Well you got the biggest thing about this band... They are amazing live. I almost can't listen to their studio recordings. The best thing you can do, is go see them live... Preferably on a hallucinogen.
@ataylor992 Right on! Still don't understand why people can't just enjoy the music. Every band is going to be a little different so instead of comparing them, we should all just like them for the great music they bring us.
@MrOpenmind77 Lol dude "even though they sound like they need better compostition and song structure"???? You obviously don't know what improvisation is. Umphreys jams a lot, hence Umphreys fits the definition of a jamband. They're not just progressive rock. You obviously haven't listened to umphreys that much. take a loot at anchor drops.
@poshjarker Yes, both fantastic, yet really nothing alike. Things they have in common: awesome musicians who jam. They both could be called their own genre. Everyone, just enjoy them both, we're lucky to have two bands this awesome.
hey rockstar blaze, if i wanted to name drop i could tell you the bass player in my band for almost 30 years was sam lerner, roseann barr's nephew, thru' her i met the clintons, and a host of who's who types. Im 50 and have been gigging since i was ten. ive seen alot of good shows that have very little to compare to today, but the best show ever, without a doubt was early stevie wonder, whom i met, na-na.
hope for art in music, as someone whos seen brand x, kazumi wat on a good night, the dead(20+xs), metheny, chick electric,spread and phsh, yes, elp, carlos,weather report,pastorious, luc ponty, the dan,the allmans original line, and the jackson 5, and led zep 3x, and pink floyd animals, and marley, i can tell you, these guys are good.
hope for art in music, as someone whos seen brand x, kazumi wat on a good night, the dead(50+xs), metheny, chick electric,spread and phsh, yes, elp, carlos,weather report,pastorious, luc ponty, the dan,the allmans original line, and the jackson 5, and led zep 3x, and pink floyd animals, and marley, i can tell you, these guys are good.
I hate for people to be misinformed about Jerry Garcia death being in 95 rather than 94. I just realized I am capable of being an over informed die hard dead head, jamband fan that is actually giving out corrected information. What have I become...
This was a great show. Me and my buddies through are sombreros on stage and they rocked them for the rest of the show. Its so weird how Jake is so underated as a guitarist. You never see him in guitar magazines or anything. By far my favorite guitaris and favorite band.
Yeaa..So i just got my tickets for the UM w/ Keller Williams in Nashville TN. It will be my first time seeing both of them live.. and all i can say is... WOOO EXCITED
i will add that phish is more compositionally awesome from start to finish of most songs, where umphrey's awesomeness comes from more individually sophisticated parts. that being said, i agree, i like them both for different reasons. oh yeah. umphreys got me on the metal + untz jams
Honestly, who can compare this to anything? Not who is better, but genre and style. Um has their own style of "jam" all together. So much so I have trouble describing their music to people and often just have to play them a track.
I'm going tonight to see UM at the Showbox in Seattle. I've seen Phish 16 times, and this is my first UM show, however I'll say that when Phish was in their hiatus, it was UM that finally gave me back the joy from a musical experience. I had never really heard them, though I caught a little of them @ Bonnaroo in 02. I really appreciate Jake as a guitarist, and he is really flashy, but holds up under pressure as far as I can tell. I'm not here to compare... Just enjoy the wave for what it is.
um and phish are both fuking awesome but trey is a jedi and would rip Cinn a new asshole if he wanted...not taking anything away from um cus they are great and i get down at there shows but its really no comparison...
The way i look at the whole phish vs umph issue. YES, PHISH has seen better days...92-96 was pure magic. But years of touring, good times, and unfortunatly for trey, drugs, have changed their model. I see the same energy present in umphrey's, not only in the band, but in OUR crowd! Point is this is a band we call our own, I never could've with phish, i missed the golden years :( As much as i'd like to say i was at madison NYE 95, I'm as happy to say ive experienced as much fun at scamp 09 and 10
to those debating the phish/um issue, ill start of by saying that cinninger is my favorite guitarist to listen to right now, but phish is being discredited here.
um's jams are more formulaic and structured, giving jake and brendan an opportunity to shred with the band steadily backing them up.
trey was trying to lead the direction of the music in many of their jams, and didnt have as much time to play "traditional" guitar solos. listen to 1992-1994 Phish - almost nothing compares.
Jake is God, Brendan is JC, Joel is the Sun, Ryan is the Universe, Andy is the cosmic particles that put it all tougher, and Kris is the stellar BAND!
I love Phish as well, but you are right, UM is definately more refined. You have to put Cinninger and Blayliss up there with Jimmy Herring on the Jam genre. Trey is a great song writer but isn't in these guys league.
