9-11 was an inside job, Al Queda are an arm of Mossad-CIA, 7-7 was an inside job. Once you realise this this absurd war against Islam (and religion generally) waged by smug liberals - who, not only don't know what they don't know, but haven't the faintest idea that they don't know it - can be seen for the simple divide-and-conquer strategy that it is.
Martin Amis's comments merely prove that intelligent, sensitive, caring men have had enough of pretence. We've had enough of not seeing an enemy under our noses. Enough of not identifying the filth in our country. Enough of pandering to moronic appeasers. Enough.
The words Amis used do appear harsh and unfair to the majority of Muslims who simply aren't terrorists, but at the same time, it must be noted that the Qu'ran, along with all other religious texts, contains a lot of man-hating vitriol, and there has been a tidal wave, of sorts, of fundamentalism which is akin to something out of the Middle Ages.
This may seem an infantile view, but it'w what I hold as the truth, and is that all three of the abrahamic religions are as bad as each other; Muslims in 9/11, Christians in Northern Ireland and Jews in Gaza. It's all terrorism and bullying, and as soon as religion can be dismissed as "an extraordinarily convincing mistake" as Philip Pullman put it, the sooner we can move on with our lives.
"Alwaysright" is an intentionally invidious screen name I use to make the most boneheaded comments I can possibly think of, just to see if anyone will take them seriously. :)
yep, i know the definition of a troll. think i spotted you on some hitchnes video in the guise of 'mouthy evangelical' and something smelt fishy, you were just too damn perfect! i know you follow the mantra of 'for the lulz' but what do you actaully think about these issues, do you have a 'real' user account?
My view is that all arguments for a personal god are demonstrably -and I do mean demonstrably- invalid, and that the world's religions have caused, and continue to cause, on balance, a great deal more death and suffering than they have prevented or assuaged.
The last person you want to listen to about real world affairs is some british man of letters. His views are inherently impractable. It's like bringing a pyro to a fire brigade, he just wants to stoke the flames. He'll take his ball and chain to hell.
The Catholic-Marxist Terry Eagleton simply quoted Amis out of context. Amis was describing one way of "raising the price" of terrorist action. What he suggested was merely an urge in favour of what would be a utilitarian policy. And he didn't advocate even that policy. Eagleton, ideological relict that he is, apparently wants to silence simple philosophical thought or speculation.
"Islamophobia" is just an excuse for silencing people who criticise Islam (not Muslims as they would have you believe). Nevertheless, Amis is a pompous, self-satisfied, racist git.
Terry Eagleton is an exceptionally smug and pugnacious charlatan. I've seen him give a lecture. A very bright and well read guy yet immensely conceited and very aggressive for some reason. If you want to attack Martin Amis, then do so but do it with some standards. Don't attack his passed away father. Anyway, regardless of his political views, Amis is a better writer than Eagleton period. Eagleton has such an ideologically driven criticism of literature that it is annoying.
Amis is totally correct. Listen carefully to his words, rather than taking them out of context, as Channel 4 do. He distinguishes between Islam and Islamism. Islamism is the problem here.
Amis may make that distinction & educated people may recognise it...but if you think the World at large does, you're wrong.
Few people bother to make the distinction of Islam from politicised muslim extremism ( "islamism" )...the average, uniformed person on the street doesn't & the jaundiced media whose job it is to sell stories undoubtedly doesn't.
To the masses, Islam & Islamism are one & the same. It suits the current agenda to NOT make the distinction, rather than make it.
And, by your own 'argument', you must uneducated, since you're demonstably unable to make that distinction. Why are you ranting on about 'the masses', as you contemptuously describe other people? What has this got to do with Amis' point? Islamism is a problem. That's his point.
amis is totally correct here. there are murderous and cowardly islamists killing innocents round the world each day. searching his daughter's teddy bear or whatever may make dunces like markdcarter and other apologists feel better, but it is on its face ridiculous and a waste of time. i suppose a few hundred thousand people have to die at once for this pc nightmare to end.
Why should the infringement of civil liberties make markdcarter feel better?
And why is he a "dunce" for correctly pointing out that Bin Laden worked for American Intelligence?
Blame your "pc nightmare" & the rise of politicised islam on Middle Eastern foreign policy, neo conservative politics & a complete disinterest in the fate of those living under Islamic regimes on behalf of the US government who wind them up, then let them go. Or is it just easier to utter the phrase "islamofascist"?
