The Law meaning the 10 commandements was never intended to be carried out, this is why Jesus says I have come to fulfill the Law or pay the price for the Law which was with his life. He gave us a new Law love the Lord with all your heart mind and soul and love your neighbor as yourself. If you can do those two things you will follow the whole law but you can't do this in sin or and be sinning because that speaks against what you may say you believe.
People do continue to grow, you skin grows old, your hair gets grey, you fingernails get long and need to be cut.... So does your understanding regarding life and holiness and righteousness and religion it must grow look at Peter in Acts 10 God had to grow him out of the Jewish lifestyle and into the broad expression in which God exists. The start is still freedom from sin, don't use the word perfect it's still free from sin forever which is simply yet complexly free from sin
Sin according to what I believe is Laid out in Galatians 5:19-21 those that do those things deliberately as you say or accidentally if that were possible are still in their sins. Galatians 5:22-24 spells out how those who have truly accepted Christ live. If you crucify your flesh you are dead to it, like what Romans 6:11 and 12 giving a direct command regarding sin... I mean read all of Romans 6 Paul is giving the strongest argument for freedom from sin..... Just dont use the word perfect...
The question I have for you is #1 to you what is Sin? #2 what LAW are you referring to maybe perfect is the word which you are putting too much into. If you have a baby or a man with 2 arms, 2 legs, 2 feet, 2 ears, 2 eyes, a mouth, 32 teeth, 10 fingers and 10 toes humanly they are for lack of a better word perfect. What makes people imperfect is being born into sin, or born with Satan connected to their Spirit. Jesus brakes this connection by dying on a cross and rasing from the dead
@dassol1975 Sin according to biblical language and scripture is simply falling short of God's perfect standards of perfection. Missing the mark. Nut no man has and never will meet those standards of perfection (Ecc. 7:20 & 1 Kings 8:46). This is why GRACE is SOOOOO crucial. However, this is not a means to live in continuous and deliberate sin. Though we are contaminated with sinful flesh, we still have responsibility and accountability....
There is only one way to sin deliberately, there are no accidental sins... If you did it you intended on doing it... If you don't then you were given the power not to and the good common sense to do what is right. Even with that doing what is right is not the only requirement it's accepting fully the preached gospel of Jesus Christ which is nothing but freedom from sin deliberate or intention or so called unintentional....
@dassol1975 You raise some very good points. However, that still doesn't refute the fact that we as believers still never meet the perfect standards of the Law. According to the context in Psalm 19:12-13 & Luke 12:47-48, we will alwasy have to continue to grow in holiness. There is no sinless perfection.
Until you have accepted salvation for yourself and even see the need to you will stay in your position. I understand what you claim to believe but you will never alone be able to understand the truth until you can accept the truth. It's like an alcoholic they can't see they are an alcoholic nor do they believe they are until they are forced to see themselves and change. In the same way you will continue to fight to stay in sin so long as you are in sin. And I am quite sure your response if a
@dassol1975 I couldn't agree with you more; the problem is that you don't me to conclude that I'm living in continuous and deliberate sin. so, let me ask you a simple question that many have not been able to giev an honest answer for, (if you don't mind me asking); have YOU sinned at least once since your conversion to Christ?
@provision59 This is just getting dsad, jdtate. You actually went out of your way to createa sock account, just to harrass me some more. I guess you want me to block you again. Ma'a'm, you are not correcting me at all. In fact, you have proven to be nothing less than contentious and you are NOT at all displaying any evidence of being filled or lead by the Holy Ghost. You are beginning to convince me that you don't even know God.....
@vekl You can make a million vidoes about me but be careful not to make admissions about my SPIRIT. I give you permission to say what you will about me, if I were trying to please men I wouldn't be a servant of the LORD JESUS CHRIST. It is not you I am concerned about only those you are deceiving with this heresy now tell me is my accusation false???
@vekl We are trying to destroy the works of the devil, you are promoting it. Like John the Baptist said aloud, "Repent!" Stop preventing men from entering into the Kingdom of Heaven vekl with this false doctrine and this false hope. Men need a relationship with GOD. If we are not to be yoked with unbelievers or conform to the world how much more will GOD deny those who have not sincerely repented and we are able to see it clearly by the fruits they show. You are without the knowledge of GOD.
@provision59 Now, I've blocked you once again, jdtate, and you know the reason why. If you have more to say to me or about me, then make a video about it or contact your brother. But if you create ANOTHER sock account, and send me MORE email or make MORE comments, then we (the whole Christian community) will know for sure that YOU are lead by pride to respond, rather than simply reject me as told in titus 3:10. Remember what it says....
@jdtate58 2) Titus 3:10 "A man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition REJECT;" But you won't do it! You won't listen, because your pride will get the best of you, and you will not be able to allow the Holy Spirit (that's if He's in you at all) to fight of that spirit of pride and contention, and you'll eventually make ANOTHER sock account just to harrass me some more and then block me so that you can get the last word. Prove me wrong, young lady, as you've done already....Sad!!
@jdtate58 3)Again, my offer stands, but I will not read anymore of your accusatory and arbitrary PM's to me, unless they are showing willingness to talk cordially!!”
Another translation reads you generation of snakes, you vipers, how will escape damnation." But you say I offend I am harsh, this is the same thing Carlton Pearson pushes and effeminate men alike. Next you probably proclaim there is no hell. Real men of GOD recognize their error and repent like Peter in Gal 2:11 you are so anxious to be right and more than one person has rebuked you. You are stubborn and have fallen into satan's error of pride, you are still in your sins.
and unwillingness to truly repent, you offend GOD, you make a mockery out of HIS Holy Commandments and with your religion(practice) of lawbreaking you bring his WORD into disrepute are you not a once saved always saved advocate??? You men hate authority and will not listen to sound doctrine, you cannot receive it, you are in enmity with GOD, men should truly beware of vekl's yeast and the yeast of men like him. Matt 23:33 JESUS says, "You brood of vipers how will you escape the fire of hell?"
Give ear to me ppl, holiness can be obtain. Fast and pray get on your knees and repent. JESUS offended many but HE was still Holy and Righteous, let's examine shall we. Luke 13:32 "Go tell that fox I will keep on driving out demons healing people today and tomorrow." Matt 21:12 My house shall be called a house of prayer but you have made it into a den of thieves." JESUS whipped the false religious men out of the Temple with a whip. So if my WORDS offend you understand this that with your lies
Children do not be like Lots wife and look back, forsake your old life, obey and abide in HIM. Be renewed, regenerated and live Holy before GOD. Do not be like the foolish virgins in Matthew 25:1-13. This is the last days and it will be as it was in the days of Noah. If you love HIM truly then do what HE says, remember HIS teachings always and obey HIM. JESUS is returning for a Bride without spot or blemish. My msg is out of compassion for your souls, live right before GOD and obey Him.
PERFECTION IS NOT SOMETHING ATTAINED IT IS A DAILY DECISION TO WALK WITHOUT SIN! Not a place you reach and say "I have finished" but you get up everyday and pray to the father to lead and guid you in true righteousness and to hide his word in your heart that you may not sin against him. If you actually listened you would have a better understanding of what we mean by moral perfection
"PERFECTION IS NOT SOMETHING ATTAINED IT IS A DAILY DECISION TO WALK WITHOUT SIN! Not a place you reach and say "I have finished" HALLELUJAH!!!! Exactly my point!! but your problem is that you and all the other s.p.'s continuously try to put words in my mouth. If you actually listened you would have a better understanding of what I mean by moral perfection.
@vekl You sir will pay for your deception, once saved always saved is a destructive heresy like I said before and still remains you will not stand for CHRIST if your life depended on it because you love your life. It is true that GOD has created a delusion for some, you believe the delusion of this heresy because you don't believe men can live holy. Like I said you should not be preaching that all is destined to fall setting men up to be slaves to sin again you know nothing and you are damned
@jdtate58 ARE YOU GOD, now?!?!? Is that it?!?!? Is this all that you're good at young lady? Falsely accusing poeple of teahing heresy, when you haven't even watched the entire video or even all other videos i made regarding this issu? And why in the world do you continue to harrass me without abiding by the statues of God? You are NOT a prophet! You have NOT been sent by God, and you have no omniscient knowledge of whom of I am....
@jdtate58 Ma'am. I'm sorry but you appear to be EXTREMELY irrational, and you are not displaying the attributes of a believer in God. Your brother has my contact inforamtion. I am more than willing to PUBLICLY debate you or ANYONE ELSE on this issue if you want to talk CORDIALLY about this. The video stays....but your aarbitrary accusations will not......Contact your brother if you wish to contact me, I'll be MORE than happy to talk with you. Sorry ma'am but for now, you are blocked.
@vekl If you were smart you would know that this is not a doctrine you present to the church, GOD is Holy and men should be taught to live like so. You will pay for your rebellion in the end ppl hate to live right they want a pass. So you continue with your pass it is evident you are lost and a comrade of the world apart of the many walking toward destruction. My msg is not for you. It is for those who have a pure sincere desire to repent of their sins. I am trying to save them from your error.
@jdtate58 I had a very long 6 hour conversation with your brother, and afterwards he and I have not only came to the conclusion that there is a TREMENDOUS misunderstanding between you and me, but that we need to HUMBLE OURSELVES FIRST and make an effort to approach IN PRIVATE according to Matthew 18. You will see that your constant antagonism is no at all necessary and you very well maybe fighting against one of God's own.....
@jdtate58 2)Go on, ask your brother about our conversation, young lady and see what he tells you......You REALLY need to humble yourself and talk to him. And when you get a chance, go to God and ask Him to reveal to you where YOU need to grow. You've been VERY offensive during this whole discussion and I do not think that you are currently displaying the fruits as expressed in Galatians 5:22. Take some time to get on your knees and ask the Lord to show you humility, and then let's talk.
Why do you keep making these claims that i hate people? I never said or showed hate towards you man. Please dont stereo type me with others you have not heard the least of what i have to say but you claim that i hate you! We do not teach hate so please stop making false accusations
You say our lives dont show perfection. Well show us where we are sinning if not stop making these false claims. No one ever said since conversion they have not sinned you made that up! If you would listen to the words we speak before casting judgement you would understand what we are saying. Maybe talking to you via telephone would be more productive. Why do you feel that it is a sin to stop inning. You act like the Father desires for us to remain in sin. Stop the attacks on his true children.
@ithastobesaid1 You sir, just ike many other sinless perfectionists have shown inability to answer HONESTLY the simple question that I've proposed to every last one of you. 'have you sinned at least once since conversion?' why do you continue to act pharisaical and desire to immediately hate people? Is this the traits of one that's attained sinlessness?
No answer the question honestly is it possible for you to go a day without sinning? Do you ever teach about overcoming sin or do you make videos to justify it. You say that you follow the MEssiah but the very first message he came preaching was REPENT! FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND! What does repent mean to you? Arguing with a child is not my aim but i feel you try to decieve people by making claims that you cannot back up.
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. 1John2:6
How did Jesus wak? WITHOUT SIN. Is it possible VEKL.
Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. WE ARE HOW ABOUT YOU?
@ithastobesaid1 "How did Jesus wak? WITHOUT SIN. Is it possible VEKL." Yes. Jesus walked without sin. Because He was God in the flesh. This is why He said what He said in Matthew 19:16-17. That there is only ONE that is good. Jesus was talking about ONLY Himself. Not Christians.......
@ithastobesaid1 2)Now if you believe that COMPLETE sinlessness is attainable, then let me ask you the same exact question that I still cannot seem to get an honest answer from any so called sinless perfectionist; "have YOU sinned at least once since your supposed conversion?" A simple yes or no would suffice.
