So You Think - Prince Of Wales's Stakes 2011

[evileaten]

dettori you beast.

[JPD639]

The 2 narrow defeats at Royal Ascot for SYT in 2011 are the races thats hurt SYT reputation, more then his other 2 loses at the Arc and Breeders Cup Classic where he had good excuses in both for losing. Still one of my favourite Horse in training!!!

I hope AOB doesnt race SYT at a mile in 2012 as he suggested after the BC Classic.

AOB should watch the 2009 Caulfield Guineas.

[SoulSurvivor79]

Best European g1 of the year imo. The battle down the straight between Rewilding and So You Think was awesome, a race i won't forget for a long time with all the hype surrounding the race regarding SYT in his first Uk start. The commentary was great also.

[GBeret83]

I don't think it was SYT's conditioning that caused him to lose this race as much as it was just a very poorly timed ride by Ryan Moore. The Prince of Wales's Stakes is another G1 win that should've been on SYT resume if he had been ridden correctly. JMO.

[tigerarmyrule]

Frankie old son it was the horse not you.....this kind of self congratulatory pointing to oneself in victory nay be OK to the soccer terrace yobs but has no place in racing.

[Flatzee1]

Dato Tan Chin Nam.... You robbed Australian racing and the Australian people of a great horse

[patali09]

come home so you think,

so you can stop losing my cash

[MrSmid888]

Wouldnt of won with the new whip rule in the U.K.

[ThomasWaters91]

@MrSmid888 Spot on and it makes me sick

[tommytheblue9]

RIP rewilding... would of won the arc this year for sure... so you think was a great horse in australia, uk racing is a different prospect altogether though

[taykyl001]

@academy333 mmm ok i will try. Horses have the tap, thats all they need. Some horses need a fraction,then more beyond that, no need if they dont respond. They wont look at a good horse from Phar Lap days he didnt like the whip, & he let u knew about it. My fav of horse is Phar Lap, well looked how he helped people through the 29 depression. Anyway I go SYT only with my heart. A OBRIEN again he if looses u are to blame. HE shouldnt loose the race.

[adsonjetson]

So you think looses, but, breaks the heart of another contender!

[goodfella30]

wow what a race!

[taykyl001]

@GBeret83 LOL he is facing the sister. How cute.

[BetterInFull]

RIP Rewilding. Great race that I won't forget. It's tough when horses who are at their peak pass on. I was looking forward to seeing Rewilding at Le Arc. In another lifetime perhaps.

[jacksonarmour]

the jockey was the excuse steven arnold from aus would of had that

[jacksonarmour]

pacemakers.....use are all jokers......

[MrSmid888]

Horse Racing Chat on Facebook,check it out.

[taykyl001]

@MrSmid888 Oh really, not on Facebook, will b.

[SoulSurvivor79]

@shalakhani Im not wanting to be disrespectful to the memory of the wonderful Rewilding but i was just wanting to ask if you will be putting the KG race on youtube?Or is it to graphic to watch?

[Grifiki]

"Every GP1 Thoroughbred can run 4fl in 46 seconds, but only the guy in the saddle can decide, and divide the fractions!"

[TheRealJoeSparrow]

i felt sick for two days after this race, i put a stupid amount of money on so you think and i hate frankie for being a cunt and winning...cunt......still, frankie has won me a few quid over the years so i wont hold any grudges....cunt. i look forwards to black caviar at royal ascott next year...maybe i can loose even more money

[1991njl]

Due credit to Rewilding, he ran a very good race by the look of it and I'll start of by saying I'm not an avid follower of English racing. Nonetheless I was surprised by how early SYT made his run and I have watched every race SYT has ever run and since early 2010 the only times I've ever seen him lose he took the lead quite early in the race. It reminded me of the Melbourne Cup, where he sprinted early and was run down by a more traditional stayer.

[seftonise]

Your all fucking idiots. Obrien said he was underdone. He was just setting him up for the eclipse. Oh by the way, he thrashed workforce. All this bullshit about Dettori whipping Rewilding.If you've got your hard earned on a horse you want the jockey whipping the shit out out of it.He won the fucking race for fuck sake.

