..I was working my ass off at Chrysler Corp...Mound and nine mile Rd....watched this show then off to work midnights....my olde black & white TV..read the news the next night Dorothy had died shocker !
Using the same logic that "leavetheherbitalone" used with "Johnathan Cerf" (misspelled), you can say a manufacturer of steel guitar strings killed Marilyn Monroe to avenge her singing these words to the U.S. president: "Thanks, Mr. President, for all the things you've done, the battles that you've won, the way you deal with U.S. Steel and our problems by the ton ... we thank you so much." People who made steel guitar strings hated Marilyn for doing that. And Jerry Garcia ! I won't go there.
regency98us said: ** Whether it is all 100% true or not, we will never know. **
That is the case with stuff that has been advertised about every mysterious death in the 1960s and 1970s. Despite all the talk about Marilyn Monroe, she could have overdosed on drugs by herself. She was a known drug user, alcoholic and emotionally troubled person. She talked about suicide for a big chunk of her life. Her first husband said many years after her death that she tried to kill herself circa 1943.
@JeffersonDinedAlone But I actually enjoy rice cakes. I like the crunchiness and the roasted rice aroma. Nacho rice cakes are also good. Long life is really more due to genes than anything, although healthy living can add another 10 or 20 years. By time I'm retirement age lifespan is predicted to be easily doubled and I'm looking forward to that. I would love to live to the age of 200 so long as it is a healthy and productive life.
@owg59 I think they also edited out the part when she starts down the slope and hacks up half a lung. Everybody knows that all championship skiers are chain smokers :o)
All of the mystery surrounding Dorothy's death must have put John Daley in an awkward position since he was married to the daughter of Chief Justice Earl Warren who headed The Warren Commission which said that Oswald acted alone in the Kenney assassination. Not many people believe The Warren Commission.The House Select Commitee on Assassinations concluded that there was a 95% problability of a second gunman.Dorothy is not the only one who died or committed suicides in the two years after JFK.
i had no idea there was so much intrigue surrounding dorothy kilgallen, just finished reading a partial bio, she seemed to ruffle a lot of feathers, even had the fbi watching her.
"moproducer" and "regency98us" are examples of extreme opinions that have become sloppy with facts. "moproducer" represents the people who denigrate Dorothy Kilgallen's character even though they never met her or interviewed anyone who did.
Contrary to what "moproducer" says, Kilgallen was not in "severe financial trouble." During the last three months of her life she visited Switzerland, Dallas, Miami and New Orleans. "Regency98us" is wrong about Mrs. Smith. She never had any notes.
@alanwatts1 - I actually cut and pasted a lot of that off the internet. Nevertheless, it is all interesting to read. In fact there are several websites that have a lot of information regarding her death. Whether it is all 100% true or not, we will never know.
A ruling was made that she died of barbiturates and alcohol. Her hairdresser noted that she was wearing a Bolero blouse over her nightgown that she hated, wore her false eyelashes which she never would do at bedtime, and was in the wrong bedroom at her apartment. Her close friend, Mrs. Earl E.T. Smith, died two days after Dorothy. She also had Dorothy's notes from the Ruby interview, which all have disappeared without a trace. Dorothy's notebook was also gone.
At the Ruby trial in Dallas March 1964, Dorothy Kilgallen had a private interview with Judge Joe B. Brown. Then she had an 8 minute private interview with Jack Ruby in Judge Brown’s chambers. Ruby’s bodyguards were kept outside the Judge’s chambers. People thought the meeting room was “bugged". Dorothy told a friend that she was going to New Orleans and she would break the case wide open. Dorothy 52, died November 8, 1965, under questionable circumstances in her New York home.
Dorothy Kilgallen was a mess. She was in severe financial trouble and she had assembled a line of enemies from her insults and acerbic comments. Her popularity was on the wane, largely due to her supercilious demeanor. The JFK project was probably her one last chance at regaining favor.
There's nothing to prove that there was foul play in her death (there probably wasn't), but she was on the road to becoming washed-up.
Dorothy Kilgallen interview Jack Ruby for 8 minutes. She gave her interview to a friend that died 3 days after she did. She was found sitting up in her bed, with all her make-up on . She was wearing a bed jacket that she hated . Her house keeper said she had a book in her lap that she had already read.
The part about her friend who (allegedly) died three days after she did is false. The friend died the next day leaving behind a son who can tell you his mother knew nothing about Ms. Kilgallen's investigations. Also wrong is the claim that her housekeeper noticed the book in her lap. It was her hairdresser (and others) who noticed the book in her hand. They couldn't see her "lap" because sheets and blankets covered it.
thadxxx said: "It's sad Dorothy had an untimely death but no it wasn't murder..enough with the conspiracy theories...believe or not but people DO drop dead.... "
You can take that approach to anyone's suspicious death. Marilyn Monroe dropped dead. Danny Casolaro dropped dead. Both were substance abusers.
"Anyway, changing the subhect Joey Heatherton is absoutletly gorgeous," Long after What's My Line? she married a man who had a sexual problem. Maybe the truth is his pants dropped.
She died that night, after midnight, so technically it was 11/8. The show was taped live on the evening of 11/7 and broadcast as well, somewhere around 8pm. From what I recall reading at one time, after the show she went out for drinks and then home after midnight, which I guess is the late evening of 11/7, or early morning hours of 11/8.
@jasonws1972 said: "The show was taped live on the evening of 11/7 and broadcast as well, somewhere around 8pm."
No, it was telecast live in the eastern and central time zones from 10:30 to 11:00 p.m. Dorothy died between 2:00 and 4:00 a.m. according to medical examiner James Luke. New York Post quoted him as saying that.
I don't think that this was her last apperance because she seens to be a bit older in this clip plus the fact that she strangely flubs Ft Lauderdale and Miami in her introduction it's the second clip. /watch?v=YW8qFj1G5j0
The communists arranged the killings of both of the Kennedys. JFK and RFK were taking the democratic party to the right. Meanwhile the communists had been insinuating themselves throughout the party. The communists wanted to get rid of him and totally take over the DNC. The massive shock of his assassination also affected the people emotionally in favor of the DNC. The DNC after the Kennedys was NOT the DNC of the Kennedys. They plan to kill obama 4 the same reason, to affect the election
Did anyone notice that when her Dad, Ray Heatherton is mentioned, she has stone-faced reaction, not even a smile....like she's mad or something.....and she does this each time he is praised or mentioned?
Re; Cigarette ads....even though.they were banned nationwide on 1/1/71 however in a few cities they wer banned as eqarly as 1968 such as Baltimore when WJZ, WMAR and WBAL kicked them off the air in 3/68 . From what I understand a similar ban was in effect in Denver starting with KLZ-TV beginning in 1969.
Back in those days ( 1968-1969 ) everyone knew cig ads would be banned by 71 so some stations were already using their own power to ban them before 1971.
Re; Cigarette ads....even though.they were banned nationwide on 1/1/71 however in a few cities they wer banned as eqarly as 1968 such as Baltimore when both WJZ and WBAL kicked them off the air in 3/68 with WMAR folowing soon afterward. From what I understand a similar ban was in effect in Denver starting with KLZ-TV beginning in 1969.
Back in those days ( 1968-1969 ) everyone knew cig ads would be banned by 71 so some stations were already using their own power to ban them before 1971.
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"Doroty may have had her enimies but she was a drunk too and i seriously seriously doubt that she was murdered unless it was by herself."