@ithastobesaid1 3)Also, let me ask you; how do you HONESTLY reconcile Heb 12:5-11, Rev. 3:19, James 5:16, Ecclesiastes 7:20, 1 john 1:8-10, with the assumption that Christian are 100% sinless?
Where did you hear me say i ncontinue in sins? You are not only a Hypocrite but you are a liar also. You have alot to repent of son! Show me where i said i continue to sin!
@ramonkey0807 You've admitted it through your actions, and your refusal to answer honestly the simply question I gave you. you also admit it by simply admitting that you are without sin which is a violation of 1 John 1:8-10. you've made it very clear, young lady.
@ramonkey0807 Believe me when i say that i truly had no intention of blocking you, but when you continue with ad hominem attacks that cannot be backed up, then it shows you're not willing to listen. It truly is a shame to see that there are athiests that can hold a more humble discussion than you.
Name calling? How old are you if i was a HYPOCRITE and you called me a HYPOCRITE i would have to say you have rightly judges so just shake your head north and south and admit you are a false teaching HYPOCRITE!
@ramonkey0807 Well, i guess, you have failed to prove to the entire world that you are without sin, and at the same time accuse me of sin, even though you don't even know me. That's awfully hypocritcal, and it truly is a shame that you refuse to (or cannot) see it. Rather than provide scripture, you hypocritically attack me. Amazing. Tell you what, i'm gonna block you for now, because you seem to be unable to hold a rational convo. Let me know, if you want a REAL discussion. God bless you.
You have said that you sin! You will be justified or condemned by your own words. Please show me where i have sinned and i will repent and be perfected by the spirit in that area!
I agree we have growing to do but you say no one can stop sinning. Im pretty sure you commit the same sins over and over there are not that many sins and we are concious of all of them. I have SINNED is different than saying "I SIN EVERY DAY" with a smile on my face! You people sure do love to show this false humility and glory in your sins its so sad!
@ramonkey0807 " Im pretty sure you commit the same sins over and over.." Wow! This is absolutely amazing to me! There you go again, with the arbitrary and ad hominem attacks!!! You know nothing of me, young lady, and why do you keep saying that, when YOU YOURSELF is still sinning??! You're making this discussion way too easy for me to win. Is name calling and assumption all you have against me? Really?!?!?
@ramonkey0807 How in the world do you expect ANYONE to take your accusations seriously, when you just admitted to continuing in sin yourself? You hoestly cannot see the hypocrisy in that? Seriously?
the Christian nwo of course the "Christian" can refuse to obey the spirit and therfore they no longer remain in Christ.How is that hard to understand? I think you are leaning to your own understanding and not to that of the Spirit of truth. If I bring your scripture and you say "I SAID' You are decieving people. You know what the word says but refuse to obey. I would say that i will pray for you but until you show fruits meet of repentance you will remain in darkness
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Now tell me this does this description fit you.What sins do you commit that are not willful? We are not saying a Christian cannot sin as in it being Physically impossible but being led by the spirit hes restrained
Sir you are not disputing with me you are disputing against the very WORD of GOD. and since it is evident that you have an unrepentant heart and are a minister of the evil one and this world is your portion. I have nothing more to say to you. You lack wisdom, I will pray for you.
@jdtate58 No, ma'am. you have failed to provide any logical and honest evidence to support your position. And I am very much in line with the word of God. And yes, you should pray for me. but if you pray for me, you better check your pride at the door. Get on your knees and beg the LORD God to reveal the truth to the both of us. And while you're at it, ask him for humility upon yourself. Don't be like the PharisseE in Luke 18:11-12.
you have been deceived by satan in this once saved always saved doctrine because it sounds better but you will have to give an account to GOD. It is evident ppl that if one does not bear fruit, he is not of GOD. Let us learn from JESUS' WORDS and HIS Lifestyle. Yet you will argue that if a man struggles with beating his wife he is still a man of GOD and you don't throw him out of the church.
@jdtate58 Why do you continuously speak in arbitrary fashions, young lady? If you don't accept the fact that Christ promised that He would not lose His own, then that's between you and Him. If you say that we can lose salvation, then you are contradicting john 6 and john 10, and you're calling Christ an incompetent liar.....
@jdtate58 2) And you STILL contradict yourself. If you say that a christian CANNOT sin, then how can they lose salvation? what must a christian do to lose salvation? Sin? Stop believing? But do you not believe that a true Christian can't do that? PLease stop with the futile arbitrary comments and back them up EXEGETICALL, RATIONALLY, LOGICALLY, BIBLICALLY, and HONESTLY!!
@vekl Listen man. Anyway you put it you are arguing that "Christians" can continue in sin and also remain children of the Father. JDTATE58 is not saying that a Christian cannot sin the Word of God says so. If you sin without true repentance you have fallen from grace. To repent means "to turn from". How can you say that you have repented of anything that you are currently still bound by. The Father is merciful and his grace is sufficient for those who have been broken and turn from their sins.
@ramonkey0807 "How can you say that you have repented of anything that you are currently still bound by" now THIS is a good question, and one that I give an answer to in my video about 'sin'.
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I did not ever say that will continue in the SAME sin, but that we still have a lot of growing to do. Why are you even continuing this discussion with me anyway, when you've just admitted that you have sinned?
I continue in what I've learned I continue in renewing my mind and I do not allow the enemy to have a footstool. Each man is tempted when he is drawn away by his own evil desires...his own evil desires...his own evil desires(or lusts) and enticed. Key Word enticed. Like Eve was deceived by the serpent promising her lies and things that were more pleasurable than obeying GOD'S Holy Will.
Even though my mind is clear as brother Paul exclaimed, 'I am not innocent.' You have no understanding and by confessing that you fall often and still sin against GOD you have nothing left but a fearful expectation of Hell fire.You are preaching on matters that you should not and you bring the WORD of GOD into disrepute.
If you are not renewing your mind you are not obeying Scripture therefore if you are weakened in your desire to sin it is because you are not obeying. And why do you call HIM LORD and do not do what he says. Brothers and sisters this man does not have a problem with us but he has a problem with the very WORD of GOD. Because he is at enmity with GOD, so let us pray for him and not waste anymore time instructing one who is self-destructive.
@jdtate58 Have YOU renewed your mind PERFECTLY? Yes or no? and again, you are confusing my words. Im am NOT saying that we must sin or that we HAVE TO sin. You have not heard me say such a thing. What IAM saying is that you are not perfect. if you think perfect is attainable, then how do you explain Ecc. 7:20 and 1 john 1:8-10? Why do we as christians need chastening/ (Heb. 12:5-11 & Rev. 3:19) PLease explain this to yourself
@vekl I've already explained Ecclesiastes 7:20 to you by saying that we all have sinned but when we were made a new person we do not sin because it is of the devil and we walk in light the newness of life which is holiness. Why should we do something against GOD that we do not desire to do anyways, to please man?? Yes my mind is new and I obey the BIBLE by adding good things to my faith and I think on good things. I don't listen to secular music or watch perversion I stay away from sinful things
No i am against the error you teach not against you personally! I hope that you would repent of your dead works and come to partake in his holiness as we have. I however do not see you as a brother but as a distant neighbor. I love you none the less man. We do not teach hate so i would appreciate if you stopped implying that. Dont play the woe is me game. I dont feel sorry for you one bit! If you stand on truth there is no occasion for stumbling in you. I dont argue just speak the word of truth.
@ithastobesaid1 It truly is a shame that you ppl have no ability to display perfection in your own life and yet you all violate the commandments at the same time. This is utterly sad and a video about this problem is long overdue.
They don't want us to interrupt their comfort they have come to accept and love this false Christianity that CHRIST never preached and that CHRIST(The WORD, Scripture) does not support. They look down on those of us who wish to live holy lives and persecute us for professing that we do. They are hypocrites ppl do not follow men like vekl they do not practice what they preach and they cannot give you liberty but only bondage.
@vekl What did JESUS say, "Why do you call me 'LORD, LORD' and do not do what I say." It should be a blessing to you that we are presenting to you your error so that you can repent and correct it but as it is you are a slave to sin and you love this world and the things of this world.
@vekl What fellowship does light have with darkness you are still lost, how dare you contend with those who walk in light if you actually considered yourself to be our brother you would be commending us and when we rebuked you, you would repent and be silenced until GOD enters your heart and body but as it is you are a worker of iniquity and you love darkness.
@ramonkey0807 I did already. Actually. I think I agreed with a great majority of it. It was a breath of fresh air to hear him say that he does not believe in salvation by works.
@ramonkey0807 LOL!! Nope. Not Washer, in whom you hate (and shame on you if you do), but from the word of God Himself. Matthew 19:16-17, 2 Corinthians 5:21, 1 Peter 2:22
@vekl I never said i have Washer please dont make assumptions concerning how i feel about individuals. Though i feel you teach false things i dont hate you. It is not of God to hate anybody. But those verses do not say that he had some unfair advantage. You are trying to justify your belief with those scriptures. Poor Job by the way. I have heard stronger arguments from the "Unfair Camp".
Ok you say he did not teach sinless perfection. Do you rip out the pages where Yeshua told the man who was lame to "Go and sin no more"? or when he told Mary the same? The father does not command anything that is impossible for man to do. The same spirit that dwelt in Yeshua DWELLS IN HIS CHILDREN! What part of that is so hard to understand. There was not unfair advantege he had over us. He understood what he was sent for and was obedient til death! OBEDIENCE IS WHAT HE EXPECTS!!
Jesus had the same flesh we did and was perfected through OBEDIENCE. He was tempted in all points as we are YET WITHOUT SIN. Are you saying that our lord had some unfair advantage over us while setting an example for us to follow? I think you are digging for exuses to live a lawless life. Repent the Father is not blind to the meditation of your heart! If you really hated sin you would obstain from it but for some reason i dont think this is the case
"Are you saying that our lord had some unfair advantage over us while setting an example for us to follow?" BINGO!!! He was God in the flesh! This is the ONLY reason why He was able to live without sin. The example He gave was to show us how perfect God is and how serious sin is to God. But He did not preach sineless perfection. He challenged you and me to show us that works do not get you into heaven but only the GRACE of GOD. Lest any man can boast.
I believe that at some point you believed you could live a sin free life but failed and decided in your heart that since you couldnt do it it was impossible. I also believe from your beliefs that you ENVY those who have not quit but are determined to endure until the end to be found WITHOUT SPOT OR WRINKLE! This race is not over man and the father is giving us time to get it right. If you think you are standing firm take heed lest ye fall
"I believe that at some point you believed you could live a sin free life but failed and decided in your heart that since you couldnt do it it was impossible" This is yet again another example of an ad hominem. You know jack squat about me and just like jdtate, you resort to emotionalism and name calling rather than address the argument. Is this the traits of a so called 'sinless perfectinist'? This seems awfully hypocritical, if you ask me.
@vekl We don't argue, we present the WORD of GOD which should be the end of all conversation but you sir make it into an argument. How is it that you actually think that you could combat the WORD of GOD, when everything that we've told you was Scriptural and good for reproof. You ppl accept what you want from the WORD instead of hearing and obeying IT. You know practicing HIS WORD and working the WORD, none of us are innocent but if holiness was not possible JESUS wouldn't have commanded it.
@ramonkey0807 If you are so sinless, then why are you not able to refrain from the unnecessary personal attacks of my character? i am a firm believer in the Lord Jesus Christ. That He died and rose from the grave. That He is God in the flesh. This by default makes me your brother in Christ (that's of course if you actually believe in Him). So if I am your brother, then why do hate me and violate Matthew 5:21-22?
