Where are the beautiful applications which i can see all the time on youtube? The art goes full contact and 99 Percent of all the techniques don't work against a uncooperative opponent..... and suddenly the art looks like very bad kickboxing.... That realy makes me thinking....
@suissecarnifex Looks decent. The use of footwork is evident. Every time each competitor closed the gap, the other remained standing and walked away without being taken down. Just because they're trying to use Bagua, doesn't mean they're master at it yet but it's evident they're trying to use footwork to evade and attack.
that guy in the white shirt was good, that was the best example of bagua fighting i have seen yet, anyone who say that is not bagua,is livibg in a fantasy world
Having played a thousand hours of BaGua, to me this looks like guys walking a teeny bit like when walking the circle, then wrestling and makeup kicking. No bagua present here. Bagua is not a drive-by kung fu rushing in from a distance and then pulling back and walking the circle does not bridge the gap. It's not that the system is kept secret, it's that few have trained well enough to display it and those who do realize that fake combat makes for a limited demonstration of what is possible.
@heartslord Completely agree, however, the wrestling they are doing is absolutely correct for BGZ. As u already know Cheng Tinghua was a Shuaijiao master n thus Cheng's Bagua is riddled with Shuai, as one of its predominant tactics besides body strikes n breaking is to knockdown, takedown, n trip or throw the enemy. So Bagua people should naturally be great wrestlers. Different peeps will use differently. Some will kick n wrestle others will wrestle n throw while others will evade n strike.
@DaiBoxer And I believe Sanda has always play a part in sparring. You have to have a free more formless usage of your Bagua for the chaos and intensity in a real fight. Unless opponent is a zombie, itll never look like Dong Fang Xu from the Bagua movie. Nothing wrong with doing Sanda with your Bagua. And as seldon as we get to see BGZ peeps going at it pretty hard, I dont think they did that bad for a couple of young dudes. Imagine when they have some more years under their belts. Cheers.
@FoieGras Bagua employs a moving root vs even stance; it's practitioners have better foot work, you see skill stance used a lot. Karate uses only explicit force, Bagua uses implicit (circular) and digestional (secret) force. I think he's done very well here, but there are some elements missing; the kicks are not Bagua kicks and he could be doing a lot more with his palms. It's better not to show real Bagua skill though, some things are secret for a reason :)
@slipmat707 agreed, but the older styles of Karate use implicit and digestional force too. It's just finding a school who teaches that is very hard to find. I'm lucky to have found such a school. I hope to train an internal art one day.
@thekingofighting that's ur utube name and u don't know that simple answer!?! Bet u never heard of internal strength either. AKA Nei kung or nei gong. This shit, when practiced correctly, builds u up from inside out son. You can thrust your palm into some1 and their freaking internal organs pay the price if u wish it. U can get up to a level of multiple strikes in 1 second. And "gay". As if that's a negative thing u idiot. The word has no place on ur tounge. Learn 2 think then fight dumbass
@Wariar11 all the element are involved when u keep up practice. All angles and positions that can be done from each way. How to strike all sides from those angles. Proper maintenance and flexibility so ur strength can come through and Nei Gong moves when u want it to. For self defense of to heal urself. Advanced level u can help other peeps too
ich sehe man sorgt wieder für ein erbauliches zeitgefüge wo li zai khan cong zhe nah fu tai shi hua chun qiu zue eh kuang ming bu ci wei sche te zue tang wan pei
Where are the beautiful applications which i can see all the time on youtube? The art goes full contact and 99 Percent of all the techniques don't work against a uncooperative opponent..... and suddenly the art looks like very bad kickboxing.... That realy makes me thinking....
suissecarnifex 5 days ago
@suissecarnifex Looks decent. The use of footwork is evident. Every time each competitor closed the gap, the other remained standing and walked away without being taken down. Just because they're trying to use Bagua, doesn't mean they're master at it yet but it's evident they're trying to use footwork to evade and attack.
chiapet007 3 days ago
that guy in the white shirt was good, that was the best example of bagua fighting i have seen yet, anyone who say that is not bagua,is livibg in a fantasy world
wizcoolc1 1 week ago
actually you can see the bagua when they touch hands and nearly wrestle, netiher of them can uproot one another because they got the changeflow down.
cloud0123 2 weeks ago
the guy in the white is pretty good damn haha i like this.
5674trackrunner 2 weeks ago
just because they walk in circles before they touch each other every time doesn't make it baguazhang
fangreza 1 month ago
that is shit , ... sorry...