Can you explain why she was found dead in a bed that wasn't her bed ? It was in a room of her brownstone that she hated. She felt very uncomfortable being there much less sleeping there. If she was having trouble sleeping, why stay in that room ?
"Doroty may have had her enimies but she was a drunk too and i seriously seriously doubt that she was murdered unless it was by herself."
Can you explain why she was found dead in a room of her brownstone that she hated ? She felt very uncomfortable being there much less sleeping there. The bed wasn't her bed. Two people who knew Dorothy personally were videotaped saying that. What's your take on that issue ?
"Doroty may have had her enimies but she was a drunk too and i seriously seriously doubt that she was murdered unless it was by herself."
Can you explain why she was found dead in a bed that wasn't her bed ? It was in a room of he brownstone that she hated. She felt very uncomfortable being there much less sleeping there. If she was having trouble sleeping, why stay in that room ?
@auntbecky said, "Doroty may have had her enimies but she was a drunk too and i seriously seriously doubt that she was murdered unless it was by herself."
Can you explain why her hairdresser found her dead in a bed that wasn't hers? Police detectives and the medical examiner also saw her lying dead in that bed. Dorothy felt very uncomfortable whenever she was in that room on the third floor of her brownstone. If she had trouble sleeping, why not go to the fifth floor where she always slept?
..and by the way, that's NOT Gerald Mohr in the "Kool" ad. He was still a working actor [he just happened to appear as a guest star on an episode of "THE SMOTHERS BROTHERS SHOW" ("Halo in the Ring") the following Friday, November 12th], and occasionally lent his unique voice for commercials, promotional films, and ABC network promos as well. He was affluent enough NOT to have appear on camera in a cigarette commercial....
This WAS a live broadcast, 'Dan'- some CBS affiliates, including those on the West Coast, could not carry the show "live" in their area, so this was "kinnied" for delayed broadcast purposes (this is why the word "live" was eliminated from Johnny Olson's opening remark, "And now, {LIVE,} from New York..."), and shown on smaller affiliates as late as six weeks after the original telecast. For most West Coast affiliates, this was taped and relayed to them, several hours later.
At 2:39 is another "alternate sponsor" at that time- Brown & Williamson's "Kool" (they sustained part of the 1965-'66 season). Following "WHAT'S MY LINE?" was "THE CBS SUNDAY NIGHT NEWS WITH HARRY REASONER" [11-11:15pm(et)].
I've always felt Dorothy Kilgallen's death was murder, as well. She had a LOT of powerful enemies who could have engineered something like that...and gotten away with it. Noel Coward (and I can just imagine him saying this, too!) gave her ther ferfect epitaph: "Ah, me! I shall miss hating her on television every week."
@librarybob1958 said: Noel Coward (and I can just imagine him saying this, too!) gave her ther ferfect epitaph: "Ah, me! I shall miss hating her on television every week."
Cole Porter said it when Dorothy was alive. He predeceased her by one year.
@IEnjoyHippies I think if I recall correctly Kerry never went into her room that morning... he just noticed in the wee hours of the morning that her light was still on. I'll have to reference "Kilgallen" though.
Of course she wasn't even in her "Cloop" as she called it, she was in the master bedroom.
Either way, it's so sad that Miss Kilgallen died, whether she was killer or simply died accidentally.
I saw 'WML' in New Jersey as a kid and didn't really take too much notice of it; but seeing it now in my late 50's , I can't help but be amazed how sharp Dorothy Kilgallen was. It was said in the JFK movie that the Assassination was 'a conundrum wrapped in an enigma' but if anyone could connect the dots she could and probably did. The circumstances surrounding her death are very strange. Her behavior on this show betrays no signs of potential suicide or depression.
The most informative piece I've read on her strange death is online at Midwest Today, a 2007 article by reporter Sara Jordan. She and her editor reveal for the first time the name of the 20-something "mystery man" -- whom DK may have seen later for a drink after this show -- who "befriended" her in the final year. Read and judge for yourself whether Pataky is credible on the issue of their alleged platonic relationship.
@melanson7 thanks for the tip on the midwest today story; i tracked it down online, and i find myself shocked, saddened and, most of all, angry. it's a shame that nobody in law enforcement is following up on this.
Advertising of tobacco products was a mainstay on radio and television until January 1, 1971 when the last cigarette ad was broadcast @ 11:30 p.m. EST on New York TV.
Long before that, we sang jingles for cigarette ads all the time although we were not smoking at that age.
This brand originally had a cartoon penguin as a spokesperson.
I guess it is startling to see it now. In the commercial, did you also notice how smoking is not banned on a public vehicle? Times of course are different.
It's hard to believe that Dorothy Kilgallen was found dead the next morinng; and she had taped this show the night before. And let's not forget that she was found dead the night before the big New York City blackout.
@nanlisa If I'm not mistaken I thought that show was filmed live in those days on Sunday nights.
"On November 8, 1965, Kilgallen was found dead on the third floor of her five-story townhouse, just 12 hours after she appeared, live, on What's My Line?. " Wiki
Kilgallen doesn't look well here. Not that anyone knew she'd be dead that night, but she looks ragged and washed out - even compared to shows just a few short years earlier.
I once got trapped in an elevator with Joey Heatherton. We were at a recording studio and decided to get some air. Took the elevator down but the doors wouldn't open. Had a porthole so people could look in, We banged on the doors and yelled "Help!" but they must've thought it was a candid camera stunt because they ooh'd and ahh'd. "Look there's Joey Heatherton!" Freed, we went to a bar. Joey's drink had six cherries. One from each bartender,. Ha! Yes, she was that famous and that beautiful.
Bennett Cerf is an absolute Einstein to guess her the way he did. Too bad she kinda vanished from the spotlight....She was sure better than Charo or Suzanne Summers; my guess is she drugged out and didn't give the producers what they wanted. most notably the golf ball thru the water hose treatment
Here on youtube, there used to be a clip of her dancing on The Tonight Show, circa 1965. I'm not at all a dance fan, but she was so astonishingly good, I don't think I'll ever forget it.
I still wonder about the truth about how she died. The circumstances were so suspicious. She really may have been murdered. So much time has passed, and her mystery is lost in all the conspiracies about JFK. I wish the truth could be found.
dear pepsi : i tend to agree with the coronor's report that a lethal combination of liquor,barbiturates and sleeping pills quite simply ended her life. she was notoriours for this . her husband a few yrs later for a fact killed himself. just like i believe jfk was not a consiparcy. we tend to want to think of all these devious plots as there is something mysterious and exciting about it. but sometimes these random things just happen and we look for an explanation that just aint there.
The final words to Tony Randal seem kinda surreal or ironic in that she says, " Goodnight Tony, please come again." Implying that she fully expected to be there to greet him if down the line he returned to visit the show.
Wow, it's very surreal seeing her the day before she died....
On another note, though: how did you find this show with the commercials? I watch it on GSN and am always wishing they played the original advertisements.
Heck they won't even air shows with a cigarette sponsor on the desk where the panel suts, let alone a real commercial. They air all of these "male enhancement" commercials though. Give me a break! This must be a studio master of a kinescope. Thanks for posting it in it's complete form.
I don't know what would have gotten a more concerned look.. Finding out her family just died in a plane crash or MY GOD!! Her Cigarette tastes STALE! Oh the HUMANITY!!
That last frame appears more legible on an I've Got a Secret clip I just watched. It says "The preceeding program was pre-recorded". That would indicate that Kilgallen did not die the night this show was performed, but rather just the night it was shown.