@vekl You are not my brother, have you not read when JESUS' mother and brother were outside and HE said, "Who is MY mother or brother, those that do the Will of GOD are MY mother and brother." HIS followers feel like wise and you sir are not a fellow believer you will not even live holy and obey HIS Commandments so you are not my brother and ramonkey0807 is not attacking you he is rebuking you.
@jdtate58 You just continue to mke false accusation=s against me without having any knowledge at all. This is called LYING!!!!! And even if it were true, you are STILL in violation of Matthew 5:44. This is truly sad that you honestly cannot see the rror and hypocrisy of your logic.
@vekl Why do you want us all to be slaves to sin like you, NO!! I refuse to be a slave again. He that the SON sets free is Free indeed(absolutely, certainly, doubtlessly, truly, surely, very)
@jdtate58 "Why do you want us all to be slaves to sin like you," Do you see what I mean ladies & gentlmen? I asked a simple question, and rather than give a simple honest answer, jdtate resorts to ad hominem attacks without knowing anything about my personal life. I submit to you once more; does this look like the traits of a Holy Ghost filled or led believer in Christ? Where's the humility? Where's her accountability?...
This is exactly why sinless perfectionists claim that they are sinless because they have no accountability. They surround themselves with people who will not tell them that they still sin, and then they can sin all they want without anyone telling them that they are. Does this sound like the traits of a humble and contrite heart in which God desires and loves? (Psalm 34:18, 51:17, Isaiah 57:15, & 66:2) No, it doesn't!
@vekl Are you implying that you are humble and contrite at heart. You do not obey CHRIST therefore your humility is false you have submitted and committed yourself to sin. Would it be humble to you if I bowed to satan and sin? No! I already have a MASTER and I do what HE says.
@vekl Sir you are a slave to sin because you yourself have professed that you cannot stop sinning that it is impossible. This is not so for us true believers it is written, "I can do all things through the CHRIST who gives me strength" What does that mean?? Do you actually think that creating us anew and making us Holy is too hard for JESUS??? We are not condemning anyone they are already condemned we only tell the TRUTH because we belong to light, telling the TRUTH is of our very nature.
Last time i checked sarcasm wasnt a fruit of the spirit either! Mockery? Envy? You would have been on of the ones in line yelling "Crucify Him" If Yeshua showed up today you would no recognize him because he would be free form sin and you just cant Identify with that huh? Jesus was a sinless Perfectionest why shouldnt we be?
Jesus was the ONLY exception because he was God in the flesh. You are not. So if you think sinless perfection is attainable, then where is it in YOUR life? Have you sinned at least once since redemption? A simple yes or no is all I need. If you cannot anser that simple question then, perhaps you need to re-evaluate your position. Secondly, (LOL) where in the world do you get mockery, ENVY, and sarcasm from?
@vekl Ill answer yes!As every child must learn to walk by stumbling and falling so it is with a babe in Christ but when the child begins to grow walking is not as difficult as when they were a babe. Eventually they learn to run and sometimes they still may fall because they are learning a new thing. However when they are full grown and have perfected running there is no cause or excuse for stumbling! Thats why we RUN this race notCrawl to the finish line! Have you recieved your running legs?
@ramonkey0807 So you admit to sinning since conversion, then? If that is the case, then why do you have a problem with me? You've just admitted to me before the entire world that you've sinned. So therefore you have no right to call ANYONE a hypocrite, ma'am. You really need to take that beam out of your own eye FIRST!
SHE IS ACCUSING YOU HYPOCRITE! YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE NOT COME TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH AND YOU ARE TRYING TO HINDER OTHERS WHO ARE ENTERING IN! You guys are sad.ALL THE SIN YOU CAN BE ADDRESSING AND YOU ARE FIGHTING AGAINST THOSE WHO HAVE TURNED FROM SIN! HYPOCRITE!!!!!!!!!!!
"SHE IS ACCUSING YOU HYPOCRITE" I love it! I love how you s.p.'s all try to justify your sins by pointing the finger at those who expose your falsehoods. I love it!!! Keep on showing the world how much hatred is in you while you claim righteousness and sinlessness. Now, I'll ask you again (as no other s.p. has been able to honestly); have you sinned since your conversion to Christ?
We must have self control. My nature is new and I live holy because my sinful nature has been crucified with it's passions and desires. I have no desire to sin against GOD, I have a new nature this is true liberty from the bondage of sin. I thank GOD for HIS TRUE salvation. Hallelujah.
"I have no desire to sin against GOD" This statement of jdtate's would probably be better if she said; " I have no desire to PERPETUALLY sin against GOD". A statement like that would've displayed humility and honesty on jdtate's behalf. BUT does her statement of being a new creature comport with her most recent actions of relentless accusations against those that have openly professed their sins as instructed in James 5:16? no, they most certainly do not.
Yes we must have self control, and anyone who continues to sin PERPETUALLY and calls themself a child of God is a liar. But if we say that we are WITHOUT sin entirely, then we must know that this is a BLATANT contradicition of 1 John 1:8-10 which says; "If we say that we have NO SIN, we DECEIVE OURSELVES, and the TRUTH is NOT IN US....If we say that we have NOT sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us"
@vekl That would be al lgood and well if thats what the scriptures say but they say nothing about perpetually sinning you are making that up! Stop re-writing the bible you hypocrite! Adding to the bible is dangerous and you are walking on the edge! The bible says what is says!
Core did not say Paul was not a christian when he wrote it he was stating that paul was REFERRING to himself before conversion! Please stop trynna justify sin when you know the bible does not do so in any scripture!
@ramonkeyYou see, here you sinless perfectionists have a serious problem. Neither one of you can answer simple questions. And every last one of you all seem to have the same trait. I feel like I' talking to the same individual sometimes. You have no proof at all of me saying that we must sin or that we have to sin. 2ndly, if you claim that you are w/o sin, then how does that NOT contradict 1 john 12:8-10? Why can't anyone of you s.p. stop sinning and answer the honest question?
@vekl he knows the scripture all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of GOD, we were sinners sold to sin Read Romans 7 but thank GOD for JESUS CHRIST who delivered me from sin. JESUS CHRIST delivered, delivered delivered, delivered, delivered, delivered, delivered, delivered me......from sin. If we walk in the SPIRIT and live by the SPIRIT we will not fall or gratify the desires of the sinful nature. A man is a slave to whatever has mastered him. Be transformed by the renewal of your mind!
When are we going to see the so called self proclaimed sinless perfectionists admit that in order to be perfect in this world would mean that Christ did not have to die? When will they stop trying to blur the line between man and God? When will they stop believing and teaching that man can achieve Godhood by good works and self righteousness? when will they stop with the legalism/ when will they stop with all the faulty accusations?
This is what Peter said to him, "May your riches perish with you, for thinking you could buy the power of the HOLY SPIRIT." Let me just say that if you do not have the HOLY SPIRIT you're not saved. After faith works follows. READ Ephesians 2:8 We didn't do anything do to deserve grace but works follows. If works do not follow you're not saved. James READS faith without works is dead. James 2:14-26. Read Gal 5:26...'Those who lives like this will not inherit the kingdom of GOD.'
Religious system of today's Christianity, inclusion, ecumenicism and lawlessness. Choose this day whom you will serve, CHRIST or satan? You cannot serve both, if you are saved you are a new creation. These experts of greed are leading many astray and millions have fallen to Catholicism a synagogue of satan. This man accuses me of sinning in the words I say, well lets look at what Peter said to another man named Peter a sorcerer who wanted to purchase the Power of the Holy SPIRIT. READ Acts8:20
She seems to be so motivated by nothing but hatred towards those that oppose her teachings of sinlessness (which she herself openly admitted that she was incapable of attaining). Rather than abide by the standards of Galatians 6:1 and Matthew 18:15-17, she wants to publicly embarrass me and assert that I’m in sin, without even closelt examining my position. /does this really sound like a person that shows the fruits of the Spirit?
Which one of you reading these silly accusations of jdtate can accuse me of teaching that Christians MUST continue to sin, or that it’s ok to sin? I challenge ANYONE to show me. Jdtate, however has failed miserably in being able to do so. No one knows who jdtate is pressing these accusations against. She doesn’t have anyone in particularthat she can accuse......
LORD'........then I will say to them plainly, "Depart from ME you workers of lawlessness(iniquity) So what does that say, it says that JESUS didn't come to abolish the law and we must obey HIS commandments as CHRIST obeyed them even until death. The Christians who are of this world and do not believe that we can live Holy will indeed persecute those of us who are pressing and enduring to live holy on the earth. It is as truecore08 said in JESUS' day it was the pharisees in our day it is the
Ppl I have asked this man vekl how he comes up with the once saved always saved doctrine, what Scripture supports that?? Let's look at John 15:16, Hebrews 12:14, Matthew 7:21. If we are few those who live righteous before the LORD, and you are many those who live how you want and say that you are unable to live holy because you do not have faith in GOD to make you holy while living on earth from day to day. Then to whom is JESUS referring to in Matt 7:21 when HE says many will say to me 'LORD
I like truecore08 and all of those who stand for TRUTH must not tell lies because we are a new creature in CHRIST JESUS. My FATHER gave me the gift of righteousness to wear for a purpose and wouldn't you wear something your father has given you?? Like Joseph we are despised but you are, 'impostors deceitful workman masquerading as apostles of light.' 2Corinth 11:13 You will not tell ppl the TRUTH you promise them liberty but you yourself are a slave of depravity. 2Peter 2:19
It's funny how you forgot that I told you about my life before CHRIST and even how I was deceived by a once saved always saved heretic yet forced to go to his church by my mother as a youth and all of the youth were living lasciviousness, immoral lifestyles because his msg was unable to change them or give them true life yet they believe they were saved yet they were dead in sins. Of course I am to be hated by you and all those who trust in that msg but GOD has called me to tell the TRUTH.
Today's Christians are bold and arrogant and puffed up in pride believing & receiving every spirit that claims to be from CHRIST. They hate authority this is why there is an epidemic of parent churches. READ 2 Corinthians 11:14, 1 John 4:1. We must not trust every spirit but test the spirits I have sent this man vekl a series of msgs and even as he speaks on this video he is blind and leading others astray this is your warning ppl we are crying out to you telling you to repent. We must live Holy
@jdtate58 It's amazing to me how sinless perfectionists are so quick to continue to try to point out the errors in other people's lives but refuse to look at or admit their own. This is a direct violation of 1 John 1:8-10, and is a blatant example of a Pharisee. Jdtate (or jdHATE) has shown to the entire world how she hates brethren, by her own words of condemnation towards me. Anyone wanting to see a sample of it, let me know. I still have the copy.
@jdtate58 Yes, we must live holy. But you must also be honest and say that YOU have NOT lived 100% sinless ever in your life. If you say you have, then you are a LIAR and the truth is not in you. Oh wait! Where have I heard that phrase? (1 John 1:8-10)
I asked vekl how does he get around Heb 12:14 which states that 'without holiness no man shall see the LORD,' and he could not answer me. If you do not know the mystery(I am speaking foolishly) of how to live Holy then you are not qualified to teach others. This is true ppl please hear me when I say this, "Once saved always saved is a destructive heresy"(a lie from the pits of hell) Do you not see that satan is fighting for your souls. READ the entire chapter of 2 Peter 2:1-22 please ppl...
