It's not good for you.
You've been seduced by the false promises of technology, but it wont serve you, you will serve the hive1
WHEN MARTIAL LAW COMES TO TEXAS YOU WILL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE I WILL NOT JOIN YOU I WILL NOT BE PART OF THE COLECTIVE I WILL NOT BE ASSIMILATED YOU SCUM
Relax, you must be trolling. Everyone will be free to do what they wish with technology. In fact, overall technological growth will accelerate and make economic processes so efficient that government will have to shrink due to obsolesense of services and society will be even more libertarian.
@kkcarccrack sorry i'm late on replying, why is transhumanism such a bad thing, it's merely the view that we should be able to direct our own evolution for the betterment of all mankind, I am no longer specifically a singularitarian, as I've come to realize that it is very wishful thinking, but being chained to the biological will get us nowhere as a species and thus we need to upgrade, wether it's 20 or 20,000 years from now, it has to happen.
It all has a rational basis Singularitarians are NOT a religious organization or something. There is no faith in Singularity, its looking at the facts, science, and reason. I dont believe in singularity, I understand it will eventually happen maybe not here but somewhere. Evolution has been the cruel unguided discriminate process that happen to allow us to be. Singularity will bring order, fairness & eliminate natural selection from our species which has been a ball and chain to us.
Why is it that SIngularitarians in general assume that we will understand chemical/biological systems in total detail, to the extent that we can 'upload' our minds [which resembles dualism, by the way]?
People as of now in their current state don't have the hindsight to understand everything about chemical/biological systems but an artificially intelligent being crafted over years of science could because it wouldn't be bound by our limitations. It then could modify us to understand what it does. I think we can figure out enough to make a self improving being though and that's all we need to aim for.
I was going to reply to Cathy, but codester did it for me. It's not "us" who is going to be doing the uploading, if things even go remote right (not that I really have that much hope for such)
there is a very simple way to solve your issue. Fear IS Death, there's certain imperical knowlage, such as, we can Progress or Destroy, that's it. Fear causes stagnation and destruction. Just like there's matter and anti-matter. What exactly is your arguement? You want to die because everything sucks? We dont know everything by a long shot, but this reality that we're in now is all we know of, so why wouldnt we want to make it as awesome as it can be. Check out the film Zeitgeist Addendum.
Dude, you don't understand anything about transhumanism. It's not about fear of death, it's about transcending the effects of a malfunctioning system. What is the body made of? Calcium in your bones, zink in your eyes, iron in your blood, elastin in your skin - all of these are minerals and proteins that the body begins to have problems processing - hence, the aging process. Your DNA is simply running a program called "Human Being" Why not upgrade your OS?
Lastly, it's not about this world. For immortalists like us, it's about OTHER worlds!! 90% of matter in the universe isn't aware of its self, yet we as sentient beings are aware of who we are. "we are a way the cosmos can get to know its self" ~ Carl Sagan (RIP). The universe is OURS to explore, to understand, to reach its furthest depths and grasp its greatest secrets. As sentient beings, time, space, the speed of light, are all temporary limitations. Our audacity will conquer all limits!!
Oh, one more thing - You are also misunderstanding the concept of the technological singularity. Your sense of self will not dissipate, but you will feel more connected to everything then you ever did before. Your spiritual path will become more clear to you then you could feasibly imagine. The interconnectedness that was always present will finally become apparent to you. Separatism, the doom of humanity, is what will dissipate. Every other sensation, will remain intact, and even transcend.
@Xeletoph This is, of course, all rank speculation, since no one's managed to "singularize" even two humans. It's one of many utopian ideals in philosophy, but if it's even possible to bring about, it won't happen in my lifetime. Meanwhile, there's a lot of humanitarian effort to be made that I feel trumps any future-perfect-hypothetical stuff like this.
@johannhowitzer Firstly, 'singularize' is not a freaking word.
2ndly There is no perfection, there is no utopia. Perfection is impossible, one man's utopia is another man's dystopia.
Merging with technology is already happening. Remove our pathogens, over come hunger and poverty? With the proper application of technology that is possible.
When will it occur? Technology projections, which are HIGHLY accurate, say it should occur around 2050.
@johannhowitzer things to research: Brain uploading, moore's law, the law of accelarating returns, project brain gate, the blue gene project, the works of aubrey degrey and ray kurzweil, nanotechnology, cybernetics (look up the luke arm - hell look at my channel, there's proof all over it.).
Honestly, you've got a lot of reading to do before you can even start to debate this with me.
Do the research then try me again in 6 months. Maybe then you'll at least kind of know what you're talking about.
@Xeletoph I actually do know what I'm talking about. The singularity was supposed to be in 1976. Stop crowing about knowing what one's talking about: this isn't ever, ever going to happen.
You're just masturbating to your own fictional sophistication.
@StoneCypher Is that so? Hmm. I guess you don't know your math, and you don't understand exponents at all. See, exponential figures start off extremely small. But these kinds of numbers can literally EXPLODE if under the proper circomstances. In this case, technological progress essentially doubles every 18 months. Serioulsy - this kind of progress can be and has been tracked with extremely high accuracy. We cannot see the future, but we CAN track technological progress.
"I guess you don't know your math, and you don't understand exponents at all"
I know math a hell of a lot better than you do. That's one of the many untenable assumptions: that growth is somehow magically exponential. There's no evidence, not even a notion of why such a thing would be so, and it most certainly is not so in any known animal species, humanity included.
@Xeletoph "In this case, technological progress essentially doubles every 18 months"
The hell it does. Technological progress isn't even a quantifiable thing; it's not like we had six science last year and eight this year. Stop playing so much civilization; the world doesn't work that way. About the only thing I can imagine that'd lead you to something stupid like this is a deep failure to understand Moore's Law, the *observation* that transistor count doubles every 18 months.
@Xeletoph "Serioulsy - this kind of progress can be and has been tracked with extremely high accuracy"
Where? You're lying through your teeth. No such tracking exists, nor can it exist, because scientific progress isn't a number. You're making things up to sound smart, and you're failing.
Show me this so-called extremely high accuracy tracking that you claim exists, kid. Just show it to me. I'm calling you a liar to your face, and I'm right.
@StoneCypher I assume that here Xeletoph was referring to the accuracy of Kurzweil's predictions, specifically, so far; in that less than 20% have failed to be completely accurate, less than 7% have failed to be mostly accurate, less than 3% have failed to be even partially accurate, and less than 1% have been simply wrong.
@StoneCypher I don't want to argue that this *necessarily* insists on similar future accuracy for the same model's predictions for 2011-2045, but the ability to make accurate predictions *is* how we scientifically demonstrate that a theory works, and Kurzweil has done well, so far, with things that have been far cries from coin tosses.
Yes, that's a large water-cooled supercomputer. It is common for stupid people to assume that as computers get larger, somehow that magically means that intelligence will emerge. That's the same mistake that Bert Dreyfuss used to make. The problem is, computers keep getting faster, and AI keeps not happening. The lack of AI isn't a lack of computing power; it's that nobody knows how to make it. You're completely clueless.
@Xeletoph "You should know about how far ALL technological development, that being all forms of science, are coming. Nanotechnology is already being used in daily products"
Yeah, whatever line you have to feed yourself to avoid that you have no legitimate basis for the singularity to exist. You might as well start talking about plastics, laser eye surgery and electric cars. None of these things support you. You're just wanking to look sophisticated.
@Xeletoph "You obviously haven't been tracking technological progress for the past 30 years"
Actually, I have. I've been making a fair amount of it personally in machine learning. My name is John Haugeland. Go look up my father's work, then sit back and realize that you're talking down to one of the people who's actually been trained in this stuff and works in it.
That you can rattle off a bunch of tech doesn't prove your point. The singularity always has been a myth, and always will be.
@StoneCypher Machinery is just one facet of technology. In the case of cybernetics, which is machinery merged with man, DARPA has a project called the Luke Arm. Look it up on youtube. The guy who uses it is the freaking terminator! The arm is 100's of times more advanced then the prosthesis which are available to the general public. The Blue Gene is a cyberbrain, which DOES prove my point, because if you add 30 years of development to Blue Gene, it will likely be emulating human brains.
@Xeletoph Seriously, people like you are why most ML researchers don't make their results public in simple words.
We're sick of having to watch you hold up our work like it's a science fiction holy book and say "this case of a hill climbing error reduction proves robots will be making all our music by next tuesday!"
You wouldn't know a proof if it was sitting on the desk you don't have.
