its crazy how even after the 11 finals & the 10' playoffs in which lebron quit during the series with boston ppl can even still try & debate the lebron is the better player.....say what you want about kobe not shaking hands & always blaming others but he dont quit....he got the right to talk shit cuz he is the leader in l.a.
seriously... people need to shut up with the Horry 7 Rings crap... Role Players can't be considered the same as Star Players in terms of rings... You can say he's the best role player ever with 7 Rings, but to say he's better than Kobe or Lebron is just ridiculous... he has never even reached star status, how can he be in the conversation with those two...
,,,,,,,,,,,,,Kobe won Back to Back 09 and 10, without another HOFer in his team. MJ, Magic, Larry, Russell, Chamberlin, West, All of them have at least one other HOFer,,,,,,,,,
@noformstyle Uhh, his three other championships were won with Shaq? The last two were just because this modern NBA is just pathetic, but still gotta give him credit.
@stallionplaya52 Read my post again, I wrote 09 and 10 ONLY : )),,, Modern NBA is pathetic ??? with Lebron, Dwade, Durant, Howard, Kidd, Dirk, Melo, Rose, Garnett, Ray Allen, Chris Paul, D. William,Nash, Rondo,,,come on,,,Players are faster, stronger, jump higher,,plus Defensive minded players like Artest, Bell, Battier, Grant,,which we only have 2 in 90s, MJ and Dumar etc...90s is the worst, only MJ was worth watching....80s, you got Lakers and Celtics.
@noformstyle Well, just by you saying "the '90s was the worst" I now know you were probably born in '98 and you never had a chance to watch. And you've gotta be kidding me about the defense stuff. Defense was a lot tougher in the '90s, you have no idea. NBA players today just look like a bunch of robots who have no emotion, you never see any more trash talking or big fights or rivalries. Any player back then in his prime would destroy anyone today.
@stallionplaya52 It's tough ONLY in handchecks, but handchecks from a single defender is not as tough as Zone Defense where Big Guys just wait near the paint all day.
,,,,80s I watched Magic and Bird, 90s I watched MJ, 20s Modern Basketball, I watched Shaq,Lebron, Dwade, Durant, Kobe, Howard, Kidd, Dirk, Melo, Rose, Garnett, Ray Allen, Chris Paul, D. William,Nash, Rondo,,,,,...... If Modern Basketball sucks then DON'T WATCH IT EVER.........By the way, this Video is on Modern Players,,
my opinion, lebron doesnt have nearly the heart and fire as kobe bryant does or MJ, yes he has the tools and skills but id call him a little selfish, i do not hate lebron, i actually like the way he plays,but in my eyes he is overrated as to being GREAT. heres something that seprates the goods, from the greats, related to lebron. Dirk has played about 14 yrs in the nba, and all years have been with the mavs. he waited it out when they were down, and didnt leave after 5 years. now hes a champ.
Wait a sec on there putting kobe with MJ. You said HEART? Kobe is just as bad as Lebron. Remember the SWEEP from the MAVS? Kobe shot like shit. He gave up. Last year he was 6 for 21 in the FINAL GAME SEVEN last year. Heart my ass?
Kobe also grabbed 15 rebounds in game 7, and scored 10 points in the 4th quarter, when all other 9 players on the court were shitting their pants. Lebron roughly scored over 10 points in all 4th quarters combined in these finals. Kobe had nothing left in the tank. He played the entire playoffs on one knee, and still was able to outperform his peers in the crucial moments. Having heart is the innate desire to still want it more than everyone else when things aren't going your way.
lebron & wade = 2 of the top 3 in the nba, + Bosh, anthony Haslum & a shit load of knock down shooters an Bron still couldnt win lmaooooooooooooooooooooo
every kobe hater wants to point out irrelevant things first of all lebron is a great thrasher to the rim cant deny it very athletic now you say kobe sucks why is it that kobe gets the lakers in the 4th quarter WHEN IT MATTERS gets it done most of the time and lebron definitely does not have the jump shot that kobe has so kobe as an all around player is better in that aspect the only thing that lebron has on his side is the freakish athleticism which in part has not got him a championship
This is all the media's fault, because they only show the greatness of lebron even at his worse. like when lebron scored 20+ straight agianst the Pistons to help his team win the game, the media was so amazed. but when Kobe put an onslaught on the celtics in game 5 of the FINALS, the media called kobe selfish, see the difference? If Kobe didn't put that barrage, they would have beaten by 30+ points.
Oh okay, so lebron isnt as good as Kobe because of the rings? Ok I get it, so since Brian Scalebrini has a couple rings, that means he is better then Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Lebron James, Kevin Durant and Carmelo?
@MovegasPhilms Dude you're just playing dumbshit in here, dont have any common sense? Were talking about the leaders of the championship team, that's why we can put the RINGS in the argument bet Kobe and Lebron, even though we shouldn't compare them, cos IT's NOT EVEN CLOSE. d-WADE is even better than lebron as team player. PERIOD
@elcid008 ....actually lebron is better than wade as a team player.....and thats no diss on wade...both put kobe to shame.....
u might wanna check how the cavaliers did after lebron.....need i say more?....he took a bunch of pathetic nobodys and people held him to a championship standard with those losers
@shaqpopcorn34 for one when lebron left, like 5 others did too so dont talk shit about kobe or the cavs. kobe is at the championship standard and always will be. so fuck lebron and all u fags
kobe watched shaq get handed 3 finals mvps.....lmaoooo....
kobe has 11 years being coached by phil jackson,more than any player phil has coached......kobe is a loser who sidekicks his way to rings through dominant bigs...
