@oJKBo The ones who became filthy rich almost always did so on the backs of those who are constantly being asked to tighten their belts some more...and smile as they do it.
Letting millionaires work for minimum wage would give them a taste of how rotten the life of those they are currently exploting can be. Rather than actully see this picture (it might be amusing), most Middle and Working Class Americans would settle for millionaires at least paying a fairer share in taxes. NOW!
anyone who makes the argument for a minimum wage has never run a business, small or otherwise. All the minimum wage does is keep people who don't qualify for a particular wage scale from working. It's called "logic".
People that say " most people in this country make more than minimum blah, blah" Even $15 an hour is a shit wage now days. The average minimum wage should be around $10 an hour . In some of the hillbilly states its still $5 somthin. Give me a break. Total proof here that right wingers identify with their abusers. Yay ! Im mr bigshot i make $12 an hour. People are fucking stupid. I dont mind. I enjoy watching people suffer from their own stupidity.
@cobias Why are you so stingy with the poor? You claim you care about them saying $15\hr is shit wage & then arbitrarily mandate $10\hr? I mean a real humanitarian would at least force others to pay $30\hr. Why not get the 51% mob to pass a law forcing employers to pay a minimum wage of $100\hr? Then the poor will be rich! We could pass a law forcing a 5hr max work day too. The employers may try to go out of business claiming they cant afford it but we can imprison them if they try.
All of you bitching are morons. First the majority of people in this country make more than minimum. I've never been paid minimum wage and I'm only 20 and have had 6 different jobs. Second if minimum wage is so bad and such a ripoff then why are peole still working minimum wage jobs? If the pay was too low for whatever job their doing there either wouldn't be anyone doing those jobs or the company would have to pay more for those jobs. Think a little before you open your mouths.
A living wage is whatever it takes to house and feed a family of 4 one miles form their place of employment.
What do you need to house and feed a family of four, make sure their have medical dental, education, and retirement covered, vacations, sick leave, and a little profit of top for their efforts of wasting their productive lives making the owner rich? The rich refuse to pay this and demand millions of illegals they can use and we all pay for via taxes so they can max out profits
@MrAppleseed88 The rich don't owe anyone jobs or high wages. Supply and demand dictates how much money you make at the end of the day. There's a lot of workers able and willing to do the job for less than your definition of a livable wage, so of course that's what they get paid.
@MrAppleseed88 I do agree with the illegals somewhat, but there are many, many huge businesses that haven't been able to take advantage. In fact, small businesses have the easiest time taking advantage of illegals. As for off shoring, it's why products are so cheap. We could pay american workers more for the same job, but that would also make everything more expensive and cause big time inflation and thus be effectively worthless is helping people get better wages.
I find it so disgusting how big company's such as Macdonald's pay dirt wages to their hard workers and than pay their CEO's who are essentially useless and worth only half what the front line workers are, get millions... Why don't these fool company's try paying a wage that many would like to get for their front line workers, half of what they currently pay their CEO's or fire them altogether, won't notice it much and see how well the company goes, can always go back if it doesn't work.
@GTCism Sounds like someone doesn't understand how supply and demand works. The reason why front line workers get paid so little is because it's an unskilled position. There are plenty of people capable of and willing to do the job, so of course you wouldn't pay someone 20$ an hour to do what another guy will do for 10.
@GTCism Then that's for the shareholders to decide if they want to keep paying these CEOs, not YOU. Go start your own business and compete with McDonalds and pay your employees whatever you like OR stop bitching.
Cross said it himself...."after tax"....THAT"S the real death blow to low paid workers getting ahead...the damn Government and its thieving,job killing regulating ways.
@Riellysdad Bullshit, let's go with McDonalds. The people who 'own' McDonalds on paper make millions of dollars every year. The people who 'run' McDonalds, that is operate the stores and make the burgers, are paid as little as possible. The government is NOT the reason that the people who do the REAL work in any 'business' are not paid. Capitalism is a real job killer, if you can do without workers in a business you do, automate everything. The capitalist value system is flawed.
@troublemakir If it's evil to automate work and eliminate workers where they aren't needed, why do you own a computer? Don't you know how many jobs could be created by letting people do for you what you use a computer for? Technology changes. Job needs change. History has shown we can adapt.
A wage is a COST to a business...and like all costs the person facing them should try and reduce them as much as possible. Businesses are business...not charities.
@Riellysdad before you decide what business to go you have understand that human labor is made by real humans.. so by that i mean yes business is not a charity but it humans are not animals
We can't allow employers to pay people even less than minimum wage. I'd like to see the Conservatives advocates of poverty wages try to survive on that. A month's pay wouldn't even buy them dinner, The minimum wage in the rest of the world hasn't adversely affected jobs at all, in fact the extra spending it allows is good for the economy. A poverty wage means top-up benefits are necessary to meet outgoing expenses. Why should the taxpayers pick up the tab for tight fisted employers?
@bolloxinator I make less than minimum wage, I do fine. I have a house a paid off car and very very little debt. I am a staunch conservative. I buy dinner quite often, and I never have recieved one dime in wlefare.
If we removed the minimum wage it would force those who wanted better pay to get a better education and would bennefit society tremendously. Im not an economist but that much I can see. Many people on minimum wage are not even worth minimum wage for what they do.
@cmmorty99 If that's true, you must be a magician.
You wouldn't get a mortgage on the minimum wage. All the people I know on the minimum wage can't even get the deposit together for a rented place. People on the minimum wage couldn't ever afford to have a family, and getting married would be out of the question. So how those Conservatives think paying people below the poverty minimum is gonna help with their moral cause of marriage and the family is a puzzle. Poverty breeds crime.
@bolloxinator My take home pay of $800 a month (less than minimum wage) offers me a comfortable life. Just because I dont have the nicest cars or biggest house doesnt mean Im destitute. If people who earned minimum wage could understand that they dont have to have all the glamour in life they could all live decent lives. Its a matter of how you spend your money that makes the difference, not how much you make. I have a paid off car, a cheap place to rent and food, Im fine.
@VladTheImpala27 Yeh, if you're living rent free you can make it on 200 dollars a week. As it is, anyone on minimum wage who needs to pay rent is screwed, far less trying to get by on even less than that.
A question: why the hoot would anyone want to work their ass off for 200 bucks a week? Unless they're a masochist? There's no pride in making someone else rich.
@HippyDippyFool You don't need to read about economics to spot a plan to screw the working people even harder. You think McDonalds, a multinational corporation would go bust if they paid a living wage?
If you're concerned for the small businesses, and that's not the reason Cons are opposed to the living wage at all, let's have it means tested. If the employer can afford to pay more, he must. If the worker cannot afford to work for low pay, he should be allowed to refuse the job.
@freddo27 That's a good idea "I want to pay less to my workforce" should be means tested, they're in favor of means testing welfare so if a company claims to need exemption from a lower level of pay what's wrong with asking them if they can prove their need?
A company that can't pay its worker that paltry amount has surely failed anyway, and those against government "interferenvce" in business practice are also those who talk about the survival of the strongest. Job done.
@freddo27 If the worker cannot afford to work for low pay, he should be allowed to refuse the job. What? Ive never heard of someone being forced to work somewhere against his will. Nobody can force anyone to work somewhere. If someone doesnt like minimum wage he can get an education and a better job, or just a better job. Thats the problem with all of these arguments, it seems like people are being forced to take minimum wage jobs. Nobody is forced to do anything!
He makes a great point-I was just thinking about advertising and how professional athletes' ridiculous salaries are all paid by TV advertising, because the TV money is what drives pro sports. Think about how flimsy the whole structure is-if advertising stopped tomorrow, all of the big media conglomerates and pro sports would dry up immediately.
Corporations have to answer to stock holders who always want to make more, faster.But when those at the top get thousands per day and millions in bonuses be it in business or Gov. and those at the bottom get their wage cut or loose jobs in massive layoffs while profits soar but not as much as predicted, that is just wrong to me, but that's just me. I need and like money like most people but if I already had Millions and someone else and their family had to starve for me to make more. No Thanks
It's a question of need and wants. A person needs to house, feed,clothe him/her self and family. They want that house to be either big or lavishly decorated or both. They want 50 pairs of $200+ shoes, 100 pairs of different kinds of $1000+ pants and (shirts,blouse,tops), the latest gadget,toy,transportation,trip to far off destinations,etc and for some it must be better than everyone around them. What is enough for you.