The most depressing thing about Dunning Kruegers is that they can _never_ see their own hilarious errors.
@StoneCypher yay for ad hominem. lol. You think insults can touch me? You didn't seem to understand that the blue gene contains a simulation of a mammalian brain which today is roughly equal to a cat. Add 30 years of technological development and it'll be simulating human brains. This makes the blue gene a cyberbrain. I know IBM's black bird is a super computer, which takes an entire room to operate. But, 30 years ago, so did the computer sitting on your desk!
@StoneCypher If you know what you're talking about, then you should know about projects like Brain Gate and Blue Gene. You should know about how far ALL technological development, that being all forms of science, are coming. Nanotechnology is already being used in daily products; in everything from clothing to paint to lotions. You obviously haven't been tracking technological progress for the past 30 years and don't have any prespective on where it'll be in the next 30.
No, I am not a factory clothing worker who destroyed manufacturies to keep my job. Just so you know, Luddites weren't actually anti-technology or anti-progress; you're just showing off another case of where you think you know what you're talking about, but in fact do not.
Luddites simply tried to prevent automation of human labor jobs. They're equivalent to the modern Automobile Workers' Association, but with violence.
@Xeletoph In the balance, the only reason you pretend I don't understand math and am a Luddite is that I disagree with you. You have identified no factual inaccuracies in my claims, you have observed me saying nothing stupid about math, and you have observed me saying nothing anti-technological.
You're just butthurt because someone said you were wrong, and you're lashing out like a child.
Don't think there's anyone here who's fooled. You're a dunning-krueger, and kind of a lame one to boot.
@Xelotoph "You are also misunderstanding the concept of the technological singularity. Your sense of self will not dissipate, but you will feel more connected to everything then you ever did before. Your spiritual path will become more clear to you then you could feasibly imagine."
Jesus fucking christ, take off the priest hat. There's no basis for any of this nonsensical wankery. "The singularity will cure your acne and make you a ham sandwich just how you like it."
@StoneCypher How do cyberbrains fit into the singularity? They eventually lead to consciousness uploading; which is one of the many H+ agendas and arrivals that we've been waiting for. Brain Gate proves my point because it's a direct human-computer interface which uses actual neuron firings to tell the computer what to do. The braingate was developed in '98, thats' 12 years ago. That means that brain gate is dozens of times more effective by now. Look up the Baha System for more evidence.
@Xeletoph "How do cyberbrains fit into the singularity?"
Quite nicely, since they're both fictional. Add some lasers and you've got an episode of Doctor Who.
The fact remains, I work in this stuff for a living and have a college degree. You don't and don't. I'd be surprised if you even knew the difference between a Kohonen network and a back-propagator.
"They eventually lead to consciousness uploading"
I'd say 'prove it,' but you're so stupid that you probably think you already have.
@StoneCypher Look up the Baha Hearing System. It's a highly advanced cochlear inplant which works on bone conductivity. There are also programs which work on the retina and restore useful vision to the blind. Today it's just a few pixels, but in 30 years it'll be polygons and later there'll be enhancements which go beyond regular vision. The same applies for hearing to the Baha System. Man and Machine are merging, which is a facet of the technological singularity.
@Xeletoph "Skin sensors! Ear microphones! Retinas! All these things make AI a certainty!"
You're an idiot, and you're boring. (By the way, the EKG is from 1872, not 1998.)
Stop wasting my time, and stop posting your desperation on my profile. I get it: you're just going to keep changing topic every time you're caught being wrong, until I get bored and go away, which you will declare a victory.
@StoneCypher I never changed the subject. That's a bit of projection, thanks. I've dodged your ad hominem attacks, your arguments from authority. I've never changed the subject. I never said anything about AI; however you just mentioned it. You're the one being aggressive, angry, upset. Self important much? You seem to know me so well. Claiming to know what I do for a living, what my position is, and even what I'm thinking. I believe you came here only to start a fight.
@Xeletoph Incorrectly dropping the titles of fallacies doesn't make you look smart. There's been no argument from inappropriate authority, and argument from authority isn't wrong; I'm not relying on anyone's opinions, which means I can't be relying on the wrong opinions, and you haven't even understood the fallacy well enough to use the correct title.
Argument from authority is "the surgeon general says don't smoke." Argument from inappropriate authority is "my plumber says don't smoke."
@StoneCypher I know what argument from authority is. It seems you don't recall your own comments. Your argument from authority was "My names_____ look into MY FATHER's work."
Can you see how that's an argument from authority? Just because your father's in a certain field of work does not lend your argument any weight what so ever, and that's what it's a logical fallacy. And who said I was trying to look smart? Hmm. I suppose I should thank you, and take that as a back handed compliment. hahaha
@Xeletoph There's also been no ad hominem: none of my logic is derived from insults. You're just reciting fallacies because you think it makes you look smart. It doesn't, and wouldn't even if you knew what they meant.
In the meantime, you've also dodged every error you've made, every question you've been asked; et cetera. All you're doing is making personal attacks, while complaining about insults. You're a hypocrite, a caught liar, and not very smart.
@StoneCypher LMAO! Ad-Hominem is attacking a person's character instead of their argument. More projection, which is another logical fallacy. Ad-Hom IS an insult, and you admitted that you were insulting me. You never posed a question; you only insulted me for disagreeing with you.
You seem to think a discussion is a dung heap and you are but a cock who has crawled upon it to crow. I find it funny that you have to claim victory for yourself. Why can't your argument float on its own merrits?
@StoneCypher Your entire argument has been nothing but a hybrid of logical fallacies and attempt at trolling my comments since I've got the highest rated comments on this message board. You seem to be the only one baring a problem with the things I've said a freaking year ago. The idea that you're just a Luddite Troll is mounting more and more.
Have you even looked up the baha system? Are you even trying to comprehend what I'm trying to teach you? I doubt it. You're far too arrogant to learn.
@Xeletoph It takes a spectacularly stupid man to say "go look at this project," then when they find out they're arguing with one of its creators, to just ignore that and continue on to call them clueless.
I'm one of your sources. If I'm clueless, you're guilty of the fallacy whose name you couldn't even get right.
@StoneCypher See; thing is, when you attack somebody and say their full of shit, and stupid, and everything else, they tend to go on the defensive just a bit. This likely means that you never had a point to prove, just a bone to pick. I could care less what field of work your in because you're being an asshole to me. Do you understand? The way you communicate to people can open them up or shut their minds to what data you have to provide. Case and point; your horrible attitude.
@Xeletoph Stop mooing about insults inbetween insults. The hypocrisy is depressing. That you're too stupid to see it is categorically unsurprising. That you don't know what you were asked, because you weren't reading, and therefore think you were asked nothing, is so predictable as to be flowchartable.
I get it. You think you're right, and you think I'm a bad man.
@StoneCypher you may think that these treatments are only for people who need them. Only for the blind, deaf, and amuptated. But also realize that reconstructive and plastic surgeries started off the same way. Back in 1950's, people only got those kinds of surgeries because of horrible accidents. But today we get them as elective. What makes you think these cybernetic implants will be any different? Given time, these kinds of surgeries will be elective as well.
@Xeletoph How do you know all this did not already happen? Look up quotes from Planck, Bohr, Einstein etc regarding consciousness. Read about the vedas and Kabbalah and you will find a similair view of consciousness. Consider that in Cern the LHC is dwelving into other dimensions. and look back at the vedas. Apocalypse means to reveal hidden truth or knowledge. What if that hidden knowledge is that we are transhuman already.
@TheWillwillwill I don't think looking into ancient mystery religions is going to teach us anything about our future, dude. I've never been very accepting of esoteric belief systems, regardless of how old they are. Something being old doesn't mean it's automatically right. I'm not at all interested in the teachings of the Hindu Faith, or the bhagavad gita. I will not be passing my children through the flames in an ode to lord Vishnu okay?
We're ARE a cyborg culture, but we're not transhuman yet.
@Xeletoph I do not agree. I think the past is the key to the future. What would a tranhumans virtual reality be like? It would vary depending on the programed reality(ie...script) What is real.. Matter? with its wave particle duality, Entanglement and non-locality that show that information (i,e, subatomic particle atribute) are not subject to time constraints. Princetone Global Consciousness Project??? Majac is not majic, it is higher science..............
@TheWillwillwill you are building a straw man argument out of QM. Atoms, electrons ; None of these say anything about god. You seem to have this muddied mix of science and religion, likely catalyzed by films like "What The Bleep Do We Know?", a movie which was made specifically to recruit members into the lord ramtha cult.