@ninjajo11 Trey is one of the most influential players ever. Having 2 guitars in a band makes it easier for each player to display his chops. He is the only 6 string on stage for Phish. He has to keep the groove, experiment harmonically, sing and display chops all at the same time. This results in occasional sloppiness I think. But I kno youll agree both bands are great.
I'd say that UM is much more technical than Phish, which is why I like Phish more. Because of the looseness of Phish they can go a lot more places that I've never seen UM go . . . Both bands are absolutely fantastic, I just don't get the same range of emotions out of UM as do from Phish.
@BananaBreadMakesMe i dunno man. umph can pull out the untz better than most bands that focus on it, as well as having some incredibly jazzy segments. not only that, check out #5, wbg, or nopener. all metalAF.
bcbower you disprove yourself simply because Phish writes there stuff. Yes both bands improve but see phish live there jams are much shorter and after the structured parts you expect to hear. Umphreys has been known to jam longer as well play reprises or only portions of songs going into Jimmy's or straight up jams in the song. With Phish when they start YEM they finish YEM and you hear every part you want to from prevoius shows which makes pHish weaker in my opinion.
mjktrey hit it on the head, Ive seen both bands numerous times and I would say that Umphreys is the most technically skilled band. Any band that has signs for when to switch keys, go up whole or half steps, milk a jam,etc and can execute them without talking or really listening is amazing. And lets be honest Umphreys is that band, watch them communicate on stage next show you got to the talent is unmistakable
Umphrey's is much more technical. While both are improvisational, I would have to say Phish is more of an improvisational band. Umphreys mcgee is more well aware of where certain jams are going, and they talk to eachother onstage. The members of Phish just listen to eachother.
"However, it may help you to note that Umphrey's defies the scientific method, so you've already lost your chance at being empirical, rational, or objective."
A quote a friend of mine once shared with me, I think it does alot of help at explaining the ways of UM
totally puts my thoughts into words. When somebody asks me what kind of music they play, I tell them that if I could define them, I wouldn't love them so much.
You have to look at UM with the following mindset:
They love everything about being onstage and jamming with each other because, of course, they are all friends.
Being a fan, you just have to enjoy the upbeat style of theirs and let the music take you for a trip. No comparisons need to be made, just enjoy their music and don't start arguments over it. UM doesn't want that.
phish more technical?? if anything phish experiments with dissonance and sloppiness way more than umphreys (phish heads dont rain down on me i am one of you) .... not that it sounds worse or better its jsut a different soudn.... i would say cinninger and blayliss are the most technically accurate players out there as well as some of the most creative which makes for an interesting sound since it is such technical improvisation.
Phish is more technical because they write very complex logues like YEM, Divided Sky and David Bowie. Both are equally amazing and dynamically complex improvisers.
i agree sort of but i wouldnt say complexity and technicality are one and the same. i feel that technicality relies on more strategically placed notes which i think umphreys does a little bit of a better job with... i got an umps show tonight in burlington either way ... ill let you know how melted my face is when i get back hahaha... cheers!
Not raining down on you—but for the sake of discussion I think the dissonance and chromatism that Phish use while jamming is actually way more "technical" and difficult to pull off than sticking to the scale. Of course there's the issue of tightness vs sloppiness but that varies according to other factors.
@hubertrogers i do not agree. I speak of technicality as acurately executing the notes one attempts to play. Cinninger stuffs a boatload of notes into any given riff and nails them. Not nailing them by just playing them, but hitting them very accurately and perfectly. I mean that the way they play is more technical. Perhaps phish has written a more technical song, but the style in which they play is not more technical. It is looser and more abstract. especially trey versus cininger.
I was at this show and it was simply amazing. Out of the 30 shows I've seen this is one of the one I go back and listen to a lot. Wish I had a complete video of this show.
I love this band but posting that they should be compared to mozart or beethoven is rediculous, especially on teh page with their repedative techno song. Even comparing with Phish is unfair as phish precomposes so much more in their songs than UM. They don't have a YEM, Stash or Reba with intricate precomposed parts, but that's not their style.
For the Love of Brian people... These r bands we r talking about not women... we can love em all!!! Like different colors in a pallet we can draw from them all when we paint our masterpieces'.
thats a serious tossup, trey and page are musical geniuses, straight up. phish songs are maybe not as technical as UM's shit, but consider where the musical roots they were coming from (Dead, Allman, jazz) and the fact that;
Umph came up playing phish covers. no phish=no um imo, at least not the same band and catalog as these days.
still, i have always maintained that umphreys man-for-man is the most technical/ttalented band out there today, and will go down as a legendary group.
Umphrey's is amazing. I'm from South Bend and I love them. No one is better than phish, though. Sorry. The two music styles are extremely different as well
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im sorry... im a fan of jam bands and everything but that was just boring. ive never been more bored at a show than an umphreys show. people are so damn self conscious and kind of pretentious.
are you serious? Umphrey's is amazing. I've been to 6 of their shows and I've never felt unwanted or that anyone was self conscious. Their concerts are the most fun I ever have had.