If I'm not mistaken, every time the minimum wage goes UP, unemployment among young people, especially young black people also goes UP. If the minimum wage laws work so well, then why is this happening? It's happening because businesses can only sell their product for so much money. They know we're not going to buy a McDonald's meal (sandwich, fries, & drink) for $14.95. The price is set by the market (i.e. what we're willing to pay for something). Wages should be set the same way.
@mikebri527 So what you're saying is that McDonald's, a corporation that makes BILLIONS of dollars annually, would COLLAPSE if they paid their employees a reasonable wage? haha Gotcha. Are you really that gullible? Or just ignorant? Or both?
@jamesoblivion Define a "reasonable" wage. How much is "reasonable"? Who decides what is a "reasonable" wage? Are you that stupid that you can't see that there is no absolute definition for a "reasonable" wage? Are you that economically ignorant that you don't understand the price-demand curve? Or both?
@jamesoblivion There's nothing "deflected" here. I asked you to define a "reasonable" wage and I'm still waiting for an answer. If you have one I'm more than willing to listen to it. If you don't then I suggest you STFU.
If we were inherently good and honest there would be no need for MW laws, but because in times past it was severely understood that employers as well as just about everyone else is not inherently good MW laws and other labor laws were established. Even with the laws established, think of the many employers that violate the laws such as FMLA, MW, overtime pay, and even using child labor.
If you honestly think government supported unions are great, you don't understand economics. If you honestly think collective bargaining is a bad idea, you don't understand economics. Seriously, you fucking morons need to take an economics course and stop listening to fox/union reps/(insert interested & biased party here).
For the record, obama's taxing of everyone making over $250.000.00 a year uses gross sales so this McDonald's owner would get taxed on the 2.2 million & not the $176,000.00 net income. That means that your neighbor with his own roofing/janitorial/welding business & a net income of $60,000.00 a year will get taxed.
Wow! Looking through some comments here, it is depressing that so much of these nonsense beliefs persist despite the economic knowledge being readily available.
I guess it's kinda funny, but at the end of the day minimum wage kills jobs and cuts off the least fortunate from having any economic future. What a shame that it's so easy to make something so funny but have it miss the mark entirely.
Capitalist scum do not even pay their workers more then what a bum earns begging in the street. A bum gets 50k tax free. You work for a capitalist pig they only give you minimum wage. fuck capitalism.
The average McDonalds makes about 6 to 8% of sales which average about 2.2 million dollars which is good money but it's a lot of hard work & requires business skills plus 25% of cost to buy a franchise or 40% of cost to build new. There's no way in hell that some shithead at the fry machine is worth more than minimum wage, in reality he's probably worth between 3 & $5.00. He should work towards manager where he'd get $62,000.00, benefits, & a company car.
@KenMacMillan we have to stop wasting resources on fast food jobs that do not pay. If the business can not provide livable wages then that business should go out of business ASAP. we are not here to work just to keep the rich rich. That is a waste of resources. we need our people to buy their own homes, invest in the future, pay their own medical, cover their vacation and retirement. We can not waster resources just to keep fat ass administrators happy and well off.
@MrAppleseed88 If you want people to support themselves then they have to know how to do it properly. Saving for retirement isn't difficult, you simply need to buy a broad based index fund & pay in to it every month like a car payment. Do that one thing early enough & you can retire a millionaire. People should work to gain experience & ultimately start their own business. People have a hard time with that concept because our culture has abandoned the idea of delayed gratification.
87% of all millionaires are first generation rich. They build their own wealth by being cheap & working their ass off. With a little research & a lot of hard work the kid on the fry machine could become rich that way.
The trouble, Kenny - I mean, ASIDE from you misrepresenting what I was complaining about - is you seem to think that hard work equals success. That may have once been true, but no longer.
Not everyone who busts their ass stays afloat in 2011. In fact, it's increasingly the ones who DON'T have to bust their asses who are getting on top of the heap, often due to nepotism or unscrupulousness. The ones who slave away at three honest jobs are the ones who have trouble with the rent.
Sure. Drop everything and become a business expert. Forget art and teaching and science and the multitude of blue collar jobs this country used to have before everything got outsourced.
Seriously, what could go wrong if the business flops? All you stand to lose is your home and all your worldly possessions and your health.
And if you don't even have the capital to start a business to begin with, well, fuck you. You're a bad person who deserves to suffer, you stupid Poor.
@VysetheTard Take a business class, a couple years of accounting & pick a trade. Try getting a degree in engineering. They make up the largest percentage of millionaires.
So your solution is for everybody to spend many thousands of dollars retraining themselves. Swell.
Who's going to bankroll our education and put food on our tables while we're going to college? And what happens to the job situation when there's a massive glut in trained engineers?
I'm not watching that video unless it deals with either sociopathic screw-the-customer banking practices or the outrageous costs of our mediocre healthcare.
Based on what I've seen from you, it does neither, and instead talks about the General Motors unions, food stamps, workplace safety regulations, or some other variety of small potatoes bullshit that insane and stupid people somehow find the time to be pissed about while being overworked and underpaid.
@KenMacMillan companies do not pay people enough to live, they had to max out credit cards, bubble burst, they leveraged their homes bubble burst, they played the bill clinton Dot bomb market, and blew up.
companies can only max out profits by cheating workers and under paying them. No one has money to invest or even live in the USA wake you.
@MrAppleseed88 Apparently they didn't know what they were doing because they didn't have to max out their credit cards, leverage their homes, or buy into the dot com market. Anyone who did those things made bad decisions. When people make bad decisions they pay the consequences. That's how people learn, it's called life. They are not entitled to someone else's money to make up for those bad decisions. If you know someone in that situation then I recommend Dave Ramsey's Financial Peace University
I would also recommend a couple of books. "The Millionaire Next Door" by Thomas J. Stanley. Really, anything from Thomas J. Stanley. His books are real eye openers. Also, "A Random Walk Down Wall Street" by Burton G. Malkiel. There is no better advise for investing in the stock market. & after those two I'd recommend "Basic Economics - A Citizens Guide to the Economy" & "The Housing Boom and Bust" both by Thomas Sowell.
@KenMacMillan less then 2% make enough money to save, the rest can not make enough to live, so we have food stamps, section 8 housing, medicade all these social programs so companies do not have to pay workers a living wage. These evil fucks push the cost of their wage slave upkeep on the tax payer, give free health care, education, and social security to illegals on top of all the other freebis, so the rich can max out profits. Wake you.
@KenMacMillan we did do great when we did not hire illegals or export our best paying jobs to china or any other child slave labor country where we can dump toxins until the cows come home. As the rich try to cut wages year after year the make sure they will always have less and less returns, and that is why they need these programs to max out their profits. if not they would have to pay real wages and people could buy their own shit just liek the good old days, no illegals, and no china trade
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He stumbled on to something, but he missed it. Did you get it? That pissed off 19yr old making $2.10/hr AFTER TAXES. $1 more an hour before taxes isnt going to help that kid. But of course you heard him say it "spread the wealth" so its not about the kid its about driving companies out of America to "Spread the poverty" nice.
lol never listen to a government person talking about minimum wage.....they have no goddamn idea when they make 10x minimum wage for 10 times less work.
@707hoser If you aren't ok with that, then you go to Burger King. Or Target. If none of them will offer you more then $2, then that is what your work is worth. It also means the products that they sell will be less expensive, and so your $2 an hour will buy a whole lot more, but who needs a big picture?
@707hoser I didn't say if I worked for lower wage, I said if the wage of the low-wage workers was lower. Why wouldn't the prices be lower? The companies expenses would drop. It wouldn't be necessary to charge that much, and the pay scale would be lower, so not as many people would be able/willing to PAY that higher price, and they would HAVE to drop.
@CaptainCocaine If only things worked like that in the real world. The price of the product would depend on demand from all consumers, some of whom would have good jobs, your measly pittance wouldn't matter.
