They're trying to protect fetuses right? beings without memory, without relationships, friends, nothing, oh gee, it's terrible to kill fetuses, it's evil! On the other hand, let's kill a bunch of people who actually have people that loved them waiting at home hoping they'll be ok in war and such.
@carmel350 It isn't tramatic when it is a zygote though. That early in the pregnancy you don't even know you're pregnant as you wouldn't of even missed your period yet. It's only tramatic when it has become a fetus and you decide to birth it. It's horrible to put so much effort and love into your plan for your future baby only to have a sponatius abortion.
@IKillBabyKittensLOL DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT A ZYGOTE IS? IT SEEMS FUNNY THAT IF YOU WANT YOUR BABY AND THEN YOU MISSCARRY IT'S SO TRAMATIC, BUT IF YOU CHOOSE ABORTION YOU JUST CALL IT A PROCEEDURE AND APPARENTLY HAVE NO FEELINGS, IN FACT YOUR RELIEVED! SOUNDS LIKE SOME KIND OF WIERD MIND CONTROL!
Abortion if too be made has to be made only during exceptional cases, i.e, rape or the baby is a danger to the mother, if a parent cannot raise the child give him in for adoption, without these restrictions in some time we will be aborting down syndrome babies or anyone with any retardation or defect, parents who want boys will abort girls, people will not be held responsible for there mistakes and will thus find an easy way out, abortion.
you cant control babies that don't implant, persecuting them for that would be like persecuting a doctor after he did everything to keep his patient alive, but couldn't. persecuting them for abortion would be like persecuting a doctor for stabbing his patient
you cant control babies that don't implant, persecuting them for that would be like persecuting a doctor after he did everything to keep his patient alive, but couldn't. persecuting them for abortion would be like persecuting a doctor for stabbing his patient
you cant control babies that don't implant, persecuting them for that would be like persecuting a doctor after he did everything to keep his patient alive, but couldn't. persecuting them for abortion would be like persecuting a doctor for stabbing his patient
Oh fuck no do NOT get rid of my pill >:( Or any birth control for that matter. In fact, isn't the availability of birth control one of the big arguments against abortion if the sex was consensual?
@elPominator She wasn't bashing the Guardian, she just notd it was only a paper in the UK that covered this and not in the USA where it mattered. I only knew about this because i was British, so I have access to the Guardian, and the Metro.
First of all, "pro-life" is a propaganda term. They are not pro anything; they are anti-sex. Being against abortion is a way to feel morally superior to others without every lifting a finger to help another human being. The right wing always reserves its "compassion" for things that can neither think nor feel, whether it's a brain-dead individual or a zygote.
@1clackie Abortion, in my opinion, in not murder. If the thing is an inch tall it's not alive. The notion that life begins at the "moment of conception", is simply nonsense.
@JImmy4336 Jimmy fetuses are not one inch, zygotes are, I think we( as a society) have to set a certain date for when abortion can take place, and when it cannot, if not then it will be gattaca all over again, eugenics, down syndrome babies will not get born, for the sake of convenience, because we live in a society in which whatever is convenient is right and if something is even hard to do we chose to quit and find some easier alternative route, a route that may deprive some few of a future.
@guanaesantonio I don't think the whole specific date thing can work. I think the choice should rest with the women. If you're against abortion, don't have one. The government should not tell a women what to do with her own body. That's her choice and hers alone. If the baby is going to have down syndrome, the parents have the right to say, lets not bring that into the world. What good does having a down syndrome child be born do? Most die in early childhood anyway.
@NorseMariner7 You jerkoff don't you, those don't get names so that is that, but if people go sticking their genitals into other people without condoms and without the pill, and then find themselves pregnant are you not responsible for this ejaculation or you just toss it into the gutter of what could have been, depriving something of existence is horrible under mostly any circumstances.
that's nice, i can do a 50 men gangbang with creampie action, and abort triplets until i have no uterus left...and my abortions will still be none of your business.
@galerouth It's not your abortions, you are not getting aborted, your son is getting aborted, you do not have the right to abort him, deprive him of existence, deprive him of sadness and sorrow or happiness perhaps, what we have to be is responsible for what we do, if you chose to have a 50 men gangbang, fine have fucking fun, but if you don't use a condom or the pill or whatever else, at least be responsible for what you did, don't throw it away, you lose your honor, just try to think.
@TommyTurntables1 Oh so you know aramaic or hebrew, perhaps a little latin, tommy try to think this through do you really wan't to kill your son, give him in to adoption, try to power through and raise him into the great man he is or the great girl she is, don't back off and quit, remember there are always happy mistakes.
@Piriathy Thats b.s. They are completely twisting the issue. No one would be punished for losing a child, when it is an act of God. There is a clear cut difference between miscarriages, still born, and abortions. The first two are natural tragedies, the third is a murder.
@galerouth Doesn't matter what god thinks about it, what matters is what we think about it, do you really want to deprive your children of this beautiful existence, because not existing sucks, you know why, cause you don't fucking exist. Try to raise your child into a great man or woman, try to teach him important fundamentals so he can try an change the world somehow, if you can't raise him or her give them to adoption, let destiny guide them to greatness or failure, but don't deny them trying.
GOD I'm so tired of the fringe religious ppl trying to deny women and families their rights. The majority of ppl in the world who have laws regarding abortion state that a person is a person ONLY ONCE THEY ARE BORN. It goes against our freedom loving principals to take away abortion rights from women and families and it can be harmful to population and stability.
@Piriathy Most countries don't, you see a nine months old baby is still a baby, you can rip him out of the womb any time and he'll be fine, as is an eight month old baby, a woman does not have the right to abort her son or daughter, because they are separate bodies, separate, not together, do we really want to be that convenient and deny living for those we see as unfit, to try to account to our mistakes by killing them, give them up for adoption, or man up and raise them.
The Guardian is a suprisingly good publication. It has Charlie Brooker as a collumist :) Also even here in Australia most poeple I know use it as their world news paper.
The only reason prolifers hate birth control and abortions reguardless of circumstance is because they all enjoy hearing a 10 year old girl had to give birth to their rape baby.
@pistolpete1st After reading some comments on this video, I might have to agree with you. Some of these Midieval idiots would rather a lump of tissue's rights are protected than the living breathing women.
@AvaPozen Midieval, medieval you idiot, and you may forget, but you too as I too was once a lump of tissue, as were we all, don't forget that a woman's life may be done, her potential for greatness may one day end and she will settle down, but this simple lump of tissue may grow and flourish into a George Washington or a Susan B Anthony, the mother will grow proud of her son or daughter, of her lump of tissue.
@pistolpete1st That is one case in which abortion is totally okay, but if we give the right to abort to grown women who were to drunk to care and to grown men who were also to drunk to care and had unprotected sex, then we will be giving a easy way out for irresponsible people, who will kill their son for convenience to maintain their easy lives without dealing with the consequences of what they have done. Don't be a radical, most anti abortion people are nuts, not all.
Right now, I'm on my period. One, maybe two eggs with the potential for human life will wither up and the cells will die. Do you want to hold a funeral for it? Do you want to throw me in jail for not turning it into a human being? Do you want every guy who masturbates to be a criminal for not making his semen into a baby? These people are ridiculous. They are truly braindead.
@lastscandinaviangirl Your right eggs are not people, and your right no one should cry for them, because they are not people, but they have the potential to be, they have the potential to be great people, or terrible people, let us try not to deprive the world of this potential, at least if someone is going to abort, abort for good reasons, i.e danger to the mother or a rape or incest case, not because they got drunk and had the kid.
If you want to talk about constitutional rights of the baby and mother it might do this show great credit to explain PERSONHOOD.
How personhood is legally recognized, what the pre-reqs are for being recognized, what limits there are on being recognized as a person, etc...
That is the only issue that really matter in trying to use a legal measure to achieve this aim. Please stop with the silly arguments that stray from this-lock up all women.
1. Goldman Sachs try to issue Islamic Bonds ( Sukuk ). The issue was not approved because the bond's structure is fraudulent & does not meet the Shariah's standards.
@july7nyc Animals are people, we are animals. And let me ask you a question, a hypothetical question, if you go to a pond and see a little "parade" of tadpoles, do you squish them with your fists until they die, probably no, because that would be cruel would it not so why do something, albeit with much less intensity, against zygotes.
Because life can be way worse then death......especially if your being born into a life full of hate, and misery like some children.
What about rape?
What about incest?
What about kids having kids?
And I really dislike when people say "What if that baby would of cured cancer" OKAY well "What if that baby grows up to be a Serial Killer" what's your point?
