I never got this: If Henry loved Anne Boleyn and would do anything for her, why in the end did he technically kill her? Was it because she couldn't born a son or was it because Henry wanted to marry that one other woman but couldn't until he got arid of her? (Or is it both?)
Because she was a political liability,both nationally and internationally. The majority of the English people and most of Europe didn't accept her as queen. King Henry's image had taken a serious hit and there was the fact she hadn't produced a son. I suspect that he was quite pissed with her for those reasons and let's not forget,he already had one wife that fought him tooth and nail. Anne likely would have done the same. A harsher solution had to be found.
You cannot blame Anne for Henry wanting to divorce his wife because even when he started the divorce proceedings, he was writing to Anne asking her to be his "true loyal mistress and friend." He wanted Anne to warm his bed, not be his wife. It was after her continual refusal that he offered her marriage.
you know heres the bottom line the dude was selfish, and well you cant argue with the person who runs everything and is self centered/selfish! He will do what he wants and you have to go along with it!
I think that as his luck waned, Henry started to panic and wonder what had gone wrong with his life, the same as it had with Katherine. Then he likely got sick of Anne's meddling in affairs of state and her constant nagging about the women in his life, then the dead kids, so he wanted her out. Anne also inadvertantly taught Henry how to be so ruthless that he could in fact go so far as to butcher his second wife and her friends and also delegitimize his both his own daughters.
@TheScarymoviefan1 It is true that Henry was tired of this situation but he loved her, a few days before anne's demise, he was still trying to convince Charles V of Spain that she was the Queen. Nevertheless, people who wanted Anne's downfall said that she comitted adultery with a lot of men, even with her own brother george and that she was a witch who used her power to seduce the king and God knew of it, this was why they didn't have a living son and Henry was in love with Jane Seymour.
@TheScarymoviefan1 That is true, but it's ONLY part of the reason why they killed her. Anne was a reverent reformer and the break from Rome caused many conflicts within England and its foreign affairs. Thomas Cromwell was working in favor of the Roman Catholic Church and Anne was practically in his way because she was a reformation figure and Henry broke with the pope in order to marry her. She was accused of plotting against the king. Adultery and witch craft were used to show her as immoral.
Esto provocó una gran ira en Enrique, que estalló en cólera, gritando "¡Perra ingrata!. ¡Después de haberme arrodillado ante ti como un mendigo y de haberte hecho mi reina me deshonras ante todos, mancillando mi hombría!". Esta declaración influyó en la condena por traición y adulterio que recibió Ana Bolena.
The fact is many historians believe that Anne was indeed lovely, but not to the standards of the blonde hair, blue eyes and fair skin. she was a dark beauty
@dedrawilliams Wow. That's horribly judgemental. Well, no one's perfect. But I wouldn't wish having their head chopped off on anyone. By sword or by axe.
well its obvious the problem with the son has troubled henry for a long time but with anne, she(in my opinion) encouraged it so the whole thing went completely through...
I remember Dorothy Tutin playing Anne Boleyn in the movie Anne of A Thousand Days, with Richard Burton as the King. It came out in about 1970. I was about 12 at the time.
She was the best Anne Boleyn in my opinion. She had the eyes the laugh and the coquetry which first enchanted Henry then enraged him
I regard the King's appeal to the passage in leviticus as specious. The context of "you shall not uncover the nakedness of your brother's wife" was speaking, in its context, about who you may not fornicate with. the list is exhaustive, giving details that explodes the king's case. Luther clearly thought this as he did not back the divorce either.
Henry's bible scholarship was dishonest, and had i said so at the time he would have killed me
IMHO, Henry would have sought a divorce from Katherine even if he'd NEVER met Anne. He was desperate for a son and heir to hand down his kingdom to - and Katherine had hit menopause by that time.
It's always easy to blame the woman - "Eve tempted Adam and he fell" - but Henry was a king. He was used to getting his way LONG before Anne said, "No, I'm waiting until my wedding night."
@GwendolynRaine He waited six years to possess Anne, and not only sexually. You can wait if you're convinced that she's the one you have to have, I think.
"She was not beautiful by the standards of the day.." because she knew how to WORK it!!!! Use what you GOT to get what you WANT! -She was way ahead of her time! Go Anne!
I am reading up on the Tudor Dynasty and have watched many documentaries on this dynasty.. However, I am a little perplexed and frustrated in trying to learn what the R stands for- it was particularly noted in the newer versions of the Elizabeth movies starring Cate Blanchett..
Anybody, who could enlighten me I would greatly appreciate it..
not meant to be offensive, but Natalie Dormer is the perfect actress-wise...Anne Boleyn was very thin and not all that attractve(by today's standards...I imagine she would be closer to the look of Callista Flockhart(sp?) ) She was around thirty when she married Henry.
She was smart, beautiful and she had guts. I absolutely love her and it was sad how her husband turned on her in the end but he did really love her so much in the begginning. He turned on all his friends, broke with the catholic church and changed england forever just for her
Actually, he would have done all that just to rid himself of poor Catherine so he could take another woman to bear him a son. He never really loved any of his wives.
I reckon he did love Anne alot coz he practically killed his best friends, reformed england, risked excommunication and made many enemies and even sent Mary away all for Anne. So I think he did love her until he realized she was not able to bear him a son. He also mourned for Jane Seymour and Katherine Howard
If you love someone, you don't have them executed on trumped up charges, son or no son. And he would have done all that just to rid himself of Catherine of Aragon and get himself another woman to have a son, Anne or no Anne. And we know Jane was his favorite because she was the most mild mannered and gave him a son, yet he still betrayed her over the Pilgrimage of Grace and he still had Catherine Howard executed. Really, he loved nobody so much as himself.
No, he did all that for *himself* so he could have the son *he* wanted and look what he did *to* Anne and to all of them. Wanting someone and *loving* them are two completely different things. Love, *real* love, lasts and is not selfish.
It is well known that Henry VIII fell in love with Anne Boleyn.Historians confirms that with documents from the people of that time,letters from Henry VIII among other things.
Lust for another woman because she is younger and more fertile isn't love, especially if you order her executed for arguing with you and for no longer being able to have sons, then step over her dead body to marry someone else.
@TheQueenAlexandria When Anne lost to Cromwell's manoeuvers, Henry lost with her. And when Henry lost, Anne went to the scaffold. Politically speaking, the Tudor Court was a bloody game of chess. Love had nothing to do with it. The King and Anne got out moved.
you have to remember that anne was not in her twenties when she married and she was not beautiful. Natalie portman is far too emotional in the death scene . She is crying her eyes out when she takes off her b necklace and stuff when in real life she died with courage and dignity like a true queen of england.
She still died with courage and dignity in The Tudors.......
But she was human, they were about to cut off her head, I'M SURE she was emotional...... It's not like she was sobbing or anything. Natalie Dormer was perfect.
@Acinonyxjubatus7 no i meant natalie portman in the other boleyn girl! coz i would cry my eyes out and everything but natalie portman does it like that when in real life she didn't cry at all. But i loved natalie dormer! i thought they did the execution to perfection
even though history paints anne boleyn as a stoic at the time of her death, she would have been terrified. natalie portman's performance wasn't horrible, it just wasn't great. she portrayed anne's weak side. but if i was standing there in front of a crowd of thousands, feeling the suspense intensify, hoping the king is going to call off my execution only to find he isn't, i'd be shaking with fear and rage as well. personally i think natalie dormer was the best anne boleyn, hands down.