@707hoser right, but the definition of a "good job" is typically relative to the min. wage. The average person typically makes between 3-4x min. wage, no mattter WHAT the min. wage is. When min. wage goes up, prices go up, the average person usually gets a pay increase to make up for cost of living increases caused by the min. wage increases. If min. wage were to drop, the cost to operate businesses would drop, demand for products would drop until the prices dropped, and other wages would drop.
@CaptainCocaine Even if I accept that there is a direct correlation between minimum wage and the average wage, which I don't, the fact is that the minimum wage was unchanged for a decade until the last increases. It is now $7.25/hr. with a subminimum of $4.25/hr. for workers under 20. If the minimum wage was to maintain the same purchasing power as 1968 it would be a little over $10/hr. Do you really believe that if the worker was to make a dollar or two less that prices would drop? I don't.
@CaptainCocaine Regarding your scenario of dropping wages and prices, that is deflation. Exactly what has been destroying Japan's economy for the last two decades. Be careful what you wish for.
@CaptainCocaine SIr, if your claim was true, the the market place would have a lot of much lower prices due to all the good made over seas in cheap sweat shops. However the employers keep raising prices. All they want to do is get from you what that can, and pay you as little as they can get by with.
@RCK502 They charge what people are willing to pay. People are willing to pay what they can afford. If people are paying $10 for a 30 cent Transformer toy and they are flying off the shelves, then they have no reason to lower prices. If people won't pay $10 for that toy, prices will drop until they fly off the shelves again. Even if they make $9.70 in profit on that $.30 toy Where do you think that money goes? Into expanding the business to make more money which means MORE JOBS.
@CaptainCocaine Oh, and it aslo goes ito the hands of fat cat CEOs. I readily admit that, but what do they do with all that extra money? Why they invest a lot of it in stock... which becomes capital for the companies they invest in to expand their business and.... CREATE MORE JOBS. You see where I'm going with all of this right?
@bjornskivids Minimum wage laws destroy jobs. If employers are forced to pay more for low skilled positions, they lay people off and groups of people become unemployable because they are not worth paying whatever the arbitrary amount that minimum wage is set at. It's a basic economic principle. Don't let your benevolence put you in opposition to reason. It is more benevolent to keep people employed for less money than keeping them unemployed for more money. Any job is better than no job.
Lol man that's some funny shit. When I was doing Labor Ready temp jobs, I'd go out in the hot blistering heat to dig ditches for 8 hours. get back to the office just to get a minimum wage check. So basically I'm a slave because if i were legally possible, they would pay me even less. If it weren't for the parasitical republicans, minimum wage would be closer to 12.00 an hour where it should be.
@brandon98188 If minimum wage was $12 you wouldn't get that job. You're obviously not worth $12 dollars. Most of the employees in the US aren't worth that much. Unemployment would go through the roof. You're nowhere near being a slave. $7.25 is way too much for you anyway.
@aphtj What are you some Nazi republican that wants all americans to be work slaves like third world countries. If republicans admit that they America to be a white third world country, life would be alot easier.
@BrettDunbar The Nazis were leftist, are you from opposite world. The Nazis were a right wing political party. Republicans, a right wing political party. Conservatives are about freedom.? You mean freedom of minorities, freedom of paying taxes, without taxes, no police, fire department, no teachers. Conservatives are about rich racist white people living in gated communities isolating themselves from the poor white and minorities. republicans are Nazis.
@brandon98188 You're clueless haha.. The Nazis were also known as the National Socialist party. Don't believe everything you read on Wikipedia. The left believes in what's best for all, whereas the right believes in what's best for each. Racial discrimination is a left wing idea, both in the hateful sense, and in the helpful sense.
@coaster61 Your the one clueless believing in the Republicans say. You guys talk about personal freedom. how can we have freedom with corporate america making all the jobs dissapear into thin air. if your forced to work a low paying job with no benefits, you can't do anything but be a slave to your job. getting stuck in traffic because republicans vote against infastructure. 98% of Americans aren't impacted by tax rates going back to the 90's rate. Thanks for nothing republicns.
@brandon98188 Yeah, republicans suck. They are nothing but corporatists. Why would I believe what they say? 98% of Americans aren't impacted by tax rates going up? haha is that something some democrat said? Don't get stuck in the rep/dem wrestling match, they are both liars and in it for the money.
@coaster61 Sorry I can't ever go along with them being the same. Democrats are in the pockets but they vote against there corporate donors also. I never seen a Republican defy a corporate master. All this foreign money is 100% going to republicans. not Democrats. I agree we need more party in government but for now Democrats aren't that bad.
@brandon98188 You don't think the bailouts helped the corporate interests? or taking the smaller companies out of health insurance and allowing (even forcing) the special interests to raise prices, or sending 30k troops into a country the the CIA says al Qeada is gone from doesn't help the military industrial complex? and don't get me started on the GE sponsored cap and trade they'd like to pass.
I don't vote. Coaster61 is right. There is no difference between the dems and reps. Together they are The Establishment Party. The most obvious proof of this is that the US has identical foreign policy regardless of the party in power, and identical fiscal policy regardless of the party in power. Less obvious is that they both screw the public when in power, just through different middle men. Cap&Trade? G.E. Health care? Insurance inudstry, etc. etc. etc.
Well I can't argue with that. All I'm saying is that when unemployment is 20% by 2012 then you can't say there the same. Obama is weak but atleast he's trying. republicans aren't even trying. the tea party nazis are going to ware Boehner out by the end of the 2 years.
@brandon98188 You do not know what a Nazi is. You are a moron. The Nazis favoured economic and social planning. Calling the tea baggers Nazis is like calling agnostics dogmatic. Seriously, stop talking on Youtube about these topics until you actually know what words mean. The Democrats approved the bailouts of the banks and auto companies, yet you think they are against corporatism? Also, educating yourself in economics would do a lot of good. The minimum wage hurting the poor is a fact.
I'm not sure where your coming from but Iknow morethan enough abou Nazi germany to comment on it. even more than the republicans who get up on tv making up stuff. The Nazi were smart and Hitler fixed the German economy. the tea baggers are Nazis from a ugly racist standpoint.
Republicans are modern day Nazis. most republicans now would be members of the Nazi party. Boehner and Bachmannoverdrive allready have German last names. let's be honest.
@brandon98188 While I agree that Republicans would be modern day Nazis, the Tea party would not. They stand for small, decentralized government (obviously won't happen), while the Nazis are the opposite. Also, the Democrats would also be so. And BTW, the Nazis did not really 'fix' the economy, only not breaking it as much as their predecessors.
@SaviorOfLogic You might think that the Tea Party is an innocent group of political activists, but you're wrong. The Tea Party has been formed by high-ranking Republicans like Dick Armey. They talk, think, and vote exactly as the Republicans, they just changed the name for marketing purposes. Average Tea Party protesters have no history in or knowledge of politics, and that's exactly what the Republicans want. Just like how the Nazis recruited young, naive citizens to support their bullshit.
@pdaniels9000 Except, they are. They are so un-organized, they can't keep the nut-jobs like racists and Alex Jones-ites out of their rallies. While the Republicans tried to co-opt them, and it did help some Republicans get elected, that is because it was the Democrats who were more pro-state than Republicans, so the Tea Party voted for them. Besides, it not as if the average Democrat voter is not exactly the same or worse.
@SaviorOfLogic No. The people that started the Tea Party Movement WERE and STILL ARE Republicans. It's a marketing tool! Why change your product when you can just slap a different name or slogan onto it?
The Tea Party has specifically gone out and looked to recruit people who don't know anything about politics. They are taking advantage of peoples' ignorance. There may be some ignorant Dems, but it's not the goal of the party to recruit idiots.
@pdaniels9000 The TEA party came about at the anger at the bailouts and promise of future taxation. The Republicans tried to co-opt it to get elected. The republicans are no worse than the Democrats, who do the same with other groups (such as blacks and LGBTs)
@SaviorOfLogic The Tea Party is a centrally-planned movement that has been disguised as a "grassroots" campaign. The Republicans voted for the bailouts and then exploited peoples' anger towards the policies that they themselves voted for!
Explain to me how Democrats commit acts of exploitation anywhere near this level.