Not really a valid argument... the show very well could have been taped around 5PM for viewing later in the evening. OR this could be a kinescope copy used for broadcast on the Mountain and Pacific Time Zones later the same night. I would tend to believe the idea that this show was taped earlier in the evening, broadcast at the show's normal 10:30PM timeslot, and Kilgallen then passed away later that night--the same night of broadcast.
You may be right but some programs were pre-recorded on later dates. Soulierinvestments, who seems to know all about the show, mentioned that the first show broadcast after the Kennedy assassination was in fact recorded previous to it- by a couple of weeks.
Whats My Line? was broadcast live. This show was not taped. Miss Kilgallen left the studio and went to her usual after show bar..that was the last time she was seen alive, at the bar at 1:30 am. She was discovered dead in her home at 10:30 am..or 12:00 noon..depending on what reports you believe.
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You know. I bet cigarette companies are using Youtube to circumvent the ban on cigarette ads? LIke the KOOL ad in this clip. YOu couldn't get this on TV today, yet
you get millions of eyes seeing it on YouTube. Very suspicious if you ask me.
How many people are going to see an old commercial and decide to light up.
Anyway, even if we cringe a bit when we see a commercial for cigs, let's remember all the vulgarity of today's commercials and shows.
Did you see how after her spot, Joey shakes the hands of the panel? Did you hear how well the announcer enunciated and how gracious he was? People were better mannered and better spoken back then.
Which isn't to say things like Jim Crow and the Vietnam War weren't stains on America.
I believe Dorothy was killed, or given such a strong ' mickey ' she died, in any instance it was murder. whatever happened to those Kennedy papers of hers? gone....
Dorothy's death scene was staged. the public time of death announcment was altered several times by police. different people viewed her body before police were called. the room was arranged by one or moreof them. the book was in the wrong hand. i don't have the source iof these factoids at hand, read them a few years ago. if her death was an accident, why the conflicting details that were later uncovered. i think she was done in.
Malcolm 'Mac' Wallace was one of LBJ's close subordinates in secret, not connected publicly. Johnson's aide Busby confirmed this. Wallace dated Josefa Johnson, LBJ's sister, briefly. he murdered Henry Marshall in 1950, recvd suspended sentence. his lawyers were also LBJ's. Marshall was having an affair with his wife. M also dated Josefa J. at one time. the unidentified fingerprint found on the 5th floor was later identified as Wallace's in 1990's.
Dorothy interviewed Ruby, and his answer might have led to her demise. watch The Men Who Killed Kennedy where another reporter asks him who did it..his reply was "look at the one who is in power now" that's not the exact quote but you get the idea. and recently several books implicating Johnson have been published. Oswald couldn't have been alone. "his" gun had a defective scope as was noted by the Dallas police. same video states a Mauser rifle was first found, shows cops with it even..>
This was a live show. filmed around 1030pm NY time and many of these people came from parties to do the show. in those days lighting and makeup only did so much.
they were not that close but DK's death I believe put a fear in her colleagues that they could be next due to maybe DK sharing info.
mixing both alcohol and barbiturates intentionally puts a lot of stress on the heart. She was working on a book called Murder and there was a chapter on the JFK murder. I am sure if she had earth shaking news, there would have been more than a chapter to his death?
She had interviewed Jack Ruby and was about to " blow the lid" off the JFK and Oswald assassinations. Next thing she's dead, and her notes are regarding thoses interviews are gone. A couple of yrs. later someone asked her husband what was in those notes, his reply was " Things that people should never know about " Hmmm ?
And your point regarding Dorothy Kilgallen's research is? And who's "most"? So-called experts? I think there is still much that could be learned about either death scenario, and neither one seems implausible to me. Even IF Oswald acted alone, there clearly were other forces involved who may have believed, right or wrong, that Ms. Kilgallen was on to something, and silenced her just in case.
Miss Dorothy left the studio and headed to her favorite bar PJ O'Rourkes..she left at 1:30 am with an unidentified man. That was the last time she was seen alive. She was found the next morning in bed, with an open book across her chest..a book, that by all accounts she had finished reading several weeks before..and her very necessary reading glasses were across the room.
agree she knew more than anyone but unfortunately was too vocal about it. she was a brillant women, unfortunately with too many enemies who wanter her silenced.
i didn't know she was so vocal about what she knew. I do believe she had obtained some important info. i'm not certain her death was natural causes or other health related issue. she could have been done away with; especially if she didn't go straight home that night.
accordingly she went after this show to the lounge at the Regency Hotel for drinks with a " mysterious stranger "...she and her husband lived in a large multi-storied townhouse a few blocks away and led very separate lives. The story is she was given a mickey in her drink or someone was in the house that night. she was found the next morning in bed. Her biggest coup was obtaining the only interview with Jack Ruby in Dallas...all of JFK her papers were gone and she was sadly silenced...
Joey did not do much after the mid 70's, a show here and there, ditto for commercials. She did appear in the buff in Playboy in 1997. I love the credits at the end of the show; producers today could learn from that.
IIt's hard to believe that Dorothy Kilgallen did this show that night, and then she died soon after that. I don't know how true it is, but I heard that she was found dead the next morning, and that she died from pills and alcohold. Did she overdose on them.
I saw her story on the E! True Hollywood Story. She ruffled a few feathers allright. I head that she badmouthed Frank Sinatra and he called her a fink.
I found it. "Thanks!" I have been watching this show for several years, but once I started looking to see if anyone was still alive from the cast, I really appreciated the show. What a great cast. Such a shame they are no longer with us.
the next episode after dorothy have been on youtube for a while-just do a search under her name-they will come up-kitty carlysle took her spot-the panelist were already seated-john daly came out and spoke to the audience abou the 'trying days' at wml after her untimely death-They had a hard time after Fred allen died too-but his was a known heart attack-whereas hers was certainly questionable.
The more i watch this show the more I've gotten to really like Dorothy Kilgallen. Show wasn't as good after she was gone that's for sure. The show needed to have both Dorothy and Arlene. Together they were a dynamite asset to the show.
I realize Dorothy Kilgallen was a hard nosed , tough as nails reporter, who asked the hard questions and really went after a story. And I know she ruffled more than a few Hollywood feathers with her gossip colums. But when I watch these clips, I seem to notice a vulnerablity to her, almost a little girl quality that I found quite charming and it really makes me kinda sad, that this highly intelligent, very acomplished lady, met such an untimely and much too early death. It just seems so sad!
I couoldn't agree more. Dorothy is my favorite of the bunch,though I enjoy them all. I think the vulnerability angle you cite is a very real possibility. Its such a shock to realize this very night is the end.
Oh, boy! The original commercials (all three parts)! So what if one was for Kool Cigarettes and I'm a nonsmoker. This was the original broadcast in its entirety!
Poor Dottie...she went out after the show for more cocktails and then probably popped a few seconals later...one too many. Funny to see them smoking Kools on the crowded bus...
joey heatherton hit the skids herself in the late 1980's, suffered from anorexia, alcaholism and looked like death warmed over. it was pretty well publicised. i had originally thought that Miss Killgallen may have been murdered. But looking at these clips leads me to believe she accidently killed herself.
You guys! Alcohol and pill popping can hit you like THAT(picture me snapping my fingers)!It is extremely sad, but it was an ACCIDENTAL DEATH!I love Kilgallen.She was brilliant. Christ, I had a smart and funny friend who ended up looking that way (bloated,a little sweatty)and died of alcoholism and he was only 39yrs old for god sakes. We did not know he was going to die. I do not think Dorothy planned to die - but alcoholism does that to some ppl.