Muslims are largely being scapegoated by crafty criminals within the elite Zionist-UK-US power structure. Osama Bin Laden (died December 2001) was CIA agent Tim Osman, groomed by the likes of Zbigniew Brzezinski, Kissinger protege. 9/11 "hijackers" had Western intelligence agency training.
Wahabism and the Muslim Brotherhood have been cultivated by Western intelligence, in order to divide and conquer the oil-rich Arab world. Search: "Building 7", "Dr. Zack anthrax", "911 Missing Links".
Amis cant generalise and say that all muslims are bad or that Islam breeds terrorism. That is only a small minority of extreme fundamentalists that can be found in any religion. 10 years ago the Extremist catholics in Ireland were blowing things up.
I think you haven't listened to Amis' view or you're perhaps a little confused. Amis makes a clear distinction between Islam and Islamism. The latter is is clearly homophobic and has violent tendancies. Similarly the nationalist community (as were the loyalist) in N.I. were peaceful citizens going about their business. The fringe republicans embedded in criminality (IRA and the like) were the mindless thugs blowing up things. Amis has made the same distinction and is right to criticise.
"Similarly the nationalist community (as were the loyalist) in N.I. were peaceful citizens going about their business. The fringe republicans embedded in criminality (IRA and the like) were the mindless thugs blowing up things"
Ah yes, the peace loving loyalists, the peace loving RUC. The peace loving Michael Stone & Johnny Adair. "Fringe republicans"...you hun bastard.
Jesus Christ, you are confused. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're Catholic! A Catholic praising the loyalists for their peaceful behaviour...you ought to be lynched.
"10 years ago the Extremist catholics in Ireland were blowing things up"....the "extremist catholics" as you call them, were Irish republicans opposing the occupation of their country by the British. You can blame the British government for any bombs that killed anyone as surely as you can blame Israel, the US & any other illegal occupier of Islamic countries for the rise in Islamism. Terrorism is a symptom, not a cause.
Islam is not a race - it's a religion. It's a religion adhered to by blacks, whites, and Asians. Criticizing the tenets of a religion is obviously not the same thing as attacking a race of people.
The writings of Martin Amis on the conflict with the middle east present some of the most empty, useless, puffed up crap you'll ever find on the subject. It's akin to having Disney's 'Aladdin' as your sole reference to Arabian history and culture. Quite why anyone's jumping to this bigoted, overrated twits defence is beyond me.
Edbingey: "useless puffed up crap" just about sums up your post. You can't refute anything Amis says, so your resort to ad-hominem attacks with the usual accusations of racism and bigotry thrown in. I bet you stick your fingers in your ears and scream: "I'm not listening" when anyone tries to reason with you. Amis is correct about Islamism.
What's wrong with Aladdin? It's a great movie. You should check out 'The Second Plane'. I think he might temper his criticism, but what do you do with these fuckers who just want to kill everyone who doesn't agree with them. Fuck these arseholes. They just need to pray, commit to their faith and so forth and leave everyone else alone. That;s the problem with all religions. They just can't leave everyone else alone. 72 virgins and all that bullshit, have it, but leave everyone else alone.
Bravo to Mr. Amis for having the courage to tell the truth when he knows doing so will place a bulls-eye on his forehead for every "marxist literary critic" and muslim terror apologist who wants some attention at the expense of a greater man than they will ever be.
I love amis! Read his latest book "the second plane". He's been taken horribly out of context by the islington dinner party circuit. He's really quite nice & liberal.
You're right. He's liberal, but not a sycophant. He knows when to stand up for something, rather than capitulating from every idea that might be construed as semi-conservative. That's what Eagleton did - took it out of context and extended liberalism into crass, unhindered sycophancy.
The UK and Europe are so politically correct that anyone perceived as stepping out of line risks being publically denounced. The Bishop of Rochester has had widespread public condemnation for his mild comments AND lives under police protection. What price free speech?
You know, I agree with Amis. Nothing wrong with going with your urges, no matter how politically wrong they seem. That said, I have an atavistic urge to smack Amis in his smug face.
You completely missed my point, chief. I'll dumb it down a bit for you: my statement implies that urges don't justify sentiments, which is what Amis advocates.
I didn't miss your point. But now I'm afraid you've confused me. Isn't it the sentiment that precedes the urge? Thus wouldn't it make more sense to say that the sentiment (in this case anger) doesn't justify the urge (violence)? In any case, I appreciate that you're a man who can control his less civil impulses.