A women should be able to decide what she wants to do with her body.
@joi12345678 Those cases you cited, an abortion would be warranted, but should they be in every case, such as young adults having kids, why not give the kids to adoption. Plus let us think through it, with proper guidance from a mother a baby is much more likely to not be a serial killer, not only because a minuscule portion of the population is, but because the mother taught him well, deprive women of that, a chance to instill proper moral and ethical values into their children.
I don't get pro-lifers, many an animal eats its own young anyway. If God wanted abortion to seen as wrong why would he surround us with much more brutal examples of treating babies in nature?
What we do in abortion is nowhere near the brutality of God's own creations.
Not that God exists but if you believe in him, I can't see the argument.
I don't get pro-lifers, many an animal eats its own young anyway. If God wanted abortion to seen as wrong why would he surround us with much more brutal examples of treating babies in nature?
What we do in abortion is nowhere near the brutality of God's own creations.
Not that God exists but if you believe in him, I can't see the argument.
@SuperBenzid Benzid Most animals eat the babies of others, and plus why the fuck should we " people" be following the examples of lions and other beasts, aren't we more evolved then that, your starting to think like a baby benzid.
It's an "opinion" that makes living in a society possible. You can't live your life by obeying science only. I mean then life of a human being has basically no worth
In a strictly biological sense you are ofc right, but that doesn't mean shit. So a newborn is basically a parasite too? It can't survive without a someone that feeds him and takes care of him
abortion through natural herbs been known for thousands of years, and still societies have prospered and disappeared, so don't give me that BS---there would always be women who wants to have babies, and the women who doesn't shouldn't be force into reproductive slavery because of your BS beliefs.
dummy, human life, like all life on this planet has no intrinsic value ---it's subjective only.
sigh, how is a newborn a parasite according to symbiosis? explain your pseudo-science bs.
Yes, and abortion through a hard punch in the stomach has been around since the dawn of humanity, doesn't mean anything. And don't get me wrong, I'm pro-choice, but I do have moral standards, and reducing the significance of abortion isn't the right way to go. It's usually a hard choice and if you tell a woman about to have an abortion (a lot of them), that abortion isn't a big deal cause their baby is just a parasite she will slap you or kick you in the balls.
funny, the act of feticide is not abortion, has nothing to do w/ a woman's will an legal rights to her end pregnancy and has nothing to do with the rest of your bullshit comments.
i'm pro-choice and i'm old enough to see morality for what it is: an opinion, and "reducing the significance of abortion isn't the right way to go" is yours, but not mine--if you knew the science behind it.
a fetus is not a baby according the human development, so i doubt you are pro-choice for women.
And what science behind it? It's about emotional attachment. You will NEVER win anyone over with your statements. I guess you never had a close friend who went through abortion?
@galerouth The science, what science, your talking philosophy my friend not science, science works with raw data your making a logical conjecture on the nature of morality that is quite wrong.
@galerouth Your old enough to be naive and unintelligent, morality is not simply an opinion, it is a multitude of opinions that help us survive thrive and respect others, it helps us deal with the world and pick the adequate choice that will help us live in society and communion with others and ourselves. Morality balances our inner beliefs with the beliefs of society. All your arguments are undermined by your own arrogance, your point of view squandered by your incompetence and guile.
And I can see that we have a sociopath in making. Yes, life is subjective, but this is how monsters and mentally ill people think. I doubt that a lot of people who rly think that human life has no "intristic" value could function in a society, since if life and morality are subjective so are the laws (which are usually based on morality). Anyway, not all parasites are endoparasites (fetus). They need a host (mother) to survive and are fed by what she produces (milk)
really, you are calling me sociopath-- when you are agreeing with me and can't prove me wrong on anything? lol.
"this is how monsters and mentally ill people think" or people who are REALISTS and not try to romanticized illogical-bullshit, like you do.
"I doubt that a lot of people who rly think that human life has no "intristic" value could function in a society" really, you are telling me that you are going drop everything to stop so-called "mob justice" in guatemala?
I'm not agreeing with you. The only part where I agree is that I'm pro-choice. And that doesn't make you a sociopath. I'm talking about how you say that life has only subjective worth. I can't prove you wrong, because in theory you are right, but we don't live in a theoretical world. You are a textbook cynic, bravo. That rly makes you life better. No I'm not going to drop everything and help those in guatemala
"I can't prove you wrong, because in theory you are right, but we don't live in a theoretical world."
wrong, do you care about the bug you killed in your kitchen? if the answer is no, then life having value, is subjective---but in reality, anything being of value IS subjective.
so how does that make me, cynic or a cold person? it seems that you are trying your best to keep your rose-colored glasses on, and not accepting the fact you were lied to, all your life.
@galerouth Jainists care, there are people that care, and if you were a bug you would care, I honestly care for the bug I killed in the kitchen, in fact I try not to kill bugs, I throw them outside, as I believe xGapex does, people during certain times can empathize and sympathize with others I'm not sure you can.
Know why? Cause I want to make my own country better and so I'm studying to become a criminal investigator. So at least I want to do smtng, while you are sitting at you computer or at home thinking how better you are for seeing the world in a cold scientific light and just shake your had at he injustices of the world. That helps everyone. Cynicism NEVER helped the world and never will.
nice cop-out, "i think life has value, but i gives a shit--when life is being destroyed outside of america--where my constitutional rights means shit; but having rose-colored glasses and wanting to force women into reproductive slavery (unconstitutional) to keep their unwanted pregnancies against their will--doesn't make me a fascist at all, but a better, moral person. "
I don't actually live in america, so yes In fact I DO care,care but know that I don't have the skill or knowledge to help anyone, and I know that America is screwed up and I'd never live there. And for the last time,I'm pro-choice.Your theories on why I'm in fact not pro.choice (based on me not using the proper words of my secondary language) don't concern me.And the point of kleptoparasit. is,that parasitism doesn't need to involve taking food-which is a simpilistic view
care to DO what? you just said that you weren't going to drop everything to save actual people from dying-- so it's clear why you would be a pro-life, schizophrenic fascist against abortions, that are none of business and outside of your control.
who said a baby was a parasite? i said fetus, there are no babies in the womb, that's an oxymoron and an misnomer of the human development chart.
kleptoparasitism, DOES involves the taking of food and with nesting material.
Care about their lives, but won't drop everything, cause I know I can't help anyone at the moment. You just keep hammering the same things and think yo uare smart cause of it. At the moment I'm going to school in hopes I WILL SAVE PEOPLE IN THE FUTURE. Just dropping everything and start slamming your head against the wall will not help anyone, you need the proper skills and knowledge to help and at the moment I'm getting them, I assume the same can't be said for your ass
And again with the baby stuff, you know very well when I mean a newborn and when I mean a fetus, but you are just like a lof of internet douchebags and play dumb, just that they can feel better about themselves and to help them (only in their own head) win the argument. Ok your FETUS is a parasite theory is wrong, cause of the previous mentioned points. And yes kleptopar. includes taking food, but it isn't limited to it
again, you never said anything to disprove a fetus was a parasite-- you brought up dna, which is moot to the behavior zygote being a foreign object, that invaded a woman's uterus, hijacked her immune system, and steal nutrients, and causes harm.
so try harder, than kleptoparasitism.
"an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it"
Those 3 points disproved it. Your body wants it there. A sperm by itself doesn't do shit (that's the foreign object), it need the help of the body itself to survive, no parasite works like that.The relationship is much closer to symbiosis, since the body wants him there. The body itself is doeing verything it can to keep it healthy. Why? Because the fetus makes possible that which every body strives for - reproduction.
the body wanting it there--- wrong, i believe that's faulty evolution, because the zygote (foreign object) doesn't need to invade a woman's immune system, if the woman's body wanted to be pregnant--- that still doesn't disprove the fetus being parasite.
"an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it"
@galerouth A zygote is not a foreign object bro, the sperm is, a zygote is the product of the sperm and the egg it's not foreign to the body dumbass, a women also gains a great part of the nourishment, most women grow chubbier and healthier during pregnancy.
The body always wants the fetus there, and (as is right) it doesn't give a shit what the person thinks. And since you like hanging on to words (instead of the points made) let me correct the previous post and say the mother/fetus relatinship is closer to mutualistic symbiosis (so you won't start ranting that parasitism is a form of sybiosis)
relationship between two species of plants or animals in which one benefits at the expense of the other. britannica com-parasitism
prove the fetus/woman relationship is mutualistic...because it that were the case-- then pregnancy osteoporosis won't exist, would it?