@pdaniels9000 They also voted for the bailouts. They also voted for the wars. They also voted or expansions in state power. They also voted for Obamacare. Plus, they made no attempt to reform Social Security, Medicaid or Medicare.
@SaviorOfLogic True. But Democrats aren't going around creating illusions about their voting record. The Tea Party movement is nothing but a cheap re-writing of history to blame the Democrats for everything.
Where was the Tea Party when Bush spent billions on Iraq? Where were they when he passed the PATRIOT Act? Where were they when he passed the pharmaceutical entitlements? I'll tell you where they were, they were in Congress voting in favor of all of these policies.
@SaviorOfLogic You can't compare Bush with Obama. Obama came into the presidency with two wars going on and the worse recession since the 1930s. On the other hand, Bush took a surplus and blew it on tax cuts; he took a thriving economy and wiped his ass with it; he added trillions of dollars unto the debt to fight a war over oil. Obama was obligated to make these spending decisions and Bushie is to blame.
@pdaniels9000 Not sure if I talked about this. Anyway, I agree that Bush wasted the 'surplus' (the US has had deficits for decades) on wars, but Obama did not have to spend anything. Basically, Bush drove our car (drunkenly) into a ditch, and Obama is trying to bury us, believing it to be helping us. And I completely agree that the Tea party will only cut certain policies, although they are better than either the Republicans or Democrats.
@SaviorOfLogic Obama does need to spend. If history has taught us anything about economics, it's that you cannot just let a financial meltdown occur without any stimulus. I agree that we should do everything to avoid one from happening, but since we're already in this mess, we have to do something about it.
I'm sorry, but I'm pretty sure the Tea Party=the Republican Party.
@pdaniels9000 During the crash of 1921, nothing was done. The recession ended in 18 months. During the 1929 crash, spending increased dramatically under both presidents, and it lasted a very long time. Also, any government spending cannot create general prosperity, as it has to take the resources from the economy, and is inefficient at making people happy. A stimulus is like drinking to recover from a hangover.
The TP = Republicans like the anti-war crowd are Democrats.
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@oJKBo The ones who became filthy rich almost always did so on the backs of those who are constantly being asked to tighten their belts some more...and smile as they do it.
Letting millionaires work for minimum wage would give them a taste of how rotten the life of those they are currently exploting can be. Rather than actully see this picture (it might be amusing), most Middle and Working Class Americans would settle for millionaires at least paying a fairer share in taxes. NOW!
zerogullibility 13 hours ago
Cool capture card!
ifedthehorse 3 days ago
"...can someone explain to me again why i shouldn't be selling drugs?" tru dat son
toterrapin77 3 days ago
anyone who makes the argument for a minimum wage has never run a business, small or otherwise. All the minimum wage does is keep people who don't qualify for a particular wage scale from working. It's called "logic".
pretorious700 1 week ago
@pretorious700 hahaha, maybe thats why unemployment suddenly skyrocketed.
DontBeAFreak0K 1 week ago
Fuck corporate owned America. It's getting worse and worse...
TAX the fucking Church.
impsick 1 week ago
To paraphrase Winston Churchill, capitalism is a terrible system, and the only worse system is anything else.
handsomebrick 1 week ago
wtf the comments are so fucking big
hahasimp 2 weeks ago 2
Christ he looks like Elton John. And he's way funnier.
ALEXisSPANISH 1 month ago
People that say " most people in this country make more than minimum blah, blah" Even $15 an hour is a shit wage now days. The average minimum wage should be around $10 an hour . In some of the hillbilly states its still $5 somthin. Give me a break. Total proof here that right wingers identify with their abusers. Yay ! Im mr bigshot i make $12 an hour. People are fucking stupid. I dont mind. I enjoy watching people suffer from their own stupidity.
cobias 1 month ago
@cobias Why are you so stingy with the poor? You claim you care about them saying $15\hr is shit wage & then arbitrarily mandate $10\hr? I mean a real humanitarian would at least force others to pay $30\hr. Why not get the 51% mob to pass a law forcing employers to pay a minimum wage of $100\hr? Then the poor will be rich! We could pass a law forcing a 5hr max work day too. The employers may try to go out of business claiming they cant afford it but we can imprison them if they try.
happinessisnowhere 3 weeks ago
@cobias And then lets have Congress pass a law against gravity so we can all float around in the air.
That would be awesome!
happinessisnowhere 3 weeks ago
All of you bitching are morons. First the majority of people in this country make more than minimum. I've never been paid minimum wage and I'm only 20 and have had 6 different jobs. Second if minimum wage is so bad and such a ripoff then why are peole still working minimum wage jobs? If the pay was too low for whatever job their doing there either wouldn't be anyone doing those jobs or the company would have to pay more for those jobs. Think a little before you open your mouths.
mindthreat44 2 months ago
A living wage is whatever it takes to house and feed a family of 4 one miles form their place of employment.
What do you need to house and feed a family of four, make sure their have medical dental, education, and retirement covered, vacations, sick leave, and a little profit of top for their efforts of wasting their productive lives making the owner rich? The rich refuse to pay this and demand millions of illegals they can use and we all pay for via taxes so they can max out profits
MrAppleseed88 2 months ago
@MrAppleseed88 The rich don't owe anyone jobs or high wages. Supply and demand dictates how much money you make at the end of the day. There's a lot of workers able and willing to do the job for less than your definition of a livable wage, so of course that's what they get paid.
rockon6191 1 month ago
@rockon6191 that is why the rich cheat the system will illegals and off shoring.
MrAppleseed88 1 month ago
@MrAppleseed88 I do agree with the illegals somewhat, but there are many, many huge businesses that haven't been able to take advantage. In fact, small businesses have the easiest time taking advantage of illegals. As for off shoring, it's why products are so cheap. We could pay american workers more for the same job, but that would also make everything more expensive and cause big time inflation and thus be effectively worthless is helping people get better wages.
rockon6191 1 month ago
I find it so disgusting how big company's such as Macdonald's pay dirt wages to their hard workers and than pay their CEO's who are essentially useless and worth only half what the front line workers are, get millions... Why don't these fool company's try paying a wage that many would like to get for their front line workers, half of what they currently pay their CEO's or fire them altogether, won't notice it much and see how well the company goes, can always go back if it doesn't work.
GTCism 2 months ago
@GTCism Sounds like someone doesn't understand how supply and demand works. The reason why front line workers get paid so little is because it's an unskilled position. There are plenty of people capable of and willing to do the job, so of course you wouldn't pay someone 20$ an hour to do what another guy will do for 10.
rockon6191 1 month ago
@GTCism Then that's for the shareholders to decide if they want to keep paying these CEOs, not YOU. Go start your own business and compete with McDonalds and pay your employees whatever you like OR stop bitching.
tjohn1986 1 month ago
yeah.....get em!! I'm with you Qpie!!....Tell em!!l.....THey need to know where you stand!!!..No questions!!!!!....Just straight up commentrary.....
Shlogger 2 months ago
Cross said it himself...."after tax"....THAT"S the real death blow to low paid workers getting ahead...the damn Government and its thieving,job killing regulating ways.
Riellysdad 2 months ago
@Riellysdad Bullshit, let's go with McDonalds. The people who 'own' McDonalds on paper make millions of dollars every year. The people who 'run' McDonalds, that is operate the stores and make the burgers, are paid as little as possible. The government is NOT the reason that the people who do the REAL work in any 'business' are not paid. Capitalism is a real job killer, if you can do without workers in a business you do, automate everything. The capitalist value system is flawed.
troublemakir 1 month ago
@troublemakir If it's evil to automate work and eliminate workers where they aren't needed, why do you own a computer? Don't you know how many jobs could be created by letting people do for you what you use a computer for? Technology changes. Job needs change. History has shown we can adapt.
rockon6191 1 month ago
A wage is a COST to a business...and like all costs the person facing them should try and reduce them as much as possible. Businesses are business...not charities.