It could well have been the case for Miss Kilgallen - who in her last years had substance abuse issues that caused her to miss some shows at different points since the early 1960's - that within a few hours of this broadcast, her body just gave out from her past abuse of her body in that way.
I just HAD to check her death date (sorry, lol) and sure enough, she died the day after this was filmed. Bravo for your knowledge. I also largely agree with your thoughts.
Yes, and mixing alcohol--a non-selective, general depressant, with barbiturates, especially either to excess, is flirting with disaster.
Karen Ann Quinlan, the young, New Jersey woman who, in the 1970s, became the poster child for the issue of a survivors right to terminate life support of the chronically comatose/brain dead patient, lapsed into her ill-fated coma owing to the same categorical combination of chemicals—in her case, ingesting gin & tonic with a Valium & the painkiller Darvon.
Even after life support was withdrawn, Quinlan remained in her persistent vegetative state for nearly a decade, before finally succumbing to respiratory failure.
Whether Kilgallen voluntarily took a combination of drugs on the ill-fated night of November 7, 1965, or whether she was "slipped a mickey," is still an open question.
In any case, the cause of death on Kilgallens death certificate was entered "undetermined." But the presumed consensus seems to be "accidental overdose," the autopsy showing evidence of alcohol and Seconal in her system,. possibly concurrent with a cardiac episode; an outcome far less dramatic or sinister than homicide or suicide.
And addicts sometimes do just slip away in such a manner, playing this game of chemical Russian roulette one too many times.
rip dorothy...... and well, now everyone else on the show
uhohwhoops 1 month ago
Unbelievable !!!!! Dead ....hours later!
ziggycat999 3 months ago
..I was working my ass off at Chrysler Corp...Mound and nine mile Rd....watched this show then off to work midnights....my olde black & white TV..read the news the next night Dorothy had died shocker !
yedon68 4 months ago 2
Goodnight, Dorothy.
TheTubePortal 4 months ago
Using the same logic that "leavetheherbitalone" used with "Johnathan Cerf" (misspelled), you can say a manufacturer of steel guitar strings killed Marilyn Monroe to avenge her singing these words to the U.S. president: "Thanks, Mr. President, for all the things you've done, the battles that you've won, the way you deal with U.S. Steel and our problems by the ton ... we thank you so much." People who made steel guitar strings hated Marilyn for doing that. And Jerry Garcia ! I won't go there.
alanwatts1 5 months ago
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leavetheherbitalone 6 months ago
@leavetheherbitalone. the gentleman's name was BENNETT Cerf.
wttwmusic 3 months ago
She has one thing in common with Bugsy Siegel:Both were murdered by Meyer Lansky.
ImDavidGurney 6 months ago
regency98us said: ** Whether it is all 100% true or not, we will never know. **
That is the case with stuff that has been advertised about every mysterious death in the 1960s and 1970s. Despite all the talk about Marilyn Monroe, she could have overdosed on drugs by herself. She was a known drug user, alcoholic and emotionally troubled person. She talked about suicide for a big chunk of her life. Her first husband said many years after her death that she tried to kill herself circa 1943.
alanwatts1 6 months ago
Smoke, drink, and enjoy rich foods in quantity. If you want to subsist on rice cakes (i, packing material) and water, you're an idiot.
JeffersonDinedAlone 6 months ago
@JeffersonDinedAlone But I actually enjoy rice cakes. I like the crunchiness and the roasted rice aroma. Nacho rice cakes are also good. Long life is really more due to genes than anything, although healthy living can add another 10 or 20 years. By time I'm retirement age lifespan is predicted to be easily doubled and I'm looking forward to that. I would love to live to the age of 200 so long as it is a healthy and productive life.
TheTubePortal 3 months ago
"Hey, Meg. Sounds like you need a change."
"Yeah, I need to hasten a slow, painful death from lung cancer. That'd be a change."
I heard they edited that line of dialogue out of the final commercial.
owg59 6 months ago
@owg59 I think they also edited out the part when she starts down the slope and hacks up half a lung. Everybody knows that all championship skiers are chain smokers :o)
TheTubePortal 4 months ago
Smoke Kools.
misterdirtyknees 7 months ago
All of the mystery surrounding Dorothy's death must have put John Daley in an awkward position since he was married to the daughter of Chief Justice Earl Warren who headed The Warren Commission which said that Oswald acted alone in the Kenney assassination. Not many people believe The Warren Commission.The House Select Commitee on Assassinations concluded that there was a 95% problability of a second gunman.Dorothy is not the only one who died or committed suicides in the two years after JFK.
GGE47 7 months ago
MBA-Major Babe Action, that Joey.
JeffersonDinedAlone 8 months ago
i had no idea there was so much intrigue surrounding dorothy kilgallen, just finished reading a partial bio, she seemed to ruffle a lot of feathers, even had the fbi watching her.
tomitstube 8 months ago
"moproducer" and "regency98us" are examples of extreme opinions that have become sloppy with facts. "moproducer" represents the people who denigrate Dorothy Kilgallen's character even though they never met her or interviewed anyone who did.
Contrary to what "moproducer" says, Kilgallen was not in "severe financial trouble." During the last three months of her life she visited Switzerland, Dallas, Miami and New Orleans. "Regency98us" is wrong about Mrs. Smith. She never had any notes.
alanwatts1 9 months ago
@alanwatts1 - I actually cut and pasted a lot of that off the internet. Nevertheless, it is all interesting to read. In fact there are several websites that have a lot of information regarding her death. Whether it is all 100% true or not, we will never know.
regency98us 6 months ago
Dorothy looks very tired and seems more quieter then usual in this.
faithoffaith 10 months ago
A ruling was made that she died of barbiturates and alcohol. Her hairdresser noted that she was wearing a Bolero blouse over her nightgown that she hated, wore her false eyelashes which she never would do at bedtime, and was in the wrong bedroom at her apartment. Her close friend, Mrs. Earl E.T. Smith, died two days after Dorothy. She also had Dorothy's notes from the Ruby interview, which all have disappeared without a trace. Dorothy's notebook was also gone.
regency98us 10 months ago
At the Ruby trial in Dallas March 1964, Dorothy Kilgallen had a private interview with Judge Joe B. Brown. Then she had an 8 minute private interview with Jack Ruby in Judge Brown’s chambers. Ruby’s bodyguards were kept outside the Judge’s chambers. People thought the meeting room was “bugged". Dorothy told a friend that she was going to New Orleans and she would break the case wide open. Dorothy 52, died November 8, 1965, under questionable circumstances in her New York home.
regency98us 10 months ago
Dorothy Kilgallen was a mess. She was in severe financial trouble and she had assembled a line of enemies from her insults and acerbic comments. Her popularity was on the wane, largely due to her supercilious demeanor. The JFK project was probably her one last chance at regaining favor.