[Spursrule1969]

@seftonise Thrashed Workforce? What race was you watching????

[ASupremeOwl]

@seftonise You are a complete fucking moron. Whipping the shit out of a horse? There living animals and quite rightly there are rules implemented to stop excessive whipping. Im a huge racing fan and this horse lost its life today and it puts things into prespective. By the way SYT thrashed WF, Like someone as said... What fucking race were you watching? He beat him a half lenfgth in the final furlong. Jog on you clueless muppet..

[WolfCreekCity]

@seftonise I'd like to whip the shit out of you.

[fatnixie347]

boring commentary for a terrific race

[WolfCreekCity]

I HATE Frankie Dettori!!!

It seems like everyone watching this video is BLIND!! He whipped that horse 27 times over the last 200 meters!! Luckily he he wasn't aloud to race for the next 11 days after doing so. I'll say it again, I HATE him!!

[LVogt100]

@WolfCreekCity Ah okay, i think he knows how to ride race horses. That's why he won. What have you ever done?

[WolfCreekCity]

@LVogt100 He knows how to whip them. That's all

[farq69er]

bull shit there was only 7 horses in it

[prwilkinson]

What a joke that jockey was on So You Think.... Just let the horse go....

[GBeret83]

When you see that very patient, and extremely savvy ride given SYT to beat Workforce in the Coral-Eclipse. It certainly now more than ever calls into question why Ryan Moore was even aboard SYT in the Prince of Wales instead of Heffernan to begin with? Because I think a good many punters consider Workforce a better horse and on most occasions a tougher beat than Rewilding is. TJMO.

[SvendBosanvovski]

@GBeret83 Yes. Good call. But Rewilding is clearly different horse this season. The international panel are obviously impressed with the way he went after SYT. If SYT is stepped up to 12f it will get very interesting. R will not beat him again over 10f, particularly with Seamie riding him, nor will WF, but over the longer distance he will need to ridden very patiently. The Arc could be beyond him. Only 8 horses 5 or older have won it in 80 years.

[GBeret83]

@SvendBosanvovski, Much agreed. Can't say I'm 100% convinced that SYT will even turn up for this year's Arc? I relatively certain, barring an injury, that St Nicholas Abbey will be there. O'Brien also said after his Gold Cup win that he was going to train F&G for another shot at this year's Arc.

[SoulSurvivor79]

@Spursrule1969 See i was right about Rewilding and Sri Putras ratings improving.

[Spursrule1969]

Should have said both Rewilding and Sri Putra running career bests.

cont.

But i think you should use the European horses as a guide and fit SYT's rating into them, But they seem to have said, No lets use SYT rating and adjust the others????

[Spursrule1969]

Just been looking at the new ratings, I notice that rather than using Rewilding and Sri Putra's previous ratings which say they ran to their exact ratings in The POW, They have chosen to use SYT (126) as the guide and therefore had to upgrade Rewilding (127 +6) and Sri Putra (116 +3)

I have to disagree, Whats the most likely scenario, Both Rewilding running career bests or SYT rating being slighty wrong, It's not easy evaluating form in 2 continents.

[SvendBosanvovski]

@Spursrule1969 That is why the handicapping panel consists of official handcappers from the major racing centres in the world. They pool together an enormous amount of local and international knowledge together before coming to a consensus.

[Spursrule1969]

Looks like SYT will not take WF on in the KG, AOB says he will either go for the Irish Champion, Juddmonte International or have a break and maybe go for a 3rd Cox's Plate.

Looks like they want to stick to 10 furlongs. Of course we would accuse them of running scared over 12f.

[SvendBosanvovski]

@Spursrule1969 He is paid up for the Breeders Cup Turf.  A O'B is cleary keeping th options open, and being a canny Irishman will want to have the opposition guessing. Can SYT win the Arc? It seems to favour 3yos and horses capable of racing on or just off the pace with the capacity to sustain a very long run home. The dynamics of the race seem to exaggerate the advantage of the lighter weighted horses on the WFA scale. He will find it very hard to win in my view.

[SoulSurvivor79]

@Svenbosonvovski What happened to snowfairy? I havnt seen the race yet.