Sorry to diagree with you, but UGH, NO WAY, Natalie Portman wasn't very good as Anne at all. All emotional, doing stupid things that she knew might get her killed...I know I'm not the only person who admires the REAL Anne Boleyn, however, which is good.
natalie portman as anne boleyn really made me mad. She was all wrong for the role. Her acting/or the script was horrid. I dont know whos fault it was but that movie dissapointed me
A lot of people here seem to view Anne as an evil homewrecker :/ But Henry had a number of mistresses when married to Catherine so his relationship with her can't have been all that solid.
I respect Anne for thinking highly of herself rather than just becoming Henry's mistress. She was intelligent and she must have been unique to captivate Henry the way she did, especially as she didn't fit the 'standard' of beauty at the time. I find her fascinating.
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I agree, what I remember in history was that "Anne Boleyn" was a plain woman, she had no beauty at all, not like her sister "Mary" but what made Henry actractive to her was her intelligents, and opinons and she was very strong on views, I Love Natalie Dorm but to me she was just way to beautiful as Anne I understand people want to see beautiful people but there is more than just beauty, and The real anne was not beautiful, she was plain and Henry was not that hansome that is what i don't like.
That is so unfair, all that Henry did to her just because she didn't have a son and instead she had Elizabeth. That can't be controlled, he was such an arse! She was a great, strong willed woman, but the men always rulling didn't want such a powerful oponent. Go Anne
I do recall Mary's many betrothals, I, also, recall that Henry had a six year relationship with Anne prior to his divorce from Catherine. At some point within that period, Henry/Anne's self-serving trumped up charges that questioned the Aragon marriage no doubt reached the French court. What king would want to ally himself to a squabbling royal family where the royal marriage is being questioned by the sovereign himself? I'm not surprised that Francis I hesitated.
Again you miss out the fact that questions regarding the invalidity of the marriage predated Henrys decision to marry Anne; indeed such questions from outsiders - namely the French - may have triggered Henrys own outlook on his first marriage. And François on several occasions was very happy to press for alliances with England, particularly as he loathed Charles V.
Anything we disagree on now will be pure conjecture. We'll never know if Henry would not have divorced if not for Anne. My belief is he would not have. I believe Anne was the right combination of intelligence, ruthlessness, ambition & enormous sex appeal. This drove Henry over the edge. A woman like Anne comes once in a millineum. Just look at his other wives, not one would have been capable of pulling off the same coup. Anne was a VAMP in every sense of the word, a 16th century Cleopatra.
Hmmm, so now you note that we can't determine whether Henry would have divorced or not before meeting Anne thus you recognise that there is a possibility it had not to do with Anne. Which as a result questions the whole idea that Anne was a 'ruthless' woman getting the king to marry her. Furthermore to deem that a man like Henry, who displayed signs of ruthless even in his early years of rule, was triggered by Anne in some way is not only to ignore his previous actions but to deny him of agency.
Cleopatra did a lot of good for Egypt. Study her history and you'll learn that she wasn't just the seductress people have made her out to be. Same with Anne.
Yes, I know that Cleopatra did a lot of good for Egypt. She was a brilliant woman who spoke-- I believe-- at least 7 languages, she was a great diplomat and she fought to keep Egypt free from Rome. My comparison between Cleopatra and Anne was limited to their enormous power of persuasion and seduction. In this they were very similar.
Well, plans to get an anullment for the King had already started when Anne came into scene. Wolsey wanted to do a french alliance so Renee was in his mind all the time. But Anne and maiinly Uncle Norfolk knew how to use Anne against his bitter enemy: Cardinal Wolsey.
@Rayarena Cleopatra was a better woman than Anne. She got the throne through rightful succession, and not through unjustly murdering anyone. Also, she DID seduce men, but for different reasons. Cleopatra did it because she loved Egypt, Anne did it only for herself.
@evaperonfan You are absolutely right. There is no comparison between Cleopatra and Anne. Cleopatra was fighting for Egypt, Anne was in it for herself and if England was torn asunder as a consequence, well so be it!
@Rayarena yes. Anne may have done some good for England in helping bring the Reformation, but the Reformation hurt people too. The only good thing Anne did was Elizabeth.
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Anne was a horrible woman. Not only did she destroy a marriage, she, also, destroyed Mary's childhood & damaged her relationship with her once beloved father. Because of Anne's treachery [she was after all Catherine's lady-in-waiting & owed her loyalty] the Queen was dragged through the mud in a sleazy court case where her virginity prior to her marriage to Henry was questioned. What's more, Mary was branded a bastard. Now-a-day's this is nothing, but in the 16th century it was monstrous.
it depends however way you look at it if anne was a horrible woman because none of us were there at that time and we don't know what it was like and everyone sees anne differently as either a woman with great ambition or a whoring witch.
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I don't think that it depends on the way that one see its. Great ambition is not separate from evildoing. Often it is precisely those who are the most ambitious who do the most evil, simply put, they put their ambition before the well-being of others. Such was the case of Anne Boleyn.
If the tender, innocent, young Princess Mary and her mother, the beloved Queen Catherine, were collateral damage, so be it! Anne would get that crown even if it meant splitting the country in half!
I think to deem that Anne's ambition had a large factor in the fates of Katherine of Aragon or Mary is to overlook a significant individual in this - Henry VIII. It was he who repudiated his first marriage - and was drifting from Katherine before Anne was on the scene - and it was he who repudiated his daughter, made her agree to his terms and, most telling of all, once declared that he loved himself more than her did her. Henrys agency in all this is striking. Yet Anne is a easy scapegoat
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No doubt Henry was a despotic, self-absorbed man incapable of truly loving anybody, but he would have never gone as far as he did without Anne's manipulation and cajoling. Understanding what made him tick, she pushed him to desperation and if that meant throwing the bodies of Queen Catherine and the young, impressionable Princess Mary under the horse and carriage, so be it by God, she wanted that crown!
I'm not scapegoating Anne, I'm simply calling a spade a spade.
This is a highly simplistic view of the events that took place and again ignores the fact that Henry alone was quite capable of cruelty - he even became worse to Mary following Anne's death. Your comments also appear to be far too reliant on Chapuys's account which accused Anne of being behind Mary and Katherines conditions (unsuprising for a man who was viciously opposed to her). And you seem to ignore that the ambitions of *all* involved - including Anne and Katherine - helped shape events.
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I agree, Henry was quite capable of cruelty without Anne's manipulation. All that I'm saying is that Anne was the catalyst. The probability is that if Anne wouldn't have demanded marriage from Henry, he would have simply taken her on as a mistress & stayed married to Catherine, but she was clever, manipulative & ruthless. Henry was TNT waiting to explode & Anne skillfully tugged at all of the right strings. I think that history bears me right. That's not just Chapuy's version.
I don't think we can state that it was a 'probability that Henry would have remained married to Katherine had Anne not come along - considering we have evidence that investigation, namely for a French match, was around prior to Henry's decision to marry Anne. Furthermore Henry's cruelty predates Anne's arrival; lets not forget what he did to Empson and Dudley at the beginning of his reign. Blaming others for his cruelty is convenient and the tactic of contemporaries afraid to blame the king.
