I think he should go back to the swing he starting winning with and what feels natural to him, after all it did win him 14 majors and 71 pga tour events. they guy has probably studied the swing into such minute detail we couldn't even imagine and im sure he's well aware of exactly how he's swinging and the difference between his swing in this video as compared to a guy like snead.
its not the swing...its the speed. His swing is easier to repeat because it is less dependent on a handsy motion/ also for distance control....He is missing more because he is trying to keep his edge...Different eras...Funny how nobody ever compares him to someone of his own era that is as long and more accurate...Hell I could hit as many fairways as Hogan if my goal was to hit it 210 down the middle on a 500 yd par 4, but i wouldnt be getting any looks at birdie...
I believe since his current swing requires too much timing, he is forced to "slow" down his unwind in order to coordinate his arm swing and body turn. If he were to put himself in a position where he was not concerned with "timing" so much, he could unload and play more towards his true speed potential.
great video, You mentioned that if Tiger made this change he would reclaim his spot as one of the longest drivers in the game. What is it about TIger's current swing that keeps him from hitting it longer?
Jeff, I've always been impressed with your videos. One thing is missing. I believe Sam Snead said, "People don't hit solid shots because they don't take the time to learn a proper grip". I'm surprised you haven't uploaded a video on the proper golf grip (or perhaps I have missed it). I think all of your students would benefit, so here's hoping you provide a video regarding perhaps the most important fundamental in golf.
Although Sam's left arm raises a bit, his arms work behind on both sides of the swing, which is congruent with one plane theory. A one plane action, requires less timing in order to keep the club on plane, while allowing for a strong powerful unwind. Yes, Sam had beautiful rhythm, but he didn't need it as much as Tiger or a swing such as Payne Stewart.
@jritter5 as a fellow golf professional, i feel like the 'simply unwind' transitional phase of one plane theory hasn't been flushed out very well by anyone!
interesting but i believe sam snead played to pull every shot and rhythm and timing were what he was most known for. seems to me no way to play the game well without good timing. also sam's left arm is above the shoulder plane at the top. thanks jeff for posting your lessons and drills. they have been very helpful to me.
Jeff -- great analysis ...just wondering, do you teach the "two plane" swing that Hardy teaches? A swing like Tom Watson. Would love to see you do a quick you tube analysis of his swing. keep up the good work
I just think with that laid off action that Haney teaches, along with the downward move that Tiger makes in his downswing, He's always gonna be very inaccurate. It is so easy to get stuck from there and he's always gonna be catching up with his hands. I agree that a more rotary swing.... swinging more with the core is a much better action in the golf swing. A whole lot less timing involved and in my opinion... way more accurate. All I have to say is watch Hunter Mahan. Never misses a fairway
he may never miss a fairway, but he also never wins a tournament. just sayin'. but, yeah, if tiger hit the fairway like that, it's over...again. I do like Mahan's swing, too, though. And, who could effectively use their core better than Tiger. Scary thought. I'm thinking that Tiger immediately thinks 'stuck' when he sees the 'one plane', arms behind, arms in front, arms behind sequence. Someone would have to do a really good job of selling him on it.
Thanks, Jeff. I was growing tired of listening to Johnny Miller say that Tiger should dig out the 2000-2001 videos and copy THAT swing. Or to Brandel Chamblee talk about how Tiger doesn't have his 'thumbs under the shaft' at the top. You're right, everyone has an opinion, but you give a good argument for Tiger using a 'single plane' action. Can you break down for us how he can use the single plane action to regain control of his power fade? In my opinion, that's what he's missing most.
Great explanation. I've got a fairly pronounced slice that I'm using your techniques to help solve, and so far it's working out great. I'm getting more accurate straight drives and more distance from all my clubs. Thanks for putting all these videos out Jeff!