You're proposing an argument from ignorance. IE - "I can't explain__there for magic did it." A known Logical Fallacy!
if you THINK you understand QM, you don't understand.
@Xeletoph By the way the feature vid on your channel has manyy obvious photoshop type stuff in them, meaning they are propaganda, done by unprofessional propagandist...
@TheWillwillwill Nice attempt at a red herring attack, but I'm not going for it. But I will tell you why an argument from ignorance is a logical failure.
Lets say, we can't explain quantum entanglement, so we give the credit to magic. Setting aside the fact that blaming the supernatural destroys curiosity, there is the fact that magic can also not be explained. So you're trying to explain the unexplained by using the unexplainable. That doesn't work. Its like using an ice cube to define fire.
@Xeletoph I am not stating any particular fact about our reality. I am just speculating about possibilities. I do not believe in the big G god. I do suspect that there is a higher intellegence at work in our reality. I also suspect that reality is a type of projection. If true it would make our reality a type of simulation or program. I am not making any absolute statements of fact only possibility. If you can disprove what I suspect, go for it.
@TheWillwillwill Okay, first you move the goal post and then you ask me to define a negative? That's like me asking you to prove that their aren't faeries fluttering around under my bed. It's like disproving invisible pink unicorns. See what you're doing is betting on infinity; there are infinite ways of unknowing, being uncertain, but there is only one way of knowing things. I would never accept the idea of solipsism. It goes completely against empirical rationality and objectivism;the natural.
@TheWillwillwill From what I've come to understad, there is 12% chance that we live in a virtually simulated reality. Forgive me, but that's not near a great enough probability for one like myself to throw in their chips with solipsism. It's equally probable that the earth is being held in position by the pincers of two gigantic blue crayfish named Esmeralda and Keith. Tibetans want you to think a giant turtle is at hand. All possible. But, probable? No.
@TheWillwillwill And lastly, because I know I've been ranting, I wanted to say that the greatest probability by far IS coincidence. The universe is a cold, cruel, impersonal place that doesn't actually care we're here. "I'm a man standing on a planet, but really I'm just a speck. Compared with a star, the planet is just another speck. To think about all of this, to think about the vast emptiness of space! Their's billions and billions of stars, billions and billions of specks!" ~ Bill Neigh.
@TheWillwillwill Sure, it's possible. But it's equally possible that the universe was created by a hyper advanced alien machine, that upon activation destroyed the designers who created it. There is an unlimited number of unprovable and non-disprovable origins of the universe. Possibilities ARE indeed unlimited, but if you weigh possibility against probability, you get actual occurrence. Solipsism is a fun idea to entertain, I'll admit. But I'd rather entertain the mystery, and say I don't know.
@TheWillwillwill And by "entertaining the mystery" I mean to suspend my judgment until an empirical finding regarding the origin of our universe is obtained. I love the multiverse theory, and the big bang / big crunch theory as well. The idea of a universe that can spontaneously die and then rebirth its self over and over again is an amazing prospect to my own mind. To me the idea of big crunch causing another big bang seems to ring in tone with the cyclical nature of nature.
@Xeletoph How about if we became transhuman in the future and were downladed into a computer, a simulated reality would be necessary for consciousness to reside in the program. Then in that program some of us discovered wave particalduality and ralized it was a program. At the same time technology was advancing, so that we began to merge with machines and other started to imagine that we were going to merge with technology, not knowing that it had already happed billions of years ago.
@TheWillwillwill Interesting idea, I'll admit. I am into the idea of consciousness downloading, & I am a trans-humanist. I have a few of my own videos regarding the topic of trans-humanism and how I feel about the matter. However; the problem in your hypothesis pertaining to the future is that it requires entities to be born within the system, and not ones who have transcended their biology. Those who downloaded, would already know they were in the program.
@Xeletoph "Those who downloaded, would already know they were in the program."?? I am not sure they would want to know. It would be like taking the punch line out of a joke or telling someone the end of a movie.. If you knew it was not real, you might just get bored with it. Anyway there are countless ways a system like this could ultimately be organized. I think even new consciousness could be created with in such a system.
@Xeletoph So we discovered that consciousness in a transhuman state would go insane without a deceptie program to keep consciousness from remembering the past.. Infinity is a very long time and a lot of baggage can build up over forever, so it is necessary to say fuk-et and burn the memories..
If we are to become transhuman, imagine what it will be like in a million years?????
@TheWillwillwill Unless you're proposing we download newborns into the system? That's not an idea I would support. Even though downloading would indeed provide us with true immortality, and the ability to simulate entire universes which could bind to some, all, or even none of the rules in the physical world, I believe in choice. A person should be given a chance to lead a full life before being inserted, and should be allowed to choose weather or not they download. Strangely some ppl wanna die.
@TheWillwillwill that's the point of the program, friend. To know it's a program, thereby creating the ability to consciously simulate and travel between virtually generated universes.
As for new consciousness:absolutely. Such a network could easily result in a hive mind, a collective of the worlds thoughts all twisted and knotted together from a multitude of individuals. It could be like taking the internet into yourself,or even experiencing other minds on an almost obscenely intimate level
@Xeletoph What you just describe of traveling to other realities or virual worlds sounds a lot like claims of of both eastern and western esoteric systems. The difference is that these esoteric systems integrate reincarnation into the system.
Being skeptical, I would say this is only because they have no way to explain the loose of memory from life to life or rather avatar state to avatar state, so they invent reincarnation. On the other hand it is possible.
@TheWillwillwill I never mentioned alternate realities. I specifically stated virtual universes. While I accept the multiverse theory I do not accept that cultures from 1000's, or even 10's of 1000's of years ago, possessed greater technology and understanding then we have earned today. It is not the same as esoteric belief systems because there's no magic - its the plain application of technology. Different simulations =/= going to different dimensions. Even if they simulate entire realities.
@Xeletoph I do not consider esoteric beliefs to be reliant on magic. If what they teach has any basis, it is a science that we do not understand yet.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. "
Arthur C. Clarke, "Profiles of The Future", 1961 (Clarke's third law)
If you were to try to create a universe, what would be easier, a virtual world or a physical one and at what point to the two become indistinguishable?..
hopefully i don't interpret the question wrong from lack of perspective from reading your whole convo but..
to create a new universe? easier a virtual one, just control input (the senses)
the best universe? a physical one, you transcend the mortality of your original universe. And that's a civilizations ultimate goal, immortality through physical manipulation of its external environment.
then the question becomes is the universe the ultimate threat to human existence that must be overcome, right now it seems like it but with all advances in technology unveiling new threats and problems endlessly it seems that problem solving for survival is the nature of the universe, or sustaining life in it anyways. As long as there's the will to survive and sufficient forethought, we'll be good.
the only question is what about spontaneous dangers?
@TheWillwillwill "a virtual world or a physical one and at what point to the two become indistinguishable?.."
The Planck scale. At which point the holodeck achieves the same pixel density as the universe. If we could do that we could then "hack" reality by "incanting" "cheat codes:" watch?v=hYW4bya_AxE
I love this video!!!
JeremyKilroy 2 months ago 2
We need to reach their, it will be a great feat for us all. Trust me. We would need world govt, communism and Robots to run everything while we all enjoy and share thoughts.
answerOfstupids 3 months ago
i fucking love this!!!!
gamepro94z 3 months ago in playlist gamepro94z's favorites
is evangelion about singularity?
fivemeomedia 4 months ago
@fivemeomedia Evangelion is about Evangelion, which is to say it is a hodge-podge of philosophical ramblings in anime form given a candy-coating of re-interpreted Judeo-Christian eschatology. If you want an anime which actually does adress the SIngularity, try Ghost in the Shell.
Triskaidekathon 2 months ago
I think I need to expand my mind just to fully understand contemplate this video let alone the universe ;P
bigmammoth 5 months ago
You may like a singularitarian subchannel on Reddit(.com) named "Transhuman", where you can find many news and good informations about the most recent and astonishing technologies and many other topics. :)
xDarkTemplar 5 months ago
They better get to being able to transfer the human mind into a computer very soon!
I do not want to end up dead before singularitarianism is reached!
EpicGamer128 6 months ago 3
@EpicGamer128 educate yourself and then invent it. how can you expect to become a transhuman without that :P
lusteraliaszero 4 months ago
@EpicGamer128 omg i knowwwwwwwwww im only 20 and ray is planing on transcending hes old as hell so i think i have a good chance
gamepro94z 3 months ago
... the musical prelude to the cyber-man invasion?
