Very nice. I like that you are keeping your hands forward and staying out of her way when asking for your transition. It is very appropriate to exaggerate to teach, refine as you progress. :)
@millshorsemanship "exaggerate to teach, refine as you progress." I LOVE that! So few commenters here seem to understand that concept! I think it's because so few have ever actually "taught" a completely untrained horse...
Its really good!!! but just one comment, why were you holding your reins so high? i go to riding lessons and im 14 and they tell me off for holding my reins to high :S
@ChloeeeBabeeeX I believe that with this totally untrained horse, it is one way of exaggerating her cues so that the horse will notice, just like she thumps him with her legs in an extreme manner. Once he learns that her hands and reins and legs mean something to HIM, the rider begins to make the cues more and more subtle and would keep the hands more level and steady. It's such a different thing teaching a horse something for the first time-- they have to learn with practice just like we do!
@sallymsanders Please read all the other replies below... he spent all of 10 seconds striking off into 1-2 canter strides, simply so he could feel the rider on his back at that gait. It is not "work" and is not stressful to a sturdy, large-boned warmblood to carry a rider for up to 1/2 hour on the trail, mostly at a walk. THAT was his training. BTW, he is now 6 and has had no ill effects from any of his riding or driving training.
@RockenArab thanks so much for POSITIVE input! And willingness to consider things differently! From the viewpoint of a totally untrained horse, he NEEDS to be exposed to all sorts of unbalance and activity of the rider so that it won't worry him when the same thing happens later on, outside of the roundpen and with different riders (ME!)
Wow, all the negative comments on here. I think she did really good for riding a green horse. They aren't balanced very well when you first start riding them and they have to learn to carry a rider. That's what the exercise they're doing is all about. carrying a rider, not turning, stopping, etc. And for all of you that say "eww it's western" or " I only ride english" Broaden your horizons, and you'll see that the basics in all disciplines are the same. Look up the dressage meets cowboy video.
@Mdequifever Thanks for your insight-- I too am surprised at all the negative comments. People get so stuck in their narrow little viewpoints they lose sight of the big picture! I suspect very very few of them have ever seen a totally untrained horse being started-- they are trying to apply equitation standards. Those come later!
@horsepaintings Very true! I ride green horses and it's best to get them moving out right away so they're less inclined to buck when you actually do start asking them to canter from cues later. I have a friend that trail rides them to give them experience, but he never does anything but walk them so they don't know how to carry a rider at the canter and explode when asked to do so. He's starting to realize that after getting bucked off several times lol
@buddymacs Sire Percheron via AI, mare 7/8 Arabian and 1/8 Connemara. Yes he and his full brother both are sturdy yet not stocky, about 16 hands now, used for carriage driving and pleasure riding. Check out my other more recent vids or my blog :)
Ok, first point, why are you loping on a horse that does not steer? Stupid and dangerous, about as dumb and doing the same on horse without brakes. What is the point of getting him into the lope only to let him stop after 2 strides? Part of why he is stopping is because the rider is so unbalanced once he lifts into the lope. that is not exaggerated cues, that is unbalanced riding which only serves to teach the horse he can stop as soon as the rider is not sitting stock still.
@suziekabluzie I agree. There is no reason to get on a horse that hasn't already learned the basics of steering, as it is easy (and easier on the horse) to teach this from the ground. And, a rider truly skilled enough to start greenies would never ride in an unbalanced manner, even when giving strong cues. Besides, that's what the flag man is supposed to be for, to reinforce the cues from the rider. A green horse needs a really balanced rider to help it learn. This one didn't get that.
@blkgryphon Guess all is well that ends well-- this horse learned plenty enough to go out on trail training shortly after being backed a few times in the roundpen. With no incident or fear of the feel of the rider.
your a really bad rider. Maybe your the green one. Green horses are like and sponge and they feed off you, if your flapping your arms and kick kick kickinng.
@ChloeRosie14 Exaggerated cueing is necessary only the first few times. As soon as the horse realizes that the legs "MEAN" something, the thumping is reduced to squeezing. The first few times a totally uneducated horse feels legs on his sides, he has NO IDEA that the rider is trying to tell him something. So you increase the cue until you get a response, then stop cueing. This is pressure and release, pure and simple. And there is no need to insult the trainer/rider.
Very bad rider, Doesnt collect the reins when he canters, all slouched over, And UHHGG! Squeeze with your legs once you get him into a canter!!!! That might help!!!!
@22232marijn You should just be quiet!!!! Your probably not a very good rider yourself! And if she was a bad rider she would definitely NOT be riding a green horse. Don't be stupid. And DO NOT BE RUDE!! The horse is green, so that means that the horse is probably not very balanced, so its most likely hard for the rider to have perfect position. So please, think before you comment.
Sorry but i thought western riding demonstrated great horsemanship, that just looks like an inexperienced rider bobbing around trying to train a horse.
wow, everyone is so judgemental on here. regardless of what discipline you ride, training a horse comes down to pressure and release. what's happening in this video makes perfect sense to me, and excellent description. good job
@HorseChickz We don't wear helmets b/c we focus on COMUNNICATING with our horses unlike you english bitches. You push your horses to the limit and ruin their bodies by the time they reach middle age with all your useless juming, and racing. Every western horse I've been around ENJOYS their job.
@horses4evr3 actually i like communicating with my horse dam well i ride with a helmet cuz ik horses can naturally spook at things and i wont expect it i've even done a join up 3 times 2 with my horse and one with a lesson horse i used to ride, u dont know what i do to communicate with my horse, im into the alternative remedies and join up and im reading the book getting in TTouch book, my horse cant even jump barely 2 1/2 ft do u think i'd push him any more than i have
You, are an idiot. You may see bad examples of English riding, but I've seen just as many forms of abuse in Western riding, if not more, then in English sports. I've seen heads tied down between their legs, huge spurs and bleeding horses, and very harsh bits that allow it to seem like the horse is being controlled with just the body but is quite opposite. A good English rider believes in being one with their horse and communicating.
@enmonjea Heads tied down between their legs.... rrrright, and what class of western riding was this in? B/c I know for a fact that english is all about the "form" of the horse with their head wrench up high and the neck curved a the top.... you people obviously don't believe that a horse needs to breathe then?
@enmonjea And don't tell me I needed to be educated in all forms of riding when obviously you have a biased opinion as well. Huge spurs? Never used them in my life and I'm pretty darn sure your discipline uses them way more than we do. Western spurs are just always so often in movies that thats how you people think we ride. And DO NOT even start me on harsh bits. If anyone uses harsh bits it's those who are uneducated or those in English. What does a bit ever have to do with neck reining?
@enmonjea And until who can tell me what the purpose of English riding exatly is, just give up. At least our discipline has use and a purpose. (minus the barrel racing, pole bending etc.) What exactly is the benefit for the horse for being all un-natural in dressage and the un-natrual/uncomfortable form? Oh right.... you guys get little cool ribbons. Thats all I hear from english riders. Most just care about if they win or not and the horse gets put on the bac burner till the next show.
This is where you lose all credibility. I actually am not biased, I ride Western as well. I am just saying, in training, I have seen lots of bad riding and bad training habits from both sides. I am mainly versed in three day eventing and dressage, so I will speak on that. The purpose is to improve your horse. Every movement is natural, or SHOULD BE. You are to be one with your horse, to speak only with the most subtle movements in your body and legs. There is nothing like it.
@horses4evr3 My horses LOVE their work. Their head carriage is natural. Watch a horse playing out in the field, and then watch a good dressage test. Look similar do they not? The head down to the dirt is Western riding is finally being looked down upon, but at so many local shows in the past I've seen that head tied crap. I've also seen horrible jolting and pulling with those large harsh bits. However, like I said, abuse is in all riding. All sports can be wonderful to behold.
@horses4evr3 And I personally love reining. It has the same concept of Dressage. Balance and ability to carry a rider with ease and respond quickly to the most light commands. I am not an amazing rider, but I know how things should be. And after competing through MANY different sports, I have just found dressage and eventing the most enjoyable for both my horses and myself.
@horses4evr3 Also, in most English sports, our bits MUST be loose or D-rings. The least harsh of any bits. Those with curbs are dangerous to any rider who is even slightly unbalanced. If used correctly, they are fine, but the majority of riders (myself included!) are not ready for them. And I never force my horse on the bit. They are carried lightly with contact to the mouth and I encourage them to pick up their head carriage themselves.
@horses4evr3 -What is WRONG with you? What kind of riding you do has NOTHING to do with how you care for your horse! And cool little ribbons? Well- I'm just happy I don't leave with a fat silver buckle around my waist! This is just stupid! I ride English, and everyone at the barn takes care of their horse just as well, if not BETTER, than western riders! And the purpose? To fall into sink with your horse and blend- to show friendship and trust. Not run around barrels like a maniac.