There's nothing to prove that there was foul play in her death (there probably wasn't), but she was on the road to becoming washed-up.
moproducer 10 months ago
The ads are crazy ?
gcwbr1 11 months ago
Dorothy Kilgallen interview Jack Ruby for 8 minutes. She gave her interview to a friend that died 3 days after she did. She was found sitting up in her bed, with all her make-up on . She was wearing a bed jacket that she hated . Her house keeper said she had a book in her lap that she had already read.
sdhscrosscountry 11 months ago
The part about her friend who (allegedly) died three days after she did is false. The friend died the next day leaving behind a son who can tell you his mother knew nothing about Ms. Kilgallen's investigations. Also wrong is the claim that her housekeeper noticed the book in her lap. It was her hairdresser (and others) who noticed the book in her hand. They couldn't see her "lap" because sheets and blankets covered it.
alanwatts1 11 months ago
Dorothy Kilgallen
sdhscrosscountry 11 months ago
she's off to entertain the troops in vietnam...hopefully she gave a soldier or two a good time before they got killed
darius595 11 months ago
So sad and kind of creepy knowing that Dorothy dies only shortly after this. *shudders*
Kate8790 11 months ago
It's sad Dorothy had an untimely death but no it wasn't murder..enough with the conspiracy theories...believe or not but people DO drop dead....
Anyway, changing the subhect Joey Heatherton is absoutletly gorgeous,
thadxxx 1 year ago
thadxxx said: "It's sad Dorothy had an untimely death but no it wasn't murder..enough with the conspiracy theories...believe or not but people DO drop dead.... "
You can take that approach to anyone's suspicious death. Marilyn Monroe dropped dead. Danny Casolaro dropped dead. Both were substance abusers.
"Anyway, changing the subhect Joey Heatherton is absoutletly gorgeous," Long after What's My Line? she married a man who had a sexual problem. Maybe the truth is his pants dropped.
alanwatts1 11 months ago
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one of the sexiest women to ever walk the earth
robi2000 1 year ago
Dorothy had drinks with Arlene later after the show I heard before heading home.
dtw1958 1 year ago
This is so dignified, social, and intellectual. Imagine when TV wasn't all bombast and reality shows!
orchidtender 1 year ago
the show was never the same without her. I belive she was murdered
johnpaulgrfab4 1 year ago
According to the IMBd, Dorothy died on November 8, 1965, not November 7, 1965 as noted with the description of this video.
weatherboi 1 year ago
@weatherboi
She died that night, after midnight, so technically it was 11/8. The show was taped live on the evening of 11/7 and broadcast as well, somewhere around 8pm. From what I recall reading at one time, after the show she went out for drinks and then home after midnight, which I guess is the late evening of 11/7, or early morning hours of 11/8.
jasonws1972 1 year ago
@jasonws1972 said: "The show was taped live on the evening of 11/7 and broadcast as well, somewhere around 8pm."
No, it was telecast live in the eastern and central time zones from 10:30 to 11:00 p.m. Dorothy died between 2:00 and 4:00 a.m. according to medical examiner James Luke. New York Post quoted him as saying that.
alanwatts1 1 year ago
@weatherboi Thank you, appreciate that information. I like these old shows, would be nice if they brought back WML again.
weatherboi 1 year ago
KOOL for Cancer!
cozener1 1 year ago
Tony was right, both the Giants and the Jets weren't very good in 1965
MegaObserver1 1 year ago
Joey was a wet dream fantasy of almost all teenage males in the mid 1960's,not just Bennetts son!
MegaObserver1 1 year ago
From what I heard ole Bob did more then just sing with Joey Heatherton on those USO tours.
berezin99 1 year ago
DK seemed uptight
giles422 1 year ago
I don't think that this was her last apperance because she seens to be a bit older in this clip plus the fact that she strangely flubs Ft Lauderdale and Miami in her introduction it's the second clip. /watch?v=YW8qFj1G5j0
WhatSayestThou 1 year ago
mr. daly was the majic that made this hear show so good. i wondering if he stll lives or dead?
biggin105 1 year ago
The communists arranged the killings of both of the Kennedys. JFK and RFK were taking the democratic party to the right. Meanwhile the communists had been insinuating themselves throughout the party. The communists wanted to get rid of him and totally take over the DNC. The massive shock of his assassination also affected the people emotionally in favor of the DNC. The DNC after the Kennedys was NOT the DNC of the Kennedys. They plan to kill obama 4 the same reason, to affect the election
Indygoguy 1 year ago
Did anyone notice that when her Dad, Ray Heatherton is mentioned, she has stone-faced reaction, not even a smile....like she's mad or something.....and she does this each time he is praised or mentioned?
mhertz25 1 year ago
I always wanted Arlene's diamond heart necklace!
MorganHillChristine 1 year ago 2
@MorganHillChristine I always wanted Joey Heatherton!
jerryg1964 6 months ago
Re; Cigarette ads....even though.they were banned nationwide on 1/1/71 however in a few cities they wer banned as eqarly as 1968 such as Baltimore when WJZ, WMAR and WBAL kicked them off the air in 3/68 . From what I understand a similar ban was in effect in Denver starting with KLZ-TV beginning in 1969.
Back in those days ( 1968-1969 ) everyone knew cig ads would be banned by 71 so some stations were already using their own power to ban them before 1971.
tannermillerradio 1 year ago
@tannermillerradio SO?
hitchiker441 1 year ago
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Re; Cigarette ads....even though.they were banned nationwide on 1/1/71 however in a few cities they wer banned as eqarly as 1968 such as Baltimore when both WJZ and WBAL kicked them off the air in 3/68 with WMAR folowing soon afterward. From what I understand a similar ban was in effect in Denver starting with KLZ-TV beginning in 1969.
Back in those days ( 1968-1969 ) everyone knew cig ads would be banned by 71 so some stations were already using their own power to ban them before 1971.
tannermillerradio 1 year ago
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tannermillerradio 1 year ago
Anyone recognize Skip Homeier, in that cigarette commercial? Great character actor!
kyokogodai 1 year ago
@kyokogodai Yes, I spotted Skip Homeier in the Kool commercial immediately. He was the leader of the Space Hippies in Star Trek!
racookster 1 year ago
Sorry for the repetitive posts. This thing doesn't tell you your post went through. You have to load the page over and over again to see what's new on it.
alanwatts1 1 year ago
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@auntbecky said on July 16, 2010:
"Doroty may have had her enimies but she was a drunk too and i seriously seriously doubt that she was murdered unless it was by herself."
Can you explain why she was found dead in a bed that wasn't her bed ? It was in a room of her brownstone that she hated. She felt very uncomfortable being there much less sleeping there. If she was having trouble sleeping, why stay in that room ?
alanwatts1 1 year ago
Doroty may have had her enimies but she was a drunk too and i seriously seriously doubt that she was murdered unless it was by herself.
auntbecky 1 year ago
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@auntbecky said on July 16, 2010:
"Doroty may have had her enimies but she was a drunk too and i seriously seriously doubt that she was murdered unless it was by herself."
Can you explain why she was found dead in a room of her brownstone that she hated ? She felt very uncomfortable being there much less sleeping there. The bed wasn't her bed. Two people who knew Dorothy personally were videotaped saying that. What's your take on that issue ?
alanwatts1 1 year ago
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@auntbecky said on July 16, 2010:
"Doroty may have had her enimies but she was a drunk too and i seriously seriously doubt that she was murdered unless it was by herself."
Can you explain why she was found dead in a bed that wasn't her bed ? It was in a room of he brownstone that she hated. She felt very uncomfortable being there much less sleeping there. If she was having trouble sleeping, why stay in that room ?
alanwatts1 1 year ago
@auntbecky said, "Doroty may have had her enimies but she was a drunk too and i seriously seriously doubt that she was murdered unless it was by herself."