Talks regarding the invalidity of the Aragon marriage were raised by the French during the marriage talks between Mary and a French candidate (namely Francis I or his son Henri, who Mary was eventually betrothed to). Wolsey subsequently considered making a French match for the king thus aligning England to France twice over, and by late 1527 thought the king was interested in this too until by then Henry proposed marriage to Anne. Nonetheless talk of another union for the king was considered.
If Anne wouldn't haven't demanded for marriage, the second wife of Heny would have been Princess Renee of Anjou and Anne would have been his mistress like others before her.
That's speculation on your part. We don't know if the second wife of Henry would have been Princess Renee of Anjou. I say that she wouldn't have been, because the Anjou's would have had to split with Rome in order to do that and I don't think that the Catholic French would have risked excommunication.
If plans prospered as Wolsey wanted probably Henry would have married Renee. By the way Renee became a staunch protestant with an active part in promoting the reformed religion.
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Whose whitewashing Mary Tudor? How about the other side, villainizing her without the slightest shred of fairness? Many scholars who are now looking at Mary Tudor's reign are reassessing her minus all of those propagandistic pamphlets that were printed during her reign. In other words, they are judging her impartially and are noting that she wasn't the abject failure or "bloody" tyrant that many believed her to be.
and as an ambitious woman myself, I take offense at you saying ambitious people are evil. Only someone with no ambition to do anything would say that!
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I'm sorry that you misinterpreted what I said. Ambitious people are not evil per se, but unbridled ambition that supersedes all moral considerations such as the ambition that characterized Anne Boleyn is evil.
Well, I don't believe Anne was evil. We'll have to agree to disagree. And yes, I misinterpreted you. I have Asperger's, so I don't pick up on social cues easily.
I think she just played a hard game - that's what advancement and survival at court required. Remember, she was part of a court faction, which was one of many jostling for position. Success was rewarded handsomely, which was why people went to considerable lengths to secure the favours of the monarch.
Unfortunately, failure cost one dearly, which Anne found out soon enough.
Yup. I think that she entered into a gamble -that she would have a son and gain everything or not have a son and risk losing everything-but didn't realize it until the birth of Elizabeth. There was no reason for her to believe that she would share Catharine's tragedy of not being able to give the king a son.
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Your right , while I'm not a fan of hers she did not deserve the death she received. But dare you say that on here with the A B fans, makes you wonder how many would say that if that was their husband and the were katherine. Alot of history is properganda and fiction in shows like the tudors.
no, Anne gave us Elizabeth, and like it or not, without Elizabeth, England wouldn't have been a world power, and Anne also helped with the Reformation. Despite what you think, Katharine was no angelic saint and Anne was no evil monster.
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AnaliaHyrule, yes Anne gave birth to Elizabeth like it or not she and her mother were NO Angels.I know Anne helped with the reformation and never said Anne was a evil monster, or that she deserved to die course she didn't. History IS tainted though alot, England in that time was already an important player in the World before Elizabeth and Katharine suffered the most out of all of Henrys wifes. YOU do not know what I think I never said, Katharine was angelic saint and Anne was a evil monster!.
Anne is one of my role models. She knew how to stand her ground and how to reach her ambitions and life-goals. How do you think she reached so high?
Anne Boleyn and Kathryn Howard suffered the most, because they were executed with a blade coming down on their neck. That hurts much more than getting a divorce. She didn't break up Henry's first marriage. Henry anyways wanted a new wife so he could get his son. Even without Anne there, he would've remarried
It hurts my mind to see this guy poking that historical document with his bare finger, not one time, but several. Gee, put a glove or something, stop touching that paper, for Gods sake.
I think Henry's desire for a male heir was the prime factor in the break from Rome Anne offered this possibility but was not the primary cause. Some historians have argued that the marriage with Katherine was questioned long before Anne came on the scene. I don't think Anne was a poor victim however she did not deserve her fate.
I dunno about that, Anne had a major attitude on her that really gave her a talent for turning friends into enemies... I feel like after a while, Henry would have gotten fed up with her anyway... He had a serious ego, and Anne was...well, she had grapes... >> I feel like she wouldn't have been able to play the submissive little wife anyway.
@Baseballchik82 Exactly. If the boy she had miscarried was born at the right time and if he had been born healthy and lived, her position as queen would have been completley secure.
Thank you so much for uploading this! I'm so in love with tudor and mmedieval history, and I can't watch enough of these programmes!! Anne is definately my favourite Queen...I'm not sure why, but she is immensly interesting
Oh and does anyone else find Starkey's accent slightly funny??
I don't know about his accent, but his speech patterns are a little... >>
He just sounds so severe with everything he says. Like for one of the others wives, he was describing a royal dinner between Henry, Elizabeth, and Mary, and he was SO serious about it. I couldn't help but laugh. ^^
Spelling was not standardised in those days. Even Shakespeare used different spellings to sign HIS OWN name. Boleyn is an English spelling. An archaic way of turning o into oo is by adding "the magic e". It still survives in surnames like Bone, Pole, Coke, Broke, wich are Boone. Pool, Cook and Brook. Bole is bool and yn is een. Put 'em together and you get Booleen. QED. No French needed.
wat does that matter? The swastika is an ancient symbol meaning luck and good fortune in hindu. It also means the sun or the power of fire. Read a book...
It is an incredible City I lived there for 8 months. I took every chance to see what ever there was to see. Henry VIII is buried in St Georges Chapel at Windsor with Queen Jane Seymour, with Charles I. (the King be-header and the King Beheaded) are side by side. kind of Ironic really.
Probably the greatest or maybe the most famous of Consorts of English History. I often wonder way she has not been removed from the Chapel at The Tower of London and placed in the Abby of Webminster near her Daughter Quen Elizabeth the Great.
What would be the point? Throughout her life Elizabeth never publicly mentioned her mother, (with good reason) and prefered to be publicly lauded as the daughter of "Great Harry".
But her acknowledgement and promotion of her Boleyn/Howard relatives say a lot.
point well made. I have seen both tombs, So it was a surprise to me to see the contrast. I used the Greatest in my first comment, I actually do not believe that, but she was by far the most influential, of all Consorts. The effects are felt even to-day. That is where I am actually thinking from, for the movement of the Tomb
Ifluential in the way her marriage produced one of the greates rulers in history. Infulential in the way (perhaps) that England broke from the church...Of course we know it was not Non Catholic at the time, nor was it the Church of England we know now or in the reign of Elizabeth or James I....
I strongly admire Anne Boleyn, however I am aware she was no martyr or a woman people generally liked.
Most of the people (Royal and High Noble) found guilty of High Treason are buried there from that time. Queen Catherine Howard, and Queen Jane R are buried beside Queen Anne, just behind and to the left of the Alter. Another notable one of many is Thomas Moore, close to the same area. It is fascinating to visit the Chapel as all these are very historic people that are there and you know how they died. Side note Queen Anne has been exonerated of the crimes a number a years ago.
lol when i was little i was like ANNIE BOILIN. i watched this when i was little and my mum lost the video. SHe rocks balls. I luv her. She has a ghost too , which is even more awesome.