[SvendBosanvovski]

@SoulSurvivor79 She was first up and obviously lacking race fitness. She was about 9 lengths behind the winner, but not under pressure at the end. She's a great mare and will atone.

[SvendBosanvovski]

I'm dirty on the tactics, but you have to hand it to Frankie. He is a phenomenal rider, perfect timing, great balance, beautiful hands, and the athleticism of a man half his age. See how he urges Rewilding to the turn after having him sheltered behing the pack, sets to work with the left hand, straightens his mount after the turn and then goes for it with the right, never missing a beat the whole time. Beautiful to watch.

[drofheim]

@SvendBosanvovski he beat the horse in this race, no need for all those smacks he gave, think youre allowed nine then its a ban and he hit it 24 times.

[SvendBosanvovski]

The more time I watch this the irritated I become, knowing what completely idiotic ride this was. The idiot is urging the horse on at the 3f and whacking him with the whip at the 2.5. No wonder he got the wobbles at the 1/2f.  The jockey should have been taken to the tower an subjected to some old style English justice: a good flogging and his head displayed on a pike on the London Bridge, with a sign dangling from it declaring that he lost his head at the 3f post and never regained it!

[FIST2k8]

NO worries Sven it's still summertime. My Grannie still has her own hair so won't be feeling the cold for a few months yet if I'm wrong:0)You can't have it both ways Emmeby; AOB ran a pacemaker to help the hard pulling SYT settle and all was well until Ryan felt him starting to wilt 2f out. That could indicate he was terribly unfit or it may just be he found the pressure of real Group 1 racing a bit too much.

Time will tell but backing him against WF could be a very expensive way of finding out

[SvendBosanvovski]

@FIST2k8 Keep your money safe. WF cannot beat SYT in a sprint home. The latter ran a creditable third in the 3200m Melbourne Cup, the hardest staying race in the World to win, as many of your compatriots know. He brilliantly won the MacKinnon Stakes 3 days before, so he can stay. We used to be told our sprinters couldn't match it with your gracile champions and later our milers, until Starcraft and Haradasun put the record straight. Now its time for SYT to prove we can match it in your stayers.

[bgardiner2000]

@FIST2k8 There's a big difference between having a pacemaker to ensure a good pace and the break-neck speed that Jan Vermeer went at. They went within half a second of the track record for 10F at Ascot. SYT's greatest commodity is his ability to run sub 33's for the last 3F off a fair clip. You can tell by the way he drops them off at the top of the straight. A real Group 1 race? Like he's never faced one before? It was a absurd tactic poorly executed.

[emmelby]

@FIST2k8 Jan Vermeer was not a pacemaker, he was a sacrificial bunny. The two are not the same. A pacemaker is run much closer to the field, and not 7 or 8 lengths out in front, going at breakneck speed and walking the final two furlongs . This sort of "tactic" is cynical at best and is not permitted in NZ or Australia. If he'd been a genuine pacemaker, and given a chance in the race, fine. It still doesn't change the fact that the riding tactics were hopeless.

[bgardiner2000]

@FIST2k8 I hate to gloat... but I really feel like it. Although hats off to Workforce. He's definitely the best horse SYT has beaten... to date. But this definitely demonstrates how disastrous the tactics were that Balleydoyle employed in the POW. Maybe it's Workforce who couldn't handle the pressure of Group 1 racing?

[Spursrule1969]

@bgardiner2000 What are you on about? WF had everything against him and ran a cracking race, He just got beat by a better horse over 10 furlongs on fast going.

[SvendBosanvovski]

@Spursrule1969 A O'B dropped the pacemaker, because it worked against SYT in this. WF's only hope of beating SYT was to have a fast pace and turn tghe race into a staying test by going for it from the 3f. WF had every thing in his favour. As I have said before, SYT ran 2m 21.4 over 1400m at Royal Randwick as a 3yo, so there was no way Workforce could outsprint him. It is simply wrong to suggest tthe Eclipse was not run to suit WF.

[SoulSurvivor79]

@Spursrule1969 Are you telling me that rewilding has run the third fastest pow since 1979 and he only ran a 121?

