The comment at 2:36 is misleading... I'm pretty sure that only a 16' Trombone is being used... I think the 32' gets added at 2:44. I just wish I had that beast on my house organ!
Unless this is just a poor quality of recording and it sounded much more balanced in person, I feel the use of this stop in the final measures of this piece was just too overpowering for what was being played on the manuals.
The 32 ft Contra trombone pipes are in the case in the south transept and were put there during our re-build. they are open ended mitred pipes. Any other questions? Also when standing in the main nave with both transept doors closed they are actually underpowered. If you stand right next to any organ pipe of course it sounds loud.
The pedal 32' reed IS NOT digital. It was installed by Messrs. Harrison & Harrison in 1988, latterly having come from St Marylenone PArish Church. It also provides the 16' Trombone. There is nothing digital in this organ.
The best recording instruments in the world can't properly capture an organ, because the building itself is the sound chamber. Those trombones are amazing! The Boellmann "Toccata" is the perfect piece to demonstrate them. But I can hardly believe that people are allowed to walk around the organ loft so close to the pipes.
I hope that people watching this do not mistake it for the true sound of this organ. It is a magnificent instrument, the sound it creates should only be experienced live or through a professional recording.
This video should be removed. It is NOT an accurate representation of the sound this organ can produce.
Whatever recorded the music was very close to the boot of the 32' pedal reed. Once the sound is blended with the rest of the organ, it doesn't have the strange sound heard on this recording.
The wood pipes painted red were not the trombone pipes. They're someplace else but unless the resonators are 1/2 length or mitered, I can't see where they'd be placed. Any chance they're digital?
@Zumipali2 Not an organ builder, just an organist here. And i'm pretty sure that the pipes are miltered or either capped 16' pipes (which if i'm not mistaken would produce the sound an octave lower but with less sound), or they extend below the level the box is sitting on. All of which I have seen on organs I have played and there are probably more options now thanks to modern physics.
@Zumipali2 You could fold 32' pipes into this case, but it's academic as there's insufficient room for them anyway, unless you displace other pipework. At St David's the 32' reed is placed within the choir screen on the south side of the organ case.
The camera jumped when she hit the low C during the climax of the song! that was awesome! and of course the lady at the stairs, her eyes were as big as saucers
@KE5RHD people in wales tend to hang around churches. I get very jumpy when I practice because im so far up our church adnthe noisde from the organ is so loud you dont notice anyone coming in. Many people hang around - its very normal :)
dude it really stinks that camcorders can't pick all that up, but that's ok:) I'll bet that made you sick didn't it lol I'd a been jumpin! that's a pretty organ and a neat piece, I liked it when the contra's came in!!!!
The anticipation and excitement of the young man in the red & white shirt and then later the surprise on the older woman's face are absolutely priceless. It took me straight back to my first 32' experience. It's thrilling to watch these people having the time of their life. And to the sadly predictable hypercritical psuedo-aficionados Please Lighten Up! You've entirely missed the point of this vid. Thanks to bishfan for posting 4 minutes of Exuberance.
I have to agree with the folks on here who comment about English pipe organs...
Honestly, there haven't been any really good pipe organs built since Aristide Cavaillé-Coll finished his last instrument. People go for sheer size...or voice them for wuss church audiences ("Oh don't use those reeds they're soooo loud!") and forget that they're for making MUSIC, not loud noises.
Listen to a good recording (or better yet in person) of Franck or Vierne at St. Sernin...now THAT'S an organ.
@DtHAngL666 What about english organ builders such as Willis, or Renatus Harris? I play on a four manual father Willis cathedral organ regularly, and I can tell you the solo tuba reeds on this beast aren't for the faint hearted! Every single pipe on it has been voiced to perfection regularly by its voicers since its debut in 1911. This particular organ is a shining example of fine english organ building. Willis organs are such gems! See my recording of Mathias 'Jubilate' on this instrument.
To me it sounds like a 16' stop at 2:29, then the 32' pipes kick in at 2:44 (that is the rattling noise, its the vibrations going so low you can hear them reather than a proper note). The pick-up note at 3:21 is definitely 32'. SUCH POWER FROM THOSE 32' PIPES!!!!!!!
@garrettreed08 It's obvious that it was coming from somewhere else! LOL. The most obvious explanation I can think of that the 32' Bourdon was also being played and was creating a richter-scale experience where the photographer was standing, so naturally he focused on those pipes. But organ people recognize the sound of a 32' reed and know that it was coming from else where.
There seems to be a broken or rusted pipe there at 2:21... I thought it was connected, but then I thought, "What the hell would a pipe go through the carpet for?" I love it when the Trombones kick in (the clunk is a sign that something big will happen)!
It's an imitative pipe meaning it is an organ pipe meant to sound like a trombone. Most pipe organs are full of pipes that are constructed to imitate various instruments in an orchestra like strings and brass sections etc.
No--they don't mimic the sound of a trombone--a real trombone doesn't go down that far in pitch. It is lingo in the sense that organists and organ builders have a rough idea of the sound to be produced or expected to be produced from a Trombone stop. I'd expect to hear the same sound from a Posaune 32', an Ophecleide 32', a Sackbutt 32' etc., Like any language it takes time and use to understand it and there are no "rules" except the pitch. A 16' should always be labelled 16'.
