A catch isn't a block, I can see how with our relaxed demo attitude it could seem that way. It's to be used in combination with head movement and footwork, similar to a parry. It's meant to check the hand or arm to help you determine range.
from someone whose trained in FMA since childhood, I've used the gun ting in a street fight, connecting knuckles to both biceps and triceps, and if you've drilled it enough, its very effective at removing an arm from the fight and creates an opening itself strictly off shock that you just blasted the nerve in the arm and can be followed up with shots to the eyes or throat from the same hand. Of course theres more, but that's how I've personally applied it in the few street fights I've had.
Nice one dude - we have a similar 'technique' in Taiji Boxing - except the knife edge 'bounces' off the bicep into the opponent's carotid nerve on the side of his neck (which would be the end of fight - not for use in sparring or sports though!) Nicely shot, thanks for posting.
U cant apply that in real fight... theres alot of how's.. but in real fight, u wont know what ur opponent gona delivery to you.. i hate this kind of 80's style of teaching..
If you've actually put time in training the skill then you should be able to pull it off in a real fight. Correct, you can't know what an attacker will throw, so does that mean training for the street is impossible? Of course not. After you get a handle on a technique you train in an athletic manner and in scenarios.
The inside gunting works well against a haymaker, which by it's very nature is telegraphed and with training you should see it coming.
We Use this alot in Classical Okinawan Karate. We use the hand, elbow, forearm and foreknuckle(the second pair of joints on the fingers). It is very effective for real fighting, it stuns the arms and legs and makes entry to jointlocking much easier.
It also is good for grabbing their attention, while their just reacting to it you are already on to the next movement that fits the situation.
I think it's interesting-- it resembles the jam that is used in S.P.E.A.R. When I first saw it, that's what I thought. I imagine you could use the edge of the hand to make the parry, but the forearm would work as well for your system?
You can parry or strike with any part of the arm from the axe hand on down the forearm to the elbow. I train this technique with the same concept behind the S.P.E.A.R, but the Panantukan flavour makes it a bit less of a gross motor skill, which is good if you already have a base of gross motor skill tools/targets/tactics, ala Kelly McCann.
"empty your mind, become formless, shapeless, like water. if you put water into a cup it becomes the Cup, if you put it into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, if you put it into a teapot it becomes the teapot. Now the water can flow or it can crash, Be Water my friend."
@amelimited ive used some of the techniques here in street fighting...they are extremely useful if you know how to do them correctly....anytime someone punches you can parry and hit their bicep or just infiltrate their space...you dont need to know about anything else, when that punch comes you can guard and attack from any angel.
This was a great video. Very nice explination of what the problems were with traditional gunting and how the instructor was able to modify the drill to make it more applicable to a "reall life" combat scenario.
this is a good drill for a great martial art but i c u catchin the fists before u gunt, is that really good practice coz in reality especially with a larger oponent wont it go though or over power ur hand due to the force?
When used as an entry and not a counter you should find that making your opponent miss shouldn't be overly hard. You're using both hands to deflect the trajectory of his/her fist and combining that with footwork/body movement, it's not really a force on force issue. The base of the technique is the parry, with or without the bicep punch you can train to make the parry work.
If you are inside already, why go for the bicep when his head and neck are exposed? Why wouldn't you just step in and take his head off, or push his jaw tot he back of his head?
You're clearing away his arm so that you can get to the inside, it's an entry. If you're some how inside already, then yeah, go for the face, but this is to be used best as an entry and secondly as a kind of offensive block. I'll usually follow up with an elbow spear or a hack to the neck after entering with the inside gunting.
Works best from boxing range, there are better solutions from a trapping/grappling range.
I understand where you are coming from. I appreciate the response, and I will work it to see how I feel with it. It looks effective. Of course, we know that entry is one of the hardest things to accomplish. Thanks.
I find the panantukan/silat entries are kind of situational, this one seems to work best against a punch from the outside and is actually easy to pull off on a bar-style haymaker. Not as effective on say a wing chun style punch coming straight down the pipe, but there are other entries that work well against center line punches.
Nice video however gunting is pronunced "GOON-ting" not "GUN-ting" I'm pretty sure 'cause i speak Tagalog. But if it's supposed to be said that way it's okay i guess.
Those are Century MMA gloves, very comfortable with just the right amount of padding. I've trained with them for two years and they are still in great shape. I ordered them from some website, including delivery they were $40. A google search should give you options to buy, and most MA supply stores should carry them, or something similar.
One thing that helps is that in FMA training there is often a different rhythm than in other MA's, not the one-two, or one-two-three of boxing/karate, but kind of a one-two/three, where the second and third strikes are near-simultaneous. People not used to this can be stunned beat by it, even stunned by it.