[Spursrule1969]

@SoulSurvivor79 Firstly The POW used to be a Group 2 race, I think it changed when Dubai Millennium won in 2000, First Island ran a 2.02.76 and he was very much a Group 2 horse. He was getting beat anywhere between 3-6Lengths by Bosra Sham and Halling, I dont remmeber his rating but it would have been around 120. Running fast times isn't really a guide to a horses talent. Because each year the going can be different. I can certainly remember it raining at Ascot most years.

[SvendBosanvovski]

@Spursrule1969 Tell me more about First Island's win. Was it a a very dry track that year? Was there a big tail wind up the striaght? It seems extraordinary that group 2 horse could run the equivalent of a second faster than horse that frequently beat it by those margins. Is there a UK site that presents course records and race results further back than Racing Post?

[SoulSurvivor79]

@Fist2k8 Getting caught having first run? How is that syts fault the jockey controls when the horse makes its finishing run. Go grow a brain!

[FIST2k8]

This he went too soon and he wasn't trained hard enough is BS. A real top class Group 1 horse would not have been caught getting first run like that. Biggest joke of the century is he's now fav to beat Workforce in the Eclipse DOH!!! I'll eat my granny's hat if he does.

[SvendBosanvovski]

@FIST2k8 Poor Granny. She's hatless henceforth.

[bgardiner2000]

@FIST2k8 BTW... I hear salt goes well with granny's hat. As would a good chianti.

[SvendBosanvovski]

@bgardiner2000 Or humble pie and crow? 

[GBeret83]

SYT may not have been quite as fit as Aidan O'Brien thought for this race? But I don't think that's what got him beat. #1-SYT doesn't need a pacemaker in any of his races. He's got a very fast cruising speed all his own. #2-Ryan Moore totally committed SYT for home too early, and he just got caught paddling by a stellar stayer in Rewilding. If Moore had waited just a bit longer to commit SYT for home? I think he hold's off Rewilding's late charge, and win's the Prince of Wales. TJMO.

[slobzer]

i think frankie had alot to do wit rewilding getting up,and people in uk dont jump off SYT he is an awesome horse and once he starts to show his best use will love him

as much as oz and nz does,he sprinted and won the race when he was asked too,but unfortunatley he was asked to early and just got tired late,thatwas a fitness contest not a horse race

[SoulSurvivor79]

@Spursrule1969 And why is the sts comment interesting? Is it because you said sts is overrated and you think syt is overrated? Syt will win the eclipse and defeat workforce. I have no doubt at all. And will remain undefeated for the rest of the season. Hes a champion.

[Spursrule1969]

@SoulSurvivor79 SYT over-rated? Maybe, Maybe not! I just dont think anything he has done in Europe justifies a 126 rating, The best horse he has ran against beat him and Rewilding only has a 121 rating. Yeah maybe it's not the best ride but he had every chance and the constant hyping up isn't doing his reputation any favours. The suggestion that Rewilding and Sri Putra have improved when they run to within 1lb is annoying too. That was Rewilding's 1st run in 3 months and Sri Putra is consistent.

[SoulSurvivor79]

@Spursrule1969 Yeah that probably was a bad example. Maybe i should instead used the 86 breeders cup turf. Not trying to diminish the legendary db just highlighting the best horse doesnt always win because of other things have come into play and it gutted the english racing enthusiasts. Just like syts pow with the australasians.

[SoulSurvivor79]

@Spursrule1969 Im not making excuses. It was a incompetant ride. And he wasnt fully fit. And you poms cant talk. Go and have a look at the posts on the 86 derby. And the excuses made for dancing brave. He will win the eclipse and any other race he contests this prep. And to be honest the only horse that europe has produced of late that would give a fully fit syt a battle over 10f would be sts.

[Spursrule1969]

@SoulSurvivor79 I agree with you that is was a poor ride. But how much SYT would improve for a better ride is open for debate, I though coming around the turn he would go on to win 4/5 lenghts, However comparing it to the 86' Derby is just utter nonsense, Dancing Brave wasn't given a chance to win, SYT HAD every chance but got OUT-BATTLED.

As for STS, He was the most over-rated horse i'be seen in 25 years of watching horse-racing. It's interesting you put SYT up with him.

