But how can you say that without matter nothing can sense. Does matter sense, is matter alive, does matter have a conscious. If matter is unconscious, how did it become conscious, how did it organize itself, how dies it feel pain&pleasure. You don't know what God is, therefore you can't say that just because there's no matter, God can be.
@cmpresents I said without matter there is nothing TO sense. It doesn't matter how great your nose is if there is nothing to smell. It doesn't matter how great your vision if there is nothing to see. It doesn't matter what your capacity for knowledge is if there is nothing to know. Thought is not possible if there is nothing to think about.
Human minds are too "stupid" to comprehend the mighty power of God. there are some things that God does not want to tell us becuase if we do understand the way he works then there would be no point of FAITH....it all has to do with faith, without faith there is no point of living through the test called life (earhtly life). ...any questions or comments plz message me
Thank you so muck for the comment. Are minds are to small to comprehend the mind of God. We always want proof, evidence that something exist. People just need to accept that we are not Gods and we will nver know it all. Blessed are thoughs who haveent seen but still beleive.
I also think that if G-d was/is/always will be omniscient, then to me, the implication is that the time it took G-d to become omniscient is a fraction of a nanosecond, i.e. there would not have been a time when G-d acquired his knowledge/omniscience over eons of years - it just "sprouted" instantaneously. Of course, I don't believe that shit, but I just thought I'd throw that out there.
Gods complexity could develop in what appeared to be space to one observer and time to another. God could be eternal to our time and still have developed complexity from simplicity in spatial dimensions. If three persons exist in one God they always had someone to talk to.
The Bible is full of cases where all of something refers simply all that was meant. God may possess infinite power and not be able to do the logically impossible or go against his character. Creating all things means all things that have been created.
Bible believing theists have invented their own straw man God. Even if God created our heavens and earth from nothing this does not mean God was not in a parent space-time that he did not create, where his word acted as a catalysis to stimulate an extremely low entropy child space-time, our heavens, to expand. Perhaps God brought everything into existence in our space-time this way .
God can have all knowledge in existence and not know every choice that free moral agents will make. In Jer.19:5; 32:35 God is quoted as saying that certain events did not come into Gods mind. By using statistics and making things happen God can know the overall course of the future. If Gods knowledge of the future comes from causing a creative plan to unfold God can be said to be creative.
I used the words "could have" many times in my discussion. The use of "could have" imply s only possibility. I should have used could instead of can in every case. This is my error.Your criticism is justified. I will try to be more careful in the future. Thanks for pointing this out.
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That is exactly my point though. If God always knew everything, then he couldn't design or create anything. He is reduced to a kind of cumputer where everything has always been stored, but the computer never created anything itself. It must follow it's programming. A god like that is a slave to his prior knowledge. To do anything differently than it has always conceptually been would mean he was wrong about how it would be. He is just fate personified, not the god of the Old Testament at all.
Great vid! But this is kinda like asking, "can unicorns exist?" I know the whole "unicorn" argument has been beaten to death already, but it always serves as a perfect example.
The main point here is: sure, anything CAN exist....it all boils down to the supporting evidence. It's really an astonishingly simple premise; I can't understand for the life of me why people over analyze this basic principle, and start getting into philosophy.
No direct evidence for X should = NO belief in X.
Actually I don't believe ANYTHING can exist. There are cases like "square circles" in which the characteristics of squares and circles contradict each other to the point that something can't be both square and circle. Same thing applies to a God to whom too many magnificent characteristics are attributed.
True, I have to agree with you on that one; you actually made a very good point... that's EXACTLY how I look at the idea of a god - a square circle - aka, impossible.
Of course there will always be the weak-minded people that force themselves to believe, and just settle for it being a square with rounded edges... ;)
Until humanity can overcome its petty emotions I doubt we will ever crack this nut as so many people have everything invested in fear and comfort that they really care of nothing else.
Until we know what the universe is and if it serves some other purpose than existence and perpetuating itself saying something cooked it up is a foolish conclusion.
I think these are solid arguments against God, but unfortunately I think most Christians will shrug them off, as they are philosophical. Paul repeatedly instructs the sheep in his letters to ignore philosophical debates, which then creates this vicious cycle.
I still think the best defense is still going right at the Bible and exposing it as false. If you can prove at least one contradiction it will at least get them thinking.
But how can you say that without matter nothing can sense. Does matter sense, is matter alive, does matter have a conscious. If matter is unconscious, how did it become conscious, how did it organize itself, how dies it feel pain&pleasure. You don't know what God is, therefore you can't say that just because there's no matter, God can be.
cmpresents 5 months ago
@cmpresents I said without matter there is nothing TO sense. It doesn't matter how great your nose is if there is nothing to smell. It doesn't matter how great your vision if there is nothing to see. It doesn't matter what your capacity for knowledge is if there is nothing to know. Thought is not possible if there is nothing to think about.
tillnow67 5 months ago
aaaaahhh.....Now I'm going to have to go back and read my bRible........damn it !
Great vid! Agreed.....
000theaug000 2 years ago
Human minds are too "stupid" to comprehend the mighty power of God. there are some things that God does not want to tell us becuase if we do understand the way he works then there would be no point of FAITH....it all has to do with faith, without faith there is no point of living through the test called life (earhtly life). ...any questions or comments plz message me
FqknFreshKid 2 years ago
Thank you so muck for the comment. Are minds are to small to comprehend the mind of God. We always want proof, evidence that something exist. People just need to accept that we are not Gods and we will nver know it all. Blessed are thoughs who haveent seen but still beleive.
mt077 2 years ago
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FqknFreshKid 2 years ago
Cool approach to the subject.