@austinjb555 it's not a trombone. It's something close to a generic name for a either a 16' or 32' reed stop of trumpet variety in the pedal division of a pipe organ of English build. Pipe organs are full of stops named after orchestral instruments for the purpose of giving the organist an idea of what to expect , relatively speaking, from a particular stop. Therefore an oboe stop should be softer and more strident than the tone produced by a "trumpet" stop on the same organ--theoretically!
@austinjb555 This is not a trombone being played b a person. With a fundamental frequency of 16 hertz at its lowest note (not the C below the bass staff but two octaves beneath that) it would be too big for a human to handle. It is an organ stop that is meant to sound the same as a trombone big enough to produce that deep a sound.
I love the lady's reaction in 03:19 ...she was on the stairs and she wasn't aspecting that!
hahaha!!!
I'm sure there are contre trombones more louder, but I love your video because you are so close from them and we dosen't see that very often, but I like it also because the music is perfect for the effect (very powerful music) and the reactions of the people on the video...great!!!
@leonengard People react this way because of the vibrations. This tone is felt very strongly in the heart area. It's a really powerful sensation that is somewhat unpleasant.
A superb organ, great cathedral, a fine piece but keep looking and you'll find even louder 32' reeds elsewhere. The large pipes at the end are the Double Open Wood 32'.
It really seems like you are standing very close to the 16' and 32'. I'm sure they would blend in much better away from that chamber. I used to play a 9 rank Reuters. It had a 16' reed right beind the organ bench. It sounded AWFUL! But if you played full organ in the middle of the small church it sounded perfect.
Someone asks what the "clunk" sound timed at 2m29s is. It's the 32' Trombone coming on for a split second. It seems Miss Bish was reaching for the 16' reed but grabbed the 32'. She realised her mistake and shoved the 32 back in but not quick enough to prevent it speaking briefly.
ok question. I know a conserdrable amount about Theater Organs *(Wurlitzer)* and im just wondering where the resinators for the 32' 's are? everyone is looking at the red pannel there waiting then they play and i see what looks to be 30 + foot wood open tibias but no reed pipes. Let me know if anyone can answer this. Thanks.
Since the rebuild, most of the Pedal ranks are now in the main case; before this there were pedal ranks all over the place - in the south triforium, the north triforium, and behind the choir stalls.
Wow, even my 16' Bombarde is louder when you hear it from that distance!
And by the way, this reeds are only loud, not wonderful, powerful or anything like that. If you'd film a Cavaillé-Coll Bombarde 32' from that distance you'd probably hear nothing because your microphone is just overpowered.
Absolutely! Our church of St. Mary Redcliffe in Bristol has a rank of 32' Double Ophicleides and a rank of 32' Contra Trombones (enclosed). When you draw both and open the swell fully, the reeds shake the place! Fantastic feeling having all that power at the disposal of your feet :-)
I play this organ every October, the 32ft Contra trombone is really only heard best from the Nave. The Video is being taken from behind the East Choir, Not Good. It is even overpowering in the Choir.
we have on our school organ. It sounds like this and in the main chapel it ruins the sound of the rest of the organ! You cant even use it for french romantic music except on the last chord.
Great sound. but the pipes in the video are not making it. They are 32 ft open wood. The 32 ft bombarde reed pipes are somewhere else, pity they are never shown in the video.
@59swl rude? There's nothing rude in my remarks. It's true what I said in my remarks, just look at that face expression. It resembles someone taking a huge crap.
Amazing bass there. I'm from Tasmania, and there's a block of stone from this cathedral embedded in the wall of our own cathedral, aslo St. David's, here in Hobart.
The organ at Memorial Lutheran Church, where I am organist, has an even louder 32' Contra Bombarde on it than that. At Mem. Luth, they are more like Contra Festival Trumpets than Bombardes, you can never have enough 32'!!! To add there is also a full scale 32' Contra principal adn a 32' Sub-Bourdon :) Love my 32's!!!
I know that thiis may not be quite to the point: that the great majority of the youtube vedios do not record the fundimental of the 32' stops, so, we hear but harmonics and individual beats, not quite so just, is it?
Yes, if you look a few pages back. The nave arcade dates from the 1100s and is a superb example of transitional romanesque. The nave ceiling is breathtaking - it is intricately carved oak and dates from the middle of the sixteenth century.
This Contra Trombone is orginaly from St Marylebone Parish Church. And it resonades a very powerfull note. A contra trombone can be made of inverded pyramide shape, zinc, pipe metal, or in some rare cases the are made of wood.
In this case the are made of wood but most comenly it is a reed stop but NOT in this case. The 12 wooden pipes you see at the choir organ are the Contra Trombones.
Whether it was made by H&H or anyone else for that matter it sounds like a pile of old cobblers to me. The English are not convincing in the creation of 32' reeds. However if you cross the Channel you will find examples that will knock the spots of this huge farting machine all day long.
A wood pipe is not making that sound. The 32' reed pipes that ARE making the sound are not visible in this video. The wood pipes that are seen are the lower notes of the 32' diapason. You can't get a contre trombone sound from a wooden labial pipe.