thats why in 3 yrs with no shaq or gasol....he failed to win a round...people say he didnt have anybody those years....bullshit...thats nba reality for most player....most guys dont have prime shaq,gasol and phil jackson
@shaqpopcorn34 phil is just a coach and at least kobe stays with the same team and isnt a ban wagon jumper like lebron. lebron is a self centered fucking fag that is scared to take chances, even MJ said that it was wrong and he would have never did it and u know anything that comes out of MJ mouth it means something. its true that kobe didnt win in those three years but u also now that u cant win every year. And if the lakers traded gasol, they still would have won, know if we lost andrew bynum
@Legitimatelyy ......lmaoooo....why would kobe leave a historic franchise and the best coach ever?.....lmaooooo....he wasnt in a completely irrelevant city like cleveland surrounded by losers yet held to a championship standard.....kobe demanded a trade in 2007......until he learned his team was getting pau gasol for kwame brown...lmaooooo
kobe=sidekick for life....kobe couldnt win a round in 3 yrs without shaq or gasol.....the man is a career sidekick lolololololololololol
@shaqpopcorn34 i look at it like this u like lebron i like kobe we can go back and forth. i like kobe and thats that i is the greatest and lebron sucks to me thanks and have a good day
@shaqpopcorn34 Thats the same reason why Jordan played for 6 years and never won anything the Pippen joins the Bulls and the rest is history!.. Its a team sport, no one does it alone..
@shaqpopcorn34 And the fact that the cavs lost key players to injuries and trade along with Lebron means nothing, right?
At least when the Lakers lose, Kobe is still the last guy fighting, hustling for balls and baskets long after the game has already been decided. Forget about the 4th quarter, Lebron checked out of the finals with GAMES left to play.
@eugimon HAHAHA! Are u serious! Kobe is the last guy fighting OMG holy shit! Anytime the Lakers are getting beat badly in the 4th Quarter, Kobe starts blaming his teammates and turns in to a selfish prick on the court. Just watch how he'll be with Mike Brown.
I rather have 5 rings than some regular season wins! It must hurt more to lose a championship than to loose a regular season game by far!! Malone-stockton, MJ-Pippen, Magic-Kareem,Barckley-Kevin Jhonson, I can go on and on players with go to guys! But all this guys had pride and work really hard and I want to bet even though they didn't get a ring they fought as hard as they could without the help of 2 of the top players of their TIME!! keep on praising this Lebron whos a 2 face and who will s
Gasol is no Mega star like Bosh and Wade now if Kobe would of had Howard and C.Paul, 3-2 years ago then is a different story. Let's compare apples with apples.!!
@ghiblix2 So why people keep saying Kobe owns Lebron?, woah congratz you know tha difference between both!, you sure? wade 20p, bosh 24, lebron 19, 9 ast, 8 rebounds almost triple douible again, yeah and Christmas day also. Go cry Kobe dickrider LOL you just dont know how to blame me more haha
@ghiblix2 10/15 raping Kobe, since he was in Cavs, and last nite, if you cant take he Heat get the f*uck out the kitchen. Oh and gasol is foward, nice! you can google it gratz!.
@ghiblix2 You didnt say anything about lebron james, but you have the guts to replay one of my comments where i was talking about him and kobe? and bring shaq to the table? blame shaq all you want tho, i don't like him anyways lol, i don't know what are trying to blame shaq all the time in your comments, and i don't wanna repeat why MYSELF bring shaq to the table because apparently you don't know how to read. LBJ who? the one who rapes Kobe everytime they meet.
@ghiblix2 Once again, you are talking crap about shaq when he left the lakers I DONT CARE ABOUT SHAQ damn hes a old man that doesn't care what hes doing hes just joining all the nba teams already.
@ghiblix2 Oh man..are you..? god..please tell me name of the video, let me help you.."What's The difference between Lebron & Kobe ?" thats the reason im talking about lebron, second, you REPLY one of my first comments against @2ne1cra that he is talking crap about LEBRON and kobe, i ALWAYS was talking kobe performance, comparing Lebron performance is because the NAME OF THIS VIDEO IS WHATS THE DIFFERENCE, everybody says that RINGS makes Kobe better than Lebron and IS NOT because Kobe ALWAYS
@ghiblix2 I made that? What kind of hater you are? Did the bulls win championships when he left? did i say Kobe sucks? I only say that those stats (SEARCH FOR THEM).. LEARN SOME, Shaq was the leader of those SEASONS 2000-02 (i put the years there also) learn to READ too, that's why shaq left because all of you Kobe dickriders think he was the one who put the lakers on top and was shaq, and now he needs gasol because 03-08 they cant do shit, wow they get to the finals big deal....
Lakers got artest and every one said that this guy was a problem player,that Lakers were going to suffer. Why did LA let go of Ariza! Admitted!! Phill knows how to make players like Artest and Rodman play, and also most players need a go to Guy! MJ,Scotty Pippen and Malone,Stockton. .....Lebron,Wade,Bosh,Bibby,who alse?
Name me how many MEGA STARS did the lakers have 3 years ago cause u can't say Lamar was one!...,Bynum,Farmar,Sasha,DJBenga,Walton,Powell,Ariza? This guys are not mega stars, some were rookies! And u r going 2 tell me that u can compare Gasol with,Howard,Lebron,Melo,Bosh! I dont think so! It's just that Phill can grab Key players from other teams and make them shine! So then later people like u say that they always had great players!!