FluffyTheKnight 6 months ago
THE SINGULARITY IS NEAR!
DurexDurpaneu2 7 months ago
WTF did I just watch?
th3d3storoy3r 8 months ago
Whose idea was it to define the Singularity as the invention of AI anyway? I'm pretty sure it started as just "infinitely fast technological progress", with strong AI as an enabler, or even a side-effect.
Also, AWESOME VIDEO.
snowyowl0 8 months ago
Frankly, I find this song entertaining and mostly agree with it, but I myself am not a Singularitarian. I am a Transhumanist, and Extropian, but I'm not so big on fully-realized A.I.
ZakkLamm 10 months ago 3
BRILLIANT!!!!!!
ThePirateCapt 11 months ago
95% of the population still live in poverty, not going to happen.
zoquibax 11 months ago
@zoquibax You still think linearly ;)
smortx 7 months ago
Try to hold on until 2065!
Ujikaweapon1 11 months ago
'The singularity' means different things to different peope. But 2 events are both imminent (in the historical sense of time, that is, decades and centuries, not months) and world altering.
1. Robots that routinely outperform humans in all ways.
2. The ability to engineer precisely at the sub-cellular level, yet regarding the whole person.
These 2 events change the game of life so radically that calling them a singularity (as in, a point where physics breaks down) isn't a stretch.
neoaeonian 11 months ago
@neoaeonian imminent? how imminent it is? decade? century? millenia?
singularku 11 months ago
@singularku Between 2050 and 2100 it has been estimated.
smortx 11 months ago
@singularku In the historical sense of time, imminent means within a century. (could be within a decade given the right Apollo-program type focus, or some good luck). It will happen, and very soon.
Think about this. In the 2000 years prior to 1900, average life span improved just 30 years. In the 100 years since it improved another 30 years. If we get a similar increase, not just in life-span, but in the speed at which it increases, 20 years is all we need to expect to live that century.
neoaeonian 11 months ago
Awesomeness.
Bot2Talk2 11 months ago
People hadn't thought disease was caused by demons for hundreds of years before the germ theory of disease. Find an example or stop pretending it got ridiculed.
We're not talking about average people like today's creationists. We're talking about actual scientists. Find a scientist that openly mocked the germ theory, or calculus, or penicillin.
The point I was making was "no, not all real science gets mocked, and no, that the singularity gets mocked doesn't make it real science."
StoneCypher 11 months ago
no UFOs LOL
KeystoneFlow 11 months ago
It's my strong believe that the universe, holding a deep personal grudge against me, will engineer events so that humanity reaches the singularity 3 days after I'm dead and buried.
;)
amandarandom89 11 months ago 67
@amandarandom89 Given the Singularity has heaven and hell scenarios, the universe may be letting you off easy.
groupthinker1984 11 months ago 18
@amandarandom89 Hahahaha :D
That would be quite an unfortunate turn of events. Eat healthy and do plenty of exercise, then you might hang around for 3 days longer so you don't miss the party. ;)
CloudElve 11 months ago
@amandarandom89 I can't remember the exact quote or who said it, but it's on the lines of " We'd rather believe that the universe hates us than believe that it doesn't care."
Smithpolly 10 months ago 2
@Smithpolly We are a part of the universe, made of the same materials it is. Maybe the sun wonders if we really care about what it's going through right now, eh?
lessermystery 10 months ago
@lessermystery Maybe the sun is capable of wondering whether we care about it. Or maybe it's just a big mass of gases with no thoughts at all. The point of the quote is that as humans, we would prefer to think the former than the latter.
Smithpolly 10 months ago
@Smithpolly I guess it seems like I did miss your point, plus I don't think I made my point very well either. Sorry about that. The more I learn about quantum physics, the harder it is to believe that the universe is indifferent. Very comforting actually!
lessermystery 10 months ago
@amandarandom89 Why would you think something like that?
behnamasid 10 months ago
@amandarandom89 take comfort in that entropy will get us all :D
rsnilssen 10 months ago
@rsnilssen Unless we get it first! :D
VulcanFleet 7 months ago in playlist music only
@amandarandom89 And then they resurrect you with time travel!
Keitaro2011 9 months ago
@amandarandom89 One more reason to get your head preserved then eh? :P
ELREndLondonRule 7 months ago 4
@amandarandom89 Cryonics: letting you 1-up fate for the past 30 years or so.
VulcanFleet 7 months ago in playlist music only 4
@amandarandom89 But after the singularity, revivification of recently deseased bodies will be possible... You'll be singularity Jesus!
bionicghost 7 months ago
@amandarandom89
You're in luck then, because the singularity will be able to - with minimal input and a little determinism (heh) - simulate reality from beginning to end, assuming there is either. So rewinding the simulation to when you were alive then recording your life will be very very easy. In fact, consider it done.
DazmoTube 2 months ago
@amandarandom89 Cryonics dude.
LMJ314142 3 weeks ago
I don't know why you're all fapping to Kurtzweil besides. It's Vernor Vinge's idea.
I mean it's just like Stallman, right? The only idea any of you even know of theirs is a bad idea, and it isn't even actually theirs.
HAY I KNOW LET'S MAKE A NOISE PLOT OF TECHNOLOGIES AND TWO IS QUESTION MARKS AND THREE IS THE SINGULARITY.
Underpants gnome science isn't.
StoneCypher 11 months ago
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StoneCypher 11 months ago
The problem with Schopenhauer is that, like Kurtzweil, he's prone to saying fabulously, obviously wrong things in a very quotable way, which people move on to attempt to use as rules. For example, nobody ever ridiculed the existence of Pluto, or how polymers worked, or the germ theory of disease, or calculus, or penicillin.
The presumption that this is a truth merely because it is being ridiculed is similarly problematic. Homeopathy isn't true thanks to being ridiculed, nor is religion.
StoneCypher 11 months ago
@StoneCypher People kind of did ridicule germ theory.
Because before that they thought sickness was caused by little demons.
ELREndLondonRule 11 months ago
great song
atnerus 11 months ago
Maximum paperclips please.
bitplane 1 year ago
That was AWESOME....Good job on this!
Regards from one transhumanist extropian to another!
sheeeeeeeva 1 year ago
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." --Arthur Schopenhauer
Cool, now we move to the second stage.
FabulosoFuturo 1 year ago
"My name is Legion, for we are many"
OrdoLord 1 year ago
*Sniff* Implications unpleasant.
michaliskebab 1 year ago
I knew Mordin's song from Mass Effect 2 was based off something...now I know XD
vendo233 1 year ago
@vendo233 actualy he said that he was in a play called anna and gilbert wich the song is originaly from. Its title is The Major-General song you showed search it up its quite awsome.
tookman14 1 year ago
@tookman14 "I Am The Very Model of a Modern Major-General", from Pirates of Penzance, by Gilbert and Sullivan.
ZakkLamm 1 year ago
Wonderful, can you do it again, but this time, really fast?
PureZOOKS 1 year ago
Excellent song infusing levity into a very heavy concept.
caveatemp 1 year ago
The singularity is a horseshit myth which rides on a bunch of untenable presumptions. There's a reason Kurzweil and Minsky have never generated anything for AI other than press releases and mediocre science fiction.
StoneCypher 1 year ago
If we learn how to time travel, we can even bring back the dead!
JonathanClement140 1 year ago
WE ARE THE CYBERMEN. YOU WILL BE UPGRADED.
pigsdofly6 1 year ago 17
@pigsdofly6 lol the cybermen paradigm is obsolete. I would consider that technology a massive downgrade in both form and function :D
PinkProgram 1 year ago
alot of people are taking a very existential deconstruction to this vid, am i the only one that thinks, hey, it's just really cool?
thehairypirate 1 year ago
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we are the borg, join the collective loll just saying there are two sides to everything, i just hope it's not going end up a big: fail, still there's enough crap coming our way in the next 5 to 10 years, i don't think we'll be thinking about immortality, while fighting for our lives, in environnemental catastrophies, wars, economic depression, riots, and all the fun things humanity loves to do loll but i'm an optimist still, so hey let's hope for the best :)
almostagod 1 year ago
we are the borg, join the collective loll just saying there are two sides to everything, i just hope it's not going end up a big: fail, still there's enough crap coming our way in the next 5 to 10 years, i don't think we'll be thinking about immortality, while fighting for our lives, in environnemental catastrophies, wars, economic depression, riots, and all the fun things humanity loves to do loll but i'm an optimist still, so hey let's hope for the best :)
almostagod 1 year ago
NO, almost all the Universe is unaware. A simple calculation. There are 6 billion intelligent beings on Earth. As said in the song, no many aliens that we know have come forward so it is safe to assume intelligent life is pretty rare. How rare? The radius of the Universe is about 10^10 light years (more if you consider the expansion of the Universe). 6 billon intelligent beings divide (10^10)^3 L.Y. cube= 10^-21 intelligent beings per L.Y. cube !!!