"an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it"
You already quoted the free dictionary before. Ok, lets see. The woman gives the fetus food and risks her health, while the fetus LETS HER PROCREATE. Which is the ultimate goal of every body, that is the proof and I wrote it before. Please tell me what is more important, it's AS important as keeping the "host" alive (could say even more important). It's like eating. It's essential, but can be dangerous (choking for instance)
again, the woman isn't "giving" her nutrients away, and it's not food.
"HCG nteracts with the LHCG receptor ... causing it to secrete the hormone progesterone. Progesterone enriches the uterus with a thick lining of blood vessels and capillaries so that it can sustain the growing fetus. Due to its highly-negative charge, hCG may repel the immune cells of the mother, protecting the fetus during the first trimester." HCG wiki
like i said before...the fetus is stealing nutrients.
@galerouth Maternity is a natural process all women go through, all females do, it ensured your existence and it ensures the existence of every single living thing in the planet, the baby is not foreign to the body so it cannot even be considered a parasite, it is not some parasite that entered the body and fed off of it, it is a product of the body, of the coupling of the sperm and the egg. This is natural.
"while the fetus LETS HER PROCREATE" the fetus not being in her pussy, means what? and how does that disproves a fetus being a parasite by it's behavior?
"it's AS important as keeping the "host" alive (could say even more important)" and a parasite keeping the host, means what? that doesn't disproves a fetus being a parasite.
the bot fly is as a larva is a parasite, that doesn't kill it's host.
@galerouth Nonetheless the baby still relies on the woman to survive it doesn't only feed off the women, it requires her well being for his well being.
It involves as you said nesting material and EVERYTHING ELSE that is stolen. It's just like parasitism in general which includes, but isn't limited to the taking of food (by force). I actually didn't say, it doesn't involve food, I just gave it as an example that not all parasitism is taking food, and you yourself just admitted I am right. And brood parasitism proves that "taking" isn't even needed for a behaviour to be considered parasitic
"I just gave it as an example that not all parasitism is taking food, & Uyourself just admitted I am right." for right now, since you didn't/can't prove that a fetus is not parasite, i guess you won at your red herring attempt. congrats.
but we both know a fetus fits this definition..."an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it"
The first part yes, the second part, the "the host doesn't benefit" part is WRONG and you know it. The primary goal of a species is to procreate, there is NO GOAL THAT IS MORE IMPORTANT, it's as important as being able to live. Even if a humans mind doesn't agree. Life w/o this "parasite" is impossible, for which other parasite can that be said? This is the 4th reason why a fetus isn't a parasite, but you just ignore them and say I can't disprove it over and over
symbiosis has nothing to do with the species, just a close relationship between two to a few organisms...and YOU KNOW THAT--SO YOUR POINT IS MOOT.
"an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it"
thefreedictionary com/parasite
THE FETUS IS A PARASITE, next time try to debunk with actual scientific knowledge, not an opinions.
Yes, you said that it's a parasite, so you described the relationship between a mother and a fetus as a parasitic biological interaction (one organism benefits and the other one is harmed), while I say it's more of a mutualistic biological interaction and said why. Yes the "host" can be harmed, but what he gets in return is FAR, FAR, FAR more important/outweighs it.
@galerouth a fetus is of the same species as the mother, homo sapiens, thus it cannot be a parasite, a human fetus will also leave the mother, a parasite usually won't, furthermore fetuses only stay attached to the mother for a short period of time, later floating around in the amniotic sac, a parasite stays attached by some part of its body to the host, a fetus doesn't fit the description honey, you lost.
And if you actually know ANYTHING about science, you know that it's actually YOU WHO HAS TO PROVE that it's a parasite. And must prove wrong any ideas/theories that say otherwise
zygote doesn't enters the woman's body, it was formed there-- the dna doesn't matter, but the WAY the organism behaves with its host; the zygote invaded a woman's uterus with its trophoblast cells, hijacked her immune system with Neurokinin B & hcg, and steals her nutrients and cause harm.
@galerouth same species not a parasite, you didn't, its the same species, it causes little harm to the mother for it steals a small part of the mother nutrients not all just a small part, and then it leaves. not a parasite.
@guanaesantonio Do you even know the definition of those words? If you did you know that they are right wing.
If you knew that the right wing is notorious for projection then you would know that calling them out is a bit of a task when you have people like you try to blur the line to defend them.
I'd rather live in my "romanticized illogical-bullsit" filled world, where I think that human life has some kind of meaning than in your cold narcissistic cynical world. And I hate malls and shops. Yes, I'll hear about these things and move on. You know why? Cause no matter what you do, there is little chance things these things will stop.
@galerouth Subjective you cannot define something physical as subjective, you describe ideas as subjective, you can describe ideologies as subjective, not physical objects, your point on guatemala makes no sense, you have some of the worst debating or conversing skills I have ever seen and you grow less and less coherent as this discussion goes by.
no, you are not going to stop "mob-justice" guatemala, they are killing innocent people w/o a trial, & "the church" is over there doing nothing about it, nor u r going to stop tribal killing in africa, the religious killings asia and the middle-east...what you are going to do is: compartmentalize just like everyone else and go to the mall.
so, yes, realists like me can function in society, where the truth about human life, like the life of that bug you took, has no intrinsic value.
@galerouth You or her, whatever, has no sense of empathy, has no sense of sympathy, is largely pseudo intellectual and pretentious, probably young and self absorbed, and thinks they understand a shred of the world when they have to understand that nothing has intrinsic value, that no one can see the world and comprehend it without morality or understanding, and does not understand that if we all make an effort we can stop mob justice in guatemala, we can stop a few tribal killing in africa.
"since if life and morality are subjective so are the laws which are usually based on morality" duh, welcome to the real world, child.
"They need a host (mother) to survive and are fed by what she produces (milk)"
really, baby =/= parasite, because it doesn't take the milk by force, the woman give her milk to the it and has the choice not to....unlike a fetus, when as a zygote invaded a woman's uterus by its Trophoblast cells.
and it goes for your "kid being a parasite" fallacy.
Lol, "Welcome to the real world"?! You usually say that when someone has a realization or smtng similar.
And anyway parasitism doesn't necessarily involve taking food by force or taking food at all. We have kleptoparasitism which is stealing things from other animals (not just food) and brood parasitism.
And I can see that you are very proud of your learned knowledge, so let me return to ur first statement. There are no variants (as far as I know) of parasitism which say that the offspring have a parasitic relationship with their "parents". So if we go back to pure theory your statement is wrong. Anyway, have a nice life and I hope your depression and cynicism (or when your narcissistic brain realizes that you are a piece of shit just like us) doesn't lead u to suicide,bye
so i'm wrong about the human fetus being parasite because the theory is not common?
"it is also possible for a symbiotic relationship to exist between two organisms of the same species."
answers com/topic/symbiosis —–Gale's Science of Everyday Things:
Symbiosis
"an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it"
And you are saying that my baby is a parasite theory is wrong because you don't know of parasites that don't take food by force, which is kinda the same thing, only that you rely on your own knowledge, while I rely on research, scientific knowledge and classification. Yes, I know that parasitism between members of the same species exists, but don't read abbreviated research articles. They don't mention OFFSPRING as a parasite of the parent.
Parasitism - A form of symbiosis in which one organism (called parasite) BENEFITS at the expense of another organism usually of different species (called host)
biology-online /dictionary /Parasitism
An intimate association between organisms of two or more kinds; especially : one in which a parasite obtains benefits from a host which it usually injures
You take one similarity and run with it. That's like me saying - fish live in the sea, dolphins live in the see, some fish feed on other fish, dolphins feed on fish - ergo dolphins are fish. 1. There are no mammal parasites, 2. There are no endoparasites that enter the body with only half of the genetic code and the body provides the second half, so the body actually MAKES IT , which is unlike any kind of parasite
"1. There are no mammal parasites," wrongs, embryos, fetuses and parasitic twins.
2.no endoparasites that enter the body w/ only half of the genetic code & the body provides the second half.
zygote doesn't enters the woman's body, it was formed there-- the dna doesn't matter, but the WAY the organism behaves with its host; the zygote invaded a woman's uterus with its trophoblast cells, hijacked her immune system with Neurokinin B & hcg, and steals her nutrients and cause harm.
3. The fetus doesn't steal food or take it by force, the body provides food because it wants too, I'm not an expert in biology but I'd say that's how it is. I doubt that bodies provide things like amniotic fluid (to help the "parasite survive and grow stronger)
@galerouth How is the zygote fucking foreign dumbass. It's made by the woman's body. A conjunction of the woman's egg and the man's sperm, it's not a parasite.