@jdtate58 The LORD has NOT sent you, jdtate. You are filled with hate because you have not abided by the standards of Galatians 6:1 and Matthew 18. Jdtate is teaching salvation by works. She is in essence rejecting that the work that Christ did on the cross was NOT complete and that we as fallible human beings must AID God in completing salvation by our good works. This is heresy. She has provided much scripture, but she will not answer the one simple question without lookin like a hypocrite!...
@jdtate58 I am more than willing and more than able to give an answer to every last one of jdtate's objections and challenges. In fact, I have PUBLICLY challenged her to a debate, but the fact is that she does not want an answer or a debate. She only wants to condemn me and several other sincere and law abiding brothers of Christ. She does not want an answer to Hebrews 3:12, 12:14, 11:17-21. why? Because she will not give an answer to passages such as Heb. 12:5-11, or 1 John 1:8-10.....
I have known muslims more righteous than Christians even with more indignation and they are taught to kill others who oppose them. Now we know these ppl are without GOD'S SPIRIT because they denounce JESUS as the SON of GOD. Yet they abstain from sin in their daily lives more so than these so called Christians. Who makes more excuses than a thief because they think they are under grace to do so and they will call a rebuke legalism. Holiness is a choice, Christianity is a lifestyle.
@jdtate58 Look at the condemning words of jdtate ppl! She has made absolutely no attempt at all to come to me CORDIALLY or in a CIVIL manner. She has violated Gal. 6:1 and Matthew 18, as well as Ecclesiastes 5:2-3, Titus 3:2, and Ephesians 4:31. Does this look like the words of a Holy Ghost filled believer in Christ being moved by the Spirit? I think not. But again, I'll PUBLICLY CHALLENGE jdtate to a cordial discussion on this or any issue any time.
men will heap on themselves a number of teachers that will tell them what their itching ears want to hear.2Tim 4:3 They will heap on themselves condemnation so in essence it is the ppl who gives leverage to the false preacher or teacher. And if GOD did not spare Israel HIS beloved how much more will HE destroy those who reject sound doctrine and reject HIS Only Begotten Son JESUS CHRIST, WHOM HE killed for us(believers). How do you reject HIM by not obeying HIS WORD, and by believing a lie.
deeds and they will not escape the fire of hell, you men are prideful bold and arrogant you will not hear the TRUTH, your hearts have become calloused, you're blinded by satan himself. All the devil wants is your soul, he's smart enough to blind you and cunning enough to get you to believe a lie. I feel so bad for ppl who are in these churches under preachers like you their destiny is a dreadful one. Even though I feel sorry for them, the BIBLE clearly states that in the last days men will heap
follow any other, if holiness and perfection were not possible then GOD would never command us to be holy or perfect. But you cannot see that and will not because you do not truly believe even satan himself and demons believe that JESUS exists but they will still perish. It is only those who does the will of GOD that will make it into Heaven. Ppl these preachers are wolves save yourselves from their error and do not partake in their judgement because GOD will deal with them according to their
It would not be fair for GOD to say be Holy and not equip us to do so, GOD is a GOD of order and justice HE means what HE says. Let GOD be TRUTH and every man a liar, any man that dies in his sins is going to hell. These preachers are wolves deceiving for selfish gain(money,excuse to live in sin etc..) Most men that preach the inclusion doctrine are homosexuals or adulterers they are lascivious men that care nothing for the sheaves of GOD but we HIS true sheaves know HIS voice and we will not
already made up your mind ahead of time that you will live partially for GOD and partially for the world and that is something you just cannot do.Matt 6:24 You cannot serve both masters you will either love one or hate the other. James1:23 Anyone who hears the WORD but does not practice it.... deceives himself. John3:19 This is the verdict:Light has come into the world but men love darkness instead of light because their deeds are evil.
Examine yourselves ppl and see if you're truly in the faith. It's not about what truecore08 says or even what I say it's about what GOD says. If GOD'S statutes are too hard for you to obey and honor then it is evident that this world is your portion and you do not want to be HOLY. Hebrews 12:14 Without holiness no man shall see the LORD. Many of you do not know truecore08 but by listening to this man degrade him you will probably never listen to what he has to say because many of you have
Matt7:21 "Not everyone who says to me 'LORD LORD' will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven but Only those who does the will of MY FATHER WHO is in Heaven."1Corinth2:9No eye has seen no ear has heard no mind has conceived the things that GOD has prepared for those who love HIM. John14 If you love me you will do what I say(keep my commandments)Luke 6:46 Why do you call me LORD LORD and don't do what I say.
1John 2:15-17 Do not love the world or anything of the world, if anyone loves the world, love for the FATHER is not in HIM. For everything in the world, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes the pride of life. Comes not from the Father but from the world, the world and it's desires pass away but the one who DOES the WILL of GOD lives forever. [Examine yourself to see whether or not you are of the faith?2Corinthians 13:5](Friendship with the world is enmity with GOD James4:4)
If every professing Christian is indeed of GOD then where are the many that will be deceived in the last days(now)??? Where are the fals prophets that CHRIST speaks of that will be many?? It is certainly not truecore08 bcuz he would have many subscribers and many would receive him not oppose. You are in error because you do not know the WORD of GOD. The BIBLE clearly states from JESUS, "If the world loves you it is because you belong to it..whoever loves the world is an enemy of GOD.
Paul said though I am clear minded I am not innocent, you wretched man you will find any excuse to live in sin. What truecore08 preaches is TRUTH for this very reason many will come to HIM (CHRIST) and HE will say to them depart from me I never knew you, you worker of iniquity(lawlessness). Because what you preach is false you will have many followers and many subscribers but the LORD knows those who are HIS.2Tim 2:19
You are in error John was saying that if we say we are without sin we lie and deceive ourselves. What he was talking about is life before becoming a Christian you hypocrite later in that same book john distinctively says, do not be deceived who ever does good is from GOD and whoever does what is evil is of the devil. 1john3:10 Whoever continues to sin has neither seen nor known HIM(JESUS CHRIST)1john3:6
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
@WalterSLane Thank you SOOOO much for quoting that. That passage in 1 John 3 CLEARLY shows the sinless perfectionists that though the true christianm is not perfect, they would still NOT able live in perpetual sin, but that they will flee from it, and seek repentence. thank you, my friend
...this will be my last post to you on the subject. If we are truly born again this means Christ is now in us, we don't have the same desire to sin that we once had; making us new or "perfect". Paul crucified his flesh daily, meaning he had to correct his carnal self on the regular cuz he knew that falling into temptation willingly/regularly is sin. We can't control the unknown, but once we KNOW, we are supposed 2 do better! Galatians 5:16-21 (oh and what the heck) verses 22-26, too!
@Yaqar I can see by the statements you made that you're being led by your own flesh, and you seem to want only to jump to argue, rather than to correct me BIBLICALLY. If you watched my other video, you'd probably see that I'm in agreement with you, but since you're allowing your carnality to overpower you, you won't listen. This is why you will not make any effort to really pay attention to what's being said. That's very typical! This is exactly why I said "subjectivism at it's best"........
@Yaqar But anyway I'll end it with this, (not that I have to answer to you). Christians do not live in CONTINUOUS and/or PERPETUAL sin. If we do sin, we are to repent and ask forgiveness. (1 John 1:8-10). It's truly that simple. Have a nice day and thanks for watching.
I already told you I just "stumbled" upon you, so of course I have not viewed all of your videos, and based on what I have viewed, I can fairly say that I won't be wasting my time with your other videos. It doesn't take me to view ALL of your videos to know that the information you shared in the one I did see was inaccurate. Why would I waste my time with inaccuracies - that would be a waste of time. I value my time. With that said...
The end result is that NO SINNER WILL INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD. So, it doesn't take a rocket scientist 2 figure out that it would b in our best interest, as those trying 2 please God, to stop willfully sinning! WILLFUL SIN is what TrueCore08 was speaking about.
You are attempting to make Jesus a liar, which makes your teachings false, because He, Himself, told people to "go forth and sin no more". He wouldn't have given that command, if it were not possible for us to do.
What is your motive with this video? In one breath you say that "Sinless Perfectionism" is impossible to achieve; and in another breath you say, but you're not supposed to sin. Which one is it?
Apparently, like the rest of the sinless perfectionists, you misunderstood my words, and immdiately jump to false conclusions. As of right now, I am weary of having back-and-forths with so called sinless perfectionists. Too much dishonesty on their part. So for now, I will only respond through more videos displaying the errors in their teaching and/or public debate. If YOU are interested, let me know. I've said my piece, and now I'm at peace. God bless.
@vekl Oh, you mistaken - I am not a "Sinless Perfectionist". I just learned of TrueCore08's TODAY. A friend sent me one of his videos and thru browsing, I stumbled upon yours. I'm a realist. And the reality of the matter is constantly doing willful, knowing sinful acts; makes you a sinner and their is no salvation for the sinner. Keep on posting your stuff - if I catch it, I catch it, but I definitely won't be looking for it, because your rhetoric is not accurate on this topic.
The Law meaning the 10 commandements was never intended to be carried out, this is why Jesus says I have come to fulfill the Law or pay the price for the Law which was with his life. He gave us a new Law love the Lord with all your heart mind and soul and love your neighbor as yourself. If you can do those two things you will follow the whole law but you can't do this in sin or and be sinning because that speaks against what you may say you believe.
dassol1975 3 days ago
People do continue to grow, you skin grows old, your hair gets grey, you fingernails get long and need to be cut.... So does your understanding regarding life and holiness and righteousness and religion it must grow look at Peter in Acts 10 God had to grow him out of the Jewish lifestyle and into the broad expression in which God exists. The start is still freedom from sin, don't use the word perfect it's still free from sin forever which is simply yet complexly free from sin
dassol1975 3 days ago
Sin according to what I believe is Laid out in Galatians 5:19-21 those that do those things deliberately as you say or accidentally if that were possible are still in their sins. Galatians 5:22-24 spells out how those who have truly accepted Christ live. If you crucify your flesh you are dead to it, like what Romans 6:11 and 12 giving a direct command regarding sin... I mean read all of Romans 6 Paul is giving the strongest argument for freedom from sin..... Just dont use the word perfect...
dassol1975 3 days ago
The question I have for you is #1 to you what is Sin? #2 what LAW are you referring to maybe perfect is the word which you are putting too much into. If you have a baby or a man with 2 arms, 2 legs, 2 feet, 2 ears, 2 eyes, a mouth, 32 teeth, 10 fingers and 10 toes humanly they are for lack of a better word perfect. What makes people imperfect is being born into sin, or born with Satan connected to their Spirit. Jesus brakes this connection by dying on a cross and rasing from the dead
dassol1975 3 days ago
@dassol1975 Sin according to biblical language and scripture is simply falling short of God's perfect standards of perfection. Missing the mark. Nut no man has and never will meet those standards of perfection (Ecc. 7:20 & 1 Kings 8:46). This is why GRACE is SOOOOO crucial. However, this is not a means to live in continuous and deliberate sin. Though we are contaminated with sinful flesh, we still have responsibility and accountability....
vekl 3 days ago
@dassol1975 There is never any excuse for sin. We must take up our cross DAILY!!
vekl 3 days ago
There is only one way to sin deliberately, there are no accidental sins... If you did it you intended on doing it... If you don't then you were given the power not to and the good common sense to do what is right. Even with that doing what is right is not the only requirement it's accepting fully the preached gospel of Jesus Christ which is nothing but freedom from sin deliberate or intention or so called unintentional....
dassol1975 4 days ago
@dassol1975 You raise some very good points. However, that still doesn't refute the fact that we as believers still never meet the perfect standards of the Law. According to the context in Psalm 19:12-13 & Luke 12:47-48, we will alwasy have to continue to grow in holiness. There is no sinless perfection.