Indeed a lost of a brain is a cosmic tragedy.
alive4ever1 1 year ago
It wasn't biased with atheistic hedonism, so I thought it was a good idea. If parts of the transhumanist movement aren't careful, they'll eventually schism. Hell, I think that schism has already occurred. One one end, you have people with the Immortalist Institute who want to live forever and enjoy life. On the other spectrum, you have people who want to understand why the Universe exists and why were are all here.
RobotBadger 1 year ago
@RobotBadger
So you are saying there are the people who want to be immortal, fight disease and death, and tackle the obstacles that come with being human, and thus become post human, and you have people who... Wonder why we are here? Is that a religious question? A philosophical one? We are here because we are here. There really isn't a reason. Why is there something instead of nothing? Honestly, such nonsense.
GubitAvitarus 1 year ago
is it just me, or does anyone else see illusive man there?
whatewer23 1 year ago 17
@whatewer23
I'm Commander Shepard and this is the most sense-making comment on the video.
finkster 1 year ago
i just piss my self off
Despotailustrado 1 year ago
Around the U.S. Revolutionary war Yankee Doodle Dandy was written to make fun of Americans, but turns out they liked it so much they made it their song.
I'm really liking this song, and wondering if it was written to make fun of me, and those like me who think that the future will be much better than the present (which is much better than the past)
neoaeonian 1 year ago
Haha awesomeness. I love it.
dabawla 1 year ago
I found it...what now... ?
Who's gonna give me the supercomputer I need to run such thing.... ?
liadon666 1 year ago
I've never heard of people like this before but i went ahead and googled it so i could get a better idea of it all. i had no idea there were people like this on earth, very fascinating indeed you learn something new everyday.
IvIajoi2n 1 year ago
I am the very model of an Illusive Man!
Complete with a star on the background.
HerraTohtori 1 year ago
@HerraTohtori
You are so right! I wonder if someone from BioWare saw this video during development of Mass Effect 2...
finkster 1 year ago
word!
RaveBabyFuu 1 year ago
1:16 Useless information?
sirjoebloggs 1 year ago
I've noticed that the deeper people delve into the unknown, be it religious, scientific, spirital, or biological, the more our opinions not only differ, but also the more we as humans are unwilling to be open minded in the face of other views. How interesting. Very nice video BTW. Your vocabulary is inspiring. Lol
TeveraRaincoat 1 year ago
no idea what singularity is, I think it has no future though.
uytfvbnmkoiuy 1 year ago
@uytfvbnmkoiuy So, you don't understand a concept whatsoever, and you have decided to denounce it, despite this? Are you fucking retarded?
whysoserious645 1 year ago
@whysoserious645 what do you think the fucking concept is, it's just a song and it's just a question, don't be so stupidly serious about everything. And don't reply. It's disguesting to talk with you. And by the way, I don't think singularity has any future.
uytfvbnmkoiuy 1 year ago
@uytfvbnmkoiuy Just noticed you'd responded.
You fail so hard. You explicitly stated that you had no idea what something is, and then proceeded to state that you thought it had no future. You're fucking retarded.
And, I'm not sure about what the fuck the rest of that shit is. Have I argued with you before? Are you butthurt that I insulted you? Become literate before you respond next time.
whysoserious645 1 year ago
@whysoserious645 I think something that I cann't make sense from what have been studied so much so far. is something that I think has no future. ok? Sometimes, when something look controversial and contrary, yet fit well together.
And don't be rude to anybody you don't know. It's not good for you.
And please don't replay, and just disappear.
And don't argue here, it's pointless.
Bye,seriously
uytfvbnmkoiuy 1 year ago
@uytfvbnmkoiuy You still sound fucking retarded. Learn english, or get off of the internet.
I'm not arguing, I'm just point out that maybe, just maybe, you need to get off of the internet and leave it to literate people. If you don't understand something, don't comment on it, because this really doesn't help your case.
Seriously? You think that I should just not reply so you win? Your entire argument is made up of "just don't fight." Again, you're just retarded. You're the one who should GTFO.
whysoserious645 1 year ago
@whysoserious645 I think something that I cann't make sense from what have been studied so much so far. is something that I think has no future. ok? Sometimes, when something look controversial and contrary, yet fit well together.
And don't be rude to anybody you don't know. It's not good for you.
And please don't replay, and just disappear.
And don't argue here, it's pointless.
Bye,seriously
uytfvbnmkoiuy 1 year ago
NWO propaganda at it's finest!
You've been seduced by the false promises of technology, but it wont serve you, you will serve the hive1
WHEN MARTIAL LAW COMES TO TEXAS YOU WILL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE I WILL NOT JOIN YOU I WILL NOT BE PART OF THE COLECTIVE I WILL NOT BE ASSIMILATED YOU SCUM
AnonymousElektron 1 year ago
@AnonymousElektron
Relax, you must be trolling. Everyone will be free to do what they wish with technology. In fact, overall technological growth will accelerate and make economic processes so efficient that government will have to shrink due to obsolesense of services and society will be even more libertarian.
MadPutz 1 year ago
@kkcarccrack sorry i'm late on replying, why is transhumanism such a bad thing, it's merely the view that we should be able to direct our own evolution for the betterment of all mankind, I am no longer specifically a singularitarian, as I've come to realize that it is very wishful thinking, but being chained to the biological will get us nowhere as a species and thus we need to upgrade, wether it's 20 or 20,000 years from now, it has to happen.
clockwerknightmare 1 year ago
Some people here think that Ray Kurzweil is some kind of prophet. For goodness' sake, he's a finite human animal, just like the rest of us!
CathySander 1 year ago
It all has a rational basis Singularitarians are NOT a religious organization or something. There is no faith in Singularity, its looking at the facts, science, and reason. I dont believe in singularity, I understand it will eventually happen maybe not here but somewhere. Evolution has been the cruel unguided discriminate process that happen to allow us to be. Singularity will bring order, fairness & eliminate natural selection from our species which has been a ball and chain to us.
codester1111 1 year ago
Why is it that SIngularitarians in general assume that we will understand chemical/biological systems in total detail, to the extent that we can 'upload' our minds [which resembles dualism, by the way]?
CathySander 1 year ago
People as of now in their current state don't have the hindsight to understand everything about chemical/biological systems but an artificially intelligent being crafted over years of science could because it wouldn't be bound by our limitations. It then could modify us to understand what it does. I think we can figure out enough to make a self improving being though and that's all we need to aim for.
codester1111 1 year ago
I was going to reply to Cathy, but codester did it for me. It's not "us" who is going to be doing the uploading, if things even go remote right (not that I really have that much hope for such)
DavidtheDuke 1 year ago
there is a very simple way to solve your issue. Fear IS Death, there's certain imperical knowlage, such as, we can Progress or Destroy, that's it. Fear causes stagnation and destruction. Just like there's matter and anti-matter. What exactly is your arguement? You want to die because everything sucks? We dont know everything by a long shot, but this reality that we're in now is all we know of, so why wouldnt we want to make it as awesome as it can be. Check out the film Zeitgeist Addendum.
reynoldsmjx 2 years ago
@reynoldsmjx
I was just saying that , like it or not , that's what's going on.period.
now ... try to stop them.
also,who said that's bad ? what you preach as good is bad to me.
Also,as every other correct ENTITY might say, unless it HURTS YOU PHYSICALLY, I'll do what I want.
liadon666 1 year ago
I'm an embodiment of the singularity :3 technology personified ^_^
PinkProgram 2 years ago
Yay! Pink!! How's my favorite homunculus? (sp?)
Xeletoph 2 years ago
Dude, you don't understand anything about transhumanism. It's not about fear of death, it's about transcending the effects of a malfunctioning system. What is the body made of? Calcium in your bones, zink in your eyes, iron in your blood, elastin in your skin - all of these are minerals and proteins that the body begins to have problems processing - hence, the aging process. Your DNA is simply running a program called "Human Being" Why not upgrade your OS?