Looks like Bayliss was having a good time! Wasn't this the last show they played 5th of Beethoven as well (before the recent one in Madison)? They throw down for the Granada.
What planet are you from? UM is a million times more talented than Phish. When comparing musical abilities and talent, you should be comparing UM to Mozart or Beethoven, not Phish...
honestly i do not understand the name what does it mean? I do not disagree they are an amazing band though. I love when they stretch songs like these into crazy 20-30 minute jams
yeah i would have to say umphreys and the biscuits are probably the 2 most talented improvisational bands out right now. but thats just what i think. buuuut yeah umphreys is pretty nasty.
I think that umphrey's are extremely talented because just to go up on stage and figure out what sounds good with whatever else another member is playing takes a rediculous amount of musical knowledge, and im not sayin that all memorized stuff is bad, its just that the Jonas Brothers and all those other "popular" bands just arent talented enough to jam, and thats why i like jam bands. U gotta be really good to sound good
I know what you mean man. But unfortunately, a lot of people will just look at the scene and lump them altogether even if they have completely different sounds and call them related. Phish, UM, the Dead, moe., Bisco, SCI, STS9, YMSB, all those bands have completely different sounds and styles but they are all joined together by sharing more or less the same fan base. I always found that to be one of the most beautiful things about the jam scene.
yall are both so right about that. umphreys is currently my favorite band out there but it really is all about personal preference and just enjoying the music at hand. i cant stand when people argue about which band is better because they are all different and great in their own way.
But its so damn fun to complain and bitch about how the way I think is far more superior than the way you think...Just let me talk shit...But seriously these guy do have skills and it doesnt make a damn difference what anybody thinks as long as you enjoy the music
huge mistake! umphs has BEEN good, but this is a time of growth when they are getting significantly better and unique when i see em every couple months. once moe. goes on hiatus this fall, then UM might be the baddest jam band in the land.
also moe. has been pretty stagnant recently, their new album wasn't nearly as good as the one umph put out, plus i've seen both bands in the last few months and umph blew moe. outta the water. i agree that once moe. goes on haiatus umph is gonna blow past em, unless moe. practices like madmen while on haiatus. it'll be interesting to see how this all plays out
i agree. moe.'s last studio album not so great. they say it's the first album they made with entirely new material. in other words, most the songs on their previous albums they had been playing for months or years live. I saw them twice this summer and haven't heard them play anything from Sticks. It sure feels like a farewell tour cus their digging deep in their catalog every show...
im getting my rocks off as i type this ..ughhhh YES
huntormc 1 week ago
@smokasomeweed Yeah it is, but beware of the DBK's and Wizard Burial Grounds because they might spin you the wrong way ;)
Rcs52590 1 month ago 2
@Rcs52590 hahha wizard burial grounds for sure just gotta fasten your seat belt and go along for the ride
leroimoore41 2 weeks ago
@dietzj16 Yeah just shoot me a direct message
Rcs52590 1 month ago
I love this song, but unlike pretty much everyone else commenting I neither smoke weed nor trip.
MaxFactor802 1 month ago
@MaxFactor802 802 represent
Gamehendge802 1 month ago
OG hat! /thread
Rcs52590 2 months ago
improg.
sprjoel 3 months ago
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MrCRPaj 3 months ago
where do i start with this band (preferably live)?
slideon 3 months ago
@slideon check your email inbox and prepare to be blown away.
Rcs52590 2 months ago
@Rcs52590 can you email me that too
dietzj16 1 month ago
@slideon
Well you got the biggest thing about this band... They are amazing live. I almost can't listen to their studio recordings. The best thing you can do, is go see them live... Preferably on a hallucinogen.
TheFearlessFool 1 month ago
nice hat jake
TheFieldsPA 3 months ago
i bet everyone there was baked
lamborghinifan6 3 months ago
Ya comparing two COMPLETELY different bands is stupid, it always just end up in an opinion based consensus.
ataylor992 3 months ago
@ataylor992 Right on! Still don't understand why people can't just enjoy the music. Every band is going to be a little different so instead of comparing them, we should all just like them for the great music they bring us.