I wouldn't teach this to some one who didn't have the basics down, because you're right, it leaves one side open. But when used as an entry by a fighter who has the experience to commit I have found it to be a workable technique, and on slow people if you've practiced it in sparring drills it shouldn't be a problem.
Drunks are common in the philippines. Been here for 6 years for medical school. Saw a fight where guy went into the inside to interrupt a big hook, difference - he put his head down and went for a head butt to the face.
this guy is good. i think he is not one of the FMA'ers. this guy doesn't show but teaches. i like this kind of video clips. unlike eskrimadors who love to show off but in a real fight they are the one who ran away fight.
So if any of ya'll diss this video,just shove off! Much respect to the Panuntukan system. Keep showing the world what the FMA is about and we will be entering the MMA soon using this system!We will be unstopabble!
I wouldn't say completely open,if you've had any kind of training you should be able to guard against incoming shots on your non-gunting side, even if you don't have the reflexes to counter, block or parry, you should still be able to at least cover and push in.
i agree using 2 hands to block one incoming is not the ideal way to train for beginners, your time is better spent elsewhere.
out of all the martial art counters, you have to know that a lot of elements have to be right for it to work, so once you countered their attack and have an opening you must put them down because this chance doesn't come by too many times.
a knock on the biceps seem to be on the peaceful side, yet it's an option
I would agree that this technique is not ideal for beginners. I use it more as a jam/crash to the bicep, with the intention of entering on the attacker. I think some one with a good handle on the basics of stand up fighting could benefit from it. I like the concept of smashing your way in to enter instead of just covering and moving in. I think the inside gunting is a great tool for doing this.
This video is about drilling the inside gunting so you can use it as a entry instead of a pressure point bicep destruction. In a real fight the face may not be open....until you enter.
Hey this is a real technique, you see fighters use this all the time in real fights. Oh wait, it's bullshit and no one does this in a real fight.
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minasz 10 months ago
There are some people who I trained with , with whom I would never put a palm to absorb a hit...
RexBaselio 1 year ago
A catch isn't a block, I can see how with our relaxed demo attitude it could seem that way. It's to be used in combination with head movement and footwork, similar to a parry. It's meant to check the hand or arm to help you determine range.
gx12 1 year ago
Filipino?! im pretty sure gunting is Malaysian/indonesian word.. T_T
sdurgefafd 1 year ago 4
@sdurgefafd Well it does mean scissors in Tagalog too
Lyrisius 5 months ago
love the vids man...
Clemen79 1 year ago
pronounced properly..."goon ting". not "gun ting" although its spelled that way. :)
unclebraddah 1 year ago
from someone whose trained in FMA since childhood, I've used the gun ting in a street fight, connecting knuckles to both biceps and triceps, and if you've drilled it enough, its very effective at removing an arm from the fight and creates an opening itself strictly off shock that you just blasted the nerve in the arm and can be followed up with shots to the eyes or throat from the same hand. Of course theres more, but that's how I've personally applied it in the few street fights I've had.
PlagueInfestedCheese 1 year ago
i love the pr0gression here!
All arts should be growing like this!!!
jesuskopp 1 year ago
Nice one dude - we have a similar 'technique' in Taiji Boxing - except the knife edge 'bounces' off the bicep into the opponent's carotid nerve on the side of his neck (which would be the end of fight - not for use in sparring or sports though!) Nicely shot, thanks for posting.
tatudharma 2 years ago
@tatudharma the same can be done w/ gunting...these guys are just showing the initial movments, not the follow ups.
unclebraddah 1 year ago
U cant apply that in real fight... theres alot of how's.. but in real fight, u wont know what ur opponent gona delivery to you.. i hate this kind of 80's style of teaching..
amelimited 3 years ago
If you've actually put time in training the skill then you should be able to pull it off in a real fight. Correct, you can't know what an attacker will throw, so does that mean training for the street is impossible? Of course not. After you get a handle on a technique you train in an athletic manner and in scenarios.
The inside gunting works well against a haymaker, which by it's very nature is telegraphed and with training you should see it coming.
gx12 3 years ago
We Use this alot in Classical Okinawan Karate. We use the hand, elbow, forearm and foreknuckle(the second pair of joints on the fingers). It is very effective for real fighting, it stuns the arms and legs and makes entry to jointlocking much easier.
It also is good for grabbing their attention, while their just reacting to it you are already on to the next movement that fits the situation.
Nicely done!
jmikejapan 3 years ago
Sometimes when your blocking you use your elbow to break the guys arm right?