YVCIIVII 1 month ago
Having played a thousand hours of BaGua, to me this looks like guys walking a teeny bit like when walking the circle, then wrestling and makeup kicking. No bagua present here. Bagua is not a drive-by kung fu rushing in from a distance and then pulling back and walking the circle does not bridge the gap. It's not that the system is kept secret, it's that few have trained well enough to display it and those who do realize that fake combat makes for a limited demonstration of what is possible.
heartslord 1 month ago
@heartslord Completely agree, however, the wrestling they are doing is absolutely correct for BGZ. As u already know Cheng Tinghua was a Shuaijiao master n thus Cheng's Bagua is riddled with Shuai, as one of its predominant tactics besides body strikes n breaking is to knockdown, takedown, n trip or throw the enemy. So Bagua people should naturally be great wrestlers. Different peeps will use differently. Some will kick n wrestle others will wrestle n throw while others will evade n strike.
DaiBoxer 1 month ago
@DaiBoxer And I believe Sanda has always play a part in sparring. You have to have a free more formless usage of your Bagua for the chaos and intensity in a real fight. Unless opponent is a zombie, itll never look like Dong Fang Xu from the Bagua movie. Nothing wrong with doing Sanda with your Bagua. And as seldon as we get to see BGZ peeps going at it pretty hard, I dont think they did that bad for a couple of young dudes. Imagine when they have some more years under their belts. Cheers.
DaiBoxer 1 month ago
am i the only one who wants to learn the basics of all four of the bending styles and then call myself the avatar?
watermelon668 2 months ago
I would like to see how a shuai jiao practitioner would fare against one of these guys.
jeffdoeskungfu 2 months ago
:48 you dont see that happen in mma, black shirt woulda got taken down hard
TheDragorin 3 months ago
Interesting takedowns
WyldOrbit 3 months ago
Avatar the last airbender airbending
bigsboy100 3 months ago
Good job both contestants!
xingyiboxer 3 months ago
defense was great butt maybe ifthey spent less time spinning they would have good offence not very good offence
simplevillian 4 months ago
Probably the best i've seen so far. don't recall any better application in real fights. NICE
c159csy357 4 months ago
Don't know a thing about Bagua, but I can definitely see some circular, redirecting of momentum at work when they grapple. It's beautiful!
FoieGras 4 months ago
@FoieGras Bagua employs a moving root vs even stance; it's practitioners have better foot work, you see skill stance used a lot. Karate uses only explicit force, Bagua uses implicit (circular) and digestional (secret) force. I think he's done very well here, but there are some elements missing; the kicks are not Bagua kicks and he could be doing a lot more with his palms. It's better not to show real Bagua skill though, some things are secret for a reason :)
slipmat707 4 months ago
@slipmat707 agreed, but the older styles of Karate use implicit and digestional force too. It's just finding a school who teaches that is very hard to find. I'm lucky to have found such a school. I hope to train an internal art one day.
jmikejapan 3 months ago
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tubeslava 5 months ago
This is among the best such clips I've seen; thanks for posting
LarryRickenbacker 5 months ago
Finally, there is someone who actually knows how to use kung fu... But if only there are other kung fu styles used by people who know their stuff...
mikeymarshful 5 months ago
Finally, fighters actually demonstrating there style. It takes a lot of stamina to do that too, I would love to train with this cat.
Stick3x 5 months ago
No evasion, no impulse-- he's one slow sumo.
TransMun 6 months ago
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what the fuk is ba guay zang !! gayyyy
thekingofighting 6 months ago
@thekingofighting that's ur utube name and u don't know that simple answer!?! Bet u never heard of internal strength either. AKA Nei kung or nei gong. This shit, when practiced correctly, builds u up from inside out son. You can thrust your palm into some1 and their freaking internal organs pay the price if u wish it. U can get up to a level of multiple strikes in 1 second. And "gay". As if that's a negative thing u idiot. The word has no place on ur tounge. Learn 2 think then fight dumbass
bagwa5 6 months ago 7
Interesting to see Bagua in action.
FURognar 6 months ago
I thought Bagua Zhang wasnt so direct. You learn something new everyday.
Wariar11 8 months ago
@Wariar11 all the element are involved when u keep up practice. All angles and positions that can be done from each way. How to strike all sides from those angles. Proper maintenance and flexibility so ur strength can come through and Nei Gong moves when u want it to. For self defense of to heal urself. Advanced level u can help other peeps too
bagwa5 6 months ago
Good vid. It shows a true Bagua Zhang style ;)
JarheadMaster 8 months ago
nice video
lsean 9 months ago
非常好
warfox777 10 months ago
ich sehe man sorgt wieder für ein erbauliches zeitgefüge wo li zai khan cong zhe nah fu tai shi hua chun qiu zue eh kuang ming bu ci wei sche te zue tang wan pei
alekx58 1 year ago