What is going on here? They are getting an actor to (badly) speak the words that Amis himself has already spoken publically - is Martin Amis the new Gerry Adams, ferchrissakes? I must've missed this broadcast when it first aired. It's quite funny, but no use at all. Thanks for posting it, though - it's amazing to see how many knots they can tie themselves in.
9-11 was an inside job, Al Queda are an arm of Mossad-CIA, 7-7 was an inside job. Once you realise this this absurd war against Islam (and religion generally) waged by smug liberals - who, not only don't know what they don't know, but haven't the faintest idea that they don't know it - can be seen for the simple divide-and-conquer strategy that it is.
1thousandways 1 year ago
Terry fucking Eagleton
Pippin76 1 year ago
Martin Amis's comments merely prove that intelligent, sensitive, caring men have had enough of pretence. We've had enough of not seeing an enemy under our noses. Enough of not identifying the filth in our country. Enough of pandering to moronic appeasers. Enough.
exchangeisno 1 year ago 8
The words Amis used do appear harsh and unfair to the majority of Muslims who simply aren't terrorists, but at the same time, it must be noted that the Qu'ran, along with all other religious texts, contains a lot of man-hating vitriol, and there has been a tidal wave, of sorts, of fundamentalism which is akin to something out of the Middle Ages.
TomatoNanny 1 year ago
This may seem an infantile view, but it'w what I hold as the truth, and is that all three of the abrahamic religions are as bad as each other; Muslims in 9/11, Christians in Northern Ireland and Jews in Gaza. It's all terrorism and bullying, and as soon as religion can be dismissed as "an extraordinarily convincing mistake" as Philip Pullman put it, the sooner we can move on with our lives.
Badkarma333 1 year ago
"a polite fiction" -- no better way to sum up the state of the world right now
dirtycelinefrenchman 2 years ago
All cultures equal.....Pardon my French but....Bullshit!
borderlord 2 years ago
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amis = islamophobic biggot
TissuePrices 2 years ago
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Wasn't dis guy in lord of the rings? There is no excuse to disrespect Islam. All cultures EQUAL. Ban this guy and don't let him act in movies!
alwaysright10000 2 years ago
haha, you are the cutest troll i ever did see ;)
kat1989 2 years ago
"Alwaysright" is an intentionally invidious screen name I use to make the most boneheaded comments I can possibly think of, just to see if anyone will take them seriously. :)
alwaysright10000 2 years ago
yep, i know the definition of a troll. think i spotted you on some hitchnes video in the guise of 'mouthy evangelical' and something smelt fishy, you were just too damn perfect! i know you follow the mantra of 'for the lulz' but what do you actaully think about these issues, do you have a 'real' user account?
kat1989 2 years ago
Yes, polymath7 is my "real"account.
My view is that all arguments for a personal god are demonstrably -and I do mean demonstrably- invalid, and that the world's religions have caused, and continue to cause, on balance, a great deal more death and suffering than they have prevented or assuaged.
polymath7 2 years ago 2
Do you seriously think all cultures are equal? I hope you just said that for effect.
BiffWebster100 2 years ago
Scroll down.
alwaysright10000 2 years ago
Islam does not deserve respect.
Patavinity 2 years ago 5
@Patavinity
why not?
ttimothymurphy 1 year ago
The last person you want to listen to about real world affairs is some british man of letters. His views are inherently impractable. It's like bringing a pyro to a fire brigade, he just wants to stoke the flames. He'll take his ball and chain to hell.
MiniatureGlyptodont 2 years ago
Amis is wasting his time. England has past the point of no return when it comes to muslims.
seans10 2 years ago 4
My gd this a fully works!! Eagleton is a bright thinker.
jimmybrandon07 2 years ago
The Catholic-Marxist Terry Eagleton simply quoted Amis out of context. Amis was describing one way of "raising the price" of terrorist action. What he suggested was merely an urge in favour of what would be a utilitarian policy. And he didn't advocate even that policy. Eagleton, ideological relict that he is, apparently wants to silence simple philosophical thought or speculation.
michelangeli23 2 years ago 9
"Islamophobia" is just an excuse for silencing people who criticise Islam (not Muslims as they would have you believe). Nevertheless, Amis is a pompous, self-satisfied, racist git.