Mider999 2 years ago
Do you call it 80's training because it's off the one-two? That's just skill development, not scenario training.
gx12 3 years ago
I think it's interesting-- it resembles the jam that is used in S.P.E.A.R. When I first saw it, that's what I thought. I imagine you could use the edge of the hand to make the parry, but the forearm would work as well for your system?
carbonlaminate 3 years ago
You can parry or strike with any part of the arm from the axe hand on down the forearm to the elbow. I train this technique with the same concept behind the S.P.E.A.R, but the Panantukan flavour makes it a bit less of a gross motor skill, which is good if you already have a base of gross motor skill tools/targets/tactics, ala Kelly McCann.
gx12 3 years ago
the parry isn't improbable, damaging the bicep is - but keep in mind in FMA you start with a weapon and move to your empty hand
He even says in the second part of the video that in a real fight you're going to discard the bicep strike and use this to clinch.
johnnycache 2 years ago
"empty your mind, become formless, shapeless, like water. if you put water into a cup it becomes the Cup, if you put it into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, if you put it into a teapot it becomes the teapot. Now the water can flow or it can crash, Be Water my friend."
sleepykid156 2 years ago
i think if you drill drill and drill some more it will work and dont forget fma is a tried and tested system that was used in jungle warefare in ww2
hagler7 2 years ago 4
@amelimited huh? who said you can't? keep an open mind cuz it's possible you'll meet someone who does this to you and you won't know what hit you.
unclebraddah 1 year ago
@amelimited ive used some of the techniques here in street fighting...they are extremely useful if you know how to do them correctly....anytime someone punches you can parry and hit their bicep or just infiltrate their space...you dont need to know about anything else, when that punch comes you can guard and attack from any angel.
doublephantom2 1 year ago
not bad dude.
gurojon 3 years ago
i liked this.. it was done at the perfect angel and i could actually SEE what you was trying to do. TY!
ps. the guy in red is HOT!... blushes... good job u 2. very well done!
stubbornandfickinrut 3 years ago
Thanks. Tristan will be pleased at the vote of hotness.
gx12 3 years ago
This was a great video. Very nice explination of what the problems were with traditional gunting and how the instructor was able to modify the drill to make it more applicable to a "reall life" combat scenario.
sullyb23511 3 years ago
Nice vid.
shaunsdu 3 years ago
nice vid! i'll make sure to play with it in my next corner drill.
wishnxg 3 years ago
Kill yourself, Troll
IconMaster9345045 3 years ago
this is a good drill for a great martial art but i c u catchin the fists before u gunt, is that really good practice coz in reality especially with a larger oponent wont it go though or over power ur hand due to the force?
hillrunner 3 years ago
When used as an entry and not a counter you should find that making your opponent miss shouldn't be overly hard. You're using both hands to deflect the trajectory of his/her fist and combining that with footwork/body movement, it's not really a force on force issue. The base of the technique is the parry, with or without the bicep punch you can train to make the parry work.
gx12 3 years ago
If you are inside already, why go for the bicep when his head and neck are exposed? Why wouldn't you just step in and take his head off, or push his jaw tot he back of his head?
squirrl18 3 years ago
You're clearing away his arm so that you can get to the inside, it's an entry. If you're some how inside already, then yeah, go for the face, but this is to be used best as an entry and secondly as a kind of offensive block. I'll usually follow up with an elbow spear or a hack to the neck after entering with the inside gunting.
Works best from boxing range, there are better solutions from a trapping/grappling range.
gx12 3 years ago
I understand where you are coming from. I appreciate the response, and I will work it to see how I feel with it. It looks effective. Of course, we know that entry is one of the hardest things to accomplish. Thanks.
squirrl18 3 years ago
I find the panantukan/silat entries are kind of situational, this one seems to work best against a punch from the outside and is actually easy to pull off on a bar-style haymaker. Not as effective on say a wing chun style punch coming straight down the pipe, but there are other entries that work well against center line punches.
gx12 3 years ago
@gx12 i disagree...i've been able to use this on quite a few WC practitioners...just gotta move off the centerline and parry rather than catch.
unclebraddah 1 year ago
Nice video however gunting is pronunced "GOON-ting" not "GUN-ting" I'm pretty sure 'cause i speak Tagalog. But if it's supposed to be said that way it's okay i guess.
guhit1 4 years ago
That's my classy Canadian accent. I'm happy to say that I now pronounce it "goon"ting.
gx12 4 years ago
heyy man those gloves are great, what brand are they and where did you get them?? thanks
regards
joncamanei 4 years ago
Those are Century MMA gloves, very comfortable with just the right amount of padding. I've trained with them for two years and they are still in great shape. I ordered them from some website, including delivery they were $40. A google search should give you options to buy, and most MA supply stores should carry them, or something similar.
whatsabuckleup 4 years ago
that's it man.....I am so sold on FMA!! Awesome demo
sharmark 4 years ago
One thing that helps is that in FMA training there is often a different rhythm than in other MA's, not the one-two, or one-two-three of boxing/karate, but kind of a one-two/three, where the second and third strikes are near-simultaneous. People not used to this can be stunned beat by it, even stunned by it.
gx12 4 years ago
I've been skeptical about the gunting for a while, but the way it's explained here as an entry seems a lot better than what I've seen in the past.