Xeletoph 2 years ago 5
Lastly, it's not about this world. For immortalists like us, it's about OTHER worlds!! 90% of matter in the universe isn't aware of its self, yet we as sentient beings are aware of who we are. "we are a way the cosmos can get to know its self" ~ Carl Sagan (RIP). The universe is OURS to explore, to understand, to reach its furthest depths and grasp its greatest secrets. As sentient beings, time, space, the speed of light, are all temporary limitations. Our audacity will conquer all limits!!
Xeletoph 2 years ago 34
Oh, one more thing - You are also misunderstanding the concept of the technological singularity. Your sense of self will not dissipate, but you will feel more connected to everything then you ever did before. Your spiritual path will become more clear to you then you could feasibly imagine. The interconnectedness that was always present will finally become apparent to you. Separatism, the doom of humanity, is what will dissipate. Every other sensation, will remain intact, and even transcend.
Xeletoph 2 years ago 13
@Xeletoph This is, of course, all rank speculation, since no one's managed to "singularize" even two humans. It's one of many utopian ideals in philosophy, but if it's even possible to bring about, it won't happen in my lifetime. Meanwhile, there's a lot of humanitarian effort to be made that I feel trumps any future-perfect-hypothetical stuff like this.
johannhowitzer 1 year ago
@johannhowitzer Firstly, 'singularize' is not a freaking word.
2ndly There is no perfection, there is no utopia. Perfection is impossible, one man's utopia is another man's dystopia.
Merging with technology is already happening. Remove our pathogens, over come hunger and poverty? With the proper application of technology that is possible.
When will it occur? Technology projections, which are HIGHLY accurate, say it should occur around 2050.
Do some research.
Your words contain no substance.
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@johannhowitzer things to research: Brain uploading, moore's law, the law of accelarating returns, project brain gate, the blue gene project, the works of aubrey degrey and ray kurzweil, nanotechnology, cybernetics (look up the luke arm - hell look at my channel, there's proof all over it.).
Honestly, you've got a lot of reading to do before you can even start to debate this with me.
Do the research then try me again in 6 months. Maybe then you'll at least kind of know what you're talking about.
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Xeletoph I actually do know what I'm talking about. The singularity was supposed to be in 1976. Stop crowing about knowing what one's talking about: this isn't ever, ever going to happen.
You're just masturbating to your own fictional sophistication.
StoneCypher 1 year ago
@StoneCypher Is that so? Hmm. I guess you don't know your math, and you don't understand exponents at all. See, exponential figures start off extremely small. But these kinds of numbers can literally EXPLODE if under the proper circomstances. In this case, technological progress essentially doubles every 18 months. Serioulsy - this kind of progress can be and has been tracked with extremely high accuracy. We cannot see the future, but we CAN track technological progress.
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Xeletoph Honestly.
"I guess you don't know your math, and you don't understand exponents at all"
I know math a hell of a lot better than you do. That's one of the many untenable assumptions: that growth is somehow magically exponential. There's no evidence, not even a notion of why such a thing would be so, and it most certainly is not so in any known animal species, humanity included.
StoneCypher 1 year ago
@Xeletoph "In this case, technological progress essentially doubles every 18 months"
The hell it does. Technological progress isn't even a quantifiable thing; it's not like we had six science last year and eight this year. Stop playing so much civilization; the world doesn't work that way. About the only thing I can imagine that'd lead you to something stupid like this is a deep failure to understand Moore's Law, the *observation* that transistor count doubles every 18 months.
StoneCypher 1 year ago
@Xeletoph "Serioulsy - this kind of progress can be and has been tracked with extremely high accuracy"
Where? You're lying through your teeth. No such tracking exists, nor can it exist, because scientific progress isn't a number. You're making things up to sound smart, and you're failing.
Show me this so-called extremely high accuracy tracking that you claim exists, kid. Just show it to me. I'm calling you a liar to your face, and I'm right.
StoneCypher 1 year ago
@StoneCypher I assume that here Xeletoph was referring to the accuracy of Kurzweil's predictions, specifically, so far; in that less than 20% have failed to be completely accurate, less than 7% have failed to be mostly accurate, less than 3% have failed to be even partially accurate, and less than 1% have been simply wrong.
Saerain 11 months ago
@StoneCypher I don't want to argue that this *necessarily* insists on similar future accuracy for the same model's predictions for 2011-2045, but the ability to make accurate predictions *is* how we scientifically demonstrate that a theory works, and Kurzweil has done well, so far, with things that have been far cries from coin tosses.
Saerain 11 months ago
@Xeletoph "and Blue Gene"
Yes, that's a large water-cooled supercomputer. It is common for stupid people to assume that as computers get larger, somehow that magically means that intelligence will emerge. That's the same mistake that Bert Dreyfuss used to make. The problem is, computers keep getting faster, and AI keeps not happening. The lack of AI isn't a lack of computing power; it's that nobody knows how to make it. You're completely clueless.
StoneCypher 1 year ago
@Xeletoph "You should know about how far ALL technological development, that being all forms of science, are coming. Nanotechnology is already being used in daily products"
Yeah, whatever line you have to feed yourself to avoid that you have no legitimate basis for the singularity to exist. You might as well start talking about plastics, laser eye surgery and electric cars. None of these things support you. You're just wanking to look sophisticated.
StoneCypher 1 year ago
@Xeletoph "You obviously haven't been tracking technological progress for the past 30 years"
Actually, I have. I've been making a fair amount of it personally in machine learning. My name is John Haugeland. Go look up my father's work, then sit back and realize that you're talking down to one of the people who's actually been trained in this stuff and works in it.
That you can rattle off a bunch of tech doesn't prove your point. The singularity always has been a myth, and always will be.
StoneCypher 1 year ago
@StoneCypher Machinery is just one facet of technology. In the case of cybernetics, which is machinery merged with man, DARPA has a project called the Luke Arm. Look it up on youtube. The guy who uses it is the freaking terminator! The arm is 100's of times more advanced then the prosthesis which are available to the general public. The Blue Gene is a cyberbrain, which DOES prove my point, because if you add 30 years of development to Blue Gene, it will likely be emulating human brains.
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Xeletoph I worked on Luke Arm. I don't need to look it up, especially not for someone like you.
You're not proving any points. You're just saying "I heard about this thing somebody built. Look it up! That's why the singularity."
"The Blue Gene is a cyberbrain"
No it isn't. It's just a large supercomputer. There is not currently such a thing as a "cyberbrain."
"DOES prove my point, because ... it will likely"
Shut the fuck up. Seriously. Your stupidity is untraversable.
StoneCypher 1 year ago
@Xeletoph Seriously, people like you are why most ML researchers don't make their results public in simple words.
We're sick of having to watch you hold up our work like it's a science fiction holy book and say "this case of a hill climbing error reduction proves robots will be making all our music by next tuesday!"
You wouldn't know a proof if it was sitting on the desk you don't have.
The most depressing thing about Dunning Kruegers is that they can _never_ see their own hilarious errors.
StoneCypher 1 year ago
@StoneCypher yay for ad hominem. lol. You think insults can touch me? You didn't seem to understand that the blue gene contains a simulation of a mammalian brain which today is roughly equal to a cat. Add 30 years of technological development and it'll be simulating human brains. This makes the blue gene a cyberbrain. I know IBM's black bird is a super computer, which takes an entire room to operate. But, 30 years ago, so did the computer sitting on your desk!
Perspective man. You need some.
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@StoneCypher If you know what you're talking about, then you should know about projects like Brain Gate and Blue Gene. You should know about how far ALL technological development, that being all forms of science, are coming. Nanotechnology is already being used in daily products; in everything from clothing to paint to lotions. You obviously haven't been tracking technological progress for the past 30 years and don't have any prespective on where it'll be in the next 30.
Are you a Luddite?
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Xeletoph "Are you a Luddite?"
No, I am not a factory clothing worker who destroyed manufacturies to keep my job. Just so you know, Luddites weren't actually anti-technology or anti-progress; you're just showing off another case of where you think you know what you're talking about, but in fact do not.
Luddites simply tried to prevent automation of human labor jobs. They're equivalent to the modern Automobile Workers' Association, but with violence.
Stop pretending to understand things.
StoneCypher 1 year ago
@Xeletoph In the balance, the only reason you pretend I don't understand math and am a Luddite is that I disagree with you. You have identified no factual inaccuracies in my claims, you have observed me saying nothing stupid about math, and you have observed me saying nothing anti-technological.
You're just butthurt because someone said you were wrong, and you're lashing out like a child.
Don't think there's anyone here who's fooled. You're a dunning-krueger, and kind of a lame one to boot.