vekl 4 days ago
Until you have accepted salvation for yourself and even see the need to you will stay in your position. I understand what you claim to believe but you will never alone be able to understand the truth until you can accept the truth. It's like an alcoholic they can't see they are an alcoholic nor do they believe they are until they are forced to see themselves and change. In the same way you will continue to fight to stay in sin so long as you are in sin. And I am quite sure your response if a
dassol1975 1 month ago
@dassol1975 I couldn't agree with you more; the problem is that you don't me to conclude that I'm living in continuous and deliberate sin. so, let me ask you a simple question that many have not been able to giev an honest answer for, (if you don't mind me asking); have YOU sinned at least once since your conversion to Christ?
vekl 1 month ago
@provision59 This is just getting dsad, jdtate. You actually went out of your way to createa sock account, just to harrass me some more. I guess you want me to block you again. Ma'a'm, you are not correcting me at all. In fact, you have proven to be nothing less than contentious and you are NOT at all displaying any evidence of being filled or lead by the Holy Ghost. You are beginning to convince me that you don't even know God.....
vekl 6 months ago
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@vekl You can make a million vidoes about me but be careful not to make admissions about my SPIRIT. I give you permission to say what you will about me, if I were trying to please men I wouldn't be a servant of the LORD JESUS CHRIST. It is not you I am concerned about only those you are deceiving with this heresy now tell me is my accusation false???
provision59 6 months ago
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provision59 6 months ago
@vekl We are trying to destroy the works of the devil, you are promoting it. Like John the Baptist said aloud, "Repent!" Stop preventing men from entering into the Kingdom of Heaven vekl with this false doctrine and this false hope. Men need a relationship with GOD. If we are not to be yoked with unbelievers or conform to the world how much more will GOD deny those who have not sincerely repented and we are able to see it clearly by the fruits they show. You are without the knowledge of GOD.
jdtate58 6 months ago
@provision59 Now, I've blocked you once again, jdtate, and you know the reason why. If you have more to say to me or about me, then make a video about it or contact your brother. But if you create ANOTHER sock account, and send me MORE email or make MORE comments, then we (the whole Christian community) will know for sure that YOU are lead by pride to respond, rather than simply reject me as told in titus 3:10. Remember what it says....
vekl 6 months ago
@jdtate58 2) Titus 3:10 "A man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition REJECT;" But you won't do it! You won't listen, because your pride will get the best of you, and you will not be able to allow the Holy Spirit (that's if He's in you at all) to fight of that spirit of pride and contention, and you'll eventually make ANOTHER sock account just to harrass me some more and then block me so that you can get the last word. Prove me wrong, young lady, as you've done already....Sad!!
vekl 6 months ago
@jdtate58 3)Again, my offer stands, but I will not read anymore of your accusatory and arbitrary PM's to me, unless they are showing willingness to talk cordially!!”
vekl 6 months ago
Another translation reads you generation of snakes, you vipers, how will escape damnation." But you say I offend I am harsh, this is the same thing Carlton Pearson pushes and effeminate men alike. Next you probably proclaim there is no hell. Real men of GOD recognize their error and repent like Peter in Gal 2:11 you are so anxious to be right and more than one person has rebuked you. You are stubborn and have fallen into satan's error of pride, you are still in your sins.
jdtate58 6 months ago
and unwillingness to truly repent, you offend GOD, you make a mockery out of HIS Holy Commandments and with your religion(practice) of lawbreaking you bring his WORD into disrepute are you not a once saved always saved advocate??? You men hate authority and will not listen to sound doctrine, you cannot receive it, you are in enmity with GOD, men should truly beware of vekl's yeast and the yeast of men like him. Matt 23:33 JESUS says, "You brood of vipers how will you escape the fire of hell?"
jdtate58 6 months ago
Give ear to me ppl, holiness can be obtain. Fast and pray get on your knees and repent. JESUS offended many but HE was still Holy and Righteous, let's examine shall we. Luke 13:32 "Go tell that fox I will keep on driving out demons healing people today and tomorrow." Matt 21:12 My house shall be called a house of prayer but you have made it into a den of thieves." JESUS whipped the false religious men out of the Temple with a whip. So if my WORDS offend you understand this that with your lies
jdtate58 6 months ago
Children do not be like Lots wife and look back, forsake your old life, obey and abide in HIM. Be renewed, regenerated and live Holy before GOD. Do not be like the foolish virgins in Matthew 25:1-13. This is the last days and it will be as it was in the days of Noah. If you love HIM truly then do what HE says, remember HIS teachings always and obey HIM. JESUS is returning for a Bride without spot or blemish. My msg is out of compassion for your souls, live right before GOD and obey Him.
jdtate58 6 months ago
@jdtate58 Yes. I totally agree. Live righteously, and do not teach sinless perfection if you yourself are still growing.
vekl 6 months ago
PERFECTION IS NOT SOMETHING ATTAINED IT IS A DAILY DECISION TO WALK WITHOUT SIN! Not a place you reach and say "I have finished" but you get up everyday and pray to the father to lead and guid you in true righteousness and to hide his word in your heart that you may not sin against him. If you actually listened you would have a better understanding of what we mean by moral perfection
ithastobesaid1 6 months ago
"PERFECTION IS NOT SOMETHING ATTAINED IT IS A DAILY DECISION TO WALK WITHOUT SIN! Not a place you reach and say "I have finished" HALLELUJAH!!!! Exactly my point!! but your problem is that you and all the other s.p.'s continuously try to put words in my mouth. If you actually listened you would have a better understanding of what I mean by moral perfection.
vekl 6 months ago
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jdtate58 6 months ago
@vekl You sir will pay for your deception, once saved always saved is a destructive heresy like I said before and still remains you will not stand for CHRIST if your life depended on it because you love your life. It is true that GOD has created a delusion for some, you believe the delusion of this heresy because you don't believe men can live holy. Like I said you should not be preaching that all is destined to fall setting men up to be slaves to sin again you know nothing and you are damned
jdtate58 6 months ago
@jdtate58 ARE YOU GOD, now?!?!? Is that it?!?!? Is this all that you're good at young lady? Falsely accusing poeple of teahing heresy, when you haven't even watched the entire video or even all other videos i made regarding this issu? And why in the world do you continue to harrass me without abiding by the statues of God? You are NOT a prophet! You have NOT been sent by God, and you have no omniscient knowledge of whom of I am....
vekl 6 months ago
@jdtate58 Ma'am. I'm sorry but you appear to be EXTREMELY irrational, and you are not displaying the attributes of a believer in God. Your brother has my contact inforamtion. I am more than willing to PUBLICLY debate you or ANYONE ELSE on this issue if you want to talk CORDIALLY about this. The video stays....but your aarbitrary accusations will not......Contact your brother if you wish to contact me, I'll be MORE than happy to talk with you. Sorry ma'am but for now, you are blocked.
vekl 6 months ago
@vekl If you were smart you would know that this is not a doctrine you present to the church, GOD is Holy and men should be taught to live like so. You will pay for your rebellion in the end ppl hate to live right they want a pass. So you continue with your pass it is evident you are lost and a comrade of the world apart of the many walking toward destruction. My msg is not for you. It is for those who have a pure sincere desire to repent of their sins. I am trying to save them from your error.
jdtate58 6 months ago
@jdtate58 I had a very long 6 hour conversation with your brother, and afterwards he and I have not only came to the conclusion that there is a TREMENDOUS misunderstanding between you and me, but that we need to HUMBLE OURSELVES FIRST and make an effort to approach IN PRIVATE according to Matthew 18. You will see that your constant antagonism is no at all necessary and you very well maybe fighting against one of God's own.....
vekl 6 months ago
@jdtate58 2)Go on, ask your brother about our conversation, young lady and see what he tells you......You REALLY need to humble yourself and talk to him. And when you get a chance, go to God and ask Him to reveal to you where YOU need to grow. You've been VERY offensive during this whole discussion and I do not think that you are currently displaying the fruits as expressed in Galatians 5:22. Take some time to get on your knees and ask the Lord to show you humility, and then let's talk.
vekl 6 months ago
Why do you keep making these claims that i hate people? I never said or showed hate towards you man. Please dont stereo type me with others you have not heard the least of what i have to say but you claim that i hate you! We do not teach hate so please stop making false accusations
ithastobesaid1 6 months ago
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ithastobesaid1 6 months ago
You say our lives dont show perfection. Well show us where we are sinning if not stop making these false claims. No one ever said since conversion they have not sinned you made that up! If you would listen to the words we speak before casting judgement you would understand what we are saying. Maybe talking to you via telephone would be more productive. Why do you feel that it is a sin to stop inning. You act like the Father desires for us to remain in sin. Stop the attacks on his true children.
ithastobesaid1 6 months ago
@ithastobesaid1 You sir, just ike many other sinless perfectionists have shown inability to answer HONESTLY the simple question that I've proposed to every last one of you. 'have you sinned at least once since conversion?' why do you continue to act pharisaical and desire to immediately hate people? Is this the traits of one that's attained sinlessness?
vekl 6 months ago
No answer the question honestly is it possible for you to go a day without sinning? Do you ever teach about overcoming sin or do you make videos to justify it. You say that you follow the MEssiah but the very first message he came preaching was REPENT! FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND! What does repent mean to you? Arguing with a child is not my aim but i feel you try to decieve people by making claims that you cannot back up.
ithastobesaid1 6 months ago
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. 1John2:6
How did Jesus wak? WITHOUT SIN. Is it possible VEKL.
Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. WE ARE HOW ABOUT YOU?
ithastobesaid1 6 months ago
@ithastobesaid1 "How did Jesus wak? WITHOUT SIN. Is it possible VEKL." Yes. Jesus walked without sin. Because He was God in the flesh. This is why He said what He said in Matthew 19:16-17. That there is only ONE that is good. Jesus was talking about ONLY Himself. Not Christians.......
vekl 6 months ago
@ithastobesaid1 2)Now if you believe that COMPLETE sinlessness is attainable, then let me ask you the same exact question that I still cannot seem to get an honest answer from any so called sinless perfectionist; "have YOU sinned at least once since your supposed conversion?" A simple yes or no would suffice.
vekl 6 months ago
@ithastobesaid1 3)Also, let me ask you; how do you HONESTLY reconcile Heb 12:5-11, Rev. 3:19, James 5:16, Ecclesiastes 7:20, 1 john 1:8-10, with the assumption that Christian are 100% sinless?
vekl 6 months ago
Where did you hear me say i ncontinue in sins? You are not only a Hypocrite but you are a liar also. You have alot to repent of son! Show me where i said i continue to sin!
ramonkey0807 6 months ago
@ramonkey0807 You've admitted it through your actions, and your refusal to answer honestly the simply question I gave you. you also admit it by simply admitting that you are without sin which is a violation of 1 John 1:8-10. you've made it very clear, young lady.
vekl 6 months ago
@ramonkey0807 I'll renege. My bad. you did not actually state that you still sin. But again you display it by your actions.
vekl 6 months ago
@ramonkey0807 Believe me when i say that i truly had no intention of blocking you, but when you continue with ad hominem attacks that cannot be backed up, then it shows you're not willing to listen. It truly is a shame to see that there are athiests that can hold a more humble discussion than you.
vekl 6 months ago
Name calling? How old are you if i was a HYPOCRITE and you called me a HYPOCRITE i would have to say you have rightly judges so just shake your head north and south and admit you are a false teaching HYPOCRITE!