TheFieldsPA 3 months ago
@MrOpenmind77 Lol dude "even though they sound like they need better compostition and song structure"???? You obviously don't know what improvisation is. Umphreys jams a lot, hence Umphreys fits the definition of a jamband. They're not just progressive rock. You obviously haven't listened to umphreys that much. take a loot at anchor drops.
ataylor992 3 months ago
enough with UM vs Phish; they're both outstanding bands
poshjarker 5 months ago 3
@poshjarker Yes, both fantastic, yet really nothing alike. Things they have in common: awesome musicians who jam. They both could be called their own genre. Everyone, just enjoy them both, we're lucky to have two bands this awesome.
harpua71923 4 months ago in playlist YouTube Mix for Umphrey's McGee
jake cinninger could fart out more melody than trey anastasio could ever play on a guitar
msrysignals 5 months ago
Love the sombrero!
aaronmathewclem 5 months ago in playlist YouTube Mix for Umphrey's McGee
Cant wait to shake the bones to this gem...
otisflywheel420 5 months ago
hey rockstar blaze, if i wanted to name drop i could tell you the bass player in my band for almost 30 years was sam lerner, roseann barr's nephew, thru' her i met the clintons, and a host of who's who types. Im 50 and have been gigging since i was ten. ive seen alot of good shows that have very little to compare to today, but the best show ever, without a doubt was early stevie wonder, whom i met, na-na.
mwyatt222 5 months ago
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Please stop comparing UM with Phish. There is no comparison. They are completely different and awesome in their own ways. I love them both :)
cuteandcurvycarrie 6 months ago
Please stop comparing UM with Phish. There is no comparison. They are completely different and awesome in their own ways. I love them both :)
cuteandcurvycarrie 6 months ago
I'm pretty sure I heard this song when I got put on hold with the doctor's office
lilsean1 6 months ago
@lilsean1 thats funny....although I do like this song. But your comment made me chuckle, I know what you mean kinda.
darksatelite01 6 months ago
hope for art in music, as someone whos seen brand x, kazumi wat on a good night, the dead(20+xs), metheny, chick electric,spread and phsh, yes, elp, carlos,weather report,pastorious, luc ponty, the dan,the allmans original line, and the jackson 5, and led zep 3x, and pink floyd animals, and marley, i can tell you, these guys are good.
mwyatt222 7 months ago
@mwyatt222 Name dropping is fun isn't it!!!
rockstarblaze13 5 months ago
hope for art in music, as someone whos seen brand x, kazumi wat on a good night, the dead(50+xs), metheny, chick electric,spread and phsh, yes, elp, carlos,weather report,pastorious, luc ponty, the dan,the allmans original line, and the jackson 5, and led zep 3x, and pink floyd animals, and marley, i can tell you, these guys are good.
mwyatt222 7 months ago
Triple Wide...best umphreys song out there still. so sick live
imgamereel3 7 months ago
I hate for people to be misinformed about Jerry Garcia death being in 95 rather than 94. I just realized I am capable of being an over informed die hard dead head, jamband fan that is actually giving out corrected information. What have I become...
sobernuts77 8 months ago
jerry garcia passed away in '94 :(
but that doesn't stop jam bands from jamming!
RogueLeader1337abxy 9 months ago
I've met all these guys while volunteering at Summer Camp, some of the coolest people you'll ever meet.
j8Jr 11 months ago 2
I like this song, I've seen this band a few times, but this particular song sounds to me like a Disco Biscuits jam.
travelingstinkd 1 year ago
This was a great show. Me and my buddies through are sombreros on stage and they rocked them for the rest of the show. Its so weird how Jake is so underated as a guitarist. You never see him in guitar magazines or anything. By far my favorite guitaris and favorite band.
BuKnAsTee151 1 year ago
@BuKnAsTee151 he's one of my top 10 favorite (most creative) guitarists of all time.
mokamo23 1 year ago 2
stop the fighting Cant we all just dance along?
ClaypoolofLove 1 year ago 2
Wake me when something happens.
maxwellkelly 1 year ago
@maxwellkelly Don't be a hater.
vampiresd0ntsparkle 1 year ago
@maxwellkelly obviously a coffee drinker, stop hatin on good music!
yooat 1 year ago
it would be sick tripping at one of their shows
smokasomeweed 1 year ago 11
@smokasomeweed would be? lol it is.
tetsuo576 2 months ago
@smokasomeweed it is man
4OsTheme 1 month ago
@smokasomeweed dude im going to see them at summer camp on acid, shits guna be sooooooo dope
LedZeppeloyd223 1 month ago
@smokasomeweed did,,, it is...
Batmanmg 3 weeks ago
Phish, what's that? UM - SBC!!!
wilsonerc 1 year ago
Yeaa..So i just got my tickets for the UM w/ Keller Williams in Nashville TN. It will be my first time seeing both of them live.. and all i can say is... WOOO EXCITED
fangazmusic 1 year ago 2
NICE!
joshmasters420 1 year ago
UM or Phish both are taking steps to express themselves the energy they both put out deserves praise
pimpalish1988 1 year ago
Awesome Band. been into these guys for like 7 or 8 years they've really come into their own.
spicolli769 1 year ago
Love you Umphrey's!!! You guys Rock!!!