Rings does matter. But you have to be stupid to think that Kobe won all those rings by himself. He has a lot of talent on that team,to win those rings. He never could do it by himself. That was made clear when they had to bring Shaq from Orlando. Then after Shaq's departure he was on a shitty team that could not win. That is when the whole trade rumors got started. He has a big ego and obviously does not want to be on a team that can not win. Then the bring in Bynum Artest and gasol.
because lebron fled he will never be considered a true champion or competitor. you dont walk away from your team like that. he should of at least won a ring with the cavs before jumping on the wade wagon...
first of all ur a retard if u think rings dont matter cuz thats the whole point of them playing. its not to prove whos the best player, its to get the ring. the ring proves ur the best. its a team sport. and lemme add on to this. lebron led his team to the finals by himself...AND CHOKED
@2ne1crazy Im sure the players are actually playing the best they can to get a better contract and more money, its their job and they've been practicing their whole life why not cash in
@dbfrancis861 its not to get money for someplayers it is but players like d wade and kobe play for the love of the game they just on that kind of money because the opportunity arised so they took it anyone would
@2ne1crazy Lebron led his team to the finals, YOU SAID IT, thank you..... in the 2000-02 with shaq, 03-08 nothing without him, 09-10 with gasol, and a lot of good players THATS the reason Kobe is NOT better than Lebron...
% of team Points scored in the Finals
'00: Shaq 38% > kobe 14% (not including the game he missed)
'01: Shaq 33% > kobe 23%
'02: Shaq 36% > kobe 24%
'04: Shaq 27% > kobe 26%
Lakers reg season record in games without kobe: 53-33 (.616%)
@gargantua04 lol did u look those up all by urself? lebron did make it to the finals against a WEAK eastern conference. thats why the cavs got destroyed in the finals. and i actually wanted the cavs to win that year but u know where ur leader lebron led u...nowhere.
after all these years of watching kobe i dont understand how people are still doubting him lol if u say he isnt the best today ur just stupid.
@2ne1crazy Kid, you watch basketball? WEAK? Detroit is a weak team NOW (2010-2011) that's why Detroit swap Lakers 4-1 in the finals 2004, that's why Detroit reach to the finals 2005 and lose agains SPURS 4-3, (Lakers don't even reach the playoffs at 05') (without shaq) 2006 to eastfinals,2007 defeated BY LEBRON ONLY. (48 points in playoffs game against the team swap Lakers 4-1?....Choke? Shut up. Lebron carry the Cavs franchise to that level, after that if you say Kobe is better, ur just stupid
@2ne1crazy The only argument that can be made between both is shooting, and yesterday, Lebron reach 7 consecutive seasons(he is in hes 8th) with 2000+ points, kobe have 15, and he even reach 7 season with 2000+, why kobe is better? because he have rings? so Derek Fisher is better than Allen Iverson?.
@2ne1crazy for one no he had a good team u just didnt notice because lebron wanted all the open plays and all the hards he passed. anyone can do that. kobe is the better man and play for one kobe didnt trade teams when he didnt win he stayed there and just tried and for two when kobe shoots the ball there good hard shoots so dont thank you know what ur talking about. DAMN
@2ne1crazy -- If "the ring proves ur the best" than by your logic... Bill Russell is the best player in the history of the NBA cause he's got 11 rings. In fact, when you put it in that perspective, he's almost twice as good as Michael Jordan cause MJ only has 6. Your logic is totally flawed.
@ehsanaman222 Maybe by your logic Lol. Because you can't separate things like level of competition in certain eras. Bill Russell only real competition was Wilt and he said it himself. Logic omg you are like one of those people who can't operate with two conflicting view points in their brains. Typical American
@ehsanaman222 Right and that would also mean that Robert Horry is better than Michael Jordan and it would mean Luke Walton is about three times as good as Lebron and DWade combined. Championships are important, of course, but it doesn't make one player better than another just because a player has fewer or no rings at all. I'd take LeBron James over Luke Walton all day long.
@MRNBA909 Yes, I agree. LeBron had his chance at a championship this year, but showed no heart. However, that only reinforces the point that not having a championship doesn't mean that you're not a great player. Is there any player on Dallas that you would pick before LeBron?
@Hieroglyphics4Life Shut up what was Kobe Adam Morrison for his first 3 championships the guy was big contributor on those teams. No way in hell the Lakers win those rings without Kobe.
@MrHrana1 Oh please... I'd like to give shaq in his prime to any number of SG/SFs around that time and see what happens. Put Ray Allen, Tracy Mcgrady or Paul Pierce on that Lakers squad. Im guessin they probably get at least 3 rings and maybe more cus the reason they stopped at 3 was cus there were no two bigger egos than kobe and shaq. And i'm the biggest lebron hater out there but dude led a squad with NOTHING to the finals. Im sure if you give him prime shaq things turn out different
@EliasJordan3 You can call wade whatever you want, leader, face of the franchise, team captain, whatever. It doesnt change the fact that lebron is the most talented player on that team. The majority debate is whether lebron is the best player in the league, let alone on the heat. So i guess we disagree there. I agree that they're bitches, but come on, we're talkin all time greatness talent in lebron (not all time will, but thats another story), not many say that bout wade
@chilikongkwoila no out of those 2 wade actually did work for that ring he pretty much won it for the heat in that finals series kobe and wade are better then bron so fuck up if your a real basketball fan you would know this
@deanwoods52 lebron made his team an elite team after he established himself as the best player in the league, almost every season his team is number 1. wade's team after shaq's departure was just shit. he is a great player but not as great as lebron and kobe.
@chilikongkwoila kobe is the best player in the nba but wade is a better player then lebron im not saying he makes his team better wade busted his ass to get that team to the playoffs whereas lebron when he was in cleveland had good players around him and if wade had those kind of players on his team before bosh and bron came the heat would be a top 3 seed but lebron is not better who was the one who came running to wades team?
@theunionjackworldtv im not sucking dwyanes dick seeing as i dont live in the same country as him and i dont know him and i wouldnt even be aloud to talk to him and im not gay so yeah you kind of fucked up there and dwyane is better he has the better overall game lebron is only good because he is naturally gifted dwyane actually had to put work in to become the athlete he is lebron is just a freak normally lol plus wade has better fundamentals so yeah he is better
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115sexybeast 2 months ago
its crazy how even after the 11 finals & the 10' playoffs in which lebron quit during the series with boston ppl can even still try & debate the lebron is the better player.....say what you want about kobe not shaking hands & always blaming others but he dont quit....he got the right to talk shit cuz he is the leader in l.a.
matt2fresh84 3 months ago
@gameking826 it's called sarcasm, he's no where near Kobe & he'll never have Kobe IQ that's the biggest difference maker.