[SvendBosanvovski]

@Spursrule1969 You will have "eyes to wonder, but lack tongues to praise", to quote the Bard, when he confirms the huge raps. This is a very good English field of throughbreds, but it is too short for a Workforce, Await the Dawn isn't good enough, Canford Cliffs won't start, and Snow Fairy won't be forward enough to trouble So You Think. They can't beat him home off a slow pace, so there will be a pace maker, and If AO'B has 'him fully wound up, he will win comfortably.

[SoulSurvivor79]

@SvendBosonovski What are your thoughts on SYT running his races as a frontrunner? I know hes predominetly raced in a drop in position and he didnt like racing out the back in the loss to i think starspanglebanner when he missed the start. I forget the race. He just comes across to me like he could dictate terms outgallop the field and use his wonderful turn of foot in the last couple of furlongs. Like a might and power or dubai millenium.

[SvendBosanvovski]

@SoulSurvivor79 He is an extraordinary horse. UK fans who dismiss him on the basis that run are in for a very rude shock. This horse ran 1400m in 1m 21.4 as a three year old, on a track rated dead three hours before. They can't beat him with speed. He won the Mackinnon Stakes, after winning his second Cox Plate, and 3 days later finished 3rd over "2 miles" in the Cup. They won't outstay him. Steve Arnold, his Aussie jockey, has offered to ride him in the Eclipse and if he does SYT will win.

[SoulSurvivor79]

@SvendBosanvovski Yeah your right looking at the race again. It was a planned move to have JanVermeer as the pacemaker. The two jockeys were just incompetant with tactics. The aussie jockeys you mentioned are in a different league to moore they would of known exactly how to ride syt to accomadate for his lack of fitness. Especially if they had rode Syt in his previous start.

[thesn000p]

@SoulSurvivor79 - Like moore and obrien, boss/arnold/beadman wouldnt have known the horse was unfit until after he lost. I agree moore went too early but your great riders aren't infallible either. e.g. 2009 Emirates Stakes Boss went too early on SYT and lost and was sacked as SYT's rider. Arnold was publicly lambasted by a trainer earlier this year for a ride he botched. I think if you examine moore's record you'll acknowledge that they're all great riders irrespective of nationality

[SvendBosanvovski]

@thesn000p I would put our great jockeys up against any. They ride tighter, in bigger fields and are fabulous at judging pace. Some have ventured to the Uk and become legendary in your neck of the woods, such as the Scobie Breasley, Edgar Britt, Pat Glennon, Neville Selwood, and the greatest of the all "cotton fingers" George Moore, who raced there when Lester Piggott was in his prime. They all left a stunning impression with those who saw them. Scobie and George rode for the HM The Queen.

[Spursrule1969]

@SoulSurvivor79 Stop making excuses, The horse lost fair and square!

According to the riders @ballydole, "SYT is the best horse they've ever ridden" Bearing in mind they've had some pretty good horses there, I find it hard to believe that they now claim he wasn't fit. PLEASE!!

Of course they are gonna have to say that, Bearing in mind how much they paid for him, Not exactly gonna say he's a donkey are they? His stud value will drop big time if he doesn't win the Eclipse.

[SvendBosanvovski]

@Spursrule1969 You are entitled to your opinion, but the excuses are real, not imaginery, and you will see that on Saturday. Time for talking is over and the real SYT will step up to the plate at Sandown. I just hope that Aiden O'Brien takes up Steve Arnold's offer. He would have much to teach the great man about this horse. I have no doubt whatsoever, that if he'd ridden him in the PoW, knowing how fast he can finish a race, he wouldn't have gone at the 3.5f, that is for certain.

[SoulSurvivor79]

@GBeret83 Maybe the horse was meant to be a pacemaker. It could also be the horse had to go the lead because it had nowhere to go. And the jockey being from the obrien stable also should of paced the race alot better from the front and given syt cover. Im sure the clown on janvermeer was obriens son. I might be wrong on that one.

[SvendBosanvovski]

@SoulSurvivor79 No mate. A dumb tactic badly executed by the jockeys. SYT, lacking fitness, was forced to sustain a 2.5 furlong finish off a solid early pace. The Ascot 10f is much harder than the final 2f at Mooney Valley, where he followed a similar pattern. But with Bart he had 5,200m of hard racing behind him, plus solid weekly trackwork. Here he had two soft wins of about 4,000m and very light work beween, according to A O'B. We can expect quite a bit of improvement at Sandown.