Because a the time Catherine was 50, had given birth at lease 6 times and Anne was in her early twenties and had never been pregannt, see the diffrence?
I think in terms of looks and features, Genevieve Bujold and Charlotte Rampling were most similar to the real Anne Boleyn.
I disagree with many comments on this thread. Yes, I agree Anne probably had a touch of cunning and ambition and dare I say it, confidence however if you read the historical biographies, it becomes more apparent that it was Henry VIII who instigated the whole affair and pursued her ruthlessly thereafter.
I know I'm going to get massive thumbs down for this, but . . . How does being power-hungry and flirting with a married man make a woman admirable in history's eyes? Because it makes her "powerful"? I just can't bring myself to like Anne. I do feel sorry for her, though.
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Yes, I have no love for either Henry or Anne, and I'd say she got a darned good taste of her own medecine when Jane Seymore arrived on the scene, but I do sympathize with her ending fate, and I admire Elizabeth.
I never got this: If Henry loved Anne Boleyn and would do anything for her, why in the end did he technically kill her? Was it because she couldn't born a son or was it because Henry wanted to marry that one other woman but couldn't until he got arid of her? (Or is it both?)
Angel48rules 2 months ago
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Because she was a political liability,both nationally and internationally. The majority of the English people and most of Europe didn't accept her as queen. King Henry's image had taken a serious hit and there was the fact she hadn't produced a son. I suspect that he was quite pissed with her for those reasons and let's not forget,he already had one wife that fought him tooth and nail. Anne likely would have done the same. A harsher solution had to be found.
NicolaWriter 2 months ago
@NicolaWriter Oh that explains it, thanks :)
Angel48rules 2 months ago
You cannot blame Anne for Henry wanting to divorce his wife because even when he started the divorce proceedings, he was writing to Anne asking her to be his "true loyal mistress and friend." He wanted Anne to warm his bed, not be his wife. It was after her continual refusal that he offered her marriage.
LaBoricua2591 4 months ago 4
you know heres the bottom line the dude was selfish, and well you cant argue with the person who runs everything and is self centered/selfish! He will do what he wants and you have to go along with it!
andriamckee 4 months ago
its amazing you can see her own handwriting that she wrote, with some possible mistakes in there too
iGinaCristina 5 months ago
so let me get this straight: just because anne didnt give birth to a boy they killed her and if thats not right plese someone explain to me
TheScarymoviefan1 10 months ago
I think that as his luck waned, Henry started to panic and wonder what had gone wrong with his life, the same as it had with Katherine. Then he likely got sick of Anne's meddling in affairs of state and her constant nagging about the women in his life, then the dead kids, so he wanted her out. Anne also inadvertantly taught Henry how to be so ruthless that he could in fact go so far as to butcher his second wife and her friends and also delegitimize his both his own daughters.
TheNuharoo 10 months ago
@TheScarymoviefan1 It is true that Henry was tired of this situation but he loved her, a few days before anne's demise, he was still trying to convince Charles V of Spain that she was the Queen. Nevertheless, people who wanted Anne's downfall said that she comitted adultery with a lot of men, even with her own brother george and that she was a witch who used her power to seduce the king and God knew of it, this was why they didn't have a living son and Henry was in love with Jane Seymour.
MarinaMaxwellYuy 9 months ago
@TheScarymoviefan1 That is true, but it's ONLY part of the reason why they killed her. Anne was a reverent reformer and the break from Rome caused many conflicts within England and its foreign affairs. Thomas Cromwell was working in favor of the Roman Catholic Church and Anne was practically in his way because she was a reformation figure and Henry broke with the pope in order to marry her. She was accused of plotting against the king. Adultery and witch craft were used to show her as immoral.
Iusedtobeacat93 4 months ago
Esto provocó una gran ira en Enrique, que estalló en cólera, gritando "¡Perra ingrata!. ¡Después de haberme arrodillado ante ti como un mendigo y de haberte hecho mi reina me deshonras ante todos, mancillando mi hombría!". Esta declaración influyó en la condena por traición y adulterio que recibió Ana Bolena.
PuertoRicoesMIERDA 11 months ago
9 people are going to the scaffold!
AikokoXD 11 months ago
david starkey is the best historian ever!!!!!!!!!!!!
MOIxROCKT 1 year ago
@MOIxROCKT Yes! Let's decide the best academics of all time on YouTube!
CorvidaeHerald 1 year ago
Does anyone know where I can find David Starkey's Edward and Mary: The Unknown Tudors?
arilizk 1 year ago
The fact is many historians believe that Anne was indeed lovely, but not to the standards of the blonde hair, blue eyes and fair skin. she was a dark beauty
CaitlinSk 1 year ago
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Anne Boleyn is a bitch I'm glad she died .
dedrawilliams 1 year ago
@dedrawilliams Wow. That's horribly judgemental. Well, no one's perfect. But I wouldn't wish having their head chopped off on anyone. By sword or by axe.
GwendolynRaine 1 year ago
well its obvious the problem with the son has troubled henry for a long time but with anne, she(in my opinion) encouraged it so the whole thing went completely through...
randomstuff8991 1 year ago
man, anne kicked so much ass. she wasn't going to be shoved aside and used like his other mistresses
PaleLittleGirl1 1 year ago
I Love Anne Boleyn
lebellegitan 1 year ago
I remember Dorothy Tutin playing Anne Boleyn in the movie Anne of A Thousand Days, with Richard Burton as the King. It came out in about 1970. I was about 12 at the time.
She was the best Anne Boleyn in my opinion. She had the eyes the laugh and the coquetry which first enchanted Henry then enraged him
Strefanash 1 year ago
I am an evangelical protestant.
I regard the King's appeal to the passage in leviticus as specious. The context of "you shall not uncover the nakedness of your brother's wife" was speaking, in its context, about who you may not fornicate with. the list is exhaustive, giving details that explodes the king's case. Luther clearly thought this as he did not back the divorce either.
Henry's bible scholarship was dishonest, and had i said so at the time he would have killed me
Strefanash 1 year ago
IMHO, Henry would have sought a divorce from Katherine even if he'd NEVER met Anne. He was desperate for a son and heir to hand down his kingdom to - and Katherine had hit menopause by that time.
It's always easy to blame the woman - "Eve tempted Adam and he fell" - but Henry was a king. He was used to getting his way LONG before Anne said, "No, I'm waiting until my wedding night."
happybkwrm 1 year ago
How is it possible that a man would wait six years to have sex with a someone?
GwendolynRaine 1 year ago
@GwendolynRaine He waited six years to possess Anne, and not only sexually. You can wait if you're convinced that she's the one you have to have, I think.
lindenbrookes 1 year ago
@lindenbrookes That is some SERIOUS desire.
GwendolynRaine 1 year ago
I'm sure that Anne Boleyn was love of Henry's life!!
He did everything for her!
thequeenanne7 1 year ago
@thequeenanne7 I think Jane Seymour was. Anne was like his obsession, for awhile.