MarxBakuninMe 3 years ago
Yes such eloquence but its all nurture, not nature!!
madden150 3 years ago
misplaced piety - such eloquence.
phixl 3 years ago
Terry Eagleton is an exceptionally smug and pugnacious charlatan. I've seen him give a lecture. A very bright and well read guy yet immensely conceited and very aggressive for some reason. If you want to attack Martin Amis, then do so but do it with some standards. Don't attack his passed away father. Anyway, regardless of his political views, Amis is a better writer than Eagleton period. Eagleton has such an ideologically driven criticism of literature that it is annoying.
klimes86 3 years ago 12
Amis is totally correct. Listen carefully to his words, rather than taking them out of context, as Channel 4 do. He distinguishes between Islam and Islamism. Islamism is the problem here.
scotty123123 3 years ago
Amis may make that distinction & educated people may recognise it...but if you think the World at large does, you're wrong.
Few people bother to make the distinction of Islam from politicised muslim extremism ( "islamism" )...the average, uniformed person on the street doesn't & the jaundiced media whose job it is to sell stories undoubtedly doesn't.
To the masses, Islam & Islamism are one & the same. It suits the current agenda to NOT make the distinction, rather than make it.
ftftttffttffttf 3 years ago
And, by your own 'argument', you must uneducated, since you're demonstably unable to make that distinction. Why are you ranting on about 'the masses', as you contemptuously describe other people? What has this got to do with Amis' point? Islamism is a problem. That's his point.
scotty123123 3 years ago
amis is totally correct here. there are murderous and cowardly islamists killing innocents round the world each day. searching his daughter's teddy bear or whatever may make dunces like markdcarter and other apologists feel better, but it is on its face ridiculous and a waste of time. i suppose a few hundred thousand people have to die at once for this pc nightmare to end.
archstan8 3 years ago 3
Why should the infringement of civil liberties make markdcarter feel better?
And why is he a "dunce" for correctly pointing out that Bin Laden worked for American Intelligence?
Blame your "pc nightmare" & the rise of politicised islam on Middle Eastern foreign policy, neo conservative politics & a complete disinterest in the fate of those living under Islamic regimes on behalf of the US government who wind them up, then let them go. Or is it just easier to utter the phrase "islamofascist"?
ftftttffttffttf 3 years ago
Muslims are largely being scapegoated by crafty criminals within the elite Zionist-UK-US power structure. Osama Bin Laden (died December 2001) was CIA agent Tim Osman, groomed by the likes of Zbigniew Brzezinski, Kissinger protege. 9/11 "hijackers" had Western intelligence agency training.
Wahabism and the Muslim Brotherhood have been cultivated by Western intelligence, in order to divide and conquer the oil-rich Arab world. Search: "Building 7", "Dr. Zack anthrax", "911 Missing Links".
markdcarter 3 years ago
Amis is another Rashid.
Maritime2009 3 years ago 2
Amis cant generalise and say that all muslims are bad or that Islam breeds terrorism. That is only a small minority of extreme fundamentalists that can be found in any religion. 10 years ago the Extremist catholics in Ireland were blowing things up.
thegimpen 3 years ago
I think you haven't listened to Amis' view or you're perhaps a little confused. Amis makes a clear distinction between Islam and Islamism. The latter is is clearly homophobic and has violent tendancies. Similarly the nationalist community (as were the loyalist) in N.I. were peaceful citizens going about their business. The fringe republicans embedded in criminality (IRA and the like) were the mindless thugs blowing up things. Amis has made the same distinction and is right to criticise.
cpjuk 3 years ago
"Similarly the nationalist community (as were the loyalist) in N.I. were peaceful citizens going about their business. The fringe republicans embedded in criminality (IRA and the like) were the mindless thugs blowing up things"
Ah yes, the peace loving loyalists, the peace loving RUC. The peace loving Michael Stone & Johnny Adair. "Fringe republicans"...you hun bastard.
ftftttffttffttf 3 years ago
Jesus Christ, you are confused. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're Catholic! A Catholic praising the loyalists for their peaceful behaviour...you ought to be lynched.
ftftttffttffttf 3 years ago
"10 years ago the Extremist catholics in Ireland were blowing things up"....the "extremist catholics" as you call them, were Irish republicans opposing the occupation of their country by the British. You can blame the British government for any bombs that killed anyone as surely as you can blame Israel, the US & any other illegal occupier of Islamic countries for the rise in Islamism. Terrorism is a symptom, not a cause.
ftftttffttffttf 3 years ago
Islam is not a race - it's a religion. It's a religion adhered to by blacks, whites, and Asians. Criticizing the tenets of a religion is obviously not the same thing as attacking a race of people.
scottvanska 3 years ago 5
Muslim however is an identity, an identity of a group of people who are largely non-white.