[SoulSurvivor79]

@GBeret83 Janveermeer came from a wide barrier and had no gate speed to come across from the start and take a good position. The jockey had two choices because he was three or four wide with no cover to drop right out to the back of the field and to take up a position at the tail of the field or push forward to cut across and lead.

[SvendBosanvovski]

@SoulSurvivor79 Can you imagine Darren Beadman, Glen Boss or Steven Arnold rising the horse like that in those circumstances? Look he may have taken the lead where he did, but the great Aussie riders would have known that his fitness was suspect, nursed him for a final 200 or so. Rewilding might have been on terms, but SYT has won WFA sprints.

[GBeret83]

Godolphin should send Rewilding and Mastery together to Longchamp this year. Those two would give Godolphin a strong hand for this year's Arc De Triomphe, IMO.

[emmelby]

I thought Rewilding put in a great effort to win this, he's obviously class, although it's interesting to note the whip use. I was surprised not only by just how big SYT looked before the race, but also by the tactics used. I hate ANY race with a bunny in it, that's a shit thing to do to any horse and I have no time for it. SYT wasted more energy pulling than he would've if he'd been given a touch more rein. Here was a prime opportunity to win a G1 at a classic meet and it was blown.

[GBeret83]

@emmelby, I think you're absolutely correct. SYT doesn't need a pacemaker to run at. He's got an awfully fast cruising speed himself. Jan Vermeer ran 4th in the G1 Epsom Derby, 3rd in the G1 Irish Derby, and 3rd in the G1 Grand Prix De Paris. I could understand if O'Brien had put Jan Vermeer into this race to let him run to try and win it, or to make the frame? But to put a horse of his class in just to be used up as a pacemaker makes absolutely no sense to me either?

[SvendBosanvovski]

@emmelby Being a Kiwi, you will know it is illegal in Australia, because it fails to allow all horses to compete on merit. Think of the novice punters who have backed the "bunny". They do their money cold. It creates an artificial outcome, and favours big stables. Small stables don't have the luxury of sacrificing one horse's chances for another. It would require fradulent collaboration (agreeing to deliberately loose) or an act of bad faith towards the owner whose horse is "sacrificed".

[emmelby]

@SvendBosanvovski Exactly mate. I've seen similar things happen in harness racing, in cases where the leading horse is the favourite, and team driving leads to one horse being pummeled in order to thrash the legs out of the favourite. Personally, I think it's disgraceful, and it does nothing but bring shame to the sport. Team driving/riding that includes the use of sacrificial horses is not something I will ever condone.

[AussieGozie]

Ryan Moore what were you doing....how could you loose on a Champion like So You Think. Maybe too confident......

[Katabatic77]

i wondered the same thing about rewilding, whether the trip would be too short, although i remember some people thought that about fantastic light before this race too, and he won.

the thing is, with give the slip setting a very fast pace that day, and jan vermeer doing the same here, it made it seem like a mile and a half race, and was a true test of stamina over a middle distance.

[Katabatic77]

rewilding's worst run was when he ran in the leger and presumably didnt stay, so its fair to say, if 1m6 was too far, 1m 4 was perfect, it was always possible that a strongly run 10f would be ok.

the horse has a serious turn of foot, theres no doubt about that. he showed it twice before, in dubai this year, and at york last year. dont make excuses for the runner up.

some people automatically assume it went wrong, just because the horse lost. it had every chance, and was beaten on merit.

[bgardiner2000]

@Katabatic77 I tend to agree. I do think that RM might have gone a tad early but hats off to the winner. The pair streeted the rest of the field. I think Balleydoyle will learn a lot from that run. SYT is a gross horse that needs a lot of work and he looked a lot heavier than he did even in the Tat's GC. But Rewilding did win on merit. It was a super run in a race that was run perfectly to suit him.