Check out one of my new fave bands, they're just a local band from my area, but they rock. If you like UM you will like The Harmonic Cosmonuats
intergalacticjuice 1 year ago
i will add that phish is more compositionally awesome from start to finish of most songs, where umphrey's awesomeness comes from more individually sophisticated parts. that being said, i agree, i like them both for different reasons. oh yeah. umphreys got me on the metal + untz jams
buttermongoose 1 year ago
Honestly, who can compare this to anything? Not who is better, but genre and style. Um has their own style of "jam" all together. So much so I have trouble describing their music to people and often just have to play them a track.
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maduharshi 1 year ago
I'm going tonight to see UM at the Showbox in Seattle. I've seen Phish 16 times, and this is my first UM show, however I'll say that when Phish was in their hiatus, it was UM that finally gave me back the joy from a musical experience. I had never really heard them, though I caught a little of them @ Bonnaroo in 02. I really appreciate Jake as a guitarist, and he is really flashy, but holds up under pressure as far as I can tell. I'm not here to compare... Just enjoy the wave for what it is.
irontonremy 1 year ago
um and phish are both fuking awesome but trey is a jedi and would rip Cinn a new asshole if he wanted...not taking anything away from um cus they are great and i get down at there shows but its really no comparison...
78jjackson 1 year ago
4:55 --were they trying to re-create cell phone stereo distortion?
RippyMcTarded 1 year ago
post a comment not a paragraph. UM KICKS ASS NORTHCOAST FEST BABY!!!!
psvc22 1 year ago
The way i look at the whole phish vs umph issue. YES, PHISH has seen better days...92-96 was pure magic. But years of touring, good times, and unfortunatly for trey, drugs, have changed their model. I see the same energy present in umphrey's, not only in the band, but in OUR crowd! Point is this is a band we call our own, I never could've with phish, i missed the golden years :( As much as i'd like to say i was at madison NYE 95, I'm as happy to say ive experienced as much fun at scamp 09 and 10
pulseofthemagats22 1 year ago 2
to those debating the phish/um issue, ill start of by saying that cinninger is my favorite guitarist to listen to right now, but phish is being discredited here.
um's jams are more formulaic and structured, giving jake and brendan an opportunity to shred with the band steadily backing them up.
trey was trying to lead the direction of the music in many of their jams, and didnt have as much time to play "traditional" guitar solos. listen to 1992-1994 Phish - almost nothing compares.
romanempirestate 1 year ago
Go see live music
spacecowboy05 1 year ago
4:40 some cool frequency stuff going on very nice.
messton420 1 year ago
Jake is God, Brendan is JC, Joel is the Sun, Ryan is the Universe, Andy is the cosmic particles that put it all tougher, and Kris is the stellar BAND!
ih8spam1 1 year ago
I love Phish as well, but you are right, UM is definately more refined. You have to put Cinninger and Blayliss up there with Jimmy Herring on the Jam genre. Trey is a great song writer but isn't in these guys league.
ninjajo11 1 year ago
@ninjajo11 Trey is one of the most influential players ever. Having 2 guitars in a band makes it easier for each player to display his chops. He is the only 6 string on stage for Phish. He has to keep the groove, experiment harmonically, sing and display chops all at the same time. This results in occasional sloppiness I think. But I kno youll agree both bands are great.
JosephIbrahim88 1 year ago
If you need to argue while/after watching this, you totally missed the point. Enjoy it and space out. Smoke up if ya got it.
stackny 1 year ago 9
@stackny knows whatsup. <3
majordamage1234 1 year ago
fusion at its finest! is it hip-hop? is it electronica? is it metal? is it jam? LOL...
no i am not asking this, i am stating all the dif genres this song segues through. flawlessly!
shymama8 1 year ago
Everything a good jam should be. Just amazing.
MrCampy123 1 year ago
Simply-simple-y-amazing.
phishhed44 2 years ago
Umphrey's can easily put on a 60 minute jam that would kick phish's ass
drew0445 2 years ago
4:00 ya use dat spd-s myers
umphrey10 2 years ago
I'd say that UM is much more technical than Phish, which is why I like Phish more. Because of the looseness of Phish they can go a lot more places that I've never seen UM go . . . Both bands are absolutely fantastic, I just don't get the same range of emotions out of UM as do from Phish.
BananaBreadMakesMe 2 years ago
@BananaBreadMakesMe i dunno man. umph can pull out the untz better than most bands that focus on it, as well as having some incredibly jazzy segments. not only that, check out #5, wbg, or nopener. all metalAF.
however
BISCO SUPREMACY
kylekillsit 2 years ago
"BISCO SUPREMACY "
Nope. UM = Phish > tDB
Overall, talent, range of styles and fluidity.... tDB can't touch UM or Phish.