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seriously... people need to shut up with the Horry 7 Rings crap... Role Players can't be considered the same as Star Players in terms of rings... You can say he's the best role player ever with 7 Rings, but to say he's better than Kobe or Lebron is just ridiculous... he has never even reached star status, how can he be in the conversation with those two...
gameking826 3 months ago
Robert Horry 7 rings so I guess he's better than Kobe right?
RedDeadMaster1000 3 months ago
@babypholol I was just being sarcastic LBJ hasn't accomplished nearly as much as Kobe. He's got 5 to LeBron's famous choke job this year.
jkang24 3 months ago
Kobe 5 rings.. So what Lebron 2 finals apperences & 2 MVP's he's basically tied if you ask me ...lol
jkang24 4 months ago
@jkang24 Then you gotta count all of Kobe's final appearances, MVPs, and Rings.
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@jkang24 Kobe has 7 finals appearances , 5 Rings, 1 MVP, and 2 Finals MVPs.. not tied..
gameking826 3 months ago
5 rings! Nuff said
TheMontecarlo85 5 months ago
What's the difference between Kobe and Robert Horry?
7 rings.
So pointless
DagoRamirez88 6 months ago
@DagoRamirez88 that would be 2 rings because 7-5=2
caka639 5 months ago
@caka639 True, I still think it's pointless because it's a team effort.
DagoRamirez88 5 months ago
@DagoRamirez88 in that case i also think so
caka639 5 months ago
HAHAHAHAH GOOD ANSWER
sonde2007 6 months ago
5 ring vs 2 mvp lol
gym2594 6 months ago
is it better to have 0 felonies or 0 rings? Casey Anthony or LeBron James?
KTD82291 6 months ago
shut up.not labron and not dwight howard
bkjman44 6 months ago
,,,,,,,,,,,,,Kobe won Back to Back 09 and 10, without another HOFer in his team. MJ, Magic, Larry, Russell, Chamberlin, West, All of them have at least one other HOFer,,,,,,,,,
noformstyle 7 months ago
@noformstyle Uhh, his three other championships were won with Shaq? The last two were just because this modern NBA is just pathetic, but still gotta give him credit.
stallionplaya52 7 months ago
@stallionplaya52 Read my post again, I wrote 09 and 10 ONLY : )),,, Modern NBA is pathetic ??? with Lebron, Dwade, Durant, Howard, Kidd, Dirk, Melo, Rose, Garnett, Ray Allen, Chris Paul, D. William,Nash, Rondo,,,come on,,,Players are faster, stronger, jump higher,,plus Defensive minded players like Artest, Bell, Battier, Grant,,which we only have 2 in 90s, MJ and Dumar etc...90s is the worst, only MJ was worth watching....80s, you got Lakers and Celtics.
noformstyle 7 months ago
@noformstyle Well, just by you saying "the '90s was the worst" I now know you were probably born in '98 and you never had a chance to watch. And you've gotta be kidding me about the defense stuff. Defense was a lot tougher in the '90s, you have no idea. NBA players today just look like a bunch of robots who have no emotion, you never see any more trash talking or big fights or rivalries. Any player back then in his prime would destroy anyone today.
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@stallionplaya52 It's tough ONLY in handchecks, but handchecks from a single defender is not as tough as Zone Defense where Big Guys just wait near the paint all day.
,,,,80s I watched Magic and Bird, 90s I watched MJ, 20s Modern Basketball, I watched Shaq,Lebron, Dwade, Durant, Kobe, Howard, Kidd, Dirk, Melo, Rose, Garnett, Ray Allen, Chris Paul, D. William,Nash, Rondo,,,,,...... If Modern Basketball sucks then DON'T WATCH IT EVER.........By the way, this Video is on Modern Players,,
noformstyle 7 months ago
@stallionplaya52 amen the modern day nba is pathetic man... "OUCHIE MR REFEREE HE TOUCHED MY SHOULDER!!"
jgerundo24 7 months ago
@jgerundo24 IF THE NBA PLAYER WAS IN NFL, THEY WILL BE IN THE HOSPITAL AFTER 5 SECONDS OF GAME.
kb24TM 6 months ago
ha ha baybe 5 rings! lebron stil 0 lol
Ichance23 7 months ago
my opinion, lebron doesnt have nearly the heart and fire as kobe bryant does or MJ, yes he has the tools and skills but id call him a little selfish, i do not hate lebron, i actually like the way he plays,but in my eyes he is overrated as to being GREAT. heres something that seprates the goods, from the greats, related to lebron. Dirk has played about 14 yrs in the nba, and all years have been with the mavs. he waited it out when they were down, and didnt leave after 5 years. now hes a champ.
sportsfan9217 7 months ago
@sportsfan9217
Wait a sec on there putting kobe with MJ. You said HEART? Kobe is just as bad as Lebron. Remember the SWEEP from the MAVS? Kobe shot like shit. He gave up. Last year he was 6 for 21 in the FINAL GAME SEVEN last year. Heart my ass?
Mattixxg 7 months ago
@Mattixxg
Kobe also grabbed 15 rebounds in game 7, and scored 10 points in the 4th quarter, when all other 9 players on the court were shitting their pants. Lebron roughly scored over 10 points in all 4th quarters combined in these finals. Kobe had nothing left in the tank. He played the entire playoffs on one knee, and still was able to outperform his peers in the crucial moments. Having heart is the innate desire to still want it more than everyone else when things aren't going your way.