Riellysdad 2 months ago
@Riellysdad before you decide what business to go you have understand that human labor is made by real humans.. so by that i mean yes business is not a charity but it humans are not animals
hapz3000 1 month ago
We can't allow employers to pay people even less than minimum wage. I'd like to see the Conservatives advocates of poverty wages try to survive on that. A month's pay wouldn't even buy them dinner, The minimum wage in the rest of the world hasn't adversely affected jobs at all, in fact the extra spending it allows is good for the economy. A poverty wage means top-up benefits are necessary to meet outgoing expenses. Why should the taxpayers pick up the tab for tight fisted employers?
bolloxinator 2 months ago 14
@bolloxinator I make less than minimum wage, I do fine. I have a house a paid off car and very very little debt. I am a staunch conservative. I buy dinner quite often, and I never have recieved one dime in wlefare.
If we removed the minimum wage it would force those who wanted better pay to get a better education and would bennefit society tremendously. Im not an economist but that much I can see. Many people on minimum wage are not even worth minimum wage for what they do.
cmmorty99 2 months ago
@cmmorty99 If that's true, you must be a magician.
You wouldn't get a mortgage on the minimum wage. All the people I know on the minimum wage can't even get the deposit together for a rented place. People on the minimum wage couldn't ever afford to have a family, and getting married would be out of the question. So how those Conservatives think paying people below the poverty minimum is gonna help with their moral cause of marriage and the family is a puzzle. Poverty breeds crime.
bolloxinator 2 months ago 18
@bolloxinator My take home pay of $800 a month (less than minimum wage) offers me a comfortable life. Just because I dont have the nicest cars or biggest house doesnt mean Im destitute. If people who earned minimum wage could understand that they dont have to have all the glamour in life they could all live decent lives. Its a matter of how you spend your money that makes the difference, not how much you make. I have a paid off car, a cheap place to rent and food, Im fine.
cmmorty99 2 months ago
@cmmorty99 Well, my rent's higher than your take home pay. Lucky you.
VladTheImpala27 2 months ago 5
@VladTheImpala27 Yeh, if you're living rent free you can make it on 200 dollars a week. As it is, anyone on minimum wage who needs to pay rent is screwed, far less trying to get by on even less than that.
A question: why the hoot would anyone want to work their ass off for 200 bucks a week? Unless they're a masochist? There's no pride in making someone else rich.
freddo27 2 months ago 3
@cmmorty99 You are a "staunch conservatve who makes less than minimum wage and do fine". YOU ARE A STAUNCH LIAR!!
publicatdamagnificen 2 months ago
He's my favorite comedian bar none.
Khyrid 2 months ago 11
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$2.10 after tax? That kid doesn't make enough money to pay tax. It's all refunded.
stebecool 3 months ago
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occupytheworld22 3 months ago
what an economic retard
Beelzabubalicious 3 months ago
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@Beelzabubalicious And, where do you put your Nobel Prize in Economics award? Inbred Retard.
kingkurry 3 months ago
@Beelzabubalicious Oh my God, he really is. He obviously has never read ANYTHING about economics.
HippyDippyFool 2 months ago
@HippyDippyFool You don't need to read about economics to spot a plan to screw the working people even harder. You think McDonalds, a multinational corporation would go bust if they paid a living wage?
If you're concerned for the small businesses, and that's not the reason Cons are opposed to the living wage at all, let's have it means tested. If the employer can afford to pay more, he must. If the worker cannot afford to work for low pay, he should be allowed to refuse the job.
freddo27 2 months ago 17
@freddo27 That's a good idea "I want to pay less to my workforce" should be means tested, they're in favor of means testing welfare so if a company claims to need exemption from a lower level of pay what's wrong with asking them if they can prove their need?
A company that can't pay its worker that paltry amount has surely failed anyway, and those against government "interferenvce" in business practice are also those who talk about the survival of the strongest. Job done.
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@freddo27 If the worker cannot afford to work for low pay, he should be allowed to refuse the job. What? Ive never heard of someone being forced to work somewhere against his will. Nobody can force anyone to work somewhere. If someone doesnt like minimum wage he can get an education and a better job, or just a better job. Thats the problem with all of these arguments, it seems like people are being forced to take minimum wage jobs. Nobody is forced to do anything!
cmmorty99 2 months ago
Man, I don't understand shit but I sure know that tanzalone1 was wrong as hell!!!
Mefreudi 3 months ago
You are a commie.
No no no. If you make minimum wage, it is best you suck off the tax payer for medical, dental, education, child care, housing, and food stamps.
Because fuck man, it is best the capitalist max out profits with all the money they refuse to pay you, and make the tax payer cover your cost.
You think this is the good old days when a person could earn their way in life.
Fuck no man, if is all about capitalist profits!!!!
They mean more then you, or the tax payer...
MrAppleseed88 4 months ago
New Rule:
No CEO/President can make more than 20X what their lowest paid worker makes.
$9/h janitor vs $342,000 CEO
Unacceptable.
So you can still be successful, but guess what...you're bringing everybody with you, cause they all helped get you there. Seems fair.
mrstrings2006 4 months ago in playlist David Cross
34 employees from Mc donalds watched this
TheSjae 4 months ago
He makes a great point-I was just thinking about advertising and how professional athletes' ridiculous salaries are all paid by TV advertising, because the TV money is what drives pro sports. Think about how flimsy the whole structure is-if advertising stopped tomorrow, all of the big media conglomerates and pro sports would dry up immediately.
pretorious700 4 months ago
@diilijethro yes, to quote Bill Hicks, if you make your living in advertising, kill yourself
tonynelson77 4 months ago
I love David Cross, but this is a direct rip off of a Chris Rock bit.
Search youtube for "Chris Rock Minimum Wage".
lowlypeasant 4 months ago
Well David why are you going into Mcdonnalds? I thought you were smart?
TommYYZ 4 months ago
"If big business had its way we would all be woking 8o hour weeks at 2 doll an hour.".....Thats a fact!
xxDogsoldierxx 5 months ago
F U C K Mcdonald's .. I NEVER GO THERE,,, I buy hamburgers at local RESTAURANTS instead,,,
communistjesus 5 months ago
The average drug dealer makes less than minimum wage.
spfccsmft 5 months ago
@spfccsmft LOL...yea right
xxDogsoldierxx 5 months ago
@xxDogsoldierxx It's true, actually. Emphasis on average. Obviously the truly successful ones make much more.
spfccsmft 5 months ago
@spfccsmft not after taxes because their off the grid. Plus they usually apply to get lots of the 'low income' benefits which they qualify for.
Dionysus187 4 months ago
raise the minimum wage enough, and the kid will have no choice but to sell drugs. No one will pay a rookie too much.
eydaimon 5 months ago
Corporations have to answer to stock holders who always want to make more, faster.But when those at the top get thousands per day and millions in bonuses be it in business or Gov. and those at the bottom get their wage cut or loose jobs in massive layoffs while profits soar but not as much as predicted, that is just wrong to me, but that's just me. I need and like money like most people but if I already had Millions and someone else and their family had to starve for me to make more. No Thanks
Superman679 6 months ago
It's a question of need and wants. A person needs to house, feed,clothe him/her self and family. They want that house to be either big or lavishly decorated or both. They want 50 pairs of $200+ shoes, 100 pairs of different kinds of $1000+ pants and (shirts,blouse,tops), the latest gadget,toy,transportation,trip to far off destinations,etc and for some it must be better than everyone around them. What is enough for you.