Daedalus1347 2 years ago
@Daedalus1347
diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks.
kylekillsit 2 years ago
Truth
Daedalus1347 2 years ago
@Daedalus1347 Nope. Phish > UM = tDB
gmacdon1 2 years ago
Phish>UM>Grateful Dead>tDB
hugobugo36 2 years ago
The Disco Biscuits CD i bought was a total and complete waste of my time. shitty jams, shitty riffs,shitty singing
Majilla507 2 years ago
its ok, you werent chosen for the dark side.
i have seen UM 7 times in the last 6 months and i couldnt be happier!
kylekillsit 1 year ago
ya they dont have as much soul so they have to compensate somwhere, but they also havt been around as long
matt52590 2 years ago
bcbower you disprove yourself simply because Phish writes there stuff. Yes both bands improve but see phish live there jams are much shorter and after the structured parts you expect to hear. Umphreys has been known to jam longer as well play reprises or only portions of songs going into Jimmy's or straight up jams in the song. With Phish when they start YEM they finish YEM and you hear every part you want to from prevoius shows which makes pHish weaker in my opinion.
evanisthemans 2 years ago
Um . . . phish is a different, older band now. They're doing different things at their shows than they did when they were UM's age.
But they have played longer jams than anyone. I mean come on, a 60 minute Runaway Jim?
fetnerg 2 years ago
I think it is 59min. but who's counting
Dutchpants 2 years ago
mjktrey hit it on the head, Ive seen both bands numerous times and I would say that Umphreys is the most technically skilled band. Any band that has signs for when to switch keys, go up whole or half steps, milk a jam,etc and can execute them without talking or really listening is amazing. And lets be honest Umphreys is that band, watch them communicate on stage next show you got to the talent is unmistakable
evanisthemans 2 years ago
Umphrey's is much more technical. While both are improvisational, I would have to say Phish is more of an improvisational band. Umphreys mcgee is more well aware of where certain jams are going, and they talk to eachother onstage. The members of Phish just listen to eachother.
mjktrey 2 years ago
"However, it may help you to note that Umphrey's defies the scientific method, so you've already lost your chance at being empirical, rational, or objective."
A quote a friend of mine once shared with me, I think it does alot of help at explaining the ways of UM
cwiseguy69 2 years ago
totally puts my thoughts into words. When somebody asks me what kind of music they play, I tell them that if I could define them, I wouldn't love them so much.
NBrody1 2 years ago
Wish the biscuits came in on this one with buddha.
g4nd41f 2 years ago
yea the show at higher ground burlington was amazing!!!
jborselli15 2 years ago
I just wish that they played every weekend within driving distance of me cause i would be there every weekend!!!
GO IRISH!!!!
brianwallace33 2 years ago
rager
aratoj 2 years ago
You have to look at UM with the following mindset:
They love everything about being onstage and jamming with each other because, of course, they are all friends.
Being a fan, you just have to enjoy the upbeat style of theirs and let the music take you for a trip. No comparisons need to be made, just enjoy their music and don't start arguments over it. UM doesn't want that.
munkymash 2 years ago 60
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rgilb918 2 years ago
Umphrey's and Phish are both amazing, just different. Being a multi-instrumentalist, I do find Phish more technical though.
bcbowar50 2 years ago
phish more technical?? if anything phish experiments with dissonance and sloppiness way more than umphreys (phish heads dont rain down on me i am one of you) .... not that it sounds worse or better its jsut a different soudn.... i would say cinninger and blayliss are the most technically accurate players out there as well as some of the most creative which makes for an interesting sound since it is such technical improvisation.
Bonzoandthemadhatter 2 years ago 21
Phish is more technical because they write very complex logues like YEM, Divided Sky and David Bowie. Both are equally amazing and dynamically complex improvisers.
bcbowar50 2 years ago
i agree sort of but i wouldnt say complexity and technicality are one and the same. i feel that technicality relies on more strategically placed notes which i think umphreys does a little bit of a better job with... i got an umps show tonight in burlington either way ... ill let you know how melted my face is when i get back hahaha... cheers!
Bonzoandthemadhatter 2 years ago
@Bonzoandthemadhatter
Not raining down on you—but for the sake of discussion I think the dissonance and chromatism that Phish use while jamming is actually way more "technical" and difficult to pull off than sticking to the scale. Of course there's the issue of tightness vs sloppiness but that varies according to other factors.
hubertrogers 1 year ago
@hubertrogers i do not agree. I speak of technicality as acurately executing the notes one attempts to play. Cinninger stuffs a boatload of notes into any given riff and nails them. Not nailing them by just playing them, but hitting them very accurately and perfectly. I mean that the way they play is more technical. Perhaps phish has written a more technical song, but the style in which they play is not more technical. It is looser and more abstract. especially trey versus cininger.