@galerouth Poisoning through natural herbs has been known for centuries, that doesn't mean it is right to poison someone, galerouth we as humans cannot, no matter how logical or detached we are, have no morality, we have to give value to life all life alike, because nothing has intrinsic value, we give it value, and we have to procreate too, for in that manner we guarantee the survival of the species and the maintenance of our somewhat rare form of intelligent life.
@galerouth I just used science to prove you wrong, and furthermore what you said about morality being an opinion is not true, because morality is not just one opinion it is several, several ideological frameworks, which we use to adapt and comprehend reality, furthermore you did not use science to contradict us you used philosophy, for the study of morality does not fall withing the reals of scientific research, perhaps neurosciences has a small study of the parts of the brain involved in it.
@galerouth A woman would not like her son to be described as a parasite galerouth, second of all a son is not a parasite, for a parasite derives lone benefit in the symbiotic relationship between two parties, no a fetus and a mother have a mutualistic relationship of which they both derive benefit, not even that, a fetus cannot fit into symbiosis.
These Conservatives and Christians sure care a whole a lot about fetuses, yet they seem to love to send people to war to kill other die and kill other people. What a bunch of fucked up people.
US is close to being done -- it was a good run while it lasted. California, Oregon & Washigton, you should cecede from the Union & form an awesome new country -- might even get BC and Alaska to join. Together it would be a bigger country than Canada -- hell, CA is already bigger. Time to breakup these unworkable confederations into smaller more easily governed & wealthier entitities.
I'm from Indianapolis, but I haven't lived there since 2003. I'm shocked that a woman there was prosecuted for having a stillborn baby. I didn't know until I saw this video.
@scottandrewhutchins I don't agree with corporations being people, but that said, using your logic, an animal SHOULD have more rights than a fetus. A living, breathing, feeling creature that feels pain and fear should be granted more rights than something that is not even fully alive and that is incapable of feeling fear or pain.
We need to protect the rights of the sperm and the egg, if someone kicks you in the crotch thats attempted manslaughter.
We went from 2billion people at the start of 1900 and are at nearly 7billion now...imagine if we keep this up? You can talk about rates flattening out but reality doesnt agree with you (See previous sentence)
They're trying to protect fetuses right? beings without memory, without relationships, friends, nothing, oh gee, it's terrible to kill fetuses, it's evil! On the other hand, let's kill a bunch of people who actually have people that loved them waiting at home hoping they'll be ok in war and such.
missag9 1 week ago
2:15 Reminds me of George Carlin.
MenwithHill 1 week ago in playlist The Young Turks Show December 20, 2011
JUST CURIOUS, WHY IS IT SO TRAMATIC TO HAVE A MISCARRIAGE, IT'S JUST A ZYGOTE RIGHT?
carmel350 2 weeks ago
@carmel350 It isn't tramatic when it is a zygote though. That early in the pregnancy you don't even know you're pregnant as you wouldn't of even missed your period yet. It's only tramatic when it has become a fetus and you decide to birth it. It's horrible to put so much effort and love into your plan for your future baby only to have a sponatius abortion.
What is your point?
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@IKillBabyKittensLOL DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT A ZYGOTE IS? IT SEEMS FUNNY THAT IF YOU WANT YOUR BABY AND THEN YOU MISSCARRY IT'S SO TRAMATIC, BUT IF YOU CHOOSE ABORTION YOU JUST CALL IT A PROCEEDURE AND APPARENTLY HAVE NO FEELINGS, IN FACT YOUR RELIEVED! SOUNDS LIKE SOME KIND OF WIERD MIND CONTROL!
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"A woman has the right over her body as long it doesn't carry another being - her only biological reason for existence."
Holy fuck isn't that a telling statement
therealritasue 3 weeks ago
Abortion if too be made has to be made only during exceptional cases, i.e, rape or the baby is a danger to the mother, if a parent cannot raise the child give him in for adoption, without these restrictions in some time we will be aborting down syndrome babies or anyone with any retardation or defect, parents who want boys will abort girls, people will not be held responsible for there mistakes and will thus find an easy way out, abortion.
guanaesantonio 4 weeks ago
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you cant control babies that don't implant, persecuting them for that would be like persecuting a doctor after he did everything to keep his patient alive, but couldn't. persecuting them for abortion would be like persecuting a doctor for stabbing his patient
1clackie 1 month ago
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you cant control babies that don't implant, persecuting them for that would be like persecuting a doctor after he did everything to keep his patient alive, but couldn't. persecuting them for abortion would be like persecuting a doctor for stabbing his patient
1clackie 1 month ago
you cant control babies that don't implant, persecuting them for that would be like persecuting a doctor after he did everything to keep his patient alive, but couldn't. persecuting them for abortion would be like persecuting a doctor for stabbing his patient
1clackie 1 month ago
the only difference between a zygote and a born baby is time
1clackie 1 month ago
the only difference between a zygote and a born baby is time
1clackie 1 month ago
PRO CHOICE all the way!!!!!!
AllThingsGeek1 1 month ago
Ana, it's BALD-faced, not bold-faced.
greg55666 1 month ago
how come all these conservative groups always have either "USA" or "America" in their name?
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Oh fuck no do NOT get rid of my pill >:( Or any birth control for that matter. In fact, isn't the availability of birth control one of the big arguments against abortion if the sex was consensual?
TheCreeperhunter 1 month ago 6
@TheCreeperhunter Right-wingers don't care about silly things like "logic" and "fairness."
BigBurkhart 2 weeks ago
the guardian is a brilliant news paper, it is pretty much the only one I bother reading these days
elPominator 1 month ago 5
@elPominator She wasn't bashing the Guardian, she just notd it was only a paper in the UK that covered this and not in the USA where it mattered. I only knew about this because i was British, so I have access to the Guardian, and the Metro.
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@wizzrobe301 I know she wasn't bashing it, I just felt like throwing my opinion in.
TBH I actually HAVE to read it as part of my social policy degree
elPominator 1 month ago
Wait, so if a mother dies giving birth do we lock up the infant for murder?
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Pretty soon they are going to try to make it illegal to have a period, OMG!
chevon1920 2 months ago 2
First of all, "pro-life" is a propaganda term. They are not pro anything; they are anti-sex. Being against abortion is a way to feel morally superior to others without every lifting a finger to help another human being. The right wing always reserves its "compassion" for things that can neither think nor feel, whether it's a brain-dead individual or a zygote.
bluesenshi 2 months ago
The anti-abortion movement should be called the anti-women movement.
JImmy4336 2 months ago 11
@JImmy4336 because everyone should have the right to kill their child
1clackie 1 month ago 2
@1clackie Abortion, in my opinion, in not murder. If the thing is an inch tall it's not alive. The notion that life begins at the "moment of conception", is simply nonsense.
JImmy4336 1 month ago
@JImmy4336 Jimmy fetuses are not one inch, zygotes are, I think we( as a society) have to set a certain date for when abortion can take place, and when it cannot, if not then it will be gattaca all over again, eugenics, down syndrome babies will not get born, for the sake of convenience, because we live in a society in which whatever is convenient is right and if something is even hard to do we chose to quit and find some easier alternative route, a route that may deprive some few of a future.
guanaesantonio 4 weeks ago
@guanaesantonio I don't think the whole specific date thing can work. I think the choice should rest with the women. If you're against abortion, don't have one. The government should not tell a women what to do with her own body. That's her choice and hers alone. If the baby is going to have down syndrome, the parents have the right to say, lets not bring that into the world. What good does having a down syndrome child be born do? Most die in early childhood anyway.
JImmy4336 4 weeks ago
As George Carlin once said: Not every ejaculation deserves a name
NorseMariner7 2 months ago 2
@NorseMariner7 You jerkoff don't you, those don't get names so that is that, but if people go sticking their genitals into other people without condoms and without the pill, and then find themselves pregnant are you not responsible for this ejaculation or you just toss it into the gutter of what could have been, depriving something of existence is horrible under mostly any circumstances.
guanaesantonio 4 weeks ago
Life begins at conception, Sperm and Eggs are worthless unless they unite, nobody thinks that Life begins at Contraception.
In All but a few very extreme circumstances, the Pregnancy was preventable (via contraceptives, or birth control) or they are non life threatening.
ChannelGameshow 2 months ago
@ChannelGameshow
that's nice, i can do a 50 men gangbang with creampie action, and abort triplets until i have no uterus left...and my abortions will still be none of your business.
find something else to worry about.
galerouth 2 months ago
@galerouth Murder cannot be allowed.