One criticism though, when you're parrying with they opposite side hand, you're going to leave one side of your head wide open for a shot.
JustGuess500 4 years ago
I wouldn't teach this to some one who didn't have the basics down, because you're right, it leaves one side open. But when used as an entry by a fighter who has the experience to commit I have found it to be a workable technique, and on slow people if you've practiced it in sparring drills it shouldn't be a problem.
gx12 4 years ago
Very Clear cut and understandable for the beginning.
shengchenfan 4 years ago
pretty good demo. Indonesian styles have this too. I especially like how you apply it to a modern day fighting style.
knocka 4 years ago
This is an amazing video. Thanks for promoting the Filipino culture.
cocoalinsug 4 years ago
gun-ting??? "Goon-ting" is the exact pronunciation. It means "to cut off."
dinswok 4 years ago
To the guy in the video, it's pronounced goon-ting not gun-ting. It means to scissor or to cut off.
russelg000 4 years ago
Thank you.
whatsabuckleup 4 years ago
Drunks are common in the philippines. Been here for 6 years for medical school. Saw a fight where guy went into the inside to interrupt a big hook, difference - he put his head down and went for a head butt to the face.
russelg000 4 years ago
this guy is good. i think he is not one of the FMA'ers. this guy doesn't show but teaches. i like this kind of video clips. unlike eskrimadors who love to show off but in a real fight they are the one who ran away fight.
467kamagong 4 years ago
nice to know. thx 4 telling. peace
CottonBoxer 4 years ago
So if any of ya'll diss this video,just shove off! Much respect to the Panuntukan system. Keep showing the world what the FMA is about and we will be entering the MMA soon using this system!We will be unstopabble!
KrisParagas 4 years ago
No room for bad critics or comments.Just bare in mind that this is just a demonstration.
KrisParagas 4 years ago
When you stop one side, you are leaving yourself completely open on the other side..
Going to the inside can be dangerous against another trained fighter.
yaukiu 4 years ago
I wouldn't say completely open,if you've had any kind of training you should be able to guard against incoming shots on your non-gunting side, even if you don't have the reflexes to counter, block or parry, you should still be able to at least cover and push in.
gx12 4 years ago
the second technique is similar to muay thai
i agree using 2 hands to block one incoming is not the ideal way to train for beginners, your time is better spent elsewhere.
out of all the martial art counters, you have to know that a lot of elements have to be right for it to work, so once you countered their attack and have an opening you must put them down because this chance doesn't come by too many times.
a knock on the biceps seem to be on the peaceful side, yet it's an option
gigibuybuy 4 years ago
I would agree that this technique is not ideal for beginners. I use it more as a jam/crash to the bicep, with the intention of entering on the attacker. I think some one with a good handle on the basics of stand up fighting could benefit from it. I like the concept of smashing your way in to enter instead of just covering and moving in. I think the inside gunting is a great tool for doing this.
whatsabuckleup 4 years ago
This was me, on a different computer. So was the thank you.
gx12 4 years ago
I liked it!
Aiolosz 4 years ago
basta pinoy the best...
obeth4life 4 years ago
Panantukan has some very useful concepts, it is not a competitive sport, rather a self defense system.
rpupkin77 4 years ago
True.
gx12 4 years ago
this guy has nothing on N the cable champion P
xtlhogciao 4 years ago
the red shirt guy's stance looks realy poor
kyonlll 4 years ago
He's just relaxed because we were in demonstration mode.
gx12 4 years ago
why attack bicept when the FACE IS OPEN!!!
masterkershaw 5 years ago
Yes why not. =) .This is a limb destruction. Its useful when you can't reach the face..
frangkoy 5 years ago
This video is about drilling the inside gunting so you can use it as a entry instead of a pressure point bicep destruction. In a real fight the face may not be open....until you enter.
gx12 5 years ago
What the hell is this, where are the gunts?? And by gunt I mean the delectable half gut/half cunt look so popular these days!!
mellygloworm 5 years ago
Check the mirror melly. Burn!
gx12 5 years ago