StoneCypher 1 year ago
@Xelotoph "You are also misunderstanding the concept of the technological singularity. Your sense of self will not dissipate, but you will feel more connected to everything then you ever did before. Your spiritual path will become more clear to you then you could feasibly imagine."
Jesus fucking christ, take off the priest hat. There's no basis for any of this nonsensical wankery. "The singularity will cure your acne and make you a ham sandwich just how you like it."
What a startling idiot.
StoneCypher 1 year ago
@StoneCypher How do cyberbrains fit into the singularity? They eventually lead to consciousness uploading; which is one of the many H+ agendas and arrivals that we've been waiting for. Brain Gate proves my point because it's a direct human-computer interface which uses actual neuron firings to tell the computer what to do. The braingate was developed in '98, thats' 12 years ago. That means that brain gate is dozens of times more effective by now. Look up the Baha System for more evidence.
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Xeletoph "How do cyberbrains fit into the singularity?"
Quite nicely, since they're both fictional. Add some lasers and you've got an episode of Doctor Who.
The fact remains, I work in this stuff for a living and have a college degree. You don't and don't. I'd be surprised if you even knew the difference between a Kohonen network and a back-propagator.
"They eventually lead to consciousness uploading"
I'd say 'prove it,' but you're so stupid that you probably think you already have.
StoneCypher 1 year ago
@StoneCypher Look up the Baha Hearing System. It's a highly advanced cochlear inplant which works on bone conductivity. There are also programs which work on the retina and restore useful vision to the blind. Today it's just a few pixels, but in 30 years it'll be polygons and later there'll be enhancements which go beyond regular vision. The same applies for hearing to the Baha System. Man and Machine are merging, which is a facet of the technological singularity.
Perspective man. You need it.
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Xeletoph "Skin sensors! Ear microphones! Retinas! All these things make AI a certainty!"
You're an idiot, and you're boring. (By the way, the EKG is from 1872, not 1998.)
Stop wasting my time, and stop posting your desperation on my profile. I get it: you're just going to keep changing topic every time you're caught being wrong, until I get bored and go away, which you will declare a victory.
You're not fooling anyone.
StoneCypher 1 year ago
@StoneCypher I never changed the subject. That's a bit of projection, thanks. I've dodged your ad hominem attacks, your arguments from authority. I've never changed the subject. I never said anything about AI; however you just mentioned it. You're the one being aggressive, angry, upset. Self important much? You seem to know me so well. Claiming to know what I do for a living, what my position is, and even what I'm thinking. I believe you came here only to start a fight.
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Xeletoph Incorrectly dropping the titles of fallacies doesn't make you look smart. There's been no argument from inappropriate authority, and argument from authority isn't wrong; I'm not relying on anyone's opinions, which means I can't be relying on the wrong opinions, and you haven't even understood the fallacy well enough to use the correct title.
Argument from authority is "the surgeon general says don't smoke." Argument from inappropriate authority is "my plumber says don't smoke."
StoneCypher 1 year ago
@StoneCypher I know what argument from authority is. It seems you don't recall your own comments. Your argument from authority was "My names_____ look into MY FATHER's work."
Can you see how that's an argument from authority? Just because your father's in a certain field of work does not lend your argument any weight what so ever, and that's what it's a logical fallacy. And who said I was trying to look smart? Hmm. I suppose I should thank you, and take that as a back handed compliment. hahaha
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Xeletoph "And who said I was trying to look smart? Hmm. I suppose I should thank you, and take that as a back handed compliment."
Trying. Not succeeding. Just trying.
StoneCypher 1 year ago
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@StoneCypher You're dead from a heart attack. Just sayin'.
Fuhgl 1 year ago
@Xeletoph There's also been no ad hominem: none of my logic is derived from insults. You're just reciting fallacies because you think it makes you look smart. It doesn't, and wouldn't even if you knew what they meant.
In the meantime, you've also dodged every error you've made, every question you've been asked; et cetera. All you're doing is making personal attacks, while complaining about insults. You're a hypocrite, a caught liar, and not very smart.
Where's that accurate measurement?
StoneCypher 1 year ago
@Xeletoph I really don't give a fuck what you think, and I'm tired of hearing you crow about it with your no proof and your diapers tied in a knot.
Stop fucking talking. You're absolutely clueless. All you're doing is going "omg you're bad at math you're self important you need perspective."
Yeah, yeah. Anything to keep from you having to admit your hilarious failures.
I'm done here. You're not even reading what's being written to you. Waste of time. Enjoy the last word, douchington.
StoneCypher 1 year ago
@StoneCypher LMAO! Ad-Hominem is attacking a person's character instead of their argument. More projection, which is another logical fallacy. Ad-Hom IS an insult, and you admitted that you were insulting me. You never posed a question; you only insulted me for disagreeing with you.
You seem to think a discussion is a dung heap and you are but a cock who has crawled upon it to crow. I find it funny that you have to claim victory for yourself. Why can't your argument float on its own merrits?
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Xeletoph "Ad-Hominem is attacking a person's character instead of their argument."
No, it isn't. Ad hominem, which is not hyphenated, is basing your argument on attacks on a person's character.
In the meantime, you've insulted quite lots.
"You're a douche" <-- not ad hominem
"You're wrong because you're a douche" <-- ad hominem
Look, just read a book. I'm getting bored of your room temperature antics.
"You never posed a question"
Yeah, you're just not reading what's being said to you.
StoneCypher 1 year ago
@StoneCypher Your entire argument has been nothing but a hybrid of logical fallacies and attempt at trolling my comments since I've got the highest rated comments on this message board. You seem to be the only one baring a problem with the things I've said a freaking year ago. The idea that you're just a Luddite Troll is mounting more and more.
Have you even looked up the baha system? Are you even trying to comprehend what I'm trying to teach you? I doubt it. You're far too arrogant to learn.
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Xeletoph It takes a spectacularly stupid man to say "go look at this project," then when they find out they're arguing with one of its creators, to just ignore that and continue on to call them clueless.
I'm one of your sources. If I'm clueless, you're guilty of the fallacy whose name you couldn't even get right.
You're not very bright.
StoneCypher 1 year ago
@StoneCypher See; thing is, when you attack somebody and say their full of shit, and stupid, and everything else, they tend to go on the defensive just a bit. This likely means that you never had a point to prove, just a bone to pick. I could care less what field of work your in because you're being an asshole to me. Do you understand? The way you communicate to people can open them up or shut their minds to what data you have to provide. Case and point; your horrible attitude.
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Xeletoph "say their full"
Why do you expect to be taken seriously when you don't even know the difference between "they're" and "their" ?
"This likely means"
Yeah, guesses are all you've got.
"you're being an asshole to me."
Hypocrisy isn't interesting.
"The way you communicate to people can open them up or shut their minds"
Sadly, what I wanted to do was shut you up and open your mind.
"Case and point; your horrible attitude."
It's "case in point," douchington.
StoneCypher 1 year ago
@Xeletoph Stop mooing about insults inbetween insults. The hypocrisy is depressing. That you're too stupid to see it is categorically unsurprising. That you don't know what you were asked, because you weren't reading, and therefore think you were asked nothing, is so predictable as to be flowchartable.
I get it. You think you're right, and you think I'm a bad man.
Stop repeating yourself.
StoneCypher 1 year ago
@StoneCypher you may think that these treatments are only for people who need them. Only for the blind, deaf, and amuptated. But also realize that reconstructive and plastic surgeries started off the same way. Back in 1950's, people only got those kinds of surgeries because of horrible accidents. But today we get them as elective. What makes you think these cybernetic implants will be any different? Given time, these kinds of surgeries will be elective as well.
Again; perspective. You need some
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Xeletoph How do you know all this did not already happen? Look up quotes from Planck, Bohr, Einstein etc regarding consciousness. Read about the vedas and Kabbalah and you will find a similair view of consciousness. Consider that in Cern the LHC is dwelving into other dimensions. and look back at the vedas. Apocalypse means to reveal hidden truth or knowledge. What if that hidden knowledge is that we are transhuman already.
TheWillwillwill 1 year ago
@TheWillwillwill I don't think looking into ancient mystery religions is going to teach us anything about our future, dude. I've never been very accepting of esoteric belief systems, regardless of how old they are. Something being old doesn't mean it's automatically right. I'm not at all interested in the teachings of the Hindu Faith, or the bhagavad gita. I will not be passing my children through the flames in an ode to lord Vishnu okay?
We're ARE a cyborg culture, but we're not transhuman yet.