ramonkey0807 6 months ago
@ramonkey0807 Well, i guess, you have failed to prove to the entire world that you are without sin, and at the same time accuse me of sin, even though you don't even know me. That's awfully hypocritcal, and it truly is a shame that you refuse to (or cannot) see it. Rather than provide scripture, you hypocritically attack me. Amazing. Tell you what, i'm gonna block you for now, because you seem to be unable to hold a rational convo. Let me know, if you want a REAL discussion. God bless you.
vekl 6 months ago
@ramonkey0807 I will give you this though; at least you are honest enough to admit that you've sinned.
vekl 6 months ago
You have said that you sin! You will be justified or condemned by your own words. Please show me where i have sinned and i will repent and be perfected by the spirit in that area!
ramonkey0807 6 months ago
I agree we have growing to do but you say no one can stop sinning. Im pretty sure you commit the same sins over and over there are not that many sins and we are concious of all of them. I have SINNED is different than saying "I SIN EVERY DAY" with a smile on my face! You people sure do love to show this false humility and glory in your sins its so sad!
ramonkey0807 6 months ago
@ramonkey0807 " Im pretty sure you commit the same sins over and over.." Wow! This is absolutely amazing to me! There you go again, with the arbitrary and ad hominem attacks!!! You know nothing of me, young lady, and why do you keep saying that, when YOU YOURSELF is still sinning??! You're making this discussion way too easy for me to win. Is name calling and assumption all you have against me? Really?!?!?
vekl 6 months ago
@ramonkey0807 How in the world do you expect ANYONE to take your accusations seriously, when you just admitted to continuing in sin yourself? You hoestly cannot see the hypocrisy in that? Seriously?
vekl 6 months ago
the Christian nwo of course the "Christian" can refuse to obey the spirit and therfore they no longer remain in Christ.How is that hard to understand? I think you are leaning to your own understanding and not to that of the Spirit of truth. If I bring your scripture and you say "I SAID' You are decieving people. You know what the word says but refuse to obey. I would say that i will pray for you but until you show fruits meet of repentance you will remain in darkness
ramonkey0807 6 months ago
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Now tell me this does this description fit you.What sins do you commit that are not willful? We are not saying a Christian cannot sin as in it being Physically impossible but being led by the spirit hes restrained
ramonkey0807 6 months ago
Sir you are not disputing with me you are disputing against the very WORD of GOD. and since it is evident that you have an unrepentant heart and are a minister of the evil one and this world is your portion. I have nothing more to say to you. You lack wisdom, I will pray for you.
jdtate58 6 months ago
@jdtate58 No, ma'am. you have failed to provide any logical and honest evidence to support your position. And I am very much in line with the word of God. And yes, you should pray for me. but if you pray for me, you better check your pride at the door. Get on your knees and beg the LORD God to reveal the truth to the both of us. And while you're at it, ask him for humility upon yourself. Don't be like the PharisseE in Luke 18:11-12.
vekl 6 months ago
you have been deceived by satan in this once saved always saved doctrine because it sounds better but you will have to give an account to GOD. It is evident ppl that if one does not bear fruit, he is not of GOD. Let us learn from JESUS' WORDS and HIS Lifestyle. Yet you will argue that if a man struggles with beating his wife he is still a man of GOD and you don't throw him out of the church.
jdtate58 6 months ago
@jdtate58 Why do you continuously speak in arbitrary fashions, young lady? If you don't accept the fact that Christ promised that He would not lose His own, then that's between you and Him. If you say that we can lose salvation, then you are contradicting john 6 and john 10, and you're calling Christ an incompetent liar.....
vekl 6 months ago
@jdtate58 2) And you STILL contradict yourself. If you say that a christian CANNOT sin, then how can they lose salvation? what must a christian do to lose salvation? Sin? Stop believing? But do you not believe that a true Christian can't do that? PLease stop with the futile arbitrary comments and back them up EXEGETICALL, RATIONALLY, LOGICALLY, BIBLICALLY, and HONESTLY!!
This is getting fun talking with you!
vekl 6 months ago
@vekl Listen man. Anyway you put it you are arguing that "Christians" can continue in sin and also remain children of the Father. JDTATE58 is not saying that a Christian cannot sin the Word of God says so. If you sin without true repentance you have fallen from grace. To repent means "to turn from". How can you say that you have repented of anything that you are currently still bound by. The Father is merciful and his grace is sufficient for those who have been broken and turn from their sins.
ramonkey0807 6 months ago
@ramonkey0807 "How can you say that you have repented of anything that you are currently still bound by" now THIS is a good question, and one that I give an answer to in my video about 'sin'.
watch?v=OVF_Xhexm6o
I did not ever say that will continue in the SAME sin, but that we still have a lot of growing to do. Why are you even continuing this discussion with me anyway, when you've just admitted that you have sinned?
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jdtate58 6 months ago
I continue in what I've learned I continue in renewing my mind and I do not allow the enemy to have a footstool. Each man is tempted when he is drawn away by his own evil desires...his own evil desires...his own evil desires(or lusts) and enticed. Key Word enticed. Like Eve was deceived by the serpent promising her lies and things that were more pleasurable than obeying GOD'S Holy Will.
jdtate58 6 months ago
Even though my mind is clear as brother Paul exclaimed, 'I am not innocent.' You have no understanding and by confessing that you fall often and still sin against GOD you have nothing left but a fearful expectation of Hell fire.You are preaching on matters that you should not and you bring the WORD of GOD into disrepute.
jdtate58 6 months ago
If you are not renewing your mind you are not obeying Scripture therefore if you are weakened in your desire to sin it is because you are not obeying. And why do you call HIM LORD and do not do what he says. Brothers and sisters this man does not have a problem with us but he has a problem with the very WORD of GOD. Because he is at enmity with GOD, so let us pray for him and not waste anymore time instructing one who is self-destructive.
jdtate58 6 months ago
@jdtate58 Have YOU renewed your mind PERFECTLY? Yes or no? and again, you are confusing my words. Im am NOT saying that we must sin or that we HAVE TO sin. You have not heard me say such a thing. What IAM saying is that you are not perfect. if you think perfect is attainable, then how do you explain Ecc. 7:20 and 1 john 1:8-10? Why do we as christians need chastening/ (Heb. 12:5-11 & Rev. 3:19) PLease explain this to yourself
vekl 6 months ago
@vekl I've already explained Ecclesiastes 7:20 to you by saying that we all have sinned but when we were made a new person we do not sin because it is of the devil and we walk in light the newness of life which is holiness. Why should we do something against GOD that we do not desire to do anyways, to please man?? Yes my mind is new and I obey the BIBLE by adding good things to my faith and I think on good things. I don't listen to secular music or watch perversion I stay away from sinful things
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No i am against the error you teach not against you personally! I hope that you would repent of your dead works and come to partake in his holiness as we have. I however do not see you as a brother but as a distant neighbor. I love you none the less man. We do not teach hate so i would appreciate if you stopped implying that. Dont play the woe is me game. I dont feel sorry for you one bit! If you stand on truth there is no occasion for stumbling in you. I dont argue just speak the word of truth.
ithastobesaid1 6 months ago
@ithastobesaid1 It truly is a shame that you ppl have no ability to display perfection in your own life and yet you all violate the commandments at the same time. This is utterly sad and a video about this problem is long overdue.
vekl 6 months ago
They don't want us to interrupt their comfort they have come to accept and love this false Christianity that CHRIST never preached and that CHRIST(The WORD, Scripture) does not support. They look down on those of us who wish to live holy lives and persecute us for professing that we do. They are hypocrites ppl do not follow men like vekl they do not practice what they preach and they cannot give you liberty but only bondage.
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AMEN SIS!
ithastobesaid1 6 months ago
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@vekl What did JESUS say, "Why do you call me 'LORD, LORD' and do not do what I say." It should be a blessing to you that we are presenting to you your error so that you can repent and correct it but as it is you are a slave to sin and you love this world and the things of this world.
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@vekl What fellowship does light have with darkness you are still lost, how dare you contend with those who walk in light if you actually considered yourself to be our brother you would be commending us and when we rebuked you, you would repent and be silenced until GOD enters your heart and body but as it is you are a worker of iniquity and you love darkness.
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jdtate58 6 months ago
You should watch TRUECORE08's most recent vidoe maybe you could gain some understanding.
ramonkey0807 6 months ago
@ramonkey0807 I did already. Actually. I think I agreed with a great majority of it. It was a breath of fresh air to hear him say that he does not believe in salvation by works.
vekl 6 months ago
ARE YOU SURE THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON? Do You have any scriptural proof saying that was the only reason or is it something you got from Paul Washer?
ramonkey0807 6 months ago
@ramonkey0807 LOL!! Nope. Not Washer, in whom you hate (and shame on you if you do), but from the word of God Himself. Matthew 19:16-17, 2 Corinthians 5:21, 1 Peter 2:22
vekl 6 months ago
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jdtate58 6 months ago
@vekl I never said i have Washer please dont make assumptions concerning how i feel about individuals. Though i feel you teach false things i dont hate you. It is not of God to hate anybody. But those verses do not say that he had some unfair advantage. You are trying to justify your belief with those scriptures. Poor Job by the way. I have heard stronger arguments from the "Unfair Camp".
ithastobesaid1 6 months ago
Ok you say he did not teach sinless perfection. Do you rip out the pages where Yeshua told the man who was lame to "Go and sin no more"? or when he told Mary the same? The father does not command anything that is impossible for man to do. The same spirit that dwelt in Yeshua DWELLS IN HIS CHILDREN! What part of that is so hard to understand. There was not unfair advantege he had over us. He understood what he was sent for and was obedient til death! OBEDIENCE IS WHAT HE EXPECTS!!
ramonkey0807 6 months ago
Jesus had the same flesh we did and was perfected through OBEDIENCE. He was tempted in all points as we are YET WITHOUT SIN. Are you saying that our lord had some unfair advantage over us while setting an example for us to follow? I think you are digging for exuses to live a lawless life. Repent the Father is not blind to the meditation of your heart! If you really hated sin you would obstain from it but for some reason i dont think this is the case
ramonkey0807 7 months ago
"Are you saying that our lord had some unfair advantage over us while setting an example for us to follow?" BINGO!!! He was God in the flesh! This is the ONLY reason why He was able to live without sin. The example He gave was to show us how perfect God is and how serious sin is to God. But He did not preach sineless perfection. He challenged you and me to show us that works do not get you into heaven but only the GRACE of GOD. Lest any man can boast.
vekl 6 months ago
@ramonkey0807 The father does not command anything that is impossible for man to do." Then why aren't YOU keeping His commandments?
vekl 6 months ago
I believe that at some point you believed you could live a sin free life but failed and decided in your heart that since you couldnt do it it was impossible. I also believe from your beliefs that you ENVY those who have not quit but are determined to endure until the end to be found WITHOUT SPOT OR WRINKLE! This race is not over man and the father is giving us time to get it right. If you think you are standing firm take heed lest ye fall
ramonkey0807 7 months ago
"I believe that at some point you believed you could live a sin free life but failed and decided in your heart that since you couldnt do it it was impossible" This is yet again another example of an ad hominem. You know jack squat about me and just like jdtate, you resort to emotionalism and name calling rather than address the argument. Is this the traits of a so called 'sinless perfectinist'? This seems awfully hypocritical, if you ask me.