Superman679 6 months ago
/watch?v=ca8Z__o52sk :Friedman on MW
VividlyContemporary 6 months ago
Lowest amount, legally possible. True story
Bloodsport1 6 months ago
David Cross should read Walter E. Williams on the minimum wage. He's right it is a horrible thing but NOT for the reasons Cross thinks.
jamo387 6 months ago
If I'm not mistaken, every time the minimum wage goes UP, unemployment among young people, especially young black people also goes UP. If the minimum wage laws work so well, then why is this happening? It's happening because businesses can only sell their product for so much money. They know we're not going to buy a McDonald's meal (sandwich, fries, & drink) for $14.95. The price is set by the market (i.e. what we're willing to pay for something). Wages should be set the same way.
mikebri527 6 months ago
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jamesoblivion 6 months ago
@mikebri527 So what you're saying is that McDonald's, a corporation that makes BILLIONS of dollars annually, would COLLAPSE if they paid their employees a reasonable wage? haha Gotcha. Are you really that gullible? Or just ignorant? Or both?
jamesoblivion 6 months ago
@jamesoblivion Define a "reasonable" wage. How much is "reasonable"? Who decides what is a "reasonable" wage? Are you that stupid that you can't see that there is no absolute definition for a "reasonable" wage? Are you that economically ignorant that you don't understand the price-demand curve? Or both?
mikebri527 6 months ago
@mikebri527 Nice deflection.
jamesoblivion 6 months ago
@jamesoblivion There's nothing "deflected" here. I asked you to define a "reasonable" wage and I'm still waiting for an answer. If you have one I'm more than willing to listen to it. If you don't then I suggest you STFU.
mikebri527 6 months ago
@jamesoblivion /watch?v=ca8Z__o52sk
VividlyContemporary 6 months ago
If we were inherently good and honest there would be no need for MW laws, but because in times past it was severely understood that employers as well as just about everyone else is not inherently good MW laws and other labor laws were established. Even with the laws established, think of the many employers that violate the laws such as FMLA, MW, overtime pay, and even using child labor.
7redsauce 6 months ago
Some of you guys need to relax -this is just comedy. Go back to am talk radio and feel your blood pressure rise.
tritondriver1 7 months ago
If you honestly think government supported unions are great, you don't understand economics. If you honestly think collective bargaining is a bad idea, you don't understand economics. Seriously, you fucking morons need to take an economics course and stop listening to fox/union reps/(insert interested & biased party here).
Bitterberry9 7 months ago
For the record, obama's taxing of everyone making over $250.000.00 a year uses gross sales so this McDonald's owner would get taxed on the 2.2 million & not the $176,000.00 net income. That means that your neighbor with his own roofing/janitorial/welding business & a net income of $60,000.00 a year will get taxed.
KenMacMillan 8 months ago
We need to get rid of the minimum wage.
KenMacMillan 8 months ago
Dude, if you know so much about running a multinational business, you fucking run one.
jackdietrich 8 months ago
Wow! Looking through some comments here, it is depressing that so much of these nonsense beliefs persist despite the economic knowledge being readily available.
VividlyContemporary 9 months ago
I guess it's kinda funny, but at the end of the day minimum wage kills jobs and cuts off the least fortunate from having any economic future. What a shame that it's so easy to make something so funny but have it miss the mark entirely.
ibykow 9 months ago
Capitalist scum do not even pay their workers more then what a bum earns begging in the street. A bum gets 50k tax free. You work for a capitalist pig they only give you minimum wage. fuck capitalism.
MrAppleseed88 9 months ago
@MrAppleseed88
faggot. go choke on your mom's dick.
LogicalFlawDetector 8 months ago
@LogicalFlawDetector wow, way to debate facts there. bring up your own sexual fantasizes and project them on others. your are so smart.
MrAppleseed88 8 months ago
The average McDonalds makes about 6 to 8% of sales which average about 2.2 million dollars which is good money but it's a lot of hard work & requires business skills plus 25% of cost to buy a franchise or 40% of cost to build new. There's no way in hell that some shithead at the fry machine is worth more than minimum wage, in reality he's probably worth between 3 & $5.00. He should work towards manager where he'd get $62,000.00, benefits, & a company car.
KenMacMillan 8 months ago
@KenMacMillan we have to stop wasting resources on fast food jobs that do not pay. If the business can not provide livable wages then that business should go out of business ASAP. we are not here to work just to keep the rich rich. That is a waste of resources. we need our people to buy their own homes, invest in the future, pay their own medical, cover their vacation and retirement. We can not waster resources just to keep fat ass administrators happy and well off.
MrAppleseed88 8 months ago
@MrAppleseed88 If you want people to support themselves then they have to know how to do it properly. Saving for retirement isn't difficult, you simply need to buy a broad based index fund & pay in to it every month like a car payment. Do that one thing early enough & you can retire a millionaire. People should work to gain experience & ultimately start their own business. People have a hard time with that concept because our culture has abandoned the idea of delayed gratification.
KenMacMillan 8 months ago
87% of all millionaires are first generation rich. They build their own wealth by being cheap & working their ass off. With a little research & a lot of hard work the kid on the fry machine could become rich that way.
KenMacMillan 8 months ago
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@KenMacMillan you are not one of them
catalinaguerrero 8 months ago
@KenMacMillan
HAHAHAHAHA!
You live in a bubble, Ken. Go the fuck away.
VysetheTard 3 months ago
@VysetheTard It's idiots like you who want to sit on their ass playing video games while complaining about people who worked hard & succeeded.
KenMacMillan 3 months ago
@KenMacMillan
The trouble, Kenny - I mean, ASIDE from you misrepresenting what I was complaining about - is you seem to think that hard work equals success. That may have once been true, but no longer.
Not everyone who busts their ass stays afloat in 2011. In fact, it's increasingly the ones who DON'T have to bust their asses who are getting on top of the heap, often due to nepotism or unscrupulousness. The ones who slave away at three honest jobs are the ones who have trouble with the rent.
VysetheTard 3 months ago
@VysetheTard Hard work can equal success if you're intelligent enough to make it work for you. Start a business, that's how most people get rich.
KenMacMillan 3 months ago
@KenMacMillan
Sure. Drop everything and become a business expert. Forget art and teaching and science and the multitude of blue collar jobs this country used to have before everything got outsourced.
Seriously, what could go wrong if the business flops? All you stand to lose is your home and all your worldly possessions and your health.
And if you don't even have the capital to start a business to begin with, well, fuck you. You're a bad person who deserves to suffer, you stupid Poor.
VysetheTard 3 months ago
@VysetheTard Well I guess you are just doomed to live in your parent's basement crying about how cruel the world is. Good luck with that.
KenMacMillan 3 months ago
@KenMacMillan
Suggest an actual way to make your ridiculous suggestion viable or disappear, you crap-flinging chimp.
VysetheTard 3 months ago
@VysetheTard Take a business class, a couple years of accounting & pick a trade. Try getting a degree in engineering. They make up the largest percentage of millionaires.
KenMacMillan 3 months ago
@KenMacMillan
So your solution is for everybody to spend many thousands of dollars retraining themselves. Swell.
Who's going to bankroll our education and put food on our tables while we're going to college? And what happens to the job situation when there's a massive glut in trained engineers?
You're dreaming, Ken. You live in a bubble.
VysetheTard 3 months ago 4
@VysetheTard Actually the advice was for you. This is our biggest problem in America.
watch?v=NK0Y9j_CGgM
KenMacMillan 3 months ago
@KenMacMillan
I'm not watching that video unless it deals with either sociopathic screw-the-customer banking practices or the outrageous costs of our mediocre healthcare.
Based on what I've seen from you, it does neither, and instead talks about the General Motors unions, food stamps, workplace safety regulations, or some other variety of small potatoes bullshit that insane and stupid people somehow find the time to be pissed about while being overworked and underpaid.
VysetheTard 3 months ago
@VysetheTard It's called "Dr. Michio Kaku America Has A Secret Weapon".
KenMacMillan 3 months ago
@KenMacMillan companies do not pay people enough to live, they had to max out credit cards, bubble burst, they leveraged their homes bubble burst, they played the bill clinton Dot bomb market, and blew up.
companies can only max out profits by cheating workers and under paying them. No one has money to invest or even live in the USA wake you.
MrAppleseed88 8 months ago
@MrAppleseed88 Apparently they didn't know what they were doing because they didn't have to max out their credit cards, leverage their homes, or buy into the dot com market. Anyone who did those things made bad decisions. When people make bad decisions they pay the consequences. That's how people learn, it's called life. They are not entitled to someone else's money to make up for those bad decisions. If you know someone in that situation then I recommend Dave Ramsey's Financial Peace University
KenMacMillan 8 months ago
I would also recommend a couple of books. "The Millionaire Next Door" by Thomas J. Stanley. Really, anything from Thomas J. Stanley. His books are real eye openers. Also, "A Random Walk Down Wall Street" by Burton G. Malkiel. There is no better advise for investing in the stock market. & after those two I'd recommend "Basic Economics - A Citizens Guide to the Economy" & "The Housing Boom and Bust" both by Thomas Sowell.