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Xeletoph I do not agree. I think the past is the key to the future. What would a tranhumans virtual reality be like? It would vary depending on the programed reality(ie...script) What is real.. Matter? with its wave particle duality, Entanglement and non-locality that show that information (i,e, subatomic particle atribute) are not subject to time constraints. Princetone Global Consciousness Project??? Majac is not majic, it is higher science..............
TheWillwillwill 1 year ago
@TheWillwillwill you are building a straw man argument out of QM. Atoms, electrons ; None of these say anything about god. You seem to have this muddied mix of science and religion, likely catalyzed by films like "What The Bleep Do We Know?", a movie which was made specifically to recruit members into the lord ramtha cult.
You're proposing an argument from ignorance. IE - "I can't explain__there for magic did it." A known Logical Fallacy!
if you THINK you understand QM, you don't understand.
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Xeletoph By the way the feature vid on your channel has manyy obvious photoshop type stuff in them, meaning they are propaganda, done by unprofessional propagandist...
TheWillwillwill 1 year ago
@TheWillwillwill Nice attempt at a red herring attack, but I'm not going for it. But I will tell you why an argument from ignorance is a logical failure.
Lets say, we can't explain quantum entanglement, so we give the credit to magic. Setting aside the fact that blaming the supernatural destroys curiosity, there is the fact that magic can also not be explained. So you're trying to explain the unexplained by using the unexplainable. That doesn't work. Its like using an ice cube to define fire.
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Xeletoph I am not stating any particular fact about our reality. I am just speculating about possibilities. I do not believe in the big G god. I do suspect that there is a higher intellegence at work in our reality. I also suspect that reality is a type of projection. If true it would make our reality a type of simulation or program. I am not making any absolute statements of fact only possibility. If you can disprove what I suspect, go for it.
TheWillwillwill 1 year ago
@TheWillwillwill Okay, first you move the goal post and then you ask me to define a negative? That's like me asking you to prove that their aren't faeries fluttering around under my bed. It's like disproving invisible pink unicorns. See what you're doing is betting on infinity; there are infinite ways of unknowing, being uncertain, but there is only one way of knowing things. I would never accept the idea of solipsism. It goes completely against empirical rationality and objectivism;the natural.
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@TheWillwillwill From what I've come to understad, there is 12% chance that we live in a virtually simulated reality. Forgive me, but that's not near a great enough probability for one like myself to throw in their chips with solipsism. It's equally probable that the earth is being held in position by the pincers of two gigantic blue crayfish named Esmeralda and Keith. Tibetans want you to think a giant turtle is at hand. All possible. But, probable? No.
Coincidence is a powerful thing. ;)
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@TheWillwillwill And lastly, because I know I've been ranting, I wanted to say that the greatest probability by far IS coincidence. The universe is a cold, cruel, impersonal place that doesn't actually care we're here. "I'm a man standing on a planet, but really I'm just a speck. Compared with a star, the planet is just another speck. To think about all of this, to think about the vast emptiness of space! Their's billions and billions of stars, billions and billions of specks!" ~ Bill Neigh.
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Xeletoph I get all that you are saying.. If I had a GOD it would be infinity.. I have one tatoo from 25 years ago and it is the infinity symbol.
And it seems we agree 12% is possible....
TheWillwillwill 1 year ago
@TheWillwillwill Sure, it's possible. But it's equally possible that the universe was created by a hyper advanced alien machine, that upon activation destroyed the designers who created it. There is an unlimited number of unprovable and non-disprovable origins of the universe. Possibilities ARE indeed unlimited, but if you weigh possibility against probability, you get actual occurrence. Solipsism is a fun idea to entertain, I'll admit. But I'd rather entertain the mystery, and say I don't know.
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@TheWillwillwill And by "entertaining the mystery" I mean to suspend my judgment until an empirical finding regarding the origin of our universe is obtained. I love the multiverse theory, and the big bang / big crunch theory as well. The idea of a universe that can spontaneously die and then rebirth its self over and over again is an amazing prospect to my own mind. To me the idea of big crunch causing another big bang seems to ring in tone with the cyclical nature of nature.
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Xeletoph It seems we are of beat with responces.. I do agree with all you said here.
TheWillwillwill 1 year ago
@Xeletoph How about if we became transhuman in the future and were downladed into a computer, a simulated reality would be necessary for consciousness to reside in the program. Then in that program some of us discovered wave particalduality and ralized it was a program. At the same time technology was advancing, so that we began to merge with machines and other started to imagine that we were going to merge with technology, not knowing that it had already happed billions of years ago.
TheWillwillwill 1 year ago
@TheWillwillwill Interesting idea, I'll admit. I am into the idea of consciousness downloading, & I am a trans-humanist. I have a few of my own videos regarding the topic of trans-humanism and how I feel about the matter. However; the problem in your hypothesis pertaining to the future is that it requires entities to be born within the system, and not ones who have transcended their biology. Those who downloaded, would already know they were in the program.
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Xeletoph "Those who downloaded, would already know they were in the program."?? I am not sure they would want to know. It would be like taking the punch line out of a joke or telling someone the end of a movie.. If you knew it was not real, you might just get bored with it. Anyway there are countless ways a system like this could ultimately be organized. I think even new consciousness could be created with in such a system.
TheWillwillwill 1 year ago
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Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Xeletoph So we discovered that consciousness in a transhuman state would go insane without a deceptie program to keep consciousness from remembering the past.. Infinity is a very long time and a lot of baggage can build up over forever, so it is necessary to say fuk-et and burn the memories..
If we are to become transhuman, imagine what it will be like in a million years?????
TheWillwillwill 1 year ago
@TheWillwillwill Unless you're proposing we download newborns into the system? That's not an idea I would support. Even though downloading would indeed provide us with true immortality, and the ability to simulate entire universes which could bind to some, all, or even none of the rules in the physical world, I believe in choice. A person should be given a chance to lead a full life before being inserted, and should be allowed to choose weather or not they download. Strangely some ppl wanna die.
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@TheWillwillwill that's the point of the program, friend. To know it's a program, thereby creating the ability to consciously simulate and travel between virtually generated universes.
As for new consciousness:absolutely. Such a network could easily result in a hive mind, a collective of the worlds thoughts all twisted and knotted together from a multitude of individuals. It could be like taking the internet into yourself,or even experiencing other minds on an almost obscenely intimate level
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Xeletoph What you just describe of traveling to other realities or virual worlds sounds a lot like claims of of both eastern and western esoteric systems. The difference is that these esoteric systems integrate reincarnation into the system.
Being skeptical, I would say this is only because they have no way to explain the loose of memory from life to life or rather avatar state to avatar state, so they invent reincarnation. On the other hand it is possible.
TheWillwillwill 1 year ago
@TheWillwillwill I never mentioned alternate realities. I specifically stated virtual universes. While I accept the multiverse theory I do not accept that cultures from 1000's, or even 10's of 1000's of years ago, possessed greater technology and understanding then we have earned today. It is not the same as esoteric belief systems because there's no magic - its the plain application of technology. Different simulations =/= going to different dimensions. Even if they simulate entire realities.
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Xeletoph I do not consider esoteric beliefs to be reliant on magic. If what they teach has any basis, it is a science that we do not understand yet.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. "
Arthur C. Clarke, "Profiles of The Future", 1961 (Clarke's third law)
If you were to try to create a universe, what would be easier, a virtual world or a physical one and at what point to the two become indistinguishable?..
TheWillwillwill 1 year ago
@TheWillwillwill
hopefully i don't interpret the question wrong from lack of perspective from reading your whole convo but..
to create a new universe? easier a virtual one, just control input (the senses)
the best universe? a physical one, you transcend the mortality of your original universe. And that's a civilizations ultimate goal, immortality through physical manipulation of its external environment.
richardlionnelcruz 1 year ago
@richardlionnelcruz
then the question becomes is the universe the ultimate threat to human existence that must be overcome, right now it seems like it but with all advances in technology unveiling new threats and problems endlessly it seems that problem solving for survival is the nature of the universe, or sustaining life in it anyways. As long as there's the will to survive and sufficient forethought, we'll be good.
the only question is what about spontaneous dangers?
richardlionnelcruz 1 year ago
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@TheWillwillwill "a virtual world or a physical one and at what point to the two become indistinguishable?.."
The Planck scale. At which point the holodeck achieves the same pixel density as the universe. If we could do that we could then "hack" reality by "incanting" "cheat codes:" watch?v=hYW4bya_AxE
JohananRaatz 1 year ago