@horses4evr3 Okay, honey, maybe YOU don't abuse your horses, but I've seen SO much abuse in the Western riding world. Not saying that English disciplines don't have their idiots (Rollkur, for example, is bullshit, as is poling and overworking), but you can't say that Western riders don't abuse their horses at all. I have seen countless instances of barrel & pole-bending & team penning horses yanked in the mouth, overrun, and constant whipping simply for speed in Western events.
@horses4evr3 You're also completely incorrect in what the purpose of English riding is. At least in huntseat, it originally began in foxhunting. Dressage, cross-country, and show jumping were originally used in military competition to train horses for agility, precision, and bravery in the field. I never won a single ribbon with my horse, but we had fantastic communication, and he is a great athlete.
@horses4evr3 And, finally, horses can breathe just fine in a frame. Putting a horse into that movement improves topline muscle, which supports the horse's ability to carry a rider. Tell me, how many rodeo horses are able to comfortably and calmly ride with their heads down? A PROPER frame (and there are certainly people who abuse it) requires dexterity and concentration for a horse and rider to maintain. It in NO WAY hurts the horse, when done correctly.
@horses4evr3 And to put everything in perspective, that horse of mine who's a great athlete? Never used anything stronger than a full-cheek snaffle on him. He has perfectly round, smooth, balanced motion, both on the flat and over fences. He is fine-tuned to my signals, and I to his. If he was being abused, do you REALLY think he'd put up with it? When he's 16.2hh and I'm 4'11"?
@hidenseeker424 i can definately see what youre saying and i agree for the most part, i think youre very well spoken and stated your point well, but i just wanted to add that not all western riding are speed events and classes, theres trail and western pleasure classes in show, not saying that theres no mistereatment at horse shows either, its all about the handler, but i definately agree with your statement about abuse isnt about the discipline :)
From a dressage and eventing perspective, that is our primary focus... communication. We are all riders, and all good riders and horsemen are the same, no matter the discipline. I would never generalize an entire population such as you did. You really must become educated in all forms of riding, not just shoveled into yours.
@HorseChickz They need to in order to do their job right and have fun. You guys just pull out your whips and hit them to death till they go over that stupid 2 ft piece of plastic. All just so you get your stupid little ribbon and you can ignore them till your next show and to show off. Least a lot of the activities we western people do have a use!!
@horses4evr3 like i said before i dont like to push my horse, any horse i agree with you totaly most english people just take out their stupid crops and whips when their horse could be in pain, thats also why i dont like racing, someof the horses love to run but what if they dont and if they slow down they just smak them with a crop! i totally get where ur coming from, and idk if i said this cuz i have CRS ,cant remember shit but i dont think i said everyone uses the horn, its just a bad crutch
@HorseChickz Oh and the little horn comment.... actually know the damn discipline before hating on it. You obviously don't know what it is their for because us riders that know how to ride, DON'T use the use to help us
Everyone has their own way of training, but if I were the trainer, I would master steering and walk trot transitions first. And if I asked for the canter, I would sit (not post) and squeeze with my outside leg behind the girth. If he didn't bounce into it, I would slow down to a steady trot and try again. That teaches the horse not to speed trot into the canter, bur pick it up right away. :) my oppinion.
@sammalini852 he he! "Green" means a horse or rider is basically untrained or not very experienced. This horse is just starting his under-saddle training.
@horsepaintings i know it :D i have well i used to have 2 Black Egyptian Arabian horses, named Magic and Star , but my grandma sold them to some people in Idaho , i was sad , but now i am getting a new horse her name i flicka and she is the same breed and color as magic and star did
Does everyone who is saying a negative comment break horses?? I doubt it. I have broken many horses for pay and I also teach riding lessons and I think she did a pretty damn good job and it is very nerve racking to canter a horse for the first time. There is no one correct way to train a horse. I have never worn a helmet in my life. If you know how to protect yourself when you fall off you shouldnt hit your head.
@jesfuq u no thats extremely dangerous to ride a horse without a helmet, would you put a 5 yr old on a horse without a helmet ;) yeah thats right i DIDNT think so... also u no maybe your just the only perfect person in the world and apparently were such bad riders that we know totaly whar to do all the time when we fall off cuz u no when i fall of i SURE dont plan it so i really dont think to cover my head, but what the heck! maybe im just retarded 4 not doing it!
@HorseChickz well actually I do put 5 yr olds on a horse without a helmet if they are going slow. My point is that I thought the girl did a pretty good job of riding the canter on the green horse. This is not about attacking people, which is the whole point of me opening my mouth to begin with.
Interesting that all comments here from people who think they know more than the next person, are not willing to sign their real name to their posts. If Heath Ryan himself made a comment, I would take very careful consideration of what he was saying, negative or positive because he is a proven expert. I think 2 is a good time to start a horse out. I am no expert, but I have my just 2 yr old going next week to be broken and the expert has no problem with his age. REAL NAME - Kylie. Hogan
@caitywood386 Thanks for commenting-- he was and is fine and totally sound barefooted (age 5 now). He's used for carriage driving and trail riding (see more recent vids of him and his full brother.)
@tcb4artists Thank you Kylie. Good luck with your own 2 yr. old-- this guy is now 5 and a wicked nice-- and totally sound-- horse! He's used for carriage driving and trail riding (see recent vids of him here.) Connie Moses
Clinton Anderson is so great. His methods really do work.
In my opinion....which you can take whatever way you want......I think that the person middle with the stick should only help you achieve more forward motion if your cues aren't working. Another thing I noticed is that when your horse stops cantering, there is no reinforcement to stay in that gait. I understand that he is a green horse but when you ask him to canter, he should not slow until asked to.
@AgentPeachPuff Realize that this horse has never before cantered with a person on his back.Trying to make him maintain a canter would be asking way too much of him for the first time-- right now he is only being shown that it's OK for him to canter and that he CAN do it while still balancing a rider, so that he won't get worried about it The trainer with the flag is the primary one cueing his movement at this point, until he learns the rider's signals. THanks for commenting!
<3 DownUnder Horsemanship <3 Great job. i read that he turned out great! Good for you. Clinton's methods have helped me sooo much so i am sad when i read all the negative comments from people who dont understand them because they are missing out.
@barnbrunette15 Clinton's methods are successful and generally in tune with the horse, I like him a lot. However, I have seen vid of him riding/reining a 2 yr. old that was WAY TOO trained for that young IMO, implying a LOT of training under saddle at an early age. The training on my horse here was exceedingly light and easy compared to what Clinton's horse was doing...
@Himolly12 Aids have to be given in exaggerated manner in the beginning so that the horse realizes you are asking it to do something. Once horse learns that, you gradually reduce the activity level of the aids until he responds to just the slightest subtle cue. This is how initial first training is different from riding on an already-trained horse!
@horsepaintings I know that, alongside my mum I've broken quite a few horses for eventing.. The only time I've ridden an 'already trained' horse was when I was young, learning to ride, since then I've broken my warmblood mare Onclado myself, I know how to start a horses learning and I'm sorry those aids were simply ridiculous.
2 year old horses shouldn't be cantering under saddle. 4 year olds shouldn't even be learning to canter under saddle. Your horse is going to have problems when he reaches his senior years. HELLO ARTHRITIS!!!
not to be rude but i dont think training at such a young age (under saddle) is such a great idea... but then again thats just my opinion that i wanted to put out there...but it did a good job for barely being trained.:)
@pshxmurr Well he is having his direction of movement controlled, by the handler in the center, thus he is learning being steered by reins through association. One step at a time. He is learning how to carry and balance a rider. He will learn steering on the trail in ways that make sense to him, such as turning around trees and through bends in the trail, following the lead of a horse in front of him. This is the part of training that is more "natural" from the horse's point of view!
guys 2 is NOT too young to be started undersaddle! horses are being raced at 2 and this horse is merely just now learning undersaddle. granted racehorses are pushed way to far way too fast but this horse, he knows cues from a flag and is then in the video learning the same cues but from a rider. i myself am training a 3yo at the moment who was *shocker* started when she was 2. its perfectly fine as long as you keep it light and simple
@TzarodePluum Yeh my little point N shoot is creepy... the arms are exaggerated cues used at the VERY start of training, to help the horse realize he is supposed to be responding, ie. going faster. Once he understands, you reduce the intensity of the signals/cues, using as little cue as necessary to get the desired response-- always with the goal of using the lightest cue possible. Classic Clinton Anderson or any other natural trainer.
You can train at two but you have to be very careful at what you train them to do the weight ect. I have seen two year old race horses being trained before... they dont reach there full potential height or health
I MIGHT be getting a younger 4yr old Holsteiner gelding, Jungle Book, going to check him out Monday, 5th July.
He has never been cantered, only trotted & walked. He is a sweet heart.