BeefPapa 7 months ago
what's the difference between Byron Scott and mike brown? 42 games
samtech800 8 months ago
lebron & wade = 2 of the top 3 in the nba, + Bosh, anthony Haslum & a shit load of knock down shooters an Bron still couldnt win lmaooooooooooooooooooooo
LouiepMusic 8 months ago
@LouiepMusic
AAAAND the lakers, highest paid team in the NBA, the black MAMBA, supposed best closer EVARRR....got SWEPT by the dallas Mavs.
Didnt win ONE game.
Thats not good either, especially from someone whose been in the league as long as kobe has.
Mattixxg 7 months ago
5 Rings.
easthurricane 8 months ago 42
lebron tombstone will read " wade's bitch "
fhab525 9 months ago
@fhab525
lmao
JKillaz24 9 months ago
Nuff said :L
RedDeadMaster1000 9 months ago
THE LAKERS ARE (AMAZING= SIXTEEN BANNERS HANGING FROM THE RAFTERS)
lakerrgirlzzloveekb 9 months ago
every kobe hater wants to point out irrelevant things first of all lebron is a great thrasher to the rim cant deny it very athletic now you say kobe sucks why is it that kobe gets the lakers in the 4th quarter WHEN IT MATTERS gets it done most of the time and lebron definitely does not have the jump shot that kobe has so kobe as an all around player is better in that aspect the only thing that lebron has on his side is the freakish athleticism which in part has not got him a championship
esco1514 10 months ago
DUH
KasualsicknessTV 10 months ago
This is all the media's fault, because they only show the greatness of lebron even at his worse. like when lebron scored 20+ straight agianst the Pistons to help his team win the game, the media was so amazed. but when Kobe put an onslaught on the celtics in game 5 of the FINALS, the media called kobe selfish, see the difference? If Kobe didn't put that barrage, they would have beaten by 30+ points.
elcid008 10 months ago
Oh okay, so lebron isnt as good as Kobe because of the rings? Ok I get it, so since Brian Scalebrini has a couple rings, that means he is better then Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Lebron James, Kevin Durant and Carmelo?
MovegasPhilms 10 months ago
@MovegasPhilms Lebron still has got to make his team mates better ...
MantisAtlantis 10 months ago
@MovegasPhilms Dude you're just playing dumbshit in here, dont have any common sense? Were talking about the leaders of the championship team, that's why we can put the RINGS in the argument bet Kobe and Lebron, even though we shouldn't compare them, cos IT's NOT EVEN CLOSE. d-WADE is even better than lebron as team player. PERIOD
elcid008 10 months ago
@elcid008 ....actually lebron is better than wade as a team player.....and thats no diss on wade...both put kobe to shame.....
u might wanna check how the cavaliers did after lebron.....need i say more?....he took a bunch of pathetic nobodys and people held him to a championship standard with those losers
shaqpopcorn34 10 months ago
@shaqpopcorn34 for one when lebron left, like 5 others did too so dont talk shit about kobe or the cavs. kobe is at the championship standard and always will be. so fuck lebron and all u fags
Legitimatelyy 9 months ago
@Legitimatelyy .....kobe is a sidekick for life.....
kobe watched shaq get handed 3 finals mvps.....lmaoooo....
kobe has 11 years being coached by phil jackson,more than any player phil has coached......kobe is a loser who sidekicks his way to rings through dominant bigs...
thats why in 3 yrs with no shaq or gasol....he failed to win a round...people say he didnt have anybody those years....bullshit...thats nba reality for most player....most guys dont have prime shaq,gasol and phil jackson
shaqpopcorn34 9 months ago
@shaqpopcorn34 phil is just a coach and at least kobe stays with the same team and isnt a ban wagon jumper like lebron. lebron is a self centered fucking fag that is scared to take chances, even MJ said that it was wrong and he would have never did it and u know anything that comes out of MJ mouth it means something. its true that kobe didnt win in those three years but u also now that u cant win every year. And if the lakers traded gasol, they still would have won, know if we lost andrew bynum
Legitimatelyy 9 months ago
@Legitimatelyy ......lmaoooo....why would kobe leave a historic franchise and the best coach ever?.....lmaooooo....he wasnt in a completely irrelevant city like cleveland surrounded by losers yet held to a championship standard.....kobe demanded a trade in 2007......until he learned his team was getting pau gasol for kwame brown...lmaooooo
kobe=sidekick for life....kobe couldnt win a round in 3 yrs without shaq or gasol.....the man is a career sidekick lolololololololololol
shaqpopcorn34 9 months ago
@shaqpopcorn34 i look at it like this u like lebron i like kobe we can go back and forth. i like kobe and thats that i is the greatest and lebron sucks to me thanks and have a good day
Legitimatelyy 9 months ago
@shaqpopcorn34 Thats the same reason why Jordan played for 6 years and never won anything the Pippen joins the Bulls and the rest is history!.. Its a team sport, no one does it alone..
DonRMB 9 months ago
@shaqpopcorn34 And the fact that the cavs lost key players to injuries and trade along with Lebron means nothing, right?
At least when the Lakers lose, Kobe is still the last guy fighting, hustling for balls and baskets long after the game has already been decided. Forget about the 4th quarter, Lebron checked out of the finals with GAMES left to play.
eugimon 7 months ago 15
@eugimon HAHAHA! Are u serious! Kobe is the last guy fighting OMG holy shit! Anytime the Lakers are getting beat badly in the 4th Quarter, Kobe starts blaming his teammates and turns in to a selfish prick on the court. Just watch how he'll be with Mike Brown.
ThePS3RULES360 3 months ago
@ThePS3RULES360 least kobe dont quit during the game. lebron quits.
matt2fresh84 3 months ago
Apples with apples!!