vekl 6 months ago
@vekl We don't argue, we present the WORD of GOD which should be the end of all conversation but you sir make it into an argument. How is it that you actually think that you could combat the WORD of GOD, when everything that we've told you was Scriptural and good for reproof. You ppl accept what you want from the WORD instead of hearing and obeying IT. You know practicing HIS WORD and working the WORD, none of us are innocent but if holiness was not possible JESUS wouldn't have commanded it.
jdtate58 6 months ago
@ramonkey0807 If you are so sinless, then why are you not able to refrain from the unnecessary personal attacks of my character? i am a firm believer in the Lord Jesus Christ. That He died and rose from the grave. That He is God in the flesh. This by default makes me your brother in Christ (that's of course if you actually believe in Him). So if I am your brother, then why do hate me and violate Matthew 5:21-22?
vekl 6 months ago
@vekl You are not my brother, have you not read when JESUS' mother and brother were outside and HE said, "Who is MY mother or brother, those that do the Will of GOD are MY mother and brother." HIS followers feel like wise and you sir are not a fellow believer you will not even live holy and obey HIS Commandments so you are not my brother and ramonkey0807 is not attacking you he is rebuking you.
jdtate58 6 months ago
@jdtate58 You just continue to mke false accusation=s against me without having any knowledge at all. This is called LYING!!!!! And even if it were true, you are STILL in violation of Matthew 5:44. This is truly sad that you honestly cannot see the rror and hypocrisy of your logic.
vekl 6 months ago
@vekl Why do you want us all to be slaves to sin like you, NO!! I refuse to be a slave again. He that the SON sets free is Free indeed(absolutely, certainly, doubtlessly, truly, surely, very)
jdtate58 7 months ago
@jdtate58 "Why do you want us all to be slaves to sin like you," Do you see what I mean ladies & gentlmen? I asked a simple question, and rather than give a simple honest answer, jdtate resorts to ad hominem attacks without knowing anything about my personal life. I submit to you once more; does this look like the traits of a Holy Ghost filled or led believer in Christ? Where's the humility? Where's her accountability?...
vekl 7 months ago
This is exactly why sinless perfectionists claim that they are sinless because they have no accountability. They surround themselves with people who will not tell them that they still sin, and then they can sin all they want without anyone telling them that they are. Does this sound like the traits of a humble and contrite heart in which God desires and loves? (Psalm 34:18, 51:17, Isaiah 57:15, & 66:2) No, it doesn't!
vekl 7 months ago
@vekl Are you implying that you are humble and contrite at heart. You do not obey CHRIST therefore your humility is false you have submitted and committed yourself to sin. Would it be humble to you if I bowed to satan and sin? No! I already have a MASTER and I do what HE says.
jdtate58 6 months ago
@vekl Sir you are a slave to sin because you yourself have professed that you cannot stop sinning that it is impossible. This is not so for us true believers it is written, "I can do all things through the CHRIST who gives me strength" What does that mean?? Do you actually think that creating us anew and making us Holy is too hard for JESUS??? We are not condemning anyone they are already condemned we only tell the TRUTH because we belong to light, telling the TRUTH is of our very nature.
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jdtate58 7 months ago
Last time i checked sarcasm wasnt a fruit of the spirit either! Mockery? Envy? You would have been on of the ones in line yelling "Crucify Him" If Yeshua showed up today you would no recognize him because he would be free form sin and you just cant Identify with that huh? Jesus was a sinless Perfectionest why shouldnt we be?
ramonkey0807 7 months ago
Jesus was the ONLY exception because he was God in the flesh. You are not. So if you think sinless perfection is attainable, then where is it in YOUR life? Have you sinned at least once since redemption? A simple yes or no is all I need. If you cannot anser that simple question then, perhaps you need to re-evaluate your position. Secondly, (LOL) where in the world do you get mockery, ENVY, and sarcasm from?
vekl 7 months ago
@vekl Ill answer yes!As every child must learn to walk by stumbling and falling so it is with a babe in Christ but when the child begins to grow walking is not as difficult as when they were a babe. Eventually they learn to run and sometimes they still may fall because they are learning a new thing. However when they are full grown and have perfected running there is no cause or excuse for stumbling! Thats why we RUN this race notCrawl to the finish line! Have you recieved your running legs?
ramonkey0807 7 months ago
@ramonkey0807 So you admit to sinning since conversion, then? If that is the case, then why do you have a problem with me? You've just admitted to me before the entire world that you've sinned. So therefore you have no right to call ANYONE a hypocrite, ma'am. You really need to take that beam out of your own eye FIRST!
vekl 6 months ago
DID JESUS PREACH SINLESSNESS?
ramonkey0807 7 months ago
SHE IS ACCUSING YOU HYPOCRITE! YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE NOT COME TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH AND YOU ARE TRYING TO HINDER OTHERS WHO ARE ENTERING IN! You guys are sad.ALL THE SIN YOU CAN BE ADDRESSING AND YOU ARE FIGHTING AGAINST THOSE WHO HAVE TURNED FROM SIN! HYPOCRITE!!!!!!!!!!!
ramonkey0807 7 months ago
"SHE IS ACCUSING YOU HYPOCRITE" I love it! I love how you s.p.'s all try to justify your sins by pointing the finger at those who expose your falsehoods. I love it!!! Keep on showing the world how much hatred is in you while you claim righteousness and sinlessness. Now, I'll ask you again (as no other s.p. has been able to honestly); have you sinned since your conversion to Christ?
vekl 7 months ago
We must have self control. My nature is new and I live holy because my sinful nature has been crucified with it's passions and desires. I have no desire to sin against GOD, I have a new nature this is true liberty from the bondage of sin. I thank GOD for HIS TRUE salvation. Hallelujah.
jdtate58 7 months ago
"I have no desire to sin against GOD" This statement of jdtate's would probably be better if she said; " I have no desire to PERPETUALLY sin against GOD". A statement like that would've displayed humility and honesty on jdtate's behalf. BUT does her statement of being a new creature comport with her most recent actions of relentless accusations against those that have openly professed their sins as instructed in James 5:16? no, they most certainly do not.
vekl 7 months ago
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jdtate58 7 months ago
Yes we must have self control, and anyone who continues to sin PERPETUALLY and calls themself a child of God is a liar. But if we say that we are WITHOUT sin entirely, then we must know that this is a BLATANT contradicition of 1 John 1:8-10 which says; "If we say that we have NO SIN, we DECEIVE OURSELVES, and the TRUTH is NOT IN US....If we say that we have NOT sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us"
vekl 7 months ago
@vekl That would be al lgood and well if thats what the scriptures say but they say nothing about perpetually sinning you are making that up! Stop re-writing the bible you hypocrite! Adding to the bible is dangerous and you are walking on the edge! The bible says what is says!
Core did not say Paul was not a christian when he wrote it he was stating that paul was REFERRING to himself before conversion! Please stop trynna justify sin when you know the bible does not do so in any scripture!
ramonkey0807 7 months ago
@ramonkeyYou see, here you sinless perfectionists have a serious problem. Neither one of you can answer simple questions. And every last one of you all seem to have the same trait. I feel like I' talking to the same individual sometimes. You have no proof at all of me saying that we must sin or that we have to sin. 2ndly, if you claim that you are w/o sin, then how does that NOT contradict 1 john 12:8-10? Why can't anyone of you s.p. stop sinning and answer the honest question?
vekl 7 months ago
@vekl he knows the scripture all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of GOD, we were sinners sold to sin Read Romans 7 but thank GOD for JESUS CHRIST who delivered me from sin. JESUS CHRIST delivered, delivered delivered, delivered, delivered, delivered, delivered, delivered me......from sin. If we walk in the SPIRIT and live by the SPIRIT we will not fall or gratify the desires of the sinful nature. A man is a slave to whatever has mastered him. Be transformed by the renewal of your mind!
jdtate58 6 months ago
When are we going to see the so called self proclaimed sinless perfectionists admit that in order to be perfect in this world would mean that Christ did not have to die? When will they stop trying to blur the line between man and God? When will they stop believing and teaching that man can achieve Godhood by good works and self righteousness? when will they stop with the legalism/ when will they stop with all the faulty accusations?
vekl 7 months ago
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This is what Peter said to him, "May your riches perish with you, for thinking you could buy the power of the HOLY SPIRIT." Let me just say that if you do not have the HOLY SPIRIT you're not saved. After faith works follows. READ Ephesians 2:8 We didn't do anything do to deserve grace but works follows. If works do not follow you're not saved. James READS faith without works is dead. James 2:14-26. Read Gal 5:26...'Those who lives like this will not inherit the kingdom of GOD.'
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jdtate58 7 months ago
Religious system of today's Christianity, inclusion, ecumenicism and lawlessness. Choose this day whom you will serve, CHRIST or satan? You cannot serve both, if you are saved you are a new creation. These experts of greed are leading many astray and millions have fallen to Catholicism a synagogue of satan. This man accuses me of sinning in the words I say, well lets look at what Peter said to another man named Peter a sorcerer who wanted to purchase the Power of the Holy SPIRIT. READ Acts8:20
jdtate58 7 months ago
She seems to be so motivated by nothing but hatred towards those that oppose her teachings of sinlessness (which she herself openly admitted that she was incapable of attaining). Rather than abide by the standards of Galatians 6:1 and Matthew 18:15-17, she wants to publicly embarrass me and assert that I’m in sin, without even closelt examining my position. /does this really sound like a person that shows the fruits of the Spirit?
vekl 7 months ago
Which one of you reading these silly accusations of jdtate can accuse me of teaching that Christians MUST continue to sin, or that it’s ok to sin? I challenge ANYONE to show me. Jdtate, however has failed miserably in being able to do so. No one knows who jdtate is pressing these accusations against. She doesn’t have anyone in particularthat she can accuse......
vekl 7 months ago
LORD'........then I will say to them plainly, "Depart from ME you workers of lawlessness(iniquity) So what does that say, it says that JESUS didn't come to abolish the law and we must obey HIS commandments as CHRIST obeyed them even until death. The Christians who are of this world and do not believe that we can live Holy will indeed persecute those of us who are pressing and enduring to live holy on the earth. It is as truecore08 said in JESUS' day it was the pharisees in our day it is the
jdtate58 7 months ago
Ppl I have asked this man vekl how he comes up with the once saved always saved doctrine, what Scripture supports that?? Let's look at John 15:16, Hebrews 12:14, Matthew 7:21. If we are few those who live righteous before the LORD, and you are many those who live how you want and say that you are unable to live holy because you do not have faith in GOD to make you holy while living on earth from day to day. Then to whom is JESUS referring to in Matt 7:21 when HE says many will say to me 'LORD
jdtate58 7 months ago
I like truecore08 and all of those who stand for TRUTH must not tell lies because we are a new creature in CHRIST JESUS. My FATHER gave me the gift of righteousness to wear for a purpose and wouldn't you wear something your father has given you?? Like Joseph we are despised but you are, 'impostors deceitful workman masquerading as apostles of light.' 2Corinth 11:13 You will not tell ppl the TRUTH you promise them liberty but you yourself are a slave of depravity. 2Peter 2:19
jdtate58 7 months ago
It's funny how you forgot that I told you about my life before CHRIST and even how I was deceived by a once saved always saved heretic yet forced to go to his church by my mother as a youth and all of the youth were living lasciviousness, immoral lifestyles because his msg was unable to change them or give them true life yet they believe they were saved yet they were dead in sins. Of course I am to be hated by you and all those who trust in that msg but GOD has called me to tell the TRUTH.