KenMacMillan 8 months ago
@KenMacMillan I'm a big fan of Dr. Sowell, and I plan on getting "The Millionaire Next Door." It looks like a practically informative read. Thanks.
theCrimsonBeard1 7 months ago
@KenMacMillan less then 2% make enough money to save, the rest can not make enough to live, so we have food stamps, section 8 housing, medicade all these social programs so companies do not have to pay workers a living wage. These evil fucks push the cost of their wage slave upkeep on the tax payer, give free health care, education, and social security to illegals on top of all the other freebis, so the rich can max out profits. Wake you.
MrAppleseed88 8 months ago
@MrAppleseed88 We got along just fine for 200 years without food stamps, section 8, or a minimum wage. Get a second job.
KenMacMillan 8 months ago
@KenMacMillan we did do great when we did not hire illegals or export our best paying jobs to china or any other child slave labor country where we can dump toxins until the cows come home. As the rich try to cut wages year after year the make sure they will always have less and less returns, and that is why they need these programs to max out their profits. if not they would have to pay real wages and people could buy their own shit just liek the good old days, no illegals, and no china trade
MrAppleseed88 8 months ago
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He stumbled on to something, but he missed it. Did you get it? That pissed off 19yr old making $2.10/hr AFTER TAXES. $1 more an hour before taxes isnt going to help that kid. But of course you heard him say it "spread the wealth" so its not about the kid its about driving companies out of America to "Spread the poverty" nice.
greg032375 10 months ago
Comedy is funny.
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communistjesus 5 months ago
lol never listen to a government person talking about minimum wage.....they have no goddamn idea when they make 10x minimum wage for 10 times less work.
Tw1St3DSt33L 10 months ago
There's a reason why I almost never complain about waitresses and I always handsomly tip (if I'm in a country in which tips are socially acceptable).
TechnomancerMorhion 11 months ago
@TechnomancerMorhion
^
This
chulk607 11 months ago
Maybe he should be concerned about why the minimum wage kid is in fact taxed?
Stussy88776655 1 year ago
very funny... although he doesn't understand economics :P
JohnColt 1 year ago
@JohnColt guarantee he is much smarter then you.
Yayoballer 1 year ago
minimum wage is theft of labour
fringeailments 1 year ago
how about "i'm a cowed downtrodden slave wage"
fringeailments 1 year ago
this sounds reminiscent of jerry seinfeld's bit
AsianWhoCanDrive 1 year ago
the minimum wage just kills jobs. You cant dictate wages and profits. They are what the market will support.
casienwhey 1 year ago
@casienwhey What if there are no other jobs and McDonalds wants to pay you $2/hr. because that's all they think you are worth?
707hoser 1 year ago
@707hoser If you aren't ok with that, then you go to Burger King. Or Target. If none of them will offer you more then $2, then that is what your work is worth. It also means the products that they sell will be less expensive, and so your $2 an hour will buy a whole lot more, but who needs a big picture?
CaptainCocaine 1 year ago
@CaptainCocaine If you really believe that if you work for $2/hr. the products they sell will be cheaper, then you are a fool.
707hoser 1 year ago
@707hoser I didn't say if I worked for lower wage, I said if the wage of the low-wage workers was lower. Why wouldn't the prices be lower? The companies expenses would drop. It wouldn't be necessary to charge that much, and the pay scale would be lower, so not as many people would be able/willing to PAY that higher price, and they would HAVE to drop.
CaptainCocaine 1 year ago
@CaptainCocaine If only things worked like that in the real world. The price of the product would depend on demand from all consumers, some of whom would have good jobs, your measly pittance wouldn't matter.
707hoser 1 year ago
@707hoser right, but the definition of a "good job" is typically relative to the min. wage. The average person typically makes between 3-4x min. wage, no mattter WHAT the min. wage is. When min. wage goes up, prices go up, the average person usually gets a pay increase to make up for cost of living increases caused by the min. wage increases. If min. wage were to drop, the cost to operate businesses would drop, demand for products would drop until the prices dropped, and other wages would drop.
CaptainCocaine 1 year ago
@CaptainCocaine Even if I accept that there is a direct correlation between minimum wage and the average wage, which I don't, the fact is that the minimum wage was unchanged for a decade until the last increases. It is now $7.25/hr. with a subminimum of $4.25/hr. for workers under 20. If the minimum wage was to maintain the same purchasing power as 1968 it would be a little over $10/hr. Do you really believe that if the worker was to make a dollar or two less that prices would drop? I don't.
707hoser 1 year ago
@CaptainCocaine Regarding your scenario of dropping wages and prices, that is deflation. Exactly what has been destroying Japan's economy for the last two decades. Be careful what you wish for.
707hoser 1 year ago
@707hoser And inflation has been destroying ours (the US). Neither one are inherently good or bad. It's all dependent upon circumstances.
CaptainCocaine 1 year ago
@CaptainCocaine SIr, if your claim was true, the the market place would have a lot of much lower prices due to all the good made over seas in cheap sweat shops. However the employers keep raising prices. All they want to do is get from you what that can, and pay you as little as they can get by with.
RCK502 1 year ago
@RCK502 They charge what people are willing to pay. People are willing to pay what they can afford. If people are paying $10 for a 30 cent Transformer toy and they are flying off the shelves, then they have no reason to lower prices. If people won't pay $10 for that toy, prices will drop until they fly off the shelves again. Even if they make $9.70 in profit on that $.30 toy Where do you think that money goes? Into expanding the business to make more money which means MORE JOBS.
CaptainCocaine 1 year ago
@CaptainCocaine Oh, and it aslo goes ito the hands of fat cat CEOs. I readily admit that, but what do they do with all that extra money? Why they invest a lot of it in stock... which becomes capital for the companies they invest in to expand their business and.... CREATE MORE JOBS. You see where I'm going with all of this right?
CaptainCocaine 1 year ago
politics.... just vote libertarian....problems solved
ShiebMo 1 year ago
@ShiebMo wow.
aaronjacobwillman 1 year ago
@ShiebMo
Libertarians want to get rid of the minimum wage entirely and pay even less.
Good thinking.
bjornskivids 1 year ago
@bjornskivids Minimum wage laws destroy jobs. If employers are forced to pay more for low skilled positions, they lay people off and groups of people become unemployable because they are not worth paying whatever the arbitrary amount that minimum wage is set at. It's a basic economic principle. Don't let your benevolence put you in opposition to reason. It is more benevolent to keep people employed for less money than keeping them unemployed for more money. Any job is better than no job.
iheartdd4eva 1 year ago
look at these fags yelling at eachother HAHAHAHAHA
naterd00d 1 year ago
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Abolish the minimum wage and the world will be a better place.
MapleMeadows 1 year ago 2
Lol man that's some funny shit. When I was doing Labor Ready temp jobs, I'd go out in the hot blistering heat to dig ditches for 8 hours. get back to the office just to get a minimum wage check. So basically I'm a slave because if i were legally possible, they would pay me even less. If it weren't for the parasitical republicans, minimum wage would be closer to 12.00 an hour where it should be.
brandon98188 1 year ago
@brandon98188 If minimum wage was $12 you wouldn't get that job. You're obviously not worth $12 dollars. Most of the employees in the US aren't worth that much. Unemployment would go through the roof. You're nowhere near being a slave. $7.25 is way too much for you anyway.
aphtj 1 year ago
@aphtj What are you some Nazi republican that wants all americans to be work slaves like third world countries. If republicans admit that they America to be a white third world country, life would be alot easier.
brandon98188 1 year ago
@brandon98188 LOL the nazis were LEFTISTS you fucking retards. True conservatives are about freedom.