For everywone here are the stops of the Pedal Organ OPEN DIAPASON (FROM 2) 32 OPEN DIAPASON WOOD 16 OPEN DIAPASON METAL 16 VIOLONE 16 BOURDON 16 PRINCIPAL 8 BASS FLUTE 8 FIIFTEENTH 4 CONTRA TROMBONE 32 TROMBONE (FROM 9) 16 OPHICLEIDE 16
Yea same here..but that church is way too small for such a big sound..the 32' contras are way too loud and they sound more like giant farts than musical notes..but still it would be cool to feel the vibration from that close up!!!
Correct me if I am wrong but the Pipes u show in the video in the aisle is not the 32 Contra Trombones. They are the 32 double open from the instrument previously occupied in St Marylebone Church London. U woudn't get a full length 32 reed in the Harrison cases . There simply woudn't be the height or room for them. I would suspect the reed is actually half length and on 6 inches of wind. I think the reeds only sound loud mainly because of the dry acoustic of the Cathedral .
the 32 trombone and 16 trombone are under the cathedralo aisle so they are full length but only the top speaks in to the aisle along side the Tuba 8 on top of the organ case.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the loud clunk you hear at 2:29 is the pneumatic action of a very large pallet opening up in the Contra Tombones chest. You usually hear it with almost every other chest but its drowned out by the sound volume. In this case its such a large device its like moving a tree.
I've played the Harrison at St. David's recently. I wasn't overly impressed with the 32' Trombone, but then it's a totally different story when you're sat up in the gallery! :-)
It does sound a bit rough. It's not the fault of the organ - it's the chamber it speaks into. There's nor enough space, height, or acoustic to round off the sound or to give it a rolling effect.
I think the most devastating 32 ft in England is probably Westminster Cathedral's Willis. If fires straight down the nave from the West End. I used to live in West Wales. This is a lovely organ but far from the loudest organ. It sounds like you were right on top of those pipes hence not hearing the organ in balance.
This is so unsoectacular! Have you ever heard of the Cavaillé-Colls in St-Ouen, Sacre-Choeur or Notre Dame before 1992? The next time I'll record my organ, I'll put the camera one metre next to the Pedal stops and post it with the title "The loudest 16' Bombarde pipes I've ever heard."
to be fair, the maker of the video never claimed that these are the loudest contra trombone ranks in the world or anything like that. He/she just said they're the loudest ones they've heard - obviously proximity to the pipes has a lot to do with that in this case. Most sensible people viewing the vid would have understood this.
There are little slips all the way through, She also makes mistakes on the Salome Grand Choeur on the same organ. Perhaps she didn't like the consoles? I admire her actually, going all around the world playing complicated pieces on organs that are very unfamiliar to her. Must be difficult.
Awesome! Sounds like a Creature being awoken from deep sleep! I agree with ya man, 32' sare not such a good idea for an older building, especially mounted on da wall!!!!
Of course, once you stand right next to the 32', their sound overweighs the discant part. This construction is made for the audience facing the front of the organ.
The human ears are not able to locate the source of low frequencies like 32' or 16'. This is why it is not important where you place those pipes in the church. The beuatiful medieval choir barrier would not be stable enough to bear a complete organ of a 32' size.
How would you know if they're open or not? The biggest one appears to be at least 30 feet long, so it must be open, otherwise we're looking at a 64' subbass, which is impossible. Besides, the specs posted for the Pedal division shows no stopped 32' stop. It's an Open Diapason 32', period.
The pipes you see in the South aisle (the a square ones painted red) are of course made of wood and is the 32' Double Open Wood gifted as lustful2 says below from St Marylebone Church, London. The 32' Contra Trombone you hear on this recording is located in the Quire Screen facing onto the the South Aisle (where the recordist is located). Not sure whether they're full length but I would assume the bottom octave is probably zig-zagged a little bit - no harm in this and no effect on quality etc.
They were the loudest I've heard FROM WHERE I WAS STANDING. I was standing in a section of the church where the congregation is not normally at. If you were to stand where the congregation is normally at, the Contra Trombones would be much quieter and blend in with the rest of the organ. I was just trying to show how loud the Contra Trombones are when you stand right next to them.
The comment at 2:36 is misleading... I'm pretty sure that only a 16' Trombone is being used... I think the 32' gets added at 2:44. I just wish I had that beast on my house organ!
thundernz 4 days ago
epic granny at 3:20
cross147 1 week ago
bit too fast - automatic gain control wrecks things at the end... mic needs to be in the nave not up close
douglascorr1 1 month ago
So...how bad was the building shaking?
iloverush123 2 months ago
10 people have been bombarded.... :D
cakebomb3457 2 months ago
It's fine until 3:20, then it becomes too much, IMHO.
jazzkeyboardman 3 months ago
Unless this is just a poor quality of recording and it sounded much more balanced in person, I feel the use of this stop in the final measures of this piece was just too overpowering for what was being played on the manuals.
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The 32 ft Contra trombone pipes are in the case in the south transept and were put there during our re-build. they are open ended mitred pipes. Any other questions? Also when standing in the main nave with both transept doors closed they are actually underpowered. If you stand right next to any organ pipe of course it sounds loud.
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The pedal 32' reed IS NOT digital. It was installed by Messrs. Harrison & Harrison in 1988, latterly having come from St Marylenone PArish Church. It also provides the 16' Trombone. There is nothing digital in this organ.