I have taught horses to ride well they were older horses that has 'some kind' of training.
By watching this I have a very hard time believing so. At the least, remain opened minded, since you probably have been doing this for years, just realize we are all learners. Just wait, our horse is worth waiting for.
I suppose you could start your horse now, if you must, for example like reining or barrels, but you can wait. I started my horse at five for reining some may say to late, but he is coming along quite well. Albeit, you are using that horse for trail, so it isn't necessary to immediately start training. Please take into consideration your young horse's well being. Don't you want it to have a zestful and sensational life?
@stevielover08 The reason for starting young is that the younger they are, the more easily they adapt to new things. We're not talking about reining or barrels or schooling or exercising in a ring, simply preparing the horse to go out on trails and be EXPOSED to new stimuli. Now at age 5, almost all his training has been in real world situations, and he is very tolerant of all kinds of things. Also very willing to learn and to try whatever is asked of him.
Also, when teaching a new horse, he must learn things for himself. If he were cantering in the paddock, his head would more or less have the same degree of angle. The rider is encouraging him to learn for himself, rather than doing it for him, which results in a heavy handed, reliant horse. This is exactly how i teach a new horse, keep it up :)
@MoNgOoSeSxiNxmYxbEd Thanks a lot for your comments! This horse is almost 5 now, and super light and responsive, and curious, willing, and interested in learning!
Come on people, Thoroughbreds are raced at 2. All depends on how well and fast the horse has matured. For example, my 2 year old still looks like a big foal, so I am leaving his in-saddle training till later. 5 is rather late to be breaking in a horse, and is unfair on the horse as the older he gets, the less accepting to new things he is. For me to break in a horse at 2, he would have to be bulked out and well muscled with a mature look about him, and you only ride them lightly, as above
everyone has there opinions, and concerns, but i have trained all of my horses around the age of 2 and 3, with no problems. as long as your doing light work and riding, there is nothing wrong with that. now as for cattle work, or barrel racing and stuff like that, then i would wait till they are 4 or 5 to start training. guess my point is this, there is nothing wrong with the way they are training this horse, and the age of the horse, and she is NOT to heavy for this horse even at the age of 2!!
@bella44darkeve20 Thank you for your comments. This is an older video-- this horse (almost 5 now) AND also his older brother, who is now 7 years old, were both saddle-trained at 2 years old, also taught to drive starting at 2. AS YOU SAID, they had light, non-stressful intro to both skills. Never hard "work" as it was meant to be enjoyable at their age. Never had any unsoundness in either of them as a result. What DID happen is they both remain very willing, soft, and easy to train today.
A 2yr old horse shouldnt be ridden yet! it should still be out in the pastures with its same age group herd, and let him be a youngster until hes full grown, no 2 yr old horse is fully grown!
@Littlebearcutie@Littlebearcutie Please read all of description and see more recent vids-- please perceive the difference between being simply on a horse's back and actual hard working/riding of the horse. This horse is almost 5 now and has never taken an unsound step. He pulls carriages too (also since age 2), both single and in pair with his brother. His mind is willing and curious and he is an in-your-pocket kind of guy, obviously never been overworked or soured..
I have read the description thoroughly and it still does not explain why you are asking this very young horse to perform with (no offense is here intended) what appears to be a fairly heavy rider and saddle. There is a difference between just sitting on a horse and working/riding as you put it, however, either cause pressure on the young and underdeveloped structures of the horses anatomy.
This horse is too young full stop top be doing this sort of work!
I have to agree with Littlebearcutie. A 2 year old - of any breed - is too young to be carrying the weight of a rider, regardless of the purpose. Basically, most horses shouldn't be ridden till the age of 4, some late-developers not till the age of 5. But most humans are too impatient to wait for the appropriate time.
@jyttec Not impatient, but rather fully mindful of how INTRODUCTION at an early age to its intended lifestyle is beneficial to the young horse. Handled since birth, taught to respond to pressure since a day old, ponied beside mom mare since 2 weeks old, ground driven as a yearling and hitched to lightweight cart at 2... This horse at almost 5 now and his full brother age 7 were both started this way, and are are both very soft, willing, and easy to train today. AND totally sound and barefoot.
@jyttec i deff get what ur saying, but i think just getting on for 5 mins and only walking or standing is ok for them to get used to it but i totally agree about legit riding, racing,jumping, herding, exc. on a young horse (:
@xXGrandPrixWannabeXx Starting him in this manner never hurt him at all, he has always been sound, has never acted sour, and today he is almost 5-- drives and rides on streets and trails. Still in training, as they are pretty much all their lives, aren't they? Thanks for your comments!
@horsepaintings no i totally agree with you but a few other people thot that just bc you were riding him a little ment that you were completly training him but i totally agree i do the same thing with all my youngsterss (:
Okay, you need to do more ground work on this horse if he still can't steer. I just broke two wonderful rocky mountian horses, and they could steer, and listen to voice cues. Go back and despook and do more ground work
@ArablvrXoXo Please read ALL of description and see more recent vids-- please perceive the difference between being steered by the rider and having his movement DIRECTED by the trainer on the ground. He was despooked thru ground handling 3-4 weeks before he was ever backed. He pulls carriages too (also since age 2), both single and in pair with his brother. His mind is willing and curious and he is an in-your-pocket kind of guy, obviously has never been overworked or soured.
@blackbird7194 It's simply the very first stage of training, you have to exaggerate your cues by being as active as needed to get the horse to understand what you want-- THEN you begin to make your aids more subtle!
@polkadottedponys I'm not really sure but it does look like she might be wearing English-type spurs, but definitely not rowels. If so, she is very used to wearing spurs. The lady on the horse is the trainer's assistant.
I like your idea of training on the trail. But I gotta tell you- it's pretty funny to click on a video that says 'first canter under saddle' then read 'he has not yet learned steering'. It made me chuckle. But I have no desire to make fun of you or your training, have fun and good luck on the trail learning to turn.
What is that noise????? it's quite distracting, also funny haha. My horse is 3 I started her when she was 2,5 with ground work, and had rides no longer than 10 minutes before she was 3, now they are a bit longer and i've gotten her to canter. I am not pushing her at all, I let her canter if she wants to, and when she slows down, it's ok. She has to find her balance, when I notice she does, that's when I start asking more of her. There's nothing wrong with starting a younger horse just respect it
its perfectly fine to break 2 yr olds.. just dont work them hard. i train for western pleasure so I usually only train them for a walk & trot the first year then move on to the canter when they are 3
well, dont u know that 'Cossy1065' knows it ALL?!? She attended college 4 horse anatomy & physiology (LMAO)! She's show jumping her 3 yr old! which means she started jumping b4 3..(shaking head in disbelief). xtreme comments amuse me. I've been working w/horses for 28 yrs (FACT).. continue learning new techniques DAILY. I'd never assume 2 know whats best 4 any horses outside my own. BUT.. 3 is 2 young 2 jump w/weight no matter where u went to school or live (also FACT)
OK, people if u train horses u know that each is different & will reach goals accordingly. I started my warmblood under saddle at 2yrs, hes almost 3 & I've yet 2do more than trot under saddle- BUT- I know if I wanted 2 canter under saddle, he's a draft cross & can physically handle it, but mentally I dont feel hes ready, so I don't.
However, every1 must remember all horses r not created equal & training is developed 4 ea as an individual. No cookie cutter routine will fit all horses
its good to get all the different speeds in fast. that way if he spooks and takes off he will not freak out even more because he doesnt know what it feels like to canter with someone on his back. its helps to get him through all the gaits then you can work him at watever speed you want. :) but like you siad there are always different ways to train a horse
good point! see, this is why networking is helpful. :) I honestly never thought of it in that light. Thanks for your insight, and your vids... your horses are beautiful.
you started your horse at 2!!!! WTF you really should start a horse till its 3 to allow their bones time to fuse and allow growth plates to finish growing that is so stupid! i started my dutch warmblood tb at 3 just under 3 months ago and she is walk trot canter and comepting at her first showjumping comp in the next couple weeks and she hacks alone and in company she loads and has had her first set of shoes on there is no need to start your horse so young stupid stupid stupid!
yes i do because when a horse is strated that young no matter how light the rider unless its a child a small child it stops bone growth and makes a horse more prone to laminitus at a younger age its bad for the horse
it does not stop bone growth, taking him for walks, teaching him to trot, at 15.3hh, big build, will NOT cause laminitis. LOL.. I am sorry, but really, you should do more research before commenting. the workload he has at 2 is so light his bones will not "stop" growing.. that is seriously the funniest thing I ever heard. stop growing. laminitis. jumping b4 joints are closed (xrays to confirm @ 4yrs) will cause career suicide, not my training my yearling. Cossy, we all have an opinion.
want to talk about stupid do we??? Jumping any horse before 4, yes 4, is stupid! Now, who'd the dumb one? certainly not me... lotsa experts out here in you tube land.. you go JUMP your 3 yr old, see how long his career will last.. I saddle broke at 2, doesn't mean I do anything hard... go destroy your horse's joints. Have fun. My horse will be just fine, he turns 3 in May.. and will NOT be shown anything more than in hand until he is ready.