Bonzoandthemadhatter 1 year ago
@Bonzoandthemadhatter I love Phish as well, but you are right, UM is definately more refined.
ninjajo11 1 year ago
I was at this show and it was simply amazing. Out of the 30 shows I've seen this is one of the one I go back and listen to a lot. Wish I had a complete video of this show.
phikus 2 years ago
I love this band but posting that they should be compared to mozart or beethoven is rediculous, especially on teh page with their repedative techno song. Even comparing with Phish is unfair as phish precomposes so much more in their songs than UM. They don't have a YEM, Stash or Reba with intricate precomposed parts, but that's not their style.
cam0083 2 years ago
Wizard Burial Ground
cfisherj 2 years ago 2
Utopian Fir? different "movements" and always 20 minutes long like YEM
birdman829 2 years ago
Thank you umphreys mc-fucking-gee
jsb2277 2 years ago
love the mexi hat on cinco de mayo!!!
thedividedsky000 2 years ago
such a great jam
umphreys93 2 years ago
For the Love of Brian people... These r bands we r talking about not women... we can love em all!!! Like different colors in a pallet we can draw from them all when we paint our masterpieces'.
LUV YUS
groovemaster420 2 years ago 3
thats a serious tossup, trey and page are musical geniuses, straight up. phish songs are maybe not as technical as UM's shit, but consider where the musical roots they were coming from (Dead, Allman, jazz) and the fact that;
Umph came up playing phish covers. no phish=no um imo, at least not the same band and catalog as these days.
still, i have always maintained that umphreys man-for-man is the most technical/ttalented band out there today, and will go down as a legendary group.
Im a tribehead.
JWarner86 2 years ago 2
Umphrey's is amazing. I'm from South Bend and I love them. No one is better than phish, though. Sorry. The two music styles are extremely different as well
phishrox1 2 years ago
UM ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
JTC4ME 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
im sorry... im a fan of jam bands and everything but that was just boring. ive never been more bored at a show than an umphreys show. people are so damn self conscious and kind of pretentious.
Samzo 2 years ago
are you serious? Umphrey's is amazing. I've been to 6 of their shows and I've never felt unwanted or that anyone was self conscious. Their concerts are the most fun I ever have had.
weglarz 2 years ago 3
great jam i love um
arz703 2 years ago 2
HAHA.
brandomaster90 2 years ago
this song is immense...
Brownfinger1 2 years ago 2
these guys rule... i saw them a few years ago and their show is tight
benmalmed 2 years ago 3
Looks like Bayliss was having a good time! Wasn't this the last show they played 5th of Beethoven as well (before the recent one in Madison)? They throw down for the Granada.
stecky 2 years ago
modern day lol.
these guys have been killing it for over 10 years.
Majilla507 3 years ago 3
roflmao@ 'they don't suck'
rainbow0921 3 years ago
they don't, they're even better than phish.
weglarz 2 years ago
def not better than phish my friend...but they put on a good show
cruisinbetz 2 years ago
What planet are you from? UM is a million times more talented than Phish. When comparing musical abilities and talent, you should be comparing UM to Mozart or Beethoven, not Phish...
PimblyCharles 2 years ago
lol thats the funiest shit i've read in a long time, and i troll on FML all the time...
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rattyb21 2 years ago
Mozart, phish and UM are completely uncomparable
AARONdub5 2 years ago 2
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doglizarddog 2 years ago
They don't suck. I'm impressed. I figured just by the name that they would be another random ass modern band that sucks. I was wrong.
CaptainFeigh 3 years ago
i actually think its one of the most creative band names out there. nevertheless, never judge a band by its name.
cant wait till they come to NY in april
XcHInEsEjEwX 3 years ago
honestly i do not understand the name what does it mean? I do not disagree they are an amazing band though. I love when they stretch songs like these into crazy 20-30 minute jams
55KOMA55 3 years ago
umphrey is a relative of bayliss (uncle, i think). not really sure where the mcgee came from though. bottom line, the name sounds cool
XcHInEsEjEwX 3 years ago
I think it was the name of a distant relative of BB's named Humphreys McGee. No matter the name, the music is umfucking-believable
gratefuldead68 3 years ago
no doubt. thanks for the info.
55KOMA55 3 years ago
nice. i dont think i can ove anything... im a real stone hearted induvidual.
art2art 3 years ago 2
i ove this song
heard it first time at the release show in chicago for mantis
LambOfGod181 3 years ago
and them and the biscuits i think have the best build ups for sho.
FunkyDung1969 3 years ago
yeah i would have to say umphreys and the biscuits are probably the 2 most talented improvisational bands out right now. but thats just what i think. buuuut yeah umphreys is pretty nasty.