DiegoLiger 5 months ago
The best recording instruments in the world can't properly capture an organ, because the building itself is the sound chamber. Those trombones are amazing! The Boellmann "Toccata" is the perfect piece to demonstrate them. But I can hardly believe that people are allowed to walk around the organ loft so close to the pipes.
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animesis 7 months ago
lol you can hear when the stop is pulled.
Nintendoman851 11 months ago
Lovely 32' feet reeds I love it!
Zumipali2 1 year ago
I'd like to go up and HUG that 32' Bombarde! :D
~Cindy! :)
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Oh dear. Call in a British organ builder.....
NO NO NO! They certainly are not digital!!
I hope that people watching this do not mistake it for the true sound of this organ. It is a magnificent instrument, the sound it creates should only be experienced live or through a professional recording.
This video should be removed. It is NOT an accurate representation of the sound this organ can produce.
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Whatever recorded the music was very close to the boot of the 32' pedal reed. Once the sound is blended with the rest of the organ, it doesn't have the strange sound heard on this recording.
The wood pipes painted red were not the trombone pipes. They're someplace else but unless the resonators are 1/2 length or mitered, I can't see where they'd be placed. Any chance they're digital?
gondolacrescent5 1 year ago
@gondolacrescent5 I think it isn't digital.
Zumipali2 11 months ago
@Zumipali2 I would have to agree with it being digital, unless there is some serious pipe miltering going on inside of that box.
cunit1090 8 months ago
@cunit1090 Why? I am an organ builder, and I think is possible to fold in to that case the 32 feet reeds.
Zumipali2 8 months ago
@Zumipali2 Not an organ builder, just an organist here. And i'm pretty sure that the pipes are miltered or either capped 16' pipes (which if i'm not mistaken would produce the sound an octave lower but with less sound), or they extend below the level the box is sitting on. All of which I have seen on organs I have played and there are probably more options now thanks to modern physics.
cunit1090 8 months ago
@cunit1090 Sorry I misunderstand you. So is that pipes are stopped Contra Trombones?
Zumipali2 8 months ago
@Zumipali2 sorry, i'm not understanding your question.
cunit1090 8 months ago
@Zumipali2 You could fold 32' pipes into this case, but it's academic as there's insufficient room for them anyway, unless you displace other pipework. At St David's the 32' reed is placed within the choir screen on the south side of the organ case.
ds1868 7 months ago
its amazing!! I love it!!!!!!!
Zumipali2 1 year ago
POWER!!!!!
thegodofhellfire999 1 year ago 2
I love how you can hear the stop open up!
HornBoy1 1 year ago
Hahaha, 3:19 LOL the lady hahahaha 'holy crap!'
starbreez3 1 year ago
respect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
janhe93 1 year ago
If I do anything before I die, it will be to go visit an incredibly large organ!
MrCG35 1 year ago
The camera jumped when she hit the low C during the climax of the song! that was awesome! and of course the lady at the stairs, her eyes were as big as saucers
TheCurtthehurt 1 year ago
3:19 LOL (look at the expression of the woman who just came up the stairs)
jtingyz 1 year ago 2
@jtingyz HAHAHA.. she jumped in shock at the sudden sound, then the shock turned into amazement.. lol
yokurt 1 year ago
Surely the woman would have had her head blown off by putting her ear next to the bottom of the pipes haha
happyplayeruk 1 year ago
thats heavy nice where is it i must go
fattyfurlong 1 year ago
Did you take this video?
tman8077 1 year ago 3
@tman8077 Yes I did.
bishfan 1 year ago
I finally saw this on TBN the other day and I realize why people are milling about due to the nature of it being a huge tourist spot.
KE5RHD 1 year ago
@KE5RHD people in wales tend to hang around churches. I get very jumpy when I practice because im so far up our church adnthe noisde from the organ is so loud you dont notice anyone coming in. Many people hang around - its very normal :)
YoungOrganist 1 year ago
I love the expression on the woman's face at 3:23.
bootskevin 1 year ago
Thank god this vid is no HiFi ! This would killed my sub-woofer!
LifeforArt 1 year ago
LOL!!! Of course it was where you were standing that organ is spread out all over creation. One thing is for sure you can hear that closing theme!!!
MrBrysonD 1 year ago
dude it really stinks that camcorders can't pick all that up, but that's ok:) I'll bet that made you sick didn't it lol I'd a been jumpin! that's a pretty organ and a neat piece, I liked it when the contra's came in!!!!
Miraphone186Player 1 year ago
What is the piece being played ? I really like it.
peletonkambing 1 year ago
@peletonkambing Toccata from Gothique Suite by Leon Boellmann
bishfan 1 year ago
@bishfan
Ah nice one, thanks mate !
peletonkambing 1 year ago
@bishfan
Thanks very much !
peletonkambing 1 year ago
at 2:35 the extreme vibration caused everyone to defecate themselves
hulk182003 1 year ago
The anticipation and excitement of the young man in the red & white shirt and then later the surprise on the older woman's face are absolutely priceless. It took me straight back to my first 32' experience. It's thrilling to watch these people having the time of their life. And to the sadly predictable hypercritical psuedo-aficionados Please Lighten Up! You've entirely missed the point of this vid. Thanks to bishfan for posting 4 minutes of Exuberance.
richardg8092 1 year ago
you should have heard in the workshop in Durham ten years ago! I was trying to work in the office.
dwigley1977 1 year ago
I have to agree with the folks on here who comment about English pipe organs...