I know how it feels, my horse is undersaddle and had been for a few months, yet she doesnt respond, and idk what else to do, we finally trot but are nowhere ready for a canter, and i couldnt get her there if i tried. she rears all the time , and its becoming worse again, we were outta tht habit:/ you have any ideas?
The transitions were wonderful for being a two year old. I myself like to be careful and give em plenty of time with W/T before i canter em, but i don't think a few strides would bow his tendons. It's kind of sad how people over-react. >_>
Oh and to the people saying it will ruin him... I'm 100% certain he does an awful lot more when turned out in the field than the couple of strides of canter done here.
It's a different training method than I'm used to, but he seemed very accepting to the rider and the goings ons around him. I work mostly with race horses, where long reining and making the mouth comes long before getting on, but every trainer has their own methods so I'm not going to discourage this, the horse seems happy and healthy so why should I? Well done, he's lovely, and seems to have a nice accepting temperment.
WOW! this needs TONS of work!!....First off- you should teach a horse steering before even considering to get on his back- let alone trotting or even cantering!! Then you must get a seat!! A horse will never ride right if its not comforable. You should not be pushing a two year old like this... maybe some light walking\trotting but NOT cantering!
well let's see... first there were 3 canter strides, then there were 5 in a row, then 2 or 3. Somehow I don't think this is going to break down this horse. As I explain in the description, this is simple prep for going out on trail in company of other horses, where he will be taught steering in a way that makes sense to him, and he'll carry a rider at 3 gaits and discover he can balance his rider. He did, he never had any problems, and now 2 yrs. later he drives and rides, light as a feather.
This is prep for a pretty different way of training, where he will go out on trail rides and learn to go along in the company of other horses and do what they are doing. THis is/was done before cues or reining or anything. Learning by doing.
BTW, this vid was 2 years ago and his training has been mostly as a carriage horse! He pleasure trail rides too, and is now schooling under saddle.
Actually, no. The first thing you need to establish is forward movement, and THEN teach cues, especially with a colt, because at that stage of their training, you're just sacking them out with your body.
I like that description! You're so right too, going forward is first, next comes steering and stopping. And when I first got on him a few days after this, it was fine with me that the trainer had already done some flopping around on top of him. He learned not to be worried about it!
Don't have too-- in this case his path is shaped by the round pen and the handler in the center directs his steering. (He was already practiced at being round-penned.)
Odd way of training horses... I think rider should support the movement of horse by perfect balance, as soon as it comes to canter. What I see here is total unbalance. I think you should'nt act as if the horse does not know how to canter.
It knows it perfectly, you just should support him with your seet - thats all. Becouse it is so uneasy for horse to find his balanse with rider on his back... You do even worse, the opposite - the horse will remember cantering like this as unpleasant, not comfortable thing.
As we know, horses allways seek for comfort - this is what should be used for training... Riders seet is one and most important aid for all horses - on it depends the balance.. I think riding is all about natural things - natural responses of the horse to every move you make.
And when the horse is rushing on his pace, with nose pointed up - it is unhappy and unwilling to carry the rider, it is not working with his back - that couses some serious problems later...
Another thing - when you train the horse free or on the lunge line to react to the voice commands - it is then very easy to use them when training to ride.
Well yea its a bit young to be broke in but thts up to the owner!
We have a pony come for breaking an schooling at work an we have only just put the side reins on haha an let me tell u tht pong can buck! It hated them an dint want to go forward but its learing that if it doesnt go forward it gets the lung line up its bum!
Very nice. I like that you are keeping your hands forward and staying out of her way when asking for your transition. It is very appropriate to exaggerate to teach, refine as you progress. :)
millshorsemanship 2 days ago
@millshorsemanship "exaggerate to teach, refine as you progress." I LOVE that! So few commenters here seem to understand that concept! I think it's because so few have ever actually "taught" a completely untrained horse...
horsepaintings 1 day ago
Its really good!!! but just one comment, why were you holding your reins so high? i go to riding lessons and im 14 and they tell me off for holding my reins to high :S
ChloeeeBabeeeX 4 months ago
@ChloeeeBabeeeX I believe that with this totally untrained horse, it is one way of exaggerating her cues so that the horse will notice, just like she thumps him with her legs in an extreme manner. Once he learns that her hands and reins and legs mean something to HIM, the rider begins to make the cues more and more subtle and would keep the hands more level and steady. It's such a different thing teaching a horse something for the first time-- they have to learn with practice just like we do!
horsepaintings 4 months ago
cannot believe your teaching a 2 year old to canter already. this horse shouldn't even be backed yet.
sallymsanders 4 months ago
@sallymsanders Please read all the other replies below... he spent all of 10 seconds striking off into 1-2 canter strides, simply so he could feel the rider on his back at that gait. It is not "work" and is not stressful to a sturdy, large-boned warmblood to carry a rider for up to 1/2 hour on the trail, mostly at a walk. THAT was his training. BTW, he is now 6 and has had no ill effects from any of his riding or driving training.
horsepaintings 4 months ago
@HunterJumper9x11 thanks for commenting!
horsepaintings 4 months ago
Beautiful horse and great riding
RockenArab 7 months ago
@RockenArab thanks so much for POSITIVE input! And willingness to consider things differently! From the viewpoint of a totally untrained horse, he NEEDS to be exposed to all sorts of unbalance and activity of the rider so that it won't worry him when the same thing happens later on, outside of the roundpen and with different riders (ME!)
horsepaintings 6 months ago
Usually when you ride...you keep your hands down..And attempt to try and keep the horse between you and the ground...
kDOTsProductions 7 months ago
Wow, all the negative comments on here. I think she did really good for riding a green horse. They aren't balanced very well when you first start riding them and they have to learn to carry a rider. That's what the exercise they're doing is all about. carrying a rider, not turning, stopping, etc. And for all of you that say "eww it's western" or " I only ride english" Broaden your horizons, and you'll see that the basics in all disciplines are the same. Look up the dressage meets cowboy video.
Mdequifever 7 months ago
@Mdequifever Thanks for your insight-- I too am surprised at all the negative comments. People get so stuck in their narrow little viewpoints they lose sight of the big picture! I suspect very very few of them have ever seen a totally untrained horse being started-- they are trying to apply equitation standards. Those come later!
horsepaintings 7 months ago
@horsepaintings Very true! I ride green horses and it's best to get them moving out right away so they're less inclined to buck when you actually do start asking them to canter from cues later. I have a friend that trail rides them to give them experience, but he never does anything but walk them so they don't know how to carry a rider at the canter and explode when asked to do so. He's starting to realize that after getting bucked off several times lol
Mdequifever 7 months ago
tell me about the cross........was the sire arab or or perch....? who was who. he looks like a real sturdy working man
buddymacs 8 months ago
@buddymacs Sire Percheron via AI, mare 7/8 Arabian and 1/8 Connemara. Yes he and his full brother both are sturdy yet not stocky, about 16 hands now, used for carriage driving and pleasure riding. Check out my other more recent vids or my blog :)
horsepaintings 8 months ago
Right first of all this is stupid you should not be cantering him at 2yrs you shouldn't barely be riding him !
and secondly you need to slow the trot down keep your arms down sit in the saddle and give clear commands to him.
if he rushed the trot go to halt and then plan through and start again !
HarveyBubbs 8 months ago
Ok, first point, why are you loping on a horse that does not steer? Stupid and dangerous, about as dumb and doing the same on horse without brakes. What is the point of getting him into the lope only to let him stop after 2 strides? Part of why he is stopping is because the rider is so unbalanced once he lifts into the lope. that is not exaggerated cues, that is unbalanced riding which only serves to teach the horse he can stop as soon as the rider is not sitting stock still.
Try long lining
suziekabluzie 8 months ago
@suziekabluzie They are /Teaching/ him to steer with a rider on his back- their just practicly longeing him with out a line- just a flag.
gallop2theend 7 months ago
@suziekabluzie I agree. There is no reason to get on a horse that hasn't already learned the basics of steering, as it is easy (and easier on the horse) to teach this from the ground. And, a rider truly skilled enough to start greenies would never ride in an unbalanced manner, even when giving strong cues. Besides, that's what the flag man is supposed to be for, to reinforce the cues from the rider. A green horse needs a really balanced rider to help it learn. This one didn't get that.
blkgryphon 7 months ago
@blkgryphon Guess all is well that ends well-- this horse learned plenty enough to go out on trail training shortly after being backed a few times in the roundpen. With no incident or fear of the feel of the rider.
horsepaintings 6 months ago
To ChloeRosie14
Have you ever ridden a horse that hasnt been taught to canter with a rider on? It is very easy to sit back and criticise!
giralia1 8 months ago
your a really bad rider. Maybe your the green one. Green horses are like and sponge and they feed off you, if your flapping your arms and kick kick kickinng.