Dian3091 10 months ago
what did he say?
crazyoffdabudsac 11 months ago
in a couple of months make that 6 RINGS!!!!!!!!
SpockIsAPimp 11 months ago
Who's #1 KOBE!! So ur saying GASOL #2 ur Wrong so HIS BETTER THAN LEBRON AND WADE!! that's what i thought!!
Dian3091 11 months ago
Spit on you the minute things don't go his way!!
Dian3091 11 months ago
I rather have 5 rings than some regular season wins! It must hurt more to lose a championship than to loose a regular season game by far!! Malone-stockton, MJ-Pippen, Magic-Kareem,Barckley-Kevin Jhonson, I can go on and on players with go to guys! But all this guys had pride and work really hard and I want to bet even though they didn't get a ring they fought as hard as they could without the help of 2 of the top players of their TIME!! keep on praising this Lebron whos a 2 face and who will s
Dian3091 11 months ago
Gasol is no Mega star like Bosh and Wade now if Kobe would of had Howard and C.Paul, 3-2 years ago then is a different story. Let's compare apples with apples.!!
Dian3091 11 months ago
@Dian3091 gasol is 2nd ranked PF..bosh is 13th
kvnkhnt 11 months ago
@ghiblix2 Dude, how you doing?
gargantua04 11 months ago
@ghiblix2 So why people keep saying Kobe owns Lebron?, woah congratz you know tha difference between both!, you sure? wade 20p, bosh 24, lebron 19, 9 ast, 8 rebounds almost triple douible again, yeah and Christmas day also. Go cry Kobe dickrider LOL you just dont know how to blame me more haha
gargantua04 11 months ago
@ghiblix2 10/15 raping Kobe, since he was in Cavs, and last nite, if you cant take he Heat get the f*uck out the kitchen. Oh and gasol is foward, nice! you can google it gratz!.
gargantua04 11 months ago
@ghiblix2 You didnt say anything about lebron james, but you have the guts to replay one of my comments where i was talking about him and kobe? and bring shaq to the table? blame shaq all you want tho, i don't like him anyways lol, i don't know what are trying to blame shaq all the time in your comments, and i don't wanna repeat why MYSELF bring shaq to the table because apparently you don't know how to read. LBJ who? the one who rapes Kobe everytime they meet.
gargantua04 11 months ago
@ghiblix2 Once again, you are talking crap about shaq when he left the lakers I DONT CARE ABOUT SHAQ damn hes a old man that doesn't care what hes doing hes just joining all the nba teams already.
gargantua04 11 months ago
@ghiblix2 Need TEAMMATES to win the finals, people talking crap about 5 rings, and 3 of them was SHAQ helping him that's my point JESUS!.
gargantua04 11 months ago
@ghiblix2 Oh man..are you..? god..please tell me name of the video, let me help you.."What's The difference between Lebron & Kobe ?" thats the reason im talking about lebron, second, you REPLY one of my first comments against @2ne1cra that he is talking crap about LEBRON and kobe, i ALWAYS was talking kobe performance, comparing Lebron performance is because the NAME OF THIS VIDEO IS WHATS THE DIFFERENCE, everybody says that RINGS makes Kobe better than Lebron and IS NOT because Kobe ALWAYS
gargantua04 11 months ago
@ghiblix2 Lebron James ALONE!, put Cleveland Cavaliers in the finals too 2007 you idiot.
gargantua04 11 months ago
@ghiblix2 I made that? What kind of hater you are? Did the bulls win championships when he left? did i say Kobe sucks? I only say that those stats (SEARCH FOR THEM).. LEARN SOME, Shaq was the leader of those SEASONS 2000-02 (i put the years there also) learn to READ too, that's why shaq left because all of you Kobe dickriders think he was the one who put the lakers on top and was shaq, and now he needs gasol because 03-08 they cant do shit, wow they get to the finals big deal....
gargantua04 11 months ago
Lakers won 2 years in a row and the year before, they lost to the Celtics. Do the math!!
Dian3091 11 months ago
They won 2 years in a row and the year before that they lost 2 the Celtics in the FINALS!
Dian3091 11 months ago
Lakers got artest and every one said that this guy was a problem player,that Lakers were going to suffer. Why did LA let go of Ariza! Admitted!! Phill knows how to make players like Artest and Rodman play, and also most players need a go to Guy! MJ,Scotty Pippen and Malone,Stockton. .....Lebron,Wade,Bosh,Bibby,who alse?
Dian3091 11 months ago
Name me how many MEGA STARS did the lakers have 3 years ago cause u can't say Lamar was one!...,Bynum,Farmar,Sasha,DJBenga,Walton,Powell,Ariza? This guys are not mega stars, some were rookies! And u r going 2 tell me that u can compare Gasol with,Howard,Lebron,Melo,Bosh! I dont think so! It's just that Phill can grab Key players from other teams and make them shine! So then later people like u say that they always had great players!!
Dian3091 11 months ago
@Dian3091 3 years ago, Lakers didn't even reach to the finals, i think neither to the second round. peace.
gargantua04 11 months ago
Rings does matter. But you have to be stupid to think that Kobe won all those rings by himself. He has a lot of talent on that team,to win those rings. He never could do it by himself. That was made clear when they had to bring Shaq from Orlando. Then after Shaq's departure he was on a shitty team that could not win. That is when the whole trade rumors got started. He has a big ego and obviously does not want to be on a team that can not win. Then the bring in Bynum Artest and gasol.
Topsecrectsupra 1 year ago
This video should be called "How to settle the kobe vs lebron debate in 10 seconds"
Thentherewasgr8ness 1 year ago
because lebron fled he will never be considered a true champion or competitor. you dont walk away from your team like that. he should of at least won a ring with the cavs before jumping on the wade wagon...
brunolrhl 1 year ago
kobe will always be the best and he proveit 81 points mvp and 5 rings!