[GBeret83]

Rewilding is most definitely a legit G1 horse, and was even before he won the Sheema Classic. My only concern about Rewilding was if 10f would suite as well as 12f, and it did. I don't believe SYT needs a pacemaker to run at. He's got a high cruising speed of his own anyway. Why,. if you're O'Brien, would throw a horse with the talent of Jan Vermeer into this race just to use him up as a pacemaker? After running 4th in the Epsom Derby, 3rd in the Irish Derby and 3rd in the Grand Prix De Paris?

[manlyfanatic]

I dont think he has much of an excuse here, the winner is very good and would win a melbourne cup. If they are saying he wasnt fully fit then why the hell wasnt he? Its pretty poor of the trainer to not know exactly how fit he is bart wouldnt have let that happen. I dont think he likes the longer straights, he was beaten at flemington twice and mooney valley has a short straight where he just looked unbeatable. Still its not a bad run they beat the rest of the field pretty easily.

[MrWhosurdaddy09]

alrite folks. frankie dettori picks up a nine day ban for excessive use of the whip. apparently he used it over 20 times. now can someone say he would have won the race if he had used his whip 10 times. clearly not as this horse had to be flogged to get his head in front. conversly if a jockey who wins a race and later gets a ban for whatever reason; should they not lose the race. im not saying frankie should have been stripped of the race

[ge5217]

@stpaddy3810 lol, wait for the Arc Dude. Hopefully O'Brien will have teh Champ fully fit by then. Just got a stitch in the last 100 and the winner is no slouch.

[SvendBosanvovski]

I don't know what all the bagging of SYT is about. They ran within half a second of the fastest time ever run in this race, streeting a group 1 field. And the way the race was run, the unkind way he travelled and his obvious serious lack of fitness demonstrate that he really does have the good. Have another look. It was an exhilarating performance. He will be a different proposition in the Eclipse. Aidan O'Brien should get on the blower to Bart for a few inside tips.

[EliteMagnifique1]

@SvendBosanvovski Excuses excuses :D Anyone with a bit of common sense would have backed Rewilding in this race. It has performed against far better horses than SYT ever has.

[SvendBosanvovski]

@EliteMagnifique1 SYT and the best UK horses have been entered for the Coral Eclipse, including Snow Fairy, Await the Dawn, Workforce and Cityscape. Leading bookies have Workforce just shading SYT in the betting, some have them equal. So the UK bookies, the most astute on the planet, saw enough not to be lulled into thinking he is overhyped: we all know what a great horse Workforce is. SYTwill win the Eclipse and this loss will be quickly forgotten.

[111yogi111]

get in dere !!!!!!!!!!!! ye boys stick 2 ur sprinting leave the good races 2 us

[SoulSurvivor79]

@JuggaloDeano totally agree with your comment. The jockey should of went to the lead instead of holding syt back for the pacemaker. The so called pacemaker ran right into syt when he cut back in when taking the lead. Damn jockey cost syt the win. I hope in future races if that happens again that obrien scraps the pacemaker and tells the jockey to just run like a frontrunner.

[paulw38aus]

a monkey could of ridden better

[GBeret83]

I think Ryan Moore committed SYT a touch too early going for home, and he just ran into a legitimate G1 horse who's a proven stayer over 12f and further in Rewilding. I'll be the first to admit, I thought 10f would be a trip too short for Rewilding. But not a bit of it. Rewilding ran a very decent Epsom Derby. Beat a tough Great Voltigeur field, and beat tough Sheema Classic field. Rewilding is very definitely a G1 horse. One of the better horses that SYT has faced in his career, IMO.

[88badbilly]

Coolmore dont train as hard as Bart Cummings did in Australia and it showed. He would never have lost that race if Bart was his current trainer.

[GBeret83]

@88badbilly, right after the race was over, Aidan O'Brien did a 5 minute interview with TVG, the American racing channel, and he said almost exactly what you're saying. O'Brien said he takes full responsibility for not having SYT 100% ready for this race. O'Brien told TVG he should have pushed SYT in harder races than the Mooresbridge Stakes and the Tattersalls Gold Cup to have prepared him correctly for the Prince of Wales.

[drofheim]

@88badbilly at 3:10pm there will be no excuses for So You Think if he loses.