GwendolynRaine 1 year ago
henry viii was a sociopath, responsible for the death of 10's of thousands.
even thomas moore who obeyed him always.
thousands killed so he could get a piece of ass..
i dont think he could love as we consider what love is.
he just used people and then discarded them, usually without a head.
he really should have been disposed and reginald pole made king, surprised that didnt happen.
i guess enough people were getting fat off of him to support a revolt.
but he killed almost everyone close to him
meesterperfect 1 year ago 2
@meesterperfect
add to that the people indirectly killed by him in the protestant burnings of his daughter "Bloody" Mary I
blackmumba111 1 year ago 2
test
meesterperfect 1 year ago
"She was not beautiful by the standards of the day.." because she knew how to WORK it!!!! Use what you GOT to get what you WANT! -She was way ahead of her time! Go Anne!
psychsike01 1 year ago 8
@psychsike01
all of them were ugly!
dkieng 1 year ago
@dkieng Maybe by today's nearly impossible standards.
GwendolynRaine 1 year ago
I am reading up on the Tudor Dynasty and have watched many documentaries on this dynasty.. However, I am a little perplexed and frustrated in trying to learn what the R stands for- it was particularly noted in the newer versions of the Elizabeth movies starring Cate Blanchett..
Anybody, who could enlighten me I would greatly appreciate it..
staindmom 1 year ago
It stands for Rex, latin for King.
Toneytc 1 year ago
It stands for Regina which is the female version of Rex which means regent or king
MadameM00 1 year ago
@staindmom as the others pointed out it is Rex or Regina, Even to-day it is on Canadian Coinage.
It comes from the Latin word for King.
regszikora 1 year ago
I think the actress is too old and not pretty enough for the role. The prefect Anne Boleyn is Natalie Dormer
Chenzhenhui 2 years ago 9
@Chenzhenhui
not meant to be offensive, but Natalie Dormer is the perfect actress-wise...Anne Boleyn was very thin and not all that attractve(by today's standards...I imagine she would be closer to the look of Callista Flockhart(sp?) ) She was around thirty when she married Henry.
blackmumba111 2 years ago
She may be around 25 and the early pictures were the one I was talking about
Chenzhenhui 2 years ago
Anne Boleyn was such an amazing woman.
She was smart, beautiful and she had guts. I absolutely love her and it was sad how her husband turned on her in the end but he did really love her so much in the begginning. He turned on all his friends, broke with the catholic church and changed england forever just for her
TheQueenAlexandria 2 years ago 16
Actually, he would have done all that just to rid himself of poor Catherine so he could take another woman to bear him a son. He never really loved any of his wives.
Karenjadegirl 2 years ago
I reckon he did love Anne alot coz he practically killed his best friends, reformed england, risked excommunication and made many enemies and even sent Mary away all for Anne. So I think he did love her until he realized she was not able to bear him a son. He also mourned for Jane Seymour and Katherine Howard
TheQueenAlexandria 2 years ago 10
If you love someone, you don't have them executed on trumped up charges, son or no son. And he would have done all that just to rid himself of Catherine of Aragon and get himself another woman to have a son, Anne or no Anne. And we know Jane was his favorite because she was the most mild mannered and gave him a son, yet he still betrayed her over the Pilgrimage of Grace and he still had Catherine Howard executed. Really, he loved nobody so much as himself.
Karenjadegirl 2 years ago
I know he loved no one but himself but I think at earlier times he loved them I mean look what he did just for Anne!
TheQueenAlexandria 2 years ago 6
No, he did all that for *himself* so he could have the son *he* wanted and look what he did *to* Anne and to all of them. Wanting someone and *loving* them are two completely different things. Love, *real* love, lasts and is not selfish.
Karenjadegirl 2 years ago
hehehe of course he wanted a son so he made himself love anne as he believed she cold provide it for him
TheQueenAlexandria 2 years ago 3
Do you have anything nice to say about Anne?
evaperonfan 2 years ago
Well,actually that's your personal opinion.
It is well known that Henry VIII fell in love with Anne Boleyn.Historians confirms that with documents from the people of that time,letters from Henry VIII among other things.
linegenrou 1 year ago 2
Lust for another woman because she is younger and more fertile isn't love, especially if you order her executed for arguing with you and for no longer being able to have sons, then step over her dead body to marry someone else.
Karenjadegirl 1 year ago
@TheQueenAlexandria When Anne lost to Cromwell's manoeuvers, Henry lost with her. And when Henry lost, Anne went to the scaffold. Politically speaking, the Tudor Court was a bloody game of chess. Love had nothing to do with it. The King and Anne got out moved.
lindenbrookes 1 year ago
I think he loved Catherine of Aragon in the beginning. And Catherine Howard.
evaperonfan 2 years ago
Don't forget Jane Seymour :)
NekoKitty933 1 year ago
OMGSH her dresses are beautiful!
NA60469 2 years ago
you have to remember that anne was not in her twenties when she married and she was not beautiful. Natalie portman is far too emotional in the death scene . She is crying her eyes out when she takes off her b necklace and stuff when in real life she died with courage and dignity like a true queen of england.
lucyluuuxxxx 2 years ago 9
She still died with courage and dignity in The Tudors.......
But she was human, they were about to cut off her head, I'M SURE she was emotional...... It's not like she was sobbing or anything. Natalie Dormer was perfect.
Acinonyxjubatus7 2 years ago
@Acinonyxjubatus7 no i meant natalie portman in the other boleyn girl! coz i would cry my eyes out and everything but natalie portman does it like that when in real life she didn't cry at all. But i loved natalie dormer! i thought they did the execution to perfection
lucyluuuxxxx 2 years ago
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does it matter how she died...? She was the queen that should never have been queen!
Jamestopboy 2 years ago
even though history paints anne boleyn as a stoic at the time of her death, she would have been terrified. natalie portman's performance wasn't horrible, it just wasn't great. she portrayed anne's weak side. but if i was standing there in front of a crowd of thousands, feeling the suspense intensify, hoping the king is going to call off my execution only to find he isn't, i'd be shaking with fear and rage as well. personally i think natalie dormer was the best anne boleyn, hands down.
thebodiescannotveto 2 years ago
anne looks to old here the one who plays anne good is natalie portman in the other boleyn girl
angelosmalos4 2 years ago
Sorry to diagree with you, but UGH, NO WAY, Natalie Portman wasn't very good as Anne at all. All emotional, doing stupid things that she knew might get her killed...I know I'm not the only person who admires the REAL Anne Boleyn, however, which is good.
nattles14 2 years ago 7
natalie portman as anne boleyn really made me mad. She was all wrong for the role. Her acting/or the script was horrid. I dont know whos fault it was but that movie dissapointed me
allissongaffney 2 years ago 5
A lot of people here seem to view Anne as an evil homewrecker :/ But Henry had a number of mistresses when married to Catherine so his relationship with her can't have been all that solid.
I respect Anne for thinking highly of herself rather than just becoming Henry's mistress. She was intelligent and she must have been unique to captivate Henry the way she did, especially as she didn't fit the 'standard' of beauty at the time. I find her fascinating.
friendlyrabbit 2 years ago 16
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I agree, what I remember in history was that "Anne Boleyn" was a plain woman, she had no beauty at all, not like her sister "Mary" but what made Henry actractive to her was her intelligents, and opinons and she was very strong on views, I Love Natalie Dorm but to me she was just way to beautiful as Anne I understand people want to see beautiful people but there is more than just beauty, and The real anne was not beautiful, she was plain and Henry was not that hansome that is what i don't like.