ZoMBiiEZz51 1 year ago 4
first of all ur a retard if u think rings dont matter cuz thats the whole point of them playing. its not to prove whos the best player, its to get the ring. the ring proves ur the best. its a team sport. and lemme add on to this. lebron led his team to the finals by himself...AND CHOKED
2ne1crazy 1 year ago 37
@2ne1crazy Im sure the players are actually playing the best they can to get a better contract and more money, its their job and they've been practicing their whole life why not cash in
dbfrancis861 1 year ago
@dbfrancis861 its not to get money for someplayers it is but players like d wade and kobe play for the love of the game they just on that kind of money because the opportunity arised so they took it anyone would
deanwoods52 1 year ago
@2ne1crazy You said it best Lebron brought his shitty team all the way to the finals by himself. Kobe needs all star's surrounding him to win rings.
Topsecrectsupra 1 year ago
@2ne1crazy Lebron led his team to the finals, YOU SAID IT, thank you..... in the 2000-02 with shaq, 03-08 nothing without him, 09-10 with gasol, and a lot of good players THATS the reason Kobe is NOT better than Lebron...
% of team Points scored in the Finals
'00: Shaq 38% > kobe 14% (not including the game he missed)
'01: Shaq 33% > kobe 23%
'02: Shaq 36% > kobe 24%
'04: Shaq 27% > kobe 26%
Lakers reg season record in games without kobe: 53-33 (.616%)
Tell me YOU who was the leader.Im waiting
gargantua04 11 months ago
@gargantua04 lol did u look those up all by urself? lebron did make it to the finals against a WEAK eastern conference. thats why the cavs got destroyed in the finals. and i actually wanted the cavs to win that year but u know where ur leader lebron led u...nowhere.
after all these years of watching kobe i dont understand how people are still doubting him lol if u say he isnt the best today ur just stupid.
2ne1crazy 10 months ago
@2ne1crazy Kid, you watch basketball? WEAK? Detroit is a weak team NOW (2010-2011) that's why Detroit swap Lakers 4-1 in the finals 2004, that's why Detroit reach to the finals 2005 and lose agains SPURS 4-3, (Lakers don't even reach the playoffs at 05') (without shaq) 2006 to eastfinals,2007 defeated BY LEBRON ONLY. (48 points in playoffs game against the team swap Lakers 4-1?....Choke? Shut up. Lebron carry the Cavs franchise to that level, after that if you say Kobe is better, ur just stupid
gargantua04 10 months ago
@2ne1crazy The only argument that can be made between both is shooting, and yesterday, Lebron reach 7 consecutive seasons(he is in hes 8th) with 2000+ points, kobe have 15, and he even reach 7 season with 2000+, why kobe is better? because he have rings? so Derek Fisher is better than Allen Iverson?.
gargantua04 10 months ago
@gargantua04 That's because Kobe has played with shaw that's why he couldn't dominate the ball as much as he could have.
nitotech 10 months ago
@2ne1crazy But Lebron only had himself. Kobe wouldn't have done it with Shaq or Pau.
twplowman 10 months ago
@twplowman lebron had players he just didnt now how to us them and did kobe change teams between them. NO so fuck off
Legitimatelyy 9 months ago
@Legitimatelyy Lebron hardly had the likes of Shaq. Chin up mate
twplowman 8 months ago
@Legitimatelyy Lebron hardly had the likes of Shaq. Chin up mate.
twplowman 8 months ago
@2ne1crazy robbert horry has more rings than kobe so robbert horry is a better team player
ap23atwal1 10 months ago
@ap23atwal1 kobe is not done getting rings he will end up with top 3 scoring all time and have 6-8 rings
CenaFansAre5yearsold 10 months ago
@2ne1crazy for one no he had a good team u just didnt notice because lebron wanted all the open plays and all the hards he passed. anyone can do that. kobe is the better man and play for one kobe didnt trade teams when he didnt win he stayed there and just tried and for two when kobe shoots the ball there good hard shoots so dont thank you know what ur talking about. DAMN
Legitimatelyy 9 months ago
@2ne1crazy your comment was so stupid i cant believe you got thumbs up.
FatalityTTT 9 months ago
@2ne1crazy -- If "the ring proves ur the best" than by your logic... Bill Russell is the best player in the history of the NBA cause he's got 11 rings. In fact, when you put it in that perspective, he's almost twice as good as Michael Jordan cause MJ only has 6. Your logic is totally flawed.
ehsanaman222 8 months ago
@ehsanaman222 Maybe by your logic Lol. Because you can't separate things like level of competition in certain eras. Bill Russell only real competition was Wilt and he said it himself. Logic omg you are like one of those people who can't operate with two conflicting view points in their brains. Typical American
st3nkobe 8 months ago
@ehsanaman222
He said TEAM tho. Not player. TEAM.
Come on man..learn to read whats there, not what is implied.
That celt team was stacked.
Mattixxg 7 months ago
@ehsanaman222 Right and that would also mean that Robert Horry is better than Michael Jordan and it would mean Luke Walton is about three times as good as Lebron and DWade combined. Championships are important, of course, but it doesn't make one player better than another just because a player has fewer or no rings at all. I'd take LeBron James over Luke Walton all day long.
VinmanMJ23 7 months ago
@VinmanMJ23 but lebron had a lot of good people on his team so you cant say his team completely sucked plus now he has to stars so no more excuses
MRNBA909 7 months ago
@MRNBA909 Yes, I agree. LeBron had his chance at a championship this year, but showed no heart. However, that only reinforces the point that not having a championship doesn't mean that you're not a great player. Is there any player on Dallas that you would pick before LeBron?
VinmanMJ23 7 months ago
@VinmanMJ23 no i would rather have lebron than any other mavs player but who would you want taking the ball in the last 5 min. kobe or lebron?