Honestly, there haven't been any really good pipe organs built since Aristide Cavaillé-Coll finished his last instrument. People go for sheer size...or voice them for wuss church audiences ("Oh don't use those reeds they're soooo loud!") and forget that they're for making MUSIC, not loud noises.
Listen to a good recording (or better yet in person) of Franck or Vierne at St. Sernin...now THAT'S an organ.
DtHAngL666 1 year ago
@DtHAngL666 What about english organ builders such as Willis, or Renatus Harris? I play on a four manual father Willis cathedral organ regularly, and I can tell you the solo tuba reeds on this beast aren't for the faint hearted! Every single pipe on it has been voiced to perfection regularly by its voicers since its debut in 1911. This particular organ is a shining example of fine english organ building. Willis organs are such gems! See my recording of Mathias 'Jubilate' on this instrument.
64ftContraBombarde 1 year ago
This is a great show-piece for the organ. And I love the prominent place the organ has in this church. Go Wales!
SlovenskyRaj 1 year ago
This lady is an exceptianal organist. Great music.
You can find the spec at the National Pipe Organ Register NPOR
Pembrokeshire Dyfed, St. David's Cathedral of St. David & St. Andrew
R00087
sirenbleu 1 year ago
To me it sounds like a 16' stop at 2:29, then the 32' pipes kick in at 2:44 (that is the rattling noise, its the vibrations going so low you can hear them reather than a proper note). The pick-up note at 3:21 is definitely 32'. SUCH POWER FROM THOSE 32' PIPES!!!!!!!
thegodofhellfire999 1 year ago
now was the contra trombone voice coming from square bourdon pipes or some where else?
garrettreed08 1 year ago
@garrettreed08 It's obvious that it was coming from somewhere else! LOL. The most obvious explanation I can think of that the 32' Bourdon was also being played and was creating a richter-scale experience where the photographer was standing, so naturally he focused on those pipes. But organ people recognize the sound of a 32' reed and know that it was coming from else where.
artdecolv 1 year ago
i heard a rumour this organ only runs on 3 single phase blowers?
vegunited06 1 year ago
There seems to be a broken or rusted pipe there at 2:21... I thought it was connected, but then I thought, "What the hell would a pipe go through the carpet for?" I love it when the Trombones kick in (the clunk is a sign that something big will happen)!
OfficialNonsense 1 year ago
The small broken pipe is for collecting money in for the organ
robllanfair 1 year ago 3
@robllanfair For the longest time, I had wondered what that was there for. Thanks for the info.
bishfan 1 year ago 2
@robllanfair I understand that the broken pipe is to put money in, but how do they get it out and what do they use it for?
tman8077 1 year ago
I'm confused, is 2:30 actually a trombone? Or is this organ lingo?
austinjb555 1 year ago 5
It's an imitative pipe meaning it is an organ pipe meant to sound like a trombone. Most pipe organs are full of pipes that are constructed to imitate various instruments in an orchestra like strings and brass sections etc.
bishfan 1 year ago
@austinjb555 Organ lingo
dddtl 1 year ago
@austinjb555 It's organ lingo: it's a set of pipes which mimic the sound of a trombone
TomTheConductor 1 year ago
@TomTheConductor
No--they don't mimic the sound of a trombone--a real trombone doesn't go down that far in pitch. It is lingo in the sense that organists and organ builders have a rough idea of the sound to be produced or expected to be produced from a Trombone stop. I'd expect to hear the same sound from a Posaune 32', an Ophecleide 32', a Sackbutt 32' etc., Like any language it takes time and use to understand it and there are no "rules" except the pitch. A 16' should always be labelled 16'.
gondolacrescent5 1 year ago
@austinjb555 it's not a trombone. It's something close to a generic name for a either a 16' or 32' reed stop of trumpet variety in the pedal division of a pipe organ of English build. Pipe organs are full of stops named after orchestral instruments for the purpose of giving the organist an idea of what to expect , relatively speaking, from a particular stop. Therefore an oboe stop should be softer and more strident than the tone produced by a "trumpet" stop on the same organ--theoretically!
gondolacrescent5 1 year ago
@austinjb555 I think it's just a regular 32' bombarde
poopingeneral 1 year ago
@austinjb555 This is not a trombone being played b a person. With a fundamental frequency of 16 hertz at its lowest note (not the C below the bass staff but two octaves beneath that) it would be too big for a human to handle. It is an organ stop that is meant to sound the same as a trombone big enough to produce that deep a sound.
trompettechamade1 1 year ago
@austinjb555 a trombone on an organ is a type of reed pipe that makes a sound similar to a tombone. Wikipedia explains it all quite well
hatstalker 5 months ago
I love the lady's reaction in 03:19 ...she was on the stairs and she wasn't aspecting that!
hahaha!!!