Can you explain why her hairdresser found her dead in a bed that wasn't hers? Police detectives and the medical examiner also saw her lying dead in that bed. Dorothy felt very uncomfortable whenever she was in that room on the third floor of her brownstone. If she had trouble sleeping, why not go to the fifth floor where she always slept?
alanwatts1 1 year ago
..and by the way, that's NOT Gerald Mohr in the "Kool" ad. He was still a working actor [he just happened to appear as a guest star on an episode of "THE SMOTHERS BROTHERS SHOW" ("Halo in the Ring") the following Friday, November 12th], and occasionally lent his unique voice for commercials, promotional films, and ABC network promos as well. He was affluent enough NOT to have appear on camera in a cigarette commercial....
fromthesidelines 1 year ago
This WAS a live broadcast, 'Dan'- some CBS affiliates, including those on the West Coast, could not carry the show "live" in their area, so this was "kinnied" for delayed broadcast purposes (this is why the word "live" was eliminated from Johnny Olson's opening remark, "And now, {LIVE,} from New York..."), and shown on smaller affiliates as late as six weeks after the original telecast. For most West Coast affiliates, this was taped and relayed to them, several hours later.
fromthesidelines 1 year ago
At 2:39 is another "alternate sponsor" at that time- Brown & Williamson's "Kool" (they sustained part of the 1965-'66 season). Following "WHAT'S MY LINE?" was "THE CBS SUNDAY NIGHT NEWS WITH HARRY REASONER" [11-11:15pm(et)].
fromthesidelines 1 year ago
I know nobody who was filmed as shortly before his/her death as Miss Kilgallen. (amateur videos of assassinations not counted) Do you?
6rik83 1 year ago
I've always felt Dorothy Kilgallen's death was murder, as well. She had a LOT of powerful enemies who could have engineered something like that...and gotten away with it. Noel Coward (and I can just imagine him saying this, too!) gave her ther ferfect epitaph: "Ah, me! I shall miss hating her on television every week."
librarybob1958 1 year ago
@librarybob1958 said: Noel Coward (and I can just imagine him saying this, too!) gave her ther ferfect epitaph: "Ah, me! I shall miss hating her on television every week."
Cole Porter said it when Dorothy was alive. He predeceased her by one year.
alanwatts1 1 year ago
I bet the woman stinks after that cigarette!
henrygrove100 1 year ago
Wow, Bennet is too good!!
SFGiantsBB 1 year ago
Hey Yo! Where can I get a pack of KOOLS !
lindseycom 1 year ago
@IEnjoyHippies I think if I recall correctly Kerry never went into her room that morning... he just noticed in the wee hours of the morning that her light was still on. I'll have to reference "Kilgallen" though.
Of course she wasn't even in her "Cloop" as she called it, she was in the master bedroom.
Either way, it's so sad that Miss Kilgallen died, whether she was killer or simply died accidentally.
chrishanson70 1 year ago
Read Lee Israel's 1979 bio of Dolly Mae, called simply "Kilgallen". You can probably get it used through Amazon. It's spellbinding!
edwardjames50 1 year ago 4
I saw 'WML' in New Jersey as a kid and didn't really take too much notice of it; but seeing it now in my late 50's , I can't help but be amazed how sharp Dorothy Kilgallen was. It was said in the JFK movie that the Assassination was 'a conundrum wrapped in an enigma' but if anyone could connect the dots she could and probably did. The circumstances surrounding her death are very strange. Her behavior on this show betrays no signs of potential suicide or depression.
BastardfromtheBush 1 year ago
poor Dorothy sh know too much
vertxxgg 1 year ago
The most informative piece I've read on her strange death is online at Midwest Today, a 2007 article by reporter Sara Jordan. She and her editor reveal for the first time the name of the 20-something "mystery man" -- whom DK may have seen later for a drink after this show -- who "befriended" her in the final year. Read and judge for yourself whether Pataky is credible on the issue of their alleged platonic relationship.
melanson7 1 year ago
@melanson7 thanks for the tip on the midwest today story; i tracked it down online, and i find myself shocked, saddened and, most of all, angry. it's a shame that nobody in law enforcement is following up on this.
jimmysudar 1 year ago 2
The mystery man's name is Ron Pataky. Google him to learn more and to see a photograph of him with Dorothy taken in 1964.
alanwatts1 1 year ago
This was Dorothy's last line, before she walked that line with organized crime.
franklindavid 2 years ago
Poor Dorothy... It's hard to think she was found dead just hours later.
JoanHolloway1931 2 years ago
Actually Arlene looks more haggard and tired her than Dorothy does. Must have had a rough day!
DA90027 2 years ago
I'm surprised she didn't try to disguise her voice!
DA90027 2 years ago
Advertising of tobacco products was a mainstay on radio and television until January 1, 1971 when the last cigarette ad was broadcast @ 11:30 p.m. EST on New York TV.
Long before that, we sang jingles for cigarette ads all the time although we were not smoking at that age.
This brand originally had a cartoon penguin as a spokesperson.
I guess it is startling to see it now. In the commercial, did you also notice how smoking is not banned on a public vehicle? Times of course are different.
Neptunesque 2 years ago
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Whether she was murdered or it was an accidental drug overdose, it's sad how her life ended. She had three kids and one was only 11.
UofLCardFan08 2 years ago
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UofLCardFan08 2 years ago
It's hard to believe that Dorothy Kilgallen was found dead the next morinng; and she had taped this show the night before. And let's not forget that she was found dead the night before the big New York City blackout.
nanlisa 2 years ago
@nanlisa If I'm not mistaken I thought that show was filmed live in those days on Sunday nights.
"On November 8, 1965, Kilgallen was found dead on the third floor of her five-story townhouse, just 12 hours after she appeared, live, on What's My Line?. " Wiki
panhead1219 1 year ago
Kilgallen doesn't look well here. Not that anyone knew she'd be dead that night, but she looks ragged and washed out - even compared to shows just a few short years earlier.
MisterMasterShafter 2 years ago
She probably was so focused on the information about JFK's death that she has just found...
PsYcHoFaB 1 year ago
I once got trapped in an elevator with Joey Heatherton. We were at a recording studio and decided to get some air. Took the elevator down but the doors wouldn't open. Had a porthole so people could look in, We banged on the doors and yelled "Help!" but they must've thought it was a candid camera stunt because they ooh'd and ahh'd. "Look there's Joey Heatherton!" Freed, we went to a bar. Joey's drink had six cherries. One from each bartender,. Ha! Yes, she was that famous and that beautiful.
eheaven3 2 years ago 2
Bennett Cerf is an absolute Einstein to guess her the way he did. Too bad she kinda vanished from the spotlight....She was sure better than Charo or Suzanne Summers; my guess is she drugged out and didn't give the producers what they wanted. most notably the golf ball thru the water hose treatment
uselessjoe 2 years ago
Here on youtube, there used to be a clip of her dancing on The Tonight Show, circa 1965. I'm not at all a dance fan, but she was so astonishingly good, I don't think I'll ever forget it.
kolst8406 2 years ago
I still wonder about the truth about how she died. The circumstances were so suspicious. She really may have been murdered. So much time has passed, and her mystery is lost in all the conspiracies about JFK. I wish the truth could be found.
pepsibookcat 2 years ago
dear pepsi : i tend to agree with the coronor's report that a lethal combination of liquor,barbiturates and sleeping pills quite simply ended her life. she was notoriours for this . her husband a few yrs later for a fact killed himself. just like i believe jfk was not a consiparcy. we tend to want to think of all these devious plots as there is something mysterious and exciting about it. but sometimes these random things just happen and we look for an explanation that just aint there.
emrrbv 2 years ago
Dorothy Kilgallen was found dead at her townhouse 12 hours after this show. Scarey!!
jamesopiela 2 years ago 2
Gerald Mohr in the Kool commercial is a hoot! He had plenty of work from the early 1950's for decades; why did he feel the need to make a commercial?