Your saying that as long as someone were to kill 3 innocent people you dont know you would be alright with it
ChannelGameshow 1 month ago
@ChannelGameshow
abortion is not murder, the unlawful killing with intent.
when did i talk about murder being allow anyways?
galerouth 1 month ago
@galerouth It's not your abortions, you are not getting aborted, your son is getting aborted, you do not have the right to abort him, deprive him of existence, deprive him of sadness and sorrow or happiness perhaps, what we have to be is responsible for what we do, if you chose to have a 50 men gangbang, fine have fucking fun, but if you don't use a condom or the pill or whatever else, at least be responsible for what you did, don't throw it away, you lose your honor, just try to think.
guanaesantonio 4 weeks ago
JESUS told me that ProLifers go directly to hell, JESUS said that those people don't represent him or his teachings :-)
TommyTurntables1 2 months ago
@TommyTurntables1 Oh so you know aramaic or hebrew, perhaps a little latin, tommy try to think this through do you really wan't to kill your son, give him in to adoption, try to power through and raise him into the great man he is or the great girl she is, don't back off and quit, remember there are always happy mistakes.
guanaesantonio 4 weeks ago
We're prosecuting women who give birth to still borns??? Jesus, who are we? Saudi Arabia???
Piriathy 2 months ago
@Piriathy Thats b.s. They are completely twisting the issue. No one would be punished for losing a child, when it is an act of God. There is a clear cut difference between miscarriages, still born, and abortions. The first two are natural tragedies, the third is a murder.
TheExecutiveDecision 2 months ago
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dummy, miscarriages are abortions i.e. spontaneous abortion.
so how is abortion, murder the unlawful killing with intent---when it's legal and your mythical god supported it?
that was done by a priest, in god's name, in his holly temple!
the 1984 niv footnote of numbers 5:11-31 explained what "to thy thigh to rot, thy belly to swell" meant:
Numbers 5:21 Or causes you to have a miscarrying womb and barrenness” to CAUSE a miscarrying womb IS an abortion.
galerouth 2 months ago
@galerouth Doesn't matter what god thinks about it, what matters is what we think about it, do you really want to deprive your children of this beautiful existence, because not existing sucks, you know why, cause you don't fucking exist. Try to raise your child into a great man or woman, try to teach him important fundamentals so he can try an change the world somehow, if you can't raise him or her give them to adoption, let destiny guide them to greatness or failure, but don't deny them trying.
guanaesantonio 4 weeks ago
GOD I'm so tired of the fringe religious ppl trying to deny women and families their rights. The majority of ppl in the world who have laws regarding abortion state that a person is a person ONLY ONCE THEY ARE BORN. It goes against our freedom loving principals to take away abortion rights from women and families and it can be harmful to population and stability.
Piriathy 2 months ago
@Piriathy Most countries don't, you see a nine months old baby is still a baby, you can rip him out of the womb any time and he'll be fine, as is an eight month old baby, a woman does not have the right to abort her son or daughter, because they are separate bodies, separate, not together, do we really want to be that convenient and deny living for those we see as unfit, to try to account to our mistakes by killing them, give them up for adoption, or man up and raise them.
guanaesantonio 4 weeks ago
The Guardian is a suprisingly good publication. It has Charlie Brooker as a collumist :) Also even here in Australia most poeple I know use it as their world news paper.
Nexius8 2 months ago
Being a reich winger is a mental disorder.
The only reason prolifers hate birth control and abortions reguardless of circumstance is because they all enjoy hearing a 10 year old girl had to give birth to their rape baby.
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@pistolpete1st After reading some comments on this video, I might have to agree with you. Some of these Midieval idiots would rather a lump of tissue's rights are protected than the living breathing women.
AvaPozen 2 months ago 3
@AvaPozen Midieval, medieval you idiot, and you may forget, but you too as I too was once a lump of tissue, as were we all, don't forget that a woman's life may be done, her potential for greatness may one day end and she will settle down, but this simple lump of tissue may grow and flourish into a George Washington or a Susan B Anthony, the mother will grow proud of her son or daughter, of her lump of tissue.
guanaesantonio 4 weeks ago
@guanaesantonio Are you trying to make fking point by going into hypotheticals? Go hug a Bible.
AvaPozen 4 weeks ago
@pistolpete1st That is one case in which abortion is totally okay, but if we give the right to abort to grown women who were to drunk to care and to grown men who were also to drunk to care and had unprotected sex, then we will be giving a easy way out for irresponsible people, who will kill their son for convenience to maintain their easy lives without dealing with the consequences of what they have done. Don't be a radical, most anti abortion people are nuts, not all.
guanaesantonio 4 weeks ago
@lastscandinaviangirl They need to bring back the breed don't bleed movement. Google it, it's the perfect parody.
bubbleypixie 2 months ago
Right now, I'm on my period. One, maybe two eggs with the potential for human life will wither up and the cells will die. Do you want to hold a funeral for it? Do you want to throw me in jail for not turning it into a human being? Do you want every guy who masturbates to be a criminal for not making his semen into a baby? These people are ridiculous. They are truly braindead.
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@lastscandinaviangirl Your right eggs are not people, and your right no one should cry for them, because they are not people, but they have the potential to be, they have the potential to be great people, or terrible people, let us try not to deprive the world of this potential, at least if someone is going to abort, abort for good reasons, i.e danger to the mother or a rape or incest case, not because they got drunk and had the kid.
guanaesantonio 4 weeks ago
Your arguments are legally ridiculous.
If you want to talk about constitutional rights of the baby and mother it might do this show great credit to explain PERSONHOOD.
How personhood is legally recognized, what the pre-reqs are for being recognized, what limits there are on being recognized as a person, etc...
That is the only issue that really matter in trying to use a legal measure to achieve this aim. Please stop with the silly arguments that stray from this-lock up all women.
PERSONHOOD
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Goldman Sachs & Islamic Bond
1. Goldman Sachs try to issue Islamic Bonds ( Sukuk ). The issue was not approved because the bond's structure is fraudulent & does not meet the Shariah's standards.
2. Reference :
Businessweek - December 21, 2011
Bloomberg - December 21,2011
3. Goldman Sachs CEO, Lyold Blankfein is Jew
Stevie68000 2 months ago
@Stevie68000
The Reich Wing & Anti-American ties
1 Anti-Semites
2 Fascist commies
3Supports Failstreet outsourcing jobs and speculations, just not any jews
4Supports and aid religious terrorism
5Stevie68000 is a reich winger
pistolpete1st 2 months ago
@pistolpete1st Your starting to talk like them pistol, fascist commies is literally probably impossible.
guanaesantonio 4 weeks ago
ana is pretty here
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OK so now that corporations are people and they want zygotes to be people, they better make animals people too.
july7nyc 2 months ago 2
@july7nyc I won't be surprised if there is an amendment to have anyone over 18 is not a "legal" person.
startreking2007 2 months ago
@july7nyc Animals are people, we are animals. And let me ask you a question, a hypothetical question, if you go to a pond and see a little "parade" of tadpoles, do you squish them with your fists until they die, probably no, because that would be cruel would it not so why do something, albeit with much less intensity, against zygotes.
guanaesantonio 4 weeks ago
all those fucking woman serial killers...there everywhere!!!!
DrBoneskin 2 months ago in playlist More videos from TheYoungTurks
@EcurbSSJ I figured you'd have something to say about this.
BrianKGarver 2 months ago
If you have to lie to a bunch of people in a democracy about what they are voting on, how good is what you're doing really?
DisturbedHavok 2 months ago
Cenk at @ 05:30 lol his laugh
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@huizenvoorjou um, the video is only 4:29...
july7nyc 2 months ago
@july7nyc I mean at 3:30 lol
huizenvoorjou 2 months ago
@huizenvoorjou OK! Lol!
july7nyc 2 months ago
I think abortions should be allowed.
Because life can be way worse then death......especially if your being born into a life full of hate, and misery like some children.
What about rape?
What about incest?
What about kids having kids?
And I really dislike when people say "What if that baby would of cured cancer" OKAY well "What if that baby grows up to be a Serial Killer" what's your point?
A women should be able to decide what she wants to do with her body.
joi12345678 2 months ago 11
@joi12345678
Rape: Why should one murder someone for the crimes of thier father?
Incest: How is this a " hard case "
Kids having Kids: They took that chance having unprotected Sex.
1,300,000 a year saved - 7 killed by one serial killer from that.... net gain.
Also, people who almost were aborted have grown up to do great things.