You should squeeze instead
ChloeRosie14 8 months ago
@ChloeRosie14 Exaggerated cueing is necessary only the first few times. As soon as the horse realizes that the legs "MEAN" something, the thumping is reduced to squeezing. The first few times a totally uneducated horse feels legs on his sides, he has NO IDEA that the rider is trying to tell him something. So you increase the cue until you get a response, then stop cueing. This is pressure and release, pure and simple. And there is no need to insult the trainer/rider.
horsepaintings 8 months ago 3
when i break a horse he knows how to turn first that is part of ground training
22dixon 9 months ago
Good job but sit back and get off his shoulders.
hyperfocus2011 9 months ago
Very bad rider, Doesnt collect the reins when he canters, all slouched over, And UHHGG! Squeeze with your legs once you get him into a canter!!!! That might help!!!!
100mudrider 11 months ago
@100mudrider Thats right!
SanneChannel 10 months ago
bad rider.
22232marijn 11 months ago
@22232marijn You should just be quiet!!!! Your probably not a very good rider yourself! And if she was a bad rider she would definitely NOT be riding a green horse. Don't be stupid. And DO NOT BE RUDE!! The horse is green, so that means that the horse is probably not very balanced, so its most likely hard for the rider to have perfect position. So please, think before you comment.
XxLive4HorsesxX 10 months ago
Posting while trying get the horse to canter ?? Way to confuse the horse even more .. And really dont put your hands way up ..
knicholson1993 11 months ago
Sorry but i thought western riding demonstrated great horsemanship, that just looks like an inexperienced rider bobbing around trying to train a horse.
VerityPrice 11 months ago
hard hat ? BAD EXAMPLE OF RIDING ...
1Biebers 1 year ago
wow, everyone is so judgemental on here. regardless of what discipline you ride, training a horse comes down to pressure and release. what's happening in this video makes perfect sense to me, and excellent description. good job
whitewingeddove 1 year ago
and also umm you also kinda keep falling foreward and seem extremely tense all throughout your body, try relaxing a little more ;)
HorseChickz 1 year ago
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HorseChickz 1 year ago
@HorseChickz We don't wear helmets b/c we focus on COMUNNICATING with our horses unlike you english bitches. You push your horses to the limit and ruin their bodies by the time they reach middle age with all your useless juming, and racing. Every western horse I've been around ENJOYS their job.
horses4evr3 1 year ago
@horses4evr3 actually i like communicating with my horse dam well i ride with a helmet cuz ik horses can naturally spook at things and i wont expect it i've even done a join up 3 times 2 with my horse and one with a lesson horse i used to ride, u dont know what i do to communicate with my horse, im into the alternative remedies and join up and im reading the book getting in TTouch book, my horse cant even jump barely 2 1/2 ft do u think i'd push him any more than i have
HorseChickz 1 year ago
@horses4evr3
You, are an idiot. You may see bad examples of English riding, but I've seen just as many forms of abuse in Western riding, if not more, then in English sports. I've seen heads tied down between their legs, huge spurs and bleeding horses, and very harsh bits that allow it to seem like the horse is being controlled with just the body but is quite opposite. A good English rider believes in being one with their horse and communicating.
enmonjea 1 year ago
@enmonjea Heads tied down between their legs.... rrrright, and what class of western riding was this in? B/c I know for a fact that english is all about the "form" of the horse with their head wrench up high and the neck curved a the top.... you people obviously don't believe that a horse needs to breathe then?
horses4evr3 1 year ago
@enmonjea And don't tell me I needed to be educated in all forms of riding when obviously you have a biased opinion as well. Huge spurs? Never used them in my life and I'm pretty darn sure your discipline uses them way more than we do. Western spurs are just always so often in movies that thats how you people think we ride. And DO NOT even start me on harsh bits. If anyone uses harsh bits it's those who are uneducated or those in English. What does a bit ever have to do with neck reining?
horses4evr3 1 year ago
@enmonjea And until who can tell me what the purpose of English riding exatly is, just give up. At least our discipline has use and a purpose. (minus the barrel racing, pole bending etc.) What exactly is the benefit for the horse for being all un-natural in dressage and the un-natrual/uncomfortable form? Oh right.... you guys get little cool ribbons. Thats all I hear from english riders. Most just care about if they win or not and the horse gets put on the bac burner till the next show.
horses4evr3 1 year ago
@horses4evr3
This is where you lose all credibility. I actually am not biased, I ride Western as well. I am just saying, in training, I have seen lots of bad riding and bad training habits from both sides. I am mainly versed in three day eventing and dressage, so I will speak on that. The purpose is to improve your horse. Every movement is natural, or SHOULD BE. You are to be one with your horse, to speak only with the most subtle movements in your body and legs. There is nothing like it.
enmonjea 1 year ago
@horses4evr3 My horses LOVE their work. Their head carriage is natural. Watch a horse playing out in the field, and then watch a good dressage test. Look similar do they not? The head down to the dirt is Western riding is finally being looked down upon, but at so many local shows in the past I've seen that head tied crap. I've also seen horrible jolting and pulling with those large harsh bits. However, like I said, abuse is in all riding. All sports can be wonderful to behold.
enmonjea 1 year ago
@horses4evr3 And I personally love reining. It has the same concept of Dressage. Balance and ability to carry a rider with ease and respond quickly to the most light commands. I am not an amazing rider, but I know how things should be. And after competing through MANY different sports, I have just found dressage and eventing the most enjoyable for both my horses and myself.
enmonjea 1 year ago
@horses4evr3 Also, in most English sports, our bits MUST be loose or D-rings. The least harsh of any bits. Those with curbs are dangerous to any rider who is even slightly unbalanced. If used correctly, they are fine, but the majority of riders (myself included!) are not ready for them. And I never force my horse on the bit. They are carried lightly with contact to the mouth and I encourage them to pick up their head carriage themselves.
enmonjea 1 year ago
@horses4evr3 -What is WRONG with you? What kind of riding you do has NOTHING to do with how you care for your horse! And cool little ribbons? Well- I'm just happy I don't leave with a fat silver buckle around my waist! This is just stupid! I ride English, and everyone at the barn takes care of their horse just as well, if not BETTER, than western riders! And the purpose? To fall into sink with your horse and blend- to show friendship and trust. Not run around barrels like a maniac.
madcat10201 11 months ago
@horses4evr3 Okay, honey, maybe YOU don't abuse your horses, but I've seen SO much abuse in the Western riding world. Not saying that English disciplines don't have their idiots (Rollkur, for example, is bullshit, as is poling and overworking), but you can't say that Western riders don't abuse their horses at all. I have seen countless instances of barrel & pole-bending & team penning horses yanked in the mouth, overrun, and constant whipping simply for speed in Western events.
hidenseeker424 10 months ago
@horses4evr3 You're also completely incorrect in what the purpose of English riding is. At least in huntseat, it originally began in foxhunting. Dressage, cross-country, and show jumping were originally used in military competition to train horses for agility, precision, and bravery in the field. I never won a single ribbon with my horse, but we had fantastic communication, and he is a great athlete.
hidenseeker424 10 months ago
@horses4evr3 And, finally, horses can breathe just fine in a frame. Putting a horse into that movement improves topline muscle, which supports the horse's ability to carry a rider. Tell me, how many rodeo horses are able to comfortably and calmly ride with their heads down? A PROPER frame (and there are certainly people who abuse it) requires dexterity and concentration for a horse and rider to maintain. It in NO WAY hurts the horse, when done correctly.
hidenseeker424 10 months ago
@horses4evr3 And to put everything in perspective, that horse of mine who's a great athlete? Never used anything stronger than a full-cheek snaffle on him. He has perfectly round, smooth, balanced motion, both on the flat and over fences. He is fine-tuned to my signals, and I to his. If he was being abused, do you REALLY think he'd put up with it? When he's 16.2hh and I'm 4'11"?
hidenseeker424 10 months ago
@hidenseeker424 i can definately see what youre saying and i agree for the most part, i think youre very well spoken and stated your point well, but i just wanted to add that not all western riding are speed events and classes, theres trail and western pleasure classes in show, not saying that theres no mistereatment at horse shows either, its all about the handler, but i definately agree with your statement about abuse isnt about the discipline :)
echo3rhythm 10 months ago
@horses4evr3
From a dressage and eventing perspective, that is our primary focus... communication. We are all riders, and all good riders and horsemen are the same, no matter the discipline. I would never generalize an entire population such as you did. You really must become educated in all forms of riding, not just shoveled into yours.