EdWatts 2 years ago
Bennett's son has good taste.
soulierinvestments 2 years ago 7
The final words to Tony Randal seem kinda surreal or ironic in that she says, " Goodnight Tony, please come again." Implying that she fully expected to be there to greet him if down the line he returned to visit the show.
primelimelite 2 years ago
Well, I doubt she was PLANNING to die that night.
torchkit 2 years ago 14
Wow, it's very surreal seeing her the day before she died....
On another note, though: how did you find this show with the commercials? I watch it on GSN and am always wishing they played the original advertisements.
joshwuh88 2 years ago
Heck they won't even air shows with a cigarette sponsor on the desk where the panel suts, let alone a real commercial. They air all of these "male enhancement" commercials though. Give me a break! This must be a studio master of a kinescope. Thanks for posting it in it's complete form.
storrs19 2 years ago
Cigarettes??
mcmlxvi 2 years ago
cigarettes are KOOL
Shanniquitie 2 years ago
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Neptunesque 2 years ago
I don't know what would have gotten a more concerned look.. Finding out her family just died in a plane crash or MY GOD!! Her Cigarette tastes STALE! Oh the HUMANITY!!
peterdaniel66 2 years ago
That last frame appears more legible on an I've Got a Secret clip I just watched. It says "The preceeding program was pre-recorded". That would indicate that Kilgallen did not die the night this show was performed, but rather just the night it was shown.
44032 2 years ago
Not really a valid argument... the show very well could have been taped around 5PM for viewing later in the evening. OR this could be a kinescope copy used for broadcast on the Mountain and Pacific Time Zones later the same night. I would tend to believe the idea that this show was taped earlier in the evening, broadcast at the show's normal 10:30PM timeslot, and Kilgallen then passed away later that night--the same night of broadcast.
DanMan869 2 years ago
You may be right but some programs were pre-recorded on later dates. Soulierinvestments, who seems to know all about the show, mentioned that the first show broadcast after the Kennedy assassination was in fact recorded previous to it- by a couple of weeks.
44032 2 years ago
Whats My Line? was broadcast live. This show was not taped. Miss Kilgallen left the studio and went to her usual after show bar..that was the last time she was seen alive, at the bar at 1:30 am. She was discovered dead in her home at 10:30 am..or 12:00 noon..depending on what reports you believe.
tallpaul521 2 years ago 4
kilgallen was murdered that night, knew too much about JFK assassination and other FBI activities
innit27 2 years ago 2
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You know. I bet cigarette companies are using Youtube to circumvent the ban on cigarette ads? LIke the KOOL ad in this clip. YOu couldn't get this on TV today, yet
you get millions of eyes seeing it on YouTube. Very suspicious if you ask me.
berezin99 2 years ago
How many people are going to see an old commercial and decide to light up.
Anyway, even if we cringe a bit when we see a commercial for cigs, let's remember all the vulgarity of today's commercials and shows.
Did you see how after her spot, Joey shakes the hands of the panel? Did you hear how well the announcer enunciated and how gracious he was? People were better mannered and better spoken back then.
Which isn't to say things like Jim Crow and the Vietnam War weren't stains on America.
written12 2 years ago 5
WOW A CIG COMMERCIAL!!!!!!! I can't stop laughing!!!
lunaoliver333 2 years ago
"Lock the House:"
Sheesh!
44032 2 years ago
Enough with the blabbering - this is not a forum for conspiracy theorists!
perlster 2 years ago
Anyone who thinks Oswald acted alone still believes in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy!
calalilygirl 2 years ago
killgalen was a raging drunk there is no Conspiracy
Obelisk2290 2 years ago
We last see her when John Daly says "Good Night, Dorothy Kilgallen". Little did he know...
44032 2 years ago 4
It's so creapy that she would be dead within hours... I love her and I love the show.
GEVMM 2 years ago 14
Agree with you. great comment
calalilygirl 2 years ago
@GEVMM When did she die???
sohooded 1 year ago
I believe Dorothy was killed, or given such a strong ' mickey ' she died, in any instance it was murder. whatever happened to those Kennedy papers of hers? gone....
nicksacop 2 years ago 21
@nicksacop You are right on the money......Couldn't agree more...
gregory12012 1 year ago
Dorothy's death scene was staged. the public time of death announcment was altered several times by police. different people viewed her body before police were called. the room was arranged by one or moreof them. the book was in the wrong hand. i don't have the source iof these factoids at hand, read them a few years ago. if her death was an accident, why the conflicting details that were later uncovered. i think she was done in.
jafomab 2 years ago 7
but the Mauser story was soon forgotten.
Malcolm 'Mac' Wallace was one of LBJ's close subordinates in secret, not connected publicly. Johnson's aide Busby confirmed this. Wallace dated Josefa Johnson, LBJ's sister, briefly. he murdered Henry Marshall in 1950, recvd suspended sentence. his lawyers were also LBJ's. Marshall was having an affair with his wife. M also dated Josefa J. at one time. the unidentified fingerprint found on the 5th floor was later identified as Wallace's in 1990's.
jafomab 2 years ago
Dorothy interviewed Ruby, and his answer might have led to her demise. watch The Men Who Killed Kennedy where another reporter asks him who did it..his reply was "look at the one who is in power now" that's not the exact quote but you get the idea. and recently several books implicating Johnson have been published. Oswald couldn't have been alone. "his" gun had a defective scope as was noted by the Dallas police. same video states a Mauser rifle was first found, shows cops with it even..>
jafomab 2 years ago
Both Dorothy AND Arlene look pretty draggy. How close were they? Could Dorothy's condition have affected Ms. Francis personally?
ipmoic 2 years ago 2
This was a live show. filmed around 1030pm NY time and many of these people came from parties to do the show. in those days lighting and makeup only did so much.
they were not that close but DK's death I believe put a fear in her colleagues that they could be next due to maybe DK sharing info.
nicksacop 2 years ago
In 2039, the truth will come out, as the commission is declassified.
wschmrdr 2 years ago
mixing both alcohol and barbiturates intentionally puts a lot of stress on the heart. She was working on a book called Murder and there was a chapter on the JFK murder. I am sure if she had earth shaking news, there would have been more than a chapter to his death?
mrright911 2 years ago
She had interviewed Jack Ruby and was about to " blow the lid" off the JFK and Oswald assassinations. Next thing she's dead, and her notes are regarding thoses interviews are gone. A couple of yrs. later someone asked her husband what was in those notes, his reply was " Things that people should never know about " Hmmm ?
mansfield67 2 years ago
Most agree now that Lee Harvey was the lone gunman.
catholicpriest1 2 years ago
And your point regarding Dorothy Kilgallen's research is? And who's "most"? So-called experts? I think there is still much that could be learned about either death scenario, and neither one seems implausible to me. Even IF Oswald acted alone, there clearly were other forces involved who may have believed, right or wrong, that Ms. Kilgallen was on to something, and silenced her just in case.
northernmuse9 2 years ago 2
Her husband Richard Kollmar committed suicide 6 years after Dorothy's death.
tallpaul521 2 years ago
Yes , I know . It must have been hard for him knowing what he did.
mansfield67 2 years ago
Miss Dorothy left the studio and headed to her favorite bar PJ O'Rourkes..she left at 1:30 am with an unidentified man. That was the last time she was seen alive. She was found the next morning in bed, with an open book across her chest..a book, that by all accounts she had finished reading several weeks before..and her very necessary reading glasses were across the room.
martinimerlin 3 years ago 7
i would not rule out foul play as far as her death was concerned.