I'm sure there are contre trombones more louder, but I love your video because you are so close from them and we dosen't see that very often, but I like it also because the music is perfect for the effect (very powerful music) and the reactions of the people on the video...great!!!
leonengard 1 year ago
@leonengard People react this way because of the vibrations. This tone is felt very strongly in the heart area. It's a really powerful sensation that is somewhat unpleasant.
halaluani 1 year ago
amazing!
peletonkambing 1 year ago
A superb organ, great cathedral, a fine piece but keep looking and you'll find even louder 32' reeds elsewhere. The large pipes at the end are the Double Open Wood 32'.
jedmba1 1 year ago
It really seems like you are standing very close to the 16' and 32'. I'm sure they would blend in much better away from that chamber. I used to play a 9 rank Reuters. It had a 16' reed right beind the organ bench. It sounded AWFUL! But if you played full organ in the middle of the small church it sounded perfect.
FireworksMasters 2 years ago
Someone asks what the "clunk" sound timed at 2m29s is. It's the 32' Trombone coming on for a split second. It seems Miss Bish was reaching for the 16' reed but grabbed the 32'. She realised her mistake and shoved the 32 back in but not quick enough to prevent it speaking briefly.
generalcancel 2 years ago
2:28 is INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!
AcaAllertor127 2 years ago 3
Anazing!
mistycusa1 2 years ago 3
ok question. I know a conserdrable amount about Theater Organs *(Wurlitzer)* and im just wondering where the resinators for the 32' 's are? everyone is looking at the red pannel there waiting then they play and i see what looks to be 30 + foot wood open tibias but no reed pipes. Let me know if anyone can answer this. Thanks.
Marshall7302 2 years ago
The big red pipes are the Open Wood pipes.
Since the rebuild, most of the Pedal ranks are now in the main case; before this there were pedal ranks all over the place - in the south triforium, the north triforium, and behind the choir stalls.
Knappa22 2 years ago
Loud but not a quality sound by any means!
silverstartrucker 2 years ago
That has mostly to do with the camera's pathetic microphone, and its proximity the the powerful 32' Contrabass Trombone pipes.
Justintime4math 2 years ago 3
good lord thats incredible
bleedinblue2007 2 years ago 3
I meant to say HEAR , sorry for the typo
keithcb2003 2 years ago
The 32' reed is obviously in that corner as you can here but it is not those square wooden pipes which are flue pipes
keithcb2003 2 years ago 2
You know, the loudest CHAMDE TRUMPETS i have heard were the ones on the pipe organ at my parish church.
theaterpipe1 2 years ago
Wow, even my 16' Bombarde is louder when you hear it from that distance!
And by the way, this reeds are only loud, not wonderful, powerful or anything like that. If you'd film a Cavaillé-Coll Bombarde 32' from that distance you'd probably hear nothing because your microphone is just overpowered.
polsterj 2 years ago
get down with 64' and resultants on either of those two organs, apparently it will cause your bowels to fail(brown note theroy)
falaqdad15 2 years ago
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theaterpipe1 2 years ago
Absolutely! Our church of St. Mary Redcliffe in Bristol has a rank of 32' Double Ophicleides and a rank of 32' Contra Trombones (enclosed). When you draw both and open the swell fully, the reeds shake the place! Fantastic feeling having all that power at the disposal of your feet :-)
lee1984yate 2 years ago
i take it you have to "fine-tune" those suckers with a chainsaw LOL
weylin6 2 years ago
I play this organ every October, the 32ft Contra trombone is really only heard best from the Nave. The Video is being taken from behind the East Choir, Not Good. It is even overpowering in the Choir.
Great Organ though.
ch01rman 2 years ago
remindes me of the overpowering
16' Fagot (so not of the gay type ! lol)
we have on our school organ. It sounds like this and in the main chapel it ruins the sound of the rest of the organ! You cant even use it for french romantic music except on the last chord.
organist12345 2 years ago
The 32' double ophicleide in Durham Cathedral is simply devastating!! So is the rest of the bombarde division for that matte!!
toonahfish 2 years ago
Great sound. but the pipes in the video are not making it. They are 32 ft open wood. The 32 ft bombarde reed pipes are somewhere else, pity they are never shown in the video.
qwakko 2 years ago
Look at 2:45 that ladies face is like "holy shit!" I think the sound being created took her by surprise LOL!
poopingeneral 2 years ago 14
@poopingeneral Do you have to be so crude in your remarks?
59swl 1 year ago
@59swl rude? There's nothing rude in my remarks. It's true what I said in my remarks, just look at that face expression. It resembles someone taking a huge crap.
poopingeneral 1 year ago
Oh dear. Trust the Americans.
"The organ at Memorial Lutheran Church, where I am organist, has an even louder 32' Contra Bombarde on it than that"
How can you tell - from a Video recording?
Is LOUDER = BETTER?
fruityfj 2 years ago
who knows...we got the biggest in the world in New Jersey the Midmer Losh Organ.
poopingeneral 2 years ago
Awesome bass.. I wish someday i'll see something like this:)
TAPmaintenance 2 years ago
Amazing bass there. I'm from Tasmania, and there's a block of stone from this cathedral embedded in the wall of our own cathedral, aslo St. David's, here in Hobart.