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@ChannelGameshow
So you want to protect the rights of Zygotes?
Then men shouldn't be allowed to kill off sperm.......AT ALL.
And if a child has a child....doesn't mean she willingly had unprotected sex....there is rape, and broken condoms.
And females can get pregnant without even having sex.....it's rare but possible.
Also what about miscarriages and still borns?
And what if theres issues with the baby and the mom dies during the birth of that child then what?
joi12345678 2 months ago
@joi12345678 Those cases you cited, an abortion would be warranted, but should they be in every case, such as young adults having kids, why not give the kids to adoption. Plus let us think through it, with proper guidance from a mother a baby is much more likely to not be a serial killer, not only because a minuscule portion of the population is, but because the mother taught him well, deprive women of that, a chance to instill proper moral and ethical values into their children.
guanaesantonio 4 weeks ago
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I don't get pro-lifers, many an animal eats its own young anyway. If God wanted abortion to seen as wrong why would he surround us with much more brutal examples of treating babies in nature?
What we do in abortion is nowhere near the brutality of God's own creations.
Not that God exists but if you believe in him, I can't see the argument.
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I don't get pro-lifers, many an animal eats its own young anyway. If God wanted abortion to seen as wrong why would he surround us with much more brutal examples of treating babies in nature?
What we do in abortion is nowhere near the brutality of God's own creations.
Not that God exists but if you believe in him, I can't see the argument.
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@SuperBenzid Benzid Most animals eat the babies of others, and plus why the fuck should we " people" be following the examples of lions and other beasts, aren't we more evolved then that, your starting to think like a baby benzid.
guanaesantonio 4 weeks ago
@guanaesantonio Why we only need to behave differently if there is a moral reason. I have no moral objection abortion.
SuperBenzid 4 weeks ago
first of all, fetus is a parasite--- why should you able to kill your tapeworm, but a woman can't abort her unwanted, human parasitic fetus?
galerouth 2 months ago
@galerouth
It cause of people like you, that some people view pro-choice supporters as immoral
xGapex 2 months ago
@xGapex
first of all, you should know that morality is just an opinion, it's not instinct in our reality, and what i wrote is science.
AND if you don't like, then use science to prove me wrong about a fetus being a parasite, OR SHUT THE FUCK UP.
galerouth 2 months ago
@galerouth
It's an "opinion" that makes living in a society possible. You can't live your life by obeying science only. I mean then life of a human being has basically no worth
In a strictly biological sense you are ofc right, but that doesn't mean shit. So a newborn is basically a parasite too? It can't survive without a someone that feeds him and takes care of him
xGapex 2 months ago
@x
abortion through natural herbs been known for thousands of years, and still societies have prospered and disappeared, so don't give me that BS---there would always be women who wants to have babies, and the women who doesn't shouldn't be force into reproductive slavery because of your BS beliefs.
dummy, human life, like all life on this planet has no intrinsic value ---it's subjective only.
sigh, how is a newborn a parasite according to symbiosis? explain your pseudo-science bs.
galerouth 2 months ago
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xGapex 2 months ago
@galerouth
Yes, and abortion through a hard punch in the stomach has been around since the dawn of humanity, doesn't mean anything. And don't get me wrong, I'm pro-choice, but I do have moral standards, and reducing the significance of abortion isn't the right way to go. It's usually a hard choice and if you tell a woman about to have an abortion (a lot of them), that abortion isn't a big deal cause their baby is just a parasite she will slap you or kick you in the balls.
xGapex 2 months ago
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@x
funny, the act of feticide is not abortion, has nothing to do w/ a woman's will an legal rights to her end pregnancy and has nothing to do with the rest of your bullshit comments.
i'm pro-choice and i'm old enough to see morality for what it is: an opinion, and "reducing the significance of abortion isn't the right way to go" is yours, but not mine--if you knew the science behind it.
a fetus is not a baby according the human development, so i doubt you are pro-choice for women.
galerouth 2 months ago
@galerouth
1. I'm writing fast and 2. English is not my primary language
xGapex 2 months ago
@galerouth
And what science behind it? It's about emotional attachment. You will NEVER win anyone over with your statements. I guess you never had a close friend who went through abortion?
xGapex 2 months ago
@xGapex
i don't care about your biddly, little emotion...the science is right.
galerouth 2 months ago
@galerouth The science, what science, your talking philosophy my friend not science, science works with raw data your making a logical conjecture on the nature of morality that is quite wrong.
guanaesantonio 4 weeks ago
@galerouth
Don't bring age into this, cause this has nothing to do with it. A depressed or sociopathic 15y old shares your views on life/morality
xGapex 2 months ago
@galerouth Your old enough to be naive and unintelligent, morality is not simply an opinion, it is a multitude of opinions that help us survive thrive and respect others, it helps us deal with the world and pick the adequate choice that will help us live in society and communion with others and ourselves. Morality balances our inner beliefs with the beliefs of society. All your arguments are undermined by your own arrogance, your point of view squandered by your incompetence and guile.
guanaesantonio 4 weeks ago
@galerouth
And I can see that we have a sociopath in making. Yes, life is subjective, but this is how monsters and mentally ill people think. I doubt that a lot of people who rly think that human life has no "intristic" value could function in a society, since if life and morality are subjective so are the laws (which are usually based on morality). Anyway, not all parasites are endoparasites (fetus). They need a host (mother) to survive and are fed by what she produces (milk)
xGapex 2 months ago
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@x
really, you are calling me sociopath-- when you are agreeing with me and can't prove me wrong on anything? lol.
"this is how monsters and mentally ill people think" or people who are REALISTS and not try to romanticized illogical-bullshit, like you do.
"I doubt that a lot of people who rly think that human life has no "intristic" value could function in a society" really, you are telling me that you are going drop everything to stop so-called "mob justice" in guatemala?
galerouth 2 months ago
@galerouth
I'm not agreeing with you. The only part where I agree is that I'm pro-choice. And that doesn't make you a sociopath. I'm talking about how you say that life has only subjective worth. I can't prove you wrong, because in theory you are right, but we don't live in a theoretical world. You are a textbook cynic, bravo. That rly makes you life better. No I'm not going to drop everything and help those in guatemala
xGapex 2 months ago
@xGapex
"I can't prove you wrong, because in theory you are right, but we don't live in a theoretical world."
wrong, do you care about the bug you killed in your kitchen? if the answer is no, then life having value, is subjective---but in reality, anything being of value IS subjective.
so how does that make me, cynic or a cold person? it seems that you are trying your best to keep your rose-colored glasses on, and not accepting the fact you were lied to, all your life.
whatever.
galerouth 2 months ago
@galerouth Jainists care, there are people that care, and if you were a bug you would care, I honestly care for the bug I killed in the kitchen, in fact I try not to kill bugs, I throw them outside, as I believe xGapex does, people during certain times can empathize and sympathize with others I'm not sure you can.
guanaesantonio 4 weeks ago
@galerouth
Know why? Cause I want to make my own country better and so I'm studying to become a criminal investigator. So at least I want to do smtng, while you are sitting at you computer or at home thinking how better you are for seeing the world in a cold scientific light and just shake your had at he injustices of the world. That helps everyone. Cynicism NEVER helped the world and never will.
xGapex 2 months ago
@xGapex
nice cop-out, "i think life has value, but i gives a shit--when life is being destroyed outside of america--where my constitutional rights means shit; but having rose-colored glasses and wanting to force women into reproductive slavery (unconstitutional) to keep their unwanted pregnancies against their will--doesn't make me a fascist at all, but a better, moral person. "
whatever.
kleptoparasitism, your point is?
galerouth 2 months ago
@galerouth
I don't actually live in america, so yes In fact I DO care,care but know that I don't have the skill or knowledge to help anyone, and I know that America is screwed up and I'd never live there. And for the last time,I'm pro-choice.Your theories on why I'm in fact not pro.choice (based on me not using the proper words of my secondary language) don't concern me.And the point of kleptoparasit. is,that parasitism doesn't need to involve taking food-which is a simpilistic view
xGapex 2 months ago
@xGapex
care to DO what? you just said that you weren't going to drop everything to save actual people from dying-- so it's clear why you would be a pro-life, schizophrenic fascist against abortions, that are none of business and outside of your control.
who said a baby was a parasite? i said fetus, there are no babies in the womb, that's an oxymoron and an misnomer of the human development chart.
kleptoparasitism, DOES involves the taking of food and with nesting material.
galerouth 2 months ago
@galerouth
Care about their lives, but won't drop everything, cause I know I can't help anyone at the moment. You just keep hammering the same things and think yo uare smart cause of it. At the moment I'm going to school in hopes I WILL SAVE PEOPLE IN THE FUTURE. Just dropping everything and start slamming your head against the wall will not help anyone, you need the proper skills and knowledge to help and at the moment I'm getting them, I assume the same can't be said for your ass
xGapex 2 months ago
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@xGapex
not, really--- if you not going to do anything, then you don't care, it's just thought.
but you can compartmentalize anyway you want.
