Flight Path Animation of the American Flight 587 accident

[MyAccount4TrollingU]

If it ain't Boeing, I'm not going.

[Silicondoc]

No, the reverse engine thrust (left) was engaging in flight, so the pilot was compensating, and as the left engine was reaching full RT, the call for full power had the right engine thrusting rearward, and the left engine thrusting forward, spinning the plane on it CoG vertical AXIS, thus shredding off the vertical rudder and tail and turning it into a "frisbee".

[gratefuldead42022]

I've seen a show on tv about this.

[encinobalboa]

The rudder ripped off too easily.  Any similarities to AF447 here?

[2129261184]

@encinobalboa None, AF 447 lost its rudder after impact with the water.

[theflop]

bodybage -> Idiotic comments. The pressure was not on the airport. Wake turbulence was dealt with wrong which caused the crash. Pilot error. BTW, The # of scheduled flights dictated what the airport was making no matter what. The same amount of flights DAILY took off and landed. It's not like the AIRPORT could squeeze in another flight by hurrying a flight you idiot. Flights are all pre-scheduled. The airlines force the schedule issue... to be on time not the control tower. IDIOT.

[GovWillKillU]

@TonyMcGriffles damn. yeah i understand too those fuckin indots... everyone died.

[phillyslasher]

Did ATC draw any heat from this accident? I mean, they could have held the American until it was safer to depart.

[zigaretos]

you miscalculated captain !

[superiorgreen]

That made the plane tear apart and burst into flames midair. Like turning your steering wheel in your car hard right then hard left, and then the steering wheel, and muffler fall off, then the transmission and brake master cylinder explode into flames.

[NKNW1012]

lolololololololololololololol

[NoShame86]

graphic so poor! They should use FSX graphic engine or something to make the shit look better

[411NewYork]

Eight years, yesterday.

[magicpenguin98]

what did it hit

[411NewYork]

@magicpenguin98 - In mid air? Nothing. On the ground, Belle Harbor in Queens.

[Tampaslice]

Not sure why the copilot stood on the rudder like he did. the captain should've taken over the controls, all would be alive today if he did. Turbulence would not scare a captain like it did the copilot. He got scared and overreacted, below average pilot I'm guessing.

[av8n4life]

He attempted recovery like the AA upset recovery procedures stipulated. Poor comment.

[hamham500]

What sim is that?

[bionicleguru2]

its not a sim. its a reconstruction of the accident made by the ntsb

[Airportchris2]

Why does the FDR data stop before actual impact, an FDR continues to record until, impact.

[doug606b]

FDR kept in the tail. CVR kept at rear of cabin

[Airportchris2]

yes, but the FDR information, used to create the animation should last until impact, that's one of the mysteries with Flight 77s FDR created animation as well, it stops before impact, which it shouldn't do, it should stop recording at the moment of impact, not before.

[poopsyproductions]

I'm pretty sure the tail seperated.

[Airportchris2]

yes, but not until impact with the ground, or in the case of the Pentagon, the wall, which proves to be like it didn't happen, according to all the experts.

[dugar1234]

I guess they just didn't bother to continue the simulation after everything relevant to the rudder detatchment had been covered.

[Airportchris2]

Regardless of it being relevant or not, they are to include "ALL" data in the animation, from the time it taxied from the terminal to the end of it's flight, be it landing or in this case, crashing, all of the data needs to be put into the animation, the whole FDR is there for a reason, not just to pick and choose what is relevant, b/c I particularly think a crash is relevant to the investigation.

[Shardith]

The FDR was in the tail. The tail was ripped off and the FDR ripped out along with it. It can't supply data when it's physically removed from the aircraft so the animation stops at that point.

[Airportchris2]

Interesting point, and completely logical, and that makes me wonder about the animation of AA77 from 9/11, which also seems to stop oddly before impact into the Pentagon, and is way different than the official story.

[freestylefunguy]

An inch and a half of rudder pedal movement results in full deflection. The engineers didn't bother to tell us this. They thought the only time you would use the rudder was during engine failure so they made the rudder pedals an "on-off" switch. Also, forever we had to memorize "maneuvering speed" as the max speed you could fully deflect the control surfacess without damage. NOW they say, "Yes, but only once and only in one direction". Problem is the Airbus has a plastic tail and it breaks off.