MRNBA909 7 months ago
@MRNBA909 Michael Jordan. Kobe would miss and LeBron would be afraid to take the shot.
VinmanMJ23 7 months ago
@VinmanMJ23 hey you never know dont underestimate mj haha
MRNBA909 7 months ago
@2ne1crazy
Dude..so did kobe...SEVERAL times.
Mattixxg 7 months ago
Id rather take kobe vs wade
RammaRITOORITO 1 year ago 3
this is a sick vid
3peats 1 year ago
this along with delonte west fucking his mum is probably the reason he left cleveland
deanwoods52 1 year ago
@deanwoods52 so tru...along with the fact that wen it came playoff time hes the only 1 playing lik they want to actuallly win
CWill103 1 year ago
@CWill103 yeah everyone on that cavs team was shit
deanwoods52 1 year ago
how about 2 rings, and havin shaq in his prime?
Hieroglyphics4Life 1 year ago
@Hieroglyphics4Life Shut up what was Kobe Adam Morrison for his first 3 championships the guy was big contributor on those teams. No way in hell the Lakers win those rings without Kobe.
MrHrana1 1 year ago
@MrHrana1 Oh please... I'd like to give shaq in his prime to any number of SG/SFs around that time and see what happens. Put Ray Allen, Tracy Mcgrady or Paul Pierce on that Lakers squad. Im guessin they probably get at least 3 rings and maybe more cus the reason they stopped at 3 was cus there were no two bigger egos than kobe and shaq. And i'm the biggest lebron hater out there but dude led a squad with NOTHING to the finals. Im sure if you give him prime shaq things turn out different
Hieroglyphics4Life 1 year ago
But ur a kobe fanboy and so are a bunch of ppl on this page so no doubt you'll all disagree
Hieroglyphics4Life 1 year ago
@Hieroglyphics4Life kobe fanboys r so damn annoying..we all kno the guy has 5 rings...so wat!!!!!
CWill103 1 year ago
@Hieroglyphics4Life so every ring lebron gets whit the heat doesnt count. thats dumb
EliasJordan3 1 year ago
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Hieroglyphics4Life 1 year ago
@EliasJordan3 Lebron is the best player on the heat. So your comment is irrelevant
Hieroglyphics4Life 1 year ago
@Hieroglyphics4Life DWade is their leader. Lebron and Bosh don't got it, they lack effort, I like them both, but they're both bitches.
EliasJordan3 1 year ago
@EliasJordan3 You can call wade whatever you want, leader, face of the franchise, team captain, whatever. It doesnt change the fact that lebron is the most talented player on that team. The majority debate is whether lebron is the best player in the league, let alone on the heat. So i guess we disagree there. I agree that they're bitches, but come on, we're talkin all time greatness talent in lebron (not all time will, but thats another story), not many say that bout wade
Hieroglyphics4Life 1 year ago
@Hieroglyphics4Life d wade is the best player on the heat
deanwoods52 1 year ago 36
@deanwoods52 d wade is not the best player on the heat. it's LeBron James
chilikongkwoila 11 months ago
@chilikongkwoila no lebron james isnt better then wade wade is the best on the team he is the one with the ring not lebron
deanwoods52 11 months ago
@deanwoods52 well adam morrison got 2 rings and wade only has one. does that make him better? LEBRON IS THE BEST PLAYER today and KOBE.
chilikongkwoila 11 months ago
@chilikongkwoila no out of those 2 wade actually did work for that ring he pretty much won it for the heat in that finals series kobe and wade are better then bron so fuck up if your a real basketball fan you would know this
deanwoods52 11 months ago
@deanwoods52 WADE IS NOT BETTER THAN LEBRON!
chilikongkwoila 11 months ago
@deanwoods52 lebron made his team an elite team after he established himself as the best player in the league, almost every season his team is number 1. wade's team after shaq's departure was just shit. he is a great player but not as great as lebron and kobe.
chilikongkwoila 11 months ago
@chilikongkwoila kobe is the best player in the nba but wade is a better player then lebron im not saying he makes his team better wade busted his ass to get that team to the playoffs whereas lebron when he was in cleveland had good players around him and if wade had those kind of players on his team before bosh and bron came the heat would be a top 3 seed but lebron is not better who was the one who came running to wades team?
deanwoods52 11 months ago
@deanwoods52 are you crazy better than Lebron ! uhm no quit sucking on dwade's dick LEBRON is the best
theunionjackworldtv 11 months ago
@theunionjackworldtv im not sucking dwyanes dick seeing as i dont live in the same country as him and i dont know him and i wouldnt even be aloud to talk to him and im not gay so yeah you kind of fucked up there and dwyane is better he has the better overall game lebron is only good because he is naturally gifted dwyane actually had to put work in to become the athlete he is lebron is just a freak normally lol plus wade has better fundamentals so yeah he is better
deanwoods52 11 months ago
@deanwoods52 either ur blind or u know very little about b-ball wade shouldn't be entered in the same sentence as king james
44dfree 10 months ago
@deanwoods52 uhm yea no hes not
MJRiley878 9 months ago
@deanwoods52 lol idiot.
FatalityTTT 9 months ago
@Hieroglyphics4Life
fuck your another idiot that tries to hate on kobe, 2 rings and sha qin his prime?
delete your account fagit
Mikey1724 1 year ago
@Mikey1724 I dont TRY to hate on him. I hate on that nigga successfully. Fuck your rapist hero
Hieroglyphics4Life 1 year ago
hahahaha
dirta2315 1 year ago
LOL a black guy that can count _#(_@$IU3Q 5
adi1096 1 year ago
agree
0900276Alex 1 year ago
Couldn't agree more
dalampiras 1 year ago
thats correct
paulympia 1 year ago
wtf is he saying.
thunderhead27 1 year ago