[SvendBosanvovski]

@drofheim Great win by So You Think. The race was run to suit Workforce. On strightening, SYT seemed to have been held up the pacemaker on the turn which allowed Workforce a secure a break of about 2 lens. Heffernan looked as though he was about to go for a rails run, but then steadied SYT before running Workforce down. It was the reverse of the PoW. There can be no doubt that SYT went to the line very strongly here, and it proves what many of us have been saying about thatv race.

[drofheim]

@SvendBosanvovski Sri Putra was still the same distance away from So You Think, so there is a case that So You Think wouldn't have reversed the form with Rewilding even though he beat Workforce here, Workforce and Rewillding take each other on at Ascot in 3 week.

[Spursrule1969]

@drofheim Finally someone who finally talks common sense, Rewilding bt Sri Putra 6L & a Neck, SYT bt him 5L and 1/2L, exactly how is this a better performance?

Thought the race panned out how most of us thought, Hoping SYT goes for the King George, My money will be on Workforce.

[SvendBosanvovski]

@Spursrule1969 Following your fuzzy logic, you would be going for Rewilding, because he is a nk and a half length better than Workforce. The Eclipse was run to SYT and Workforce's strengths. If there had been no pacemaker, SYT would have won by a couple of lengths. In the PoW, SYT was ridden upside down. If you think he can't run out a strong 1.5, think again. A O'B, being the great trainer he is, has found the key to the horse and a rider of undoubted talent, judging from this.

[Spursrule1969]

@SvendBosanvovski I don't really see how you can say the race was set up for WF, He had everything against him, Trip too short, Going too fast, Small field, Had to lead from the 4 furlong pole (800M) [if you look at WF Derby and Arc wins he came from well off the pace, However it was the only way to beat SYT]. Despite those problems he was only btn 1/2L, I wonder what would happen over 12f on good-soft going?

[darwinbhoy]

@Spursrule1969 SYT will win easier 8 10 12 furlongs any going SYT is quite simply the better horse mate

[SvendBosanvovski]

@Spursrule1969 SYT is even better on soft going. Check out his form lines and watch a rereun of the Mackinnon Stakes. It was WF's stable that elected to use a pacemaker, because they knew that a slow early pace and sprint home would have seen SYT winning by 4 or 5 lens. They had to turn it into a test of stamina, which is why WF went for it just after the turn. You'll note from the replay that the pacemaker boxed SYT in until WF reachyed top speed and then fell off. Cont...

[SvendBosanvovski]

@Spursrule1969 ...Heffernan looked like he was anticipating a rails run just after strightening, but steaded the horse before tracking WF, and then went for the pursuader, closing very fast. Once he grabbed WF, he let SYT just run to the line. The tactics applied by the WF camp were the best available to them, perfectly executed. but just not good enough on the day. 1.5 miles? SYT is fully wound up now - 40lb lighter than his prime OZ weight. Let's see what A O'B wants to doi with him now.

[SvendBosanvovski]

@drofheim Sri Putra improved, too. Rewilding will never beat him again. Heffernan rode a great race, getting the best out of the horse by conserving his energy and using his superior sprinting ability. Great run by Workforce. He will be very hard to beat over 1.5 miles. If one accepted your logic, Rewilding would be about a length better than Workforce. I don't think so.

[talk2malawyer]

@88badbilly how can you tell the difference between the training techniques between the two trainers?

[ilyem]

I thought it was a poor ride by Jockey Ryan Moore. The horse has had a problem settling in the past and this time was no different you could see him pulling all the way to the corner. Jockey Moore should have held him and been more patient. But he rode him without cover the whole way. As soon as they hit the turn he was given full bore - the race was already being run at a strong tempo - so it was set up for a swooper. Jockey Dettori rated his mount perfectly by contrast.

[JuggaloDeano]

terrible tactics there. So You Think aint a stayer and does not need a pace maker. He needs to jump to the lead there, control the tempo and at around the 400m mark use his devastating turn of foot and nobody can run him down at WFA. Terrible tactics A. O'Brien.

[wraynes]

Two great horses going hammer and tongs. Agree syt isn't a stayer he's a nailed on miler and doesn't need a pacemaker. Didn't Frankie get the best out of Rewilding though, brilliant ride.