Whitefoord 2 years ago
That is some kick ass bass! I swear you could drown out a rock concert with that organ by itself!!!!! that was awesome! 5 stars!
poopingeneral 2 years ago 3
The organ at Memorial Lutheran Church, where I am organist, has an even louder 32' Contra Bombarde on it than that. At Mem. Luth, they are more like Contra Festival Trumpets than Bombardes, you can never have enough 32'!!! To add there is also a full scale 32' Contra principal adn a 32' Sub-Bourdon :) Love my 32's!!!
bestminstrel 2 years ago
You need to go to St. John the Divine in New York.....
jacksonborges 2 years ago
I think, Bombardes ane generally louder than trombones.
y11971alex 2 years ago
true, but posaune's top it all
youngergermanpope 2 years ago
What a din. Mind you if you stick the microphone in with the pedal chests what do you expect?!
ThirtyTwoFoot 2 years ago
Anything is the loudest in the world if you're standing under it.
jacksonborges 2 years ago 2
I konw what you mean It happened to me ( Easter 1977 Saint John The Divine NYC )
eutuve 2 years ago
I know that thiis may not be quite to the point: that the great majority of the youtube vedios do not record the fundimental of the 32' stops, so, we hear but harmonics and individual beats, not quite so just, is it?
y11971alex 2 years ago
contras on steroids, they arent usually that loud
railfanatic844 2 years ago
i wish i could play like that....that would be really cool
ownerfate 2 years ago
Has nobody noticed the sublime architecture?
1401JSC 2 years ago
where at?
ownerfate 2 years ago
St David's Cathedral!
Mainly Norman and early gothic architecture.
The composition of the organ is on Harrson and Harrison's website (major rebuild 1998-2000. IV/54 with 2 enclosed divisions.
1401JSC 2 years ago
Yes, if you look a few pages back. The nave arcade dates from the 1100s and is a superb example of transitional romanesque. The nave ceiling is breathtaking - it is intricately carved oak and dates from the middle of the sixteenth century.
Knappa22 2 years ago
Toll 5*
DennisWubs 2 years ago
TOO LOUD BECAUSE YOU ARE NEXT TO IT!
In the church it probbaly sounds wonderful.
Thanks, Arie, for the stops
and others for the interesting information.
RWG Denver, Colorado USA
robertgift 2 years ago 2
Isn't there a 32' Serpent in Blackburn Cathedral?
Does anyone know of a 32' Leviathan?
1401JSC 2 years ago
HaHa, "we're all amused by the removal of the "l" from the "motor pool"."
y11971alex 2 years ago
?what?
bradhorn14 2 years ago
Some information about the Contra Trombone.
This Contra Trombone is orginaly from St Marylebone Parish Church. And it resonades a very powerfull note. A contra trombone can be made of inverded pyramide shape, zinc, pipe metal, or in some rare cases the are made of wood.
In this case the are made of wood but most comenly it is a reed stop but NOT in this case. The 12 wooden pipes you see at the choir organ are the Contra Trombones.
ArieVisker 2 years ago
You are incorrect.
The Contra Trombone is a new rank made by Harrison suring the refit in 2000.
Only the Double Open Wood 16' and the Open Diapason 16' came from Marylebone.
Oh and FYI, I posted the Pedal Organ specs ages ago if you look back in the comments
Knappa22 2 years ago
Whether it was made by H&H or anyone else for that matter it sounds like a pile of old cobblers to me. The English are not convincing in the creation of 32' reeds. However if you cross the Channel you will find examples that will knock the spots of this huge farting machine all day long.
ds1868 2 years ago
"huge farting machine"
I love you !
irkibby 2 years ago
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y11971alex 2 years ago
I don't now the specific details how a wood pipe can give that sound sorry. But it is rare you don't see it often.
@robertgift: Thanks
ArieVisker 2 years ago
A wood pipe is not making that sound. The 32' reed pipes that ARE making the sound are not visible in this video. The wood pipes that are seen are the lower notes of the 32' diapason. You can't get a contre trombone sound from a wooden labial pipe.
bradtaylor32 2 years ago
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y11971alex 2 years ago
ArieVisker 2 years ago
Yea same here..but that church is way too small for such a big sound..the 32' contras are way too loud and they sound more like giant farts than musical notes..but still it would be cool to feel the vibration from that close up!!!
firenmage 2 years ago
Hahaha, the lady jumps at 3:19. I would too!
violaguy312 2 years ago
I live by St Davids... and i thought that Diane Bisdh only played in America and Eurpoe but i was sooo exited when i saw this!!!!!!
YoungOrganist 2 years ago
I was standing right next to them. In the main section of the church they are much less over-powering.
bishfan 2 years ago
Who plays this Boelman? It is -- excepting of using 32"-- best of all interpretations, I heard.
Arjunai 2 years ago
Diane Bish is playing this piece on this video.
bishfan 2 years ago
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Aaronorganist19 2 years ago
Correct me if I am wrong but the Pipes u show in the video in the aisle is not the 32 Contra Trombones. They are the 32 double open from the instrument previously occupied in St Marylebone Church London. U woudn't get a full length 32 reed in the Harrison cases . There simply woudn't be the height or room for them. I would suspect the reed is actually half length and on 6 inches of wind. I think the reeds only sound loud mainly because of the dry acoustic of the Cathedral .
lustful2 2 years ago
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Aaronorganist19 2 years ago
the 32 trombone and 16 trombone are under the cathedralo aisle so they are full length but only the top speaks in to the aisle along side the Tuba 8 on top of the organ case.