" hopes I WILL SAVE PEOPLE IN THE FUTURE."
you should work for hallmark.
"you need the proper skills and knowledge to help and at the moment I'm getting them, I assume the same can't be said for your ass"
did i hurt your feelings? if you are not educated in the way, these people need help-- than you are not going help, DUH.
galerouth 2 months ago
@galerouth
And again with the baby stuff, you know very well when I mean a newborn and when I mean a fetus, but you are just like a lof of internet douchebags and play dumb, just that they can feel better about themselves and to help them (only in their own head) win the argument. Ok your FETUS is a parasite theory is wrong, cause of the previous mentioned points. And yes kleptopar. includes taking food, but it isn't limited to it
xGapex 2 months ago
@x
again, you never said anything to disprove a fetus was a parasite-- you brought up dna, which is moot to the behavior zygote being a foreign object, that invaded a woman's uterus, hijacked her immune system, and steal nutrients, and causes harm.
so try harder, than kleptoparasitism.
"an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it"
thefreedictionary com/parasite
galerouth 2 months ago
@galerouth
Those 3 points disproved it. Your body wants it there. A sperm by itself doesn't do shit (that's the foreign object), it need the help of the body itself to survive, no parasite works like that.The relationship is much closer to symbiosis, since the body wants him there. The body itself is doeing verything it can to keep it healthy. Why? Because the fetus makes possible that which every body strives for - reproduction.
xGapex 2 months ago
@xGapex
you didn't disprove shit.
the body wanting it there--- wrong, i believe that's faulty evolution, because the zygote (foreign object) doesn't need to invade a woman's immune system, if the woman's body wanted to be pregnant--- that still doesn't disprove the fetus being parasite.
"an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it"
thefreedictionary com/parasite
galerouth 1 month ago
@galerouth A zygote is not a foreign object bro, the sperm is, a zygote is the product of the sperm and the egg it's not foreign to the body dumbass, a women also gains a great part of the nourishment, most women grow chubbier and healthier during pregnancy.
guanaesantonio 4 weeks ago
@galerouth
The body always wants the fetus there, and (as is right) it doesn't give a shit what the person thinks. And since you like hanging on to words (instead of the points made) let me correct the previous post and say the mother/fetus relatinship is closer to mutualistic symbiosis (so you won't start ranting that parasitism is a form of sybiosis)
relationship between two species of plants or animals in which one benefits at the expense of the other. britannica com-parasitism
xGapex 2 months ago
@xGapex
prove the fetus/woman relationship is mutualistic...because it that were the case-- then pregnancy osteoporosis won't exist, would it?
"an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it"
thefreedictionary com/parasite
galerouth 1 month ago
@galerouth
You already quoted the free dictionary before. Ok, lets see. The woman gives the fetus food and risks her health, while the fetus LETS HER PROCREATE. Which is the ultimate goal of every body, that is the proof and I wrote it before. Please tell me what is more important, it's AS important as keeping the "host" alive (could say even more important). It's like eating. It's essential, but can be dangerous (choking for instance)
xGapex 1 month ago
@x
again, the woman isn't "giving" her nutrients away, and it's not food.
"HCG nteracts with the LHCG receptor ... causing it to secrete the hormone progesterone. Progesterone enriches the uterus with a thick lining of blood vessels and capillaries so that it can sustain the growing fetus. Due to its highly-negative charge, hCG may repel the immune cells of the mother, protecting the fetus during the first trimester." HCG wiki
like i said before...the fetus is stealing nutrients.
galerouth 1 month ago
@galerouth Maternity is a natural process all women go through, all females do, it ensured your existence and it ensures the existence of every single living thing in the planet, the baby is not foreign to the body so it cannot even be considered a parasite, it is not some parasite that entered the body and fed off of it, it is a product of the body, of the coupling of the sperm and the egg. This is natural.
guanaesantonio 4 weeks ago
@xGapex
"while the fetus LETS HER PROCREATE" the fetus not being in her pussy, means what? and how does that disproves a fetus being a parasite by it's behavior?
"it's AS important as keeping the "host" alive (could say even more important)" and a parasite keeping the host, means what? that doesn't disproves a fetus being a parasite.
the bot fly is as a larva is a parasite, that doesn't kill it's host.
you are just grasping at straws.
galerouth 1 month ago
@galerouth Nonetheless the baby still relies on the woman to survive it doesn't only feed off the women, it requires her well being for his well being.
guanaesantonio 4 weeks ago
@galerouth Gale most of us stop being parasites when we leave the womb, but for some reason you still are one.
guanaesantonio 4 weeks ago
@galerouth
It involves as you said nesting material and EVERYTHING ELSE that is stolen. It's just like parasitism in general which includes, but isn't limited to the taking of food (by force). I actually didn't say, it doesn't involve food, I just gave it as an example that not all parasitism is taking food, and you yourself just admitted I am right. And brood parasitism proves that "taking" isn't even needed for a behaviour to be considered parasitic
xGapex 2 months ago
@x
"I just gave it as an example that not all parasitism is taking food, & Uyourself just admitted I am right." for right now, since you didn't/can't prove that a fetus is not parasite, i guess you won at your red herring attempt. congrats.
but we both know a fetus fits this definition..."an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it"
thefreedictionary com/parasite
galerouth 2 months ago
@galerouth
The first part yes, the second part, the "the host doesn't benefit" part is WRONG and you know it. The primary goal of a species is to procreate, there is NO GOAL THAT IS MORE IMPORTANT, it's as important as being able to live. Even if a humans mind doesn't agree. Life w/o this "parasite" is impossible, for which other parasite can that be said? This is the 4th reason why a fetus isn't a parasite, but you just ignore them and say I can't disprove it over and over
xGapex 2 months ago
@xGapex
symbiosis has nothing to do with the species, just a close relationship between two to a few organisms...and YOU KNOW THAT--SO YOUR POINT IS MOOT.
"an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it"
thefreedictionary com/parasite
THE FETUS IS A PARASITE, next time try to debunk with actual scientific knowledge, not an opinions.
galerouth 1 month ago
@galerouth
Yes, you said that it's a parasite, so you described the relationship between a mother and a fetus as a parasitic biological interaction (one organism benefits and the other one is harmed), while I say it's more of a mutualistic biological interaction and said why. Yes the "host" can be harmed, but what he gets in return is FAR, FAR, FAR more important/outweighs it.
xGapex 1 month ago
@galerouth a fetus is of the same species as the mother, homo sapiens, thus it cannot be a parasite, a human fetus will also leave the mother, a parasite usually won't, furthermore fetuses only stay attached to the mother for a short period of time, later floating around in the amniotic sac, a parasite stays attached by some part of its body to the host, a fetus doesn't fit the description honey, you lost.
guanaesantonio 4 weeks ago
@galerouth
And if you actually know ANYTHING about science, you know that it's actually YOU WHO HAS TO PROVE that it's a parasite. And must prove wrong any ideas/theories that say otherwise
xGapex 2 months ago
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@xGapex
i already prove a fetus was parasite.
zygote doesn't enters the woman's body, it was formed there-- the dna doesn't matter, but the WAY the organism behaves with its host; the zygote invaded a woman's uterus with its trophoblast cells, hijacked her immune system with Neurokinin B & hcg, and steals her nutrients and cause harm.
galerouth 1 month ago
@galerouth same species not a parasite, you didn't, its the same species, it causes little harm to the mother for it steals a small part of the mother nutrients not all just a small part, and then it leaves. not a parasite.
guanaesantonio 4 weeks ago
@guanaesantonio Do you even know the definition of those words? If you did you know that they are right wing.
