The problem with the fortwo 451 is not power from the engine, it's the transmission. Notice how the speed stops increasing for several seconds while the transmission shifts. Most of the power and RPMs are lost between shifts. Your 12 second run there is about the same as a stock fortwo. There are rumors that Veloce doesn't actually do any tuning, and that they just keep your ECU for a few weeks and then ship it back.
@foxmajik I drove a fortwo 451 - 1.0L today. I would say it does the same 0-60 as this video. But it doesn't sound as stressed as the video. I would leave tuning alone. I would say that the Smart Fortwo 1.0L is a lot faster than other small cars with 1.0-1.2L engines.
The problem with the fortwo 451 is not power from the engine, it's the transmission. Notice how the speed stops increasing for several seconds while the transmission shifts. Most of the power and RPMs are lost between shifts. This means no matter how much power output you get from the engine your zero to sixty is never going to improve. Your 12 second run there is about the same as a stock fortwo.
They aren't shit boxes but with the competition like a Pruis, VW TDI anything or the new VW Up! Lite which all get the same MPG with four doors and are quicker, it really is pointless to get one of these things. The mk6 TDI Golf does 0-60 in 9 seconds stock and gets the same if not better MPG without all the laughs. You could probably tune the hell out of one of these things and get passed by a woman in a Grand Caravan making a lane change
Since it shows D, I assume it's the US 71HP. In Europe there's a 61, 71, 84, 98 and 111HP versions (the last two by Brabus), in adition to the diesel (45hp)
In D the car shifts slower than in manual, did you notice difference? I saw a dutch 451 brabus test and from 0 to 85 MPH there was a difference of almost 4 seconds, really!
The car shifts lower in automatic mode to maximize fuel economy, but the computer electronically limits the RPMs at which the transmission is allowed to perform a shift, so if you rev up the engine high in manual mode and then hit the shifter, the computer won't trigger the shift cam to select a new gear until the engine goes down to the same RPM at which the car would have shifted automatically.
The problem with the fortwo 451 is not power from the engine, it's the transmission. Notice how the speed stops increasing for several seconds while the transmission shifts. Most of the power and RPMs are lost between shifts. Your 12 second run there is about the same as a stock fortwo. There are rumors that Veloce doesn't actually do any tuning, and that they just keep your ECU for a few weeks and then ship it back.
foxmajik 4 months ago
@foxmajik I drove a fortwo 451 - 1.0L today. I would say it does the same 0-60 as this video. But it doesn't sound as stressed as the video. I would leave tuning alone. I would say that the Smart Fortwo 1.0L is a lot faster than other small cars with 1.0-1.2L engines.
neilsco 3 months ago
The problem with the fortwo 451 is not power from the engine, it's the transmission. Notice how the speed stops increasing for several seconds while the transmission shifts. Most of the power and RPMs are lost between shifts. This means no matter how much power output you get from the engine your zero to sixty is never going to improve. Your 12 second run there is about the same as a stock fortwo.
foxmajik 4 months ago
sounds like a lawn mower
mrPatsfan361 11 months ago
Is this also with gearbox tuning, or just engine tuning?
Smart4two 1 year ago
My smart forfour feels like it can do 0-60 in around 8 seconds... 1.3 engine softouch, kicking down and sports start...
mitchturbo 2 years ago
They aren't shit boxes but with the competition like a Pruis, VW TDI anything or the new VW Up! Lite which all get the same MPG with four doors and are quicker, it really is pointless to get one of these things. The mk6 TDI Golf does 0-60 in 9 seconds stock and gets the same if not better MPG without all the laughs. You could probably tune the hell out of one of these things and get passed by a woman in a Grand Caravan making a lane change
dshimp37 2 years ago
Who modifies a Smart car? Wouldn't that make it a dumb car?
Shintsu2 2 years ago
how much do these lunch boxes cost
atgskater14 2 years ago
@atgskater14 Twelve grand base, fifteen nicely equipped.
foxmajik 4 months ago
these things are shitboxes, people please stop buying them. THEY LOOK LIKE A GOLF CART AND ARE SLOW STOP TRYING TO MAKE THEM FAST.
Mito2009 2 years ago
i hate the shift delay. its like they're trying to make it sound like their automatics are 5 speeds. it just makes it slower.
sideburns2009 2 years ago
@sideburns2009 They *are* five speed...
foxmajik 4 months ago
yawn... oh i fell asleep did it finally make it to 60?
Tokopol 2 years ago
I've got a 3300 pound car that goes 0-60 in 5 seconds flat - AND IT'S TOO SLOW.
JiveDadson 2 years ago
smart car is the most dangerous car in the market i would take safety over gas any day
sakotaco16 2 years ago
Simply put, you don't know what you're talking about. The 451 is one of the safest cars on the road today. Do a little research.
BTW, I would say behemoths like the Hummer1 are DANGEROUS.
NCCNeon 2 years ago
w w w . safeandsmart . c o m
It's a great source by the way.
You've got it on the opposite, the smart is safer than many of the cages that the US DOT allows on our roads
Neonspinnazz30 2 years ago
very nice acceleration and speed for this car, btw i saw one of these pass me on the highway at 90mph
4521crismit 3 years ago
thats sadd my boys smart car with hyabusa motor does 0-60 in 5.4 with both of us n the car, and goes over 120
splintereffect 3 years ago
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hell check out my video of my stock S10 4x4 in 12 sec 0-60
skiddy8619 3 years ago
i didnt even think they were that fast
Stephster11 3 years ago
Since it shows D, I assume it's the US 71HP. In Europe there's a 61, 71, 84, 98 and 111HP versions (the last two by Brabus), in adition to the diesel (45hp)
pedrojoper 3 years ago
is it a 84ps or 71? thnx
smrt1000 3 years ago
i belive dodg has a full electric care thats supposed to have a 0-60 of 4 seconds flat. cant remember the name...anyone?
Fir3starter319 3 years ago
Great vid... gives me hope. I am waiting to hear back from Dino on some questions related to warranty after remapping.
smartcarfor2 3 years ago
In D the car shifts slower than in manual, did you notice difference? I saw a dutch 451 brabus test and from 0 to 85 MPH there was a difference of almost 4 seconds, really!
Smart4two 3 years ago
The car shifts lower in automatic mode to maximize fuel economy, but the computer electronically limits the RPMs at which the transmission is allowed to perform a shift, so if you rev up the engine high in manual mode and then hit the shifter, the computer won't trigger the shift cam to select a new gear until the engine goes down to the same RPM at which the car would have shifted automatically.
foxmajik 3 years ago
Very interesting, I never knew this. Seems to explain the shift lag I have heard. Is there a way of getting round this?
camphonevids2 2 years ago