Muffy2314 3 years ago 3
agree she knew more than anyone but unfortunately was too vocal about it. she was a brillant women, unfortunately with too many enemies who wanter her silenced.
nicksacop 3 years ago 4
i didn't know she was so vocal about what she knew. I do believe she had obtained some important info. i'm not certain her death was natural causes or other health related issue. she could have been done away with; especially if she didn't go straight home that night.
Muffy2314 3 years ago
Kilgallen, supposedly, was the only person who had an unbugged, solo interview with Jack Ruby in his jail cell.
gymnastix 2 years ago
Where was her husband?
Was anyone else sleeping in the apartment?
I read there was an exchange student living with her.
BroadcastJohn 2 years ago
accordingly she went after this show to the lounge at the Regency Hotel for drinks with a " mysterious stranger "...she and her husband lived in a large multi-storied townhouse a few blocks away and led very separate lives. The story is she was given a mickey in her drink or someone was in the house that night. she was found the next morning in bed. Her biggest coup was obtaining the only interview with Jack Ruby in Dallas...all of JFK her papers were gone and she was sadly silenced...
nicksacop 2 years ago
Joey momentarily talked in her real voice the first few seconds of this clip..may have helped the panel?
zgreggz82 3 years ago
Joey did not do much after the mid 70's, a show here and there, ditto for commercials. She did appear in the buff in Playboy in 1997. I love the credits at the end of the show; producers today could learn from that.
XMLarry 3 years ago
Ironically, Dorothy Kilgallen died the day before the big New York City Blackout.
And Joey Heatherton, she was just beautiful back then. I did hear that she had fallen on hard times. I had always wondered whatever happened to her.
nanlisa 3 years ago 3
I recall Heatherton doing some commercial bouncing on a (Serta?) mattress.
I'm also fairly certain Heatherton, in her day, bounced on a few mattresses off camera.
gymnastix 2 years ago
IIt's hard to believe that Dorothy Kilgallen did this show that night, and then she died soon after that. I don't know how true it is, but I heard that she was found dead the next morning, and that she died from pills and alcohold. Did she overdose on them.
I saw her story on the E! True Hollywood Story. She ruffled a few feathers allright. I head that she badmouthed Frank Sinatra and he called her a fink.
nanlisa 3 years ago 3
I found it. "Thanks!" I have been watching this show for several years, but once I started looking to see if anyone was still alive from the cast, I really appreciated the show. What a great cast. Such a shame they are no longer with us.
ZBeachBum 3 years ago
Thanks for the 3 clips of Dorothy's final show. Where in the world did you find WML? with the original commercials?
martinimerlin 3 years ago
Is there a show following her death in which she is mentioned?
ZBeachBum 3 years ago
the next episode after dorothy have been on youtube for a while-just do a search under her name-they will come up-kitty carlysle took her spot-the panelist were already seated-john daly came out and spoke to the audience abou the 'trying days' at wml after her untimely death-They had a hard time after Fred allen died too-but his was a known heart attack-whereas hers was certainly questionable.
mammabeast 3 years ago 2
Joey Heatherton did mattress commercials and let me tell ya va va va boom
DrakeGrad 3 years ago
The more i watch this show the more I've gotten to really like Dorothy Kilgallen. Show wasn't as good after she was gone that's for sure. The show needed to have both Dorothy and Arlene. Together they were a dynamite asset to the show.
Muffy2314 3 years ago 6
I realize Dorothy Kilgallen was a hard nosed , tough as nails reporter, who asked the hard questions and really went after a story. And I know she ruffled more than a few Hollywood feathers with her gossip colums. But when I watch these clips, I seem to notice a vulnerablity to her, almost a little girl quality that I found quite charming and it really makes me kinda sad, that this highly intelligent, very acomplished lady, met such an untimely and much too early death. It just seems so sad!
NonStopRocker 3 years ago 15
I couoldn't agree more. Dorothy is my favorite of the bunch,though I enjoy them all. I think the vulnerability angle you cite is a very real possibility. Its such a shock to realize this very night is the end.
keithcop 3 years ago 4
Oh, boy! The original commercials (all three parts)! So what if one was for Kool Cigarettes and I'm a nonsmoker. This was the original broadcast in its entirety!
lsmftymf 3 years ago 2
Poor Dottie...she went out after the show for more cocktails and then probably popped a few seconals later...one too many. Funny to see them smoking Kools on the crowded bus...
MerleOberon 3 years ago
joey heatherton hit the skids herself in the late 1980's, suffered from anorexia, alcaholism and looked like death warmed over. it was pretty well publicised. i had originally thought that Miss Killgallen may have been murdered. But looking at these clips leads me to believe she accidently killed herself.
brooksvilleguy 3 years ago 2
Meanwhile, Joey's brother, Dick Heatherton, was a famous disc jockey on several radio stations, notably WCBS-FM in New York from 1972 to about 1986.
wmbrown6 3 years ago
You guys! Alcohol and pill popping can hit you like THAT(picture me snapping my fingers)!It is extremely sad, but it was an ACCIDENTAL DEATH!I love Kilgallen.She was brilliant. Christ, I had a smart and funny friend who ended up looking that way (bloated,a little sweatty)and died of alcoholism and he was only 39yrs old for god sakes. We did not know he was going to die. I do not think Dorothy planned to die - but alcoholism does that to some ppl.
P.S. Daly is still adorable in my book!
SueBeaWho 3 years ago
Dorothy Kilgallen was murdered.
1Th1617 3 years ago 5
It could well have been the case for Miss Kilgallen - who in her last years had substance abuse issues that caused her to miss some shows at different points since the early 1960's - that within a few hours of this broadcast, her body just gave out from her past abuse of her body in that way.
wmbrown6 3 years ago
I just HAD to check her death date (sorry, lol) and sure enough, she died the day after this was filmed. Bravo for your knowledge. I also largely agree with your thoughts.
BerlinLynn 3 years ago
Yes, and mixing alcohol--a non-selective, general depressant, with barbiturates, especially either to excess, is flirting with disaster.
Karen Ann Quinlan, the young, New Jersey woman who, in the 1970s, became the poster child for the issue of a survivors right to terminate life support of the chronically comatose/brain dead patient, lapsed into her ill-fated coma owing to the same categorical combination of chemicals—in her case, ingesting gin & tonic with a Valium & the painkiller Darvon.
gymnastix 2 years ago
Even after life support was withdrawn, Quinlan remained in her persistent vegetative state for nearly a decade, before finally succumbing to respiratory failure.
Whether Kilgallen voluntarily took a combination of drugs on the ill-fated night of November 7, 1965, or whether she was "slipped a mickey," is still an open question.
gymnastix 2 years ago
In any case, the cause of death on Kilgallens death certificate was entered "undetermined." But the presumed consensus seems to be "accidental overdose," the autopsy showing evidence of alcohol and Seconal in her system,. possibly concurrent with a cardiac episode; an outcome far less dramatic or sinister than homicide or suicide.
And addicts sometimes do just slip away in such a manner, playing this game of chemical Russian roulette one too many times.
gymnastix 2 years ago