FunkyDung1969 3 years ago
I think that umphrey's are extremely talented because just to go up on stage and figure out what sounds good with whatever else another member is playing takes a rediculous amount of musical knowledge, and im not sayin that all memorized stuff is bad, its just that the Jonas Brothers and all those other "popular" bands just arent talented enough to jam, and thats why i like jam bands. U gotta be really good to sound good
55KOMA55 3 years ago 4
umphreys is the best live rock band out there. its simply a fact you may not like their music but they have a tight as fuck act everytime
EvanGri 3 years ago 2
There is no way anyone can listen to this song and not be in a great mood when its over...BEAUTIFUL!!!
Zeppelin1717 3 years ago 2
FUCKING LOVE THIS SONG!!!!
westipher25 3 years ago
im tired of looking at every umph video and reading comments about being related to phish and the dead,
get your head out of your ass and enjoy the music provided, im sure umph doesent get on stage praying they do better than moe. or anyone else
Garrett751 3 years ago 3
I know what you mean man. But unfortunately, a lot of people will just look at the scene and lump them altogether even if they have completely different sounds and call them related. Phish, UM, the Dead, moe., Bisco, SCI, STS9, YMSB, all those bands have completely different sounds and styles but they are all joined together by sharing more or less the same fan base. I always found that to be one of the most beautiful things about the jam scene.
phreak89 3 years ago 2
widespread is different style just like the dead are but this shit is really better than phish
ddeadhead 3 years ago 2
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doglizarddog 2 years ago
How bout this...they are all great! They are different, so you cant say "x" is better than "y" because it all comes down to personal preference.
Let's all just appreciate the music and be grateful that we have it!
nickbuchy 3 years ago 5
Thank you... I can never believe how many people continuously say that this band is better than that band. It all comes down to your taste in music.
Everybody just needs to enjoy the music for what it is!
Devbomb22 3 years ago 3
yall are both so right about that. umphreys is currently my favorite band out there but it really is all about personal preference and just enjoying the music at hand. i cant stand when people argue about which band is better because they are all different and great in their own way.
chrishughston1313 3 years ago
But its so damn fun to complain and bitch about how the way I think is far more superior than the way you think...Just let me talk shit...But seriously these guy do have skills and it doesnt make a damn difference what anybody thinks as long as you enjoy the music
LYLARcnAbys 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Widespread panic is so much better.
murl1 3 years ago
um no...why do u find it necessary to post such things in here...they don't even compare
JDMCN 3 years ago
Ump Is SOOOO much Better than Moe. not even Close
But Moe Is Dank Too
NaednoD 3 years ago 2
where are the MUSHIESSSSS IN ATHENSSSS
jburns89 3 years ago
umph kills moe. the musicianship is just not there
jayhonk 3 years ago
LOVE THIS FREAKING SONG. sounds like they've changed it up a bit since the last time i heard it.
axhed 3 years ago
nasty.. cant wait to see them 10/17
egif1012 3 years ago
i saw them in milwaukee and they played this after the morning song, it was ssoo sick
surfwaxamerica333 4 years ago
I was at this show, it was the HEAT. The jam in the middle of the Triple Wide is what Umphrey's McGee is all about!
rockstarcivilian 4 years ago
Gabba-gabba-we accept you! One of us! ;D
phishhed44 4 years ago
hell yea dude i was there!!!!!! probly the best concert ive ever witnessed...
behindclosedseyes 4 years ago
Did anyone else witness Umph's exceptional show at the 10,000 lakes festival this year? absolutly on fire!
Carini83 4 years ago
yeah i was there and my face got torn off. long live the umph
lotsoftrauma 4 years ago
i am officially changed my opinion of this song..rock on um!
aratoj 4 years ago 2
i must say that i had the oppourtunity to go to the texas shows and didnt go
big mistake
kindbd420 4 years ago 2
huge mistake! umphs has BEEN good, but this is a time of growth when they are getting significantly better and unique when i see em every couple months. once moe. goes on hiatus this fall, then UM might be the baddest jam band in the land.
loufish 3 years ago 2
also moe. has been pretty stagnant recently, their new album wasn't nearly as good as the one umph put out, plus i've seen both bands in the last few months and umph blew moe. outta the water. i agree that once moe. goes on haiatus umph is gonna blow past em, unless moe. practices like madmen while on haiatus. it'll be interesting to see how this all plays out
kappakappashred 3 years ago 2
i agree. moe.'s last studio album not so great. they say it's the first album they made with entirely new material. in other words, most the songs on their previous albums they had been playing for months or years live. I saw them twice this summer and haven't heard them play anything from Sticks. It sure feels like a farewell tour cus their digging deep in their catalog every show...
loufish 3 years ago
in your opinion...
I think sticks and stones was amazing because moe. changes it up during every album, its all apart of their genius
msrysignals 3 years ago