And right you are!
HomoTriSapien 2 years ago
Great points & video. 5/5 & faved!
I also think that if G-d was/is/always will be omniscient, then to me, the implication is that the time it took G-d to become omniscient is a fraction of a nanosecond, i.e. there would not have been a time when G-d acquired his knowledge/omniscience over eons of years - it just "sprouted" instantaneously. Of course, I don't believe that shit, but I just thought I'd throw that out there.
WntrSolstice2012 2 years ago
This is my second time watching this video, I think that you presenting this argument outlines your undeniable depth in thinking.
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wisamonline 2 years ago
Gods complexity could develop in what appeared to be space to one observer and time to another. God could be eternal to our time and still have developed complexity from simplicity in spatial dimensions. If three persons exist in one God they always had someone to talk to.
quantumcook 2 years ago
The Bible is full of cases where all of something refers simply all that was meant. God may possess infinite power and not be able to do the logically impossible or go against his character. Creating all things means all things that have been created.
quantumcook 2 years ago
Bible believing theists have invented their own straw man God. Even if God created our heavens and earth from nothing this does not mean God was not in a parent space-time that he did not create, where his word acted as a catalysis to stimulate an extremely low entropy child space-time, our heavens, to expand. Perhaps God brought everything into existence in our space-time this way .
quantumcook 2 years ago
God can have all knowledge in existence and not know every choice that free moral agents will make. In Jer.19:5; 32:35 God is quoted as saying that certain events did not come into Gods mind. By using statistics and making things happen God can know the overall course of the future. If Gods knowledge of the future comes from causing a creative plan to unfold God can be said to be creative.
quantumcook 2 years ago
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So, who was it that god spoke to? and why should we believe that god in-fact spoke to him?
I ask because you state these things as fact?
DontLoseTheLesson 2 years ago
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I used the words "could have" many times in my discussion. The use of "could have" imply s only possibility. I should have used could instead of can in every case. This is my error.Your criticism is justified. I will try to be more careful in the future. Thanks for pointing this out.
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ndhimerded 2 years ago
Excellent points and well said! :)
intune156 2 years ago
That is exactly my point though. If God always knew everything, then he couldn't design or create anything. He is reduced to a kind of cumputer where everything has always been stored, but the computer never created anything itself. It must follow it's programming. A god like that is a slave to his prior knowledge. To do anything differently than it has always conceptually been would mean he was wrong about how it would be. He is just fate personified, not the god of the Old Testament at all.
tillnow67 2 years ago
Great vid! But this is kinda like asking, "can unicorns exist?" I know the whole "unicorn" argument has been beaten to death already, but it always serves as a perfect example.
The main point here is: sure, anything CAN exist....it all boils down to the supporting evidence. It's really an astonishingly simple premise; I can't understand for the life of me why people over analyze this basic principle, and start getting into philosophy.
No direct evidence for X should = NO belief in X.
siciliano29 2 years ago
Actually I don't believe ANYTHING can exist. There are cases like "square circles" in which the characteristics of squares and circles contradict each other to the point that something can't be both square and circle. Same thing applies to a God to whom too many magnificent characteristics are attributed.
tillnow67 2 years ago
True, I have to agree with you on that one; you actually made a very good point... that's EXACTLY how I look at the idea of a god - a square circle - aka, impossible.
Of course there will always be the weak-minded people that force themselves to believe, and just settle for it being a square with rounded edges... ;)
siciliano29 2 years ago
My thoughts are....
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Brilliant points you bring up. So deep yet so simple. Great stuff! Don't let another 7 months go by before the next one!
KingHeathen 2 years ago
Until humanity can overcome its petty emotions I doubt we will ever crack this nut as so many people have everything invested in fear and comfort that they really care of nothing else.
Until we know what the universe is and if it serves some other purpose than existence and perpetuating itself saying something cooked it up is a foolish conclusion.
Mahoivlich 2 years ago
Wayne,
I like your train of thought. I'm going to chew on it a day or so.
My present line of thinking has been about a sinless heaven, and the consequences, What happens to freewill in heaven?
justintempler 2 years ago 2
"My present line of thinking has been about a sinless heaven, and the consequences, What happens to freewill in heaven?"
I remember thinking about that as a christian and being like WTF?! Then I dropped it, b/c it obviously made me uncomfortable.
RobotzAreAwesome 2 years ago
Good to see you back!
I think these are solid arguments against God, but unfortunately I think most Christians will shrug them off, as they are philosophical. Paul repeatedly instructs the sheep in his letters to ignore philosophical debates, which then creates this vicious cycle.
I still think the best defense is still going right at the Bible and exposing it as false. If you can prove at least one contradiction it will at least get them thinking.
RobotzAreAwesome 2 years ago
RobotzAreAwesome,
Here's a hard one for them to refute:
Compare the list of the Israelites who returned from Babylon to Jerusalem
Ezra ch 2 vs Nehemiah ch7
justintempler 2 years ago
Yeah, that one is ALL over the place. I'm saving that for the right time with a believer who just loves the story of Ezra.
RobotzAreAwesome 2 years ago