BrettDunbar 1 year ago
@BrettDunbar The Nazis were leftist, are you from opposite world. The Nazis were a right wing political party. Republicans, a right wing political party. Conservatives are about freedom.? You mean freedom of minorities, freedom of paying taxes, without taxes, no police, fire department, no teachers. Conservatives are about rich racist white people living in gated communities isolating themselves from the poor white and minorities. republicans are Nazis.
brandon98188 1 year ago
@brandon98188 You're clueless haha.. The Nazis were also known as the National Socialist party. Don't believe everything you read on Wikipedia. The left believes in what's best for all, whereas the right believes in what's best for each. Racial discrimination is a left wing idea, both in the hateful sense, and in the helpful sense.
coaster61 1 year ago
@coaster61 Your the one clueless believing in the Republicans say. You guys talk about personal freedom. how can we have freedom with corporate america making all the jobs dissapear into thin air. if your forced to work a low paying job with no benefits, you can't do anything but be a slave to your job. getting stuck in traffic because republicans vote against infastructure. 98% of Americans aren't impacted by tax rates going back to the 90's rate. Thanks for nothing republicns.
brandon98188 1 year ago
@brandon98188 Yeah, republicans suck. They are nothing but corporatists. Why would I believe what they say? 98% of Americans aren't impacted by tax rates going up? haha is that something some democrat said? Don't get stuck in the rep/dem wrestling match, they are both liars and in it for the money.
coaster61 1 year ago
@coaster61 Sorry I can't ever go along with them being the same. Democrats are in the pockets but they vote against there corporate donors also. I never seen a Republican defy a corporate master. All this foreign money is 100% going to republicans. not Democrats. I agree we need more party in government but for now Democrats aren't that bad.
brandon98188 1 year ago
@brandon98188 You don't think the bailouts helped the corporate interests? or taking the smaller companies out of health insurance and allowing (even forcing) the special interests to raise prices, or sending 30k troops into a country the the CIA says al Qeada is gone from doesn't help the military industrial complex? and don't get me started on the GE sponsored cap and trade they'd like to pass.
coaster61 1 year ago
@coaster61 Well you got me. I don't have a comeback from that one. There are similar. All I can say is, I'll vote Democrat and hope for the best.
brandon98188 1 year ago
@brandon98188
I don't vote. Coaster61 is right. There is no difference between the dems and reps. Together they are The Establishment Party. The most obvious proof of this is that the US has identical foreign policy regardless of the party in power, and identical fiscal policy regardless of the party in power. Less obvious is that they both screw the public when in power, just through different middle men. Cap&Trade? G.E. Health care? Insurance inudstry, etc. etc. etc.
shoelessjohn 1 year ago
@shoelessjohn
Well I can't argue with that. All I'm saying is that when unemployment is 20% by 2012 then you can't say there the same. Obama is weak but atleast he's trying. republicans aren't even trying. the tea party nazis are going to ware Boehner out by the end of the 2 years.
brandon98188 1 year ago
@brandon98188 You do not know what a Nazi is. You are a moron. The Nazis favoured economic and social planning. Calling the tea baggers Nazis is like calling agnostics dogmatic. Seriously, stop talking on Youtube about these topics until you actually know what words mean. The Democrats approved the bailouts of the banks and auto companies, yet you think they are against corporatism? Also, educating yourself in economics would do a lot of good. The minimum wage hurting the poor is a fact.
SaviorOfLogic 1 year ago
@SaviorOfLogic
I'm not sure where your coming from but Iknow morethan enough abou Nazi germany to comment on it. even more than the republicans who get up on tv making up stuff. The Nazi were smart and Hitler fixed the German economy. the tea baggers are Nazis from a ugly racist standpoint.
Republicans are modern day Nazis. most republicans now would be members of the Nazi party. Boehner and Bachmannoverdrive allready have German last names. let's be honest.
brandon98188 1 year ago
@brandon98188 While I agree that Republicans would be modern day Nazis, the Tea party would not. They stand for small, decentralized government (obviously won't happen), while the Nazis are the opposite. Also, the Democrats would also be so. And BTW, the Nazis did not really 'fix' the economy, only not breaking it as much as their predecessors.
SaviorOfLogic 1 year ago
@SaviorOfLogic You might think that the Tea Party is an innocent group of political activists, but you're wrong. The Tea Party has been formed by high-ranking Republicans like Dick Armey. They talk, think, and vote exactly as the Republicans, they just changed the name for marketing purposes. Average Tea Party protesters have no history in or knowledge of politics, and that's exactly what the Republicans want. Just like how the Nazis recruited young, naive citizens to support their bullshit.
pdaniels9000 1 year ago
@pdaniels9000 Except, they are. They are so un-organized, they can't keep the nut-jobs like racists and Alex Jones-ites out of their rallies. While the Republicans tried to co-opt them, and it did help some Republicans get elected, that is because it was the Democrats who were more pro-state than Republicans, so the Tea Party voted for them. Besides, it not as if the average Democrat voter is not exactly the same or worse.
SaviorOfLogic 1 year ago
@SaviorOfLogic No. The people that started the Tea Party Movement WERE and STILL ARE Republicans. It's a marketing tool! Why change your product when you can just slap a different name or slogan onto it?
The Tea Party has specifically gone out and looked to recruit people who don't know anything about politics. They are taking advantage of peoples' ignorance. There may be some ignorant Dems, but it's not the goal of the party to recruit idiots.
pdaniels9000 1 year ago
@pdaniels9000 The TEA party came about at the anger at the bailouts and promise of future taxation. The Republicans tried to co-opt it to get elected. The republicans are no worse than the Democrats, who do the same with other groups (such as blacks and LGBTs)
SaviorOfLogic 1 year ago
@SaviorOfLogic The Tea Party is a centrally-planned movement that has been disguised as a "grassroots" campaign. The Republicans voted for the bailouts and then exploited peoples' anger towards the policies that they themselves voted for!
Explain to me how Democrats commit acts of exploitation anywhere near this level.
pdaniels9000 1 year ago
@pdaniels9000 They also voted for the bailouts. They also voted for the wars. They also voted or expansions in state power. They also voted for Obamacare. Plus, they made no attempt to reform Social Security, Medicaid or Medicare.
SaviorOfLogic 1 year ago
@SaviorOfLogic True. But Democrats aren't going around creating illusions about their voting record. The Tea Party movement is nothing but a cheap re-writing of history to blame the Democrats for everything.
Where was the Tea Party when Bush spent billions on Iraq? Where were they when he passed the PATRIOT Act? Where were they when he passed the pharmaceutical entitlements? I'll tell you where they were, they were in Congress voting in favor of all of these policies.
pdaniels9000 1 year ago
@pdaniels9000 The Tea Party is like Obama then: speaking of 'Change', yet there is only about 1 Senator in each party who is actually honest?
Also, as horrendous as Bush was, Obama is significantly worse in increasing the deficit.
SaviorOfLogic 1 year ago
@SaviorOfLogic You can't compare Bush with Obama. Obama came into the presidency with two wars going on and the worse recession since the 1930s. On the other hand, Bush took a surplus and blew it on tax cuts; he took a thriving economy and wiped his ass with it; he added trillions of dollars unto the debt to fight a war over oil. Obama was obligated to make these spending decisions and Bushie is to blame.
pdaniels9000 1 year ago
@pdaniels9000 Not sure if I talked about this. Anyway, I agree that Bush wasted the 'surplus' (the US has had deficits for decades) on wars, but Obama did not have to spend anything. Basically, Bush drove our car (drunkenly) into a ditch, and Obama is trying to bury us, believing it to be helping us. And I completely agree that the Tea party will only cut certain policies, although they are better than either the Republicans or Democrats.
SaviorOfLogic 1 year ago
@SaviorOfLogic Obama does need to spend. If history has taught us anything about economics, it's that you cannot just let a financial meltdown occur without any stimulus. I agree that we should do everything to avoid one from happening, but since we're already in this mess, we have to do something about it.
I'm sorry, but I'm pretty sure the Tea Party=the Republican Party.
pdaniels9000 1 year ago
@pdaniels9000 During the crash of 1921, nothing was done. The recession ended in 18 months. During the 1929 crash, spending increased dramatically under both presidents, and it lasted a very long time. Also, any government spending cannot create general prosperity, as it has to take the resources from the economy, and is inefficient at making people happy. A stimulus is like drinking to recover from a hangover.
The TP = Republicans like the anti-war crowd are Democrats.
SaviorOfLogic 1 year ago
@SaviorOfLogic In 1921, Harding raised taxes and lowered interest rates. Also, that recession was not the result of aggregate demand defic