I think he should go back to the swing he starting winning with and what feels natural to him, after all it did win him 14 majors and 71 pga tour events. they guy has probably studied the swing into such minute detail we couldn't even imagine and im sure he's well aware of exactly how he's swinging and the difference between his swing in this video as compared to a guy like snead.
silowhore 8 months ago
Looks like you nailed it Jritter - this is exactly what he is working on with Sean Foley now.
blco02 1 year ago
its not the swing...its the speed. His swing is easier to repeat because it is less dependent on a handsy motion/ also for distance control....He is missing more because he is trying to keep his edge...Different eras...Funny how nobody ever compares him to someone of his own era that is as long and more accurate...Hell I could hit as many fairways as Hogan if my goal was to hit it 210 down the middle on a 500 yd par 4, but i wouldnt be getting any looks at birdie...
PUArtista 1 year ago
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Croonie15 1 year ago
I believe since his current swing requires too much timing, he is forced to "slow" down his unwind in order to coordinate his arm swing and body turn. If he were to put himself in a position where he was not concerned with "timing" so much, he could unload and play more towards his true speed potential.
jritter5 1 year ago
great video, You mentioned that if Tiger made this change he would reclaim his spot as one of the longest drivers in the game. What is it about TIger's current swing that keeps him from hitting it longer?
mk2915 1 year ago
Jeff, I've always been impressed with your videos. One thing is missing. I believe Sam Snead said, "People don't hit solid shots because they don't take the time to learn a proper grip". I'm surprised you haven't uploaded a video on the proper golf grip (or perhaps I have missed it). I think all of your students would benefit, so here's hoping you provide a video regarding perhaps the most important fundamental in golf.
orthopoker 1 year ago
Although Sam's left arm raises a bit, his arms work behind on both sides of the swing, which is congruent with one plane theory. A one plane action, requires less timing in order to keep the club on plane, while allowing for a strong powerful unwind. Yes, Sam had beautiful rhythm, but he didn't need it as much as Tiger or a swing such as Payne Stewart.
jritter5 1 year ago
@jritter5 as a fellow golf professional, i feel like the 'simply unwind' transitional phase of one plane theory hasn't been flushed out very well by anyone!
steckleinjr 4 months ago
interesting but i believe sam snead played to pull every shot and rhythm and timing were what he was most known for. seems to me no way to play the game well without good timing. also sam's left arm is above the shoulder plane at the top. thanks jeff for posting your lessons and drills. they have been very helpful to me.
lallfam 1 year ago
Jeff -- great analysis ...just wondering, do you teach the "two plane" swing that Hardy teaches? A swing like Tom Watson. Would love to see you do a quick you tube analysis of his swing. keep up the good work
Jaycurcuru 1 year ago
I just think with that laid off action that Haney teaches, along with the downward move that Tiger makes in his downswing, He's always gonna be very inaccurate. It is so easy to get stuck from there and he's always gonna be catching up with his hands. I agree that a more rotary swing.... swinging more with the core is a much better action in the golf swing. A whole lot less timing involved and in my opinion... way more accurate. All I have to say is watch Hunter Mahan. Never misses a fairway
taylormadeNo1 1 year ago
he may never miss a fairway, but he also never wins a tournament. just sayin'. but, yeah, if tiger hit the fairway like that, it's over...again. I do like Mahan's swing, too, though. And, who could effectively use their core better than Tiger. Scary thought. I'm thinking that Tiger immediately thinks 'stuck' when he sees the 'one plane', arms behind, arms in front, arms behind sequence. Someone would have to do a really good job of selling him on it.
earthshine2k 1 year ago
slammin sammy...real sick
wheresmurf 1 year ago
Thanks, Jeff. I was growing tired of listening to Johnny Miller say that Tiger should dig out the 2000-2001 videos and copy THAT swing. Or to Brandel Chamblee talk about how Tiger doesn't have his 'thumbs under the shaft' at the top. You're right, everyone has an opinion, but you give a good argument for Tiger using a 'single plane' action. Can you break down for us how he can use the single plane action to regain control of his power fade? In my opinion, that's what he's missing most.
earthshine2k 1 year ago
Great explanation. I've got a fairly pronounced slice that I'm using your techniques to help solve, and so far it's working out great. I'm getting more accurate straight drives and more distance from all my clubs. Thanks for putting all these videos out Jeff!
chad0429 1 year ago
goodluck with the job application jeff.
itubeutude 1 year ago 2
Is Sam on two planes though as you and Jim Hardy define it? At the top his arm plane is higher than his shoulder plane?
Elbrieno 1 year ago