[stupidpeople19]

umahuma4 is right but except the tail went into the bay and the plane crashed in to 4 houses and a couple others burnt down

[arsenium666]

The NTSB Board determined that the probable cause of the accident was the in-flight separation of the vertical stabilizer due to high aerodynamic loads from the First Officer's unnecessary and excessive rudder inputs in response to wake turbulence from a preceding Japan Air Lines Boeing 747. Contributing to these inputs were characteristics of the airplane's rudder system design and

elements of the airline's pilot training program.

Nothing more to add...

[boeingc]

it wired he was so violent with the controls i bet i they went into a simulator and did the same violent controls without turbulance that it would still crash bit surspicous

[mabeljean55]

Perhaps if the pilots had maybe descended, since they said they were "stuck in wake turbulence"....maybe it would never had happened. I don`t know, I find this "accident" highly suspicious. What is the Gov`t hiding ??

[RayAir1]

Well for one thing if the U.S government told the truth that it was a terrorist bomb then the aviation industry would have sunk. It was already in the pits from 9/11. this would have killed the industry so they had to lie.

[fblueproductions]

how could it have been a bomb if the tail fell of but the rest of the plane was fine

[qckslvr]

You would have to climb to get out of wake turbulence.

[umahuma4]

Accualy there was a histroy channel documentary on this, the cauase of the crash was overcontroling of the rudder, which e miminked the affect as if they were stuck in heavy wake turbulance, so the pilot treid to correct the probably by stepping on the ruder pedals, but he overcontroled unknown to him and the tail accualy ripped off, lost cotrol, and the plane went into some bay.

[kruger27]

panchod wtf is this haramis

[greenbot]

why use flight sim 1980's!

[neilzep]

seriosly,get with the times...hell atari looked better

[greenbot]

why do i get a thumbs down!

surely the NTSB can get hold of a copy of Flight sim x....u can get it for $30 today...im sure microsoft could spare a copy....!

[tomgolder2003]

Yer Good Comment It Is Not As If There Is A Shortage Of FSX

[toribaltimore]

maybe because microsoft doesn't make a copy for their ibm rs 6000 mainframe

[greenbot]

lol

[kathryn120]

Why do people make these videos? Are you morose or what?

[ChickenMcFuggits]

If you look at the video you'll see NTSB, the National Trasportation Safety Board. They make the videos as part of their investigation.

[n310ea]

The crew never should have used the rudder during the wake turbulence, only the airlerons. If you're caught in wake turbulence, there's really not much you can do. You just have to wait until you're cleaded out of it.

[deighton2002]

they'd trained them to use rudders in this circumstance apparently.

[PeteXcore5]

wtf are airlerons? I'm familier Ailerons...

gtfo poseur.

[n310ea]

(correction) AILERONS

[v6greenfbird95]

First hand experience - Ailerons arent effective at all if anything its going to put stress on the aircraft rudder was a little more effective but like you said just kinda have to wait till ur out of it.

[aspetwhy]

We are now taught to throttle up and away from wake.

[jesseNsergio]

jbfbjsu

[happyslapper1995]

what the

[nimrob]

after this..all industries made instruction to not use de rudder til limit

[bodybager]

They mentioned how close the last aircraft was when they began their roll. They blamed the crew, but if they had 15 more of the airports precious seconds between operations, the wake turbulence wouldn't have been as bad and they wouldn't have even attempted sudden control inputs... This is about pressuring pilots to fly NOW whether it's safe or not so the airlines can get their profits and the airport can get theirs... more operations = more money for the airport.

[elbeffodeheddo]

you are not suppost to use the rudder that violently in flight

[guiwalrus]

The rudder was ripped off, due to excessive pedal input.

Caused by wrong procedures used by the airline when training the pilots.

[Xorthis]

Basically, the F/O was found to have used over aggressive and unnecessary rudder inputs which caused the tail to snap. If he had done nothing the aircraft would have stabilized after passing through the wake of the larger jet.

[plasticspastic201]

@Xorthis yeh he was a jerk off amateur for sure

[bobtoronja87]

This is a laborious accident that could be prepared if American Airlines and Airbus had trained better their pilots.

[sixSICsix2277]

...you mean avoided....

[alexinhooo]

Is it the rudder that breakse, and does it inpossible to control?? Or is it the humenfactor??

[sixSICsix2277]

if you'd read everybody else's comments, you'd know that, now wouldn't you?