enmonjea 1 year ago
@HorseChickz They need to in order to do their job right and have fun. You guys just pull out your whips and hit them to death till they go over that stupid 2 ft piece of plastic. All just so you get your stupid little ribbon and you can ignore them till your next show and to show off. Least a lot of the activities we western people do have a use!!
horses4evr3 1 year ago
@horses4evr3 like i said before i dont like to push my horse, any horse i agree with you totaly most english people just take out their stupid crops and whips when their horse could be in pain, thats also why i dont like racing, someof the horses love to run but what if they dont and if they slow down they just smak them with a crop! i totally get where ur coming from, and idk if i said this cuz i have CRS ,cant remember shit but i dont think i said everyone uses the horn, its just a bad crutch
HorseChickz 1 year ago
@HorseChickz Oh and the little horn comment.... actually know the damn discipline before hating on it. You obviously don't know what it is their for because us riders that know how to ride, DON'T use the use to help us
horses4evr3 1 year ago
He looks more like a bay to me, not a green horse? Jokes :P
fram3work 1 year ago
Everyone has their own way of training, but if I were the trainer, I would master steering and walk trot transitions first. And if I asked for the canter, I would sit (not post) and squeeze with my outside leg behind the girth. If he didn't bounce into it, I would slow down to a steady trot and try again. That teaches the horse not to speed trot into the canter, bur pick it up right away. :) my oppinion.
hunterjumper9799 1 year ago
hes not green
sammalini852 1 year ago
@sammalini852 he he! "Green" means a horse or rider is basically untrained or not very experienced. This horse is just starting his under-saddle training.
horsepaintings 1 year ago 5
@horsepaintings i was just joking lol
sammalini852 1 year ago
@sammalini852 That's cool, I just thought some people reading might not know the term!
horsepaintings 1 year ago
@horsepaintings i know it :D i have well i used to have 2 Black Egyptian Arabian horses, named Magic and Star , but my grandma sold them to some people in Idaho , i was sad , but now i am getting a new horse her name i flicka and she is the same breed and color as magic and star did
sammalini852 1 year ago
@horsepaintings Green means the horse is fresh broke. And still learning. It has nothing to do with the rider.
kDOTsProductions 11 months ago
All i am saying is that when you hold the reains you are supost to hold them down(not touching the neck) and together :)
MegaDannyboii 1 year ago
Does everyone who is saying a negative comment break horses?? I doubt it. I have broken many horses for pay and I also teach riding lessons and I think she did a pretty damn good job and it is very nerve racking to canter a horse for the first time. There is no one correct way to train a horse. I have never worn a helmet in my life. If you know how to protect yourself when you fall off you shouldnt hit your head.
jesfuq 1 year ago
@jesfuq u no thats extremely dangerous to ride a horse without a helmet, would you put a 5 yr old on a horse without a helmet ;) yeah thats right i DIDNT think so... also u no maybe your just the only perfect person in the world and apparently were such bad riders that we know totaly whar to do all the time when we fall off cuz u no when i fall of i SURE dont plan it so i really dont think to cover my head, but what the heck! maybe im just retarded 4 not doing it!
HorseChickz 1 year ago
@HorseChickz well actually I do put 5 yr olds on a horse without a helmet if they are going slow. My point is that I thought the girl did a pretty good job of riding the canter on the green horse. This is not about attacking people, which is the whole point of me opening my mouth to begin with.
jesfuq 1 year ago
pretty horse sucky and stupid ridder cantering the first time without a helmet and not keeping ur hands still nice job nott very smart nott
mangotango2000 1 year ago
was she honestly trying to canter from a posting trot
Theataskinen 1 year ago
Interesting that all comments here from people who think they know more than the next person, are not willing to sign their real name to their posts. If Heath Ryan himself made a comment, I would take very careful consideration of what he was saying, negative or positive because he is a proven expert. I think 2 is a good time to start a horse out. I am no expert, but I have my just 2 yr old going next week to be broken and the expert has no problem with his age. REAL NAME - Kylie. Hogan
tcb4artists 1 year ago
@tcb4artists I agree w/ you. Almost every person I know started training/ breaking their horses to ride at 2.
caitywood386 1 year ago
@caitywood386 Thanks for commenting-- he was and is fine and totally sound barefooted (age 5 now). He's used for carriage driving and trail riding (see more recent vids of him and his full brother.)
horsepaintings 1 year ago
@tcb4artists Thank you Kylie. Good luck with your own 2 yr. old-- this guy is now 5 and a wicked nice-- and totally sound-- horse! He's used for carriage driving and trail riding (see recent vids of him here.) Connie Moses
horsepaintings 1 year ago
Clinton Anderson is so great. His methods really do work.
In my opinion....which you can take whatever way you want......I think that the person middle with the stick should only help you achieve more forward motion if your cues aren't working. Another thing I noticed is that when your horse stops cantering, there is no reinforcement to stay in that gait. I understand that he is a green horse but when you ask him to canter, he should not slow until asked to.
AgentPeachPuff 1 year ago
@AgentPeachPuff Realize that this horse has never before cantered with a person on his back.Trying to make him maintain a canter would be asking way too much of him for the first time-- right now he is only being shown that it's OK for him to canter and that he CAN do it while still balancing a rider, so that he won't get worried about it The trainer with the flag is the primary one cueing his movement at this point, until he learns the rider's signals. THanks for commenting!
horsepaintings 1 year ago
<3 DownUnder Horsemanship <3 Great job. i read that he turned out great! Good for you. Clinton's methods have helped me sooo much so i am sad when i read all the negative comments from people who dont understand them because they are missing out.
barnbrunette15 1 year ago
@barnbrunette15 Clinton's methods are successful and generally in tune with the horse, I like him a lot. However, I have seen vid of him riding/reining a 2 yr. old that was WAY TOO trained for that young IMO, implying a LOT of training under saddle at an early age. The training on my horse here was exceedingly light and easy compared to what Clinton's horse was doing...
horsepaintings 1 year ago
EWWW ITZ WESTERN
mrsmysterygirl123 1 year ago
Is that Gelinas Farm?
horseloverforever11 1 year ago
@horseloverforever11 Yes it IS Gelinas Farm! Joanne in the center. Great trainer, was using natural horsemanship methods nearly 20 years ago.
horsepaintings 1 year ago
@horsepaintings Awesome! I ride there in the summer.
horseloverforever11 1 year ago
I'm no western rider but that rider seemed pretty ermmm, enthusiatic to complete her aids?
Himolly12 1 year ago
@Himolly12 Aids have to be given in exaggerated manner in the beginning so that the horse realizes you are asking it to do something. Once horse learns that, you gradually reduce the activity level of the aids until he responds to just the slightest subtle cue. This is how initial first training is different from riding on an already-trained horse!
horsepaintings 1 year ago
@horsepaintings I know that, alongside my mum I've broken quite a few horses for eventing.. The only time I've ridden an 'already trained' horse was when I was young, learning to ride, since then I've broken my warmblood mare Onclado myself, I know how to start a horses learning and I'm sorry those aids were simply ridiculous.
Himolly12 1 year ago
@horsepaintings but in all fairness, I ride english, not western, perhaps it is different when it comes to starting a horse...
Himolly12 1 year ago
@Himolly12 Just different techniques to accomplish the same results.
horsepaintings 1 year ago
2 year old horses shouldn't be cantering under saddle. 4 year olds shouldn't even be learning to canter under saddle. Your horse is going to have problems when he reaches his senior years. HELLO ARTHRITIS!!!
ratmaniac01 1 year ago
cantering a green horse that has never cantered undersaddle without a helmet?
smart.
beautiful horse though.
angel14221 1 year ago
@angel14221 UR right, a helmet SHOULD ALWAYS be used. Many riders, especially western, just don't but they should.
horsepaintings 1 year ago
not to be rude but i dont think training at such a young age (under saddle) is such a great idea... but then again thats just my opinion that i wanted to put out there...but it did a good job for barely being trained.:)
MissEquestrian11 1 year ago
i absolutely love this horse! but i strongly disagree with not training a horse to properly steer first
pshxmurr 1 year ago
@pshxmurr Well he is having his direction of movement controlled, by the handler in the center, thus he is learning being steered by reins through association. One step at a time. He is learning how to carry and balance a rider. He will learn steering on the trail in ways that make sense to him, such as turning around trees and through bends in the trail, following the lead of a horse in front of him. This is the part of training that is more "natural" from the horse's point of view!
horsepaintings 1 year ago
guys 2 is NOT too young to be started undersaddle! horses are being raced at 2 and this horse is merely just now learning undersaddle. granted racehorses are pushed way to far way too fast but this horse, he knows cues from a flag and is then in the video learning the same cues but from a rider. i myself am training a 3yo at the moment who was *shocker* started when she was 2. its perfectly fine as long as you keep it light and simple
cheepooluvr 1 year ago
@cheepooluvr Thanks for your comments-- What is "shocker" starting?
horsepaintings 1 year ago
Okay that sound makes this video sound very creepy, kind of like and old rickety video camera. And btw, what's up with the arms?