Hattaru 2 years ago
That is so unfair, all that Henry did to her just because she didn't have a son and instead she had Elizabeth. That can't be controlled, he was such an arse! She was a great, strong willed woman, but the men always rulling didn't want such a powerful oponent. Go Anne
salemwolves 2 years ago 15
Anne Boleyn is perhaps the most misunderstood woman of the Middle Ages.
I really respect her and think that she was amazing!
Go Anne!
stokrotka1011 2 years ago 11
I love Anne Boleyn. She's my fav!
David Starkey is great!
anneandkatherine22 2 years ago 40
they do not know forsure that anne bolyn
was 32 cause they dont know what year she was born
halyie 2 years ago
I do recall Mary's many betrothals, I, also, recall that Henry had a six year relationship with Anne prior to his divorce from Catherine. At some point within that period, Henry/Anne's self-serving trumped up charges that questioned the Aragon marriage no doubt reached the French court. What king would want to ally himself to a squabbling royal family where the royal marriage is being questioned by the sovereign himself? I'm not surprised that Francis I hesitated.
Rayarena 2 years ago
Again you miss out the fact that questions regarding the invalidity of the marriage predated Henrys decision to marry Anne; indeed such questions from outsiders - namely the French - may have triggered Henrys own outlook on his first marriage. And François on several occasions was very happy to press for alliances with England, particularly as he loathed Charles V.
littlemisssunnydale 2 years ago
Anything we disagree on now will be pure conjecture. We'll never know if Henry would not have divorced if not for Anne. My belief is he would not have. I believe Anne was the right combination of intelligence, ruthlessness, ambition & enormous sex appeal. This drove Henry over the edge. A woman like Anne comes once in a millineum. Just look at his other wives, not one would have been capable of pulling off the same coup. Anne was a VAMP in every sense of the word, a 16th century Cleopatra.
Rayarena 2 years ago
Hmmm, so now you note that we can't determine whether Henry would have divorced or not before meeting Anne thus you recognise that there is a possibility it had not to do with Anne. Which as a result questions the whole idea that Anne was a 'ruthless' woman getting the king to marry her. Furthermore to deem that a man like Henry, who displayed signs of ruthless even in his early years of rule, was triggered by Anne in some way is not only to ignore his previous actions but to deny him of agency.
littlemisssunnydale 2 years ago
Cleopatra did a lot of good for Egypt. Study her history and you'll learn that she wasn't just the seductress people have made her out to be. Same with Anne.
AnaliaHyrule 2 years ago 4
Yes, I know that Cleopatra did a lot of good for Egypt. She was a brilliant woman who spoke-- I believe-- at least 7 languages, she was a great diplomat and she fought to keep Egypt free from Rome. My comparison between Cleopatra and Anne was limited to their enormous power of persuasion and seduction. In this they were very similar.
Rayarena 2 years ago
It's amazing to have such enormous power of persuasion!!!
YeOldeTune 2 years ago
@AnaliaHyrule Cleo and Anne were the same spirit. Any wonder?
lindenbrookes 1 year ago
Well, plans to get an anullment for the King had already started when Anne came into scene. Wolsey wanted to do a french alliance so Renee was in his mind all the time. But Anne and maiinly Uncle Norfolk knew how to use Anne against his bitter enemy: Cardinal Wolsey.
YeOldeTune 2 years ago 3
@Rayarena Cleopatra was a better woman than Anne. She got the throne through rightful succession, and not through unjustly murdering anyone. Also, she DID seduce men, but for different reasons. Cleopatra did it because she loved Egypt, Anne did it only for herself.
evaperonfan 1 year ago
@evaperonfan You are absolutely right. There is no comparison between Cleopatra and Anne. Cleopatra was fighting for Egypt, Anne was in it for herself and if England was torn asunder as a consequence, well so be it!
Rayarena 1 year ago
@Rayarena yes. Anne may have done some good for England in helping bring the Reformation, but the Reformation hurt people too. The only good thing Anne did was Elizabeth.
evaperonfan 1 year ago
@evaperonfan I agree with you, Elizabeth as the one good thing that came from Anne.
Rayarena 1 year ago
@evaperonfan And what about the maundy she increased, and the shillings and sheets and shirts made for the poor? Hm?
lindenbrookes 1 year ago
@evaperonfan She assassinated her sister Arsinoe!
lindenbrookes 1 year ago
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Anne was a horrible woman. Not only did she destroy a marriage, she, also, destroyed Mary's childhood & damaged her relationship with her once beloved father. Because of Anne's treachery [she was after all Catherine's lady-in-waiting & owed her loyalty] the Queen was dragged through the mud in a sleazy court case where her virginity prior to her marriage to Henry was questioned. What's more, Mary was branded a bastard. Now-a-day's this is nothing, but in the 16th century it was monstrous.
Rayarena 2 years ago
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Yes You are right, it's very sad!.
100percentbabeLOL 2 years ago
it depends however way you look at it if anne was a horrible woman because none of us were there at that time and we don't know what it was like and everyone sees anne differently as either a woman with great ambition or a whoring witch.
13Dragonmaster13 2 years ago
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I don't think that it depends on the way that one see its. Great ambition is not separate from evildoing. Often it is precisely those who are the most ambitious who do the most evil, simply put, they put their ambition before the well-being of others. Such was the case of Anne Boleyn.
If the tender, innocent, young Princess Mary and her mother, the beloved Queen Catherine, were collateral damage, so be it! Anne would get that crown even if it meant splitting the country in half!
Rayarena 2 years ago
well Im just saying they may be more to anne than we see.
13Dragonmaster13 2 years ago 2
I think to deem that Anne's ambition had a large factor in the fates of Katherine of Aragon or Mary is to overlook a significant individual in this - Henry VIII. It was he who repudiated his first marriage - and was drifting from Katherine before Anne was on the scene - and it was he who repudiated his daughter, made her agree to his terms and, most telling of all, once declared that he loved himself more than her did her. Henrys agency in all this is striking. Yet Anne is a easy scapegoat
littlemisssunnydale 2 years ago
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No doubt Henry was a despotic, self-absorbed man incapable of truly loving anybody, but he would have never gone as far as he did without Anne's manipulation and cajoling. Understanding what made him tick, she pushed him to desperation and if that meant throwing the bodies of Queen Catherine and the young, impressionable Princess Mary under the horse and carriage, so be it by God, she wanted that crown!
I'm not scapegoating Anne, I'm simply calling a spade a spade.
Rayarena 2 years ago
This is a highly simplistic view of the events that took place and again ignores the fact that Henry alone was quite capable of cruelty - he even became worse to Mary following Anne's death. Your comments also appear to be far too reliant on Chapuys's account which accused Anne of being behind Mary and Katherines conditions (unsuprising for a man who was viciously opposed to her). And you seem to ignore that the ambitions of *all* involved - including Anne and Katherine - helped shape events.
littlemisssunnydale 2 years ago
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I agree, Henry was quite capable of cruelty without Anne's manipulation. All that I'm saying is that Anne was the catalyst. The probability is that if Anne wouldn't have demanded marriage from Henry, he would have simply taken her on as a mistress & stayed married to Catherine, but she was clever, manipulative & ruthless. Henry was TNT waiting to explode & Anne skillfully tugged at all of the right strings. I think that history bears me right. That's not just Chapuy's version.