If you knew that the right wing is notorious for projection then you would know that calling them out is a bit of a task when you have people like you try to blur the line to defend them.
pistolpete1st 4 weeks ago
@galerouth
I'd rather live in my "romanticized illogical-bullsit" filled world, where I think that human life has some kind of meaning than in your cold narcissistic cynical world. And I hate malls and shops. Yes, I'll hear about these things and move on. You know why? Cause no matter what you do, there is little chance things these things will stop.
xGapex 2 months ago
@galerouth Subjective you cannot define something physical as subjective, you describe ideas as subjective, you can describe ideologies as subjective, not physical objects, your point on guatemala makes no sense, you have some of the worst debating or conversing skills I have ever seen and you grow less and less coherent as this discussion goes by.
guanaesantonio 4 weeks ago
@x
no, you are not going to stop "mob-justice" guatemala, they are killing innocent people w/o a trial, & "the church" is over there doing nothing about it, nor u r going to stop tribal killing in africa, the religious killings asia and the middle-east...what you are going to do is: compartmentalize just like everyone else and go to the mall.
so, yes, realists like me can function in society, where the truth about human life, like the life of that bug you took, has no intrinsic value.
galerouth 2 months ago
@galerouth You or her, whatever, has no sense of empathy, has no sense of sympathy, is largely pseudo intellectual and pretentious, probably young and self absorbed, and thinks they understand a shred of the world when they have to understand that nothing has intrinsic value, that no one can see the world and comprehend it without morality or understanding, and does not understand that if we all make an effort we can stop mob justice in guatemala, we can stop a few tribal killing in africa.
guanaesantonio 4 weeks ago
@x
"since if life and morality are subjective so are the laws which are usually based on morality" duh, welcome to the real world, child.
"They need a host (mother) to survive and are fed by what she produces (milk)"
really, baby =/= parasite, because it doesn't take the milk by force, the woman give her milk to the it and has the choice not to....unlike a fetus, when as a zygote invaded a woman's uterus by its Trophoblast cells.
and it goes for your "kid being a parasite" fallacy.
galerouth 2 months ago
@galerouth
Lol, "Welcome to the real world"?! You usually say that when someone has a realization or smtng similar.
And anyway parasitism doesn't necessarily involve taking food by force or taking food at all. We have kleptoparasitism which is stealing things from other animals (not just food) and brood parasitism.
xGapex 2 months ago
@galerouth
And I can see that you are very proud of your learned knowledge, so let me return to ur first statement. There are no variants (as far as I know) of parasitism which say that the offspring have a parasitic relationship with their "parents". So if we go back to pure theory your statement is wrong. Anyway, have a nice life and I hope your depression and cynicism (or when your narcissistic brain realizes that you are a piece of shit just like us) doesn't lead u to suicide,bye
xGapex 2 months ago
@x
so i'm wrong about the human fetus being parasite because the theory is not common?
"it is also possible for a symbiotic relationship to exist between two organisms of the same species."
answers com/topic/symbiosis —–Gale's Science of Everyday Things:
Symbiosis
"an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it"
thefreedictionary com/parasite
and Trophoblast cells.
galerouth 2 months ago
@galerouth I agree with you, a human fetus is most def a parasite. Isn't that taught in HS biology?
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@galerouth
And you are saying that my baby is a parasite theory is wrong because you don't know of parasites that don't take food by force, which is kinda the same thing, only that you rely on your own knowledge, while I rely on research, scientific knowledge and classification. Yes, I know that parasitism between members of the same species exists, but don't read abbreviated research articles. They don't mention OFFSPRING as a parasite of the parent.
xGapex 2 months ago
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galerouth 2 months ago
@galerouth
@galerouth
Parasitism - A form of symbiosis in which one organism (called parasite) BENEFITS at the expense of another organism usually of different species (called host)
biology-online /dictionary /Parasitism
An intimate association between organisms of two or more kinds; especially : one in which a parasite obtains benefits from a host which it usually injures
merriam-webster /dictionary/ parasitism
Oh I can find definitions too, no food mentioned
xGapex 2 months ago
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galerouth 2 months ago
@galerouth
Theory isn't common?
You take one similarity and run with it. That's like me saying - fish live in the sea, dolphins live in the see, some fish feed on other fish, dolphins feed on fish - ergo dolphins are fish. 1. There are no mammal parasites, 2. There are no endoparasites that enter the body with only half of the genetic code and the body provides the second half, so the body actually MAKES IT , which is unlike any kind of parasite
xGapex 2 months ago
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galerouth 2 months ago
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@x
"1. There are no mammal parasites," wrongs, embryos, fetuses and parasitic twins.
2.no endoparasites that enter the body w/ only half of the genetic code & the body provides the second half.
zygote doesn't enters the woman's body, it was formed there-- the dna doesn't matter, but the WAY the organism behaves with its host; the zygote invaded a woman's uterus with its trophoblast cells, hijacked her immune system with Neurokinin B & hcg, and steals her nutrients and cause harm.
galerouth 2 months ago
@galerouth
3. The fetus doesn't steal food or take it by force, the body provides food because it wants too, I'm not an expert in biology but I'd say that's how it is. I doubt that bodies provide things like amniotic fluid (to help the "parasite survive and grow stronger)
xGapex 2 months ago
@xGapex
sorry, the zygote is an foreign organism that steals her food, and the amniotic fluid isn't from the woman, but by made by the zygote.
galerouth 2 months ago
@galerouth How is the zygote fucking foreign dumbass. It's made by the woman's body. A conjunction of the woman's egg and the man's sperm, it's not a parasite.
guanaesantonio 4 weeks ago
@galerouth
And basically every kid is a parasite, since he depends on others for survival
xGapex 2 months ago
@galerouth Poisoning through natural herbs has been known for centuries, that doesn't mean it is right to poison someone, galerouth we as humans cannot, no matter how logical or detached we are, have no morality, we have to give value to life all life alike, because nothing has intrinsic value, we give it value, and we have to procreate too, for in that manner we guarantee the survival of the species and the maintenance of our somewhat rare form of intelligent life.
guanaesantonio 4 weeks ago
@galerouth I just used science to prove you wrong, and furthermore what you said about morality being an opinion is not true, because morality is not just one opinion it is several, several ideological frameworks, which we use to adapt and comprehend reality, furthermore you did not use science to contradict us you used philosophy, for the study of morality does not fall withing the reals of scientific research, perhaps neurosciences has a small study of the parts of the brain involved in it.
guanaesantonio 4 weeks ago
@galerouth A woman would not like her son to be described as a parasite galerouth, second of all a son is not a parasite, for a parasite derives lone benefit in the symbiotic relationship between two parties, no a fetus and a mother have a mutualistic relationship of which they both derive benefit, not even that, a fetus cannot fit into symbiosis.
guanaesantonio 4 weeks ago
Love the fetus - hate the baby.
ooMONKEYoo 2 months ago
They want live babies today so they can have dead soldiers tommorrow.
Jh5kRadio 2 months ago
These Conservatives and Christians sure care a whole a lot about fetuses, yet they seem to love to send people to war to kill other die and kill other people. What a bunch of fucked up people.
Chaoitcme 2 months ago in playlist More videos from TheYoungTurks
World population is too high anyway
AaronDiMaria 2 months ago
I want rights for my sperm.
dEdGrimley 2 months ago
US is close to being done -- it was a good run while it lasted. California, Oregon & Washigton, you should cecede from the Union & form an awesome new country -- might even get BC and Alaska to join. Together it would be a bigger country than Canada -- hell, CA is already bigger. Time to breakup these unworkable confederations into smaller more easily governed & wealthier entitities.
bobbytookalook 2 months ago
I'm from Indianapolis, but I haven't lived there since 2003. I'm shocked that a woman there was prosecuted for having a stillborn baby. I didn't know until I saw this video.
scottandrewhutchins 2 months ago in playlist The Young Turks Show December 20, 2011
A fetus has more right to personhood than a corporation.
scottandrewhutchins 2 months ago in playlist The Young Turks Show December 20, 2011
@scottandrewhutchins I don't agree with corporations being people, but that said, using your logic, an animal SHOULD have more rights than a fetus. A living, breathing, feeling creature that feels pain and fear should be granted more rights than something that is not even fully alive and that is incapable of feeling fear or pain.
july7nyc 2 months ago
@TheExecutiveDecision Im guessing your male
shandcunt 2 months ago
@shandcunt Yes I am a male.
TheExecutiveDecision 2 months ago
@moviedude22 No Lewis Black said we should elect a dead president. Plus; for the republicans he suggested Ronald Reagan; dig him up elect him.
korusi 2 months ago
We need to protect the rights of the sperm and the egg, if someone kicks you in the crotch thats attempted manslaughter.
We went from 2billion people at the start of 1900 and are at nearly 7billion now...imagine if we keep this up? You can talk about rates flattening out but reality doesnt agree with you (See previous sentence)
shandcunt 2 months ago
Quick question for the Anti-Abortion folks.
What do you want to happen to women who do have an abortion? What should be the punishment?
Meatbag211 2 months ago