Attacking muslims has become a new form of attacking minorities via racism and unfortunately in some quarters it's seen as acceptable, when it isn't.
Attacking Muslims IS racist, because saying you're muslim isn't simply refering to religion, but your entire identity, background and culture.
xadlite 3 years ago
The writings of Martin Amis on the conflict with the middle east present some of the most empty, useless, puffed up crap you'll ever find on the subject. It's akin to having Disney's 'Aladdin' as your sole reference to Arabian history and culture. Quite why anyone's jumping to this bigoted, overrated twits defence is beyond me.
edbingey 3 years ago
Edbingey: "useless puffed up crap" just about sums up your post. You can't refute anything Amis says, so your resort to ad-hominem attacks with the usual accusations of racism and bigotry thrown in. I bet you stick your fingers in your ears and scream: "I'm not listening" when anyone tries to reason with you. Amis is correct about Islamism.
threecundies 3 years ago
What's wrong with Aladdin? It's a great movie. You should check out 'The Second Plane'. I think he might temper his criticism, but what do you do with these fuckers who just want to kill everyone who doesn't agree with them. Fuck these arseholes. They just need to pray, commit to their faith and so forth and leave everyone else alone. That;s the problem with all religions. They just can't leave everyone else alone. 72 virgins and all that bullshit, have it, but leave everyone else alone.
bootymanager 2 years ago
sorry but if only a certain group in doing something....
Mahoivlich 3 years ago
I cannot stand Yasmin Alibhai-Brown. Martin Amis rules.
littlegreymen 3 years ago 4
muslims,relax.there.
blatspanner 3 years ago
kneejerk liberal idealists,cool.feel it,like the balm.
blatspanner 3 years ago
New Left, so much alike the old Extreme Right. I have long admired Amis as a writer. Now I also agree with with politica views.
libertymad 4 years ago 4
Bravo to Mr. Amis for having the courage to tell the truth when he knows doing so will place a bulls-eye on his forehead for every "marxist literary critic" and muslim terror apologist who wants some attention at the expense of a greater man than they will ever be.
seans10 4 years ago 4
I love amis! Read his latest book "the second plane". He's been taken horribly out of context by the islington dinner party circuit. He's really quite nice & liberal.
Alessandro1985 4 years ago 2
You're right. He's liberal, but not a sycophant. He knows when to stand up for something, rather than capitulating from every idea that might be construed as semi-conservative. That's what Eagleton did - took it out of context and extended liberalism into crass, unhindered sycophancy.
bobbels101 4 years ago 3
The UK and Europe are so politically correct that anyone perceived as stepping out of line risks being publically denounced. The Bishop of Rochester has had widespread public condemnation for his mild comments AND lives under police protection. What price free speech?
Chaffinch4 4 years ago 3
You know, I agree with Amis. Nothing wrong with going with your urges, no matter how politically wrong they seem. That said, I have an atavistic urge to smack Amis in his smug face.
BlackProteus 4 years ago
The urge I'm sure you possess; it's the balls you lack.
seans10 4 years ago
You completely missed my point, chief. I'll dumb it down a bit for you: my statement implies that urges don't justify sentiments, which is what Amis advocates.
BlackProteus 4 years ago
I didn't miss your point. But now I'm afraid you've confused me. Isn't it the sentiment that precedes the urge? Thus wouldn't it make more sense to say that the sentiment (in this case anger) doesn't justify the urge (violence)? In any case, I appreciate that you're a man who can control his less civil impulses.
seans10 4 years ago
Fair enough.
BlackProteus 4 years ago
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Amis is one of the most overated authors of all time.
Swindlerman1 4 years ago
What is going on here? They are getting an actor to (badly) speak the words that Amis himself has already spoken publically - is Martin Amis the new Gerry Adams, ferchrissakes? I must've missed this broadcast when it first aired. It's quite funny, but no use at all. Thanks for posting it, though - it's amazing to see how many knots they can tie themselves in.
campbellonia 4 years ago 4
Amis is not a racist, only a clapped out confused Catholic Marxist like the mean spirited Eagleton could think so.
dogcrusoe 4 years ago 4
Good point. Being seen as politically wrong by a Marxist is like being seen as cold by Jack Frost.
campbellonia 4 years ago 4
This whole row portrays Amis as a racist. His remarks have been taken out of context.
Read what he has to say about it.
A loyal Amis fan.
gninnamelleinad 4 years ago 3