TzarodePluum 1 year ago
@TzarodePluum Yeh my little point N shoot is creepy... the arms are exaggerated cues used at the VERY start of training, to help the horse realize he is supposed to be responding, ie. going faster. Once he understands, you reduce the intensity of the signals/cues, using as little cue as necessary to get the desired response-- always with the goal of using the lightest cue possible. Classic Clinton Anderson or any other natural trainer.
horsepaintings 1 year ago
You can train at two but you have to be very careful at what you train them to do the weight ect. I have seen two year old race horses being trained before... they dont reach there full potential height or health
I MIGHT be getting a younger 4yr old Holsteiner gelding, Jungle Book, going to check him out Monday, 5th July.
He has never been cantered, only trotted & walked. He is a sweet heart.
I have taught horses to ride well they were older horses that has 'some kind' of training.
Any tips?
JustRuthiey 1 year ago
aww cute my shetland is 2 and i have sat on him bareback and he is perfectly fine
jessforhobbit12 1 year ago
By watching this I have a very hard time believing so. At the least, remain opened minded, since you probably have been doing this for years, just realize we are all learners. Just wait, our horse is worth waiting for.
stevielover08 1 year ago
I suppose you could start your horse now, if you must, for example like reining or barrels, but you can wait. I started my horse at five for reining some may say to late, but he is coming along quite well. Albeit, you are using that horse for trail, so it isn't necessary to immediately start training. Please take into consideration your young horse's well being. Don't you want it to have a zestful and sensational life?
stevielover08 1 year ago
@stevielover08 The reason for starting young is that the younger they are, the more easily they adapt to new things. We're not talking about reining or barrels or schooling or exercising in a ring, simply preparing the horse to go out on trails and be EXPOSED to new stimuli. Now at age 5, almost all his training has been in real world situations, and he is very tolerant of all kinds of things. Also very willing to learn and to try whatever is asked of him.
horsepaintings 1 year ago
@horsepaintings When you are asking for the canter you always sit during that short trotting period, even if you are just starting out.
Firetailfox234 1 year ago
Also, when teaching a new horse, he must learn things for himself. If he were cantering in the paddock, his head would more or less have the same degree of angle. The rider is encouraging him to learn for himself, rather than doing it for him, which results in a heavy handed, reliant horse. This is exactly how i teach a new horse, keep it up :)
MoNgOoSeSxiNxmYxbEd 1 year ago
@MoNgOoSeSxiNxmYxbEd Thanks a lot for your comments! This horse is almost 5 now, and super light and responsive, and curious, willing, and interested in learning!
horsepaintings 1 year ago
Come on people, Thoroughbreds are raced at 2. All depends on how well and fast the horse has matured. For example, my 2 year old still looks like a big foal, so I am leaving his in-saddle training till later. 5 is rather late to be breaking in a horse, and is unfair on the horse as the older he gets, the less accepting to new things he is. For me to break in a horse at 2, he would have to be bulked out and well muscled with a mature look about him, and you only ride them lightly, as above
MoNgOoSeSxiNxmYxbEd 1 year ago
everyone has there opinions, and concerns, but i have trained all of my horses around the age of 2 and 3, with no problems. as long as your doing light work and riding, there is nothing wrong with that. now as for cattle work, or barrel racing and stuff like that, then i would wait till they are 4 or 5 to start training. guess my point is this, there is nothing wrong with the way they are training this horse, and the age of the horse, and she is NOT to heavy for this horse even at the age of 2!!
bella44darkeve20 1 year ago
@bella44darkeve20 Thank you for your comments. This is an older video-- this horse (almost 5 now) AND also his older brother, who is now 7 years old, were both saddle-trained at 2 years old, also taught to drive starting at 2. AS YOU SAID, they had light, non-stressful intro to both skills. Never hard "work" as it was meant to be enjoyable at their age. Never had any unsoundness in either of them as a result. What DID happen is they both remain very willing, soft, and easy to train today.
horsepaintings 1 year ago
@horsepaintings i thought you did an awesome job at training this horse, and i really love the arab/percheron cross!!
bella44darkeve20 1 year ago
A 2yr old horse shouldnt be ridden yet! it should still be out in the pastures with its same age group herd, and let him be a youngster until hes full grown, no 2 yr old horse is fully grown!
Littlebearcutie 1 year ago
@Littlebearcutie @Littlebearcutie Please read all of description and see more recent vids-- please perceive the difference between being simply on a horse's back and actual hard working/riding of the horse. This horse is almost 5 now and has never taken an unsound step. He pulls carriages too (also since age 2), both single and in pair with his brother. His mind is willing and curious and he is an in-your-pocket kind of guy, obviously never been overworked or soured..
horsepaintings 1 year ago
@horsepaintings
I have read the description thoroughly and it still does not explain why you are asking this very young horse to perform with (no offense is here intended) what appears to be a fairly heavy rider and saddle. There is a difference between just sitting on a horse and working/riding as you put it, however, either cause pressure on the young and underdeveloped structures of the horses anatomy.
This horse is too young full stop top be doing this sort of work!
InkyFairy 1 year ago
@horsepaintings
I have to agree with Littlebearcutie. A 2 year old - of any breed - is too young to be carrying the weight of a rider, regardless of the purpose. Basically, most horses shouldn't be ridden till the age of 4, some late-developers not till the age of 5. But most humans are too impatient to wait for the appropriate time.
jyttec 1 year ago
@jyttec Not impatient, but rather fully mindful of how INTRODUCTION at an early age to its intended lifestyle is beneficial to the young horse. Handled since birth, taught to respond to pressure since a day old, ponied beside mom mare since 2 weeks old, ground driven as a yearling and hitched to lightweight cart at 2... This horse at almost 5 now and his full brother age 7 were both started this way, and are are both very soft, willing, and easy to train today. AND totally sound and barefoot.
horsepaintings 1 year ago
@horsepaintings i totally see where you are coming from!!!!
xXGrandPrixWannabeXx 1 year ago
@jyttec i deff get what ur saying, but i think just getting on for 5 mins and only walking or standing is ok for them to get used to it but i totally agree about legit riding, racing,jumping, herding, exc. on a young horse (:
xXGrandPrixWannabeXx 1 year ago
@xXGrandPrixWannabeXx Starting him in this manner never hurt him at all, he has always been sound, has never acted sour, and today he is almost 5-- drives and rides on streets and trails. Still in training, as they are pretty much all their lives, aren't they? Thanks for your comments!
horsepaintings 1 year ago
@horsepaintings no i totally agree with you but a few other people thot that just bc you were riding him a little ment that you were completly training him but i totally agree i do the same thing with all my youngsterss (:
xXGrandPrixWannabeXx 1 year ago
Okay, you need to do more ground work on this horse if he still can't steer. I just broke two wonderful rocky mountian horses, and they could steer, and listen to voice cues. Go back and despook and do more ground work
ArablvrXoXo 1 year ago
@ArablvrXoXo Please read ALL of description and see more recent vids-- please perceive the difference between being steered by the rider and having his movement DIRECTED by the trainer on the ground. He was despooked thru ground handling 3-4 weeks before he was ever backed. He pulls carriages too (also since age 2), both single and in pair with his brother. His mind is willing and curious and he is an in-your-pocket kind of guy, obviously has never been overworked or soured.
horsepaintings 1 year ago
I thought for riding you have to have your elbows at your sides and not way out like that....that would hurt your arms seems like?
blackbird7194 1 year ago
@blackbird7194 It's simply the very first stage of training, you have to exaggerate your cues by being as active as needed to get the horse to understand what you want-- THEN you begin to make your aids more subtle!
horsepaintings 1 year ago
were u waering spurs??
polkadottedponys 1 year ago
@polkadottedponys I'm not really sure but it does look like she might be wearing English-type spurs, but definitely not rowels. If so, she is very used to wearing spurs. The lady on the horse is the trainer's assistant.
horsepaintings 1 year ago
I like your idea of training on the trail. But I gotta tell you- it's pretty funny to click on a video that says 'first canter under saddle' then read 'he has not yet learned steering'. It made me chuckle. But I have no desire to make fun of you or your training, have fun and good luck on the trail learning to turn.
jawbreaker90210 1 year ago
all i can say is GOOD JOB!!!! seriously! nice seat!!
prohorsegirl12 1 year ago
2 years old??? thats a little young to start riding a horse.....