Rayarena 2 years ago
I don't think we can state that it was a 'probability that Henry would have remained married to Katherine had Anne not come along - considering we have evidence that investigation, namely for a French match, was around prior to Henry's decision to marry Anne. Furthermore Henry's cruelty predates Anne's arrival; lets not forget what he did to Empson and Dudley at the beginning of his reign. Blaming others for his cruelty is convenient and the tactic of contemporaries afraid to blame the king.
littlemisssunnydale 2 years ago
I don't know about this "evidence" for a French match, perhaps you care to tell us more about it?
Rayarena 2 years ago
Talks regarding the invalidity of the Aragon marriage were raised by the French during the marriage talks between Mary and a French candidate (namely Francis I or his son Henri, who Mary was eventually betrothed to). Wolsey subsequently considered making a French match for the king thus aligning England to France twice over, and by late 1527 thought the king was interested in this too until by then Henry proposed marriage to Anne. Nonetheless talk of another union for the king was considered.
littlemisssunnydale 2 years ago
If Anne wouldn't haven't demanded for marriage, the second wife of Heny would have been Princess Renee of Anjou and Anne would have been his mistress like others before her.
YeOldeTune 2 years ago 4
That's speculation on your part. We don't know if the second wife of Henry would have been Princess Renee of Anjou. I say that she wouldn't have been, because the Anjou's would have had to split with Rome in order to do that and I don't think that the Catholic French would have risked excommunication.
Rayarena 2 years ago
If plans prospered as Wolsey wanted probably Henry would have married Renee. By the way Renee became a staunch protestant with an active part in promoting the reformed religion.
YeOldeTune 2 years ago
@YeOldeTune Anne would not have been his mistress. She would have been someone else's wife. Integrity and self'-possession defined Anne.
lindenbrookes 1 year ago
I agree to a large extent.
InnateNobility 2 years ago
Mary Tudor was not innocent! I hate her fans whitewashing her!
AnaliaHyrule 2 years ago 6
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Whose whitewashing Mary Tudor? How about the other side, villainizing her without the slightest shred of fairness? Many scholars who are now looking at Mary Tudor's reign are reassessing her minus all of those propagandistic pamphlets that were printed during her reign. In other words, they are judging her impartially and are noting that she wasn't the abject failure or "bloody" tyrant that many believed her to be.
Rayarena 2 years ago
and as an ambitious woman myself, I take offense at you saying ambitious people are evil. Only someone with no ambition to do anything would say that!
AnaliaHyrule 2 years ago 2
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I'm sorry that you misinterpreted what I said. Ambitious people are not evil per se, but unbridled ambition that supersedes all moral considerations such as the ambition that characterized Anne Boleyn is evil.
Rayarena 2 years ago
Well, I don't believe Anne was evil. We'll have to agree to disagree. And yes, I misinterpreted you. I have Asperger's, so I don't pick up on social cues easily.
AnaliaHyrule 2 years ago 10
I think she just played a hard game - that's what advancement and survival at court required. Remember, she was part of a court faction, which was one of many jostling for position. Success was rewarded handsomely, which was why people went to considerable lengths to secure the favours of the monarch.
Unfortunately, failure cost one dearly, which Anne found out soon enough.
lamenzies 2 years ago
Yup. I think that she entered into a gamble -that she would have a son and gain everything or not have a son and risk losing everything-but didn't realize it until the birth of Elizabeth. There was no reason for her to believe that she would share Catharine's tragedy of not being able to give the king a son.
Caerdrys 2 years ago 4
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I have to do a project on her. I don't really like her. She's a bit evil, breaking up Henry VIII's first marriages.
selena135 2 years ago
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Your right , while I'm not a fan of hers she did not deserve the death she received. But dare you say that on here with the A B fans, makes you wonder how many would say that if that was their husband and the were katherine. Alot of history is properganda and fiction in shows like the tudors.
100percentbabeLOL 2 years ago
no, Anne gave us Elizabeth, and like it or not, without Elizabeth, England wouldn't have been a world power, and Anne also helped with the Reformation. Despite what you think, Katharine was no angelic saint and Anne was no evil monster.
AnaliaHyrule 2 years ago 12
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AnaliaHyrule, yes Anne gave birth to Elizabeth like it or not she and her mother were NO Angels.I know Anne helped with the reformation and never said Anne was a evil monster, or that she deserved to die course she didn't. History IS tainted though alot, England in that time was already an important player in the World before Elizabeth and Katharine suffered the most out of all of Henrys wifes. YOU do not know what I think I never said, Katharine was angelic saint and Anne was a evil monster!.
100percentbabeLOL 2 years ago
Anne is one of my role models. She knew how to stand her ground and how to reach her ambitions and life-goals. How do you think she reached so high?
Anne Boleyn and Kathryn Howard suffered the most, because they were executed with a blade coming down on their neck. That hurts much more than getting a divorce. She didn't break up Henry's first marriage. Henry anyways wanted a new wife so he could get his son. Even without Anne there, he would've remarried
ilovepurplebanana 2 years ago 9
That is a beautiful pink rose.
MargeSimpson20 2 years ago 6
i love anne, she's so cool :)
RoyaRox1128 2 years ago 10
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i hate this because i have a friend who is doing her and not doing ashley tisdale
if you think ashley tisdale is better copy and paste
mandiandboo6821 2 years ago
I love Elizabeth I more :)
ANIRRA1 2 years ago
this is soo good. Starkey is my favorite tudor historian and Anne is no doubt my favorite Queen! this is great!!
easytiger12344 2 years ago 7
It hurts my mind to see this guy poking that historical document with his bare finger, not one time, but several. Gee, put a glove or something, stop touching that paper, for Gods sake.
fnivai79 2 years ago 11
XD
nice point!
seikastar 2 years ago 2
If you look at the page Mr Starkey keeps prodding,it could well be a photo copy !
If not,then all handlers should wear white cotton gloves,I know how you feel on this matter, it gets to me too.
bucks8789 2 years ago
I agree. that's like poking the original US constituion. So fragile, BUT if its a replica, then bare hands are ok!
:-D
DuttyGyal718 2 years ago 2
jajajai know..who ever game him permission to touch something so valuable
aleluzmi 2 years ago
I think Henry's desire for a male heir was the prime factor in the break from Rome Anne offered this possibility but was not the primary cause. Some historians have argued that the marriage with Katherine was questioned long before Anne came on the scene. I don't think Anne was a poor victim however she did not deserve her fate.
12from12 2 years ago 3
Anne Boleyn was his favourite wife in the beggining. If Elizabeth had been a boy he would have stayed with her.
britneystars2 2 years ago 3
I dunno about that, Anne had a major attitude on her that really gave her a talent for turning friends into enemies... I feel like after a while, Henry would have gotten fed up with her anyway... He had a serious ego, and Anne was...well, she had grapes... >> I feel like she wouldn't have been able to play the submissive little wife anyway.
seikastar 2 years ago 3
If Anne had a son, she'd be untouchable
Baseballchik82 2 years ago 79
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um... let's not think about that or you'll doom us all
Jamestopboy 2 years ago
@Baseballchik82 Exactly. If the boy she had miscarried was born at the right time and if he had been born healthy and lived, her position as queen would have been completley secure.
scorpianofthesun 1 year ago
Thank you so much for uploading this! I'm so in love with tudor and mmedieval history, and I can't watch enough of these programmes!! Anne is definately my favourite Queen...I'm not sure why, but she is immensly interesting
Oh and does anyone else find Starkey's accent slightly funny??
xxsugaplumfairyxx 2 years ago
I don't know about his accent, but his speech patterns are a little... >>
He just sounds so severe with everything he says. Like for one of the others wives, he was describing a royal dinner between Henry, Elizabeth, and Mary, and he was SO serious about it. I couldn't help but laugh. ^^
seikastar 2 years ago
Boleyn was originally Bullen but her father changed it to the more french sounding Boleyn.