jdtate58 7 months ago
Today's Christians are bold and arrogant and puffed up in pride believing & receiving every spirit that claims to be from CHRIST. They hate authority this is why there is an epidemic of parent churches. READ 2 Corinthians 11:14, 1 John 4:1. We must not trust every spirit but test the spirits I have sent this man vekl a series of msgs and even as he speaks on this video he is blind and leading others astray this is your warning ppl we are crying out to you telling you to repent. We must live Holy
jdtate58 7 months ago
@jdtate58 It's amazing to me how sinless perfectionists are so quick to continue to try to point out the errors in other people's lives but refuse to look at or admit their own. This is a direct violation of 1 John 1:8-10, and is a blatant example of a Pharisee. Jdtate (or jdHATE) has shown to the entire world how she hates brethren, by her own words of condemnation towards me. Anyone wanting to see a sample of it, let me know. I still have the copy.
vekl 7 months ago
@jdtate58 Yes, we must live holy. But you must also be honest and say that YOU have NOT lived 100% sinless ever in your life. If you say you have, then you are a LIAR and the truth is not in you. Oh wait! Where have I heard that phrase? (1 John 1:8-10)
vekl 7 months ago
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jdtate58 7 months ago
I asked vekl how does he get around Heb 12:14 which states that 'without holiness no man shall see the LORD,' and he could not answer me. If you do not know the mystery(I am speaking foolishly) of how to live Holy then you are not qualified to teach others. This is true ppl please hear me when I say this, "Once saved always saved is a destructive heresy"(a lie from the pits of hell) Do you not see that satan is fighting for your souls. READ the entire chapter of 2 Peter 2:1-22 please ppl...
jdtate58 7 months ago
@jdtate58 The LORD has NOT sent you, jdtate. You are filled with hate because you have not abided by the standards of Galatians 6:1 and Matthew 18. Jdtate is teaching salvation by works. She is in essence rejecting that the work that Christ did on the cross was NOT complete and that we as fallible human beings must AID God in completing salvation by our good works. This is heresy. She has provided much scripture, but she will not answer the one simple question without lookin like a hypocrite!...
vekl 7 months ago
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jdtate58 7 months ago
READ Heb 3:12-19, Heb 12:14, Hebrews11:17-21
jdtate58 7 months ago
@jdtate58 I am more than willing and more than able to give an answer to every last one of jdtate's objections and challenges. In fact, I have PUBLICLY challenged her to a debate, but the fact is that she does not want an answer or a debate. She only wants to condemn me and several other sincere and law abiding brothers of Christ. She does not want an answer to Hebrews 3:12, 12:14, 11:17-21. why? Because she will not give an answer to passages such as Heb. 12:5-11, or 1 John 1:8-10.....
vekl 7 months ago
I have known muslims more righteous than Christians even with more indignation and they are taught to kill others who oppose them. Now we know these ppl are without GOD'S SPIRIT because they denounce JESUS as the SON of GOD. Yet they abstain from sin in their daily lives more so than these so called Christians. Who makes more excuses than a thief because they think they are under grace to do so and they will call a rebuke legalism. Holiness is a choice, Christianity is a lifestyle.
jdtate58 7 months ago
@jdtate58 Look at the condemning words of jdtate ppl! She has made absolutely no attempt at all to come to me CORDIALLY or in a CIVIL manner. She has violated Gal. 6:1 and Matthew 18, as well as Ecclesiastes 5:2-3, Titus 3:2, and Ephesians 4:31. Does this look like the words of a Holy Ghost filled believer in Christ being moved by the Spirit? I think not. But again, I'll PUBLICLY CHALLENGE jdtate to a cordial discussion on this or any issue any time.
vekl 7 months ago
men will heap on themselves a number of teachers that will tell them what their itching ears want to hear.2Tim 4:3 They will heap on themselves condemnation so in essence it is the ppl who gives leverage to the false preacher or teacher. And if GOD did not spare Israel HIS beloved how much more will HE destroy those who reject sound doctrine and reject HIS Only Begotten Son JESUS CHRIST, WHOM HE killed for us(believers). How do you reject HIM by not obeying HIS WORD, and by believing a lie.
jdtate58 7 months ago
deeds and they will not escape the fire of hell, you men are prideful bold and arrogant you will not hear the TRUTH, your hearts have become calloused, you're blinded by satan himself. All the devil wants is your soul, he's smart enough to blind you and cunning enough to get you to believe a lie. I feel so bad for ppl who are in these churches under preachers like you their destiny is a dreadful one. Even though I feel sorry for them, the BIBLE clearly states that in the last days men will heap
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jdtate58 7 months ago
follow any other, if holiness and perfection were not possible then GOD would never command us to be holy or perfect. But you cannot see that and will not because you do not truly believe even satan himself and demons believe that JESUS exists but they will still perish. It is only those who does the will of GOD that will make it into Heaven. Ppl these preachers are wolves save yourselves from their error and do not partake in their judgement because GOD will deal with them according to their
jdtate58 7 months ago
It would not be fair for GOD to say be Holy and not equip us to do so, GOD is a GOD of order and justice HE means what HE says. Let GOD be TRUTH and every man a liar, any man that dies in his sins is going to hell. These preachers are wolves deceiving for selfish gain(money,excuse to live in sin etc..) Most men that preach the inclusion doctrine are homosexuals or adulterers they are lascivious men that care nothing for the sheaves of GOD but we HIS true sheaves know HIS voice and we will not
jdtate58 7 months ago
already made up your mind ahead of time that you will live partially for GOD and partially for the world and that is something you just cannot do.Matt 6:24 You cannot serve both masters you will either love one or hate the other. James1:23 Anyone who hears the WORD but does not practice it.... deceives himself. John3:19 This is the verdict:Light has come into the world but men love darkness instead of light because their deeds are evil.
jdtate58 7 months ago
Examine yourselves ppl and see if you're truly in the faith. It's not about what truecore08 says or even what I say it's about what GOD says. If GOD'S statutes are too hard for you to obey and honor then it is evident that this world is your portion and you do not want to be HOLY. Hebrews 12:14 Without holiness no man shall see the LORD. Many of you do not know truecore08 but by listening to this man degrade him you will probably never listen to what he has to say because many of you have
jdtate58 7 months ago
Matt7:21 "Not everyone who says to me 'LORD LORD' will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven but Only those who does the will of MY FATHER WHO is in Heaven."1Corinth2:9No eye has seen no ear has heard no mind has conceived the things that GOD has prepared for those who love HIM. John14 If you love me you will do what I say(keep my commandments)Luke 6:46 Why do you call me LORD LORD and don't do what I say.
jdtate58 7 months ago
1John 2:15-17 Do not love the world or anything of the world, if anyone loves the world, love for the FATHER is not in HIM. For everything in the world, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes the pride of life. Comes not from the Father but from the world, the world and it's desires pass away but the one who DOES the WILL of GOD lives forever. [Examine yourself to see whether or not you are of the faith?2Corinthians 13:5](Friendship with the world is enmity with GOD James4:4)
jdtate58 7 months ago
If every professing Christian is indeed of GOD then where are the many that will be deceived in the last days(now)??? Where are the fals prophets that CHRIST speaks of that will be many?? It is certainly not truecore08 bcuz he would have many subscribers and many would receive him not oppose. You are in error because you do not know the WORD of GOD. The BIBLE clearly states from JESUS, "If the world loves you it is because you belong to it..whoever loves the world is an enemy of GOD.
jdtate58 7 months ago
Paul said though I am clear minded I am not innocent, you wretched man you will find any excuse to live in sin. What truecore08 preaches is TRUTH for this very reason many will come to HIM (CHRIST) and HE will say to them depart from me I never knew you, you worker of iniquity(lawlessness). Because what you preach is false you will have many followers and many subscribers but the LORD knows those who are HIS.2Tim 2:19
jdtate58 7 months ago
You are in error John was saying that if we say we are without sin we lie and deceive ourselves. What he was talking about is life before becoming a Christian you hypocrite later in that same book john distinctively says, do not be deceived who ever does good is from GOD and whoever does what is evil is of the devil. 1john3:10 Whoever continues to sin has neither seen nor known HIM(JESUS CHRIST)1john3:6
jdtate58 7 months ago
I thank God for you, my friend.
johnbisaac93 7 months ago
@johnbisaac93 Praise God....and thank you for your incredibly and undeserved kind words.
vekl 7 months ago
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
WalterSLane 8 months ago
@WalterSLane Thank you SOOOO much for quoting that. That passage in 1 John 3 CLEARLY shows the sinless perfectionists that though the true christianm is not perfect, they would still NOT able live in perpetual sin, but that they will flee from it, and seek repentence. thank you, my friend
vekl 8 months ago
...this will be my last post to you on the subject. If we are truly born again this means Christ is now in us, we don't have the same desire to sin that we once had; making us new or "perfect". Paul crucified his flesh daily, meaning he had to correct his carnal self on the regular cuz he knew that falling into temptation willingly/regularly is sin. We can't control the unknown, but once we KNOW, we are supposed 2 do better! Galatians 5:16-21 (oh and what the heck) verses 22-26, too!
Yaqar 11 months ago
@Yaqar I can see by the statements you made that you're being led by your own flesh, and you seem to want only to jump to argue, rather than to correct me BIBLICALLY. If you watched my other video, you'd probably see that I'm in agreement with you, but since you're allowing your carnality to overpower you, you won't listen. This is why you will not make any effort to really pay attention to what's being said. That's very typical! This is exactly why I said "subjectivism at it's best"........
vekl 11 months ago
@Yaqar But anyway I'll end it with this, (not that I have to answer to you). Christians do not live in CONTINUOUS and/or PERPETUAL sin. If we do sin, we are to repent and ask forgiveness. (1 John 1:8-10). It's truly that simple. Have a nice day and thanks for watching.
vekl 11 months ago
I already told you I just "stumbled" upon you, so of course I have not viewed all of your videos, and based on what I have viewed, I can fairly say that I won't be wasting my time with your other videos. It doesn't take me to view ALL of your videos to know that the information you shared in the one I did see was inaccurate. Why would I waste my time with inaccuracies - that would be a waste of time. I value my time. With that said...
Yaqar 11 months ago
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Yaqar 11 months ago
The end result is that NO SINNER WILL INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD. So, it doesn't take a rocket scientist 2 figure out that it would b in our best interest, as those trying 2 please God, to stop willfully sinning! WILLFUL SIN is what TrueCore08 was speaking about.
You are attempting to make Jesus a liar, which makes your teachings false, because He, Himself, told people to "go forth and sin no more". He wouldn't have given that command, if it were not possible for us to do.
Yaqar 11 months ago
What is your motive with this video? In one breath you say that "Sinless Perfectionism" is impossible to achieve; and in another breath you say, but you're not supposed to sin. Which one is it?
Yaqar 11 months ago
Apparently, like the rest of the sinless perfectionists, you misunderstood my words, and immdiately jump to false conclusions. As of right now, I am weary of having back-and-forths with so called sinless perfectionists. Too much dishonesty on their part. So for now, I will only respond through more videos displaying the errors in their teaching and/or public debate. If YOU are interested, let me know. I've said my piece, and now I'm at peace. God bless.
vekl 11 months ago
@vekl Oh, you mistaken - I am not a "Sinless Perfectionist". I just learned of TrueCore08's TODAY. A friend sent me one of his videos and thru browsing, I stumbled upon yours. I'm a realist. And the reality of the matter is constantly doing willful, knowing sinful acts; makes you a sinner and their is no salvation for the sinner. Keep on posting your stuff - if I catch it, I catch it, but I definitely won't be looking for it, because your rhetoric is not accurate on this topic.
Yaqar 11 months ago
@Yaqar Subjectivism at it's best!!!
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