birdgirl10 1 year ago
I just bought a green horse and the first time she had been cantered.. she lunged into it and i almost fell off LOL
kassi890 1 year ago
getting on a 2 yr old can make her sway-back which would effect there riding so next time be please dont ruin there back!
addictedtohorzez 1 year ago
What is that noise????? it's quite distracting, also funny haha. My horse is 3 I started her when she was 2,5 with ground work, and had rides no longer than 10 minutes before she was 3, now they are a bit longer and i've gotten her to canter. I am not pushing her at all, I let her canter if she wants to, and when she slows down, it's ok. She has to find her balance, when I notice she does, that's when I start asking more of her. There's nothing wrong with starting a younger horse just respect it
kryssje 2 years ago
its perfectly fine to break 2 yr olds.. just dont work them hard. i train for western pleasure so I usually only train them for a walk & trot the first year then move on to the canter when they are 3
haysweny 2 years ago
well, dont u know that 'Cossy1065' knows it ALL?!? She attended college 4 horse anatomy & physiology (LMAO)! She's show jumping her 3 yr old! which means she started jumping b4 3..(shaking head in disbelief). xtreme comments amuse me. I've been working w/horses for 28 yrs (FACT).. continue learning new techniques DAILY. I'd never assume 2 know whats best 4 any horses outside my own. BUT.. 3 is 2 young 2 jump w/weight no matter where u went to school or live (also FACT)
Evalani22 2 years ago
OK, people if u train horses u know that each is different & will reach goals accordingly. I started my warmblood under saddle at 2yrs, hes almost 3 & I've yet 2do more than trot under saddle- BUT- I know if I wanted 2 canter under saddle, he's a draft cross & can physically handle it, but mentally I dont feel hes ready, so I don't.
However, every1 must remember all horses r not created equal & training is developed 4 ea as an individual. No cookie cutter routine will fit all horses
Evalani22 2 years ago
@Evalani22
its good to get all the different speeds in fast. that way if he spooks and takes off he will not freak out even more because he doesnt know what it feels like to canter with someone on his back. its helps to get him through all the gaits then you can work him at watever speed you want. :) but like you siad there are always different ways to train a horse
00horsecrazy00 2 years ago
good point! see, this is why networking is helpful. :) I honestly never thought of it in that light. Thanks for your insight, and your vids... your horses are beautiful.
Evalani22 2 years ago
haha thanks ya im selling the paint if you want one haha :)
00horsecrazy00 2 years ago
thanx 4 your comments!
horsepaintings 2 years ago
you started your horse at 2!!!! WTF you really should start a horse till its 3 to allow their bones time to fuse and allow growth plates to finish growing that is so stupid! i started my dutch warmblood tb at 3 just under 3 months ago and she is walk trot canter and comepting at her first showjumping comp in the next couple weeks and she hacks alone and in company she loads and has had her first set of shoes on there is no need to start your horse so young stupid stupid stupid!
Cossy1065 2 years ago
wow you feel pretty strongly about that
ellsybellsysmellsy 2 years ago
yes i do because when a horse is strated that young no matter how light the rider unless its a child a small child it stops bone growth and makes a horse more prone to laminitus at a younger age its bad for the horse
Cossy1065 2 years ago
but jumping at 3 is ok? yeah, you know what you are doing.
Evalani22 2 years ago
it does not stop bone growth, taking him for walks, teaching him to trot, at 15.3hh, big build, will NOT cause laminitis. LOL.. I am sorry, but really, you should do more research before commenting. the workload he has at 2 is so light his bones will not "stop" growing.. that is seriously the funniest thing I ever heard. stop growing. laminitis. jumping b4 joints are closed (xrays to confirm @ 4yrs) will cause career suicide, not my training my yearling. Cossy, we all have an opinion.
Evalani22 2 years ago
i did do research unlike u
addictedtohorzez 1 year ago
cossy@
Agreed i do research
addictedtohorzez 1 year ago
want to talk about stupid do we??? Jumping any horse before 4, yes 4, is stupid! Now, who'd the dumb one? certainly not me... lotsa experts out here in you tube land.. you go JUMP your 3 yr old, see how long his career will last.. I saddle broke at 2, doesn't mean I do anything hard... go destroy your horse's joints. Have fun. My horse will be just fine, he turns 3 in May.. and will NOT be shown anything more than in hand until he is ready.
Evalani22 2 years ago
@Evalani22
I know how it feels, my horse is undersaddle and had been for a few months, yet she doesnt respond, and idk what else to do, we finally trot but are nowhere ready for a canter, and i couldnt get her there if i tried. she rears all the time , and its becoming worse again, we were outta tht habit:/ you have any ideas?
horserider71494 1 year ago
The transitions were wonderful for being a two year old. I myself like to be careful and give em plenty of time with W/T before i canter em, but i don't think a few strides would bow his tendons. It's kind of sad how people over-react. >_>
Wahotts 2 years ago
omg i know!
BessKeptSecert 2 years ago
THanks, and I agree, there are a lot of extremist comments on YT...
horsepaintings 2 years ago
Oh and to the people saying it will ruin him... I'm 100% certain he does an awful lot more when turned out in the field than the couple of strides of canter done here.
shagakah 2 years ago
It's a different training method than I'm used to, but he seemed very accepting to the rider and the goings ons around him. I work mostly with race horses, where long reining and making the mouth comes long before getting on, but every trainer has their own methods so I'm not going to discourage this, the horse seems happy and healthy so why should I? Well done, he's lovely, and seems to have a nice accepting temperment.
shagakah 2 years ago
WOW! this needs TONS of work!!....First off- you should teach a horse steering before even considering to get on his back- let alone trotting or even cantering!! Then you must get a seat!! A horse will never ride right if its not comforable. You should not be pushing a two year old like this... maybe some light walking\trotting but NOT cantering!
daddygirl891 2 years ago
well let's see... first there were 3 canter strides, then there were 5 in a row, then 2 or 3. Somehow I don't think this is going to break down this horse. As I explain in the description, this is simple prep for going out on trail in company of other horses, where he will be taught steering in a way that makes sense to him, and he'll carry a rider at 3 gaits and discover he can balance his rider. He did, he never had any problems, and now 2 yrs. later he drives and rides, light as a feather.
horsepaintings 2 years ago
you need to teach that horse about cues and some reining first! Control and saftey are a big must in first trotting, cantering!
my17time 2 years ago
This is prep for a pretty different way of training, where he will go out on trail rides and learn to go along in the company of other horses and do what they are doing. THis is/was done before cues or reining or anything. Learning by doing.
BTW, this vid was 2 years ago and his training has been mostly as a carriage horse! He pleasure trail rides too, and is now schooling under saddle.
horsepaintings 2 years ago
Actually, no. The first thing you need to establish is forward movement, and THEN teach cues, especially with a colt, because at that stage of their training, you're just sacking them out with your body.
BarrelsPolesandJack 2 years ago
I like that description! You're so right too, going forward is first, next comes steering and stopping. And when I first got on him a few days after this, it was fine with me that the trainer had already done some flopping around on top of him. He learned not to be worried about it!
horsepaintings 2 years ago
dont u teach a horse to steer before cantering?
cute horse by the way!
pinkweaselgirl 2 years ago
Don't have too-- in this case his path is shaped by the round pen and the handler in the center directs his steering. (He was already practiced at being round-penned.)
horsepaintings 2 years ago
2 year old? you known that you can destroy the horse. and the rider sit wrong
FreddyOgSigrid 2 years ago
Odd way of training horses... I think rider should support the movement of horse by perfect balance, as soon as it comes to canter. What I see here is total unbalance. I think you should'nt act as if the horse does not know how to canter.
shyn4 2 years ago 6
It knows it perfectly, you just should support him with your seet - thats all. Becouse it is so uneasy for horse to find his balanse with rider on his back... You do even worse, the opposite - the horse will remember cantering like this as unpleasant, not comfortable thing.
shyn4 2 years ago 2
As we know, horses allways seek for comfort - this is what should be used for training... Riders seet is one and most important aid for all horses - on it depends the balance.. I think riding is all about natural things - natural responses of the horse to every move you make.
shyn4 2 years ago 2
And when the horse is rushing on his pace, with nose pointed up - it is unhappy and unwilling to carry the rider, it is not working with his back - that couses some serious problems later...
Another thing - when you train the horse free or on the lunge line to react to the voice commands - it is then very easy to use them when training to ride.
shyn4 2 years ago
Looking great Keep up good work :) looks as if he is going to be a great ride when experianced :)
3114x 2 years ago
Well yea its a bit young to be broke in but thts up to the owner!
We have a pony come for breaking an schooling at work an we have only just put the side reins on haha an let me tell u tht pong can buck! It hated them an dint want to go forward but its learing that if it doesnt go forward it gets the lung line up its bum!
sorreliscool 2 years ago