Aaronorganist19 2 years ago
what rubbish
organist12345 2 years ago
epic!
tonywozere 2 years ago
The individuals standing next to those loud pipes that bellowed were REALLY brave (or insane ;D!).
ConsiderChange 2 years ago
Correct me if I'm wrong but the loud clunk you hear at 2:29 is the pneumatic action of a very large pallet opening up in the Contra Tombones chest. You usually hear it with almost every other chest but its drowned out by the sound volume. In this case its such a large device its like moving a tree.
KE5RHD 2 years ago 3
I've played the Harrison at St. David's recently. I wasn't overly impressed with the 32' Trombone, but then it's a totally different story when you're sat up in the gallery! :-)
lee1984yate 2 years ago
It does sound a bit rough. It's not the fault of the organ - it's the chamber it speaks into. There's nor enough space, height, or acoustic to round off the sound or to give it a rolling effect.
Knappa22 2 years ago
Did you get shown around by Simon Pearce? He's lovely ;-)
Knappa22 2 years ago
I didn't meet Simon, I did however meet Alex Mason ;-) ;-)
lee1984yate 2 years ago
I think the most devastating 32 ft in England is probably Westminster Cathedral's Willis. If fires straight down the nave from the West End. I used to live in West Wales. This is a lovely organ but far from the loudest organ. It sounds like you were right on top of those pipes hence not hearing the organ in balance.
mattbod 2 years ago
haha! that was cool! So close as you could come up there with the pipes. Nice video!
matjuh86 2 years ago
This is so unsoectacular! Have you ever heard of the Cavaillé-Colls in St-Ouen, Sacre-Choeur or Notre Dame before 1992? The next time I'll record my organ, I'll put the camera one metre next to the Pedal stops and post it with the title "The loudest 16' Bombarde pipes I've ever heard."
polsterj 2 years ago
to be fair, the maker of the video never claimed that these are the loudest contra trombone ranks in the world or anything like that. He/she just said they're the loudest ones they've heard - obviously proximity to the pipes has a lot to do with that in this case. Most sensible people viewing the vid would have understood this.
Knappa22 2 years ago 2
mistakes on 0'22 , 0'27 1'09
blizzzzard1234567890 2 years ago
There are little slips all the way through, She also makes mistakes on the Salome Grand Choeur on the same organ. Perhaps she didn't like the consoles? I admire her actually, going all around the world playing complicated pieces on organs that are very unfamiliar to her. Must be difficult.
Knappa22 2 years ago
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blizzzzard1234567890 2 years ago
Awesome! Sounds like a Creature being awoken from deep sleep! I agree with ya man, 32' sare not such a good idea for an older building, especially mounted on da wall!!!!
mikesolejazz 2 years ago 2
Great video, but does anyone else who has some knowledge of organs think that maybe the reed needs to be regulated? Sounds a bit off.
CoutureOrganiste 2 years ago
Of course, once you stand right next to the 32', their sound overweighs the discant part. This construction is made for the audience facing the front of the organ.
2lipsonmy0rgan 2 years ago
The human ears are not able to locate the source of low frequencies like 32' or 16'. This is why it is not important where you place those pipes in the church. The beuatiful medieval choir barrier would not be stable enough to bear a complete organ of a 32' size.
2lipsonmy0rgan 2 years ago
they will look great if placed outside of the chamber
y11971alex 2 years ago
If I might comment, the human ear is able to locate those sound, but not the sound from a 64'
NederlandZingt 2 years ago
i've been in this church a few of days ago, the organ is marvellous
Guilloufan 2 years ago
are you sure the RED pipes are TROMBONES?
y11971alex 2 years ago
The Trombones aren't visible in this video. (only audible) The large square red pipes seen here are part of the Double Open Diapason 32' rank.
bishfan 2 years ago
Sorry, the red pipes are not OPEN.
2lipsonmy0rgan 2 years ago
Really. What are they then?
Knappa22 2 years ago
How would you know if they're open or not? The biggest one appears to be at least 30 feet long, so it must be open, otherwise we're looking at a 64' subbass, which is impossible. Besides, the specs posted for the Pedal division shows no stopped 32' stop. It's an Open Diapason 32', period.
Rankett16 2 years ago
The pipes you see in the South aisle (the a square ones painted red) are of course made of wood and is the 32' Double Open Wood gifted as lustful2 says below from St Marylebone Church, London. The 32' Contra Trombone you hear on this recording is located in the Quire Screen facing onto the the South Aisle (where the recordist is located). Not sure whether they're full length but I would assume the bottom octave is probably zig-zagged a little bit - no harm in this and no effect on quality etc.
ds1868 2 years ago
thats outrageous why don't i go 2 inches away from the flute, and post the loudest flute. It is completely out of context and therefore useless.
Did you see the chairs there, I would NOT want to sit there
alazybear 2 years ago
They were the loudest I've heard FROM WHERE I WAS STANDING. I was standing in a section of the church where the congregation is not normally at. If you were to stand where the congregation is normally at, the Contra Trombones would be much quieter and blend in with the rest of the organ. I was just trying to show how loud the Contra Trombones are when you stand right next to them.
bishfan 2 years ago
Its so loud because your right next to the chamber....its the same as if you were to put the mic next to the mixt