It has been pronounced as:
Bow-Lin
Buh-Lin - I say it this way
Bullen
Bolina
Bollen
Bulan
MaccaLovesDivas 2 years ago
Spelling was not standardised in those days. Even Shakespeare used different spellings to sign HIS OWN name. Boleyn is an English spelling. An archaic way of turning o into oo is by adding "the magic e". It still survives in surnames like Bone, Pole, Coke, Broke, wich are Boone. Pool, Cook and Brook. Bole is bool and yn is een. Put 'em together and you get Booleen. QED. No French needed.
treebucket3 2 years ago
I've just remembered something. I once came across a man whose surname was Poleyn. I asked him if it was pronounced "pullen", and he said: "yes."
treebucket3 2 years ago
Starkey is supposed to be an historian. Why does he pronounce Boleyn "bow-lynne." It's pronounced Bullen or Booleen.
treebucket3 2 years ago
It is actually very common among historians to pronounce Boleyn as "Bow-lynne"
scarletttardis 2 years ago
You are quite right: it is very common.
treebucket3 2 years ago
David starkey has a swastika tattooed onto his head under his hair
scottishnationalist 2 years ago
wat does that matter? The swastika is an ancient symbol meaning luck and good fortune in hindu. It also means the sun or the power of fire. Read a book...
blackmumba111 2 years ago 2
It is an incredible City I lived there for 8 months. I took every chance to see what ever there was to see. Henry VIII is buried in St Georges Chapel at Windsor with Queen Jane Seymour, with Charles I. (the King be-header and the King Beheaded) are side by side. kind of Ironic really.
regszikora 2 years ago
Sure she was
YeOldeTune 2 years ago
Probably the greatest or maybe the most famous of Consorts of English History. I often wonder way she has not been removed from the Chapel at The Tower of London and placed in the Abby of Webminster near her Daughter Quen Elizabeth the Great.
regszikora 3 years ago 7
What would be the point? Throughout her life Elizabeth never publicly mentioned her mother, (with good reason) and prefered to be publicly lauded as the daughter of "Great Harry".
But her acknowledgement and promotion of her Boleyn/Howard relatives say a lot.
RealityCalling 3 years ago
point well made. I have seen both tombs, So it was a surprise to me to see the contrast. I used the Greatest in my first comment, I actually do not believe that, but she was by far the most influential, of all Consorts. The effects are felt even to-day. That is where I am actually thinking from, for the movement of the Tomb
regszikora 3 years ago
Ifluential in the way her marriage produced one of the greates rulers in history. Infulential in the way (perhaps) that England broke from the church...Of course we know it was not Non Catholic at the time, nor was it the Church of England we know now or in the reign of Elizabeth or James I....
I strongly admire Anne Boleyn, however I am aware she was no martyr or a woman people generally liked.
RealityCalling 3 years ago 2
Elizabeth used a ring with her portrait and her mother's.
YeOldeTune 2 years ago 3
Elizabeth had scads of jewelry. What of it?
RealityCalling 2 years ago
She had to have mentioned her mother to have had the ring made ;)
AndromedaMariaCarmen 2 years ago 2
You are splitting hairs, and for what?
Facts are facts.
Just because its royalty, doesnt make it as simplistic like a Disney fairy tale.
RealityCalling 2 years ago
Im guessing cuz there were alot ofbones/remains there. I know anne wasnt the only female buried there.
I wonder.
I do believe when Elizabeth took the throne he was doing 360s in his graves. Especially for such a long time. 45 years.
O.o
DuttyGyal718 2 years ago
Most of the people (Royal and High Noble) found guilty of High Treason are buried there from that time. Queen Catherine Howard, and Queen Jane R are buried beside Queen Anne, just behind and to the left of the Alter. Another notable one of many is Thomas Moore, close to the same area. It is fascinating to visit the Chapel as all these are very historic people that are there and you know how they died. Side note Queen Anne has been exonerated of the crimes a number a years ago.
regszikora 2 years ago
Well, Katy Howard is with her cuzzo anne. I still says dammit Henry!!!!
:-P
I always wanted to go to London for a trip.
:D
DuttyGyal718 2 years ago
You have to love Starkey. One of my fav. historians indeed. Long live our British Monarchy...
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!!!
324wilson 3 years ago 4
oh wow they make anne look like such a bitch. poor catherine
fleurgi 3 years ago
lol when i was little i was like ANNIE BOILIN. i watched this when i was little and my mum lost the video. SHe rocks balls. I luv her. She has a ghost too , which is even more awesome.
KichigaiProductions 3 years ago 4
People may hate her but you have to like Anne Boleyn to an extent. The intelligence, ambition, skill and courage is just admirable.
My favourite consort
wickitjen 3 years ago 6
My favourite consort as well.
YeOldeTune 2 years ago 5
their dresses are so beautiful!
hahaha2531 3 years ago
David Starkey is an expert on the Tudors. Pity he doesn't know how to pronounce Tudor or Boleyn.
chefsupreme64 3 years ago
David Starky is the only person who makes history on tv interesting
PlavOciZena 3 years ago 5
yea!!!
:)
DuttyGyal718 3 years ago
If Anne Boleyn was not pretty back in the day, why did they choose an actress that was prettier than the girl playing Catherine of Aragon???
bhilsask 3 years ago
Because a the time Catherine was 50, had given birth at lease 6 times and Anne was in her early twenties and had never been pregannt, see the diffrence?
iamsmoochums 3 years ago 3
true... thanks for pointing that out
bhilsask 3 years ago
I think in terms of looks and features, Genevieve Bujold and Charlotte Rampling were most similar to the real Anne Boleyn.
I disagree with many comments on this thread. Yes, I agree Anne probably had a touch of cunning and ambition and dare I say it, confidence however if you read the historical biographies, it becomes more apparent that it was Henry VIII who instigated the whole affair and pursued her ruthlessly thereafter.
FallenAngel2021 3 years ago 6
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The only thing I could give Anne thumbs up for is that she refused to be his mistress and only would sleep with him as his wife, good and proper.
Concetta20 3 years ago
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I don't know if she was being good and proper...I think she knew what she was doing by teasing the king.
neekorocks 3 years ago
I know I'm going to get massive thumbs down for this, but . . . How does being power-hungry and flirting with a married man make a woman admirable in history's eyes? Because it makes her "powerful"? I just can't bring myself to like Anne. I do feel sorry for her, though.
Concetta20 3 years ago 2
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Yes, I have no love for either Henry or Anne, and I'd say she got a darned good taste of her own medecine when Jane Seymore arrived on the scene, but I do sympathize with her ending fate, and I admire Elizabeth.
Karenjade 3 years ago
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